 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump, do not fast-forward if you listen to the end of this intro We're gonna give you a Black Friday deal. It's pretty freaking awesome. So for the first 45 minutes Adam, Justin, and myself have some fun Conversation first we talk about Black Friday, which again if you tune into the end you'll hear our Black Friday deal We talk about windbreakers. These are jackets that really don't warm me up for shit. It's a trash bag I'm glad they're back in style. We talk about Justin's Instagram Milestone I am killing it. 10k. He's crushing it. Thank you audience Somebody likes you it only takes a hot girl a week to get as many followers as he's got then we talk about cake farts and Early internet virality. We talk about mosh pits pig piles and high school fight shenanigans pig piles. 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Hey Watch out man Everybody's trampling each other into best buy and shit tomorrow on friday Damn it, you know what I hate about the holiday season is that is that slowing down yet though I mean is that like getting better because of the cyber? I don't know. I don't know is it People go to them go to the mall shit go to the mall right now and try not to pull your hair out Yeah, so you guys do you guys still go out? So we I mean this the last couple years could we're buying each other presents by the way No, good. We're men. I don't think we should and don't buy other men. You know what Doug already bought stuff for us I could tell oh my god It's called drive market. Yeah. Yeah, we look forward to that for sure the pressure to get each other get you guys don't have to buy me anything I already told you guys what's up, dude. I just I want toilet paper if you get me anything You know the rules. Yeah, you know the rules. Let's go to cost. What do you buy an asshole? It makes sense you guys bro you you matched really well right now. Thank you. You look like um My mom dressed me it looks like my track coach or something my mom made my clothes out today You look like 1989 is in style dude the windbreaker's back man. It's super. Did it really break wind though? Does it I mean it's It's kind of like it flows with it. I don't mean in the farting sense ruffles Literally when I was a kid, I'll never forget this For christmas one year my aunt got me a windbreaker and she told me like oh, this is I'm like, oh, it's cool It's a jacket. She's like no, this is a windbreaker. So I'm like in my mind as a kid I'm like whoa this fucking breaks the wind when you walk it breaks Yeah, I'm like I could I could wear this in cold weather and I'm not gonna feel shit because it's gonna break it Those are lies. It's no there's no warmth. It does zero. It's almost it's almost like nothing. It's like thin Sheet over you We're in a plastic. What's it for like a garbage bag? It's like a garbage bag with arms It's like a parachute turned into a jacket You know what what's cool about them is that you can that you can wear them when it's warm still It's not like Inbetweener it is an inbetweener. There you go. That's about it. It's an inbetweener. It's like a liner of an actual jacket, bro Yeah, nice tweener. We're in the rock of the tweener and when you walk it makes them I was so excited when I saw the style come back. I took a turn. I'm like, I love windbreakers Dude, I used to wear windbreakers all the time. Oh all the time. I love the starter jackets It's like they were like a thin one, you know, just like that with the windbreaker. Yeah, those those are rad Do you guys remember the starter parkas? Of course. Oh, dude, so what are you talking to? Okay, sorry. Yeah, we all grew up together. Which one did you guys have cowboys? I had UCLA What yeah cowboys UCLA at Niners Of course you did. Yeah, you know what I had one of those later on. Did you guys do this though? I want to see how cool you guys were because I'm pretty cool. I went to the Yes, you are and I'm glad you had to profess that. Yeah, I uh, I got the beads that went on the Oh god, I remember a lot of people used to do the Remember the beads on the drawstring because remember I had one of those little square or like round You could pinch it and you could roll it off and then people would put so you got like custom beads You would do the colors you would take your sister You would take your sister's beads that she that she did because she used to make those bracelets And you would put it you would put it on top of that and then you would it would accessorize Yeah, you would tell it bro. I I why do we have king? Why did Bring a kick in what what is this? Yeah, I did it I did it pulled all the way out. I I want to read it. What is it? So we video this oh, dude. What did it say? It says congratulations 10 k to the Brad Pitt of podcasting You're truly my pump Justin. Oh my god. Oh, I did it You didn't think the dad would forget you hitting 10 k on instagram and not get you a fucking cake. Did you I fucking love you guys? So because you got 10,000 followers on instagram, you know what that's a good job You know, it was like a journey and I was really riding a lot of coattails. I'd say I was drafting Yeah, you know what I mean? Like I was like really drafting you guys and I finally like it took me to the finish line. What's the what flavor is that? That's chocolate. Just stick my face in it. Like what's damn it I think we should get you a fork. We should get you a fork. I definitely want to buy Well, oh wait before we destroy make sure Taylor gets a photo of it. You're so funny. You actually got me that Fuck. Yes. I did. Yes. Yes. I did now. You have to eat the whole thing though Fuck you really thing everything throw up truth though I was I was having such a hard time timing it because you were like 10 k then you dropped down to 9,000 And I was like god, dude, I don't want to show up the cake. It's so finicky. Yeah, I can't be 9,000 something I'm sorry, but I can't like that post, you know, like people bail on right right And then yesterday yesterday you rolled over and then we got Thanksgiving tomorrow and I was like, fuck I can't I wanted to make a I was gonna make a badass custom one with the instagram on it That takes two days that motherfucker was still 50 bucks for that thing man. Wow, what $50 Yeah on a cake we're not even gonna eat probably it's totally a good investment. I don't know how it is I mean, it's like it's a fucking milestone, bro. Nice, bro. You're gonna remember you remember certain birthdays You're gonna remember 10k instagram. I don't know why this whole I don't know why this reminds me of that video You guys want to watch that video cake farts 10k all day You never I fucking arrived You know this the brad pitta podcast Yeah I don't get that, you know, listen doesn't matter if you get it or not. That's what people call me So I just have to like accept it and own it Could you bring me like a plastic fork because I am a chocolate chip I do want to I want to buy to that is it cookies and cream because that's kind of what it looks like It's chocolate chip. It's chocolate. It's chocolate chip. I'm down with that. I'm down with that I'm you know selfishly like I I probably could have went and got a cheaper cake at like safe way and then done that But you're like only you too. Yeah, but I always I'm surprised it isn't red velvet to be honest. Oh, they didn't have nothing like that, man It was too fancy It was hard to make it happen within 24 hours because if you make it like super custom They want like two three days to do it and it's like ridiculous. I'm like, fuck Is it from baskin robbins? Yeah Oh, yeah, baskin robbins isn't is the jam. It is my kids love their cake, uh ice cream cake Yeah, that's it's really good. You guys don't you guys don't remember cake farts. No cake never saw that It's a video So remember back in the day two girls one cup and then all that grossed off your god So then it was like a string of gross videos and there was one called cake farts and it's just chick Sits on cake And then like farts through the through the frosting. Yeah, it's like she like lifts her butt up You see it like rumble and well, she like she like sits on it So she gets all yeah cake on her button that she'll sit up and like and then she'll Are you kidding me? No, I forgot. This guy watches dude the weirdest videos. You are weird I want to know what was in your search to get that Dude, once google you were like, I'm just wondering people have cake farts. No, no, no, no This was during that period of time when for whatever reason There was all these videos that people were talking about and it was circulating And somebody said somebody said to me like, oh, dude, you gotta look up cake farts And so I did you remember the videos that used to videos that used to go viral back then when youtube first started What like the rainbow the double rainbow And oh the two girls one couple wasn't youtube. Oh hell. No Yeah, they never allowed that that was the cake farts cake farts with nothing was youtube There was no there was never no dirty stuff on youtube was this before youtube No, this was uh, this was right around after be honest. How many donkey shows have you seen never? I've never seen a donkey. That's gross. I don't know. That's terrible. Did you see one? I don't know He's like I had one for a birthday Did you go to Mexico and see one? No, no, no, no might have caught a video Oh my god. Is that a real thing in Mexico? Yeah, apparently. I don't know. That's the rumor But I don't know if it's real that's one of those things like, you know, if you like this you might also like this, right? I was like, no, I don't like this What were you looking at before that thought that it thought you like that, right? That's the part I want to know. Thank you. Taylor. So weird Yeah, no, like there's a lot of uh myths that maybe not be true like remember you guys are okay How about this remember when we were kids? And people would say oh if you get that that's that drug in Mexico called Spanish fly And you give it to a girl she gets super horny. Do you guys remember that Spanish fly? I do remember hearing Bill Cosby got ahold of it. No It all went to hell. Jesus No, apparently it was this this The rumor was it was like this drug called Spanish fly and if you give it to a woman She would become incredibly sexually aroused and would just have to have sex with you. Totally false. That is Fake fake I'll try this at least three or four times So did My hey babe take this vitamin C Two hours later. Don't you want to touch me? Yeah. No, it's fake because I looked it up. It's a fake myth It's not I do remember here. That was a long time ago though, too How did things go viral before the internet because things did go viral? It was all word of mouth. You know what I'm saying? Well, no, for example when we were talking about the beads on the parka That wasn't on tv. That was no like right right. We just everybody did and I grew hours Hours apart from each other and everybody did it right or how about this? Here's one that always trips me out Blowing in the nintendo cartridge to get that shit to work better. That's everybody knows that But everybody knows that how do we all learn it dude? I went a step further I took like an eraser and I would like Try and clean it with the eraser and then blow on and sometimes it would work an actual eraser Yeah, yeah, I don't know who told me that somebody's brother told me to do that and I fucking believed it That's like the worst that's like one of the worst things you can do it I think I ruined half of my games. Oh man. Yeah, I remember that cake is really good. Is it good? I'm getting down on this. Yeah, dude. You get yourself eat it before I do the cake farts on it Do not do that careful Enjoy your cake buddy. You deserve it. Justin. I know you deserve it. You work you work real hard for them friends Fuck yeah, I did I'm gonna take you guys to the promised land his 10,000 followers are like fucking hardcore They are hardcore like the most, you know, like I could do anything What percentage of you are gonna ride with me to the end? What percentage of you think are star wars fans? At least 80 percent. Oh, wow. I would say no way does a lot dude like Everything that's like half of what I talk about everybody's just like, oh, yeah You know, do you get a bunch of weird star wars messages from people? I do all the time Like, you know, if there's anything circulate on the internet that has like which is kind of cool Phinellia or anything star wars related like I'm getting tagged. Let's just put it that way, which I'm fine with that They don't ask you like technical questions like hey, what do you think of the theory of the new Those are your people dude. Your people ask you like medical questions. I don't have a real So I have like I have like fringe nerds, you know, like people at dabble You know, like not like actual not like super nerds. Yeah, I get I get questions that are way Out of my scope of knowledge like way out of my scope of knowledge Like my grandfather because you talk with such conviction My grandfather has Alzheimer's and just was diagnosed with lung cancer and what kind of you know, what kind of diet and supplements Do you think you should take and I'm like mass performance You should do mass performance In prime you should prime before every time he wakes up. That's the move Oh my god, dude, what an asshole you would be if you did some shit like that Has he read the intuitive nutrition guide? Don't lie. Don't lie. I get really mad The 23 year old version of you would do some shit like that. No. Yeah, the 20. Yeah, the 20 for something like that. Oh, yeah I maps. Yeah, you would they walk out with $600 a supplement Oh, you got cancer. I'll check this out. Oh, man. All these different multivitamins. No, I know they'll ask me a question And I'll always answer the same way. I always like look, I'm not a doctor But here's something you can read and I'll send him an article or something like that Right. Yeah, but way out of my scope or sometimes even on our q&a somebody asked us in the q&a Like, uh, what were they doing sleep training for their infant and what we thought of of infant sleep training or something? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah What? Yeah, I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know what's going on there Well, you guys have kids. So maybe I was wondering I mean, I saw having kids doesn't make you an expert. I promise you No, no, it doesn't absolutely. No, it doesn't there's a lot. It means you've experienced kids. Yeah It doesn't mean you know shit. Yeah, like I've survived like the first like part of barely. Yeah Yeah, but I feel like I feel like you guys would have some advice Along the lines of like because I think a lot of parents make mistakes with how long they let their kids sleep in their bed I think they make mistakes on picking them up all the time every time they cry I mean, I don't have kids But I know there's like certain rules like that even with my with my boys my two dogs, dude Like you just but those are all generalizations, you know, it's like picking up your kid too much Just like who's to say you shoot or shouldn't do that. Yeah, exactly You know what it's like so you're bonding with them. So it's like, yeah, you can push them off and be like, hey, figure this out So check this out, right? So the old mentality was If your kid doesn't want to sleep or cries or whatever let them cry it out. Yeah, I'll fall asleep. Yeah So that was the old mentality And it makes sense in the in the sense that it works Like if you do it and the kids learn how to solve I mean, I did that now a dick right now I some lady was talking to me about this and she goes And we were talking about evolution and evolution and it's you know, what it means for nutrition and If you eat based on how we evolved, you probably need a healthy diet and all the stuff And she goes, well, what do you think about evolution and how we raise our kids? And I never thought of that and I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, huh? Do you think a tribe Would let a kid scream throughout the middle of the night and attract predators? And I was like, mother fucker No way Never we for sure picked up the kid and coddled them to make them quiet because we don't want the lions to hear Or whatever to hear that there's a freaking little infant or or they did cry and that and then the lions ate the kids that cried all the time and then the other kids learned not to cry Oh my god Did you think about that for a minute if I had so many kids I got a little baby sal screaming crying right next to me and all of a sudden he gets eaten by the line I'm like, I am fucking crying. I'm just gonna lay here a kid will learn I'm a lay here really quietly That's fucked up Hey, honey, you need to have we need to have more kids. You got to feed the lion Yeah, let's let's get back to it. No, but that's an interesting theory though It's well, I mean it's kind of weird right if you think about it. It is an interesting theory I don't know. I don't know what I don't know where I stand. I don't know what my mom did She fucked up on me on a lot of things, but I don't know if she did that did that good or bad I bet you were a big cryer You're probably crying. Yeah, you're fucking big mouth I don't know. I we were pretty independent My uncle tells me stories of like, you know come at my dad works swing shift And so, uh, there'd be times I could be like new my uncle said he'd come over to my house And I would be up feeding my sister in the kitchen Obviously it would be like this giant bowl of cereal or something like that But it'd be like one o'clock in the afternoon My parents would still be asleep and we'd be up and In the kitchen and doing things already. Yeah, like five and under and you're feeding them. Yeah, getting your sister. Yeah, dang So, I mean, I don't I don't know if I made me sad for I just picture this five-year-old, you know getting food for Captain crunch again. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've told you guys this story before I remember getting in trouble one time and I was this is when I'm five And obviously I've like I vaguely remember this um I remember my mom leaving to go to the grocery store and leaving me home And telling me to stay home and my my neighbor friend, you know a kid like three four doors down came Came and said that uh, he just got zelda And and so, you know being a kid It used I just left and went over and played zelda and my mom came back and I was gone Yeah cops called everything like that. It was like, you know screaming crying and I came, you know walking back home like An hour later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you were probably not that bad. Justin was probably a little shit Yeah, just because I feel like you climbed shit and broke things. Oh, yeah from that perspective. Yeah I wasn't a little whiny bitch or anything I was definitely like smashing stuff and breaking things Did you guys have anything that was unique to you when you were a kid like a unique characteristic or something weird or funny Yeah, I remember I could I could remember things like like I could remember baseball card stats And my my mom would use me like a like a party trick So like her we'd have people over and she'd call me out And she'd ask me to like rattle off like sports Sports players and like what their stats were and things and people were just like so amazed by Because I did I had all I collected baseball cards and I used to that's so funny So you're entertaining like everybody when they come over I the same thing with me But on a different end like I would I would like put on a little act like I'd put these big huge glasses on or like a wig or something And I would just like you know act a fool in front of everybody Were you chubby kid? Oh, I mean I ate. No, not that you know, I'm not saying but you had chubby cheeks. Yeah. Yeah I wish you know, I didn't have my kids weren't chubby when they were little They had my jeans so I like chunky kids Were you were you really so I feel like that it was I was super outgoing like there's a There's a photo of me that my mom blew up. I think I've told you guys this before It's me standing on a coffee table just like this one You know posing in you know bicep flexing and posing in on in my underwear I used to argue with everybody and what used to piss people off was I was good at arguing So my aunt my grandma whatever if they were watching me I would make I would make a very compelling argument and they used to get frustrated because This little kid makes sense. You know, I'd still get spanked You know, whatever but I used to and I would point shit out Till this day I cannot stand hypocrisy. What I mean by that is like if you tell me to do something But then you do it It drives me crazy, but I was like that as a kid Dude, I was so much like and and so whenever whenever I'd see an adult makes a lot of sense I'd see exactly I'd seen adult do something I'd be like, hey, I thought you said and I'd point it out to them and then they'd be all fucking Oh, it's so funny. Yeah, like I it's hilarious because if you look back It's totally like it never like changed like so for me. It's the same thing like even going through school I would get so bored and when I would get bored Getting lectured to are like I had this English class We're all reading Shakespeare and everybody was like super bored to tears, you know And like because you would just go, okay, you take this part. You take this part I would always like raise my hand. I want to take a part, you know And so I would I remember taking Mercutio's part and reading it like with a total like like, you know stereotypical gay lisp, did you really yeah And then so I do that everybody's rolling Sends me to the the principal and you know tells my parents a little shit But that that's the only time I'm getting troubles like doing stuff like that I used to love debating board. I used to love debating the teachers I argued a lot too always always would debate the teachers and When I was real young I was kind of weird in a few different ways One of which was I didn't like To walk barefoot anywhere Especially on grass So if the kids were playing and shitting the grass and I'd like my my parents would try and put me down I'd lift my legs so that they wouldn't my feet wouldn't touch And then when they finally put me down I'd cry and then they'd be like no you need it and I'd walk on the grass and then I'd say Tell them in Italian because that was my first language that that there's that I feel needles There's needles in the grass because I don't like the feeling of them touching my feet Weird kid Huh feet super sensitive feet. Yeah, they're way better now because now I walk around barefoot a lot, but Yeah, oh, yeah, dude. You touched my feet man. You're gonna get kicked. Oh, yeah the face. Yeah I have I have that with my nose. I don't like my nose touched I'll fucking someone touched me on my nose. They get all uh freak out really I think it's because I'm my allergy. So my nose is like sensitive I have a sense I have a really sensitive nose and so I don't like it to be touched Get your hands off my face. You ever break your nose Yeah, you broke your nose. Yeah And I I reset it myself. I can idiot. Oh really? It's not cricket. It's pretty straight Is it really? Courtney makes fun of me all the time. She's like you should have gone to the doctor. Yeah, you fucked up Yeah, yeah, I got my nose is broken. I went to a concert and like went crazy and mosh pit Yeah, mosh pit and got you know a loose elbow to the nose and smash Yeah, my nose went like all the way to the side I remember mosh pits, dude. I never did a mosh. I would rage in mosh pits, dude I never did a mosh. You know where I did it actually Quite a few times was over at what we're just the what the catalyst or whatever it is. Oh really? Yeah Yeah, yeah, I used to go down there. I had a roommate. How do you get in a mosh pit? Do you just go in there? Here's the thing the first time this happened my cousin and and this is funny because we used to She used to take me from we would go to church and and she would actually take me We like oh, yeah, we're at church. We go to like a punk concert instead And and she just like threw me into a mosh pit and I was like maybe 15 or something I'm just so scared to do this skinny little twig and like people just fucking passing me around throwing me around and And then I just started like fighting my way out and I was like, oh my god That's such an adrenaline rush. I ran right back in I'm like, ah It's such a weird thing when you think about it. It is that's something women would never do. Oh, no way Such a guy. No, there's girls. There's girls doing it. Yeah, come on super rare. It's such a guy very rare, but yeah Yeah, you still see you still see that's something we would invent like oh dude. I want I can't get rid of this Let's get like temporarily violent. Yeah, I gotta get rid of this angst. What do I do? I know let's fucking punch everybody around us. Yeah, it's weird. You know, it is it is fun It is a little different. Yeah, we used to we used to do that You know, I remember too we used to when we used to be at football games I don't know where this started to where every touchdown you dog pile everybody. Yeah So yeah You watch the game you want to you want to make sure you're the first one to dog pile on somebody else Otherwise, you're the bottom of the dog pile, right? So like I wonder how much of this violent Shit that we do is like just repress sexual energy. You know what I'm saying? Just punch each other fucking wrestle whatever, you know, I mean just to get you know, probably You know, I'm saying probably yeah, because it's all around that time, right? It's around just a lot of energy 17 to 25 window for sure It's like one or the other it's like violence or sex, you know Well, what are we doing here? I've shared with you guys stories before like my my cousin was notorious for this We go anywhere and this was all through high school and even into a little bit of junior college like We went to a house party. It was it was inevitable. I mean, it was for sure If he was not sleeping with a girl if he didn't get a fight where you're fighting It was just guaranteed. It was guaranteed guaranteed. It's the worst So, you know, I don't know what the fuck where does that come from? Yeah? Why does that have to be like why why are you either fucking or fighting? It's it's a it's how it's almost like It's how guys bond early on with each other It's like an acceptable way to bond like, you know, we're having sex with people and now we're buddies or we're in this violent Whatever and then we're cool. There is something around the old Viking jeans or something There is something about that under when I do remember to like You know when you would get in those situations It was kind of this like who's with me and who like who actually was like the friends that were like That got involved and because you always had those friends that were like, we're involved like they just stay out of it And then you had me in the smart ones. Yeah And then you have your then you had your best friends or your most loyal friends who what I guess we're going You know I'm saying and here we go. Yeah, so I think that like as at those those formative years I think you're trying to find your like tribe like who's got my back. You know, yeah Yeah, you just remember it reminded me of a story. It's kind of related, but I was walking home From school one day and a car drives by me And in the car There's three dudes and a girl and I knew the girl I didn't know her very well, but I knew her and she kind of looks over at me and then all of a sudden the car Swings around and I must have been I probably a freshman in high school car swings around And the dudes in the car are seniors and they get out of the car and the dude's like he I don't remember He asked me a question Like, you know, you know, what are you doing? What are you looking at my I don't remember what it was that he said Something like I'm doing something. I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about He's like, I'll throw this fucking drink right in your face and he like splash the soda in my face And it's him in three in his three in his two buddies and I'm the kind of person like If I have to back down at some point in life I'm gonna find you like at some I will never forget and I didn't so he gets back in his car And I'm totally like Okay, one day I'm gonna get this because they're huge. They're huge bank. Yeah. I'll remember you So fast forward. I'm a junior in high school And when I was a junior me and my buddies what we would do is we get boxing gloves and we would box each other Now the difference between salad freshman year and salad junior in high school year is 50 pounds at least like I'm a lot bigger now And a lot more confident in myself So we're doing these boxing tournaments and I'm you know, I'm Typically I was winning, you know the boxing matches And one of the guys there We were at his house and then all of a sudden a car rolls up and he's like, oh, it's my brother It's my older brother and it was that fucking dude That splashed the drink in my in my face. And so I'm like, yes, we're gonna fight Like for sure. We're gonna fight right now. Can you can you go? Can you feel the adrenaline going through like from back to that 100 moments or like I had so huge. Well, the thing is I had lived that moment as a kid I had lived that moment in my mind so so many times like if I ever run into him I'm gonna surprise him by putting him to sleep. I'm gonna surprise him So he's I see him in the car He's getting out. I've already made up my mind like I'm gonna fight this guy So he comes out doesn't recognize me at all doesn't know who I am. So hey, what's up, bro? Everybody. Hey, what's going on? So I'm like, this guy doesn't even know who I am. Yeah, perfect Exactly that that or really deep down. He's a little scared too. I don't know probably like real life thinking about like There's probably like part of him. Well, so here's the thing I know the guy and the guy was a total Thug degenerate like whatever. I don't think he's the kind to like necessarily be I don't know. I don't know you say that but let's be honest, right? Knowing what we know now and being old you're right the people that are like that are the most insecure and scared You're right. You're right. So he's putting up a front. Yes. So I bet you he does recognize so he gets out of the car And everybody's like, oh, this and that and I'm like, hey, dude, you should box too Like why don't we put the gloves on let's have some fun. Let's put the gloves on and box So he's like, no, I don't want everybody's like god. I'm like, so I knew everybody would egg him on So he gets the gloves on I have the gloves on and I'm like, this is great I'm gonna fucking just enjoy this. Are you really excited or you scared? I am I am both Oh, you always get scared when you're gonna, you know, yeah when you're a fight someone But there's that part of me that's like like this is gonna be awesome So he tries to swing and I swing at him once and I barely miss him He sees how hard I swing swing the punch and he throws his gloves off on the ground He goes, I don't want this man. He goes, you can knock me out, bro And he comes and gives me like a high five. He's like, I got to push out and he like walks inside And I and I was actually satisfied by that actually was like, of course. Yeah, he was scared He was see he was scared. Yeah, he was definitely scared Those people are the ones to fuck with people the most. Yeah, you notice that always It's just like dude, what are you always? Yeah, I think I think the the the tougher somebody acts the the bigger of a Wuss they normally have you guys ever had a revenge moment like that where someone did something and then later on Yeah, I one of the one of the biggest five brothers friends. Go ahead one of the biggest fights I got into in high school. I remember This kid and I think I've I don't know if I shared this the story and I know I've shared the paintball story, right? So I share the paintball story. We drove it. We drove around And one of the houses that we shot up was this kid's sister Who it was a group of wrestlers, right? I was a basketball player. They're wrestlers. So there was already in my school Wrestlers didn't like basketball players basketball players didn't like wrestlers and the reason for that was Was we had to share a gym and our seasons were in at the same time And so it's like we when we had the gym and they would always be coming in or out At the before or after our practice and it was always like, you know, get your shit out We need to come in here and practice and of course we'd have our chips on our shoulder Fuck you our practices and over so there was always this like You know rivalry between wrestlers and basketball players and of course wrestlers in high school and basketball players total different personalities too So you have like wrestlers like that at that age You just think they're the shit and like they're the tough guys in school and stuff like that So they're imagine that's the group and that's this kid. So he already we already don't like each other Um, but I'm not that I'm not one to even like dwell on that shit Like I was a popular kid and friendly with everybody. So I'm like, yeah, whatever fuck the wrestlers But I don't you know, whatever But we shot the we did the paintball thing And you know shot a sister in the middle of the night and I was like just in the back of the the suburban I wasn't even somebody who was Shooting the gun. We were with upperclassmen. I was just like along for the ride But it was a perfect opportunity for him to like single me out because you're a basketball player I was there and he has to defend his sister, right? So it was on from that point on the rest of like My that year he was constantly antagonizing me with his friends And they would find me anytime I was by myself and they would roll up three four five deep on me And we got into a couple like little scuffles which turned into basic high school wrestling matches. Nothing really happened And I didn't want to fight like I didn't have an issue and I remember saying like, you know, I got no problems Dude, like I don't have anything to get your sister. I'm gonna get you and you know I'm saying like I don't know what your deal is with me and we'd be at parties all time anytime there was a party All his friends my friends We ended up having to leave or they'd have to leave it was always like this was always going on it went on for a whole year and I remember we were at one of my friends places and Sure as shit We had actually just had kind of like this little scuffle thing that happened in the middle of the day And his friends pulled me off of him and said all the fuck this isn't right We'll do this somewhere else. We'll do this somewhere else And we're at my buddy's house and we're just all there's probably I don't know 10 of us guys girls You know high school drinking party type of deal And um up rolls they're they're all their buddies and they roll up in this jeep and they're all fucking fired up Probably been drinking a little bit and so like that bang on our door and so like that Let's go down and there was a park called ker park And it was like this huge grassy park that was kind of like out in the country Like no cops would be out there and nothing's going on out the top of the middle of nowhere And they're like let's go finish this let's go out to ker park And I remember being like, you know what fuck this dude. I'm so tired of like get it over with Yeah dodging this kid and telling him like no, I don't want to find stuff like that. Let's go and it was crazy because But it takes like 10 minutes to get out there. This was all building up It was our party that was their party. So there was like 100 some people out there This is on video too somebody's got a videotape of it photos of it and everything I thought it was that big of a deal And uh, I got there. I got there first Peeled off. It's so funny too because I remember throwing the shirt off right away. Yeah peeled my shirt off I'm in I'm in a wife beater, you know, I feel tough, right? All 160 all 160 pounds of me and stuff, right? And uh, he rolled up and he's a wrestler So as soon as he came in the circle on this big huge circle, he shot me right away He shot me and went down But when we went down I rolled him over right away and then I just beat the fuck out of him I mean, it wasn't even close It wasn't even close people were counting and chanting the numbers and I was like I mounted him full mounted him and I was just wailing on the back of him. I actually Had to stop because I was so tired. It was so it was like the first real like fight that Where I had whooped someone's ass like this. You weren't breaking it up all quick No, no one was breaking it. No one was breaking up. It was It's on fight and the way the fight actually ended was because at that age, I didn't have enough knockout power You know, I hit a tire. Yeah, I got tired just laid on him laid on him and like hold him and just like Are you done? Yeah, I'm done. We're cool. We're cool. Yeah But that's how the fight even Gatoran. I mean, I but you had all that pent up like all the times you punked you or whatever Man, yeah, yeah. No, it was it was definitely it was definitely a lot of rage in me at that moment For because of all the stuff that had kind of built up And it was great because it was I was the one who was like, dude, I ain't got an issue I don't want to I don't want to that's that's that's when you get the the anger Right and you're the one trying to say no no no and then you snap. Yeah That's a that's a bad situation to be in for the other person Yeah, no, it was pretty bad for him for sure. Yeah, no, I definitely your story kind of brought one up for me with the boxing because We we dabbled in that a little bit and my brother had had some gloves and They were kind of oversized gloves So it wasn't like like it was more for fun like we thought it would be a funny idea to like, you know start kind of having rounds and stuff And he had I don't know if it was his birthday party He just had a bunch of friends over it was his he's two years older than me And he had some of his friends over one of his friends like I never fucking liked like this guy Was just an asshole to me like always and would just like I was like the butt of his jokes, you know for everything Like he would punk me At school because like two years apart like in high school. That's a big difference Yeah, and they're they're seniors or whatever. I'm like, you know, I'm a sophomore And so he would see me on campus throw shit at me and like he was a fucking dick and uh So he was there and uh in my brother like my brother always like He would throw me in the mix because he think he always thought I was really tough and I'm like, no Don't get me into this shit. You know like I was like super scared like these they're bigger than me You know and so I didn't want to do it and he's like no no no do it put the gloves on it's gonna be hilarious and Uh, and so it got to you know, we were just kind of play fighting and um, and then I got to that that guy That guy's like, yeah, let's do this and I'm like, yeah, let's do this Yeah I do this and then all of a sudden like I changed, you know And I was like, all right And so he got a couple shots in and then that's when the switch went off and then I started hitting him And then I got him we have this like basketball court uh at my parents house And I got him against the boards and I remember Fucking just I don't know where all these combos came like like a video game I was like bam bam uppercut bam bam and I kept like hitting him into the into the wall My dad comes out. He's like, hey, what the hell's going on here? And he like broke us up and he had a bloody nose and everything is like wow And he actually like shook my hand afterwards and I was just like yeah, you know that you know the funny part for me It was I so from like so 15 that was like my first real big fight I had little scuffles was a kid because I was definitely a little disturbed kid when after my dad passed So from like seven all the way through junior high I got into a lot of fights I got bullied and picked on when I was in colorado. So I've definitely been in a lot of scuffles And after that big fight, then I got into quite a few fights All the way till about 25 the irony is it wasn't until like 25 Did I did I like fill all the way out like at 25 was when I started pushing beyond 200 It's funny once you feel start to feel really confident You don't want to no and I didn't even really want to back then because I've always always the the tall guy Outgoing personal talking like so I always drew attention to me and not like in like I wasn't trying to get that attention But it was because I would go into places. You're a six foot three guy. You're loud Your target. Yeah, I'm a target every guy wants to size himself up against me So it's like I always seemed to be getting in these fights all the time And I'm like man, this is fucking for a guy who doesn't like the fight doesn't want to fight I was always trying to diffuse and like talk my way out of shit, you know And then when you back me up into the corner, I just would have to you know I also had a lot of loyalty too. So like I was somebody who You know, I because I I didn't have a lot with the family thing I bonded with friends So you could I was the guy you could always count on so I was definitely the first one called Like if it was something going on It's like you knew you knew that if something happened that I for sure would not back out or I'd be somebody You knew you could trust that I'd be right there by your side Yeah, when the irony of all of this is when when I started training with MMA guys That's when I really thought I don't ever want to fight. Yeah, like let's not do this Never because you you don't realize it. I mean you getting fights as a kid and like you said I'm like, you don't really have like the power to really hurt someone you could still don't get me wrong Yeah, people still get hurt can get hurt really bad But a lot of those fights and a lot of fights I got into would be like a bloody lip bloody lip, you know nose Right, right, you know ring someone's bell no big deal go home next day school not a big deal But when I train started training in jujitsu and then we get these MMA guys that would come in and You would train with them and I just realized like oh man, like You could you could really hurt someone and it wasn't even so much Like I felt like I would get hurt because there's always that fear when you fight like I don't want to get hurt It's really the yeah, what if I really hurt somewhere. I know, you know, I mean what if I live with that Yeah, if I do a good job if I fight right and I do a good job and defend myself. Well I still have to deal with like I've hurt somebody really bad and that could throw you and it could put you in a lot of trouble and personally You know, you could feel you could feel terrible about it. Maybe not for the person But the people there, you know that yeah, but even so even somebody who when you think about it Like even all the people that you know I've got you angry or made you even want to get in that situation Yeah, you're not you're not and then also what that could potentially do to you I mean like if you if you're in the middle of your career or you got shit going for you Last thing you want is you you put somebody in a coma or put somebody in the hospital You break something and you get sued like you don't at that point way too many things I think that's where the shift happened. I have a buddy that went that almost went to jail He no record super clean super everything Defended himself So he was the one that got attacked But he broke the other guy's arm because he's a jiu-jitsu guy So he snapped the guy's elbow and almost went to jail Over it because then of course the guy in the court case or whatever pressure. Yeah, like he's a jiu-jitsu guy Like he's a I remember hearing about that and I was like, whoa, it's so not worth it It's so like my ego is not it's fine with just being like Do you remember do you guys remember the last time that you've had a diffuse one? Like as an adult now or the last the last adult fight that you added? I don't I don't It's hard to remember But I don't even get there anymore like if there's a dude that's Yelling at me because he cut me off or whatever my one of my name. I'm always like whatever really. Oh really. Yeah You fought one of your neighbors. No, I didn't like fight. Oh, so you're saying like diffuse it Right. Well either diffuse it or what yours are your very last one. I was asking one of the other You know, I'm just a diffuser just because and he was an older guy. I mean he was like 55 something like that and he just so what sets me off is anything where my I feel like my kids are in danger Oh, yeah So he has this shitty dog that like they always have a muzzle on right and it's a very It postures all the time. So when we walk by it's like and So he would just let it roam free, you know, and it was on my property And like it was like barking directly like in posturing at my kids and my kids ran underneath the stairs And it kept like barking in like it had its muzzle on and everything But I I went over to the guy and I was like, hey get your dog out of here You know, like they it's been posturing it and like going after my kids and all the stuff and he's like It's not on a leash. It's like it's not going after your kids. Calm down. Oh I was like, oh man, I didn't hear motherfucker and I got right in his face and I was just like Dude, like I'm not here to to argue like whether it did or didn't happen. It fucking happened What I'm telling you is if your fucking dog comes back over here I'm gonna kick that piece of shit and kill it dead right in front of you and put on your fucking door And then I just went I went crazy. That's a great way to diffuse Very crazy Oh, I guess it's not a good example I told him I killed his dog Yeah, yeah, and then he's just like and so he got into my face And then I was like, you know what like I don't even remember how it ended, but it was just more like He just kind of walked off and then they they put him away and everything but uh, yeah, that's a bad example What I put together and it was like, um, I don't remember how old I was It was after I know the last guy that I had knocked out in a bar And I remember like just being so that I was starting to get really confident in my strength and who I was almost 24 25 And you know, I realized that like, you know, the calmer I was the more scared everybody was And so once that kind of switch went off for me, I realized like it's actually quite effective It's very effective because that's how I've always been able to diffuse now After 25 and there's been a handful of times where something's happened like that Where guys like you said driving and gets out of his car wants to fight because you cut off or what am I thought? And when you just kind of like calmly get out and walk over what are you gonna do all nonchalant and say like, yeah, you did What's going on man? Yeah, what can I do for you? And you don't and he's why they're screaming raging trying to get in your face And you're just like when you act like that and you have that presence and that confidence It's it's pretty funny because most those people that are doing that Are really insecure are really scared deep down and that's them expressing it by being Loud and angry and like that and when you're the calm cool guy and you're like, I'm not even worried, bro. You ready? Yeah, I got this So angry yeah, you could tell we don't pledge it right They're bringing on the burge We Today's quas being brought to you by chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the chimera link at mind pump media.com and input the discount code Mind pump a check out for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quas The eagle has landed Quiqua All right. Our first question is from bitch can move Ducks is bad words. That's my favorite. What is your favorite holiday indulgent food? Oh, dude Uh, right away. You're you're quick there stuffing Oh, yeah, I'll eat the fuck out of stuffing. I will eat stuffing Oh, you need to come by my house then my mom has like I think the best stuff Well, we'll see because my aunt makes the stuffing that is just it's I'm not even a fan of stuffing It's so good, but it's so that means some good stuffing. Yeah, I do You need to get stuff. Does she cook it in the turkey stuff me? Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's the real way That's the first step one right there right away. So it's like, oh my aunt my mom Oh, she makes great stuffing and then she pulls it out of a fucking box or throws this fucking the other Now the stuffing that get out of here with that whole shit. It's got to go in the turkey's ass Now the stuff you're gonna cram it in there the stuffing that my aunt makes is it's bread based, right? So it's a lot of bread and it's in the turkey and then there's a lot of things And then when I was married my my wife was like my aunt makes the best stuffing You don't even know she makes the best stuffing. So I'm like, I don't think so So we had things giving at their house and it was like a rice dish Like what the fuck this is that stuffing Call it something else. It wasn't bad, but it's not stuffing Is it funny when someone tells you like you have a dish that's like your mom Or somebody in your family's been making you forever and it's like your favorite and someone's like, oh You need to have my mom's you need to have this and they have it It's like totally made so different. It's so it wasn't good at all. This is terrible It wasn't terrible, but stuffing is my absolute favorite But I'll tell you what the foods that you know, you you you need to be careful of indulging In if you're watching anything in particular Are the I would say the sweet dude for sure Yeah, the sweets cause the most damage in my experience and in my client's experience like if I indulge Too much in the sweets and it's always this is what always happens, right? I'll eat the big Thanksgiving dinner. We have our traditional Thanksgiving foods. We have our traditional Italian foods that we have on Thanksgiving because Italians have a very interesting way of doing Thanksgiving So I'll eat all that and I'll be like, oh man. I'm fucking full like I can't breathe anymore And then the desserts come out, right if I don't have any desserts I'm usually okay. If I start to eat them then it goes beyond the point of full return Yeah, it's like I'm gonna eat more of these cookies. I'm gonna eat more of this pie I'm gonna keep going until I feel terrible about myself. Yeah, and that's that's what ends up happening What's your holiday food to sleep and cry give you what's your holiday food? Um as far as like a treat Like your favorite indulgent. I think apple pie That's that's bomb. Do you have someone that makes a homemade or what? Yeah, I see and I'll be honest dude. My wife can cook dude She she came up with this recipe that um used the the iron skillet And and like however it works out. It's got this like kind of caramel With it, but like she bakes it and Man that is the best fucking apple pie I've ever had and it's one of those things. I'll make sure like I'm gonna go In that direction. I'm gonna skip everything else. You know, that's my thing. That's my jam Does it have a nice crust because it's yeah, it's like all that like, you know I don't know square pattern kind of crust thing on the top and that ice cream Now adam you're bringing dessert to yours. I heard you on the phone with your mom I am but I don't know what we're bringing and when we bring dessert to our family events It's always like a healthy version of whatever. Yes strawberries. Well, we know not like that and it's not I shouldn't say that It's not healthy, right? Yeah, what we are gonna do is we're gonna bring the the organifi peanut butter cookies That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, so we're that same ones that you made for us It's not like healthy. So, you know, I'm not saying that they're but they're a much better like option If you're gonna have four or five cookies, you're better off having these organifi cookies And you are having the cookies that my mom makes or whatever that that are just loaded full of sugar and calories So are those the same ones you gave that Justin ate all? Oh, yeah Dude, I love those things. No, I took some I took some of them home because you guys were gonna eat all I brought I must have brought 30 and you guys were crushing a lot of them This cake is yeah, yeah, so we will bring that as a dish and those are really good And I you know, it's great about that and what I noticed different and I don't know if you guys notice this You know when you when you start to get used to not eating sweets like even this cake right here in front of us, right? So we've all picked at Justin's ice cream cake and I'm already my stomach is already upset Just from the you know four or five bites that I've had right here And it's because it's so like Baskin Robbins is so sweet And I now like things that are much lighter like it's got just a little bit too much. It's like overkill It's changed your oh my gut is completely different not just your gut, but your palette. Yeah, totally, right? Yeah, no no no for sure. I right away. It's like whoa overpowering sweet and the same thing goes for any of these treats I could train and I we've been we've been making like if we are going to have anything It's we try and make a healthier version of it and which normally means it's a lot less sugar in it There's more natural things inside of it. So I now if I crave a dessert a treat Like I'll have a cocoa whip with yeah fruit and berries like those type of things angel food cake or whatever for me Like with like uh fruit is like my jam like I can't handle Yeah, but it took a long time. I think to to retrain that because for years I'll be honest. I'll be the other I was the other person I mean I've been it on the show before that I you know ice cream every night for fucking probably 15 years Of my life maybe more and so You know it took a long time for me to kind of wing that out and I think a lot of people They don't they get they get attached to certain foods for whatever reason and they're like they don't want to let go of it And it's like you know if you if you spend a little time you discipline yourself of eliminating that and then when you when you start to have You get those cravings months or years later again And you replace it with like a healthier version of it. You'll be surprised you'll start to crave that instead So now we have to we have to understand that uh taste is a perception Just like any other perception that you have so what your body's perceiving something Just like you perceive heat or cold or you perceive, you know emotion and all these different things. So That perception Is not uh the same all the time. It's not the stable you can change your perception. You can change your perception context matters Food manufacturers know this and they know that if they color something the right color Or if you eat it in the right environment with the right lighting Or if it's got the right texture or whatever that you will perceive it to taste better Well, you can hack this for yourself as well And one of the things you can do is what adam's talking about If you avoid overly sweet foods Your you will perceive foods that are less sweet as more sweet and over time you'll find yourself perceiving fruit as being as sweet as the way you used to perceive cake And what you'll find if you go the opposite direction and you eat lots of sweets Is that you'll perceive things that are naturally sweet as being bland? And now you're craving like like even now tasting this cake For sure. I'm gonna crave something sweet later on and if I push it and I keep doing this for two three days In a row right like we tend to do over the holidays. Yeah, I tell you what It's not the patterns. It's not the holiday days that screw people up It's the days after because I guarantee people's eating habits are way worse for a good Week or triggers. Yeah this response again. Oh my god. I want that again. That's right. Absolutely. It's the left It's the day two day three day four. It's the weekend, you know It's that weekend going but which by the way to leftovers a lot of people too are sedentary You know, you lay around you're with family. You're playing board games. You're watching football You know and and then it's real easy just to keep going keep going and you know Thanksgiving if you actually enjoy the fuck you're a Thanksgiving day and Thanksgiving dinner and eat the fucking stuffing and mash potatoes And gravy and turkey. I dare you to you're not gonna get fat from that You're gonna get fat from one meal and I know some people are like, oh If you saw the way I eat. Okay. What 10,000 calories go for yeah, exactly You know, I'm saying I'm gonna hit 10,000 you're not you know There's people online that make viral videos of trying to get to 10,000 calories It's a fucking it's hard. It's hard. So let's say you eat what six, right? You know I'm saying six thousand calories like So you know I'm saying you're not gonna only one day. Yeah, that's one day You're not gonna you're not gonna put five pounds of body fat on from that one meal It's what happens is that triggers now that that oh now I want this I want that and you keep going It's the just it's the lack of discipline to Which is our original beef with IFYM because it's almost like this Oh, yeah, the reintroduce it it messes with you. You know, it's like something that like starts to repeat In your diet. There's stuff hormonally happening too. So I mean leptin spikes Like when you all sudden surge all these carbs and all the sweetened leptin gets shot up And then when leptin gets shot up it tells the brain that we have more fuel to burn and the metabolism starts to kick up So there's stuff that's going on hormonal. You can exactly you can actually position a holiday meal Or holiday as a way to boost metabolism build more muscle and actually burn more body fat, right? It's it's it's the theory behind You know carb cycling or cheat days or whatever that bodybuilders and athletes will use when they're when they're getting ready for a show And so the days after and I used to tell my clients this all the time The days pay attention to the days after Thanksgiving and Christmas you are gonna want to eat more you are gonna crave these foods more That's a good thing. It means we've ramped things up So if you're cool with if you can just maintain for the next couple days You'll your hunger and stuff will go back to normal, but you'll have burn more body fat and maybe improve your performance. Absolutely Next question is from hooligan. Were you always growth-minded? Can you recall the moment you changed your mindset? That's a great question. So so let's talk about the growth mindset versus non-growth mindset right Growth mindset this would be someone who says, you know, uh, so if you're not growth-minded you would say things like That's just the way I am This is who I am you identify with the things you do with with the way you think And you say things, you know, like they were born that way It's in their blood just the way they are and they're not going to change somebody who's growth-minded says I can work towards this. I can do this if I work towards it and I try Um, it's these are individuals who look at situations challenge themselves. They also look at failure different. That's right And so being growth-minded. I don't think I don't think anybody's a hundred percent Or most people aren't a hundred percent growth-minded or the other I think sometimes you're growth-minded or in some areas you may be growth-minded and in other areas You may not be so growth-minded. I'll use myself as an example I consider myself to be very very growth-minded with most things and I did not realize that an area that I wasn't growth-minded was In relation to like adventure and travel I've never really enjoyed going places and not knowing What I was going to do or not having things planned out. It was always just kind of stressing me out Like if I went somewhere, I'd like to know Where we're going what time we're going to be there and I'm in a controlled environment I'm not the kind of person that's like, hey, let's get on this figure out when I get there Yeah, I hate that. Like I always hated that. It's like really unsettling and I would identify with it. Like that's just not me I just don't like it. Well, you know, I'm dating a girl who loves doing that And we went on a road trip when we first started dating and that's exactly what it was. It was totally unplanned most of it was And I identified it at that point of course, you know at the time I was you know, what 37 36 And so I'm already older and I remember thinking to myself like oh, shit You know why this seems like something I'm really rigid on let me challenge this Let me challenge this and because what's the worst that could happen? I don't have a good time big deal So let me challenge this and I actually learned and discovered That I enjoy that like I would have never known that before I thought I hated it But I never had really done it before all of a sudden I realized that this is something that I actually Really enjoy doing I enjoy going places not knowing what we're going to do and just figuring it out on the way And one thing that I noticed throughout my life is when I challenge myself with things that Uh, I'm uh really rigid on it makes me more likely or it makes it easier for me to challenge myself in other ways It's like the more growth minded you become the more growth minded Oh, it escalates. I could totally attest to that because for me like I always feel like I've always been growth minded But there are those things that stick out like why am I so resistant to certain things and You know for me it was it was food food was a big deal for me where I was like so um I had the same thing all the time like I didn't want to like venture outside of like Trying new types of foods or like And and and this was definitely something like that was passed on like habit wise for my my parents my dad especially like He just wanted the most bland like non-flavorful food ever right and so like growing up with that kind of a mentality It was really tough for me to like try Uh, you know different types of vegetables like different types of dishes that you know Even still I'm resistant to like seafood and things like that because it's just like I don't know. I have I have a hard time. So I've been challenging myself to eat more fish to eat You know stuff that used to scare me like brussel sprouts and egg plant and you know stuff like like And then once you start to get and get into that That mentality, you know business Uh, you know relationships everything else as far as like growth is concerned benefits Yeah, did you did you say things like? Oh, I don't eat fish. I would just say that right. It's not. Yeah, I just don't do that It's funny too because the more aware you become of of being growth-minded the more the easier you see it in other people So I'll say something like Like well like with food like we'll be eating dinner and you know, my girlfriend's dad will be over right? And I'll be like hey you want some broccoli and say I don't eat broccoli like it's not Uh, you know, I don't like the taste of broccoli. It's it's like I don't do that identified by not. Yeah, exactly Or one of my my youngest sister she would say this all time I don't do dishes like what the fuck does that mean you don't do dishes? What do you mean you can't like your hands don't work like what do you mean by that? Like it's a very interesting But we're all we all get guilty of it and I find myself doing it But the more I challenge those things the easier it is a challenge Moving forward and now I find that I get off on Challenging myself with certain things although initially it's tough especially when it gets pointed out to you Oh, it's I think it's very tough and I think very few people truly are I think you you have to learn to seek being uncomfortable And I don't think a lot of people do that. I mean we're as As creatures we tend to want to gravitate towards what makes us comfortable feel good. What's easy like that's that's actually what's familiar Yeah, that's what's natural for us So it's actually you have to learn to seek outside of that and if you're not paying attention to it You're not thinking about it actively Easily you'll just tend to make the decisions that are the the least resistance And you have to actively go after things That puts you in that uncomfortable state for me There was uh, there was a very pivotal point in my life for sure And I've shared this story on the on the podcast before so I apologize anybody that's heard it before but it was it was a monumental time for me because I was coming up in in the gym, right? So it's I'm 25 years old And I'm doing great, right? I had my house making good money Love my job like top top performer like everything's like I'm happy everything's cool, right? And at that time in my life, I'm thinking that I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing where I'm at I love the company I work for and one day I'm going to be a vice president I'm going to make 300 000 a year and I'm going to do do what I love to do be in the gym, right? And that was really my path And it was around that time and you know backing up a couple years before that I was already like They were trying to promote me to the GM side. We were talking about my path to become a DM And so this was kind of the conversation But what I was what I was recognizing was the company was changing when they after they had sold the forksman a little And it was no longer the same company that you know, I thought it was before And the way that they were promoting people and the way the kind of money that like my boss my boss's boss was making Like they've changed their salary. They weren't making that much anymore And it really made me ask myself like is this what I want to do and I had a conversation With the vice president in in the office and it was him trying to Convince me to switch sides and he was basically trying to Convince me to take on more work for you know, no more no more guaranteed money And the idea was that I had to take a step back to take a step forward And I remember thinking to myself that You know, why am I waiting for this company to like pave this way for me or why am I Why am I waiting for them to dictate like my growth? Like why can't why can't I get smarter than my boss's boss? I already felt like I was smarter than my boss I already felt like I was better than what he was doing But because I was not in a position I was allowing that to dictate like what level I was at and I thought what the fuck why am I allowing that Why don't I continue to grow beyond these guys if they don't recognize it? I'll move on and do something else. And so that was at that moment. I remember to the the CEO would like Yeah, he would post every every week like what book he was reading and he had this whole thing And so I started reading everything he was reading and I was like, okay Well, I'm just with my CEO is reading this stuff I'm going to start reading reading everything that he's reading And it was the one of the best things that I and it was uncomfortable. I don't like to read. I'm a slow reader And so it wasn't something that and when I was done like with school I was work. I was always working on my craft But I recognized that moment that this was something that I was uncomfortable doing it wasn't doing something I was already good at I was forcing myself to do something that I felt necessary to To force me into growth. And so I began on this tear and that was at 25 And I remember I outgrew the company. I got to a point where I was like it was easy for me I wanted more I was I was building other businesses while I was still working for that company And so I was like, you know, it was the best it empowered me and it gave me leverage Because I was pushing myself in that direction. So that was a very pivotal moment. And then I think like you said Sal I think that we're still You know, you're always getting revealed things like and I we just had this conversation We had and your ego doesn't like it right when someone points it out to you like we're talking about right We just had um julie from paleo mg on the show and We were talking about like haters and people like that post on your social media and that like say things that make you mad And you want to fire back and she was talking about the things that really Would fire up and I said, you know, I remember the first time that happened when we first started minepump And we even did an episode on it. I remember it kind of like stung me and that was a major growth Moment for me in in this business. I was like, whoa, like I let some fucking person I don't even know who they are Like actually affect how I felt and instead of being angry at that person it made me reflect on me And so I was giving this advice to julie was that, you know, instead of like looking at all the haters as You know, fuck them or responding or not responding How about looking at them in a positive light? Like, you know, I'm going through and I'm reading all the hate And the ones that actually make me want to respond and the ones that get me fired up Is a great tool for me to have self reflection Because why does that why does that statement bother me but not the two before that? Someone called me stupid. Someone called me ugly. Then somebody said something else The stupid and ugly didn't bother me. But when they said that I wanted to respond. So why is that, you know What is that that's that that's telling me something about my own insecurities and for me This is an opportunity for growth. So if once you learn to make that switch I think you'll continue to to have to can be challenging yourself this way But I thought that was uh an example of something that I would dealt with I remember years ago You know, when I was I was I was young. I was probably my early 20s And I would talk to people who had come by memberships at the gyms. I would manage And I remember it was always shocking to me when I would look at someone or I'd be talking to someone who needs to lose I don't know 30 pounds And they would say things like I just can't like I can't do it like this It's just my body just this won't work. And I remember thinking like of course you can like and and at that There was one moment in particular where I'm having this conversation with this woman And she's literally telling me I just I can't do it. I can't eat right I can't not eat these foods. I can't exercise It just doesn't work for me. And I remember thinking to myself like Wow, here's a situation where if I was if you just took my Mind and put it in her body like if I could do all the work for her I would totally do it no problem three months. You lose 30 pounds. You'd feel amazing. It'd be way more fit It's not an issue. And then it dawned on me I wonder what things I think I can't do that other people do That they look at me in the same way, right? And so from that moment, I would constantly Think and try to find those things like I remember in my early 20s. I would think Oh my god, like, you know, I'd have a client that was a Multi-millionaire, you know self-made millionaire and they'd tell me how they you know Oh, I just figured it out and I just did it and I think like well, that's crazy. Like how does that work? You're lucky. Maybe you're lucky and you know, I've always been a hard worker But there was always that little bit of my mind like Like well, that's that's so like how can you do that? Maybe it's just because you're you know Super and I remember thinking like wait a minute. It's the same situation Or somebody gave them money or something. Yeah, he's looking at me the same way I looked at that woman. Yeah, he's thinking to himself like look kid It's not it's not it's not magic. Yeah, it's not magic. You have to do it. Just yeah, just do it Here's the formula and it'll happen for you And uh, I started to apply that to a lot of different things and it isn't easy. Yeah, it's very difficult I'll tell you what though fitness is That I found one of the most powerful tools to teach someone a growth mindset that I've ever found Oh, yeah, because you're constantly working on yourself. You see so many parallels So it's well not only that but it's it's relatively easy and what I mean by that is I've used this example before You know, I'll train someone like parents used to send me their kids all the time So I train people and then they say oh, I want you to train my son You know, he really needs more confidence or he's not getting your grades Or I want you to train my daughter. She's got body image issues Whatever and I start working with these kids and they're usually teenagers and uh Usually they were they had low self-esteem or they were insecure or whatever And so we would train and I would make sure to point out Um, how they were progressing. So, you know, like if I'm training this kid this 14 year old kid that's You know, not doing well in school Uh getting into trouble Insecure and it's our third week and we just did push-ups and I'm like, hey, john You did 15 push-ups and they look at me like, yeah, no big deal. I'll be like, dude three weeks ago You did 10 and they'll be like, yeah, so I got stronger. I say no no Yeah, you did get stronger. But do you realize that you're not this you're fundamentally not the same Okay, so now talking about being a different person actually this whole topic like I remember maybe A couple posts ago. I did a post about you know, the growth mindset and you know scarcity and uh, what brought it up was I mean, I was talking to an old friend and um, there's just There's just things that just starting to be more clear to me as far as how people identify You know who they are and some people really really hold on to that past identification like this is who I was then and I was You know in this situation Remember when he did that remember when he did this and I'm like, yeah, but I was a kid You know, like that's not even who I am now And I don't understand why you used to identify with that same person and um, I thought that that was always like I don't know when that switch actually happened, but I never looked back man. I like If if anything I'm always trying to improve my current state and that's something that I want to focus just on Today like today present forward like yeah I mean there's things to learn from the past and it's good to kind of reflect from from every now and then but To identify with that's who you know if people like bring up a story about me from back then like we were talking about You know the beginning of this podcast some shitty fight stories and all that stuff Like I don't identify at all with who I was then right so like I don't know that's that's something That's a little bit of like repulsive to me almost It's interesting. Well pay attention now what people say like I struggle with this or I this it's like Do you really like because you've had that in the past? Why do you still say that? Why do you still why are you still? You know verbalizing that that you are still struggling with something that you dealt with Five six years ago like people have a really hard time. I think people also Think because it sounds cool to be growth-minded, you know a growth mindset sounds cool fixed mindset sounds terrible The reality of it is a fixed mindset Living in a fixed mindset feels comfortable It feels safe You tell yourself things you want to hear and it's like being in a warm cozy bed when it's cold outside Like you just want to stay in there and it feels nice and I'll just be like this growth mindset As as great as it sounds and yes, it does yield Uh, you know results that are incredible and hard to quantify It's a fucking tough mindset to be in all the time. It's a very difficult mindset to always be in You're always uncomfortable. Not only you're always uncomfortable But you're challenging yourself In ways that you don't want to challenge yourself in and that's the key It's not like oh, I challenge myself all the time. I work out hard all the time I read a lot of books all the time. You like challenging yourself Yeah, what are the ways you don't like to challenge yourself right? What are the what are the things you don't like to do like do you not like to swim in open water? I don't like to swim in the ocean. It's just something I don't do Why don't you go try it and do it And that's an area you don't like to challenge yourself Or I don't like to talk on a podcast or I don't like to speak in front of crowds And I'm saying this right now and I guarantee you there's some listeners right now that I'm hitting their buttons Like if I say speak in front of a crowd, I guarantee you a lot of people listening right now Like oh, fuck no, I used to have panic attacks about that. Yeah, but you know what that's how you grow So if you value growth, those are all physical things too. There's a lot of just mental shifts You don't always why you think of things right exactly It's not always like you got to like find something like I don't you know Because I'm thinking you're saying things like don't go out to ocean I'm thinking someone's scared of shark someone's scared of drowning they can't swim and it's like You'll go out there and swim you fucking drown because you can't swim right? No It's it's more about changing your mindset, right? It's more about that than it is really like actually actively going to do something you do not have to physically go And challenge yourself with something that you physically don't like to do all the time It's just learning to look at things differently I actually have to give Aaron Alexander some credit for this Like I remember we're doing a pot his first podcast we do with him and I remember saying like I Am not good at this or whatever and then having to check myself a certain. I am like like why am I Associating that I'm not good at that like instead of I'm working on this like changing the language of it even right? Yeah, that's what I mean. That's just just changing the way you think about it Uh is a major major difference I know fitness is a great way to develop a growth mindset It can be a one it can also be one to create a fixed one So it is a double-edged sword But if you look at the way you can change your body through work And whatever you start to realize that you're not this stagnant thing that you can change and morph and become More fit and more healthy whatever So that's one way here's another one that I found to be very powerful The next argument you get with someone Try to imagine that they're right Like just just for a second entertain the fact because the reason why you argue in the first place with someone It says you think you're right. Yeah, you won't argue with somebody if you think they're right So the whole reason why you're having a heated discussion or argument with someone is a great time because it's a holiday, right? This is dropping on things giving you're gonna see your family right now You're gonna first we're getting people fighting and they were like here's how you make up Guaranteed you're gonna see you know some family members and shit that push your buttons For a second sit there and think to yourself Okay, maybe they're right entertain it and not even say maybe I say say they're right because it's bothering you If if you're getting into it with a family member and they're saying something Sal you always do that blah blah blah blah Don't even yes, they're right and like they're right some somewhat Whether it's even the slightest bit if it's caused them to do that to you There's something that I've I've put that off for them to feel this way Dude, and I've done this so many times where I'm having an argument I'll argue with my girlfriend or argue with a friend or whatever And we'll be talking and I'm like I'm totally right and totally right and then at some point The clicks that have created a habit of doing this where I'll I'll think about it for a second This is why sometimes if I have an argument with someone I like to take a break Because it gives me an opportunity to do this because it's hard to do this while you're arguing because while I'm arguing I'm defending right. I'm defending myself. So I'll leave the situation and I'll think to myself And sometimes they are right that blew me away because I was a person that never thought I was wrong Because I can argue really well. I can articulate my position really well. I'm a very good communicator So it's easy for me to convince myself that I'm always right, but I'll leave a situation and I'm gonna wear no I'll leave a situation And sometimes I'll be like oh fuck like okay. They are right and it sucks, but then it's awesome Then it's great Next question is from kray manly. What do you think the future of self healing looks like such as meditation? quality movements quality nutritional foods, etc I think if you're starting a business that's in any of these fields right now It's a beautiful time to do a booming one. It is and it's only going to so if you're looking at spa resorts massage therapy float tanks um anything in that any the organic food world like All natural stuff anything hitting in that direction All that entire industry that wellness industry is on the rise and it's going to continue to go on the rise because It's the counter to The other side which is we all know that we're becoming more plugged in right we're becoming more attached We're becoming everything's on all the time right we're becoming more connected to our computers our phones And we are we're plugged in way more than we ever have in our lives Which is guaranteed that if that's the case there will always there'll always be a counter to whatever culture is going on So this is the counter culture And I think that the more people that realize the need for it You're going to see a huge increase in it. So I think that's what the future looks like in it Then I also believe You know, you're going to have you're going to we're going to see the extreme of it also Because I still believe that just as it's human nature. We always tend to do this that Whatever it is you're doing you're probably not doing enough of what you should be doing and it's vice versa It doesn't matter if you're the the plugged in group and that's everything you do or you're the super hippie crunchy person Who just meditates never looks at any electronics doesn't want to do that because there's there's good and bad to both sides of that And you're going to have people that really Divide themselves and and say this is the way all the way and that's so bad and awful for you Or this is the only way if you want to be successful and that that way is silly and old old old way of thinking But in reality It's very similar to what we talk about with health and fitness the health and fitness space Is they need to learn to intertwine when I hear healing. I think of It's like real pain like something I need to heal from Versus just get away like, you know, there's things you need to get away Like if my kids are like, you know, driving me crazy where I need to get away That's not necessarily healing because I'm not like I don't have this pain that I'm hurting from I just need to get like a little break when I think healing. I think You're dealing with some deep shit and something that I learned relatively recently because I had a real tough five-year stint of you know losing someone very close to me with cancer going through a divorce of after being married for 15 years That and I was you know talking with a good friend of mine who themselves they had gone through lots of Issues and had figured out ways to help themselves and something they said to me really stuck And that is the only way to get through The only way to get through something is to go through it is to feel it. You can't go around it So if you've got pain or something that you need to heal from You can't distract yourself away from it to heal from it. You can't Not talk about it. You can't not think about it. That only lasts for so long The only way to heal is to go through it. You literally have to feel it process it and go through it which sucks because You don't want to you don't want to think about that, you know When if you were a kid and you had you know abusive, you know Parents or that relationship or that thing that you did or whatever But you have to you have to go through it. And so I think The future of self-healing deals with situations that help foster that and typically its situations in in places very like what adam said actually very similar Where you're not distracted where you have no other choice But to go through where you go to These you know silent retreats, you know, I hear about people going on these silent retreats, which sounds Absolutely terrifying to me, which actually makes me want to do it. Like why am I so terrified? Right of going on a three-day Meditate meditation technique retreat where we're not allowed to talk to anybody. That sounds so fucking terrifying to me But really there's nothing terrifying. What why am I scared? Obviously There's something that I'm running from So maybe I should go, you know, I should go do it and I think a lot of the self healing You know tools of the future are going to be based around Being in nature Being around distraction. You don't have anything to do. Maybe not even anybody to talk to Make no substances that you can distract yourself with where you're just there with your thoughts in the quiet of whatever Where you have to go through it. Well, yeah, definitely that's a little more esoteric than the direction I was going to go more like You know, like what maybe dr. Brink is kind of creating with his recovery labs and like having You know something like a refuge but like as far as um, you know creating a space like I would like to see more gyms that are it's a structured environment that is available like in conjunction Like with a gym or it's like in your community where it's like you just go there. Yeah, there's not a lot of talking going on There's just more self-reflection. It's just it's a physical Experience so that way, you know people like me are more likely to You know get involved and get into it because like I think you know, there there's a little bit of that resistance where you know, everybody's so go go go and type a where just to get them to Stop everything and be quiet and still is like so like that that's like repulsive on like every end for You know people with that mentality So I think having an environment to help kind of foster that and kind of get them into that Zone will be really helpful. It's funny. Well, we'll it will be we'll interview guests that are like these super self-starters like super motivated hardcore Just machines awesome to talk to very motivating to meet You know people like, you know, julie bower who we just met or Amelia boon These are just they're just bad asses. They achieve at very very high levels And then you bring up stuff like meditation and yoga to them and you can see I already I can always always predict How someone's gonna respond. Yeah when I say that depending on the kind of person people like that They'll always say the same thing about something like yoga like oh, I can't do it a couple I hated I had to sit there had to sit still I hate it and it's like that's probably exactly It's good for you. That's exactly what you need In order to you know to move ahead So I think a lot of the tools are gonna look like that just because like, you know, a lot of what adam was saying We don't do any of that anymore. Yep. It used to be I'll tell you what man There used to be a lot of quiet and silence bro. You used to be too much for my life You don't say like there used to be a time you stood in line and you didn't do shit, bro I lived out in the country, man I lived out in the country and there was like there could be days. I might not see anybody else But me, you know I'm saying so there's a lot of quiet time. Yeah, but it's not like that or when you drive Remember back in the day you drove like you weren't talking to nobody the engine It was just you and yourself funny you say that because so I'll do this I did this morning Sometimes like if I'm just not in the mood if I'm not listening to an audio book or I'm just not in music mood I just I shut I shut my radio. I drove all the way to work today, you know 20 20 25 minutes Just complete side your head. It's actually very meditative for me Absolutely because it's rare that you do that. You're always in the car listening something or doing something, right? Is you know what I'm just make sure and keep downloading our podcasts Mind pumps a great way to heal. Yeah, that's right Next up is alex ald 99 in maps aesthetic What is your reasoning for putting some isolation exercises before some compound lifts? That's a good This is a good question because the common knowledge is that you always do compound lifts first Before I go into this breakdown If people are listening and don't know exactly what that means Compound lifts are exercises that involve multi joint. Yeah more than one joint So a bench press would involve my elbows and my shoulders So it's a compound lift a squat would involve my knees hips and ankles So that's a compound lift an isolation one is one that only involves one joint So a fly would be an isolation exercise a bar of a curl would be an isolation exercise A leg extension would be an isolation exercise and common knowledge says That you need you should do the heavy hard compound lifts first in your routine when you have the most energy When your central nervous system is the most fresh because those movements require The most out of you which is exactly how maps that of all it is That's right And it's how you should train a lot of the times I'd say a majority of the time you should train that way But that doesn't mean there isn't benefit from doing an isolation exercise Before a compound lift when you do an isolation exercise before a compound lift There's a there's you you can prime a muscle To be utilized differently in that compound lift. So I'll give you a good example if I Want to hit my quads if let's say when I squat I just my quads aren't firing the way I want If I did some heavy leg extensions first and then went to my compound squats I'm going to feel my my quads a lot more in the squat than I normally would This is true for any muscle and it's a great technique For lagging body parts or for just not being connected right you want them to contribute That's right And if you're not connected to a muscle if you feel like you're not feeling your butt on squats do some isolation glute exercises Then do your heavy squats and I guarantee You'll start to feel your glutes I learned this As a kid because I've been working out for a long time and I was a a student Of working out from day one. This is the way I approach things and I read uh mike mensers heavy duty This was a book That it was a pivotal time in my life For a few different reasons, but it helped me identify a few things that I was doing That wasn't working and I implemented a few things that helped, you know, my body respond again One of which is reducing the total amount of volume. I gave my body more rest All that's but one thing that he did in heavy duty was he talks about pre exhaust Super sets and what a pre exhaust superset is it's an isolation movement Followed by a compound movement one after another For a target muscle and one of the ones that he has in heavy duty that he talks about a lot is a dumbbell pullover Which is an isolation movement for the lats To a pull-up which is a compound movement that also involves the lats Now up until this point, I'm a kid. So I'm probably 15 Maybe years old. I didn't feel my lats ever when I worked out my back I just didn't have the connection to him and I frankly didn't probably have the muscle There to really feel it never got a pump on my lats ever I got a pump on my shoulders my biceps and my triceps my chest my legs Never felt a pump in my lats Then I read this book and I started doing Uh isolation movements on my lats like straight arm pull downs dumbbell pullovers and etc Really getting my lats to do a lot of work feeling them contract connecting to them Then I went to my compound movement and for the first time in my life I felt a pump in my lats and if fucking I remember the first time I literally remember it I was in my backyard I'm doing dumbbell pullovers across my bench and I started just doing them slow and I'm feeling my lats stretch I'm feeling my lats squeeze Then I go do pull-ups I get off the pull-up bar and I'm standing there and I'm like holy shit Like I can feel a pump in my lats and that's when I really learned the benefit of Incorporating think of it from a neurological standpoint like you're prioritizing neurons To a muscle that is you know that you want definitely to feel in a movement like that and in a compound movement You're never working just one muscle in a compound movement. You're working several different muscle groups And if I if my goal is a bodybuilder, right? It's just a perfect example Which I love that you use the pullover because that is a great example of something that I would definitely do this with And I think it's in the program too Is you know, I want this big wide back But when I do pull-ups in the past, you know when I was younger also It's all biceps biceps. Yeah, my biceps would fatigue first I wouldn't get my back wouldn't get sore my biceps would get sore because That was a lot of work to pull and I was pulling up with my biceps So by doing the pullovers I prioritize the neurons back there into my lats Don't tell them that wake up fire and then you go and then you do that and then you absolutely will feel that So there's huge advantage to do. I mean I know I figured this out too more from just utilizing isometrics the same way So just like you would do reps like I would do More sustained holds where I was just trying to create that pathway and get those neurons to communicate to that area of my body So to contribute to these compound less same exact, you know, uh, mentality with that just a different Technique use and I think I think it's important Like you said two cells that it's this is not like something that you always do because then you don't want to make that Mistake because there are huge strength benefits to you just going into your compound lift So you have every muscle recruiting that you can and and and they're fresh But this is why you find this in a maps aesthetic But you don't find this in maps anabolic is now aesthetics We've we're assuming that you've already built a good solid foundation because you've gone through probably red and green And now you're into aesthetics now. We're sculpting now. We're shaping our goals are different You don't care so much if you Your you know, your bench goes up an extra, you know 100 pounds or about that or five 10 pounds you care more about you know sculpting your physique So and it's a great way to do that. I always like to Target a a lagging body part that's a part of a compound before going in if it's a lagging body part So another example would be like the triceps with chest Let's say you have a very dominant chest but you have weak arms, you know So you actually getting your triceps more involved before you get your chest Well, yeah, it's going to hinder your your bench press and you're not going to be able to bench Probably your best bench, but you're definitely going to feel more of your triceps in there and there build your arms There is areas that and that would be for somebody like I said, if you has a dominant chest but not triceps You can do this for any part of your body. You don't this is where I recommend it any part of your body. You don't feel With the feel lag right with that lag or you don't feel so if you mid-back even mid-back So oh when I do my back exercises, I get a lat pump and I never feel my mid-back really work You can do these kind of horizontal shrugs where you grab a bar I've had clients do this where you know, they don't they can't get them to squeeze it But so they'll do these horizontal shrugs with a hold on to a bar arms are straight And they pinch the shoulder blades back with the arms straight and let them come forward And I'll have them do that for like 10 reps and then I'll have them start rowing and next thing you know Oh, shit. I really feel my mid-back really start to work. And so although compound lifts build more muscle Period they do they build more muscle They don't if you don't have a good connection So this is something that you can do to create a better connection But then the compound lifts still are your main mass builders now that being said I mean it's a technique and like all techniques and exercise if you haven't done it for a while You do it you're going to get some benefit from it right right So even if you all and if you always do it it's going to start it's it'll stop working Right and I learned that lesson too because then all of a sudden that's how I was doing my back My back workouts were pullovers to pull-ups and then it you know Well, we didn't even touch on this but this is this is actually the the science behind the butt builder guide Like you know what you want to know like how how we what we do in there that's so unique and different is We teach people how to and get their glutes firing before they go do big compound lifts So, you know all these isolation glute kicks, but yeah, that's not going to grow someone's butt really big But what it will do is it'll help get them connected there So then you can go over to a big compound movement real similar like sal was saying with the squat I you know I rarely ever do I have somebody who who's squatting and they want more quad focus, but it could be Most people want more glutes right more especially when the girls are wanting to squat and build their glutes So I'll do like a glute bridge or donkey kickbacks whatever like that And then just a little bit not fatiguing it not doing it like crazy You're just trying to get it firing and then go right into your squat and you watch how much your ass feels Absolutely Check this out go to youtube mind pump tv. 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