 Call to order the February 23, 2015 meeting of the Compton Redevelopment Board, a fairly full agenda this evening. We do have a special permit on the docket tonight posted for 7 o'clock p.m. There's another agenda item for 7.05 with Andrew Flanagan with Deputy Sound Managers here to present some specific items. And if the special permit applicant does not have any objection, I'd like to have him step back for about five minutes to give you some opportunity. All right, Andrew. Great, thank you. Thank you for having me tonight. What I hoped to do was talk a little bit about how capital improvement projects at three buildings that are contained in the renewable fund and the authority of the board have been funded over really the past 30 years. And where we are today and why I think is the reason that we sort of shift in how we finance some of these projects. So for those of you who are familiar with our meeting, you know, the Capital Planning Committee puts out a report every year that they've been doing so since 1986, shortly after the linear renewable fund was created. And really the financing of all capital products across the town are put into three categories. So items that are funded by cash, items and projects that are funded through general fund borrowing, and then a category that is other. So the other projects, water and sewer projects that are funded through the Enterprise Fund, the Recreation Enterprise Fund, and then improvements to the Central School, 23 Maple Street, and the Jefferson Catterhouse. While not a enterprise fund by law, it operates very similarly in that the revenue generated from those properties is used to offset the expenses. So a lot of the work that's been done over the past 30 years has been small in order, in terms of magnitude, bathroom improvements, exterior improvements. But now we're about 30 years in, since money's really been sunk into the buildings and we're seeing the projects becoming much larger in scale. So the three that really are included in this plan, or this is the last year in the plan that we've presented to town meeting in April, include the second phase of funding while the work has been started to pave or re-brick the driveway around the Central School, the replacement of the firm, which is a 23 Maple Street, which has some historical significance there. I don't know if you want to add some context to that. And then lastly, the roof of the Jefferson Catterhouse, which obviously is much more expensive than replacing a roof at a house of a similar size in a neighborhood. So one thing we realized is that unlike previous projects, we can't pay for it in cash. The fund just doesn't have a balance and it would clean it up. So what I recommended to the town manager in the Catholic Planning Committee is that through our general fund borrowing, we borrow funds to these projects and then pay the debt service associated with those projects from the fund. So in year one, that would be $20,000 and its highest year would be about $60,000. The fund is healthy enough to manage that. And that is the direction that I think we should go in, because I don't think any of the projects that I mentioned are really weak. So with that, Caroline, what do you want to add? That's about the size of it. It doesn't make sense to clean out the fund. We do have a good cash flow from 23 Maple Street. The 23 Maple Street and Central School really kind of subsidized the Jefferson Cutter House. So we really would need to clean out the other buildings to pay the debt on the Jefferson Cutter House. And it is very important. It's a wood roof. We've had some water enter the building. Not through the roof yet, but we've had some water enter the building through the gutters. So we don't want that to happen with the roof. So it is very important. All of this work is very important. The paving at the Central School is really overdue. The paving of the lot, just like paving the walkways. And 23 Maple Street is, we have to, as a municipality, kind of walk it like we talk it. It is an historic district. And it is historic. The building is historically significant. So because we have a historic district, we're in a historic district. We impose that on private property owners. We have to adhere to the same standards. And it will be a good model for historic district restoration when 23 Maple Street is done. I think some of you probably recall that we put this out to build a couple years ago and all the bits came back twice a week, but today. So that's why it's really important to try to get the funds. I think get them done this way and get the work going. And the three projects collectively are about $400,000 total investment in the three properties. Over what period? I'm sorry, did you tell the board? Sure. So they're all, so we funded the first phase of the paving project last year. The second phase will be FY16. The roof of the Jefferson Cutter House will be FY16. And the porches will be in FY16. And why they're all kind of together is because they've been delayed because we haven't had the phone. And now since we've agreed, or at least thought about this approach, we can do it on all the ones. So you had mentioned that there's enough money in the fund to cover debt service. And is that just interest or is that paying back, you know, this big dollar? So in year one, it's generally just being interest. It'll be about $20,000. And then interest and debt service combined at its highest here. It's about 60. Okay. So a little bit more. And roughly how long does it take to repay the general fund? So what we'll do is when we work with bond counselors before we go out the bar, we'll look at what, you know, there's regulations and match general law that pertain to specific capital projects and what terms you can borrow for them. So we'll see where it fits. Okay. I mean, it's not going to be 30 to 20 years. It's probably going to be between seven and 12. So what has to happen from our perspective? I mean, I think, you know, we've got the fund and that typically will just, you know, lay out the cash here. We'll ask Taomita as part of the Capital Planning Committee. And then is it designated so you can do that with the bond? In fact, they probably want you to do that is show exactly where that money's going to come from for the debt service. Right. So what you'll see, and I brought you a copy of it, but I can certainly provide it to Carol. You'll see the Capital Planning Committee's report. The Capital Planning Committee rule is that we're to be at 5% of revenue. Roughly the capital budget should be equal to that. Right. So what you'll see is basically what the total general fund cost of borrowing is. And then we'll reduce that to get within the 5% based on funds that come from other places. So in this case, we have money that comes from the Ambulance Revolving Fund that pays the offset debt service for the cost of an ambulance. From the rank that offsets that service at the rank. And then you'll see a line that says our revenue will offset that. Okay. Okay, that would be the funds coming in from... Basically a cash application to our total borrowing cost. Okay. And Taomita meeting through its presentation in here will essentially improve that. And that's okay within our Urban Renewal Plan for those buildings. We can do that with the funds. We can serve a step with it. To be perfectly candid, I haven't looked into it. But because the term of the Urban Renewal Program to rehab the building has passed, I don't think there are any rules that we have to play by. Okay. Any hud rules. We'll check with the Council on that. Similar. I mean, since those creators in Urban Renewal Plan would get very similar things offset. That's true. The offset. The cost of that service there. Although we were thinking of it from the beginning on that one, I just want to make sure that whatever... Yeah, I guess I just want to make sure that we don't get tripped up. Oh, absolutely. Thank you. Great. Thank you very much. Thanks Andrew. Moving on. The Environmental Design Review Special Permit has the applicant to step forward and introduce themselves. You sit here. Okay. This is a first for us. I'm Mark Nunan. I'm a managing member of Valorant Realty. It's my brother Peter Valorant. And this is Joseph Hartley. And he's our architect. So if you could give us an overview of what we're looking at here. But the overview is that we want a property of 248 Nassau. It is reccited on Nassau, very close to Orgus. It's zoned R6. It is adjacent to two other properties that are R6. In fact, the land is a streetscape. It might be the best way to do it for more than a year. The land is made of the new sheet. The new sheet. The top of the new sheet. So at the bottom, Joe drew the existing streetscape. 248 is the small ranch. And it sits in the other R6 properties of the Catholic Square Project. That's right next to it. It goes to the exact three buildings. Those are the two on the street. And then 254, excuse me, 264. Orgus Road is to the left of 244. So the coast of the streetscape is right below it. And our major vision was to build something that could be accommodated in the R6 zone that would actually kind of fill in the blank here with regard to the streetscape look. So it's a similar height. The protrusion that you see in the back is actually a stairway with the door up. And it's in the back of the building. We actually don't think it's going to be built on the street. But this is basically the only view of the project in terms of how it looks. It's three stacked units. And the ground floor unit is... The top two are about the same size. The ground floor unit is a little bit less because we have one of the parking spots inside. And in the parking, should we go through sort of every element? We might as well. And I guess... Did you ever get the proposed thought plan? From Cliff? No. No, okay. All right, well... Well, he's up there. That is the part in... Okay. The one is the second page, and that shows the original... The only differences between the original drawings and the substitutes are I put some lighting in, and I changed an error that I saw, but they're essentially the same. I don't think you should sort of... get confused by trying to go back and forth with them. The second page, XS1, shows the existing property, the existing survey from 2003. And on the right-hand side, delineates the setbacks and the element of the proposed building and where they fall relative to the setback requirements. The next page is sort of an overview of the zoning issues, going to use lot area, front-to-floor area ratio, lot coverage, lot area, both things. And the use itself, allowable in the R6 zone, is one or two family dwellings and three family dwelling by special permits. So that's why we're here. And also we're here because of the Mass Ad site, I presume that's sort of two-fold that both those elements are playing into this. Everything is compliant with the zoning requirements. Where we were asking for relief is in the area of the party. We have three units and according to the bylaw, two spaces per unit are required. And we have five. And what we're proposing is if you look on page 03, that refers to the parking, we have four parking outside, one parking inside. The one parking inside will go to the first floor unit. The tandem parking, the tandem parking spots will go over, it's pretty obvious, but they'll go to the second and third floor unit, and we've got the turnaround requirements there so that nobody has to back into the street. Moeller on that subject, can you just sort of walk us through how you envision the drivers turning around? Well, we've got the 24 foot setback is delineated there. That's part of the bylaw. And we've tucked the building in, in that respect too, so we get the 24 feet up and down as well as side to side. So we envision that the cars will be backing up into that area. It's hard to say how this will happen. It'll make sort of a three-point turn and we'll be able to go forward. And 24 feet is pretty generous. But that's a bylaw. We wanted to do it according to that. That's what drove it. And the size of the car. And the snow. If you go back, actually the rationale, and this is zero one, the rationale for the FAR that we're proposing is given in vote one. We're asking, we're allowed sort of bonus provisions in the bylaw. One has to do with providing extra open space on the lot, usually open space, or any kind of open space actually. And the second one is an allowance of 5% for large drawing units. So we're taking advantage of those two items. And so we're allowable a, where is this? We're allowed 6,700 square feet of gross floor area and we're proposing 6,628. So we're less than we're allowed. And note two just addresses the parking that we talked about. And there are provisions in the bylaw that were by the AR being made grant reduction. I think that's that section 8.128, 80%. And you know the location is on Mass Ave. It's on the bus routes. And on this ampliability of walk to a lot of convenience, you know opportunities whether it be shopping or dining. And you know, we're reasonably comfortable that not everybody who wants to live here is going to need to have two vehicles. In fact, it's very possible, although that's something we would predict, that you could have three units occupied where there's just one vehicle. But we don't know that. And our page Z02 was suboxys of gross floor area calculations and how those were derived. I could go back to the parking for just a second. I don't know if you know if your plan is to rent these as apartments or develop this as a condominium. Will the parking spaces be actually assigned to the units and is there a way to make sure that there aren't additional cars being parked in any turnaround area that would make it difficult for people to maneuver out of them? Well, the intention is to make them condominiums. They will be assigned. And then the trustees, presumably, would have the ability to police additional cars that might be part of there. They're going to need to be self-policed. I really don't see any requests for additional cars to be honest. And perhaps when those documents are drawn up, that'll have to be made quite clear. Okay. What materials will the building be constructed of? It's going to be a wood frame, an engineered wood. And it's pretty simple. The exterior is going to be a cladding of private cement proposing something called michiha, which is a... It's like a panelized system which is offset from the... You have the exterior sheathing. You put a vapor barrier on top of it. And that's your rain screen. So there's a rain screen construction for the exterior. And so that anything, any moisture that gets in there will drain out. And the product itself is very durable, holds paint for a long time. And I propose for this to be painted. You can see it's kind of a monochromatic look. And that's what I was looking for. It's got corner elements that I read. I see it like cornerboards. And I wanted a subtle change from the bottom to the top and actually three different colors. I can't even kind of see it. There's a bigger one here too. Is it AO3? Can I spell in the name of the material, please? Michiha Tando. Okay, so Joe, what would the color scheme be? Has it shown here on AO3? Or is that just black and white of what your actual color choice is? No, I'm leaning towards gray. I really am leaning towards gray. But different shades of gray. And the reason, this is kind of a contemporary material. But my concern is that I'd like it to have a contemporary look, but I don't want it to be embarrassing to the owners of maybe five years down the road. I think it's a good looking building. And it's restrained, but actually kind of, I don't like using modern contemporary. But you also want to sort of break up the uniformity of the appearance with the different shading. Yes. I did have one other concern, and I understand that a penthouse is allowed as an exception with respect to height. But it is going above the profile, but at the height that you see on the street profile. And it would be, if you compare it to the Capital Square buildings and the building of 264, it would be the only building that doesn't have a parapet. Any thought that you might put something on the front of the building that would partially screen the penthouse, also screen the mechanics that are going to be on the top, and you could use it as the enclosure if you'd developed a roof deck or garden that is mentioned in the application. Yeah, the only drawback to that, and the one element that I have in the drawing to sort of ties everything together is I wanted to have a broad overhang, not deep, but I wanted it out pretty substantial. And that's why I did that. To put a parapet up there is sort of counter to that. I'm not too, too concerned. I would prefer not to. I mean, that's the truth. I would prefer not to, but I think, especially when you're down there, I mean, this is going to be up 30 feet, and it's, I think, no matter where you are walking down the street, maybe on the other side of the street, but even so, a lot of what you see up there is going to be obscured. I don't think you're going to see any mechanical space or any mechanical equipment. You may see a vestige of the roof of the stairwell. You'll definitely see it from the side. I mean, that's something that can't be avoided. But I think it's actually, I mean, I like there's an element if you window it and sort of make it sort of fit in with the rest of it. And I think that it's, even though it's not the main entrance, it's the stairwell that's closest to the parking. And I think it's going to get a lot of use. And so it's got windows on two sides. And so it's going to be a pretty light... It's your church tower type of element. Well, you know, I wouldn't call it my spire. No, not exactly. My lantern. I don't want to do it, but I mean, you need a roof access and I didn't want to minimize it. I didn't want to make it utilitarian. How it can sometimes be... Sure, sure, it looks like it's just a... Well, that's all it is. And there is... I mean, we've talked about this, the roof deck stuff. I mean, we haven't, you know, we think it's a natural, but we just haven't sort of explored it. And if anything, it's just going to be back there, you know, or back side. That's where it's nice. I mean, there's neighbor's trees back there. Isn't it about 50 feet back from the front facade? At least. That was actually more my question is I actually like the look of the nice clean lines. And the only question I have is if you decide to... when you've got the door right here, there's certain to be a roof deck. You know, I think the one thing is that I have a final fence around there to protect or something like that. I almost get more concerned about that than I do, like, breaking up the simplicity of it. But you're saying that if there was a roof deck, it would be back on this side. So once again, from the streetscape, you wouldn't know what the... I mean, we have a roof plan. Yeah, where's the roof plan? That's what I know, too. I mean, it's not fleshed out or something like that. And where the stairwell penetrates it. And that's... I mean, we probably expect something towards the rear if there's going to be any kind of space up there. The stairway would... This is the way it is when you accommodate something much easier than a hatch type situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is what we, you know, have in mind. But I'm not sure if it's a amenity that's going to get that use, use that much. It's amazing. I think if you build it, they will come. Yeah, I mean... It gives a lot of amenity. People like to take advantage of that. I'm glad you're asking these questions because Joe can get out ahead of us a little bit. So we'll rate them anyway. And... I'll comment on it. There's, I guess, a drainage and storm water management that is in process and still to come to the town engineer. Yeah, we're working with this fellow John Barrowes of Salem Village Consultant. He's worked with the town engineer numerous times. He's handling another property for us here in Arlington. And we feel pretty confident that a piece of the plan will be addressed appropriately as it goes forward. Right now, there's a lot of stone. You can't really give to do the testing. But we'll pledge to do that, right? Or whatever we have to do with you to monitor it. Yeah, I think usually the town engineer is the person that you have to satisfy that. We tend to rely on landscaping plan and plant list. I started to do that. And, you know, I go through the thing and I'm thinking I mean, at first I thought we've got the azaleas and the hostas and that sort of thing. And I could run down the whole list and I was doying it. Just I can we just pledge to do that? I mean, just don't understand. I mean, it's like two boxes, one dwarf, that's really what's required? Well, it's part of the EDR requirement for landscaping. And I realize the scale of the project isn't such that you're going to probably retain a landscape architect. I don't have a plan for that, but I think we need to see something. Well, I mean, there is a landscape plan. We did add to the new sheets that you have. Right. We also have one tree that might survive the process. And if we can move it to re-plant it I think we'd like to in that. Is that the cherry? The red maple. Okay. Probably with where's that tree now? It says the fence drops down at the access drive on 04. Yup. Okay, that's where the tree is now. It kind of sits right there. We've actually done a lot of that in the past. Sometimes it works. It was really nice, but some of the bigger ones on the other side of the property have kind of choked it out. Our tree guys are down there and he will call me today. It's a mature tree. So if we can do that it'll sort of dictate a little bit what happens in the backyard. But I think we probably still are going to need to know a little bit about what's going on in the front in the planting beds. Just tell us what you propose there. I understand the back is ground covered with peccasandra and lawn. If you look into New Zealand for if you could. I think he's talking about New Zealand. You'll see in the material. When it talks about planting New Zealand I make sure it's there. Peccasandra in the southwest corner of the property relocate the existing red maple to ensure to ensure I think that's the idea because none of these is too deep. This is less than a strip there and this might be three and a half feet so we really have what we're dealing with is this. So what we need to do is get plants that will take that. And against this wall we'd like to have the door that will make it a little taller. We've got to keep a little low right here. The trees in that front area? I don't believe so. Why not? I mean just like if you put a street tree in you only need a certain amount of room. I don't know. I'm thinking about the walkway and when a tree is young it kind of interferes with how you walk. There's a grass strip in front of it. That's a different story. It would be nice to have some scale in front of it. Why do you have a walk there? That's part of the we designed it so the parking was pretty much over here. Oh and you don't have to go to the sidewalk? Well no this is also a walk this is a walkway so that the grain rises up here so that it meets the entryway because this is an accessible entry. It's sloped up. You've got a planting van here. I'm still coming out here and going over there. It seems a dead end. You're going to the main entrance there. This is the main entrance? That's the main entrance. This isn't sloped. This isn't sloped. They're both sloped. Okay so that's the main entrance. So that's the side entrance. The side parking. There are actually five entrances to the first walk. I gotcha. Okay so it comes over here. Got it. I mean you have something with some scale in here that might be nice and this is the garage here. When you say scale you're talking about high and the very high are. The bushes. No I know. I'm just saying it wouldn't block anybody's view. It just could be nice because you have nice simple materials and then you get some green in front. It could be a nice way there. Not much like that though. Northern exposure, right? Maybe a little bookish. Maybe you can figure out something. How high do these get the ones that you're proposing? Or is that just precious? I would. Something a little more interesting. What's on the grass strip now, Peter? On the other side of the sidewalk. Anything? One good size tree, telephone pole. Small scale. Tree, you know. Yeah, like a Japanese. The thing about the small scale is it's when they're going to be rolling over the sidewalk. And that's I mean we kind of need bushes that do this. The boxwood is something that I'm excited about. And against the wall, the light isn't bright. Once it got a couple of years on it, any tree in the first couple of years you're going to have some branching out where you don't want it, it gets a little higher. And then forever you've got the canopy and the There's some light little small trees that don't get in the way. But it could be really nice because you have such a simple, modern look that you have it offset by something kind of... No, I agree. I'm not a pole story. I just think realistically. I'm not sure that 10 feet we have. So 10 feet to the sidewalk. 10 and a half feet. And that's I'll say that's from here to there. And we have this much and we have a four foot quarter. So I mean, conceivably is there something there? Maybe. I do have a dream in front of my house. Do we need to walk? 88? It's just accessibility. Because if we didn't have to walk then we could create a little scale. Well, you know, technically technically the unit at the back has its side entrance and that qualifies and we can qualify its compliance. So that's beautiful little miniature trees and they're so nice. I don't take a lot of room at all. You can fit them right in there. Oh, what kind? Tell us. What kind are they? I don't know. We've lost the landscape member of our crew. But if you let me go, I can find out and come back and tell you. Or we can call you. Like I said, we're not close to it. They're nice. They're not inexpensive. Is it Japanese? Yeah, it's like a Japanese maple. And I've got one. Well, six feet of snow on it right now. But they're very nice and you're right. They're sort of waves. They don't grow really wide. We'll get past you with a couple. That's okay. As a matter of fact, you're right. If that were all planted in the front, I mean, I'm sort of rethinking the walk thing. The walk thing to me was like, okay, this unit one is accessible from both ends. However you want to get into it, you can get into it. If you want it, you want to get in the front. You want to go on the side. You want to go on the side. You want to go into the garage. You can do that too. Yeah, but I think, you know, if we have one way to get there. No, I see. There's a step. You need a garage. Or if we have the walk as a side as opposed to the one to the front. Right down at the top of drawing Z04, that sloped walkway for unit one that takes you back in. Right here. You have to go out on the street to get back. No, no, no. The sidewalk. Yeah. No, no, no. Then inside there. Yes, what I'm saying. If somebody, you know, I get it. I'm saying you need it. Because it's an ABA requirement. Okay, so then we should focus on what we can put on the strip in that area. And what? Call your guy. You got a guy, right? Yeah. Our key guy Enforced a year ago. One other thing. Two other things. First is lead checklist and narrative. Which we require as an EDR element. So that is the additive. To the application. And I have a couple technical things. Joe, just for your time. On your plan. And I may not just be reading it right, but on A01 and A02. You're not showing doors into your master bedroom 2 or to the master bathroom. So that's really not within the board's perspective. We're going through the window. We care about the exterior of the building. But, you know, that's for your next project. Oh, yeah. You know, build it like that. Sure the plan is to have a plan. That's okay. If you do a lot of these. Just this design. We've worked on this for a long time. Just this one. Could you read it for me? The lead checklist? I didn't see it. No? There is one. You know, I took this. This is lead version for new construction major renovation. There's a million of them. But this one corresponded. I found one for multi-family. Mid-rise and multi-family. And I couldn't find it again. And this one looked the same as that one. So this checklist this narrative was based upon that. And I'm sorry you didn't get it. It's good that you did it. Do you need what? It's in the computer. I can make as many as you want. I can distribute it to the board. I can scan it if you want. Great. Sorry about that. Because there was an initial review. Carol did this initial review. Right. And we took that. And that's what generated the sort of some of the additional pages that we did. One thing addressed lighting. Another one was fleshed out the landscape a little bit more. The lead narrative was part of what we prepared. And that was one other thing. What was it? Oh, drainage and water management. That's why I don't remember. Because it's not my favorite. I do have cut sheets on the lines. I apologize. I thought I cut that sheet. Did you have a cut sheet? Yeah. I can scan these and distribute these to the board as well. But I'll pass them around. I'll take a look. Get that back to me. I'll after you distribute it. Because the lighting is shown on the landscape plan. They're just little elements that are off of the side. They're shown on the first floor. They're little things that are sticking out the sides. No, no, no. That one are the ones that look over the parking. And then there might be a sheet on there. The cylinders are outside of the unit entry doors. And doors are going up to the deck. It's here right there. And here are the elements. Here. There's the cylinder. The cylinders are on each balcony. The cylinder. Yeah. The cylinder. The cylinder. Okay. Yep. And then the other ones. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay. That's an old one. This is a new one. And you guys can share. Look at the new one. They're all cut up. O-W-A-L-S-K-I. I got it. Good. So what's the fence that separates the parking from the backyard? What's it made of? Same fence as the perimeter fence. It's here it is. It drops down to four feet. Yeah. The perimeter fence and the recycling and trash enclosure is a six-foot tall Cedar board fence at the lattice top. That's on page zero four. The very bottom. Yep. What does it look like? Does it have a six-foot hold? It has a little trellis at the top. Yes. That goes all the way around the whole thing. Yes. Northerly side. I see, yeah. It's six feet high all the way around. Yep. How does that look? Is it like a low part? I think I know what it is. But it just reminds me of that. Well, and then between the two poles it's usually a six-foot and then you get the vertical boards here. Right. And then the cross pieces here and then cross diamond down. Yeah, actually diamond is better. So it gives you a little more light, a little bit of scale to the fence. It gives you privacy, but it's a little more open. That's nice, yeah. Unpainted or natural or what's your... No wrong answer, I think. Yeah. If you give me a bite of your apple I'll let you... I'll let you open. I see the problem. I haven't thought about it. I mean, they are senior. Could go either way. To let them win themselves and win better. To them? Turn gray, you know, that's the problem. And now, who can go in the back if I'm just private for the patio for being one? We've actually debated that question. That's a good one. We think that at the moment it's probably everybody but that it's utility will be a unit one. We have to have another intro. I think these people... We could come down the back stairs and just have a little... Oh, yeah. Back here. You're right next to somebody's living here every time. Well, and also every time you put out the tarantula get your bite. You're right next to this guy. He goes here. And that's really dedicated to you. So, could you point to the material in there? It is on the cover. That's one. This is actually a building in Cambridge. And that's it? That's the material? That's the material, yeah. It's a foot and a half by six foot module. So there'll be verticals in this thing? There are verticals, yes. Is it kind of a running bond? Not running bond. It'll be stacked. Oh, they're stacked? This is a solid color. This is one that's solid. Yeah, we wouldn't check it. Okay, so it's stacked? Yes. This is it. There's no corner detail or any kind of... In other words, it's all flush like that. This one would have a corner. There is a corner detail. There's a corner piece that goes in there. And that's the one that I want to have slightly different color, too. Where is that in that picture? It's right on the scene. It's there. It is. It's about three inches. Oh, it's a little three inches. But does it stand proud of the material? No, it's flush. That's only on one side. That's on the side of the joint. So you're saying it wraps the corner? Yes. It's a three inch angle. Oh, it's an angle. Okay. And you want to use that word, you said? Some of the corners. Anywhere else? Just around all the corner. Where are the corners? It looks good. You like it? Oh, yeah, but you have to have it. It's part of the... I'm talking about the rep. I said they're not recommending that anymore. Why? That they shouldn't use. I don't know why. The corners aren't used anymore? No, no, they're not corners. People might... We're doing something different. And then the colors are... Are you going to show us the actual colors? Or can we get a hold of those from there? The colors are up to me. They're paint colors. Because it would be good to get the colors... to us. We usually get to see the material. One of the things we see is the actual material. This is good to see a picture of it, but it's a simple color range here. It would be great to see that. There's no horizontal in your mind. Like this one. There is. So that's on here. It's a different shade. It's a different shade. There's no bands. There's no bands. No bands here. Can you see how they have the white band? Yep, yep. I think there has to be something like that. Oh, really? There's a band in there. You can give them any color. You can give them any color. No, no, no. It's a different shade. It's a different color. It's something like that. When it has its own... Expansion. The horizontal, up and down. Does it? Expansion is what we know here. I'm going to write up quite a bit on this. You can pick any color. You can give them a vengeance or more. Yeah, yeah. What do you call it? A palette. A formula. A show of wheels. What do you think they do? They color horizontally. Oh, no. Really? Is that on the back? Is that it? That's a system. It's made out of what again? Five or something. Five or something. What are you doing to my budget like this? You can get it in stone. Yeah. Marvel. The building in Cambridge, that you saw that Joe did that you liked, does that have this material? No. That's a stuck one. That's when I first made my... Brookford Street? Brookford Street. I thought it was the same material that Gordon might have a chance to watch. What's the cornice made out of? The overhang? I'm glad about that. Probably something painted something compatible. Maybe not. It probably would be a wood. Could be. The ceiling of it. The ceiling of it. The ceiling of it. The ceiling of it. And the windows are painted. Are they wood? They'll be clad. They'll be clad? Okay. And painted clad, but then painted a color, right? Looks like you've got a darker color in contrasting. I was going to go with black. They look like the same color as the cornice. I mean the overhang. Out of all the colors you've talked about, Joe, I think that black sounds pretty good. Isn't that softer up top? Absolutely. Are you talking about the bottom part of the overhang that you were describing earlier? Is that going to get wet? Is it going to get wet? No. Underneath it. I was just noticing when you guys pointed out the roof plan, this guy might be pushed in a little bit so he's not pushing down on your overhang. Right. Oh, the condensers? Yeah, just so you don't see them and they get pushed down on your overhang. Unless that's not the overhang. Yeah, it is. But that's how I'm sure you can just shift them. They're not dimensionary. Except for getting a bedlam would be important. That's a three-bed room, but it was a mystery. I just think that the landscape would be nice to have. It's such a distinctive building that it's very contrasting. And it's a town of trees and kind of soft. It'd be nice to put something, I'm not saying put something standard. In fact, put something interesting there, like a Japanese something. That small cluster. Like really small birches. Something that really serves very well. A tree specimen of service berry maybe. Because those stay pretty small. You could go with the tall shrub type of service berry or just a single trunk service berry tree. Service berry? Also known as I've got three other names and I can get you the names. Because they might be more common. I've never heard of that. There's something original. You'll have a trellis with vines on it or something. I just like the plantings. I was going to say, we can espalier something on there, but whatever you do has got to get light. Save a lot of money on the exterior so you have a little more landscape. It's a signature building. Everybody wants it. I think what Andy is saying is I like the look of the building. I like the contemporary look and the flat roof and all those elements that are kind of, I would say non ornamental but in a good way. But here's a chance to add a little spark to just the way that we built it. I would like to have some color and some sprint on color or freeze a little bit. That would be awesome. The other thing is just the color palette that we have a chance that maybe it's part of the condition or something to look at the colors as you choose them. No problem with that. We usually get a palette of materials either with images or actual that we can take a look at. We're taking you off the case Joe, I've got to... I think that's just a money-lubist. It's a better plan. That doesn't get any jokes. I really like Andrew's idea though. You've got me going on this. I think you're absolutely right. You want something that's going to provide a little bit of scale but you can also see through it. Later. And I know I have a good sense of what you're going to do. You should leave now while you're ahead. Okay, that's it. Thank you, Andrew. Anything else? I didn't have anything to remember. No, I was going to say so. I'm going to figure out how to have a phrase in front of you. Exactly. I think that my sense is we're pretty happy with what we're seeing. I think there are a couple things that we would still like to see come in and I suppose we can do one or two things. We can continue it and actually see those things or we can grant the special permit subject to conditions that we would still have to review today. I think our commitment to that. We've had a sincere and long commitment to this and we want it to be as good as you want. I like the conditions as long as you don't think there are too many that you've got to do because we still have this winter that might never end again. That's a great answer. Right, we can... I hear a good authority that it's going to stop snowing. That's good that you're going to answer. That's right. Certainly conditions that we could knock off well before. It has to be before we do anything. Let's think out loud here and just think about what the special conditions would be so I think we still have to see the drainage and water management plan that's reviewed and approved by the town engineer. I understand we do have a lead checklist but I suppose we should just take a look at that before we have any chance to review it. Whether or not we're actually looking for a landscaping plan at this point, I'm not so sure, but we'd like to keep open the idea that we're some sort of dialogue about what type of landscaping we'll be on the front side of the building. I would say a revised landscape plan to be reviewed by staff. At that point they can alert somebody. Carol? Sure. So that you just have the obligation to come back and say what's the idea. I'm sorry, that last point. You want that to come back to the full board? No. They have the obligation to come back to you and you have the choice of alerting I guess Andrew that you've received it and do you think it's in the spirit of what we're asking? Sure. To revise landscape plans to be reviewed by staff. Should the lead checklist be reviewed by staff? Yes. Actually that's pretty good. Oh and then the color palette. And sample building material. And ore. I mean if you have a really good photograph of how it works, ideally actual sample would be great. At least it's not 50 shades. Three shades are great. That's all we can have. Don't care where you're going. The lighting that seems to be fun. What about the lead checklist? How are you going to address that? Okay, so I have forwarded that to Carol. She's going to review it on behalf of this group and there might be something that comes back to us out of that. Right. Alright. I'll take a stab at this. I move that the Promptory Development Board grant a special permit to LLLC with respect to EDR docket number 3476 subject to the general conditions that appear with all of our special permits and the following special conditions. One, a drainage and water management plan shall be reviewed and approved by the town engineer. Two, a revised landscaping plan shall be submitted to the director of planning for her review and approval consistent with the discussion tonight. Three, the lead checklist submitted for the project shall be reviewed by the director of planning for her review and approval consistent with tonight's discussion. And four, the applicant will submit a color palette and sample of building material for the board's review and approval or to the director of planning. The director of planning. And amend that to read to the director of planning. With the same phrase. Yeah. With the discussion tonight. Do we need to reference the plans? They would be dated 16th February. Yeah, is that all good? We can give you all ours. I'll make you more. Oh, not this one. I'll move it up. This is the list of the materials that are part of the application. Okay, good. So it would be part of it. Three or four pages. That's what I mean. The full thing read. Yeah, so it's that one right there. I'm going to take this. And note the lighting. Good. Is that dated the 18th of February? On the top, top right? 60. That's what I thought you said. Now's the time to be sure. NASA, yes. I second. All in favor? Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I think it's going to be a great project. Yeah, I think it's going to be a great project. Yeah, I think it's going to be a great project. Especially if I live at 26 and those awful apartments right in the back kind of away from the road. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, yeah. I post college days at 26 and I'm in at Cambridge. There's more modern ones. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Working concrete. Find an opportunity to buy one for $20,000 20 years ago. That's a good idea. Thank you, thank you all. Have a good night. We'll serve it well. Great. There's been like a gap too. Yeah. We'll keep that. No, this is yours. Okay. But you'll bring in with the samples whatever you want to bring in. Thank you. Master Plan Town Meeting Declaration, et cetera. Carol. So we have a warrant article that distributed along with a draft resolution. The warrant article I'm just going to take a minute to put away the difference just concluded. So I distributed some draft language to the resolution. The warrant article itself is to see if the town will accept, receive or resolve to endorse Master Plan. Adopted by the Arlington Redevelopment Board or take any action related there too. So accept, receive or resolve to endorse those are different actions that Town Meeting could take. This resolution language proposes that the action would be a resolution. There are different conventions I'm going to lean a little bit on Mike here to tell me a member. There are different conventions for how for the type of presentation and the duration that the presentation gets to be based on whether a report is accepted or simply received or whether the warrant article, whether the action is a resolution. The intention here is that the consultant and the co-chairs and the redevelopment board this is now the redevelopment board's plan the redevelopment board adopted the master plan downtown policy. So this is really your warrant article but because we have the co-chairs at your disposal as well as the master plan consultant to answer any questions it's not an action where where the body would be asked to approve for a second time the point of this is that so many of the implementation steps have to go to Town Meeting so many things on this shopping list, on this agenda for future action would take many visits back to Town Meeting so for that reason this is like opening it's a prelude to future action so that's why this is formed as a resolution I could read I don't know if you want me to walk through the whole thing, you've probably read it yourselves so I think the first question is does the board agree that the resolution is the right action what's the first item so if I can just talk about your first point which is you know, different times for what you do and everything else because we've done this as a true warrant article I don't think it matters whether we do the accept, receive or resolve to endorse right now because unless you were to go no action on this article and then you know, just present it as a report under article 3 at that point then there wouldn't be any debate it would just be is it received or not received and you could present it you could still present it but there wouldn't be any debate or talk so I think that's why we kind of made the initial move to doing it as a warrant article versus that because along the way we've always been talking about town meetings endorsement of the work that the master plan advisory committee has done so so I think from that perspective personally I think the resolution is probably the best vehicle for what it is that we're going to try to do because everyone will be scratching their heads on while if we're just receiving a report why aren't we doing it under article 3 like what are we doing so I do think this is probably the best way to approach it so that's just for my town meeting experience that's helpful and the committee master plan advisory committee did think long and hard about whether it would be just simply a report received and they really thought that it would it was right to allow town meetings some discussion to make sure that town meeting members were fully familiar with what the master plan is and is not so with this resolution there can be debate yes people can but and changes within the scope okay changes to the vote not to the plan correct correct and that is important I think that's something that we probably you know in presenting the resolution need to you know spell out that it's what town meeting is doing is endorsing the act of the board in adopting the plan the work of the volunteers and so on and there's a lot in the plan you know asking the town to endorse every single aspect of the plan it's sort of an action of the board and thumbs up or thumbs down in adopting it I think that's right I think it really needs a lot of you know what we talked about after the hearing when you know when we said geez we've been dealing with this for so long for the past two years that we forgot to really explain the basics of the master plan what it is what that means you know I think that that's going to be vital and maybe we can tweak some language in here to help with that but I think really that's more going to be part of the presentation more it is and I think the text is fine I think it's about just how does the presentation work are you going to put the slides up and go through these board points I think we can have a few slides my feeling is that we don't want to make too much out of a power point I think it would be better to have some real eye contact from the you know I believe that the way this works the board would would get up first and then introduce Judy Barrett and ask co-chairs of the master plan advisory committee to help explain it a little bit but that I think you really have some freedom there and how to choreograph that presentation I think you don't want to run the risk of having people's eyes glaze over and a power point I just want to make sure they understand what it is and this explains it pretty well at the bullet point what is it? it's not a resolution of any of these recommendations you have to explain that it's our path our agenda I think all this stuff about how it was produced I think this is a great summary but is there a way to before it goes off into six different people what's this why am I even looking at this we're going to do a load of groundwork maybe all of these bullet points are up on the wall just one slide I actually think that it's there's no thought how's the master plan being distributed these days on a website we're actually doing there were some a set of conditions or changes I should say that the board adopted with the plan those are going to be actually incorporated into the document tomorrow because of some snowstorms that was postponed then there is a seven page summary that is almost finished that will be distributed that will be mailed to all town meeting members and that's will also be on the website and it will be used as a handout when we do four info sessions for town meeting members and the general public but it's really intended but it's intended as an opportunity for town meeting members who want to get familiar before town meeting is there an introduction on the master plan itself and the adoption of it by the redevelopment board in that handout as well as the fact that the master plan does not there's a call out box on what it is not that statement I believe I mentioned to the board that we borrowed from another town that I thought was a pretty good explanation of what a master plan isn't well I hope LA some concerns legitimate concerns about well do we just give you car to spend funds no that's not what this is so there that's in the first paragraph it's too bad it didn't bring it's still in draft form so it's not finished piece but I'd be happy to distribute the draft to the board if you want to see that I can get that to you tomorrow morning what's that going to print I'd like it to go to print this week the first session is March 10th so we'd like to have that ready for to handout I mean in light of that maybe you don't put anything up on the wall yeah I think you got to be a little bit careful in having Judy present at the meeting because I'm not sure that's the right thing because it could get very detailed very quickly and frankly for no other reason than you have seven minutes yes and I don't know that we're you know really want to say okay this is going to be a half hour or whatever else I mean maybe maybe we do but we better plan that out pretty well you know I think I think you should use your seven minutes wisely and maybe ask for 15 but even then it's not the type of thing where you want to offer it up as ask anything about this yeah it's an interesting sort of middle ground that you have to walk you have to feel like you're giving people enough information about the plan right so maybe they don't feel like well what is it I'm voting on but at the same point you know because you know once you begin people begin to get into this topic by topic the debate will go on for nine days and I think again you know this is a preliminary type of table setting type of document which is eventually going to lead to many more specific proposals over the years that don't have a chance to discuss etc in a lot of detail so that's the challenge it's to give to flush it out so people understand what it is at the same point not encourage you know the sort of delving into the minutiae right do you have and I guess we'll see it but on the seven major that you're putting together summary do you have like right up at the top where the full master plan can be found I'd put that like if it's not on the cover we can put the URL in the cover I'd put it somewhere like very easy to find and with a pretty easy URL because I think that's you know how you really want to articulate it's like look it's a big hunk in document seven major go here yeah it'll probably be owned to MA.gov slash planning and we'll have link to it on that page yeah yeah get it as high up as you can I think that the a good part of the seven minutes should be really focused on the resolution what is the resolution what are we asking town meeting to resolve endorsement is to yeah I think sorry but I think that what you do nicely in here is talk about what you've done the work that was put into it and I think that's how you use your time you know you say this is the work that was done this is the group that did it have them up in the balcony and point you know and say and hundreds of people were interviewed and to kind of say you know the process existed and it was well publicized and it was well attended you know and it was inclusive yeah it was inclusive those are the real important things to talk about I think you've done it really well oh I think so it's almost like a summary of this these are the points you want to hear yeah the only paragraph I might play with a little bit is the first now therefore and you know flip some things around I commend to people first I commend the impact you know commends master plan advisory committee the work of the master plan advisory committee and many volunteers residents and professional staff members and considering you know that I'd actually move the endorsement after the commendation and endorses the action of the redevelopment board in adopting the plan say that again I mean I'm not I like the notion of commending folks from the get go verses oh I see so commend and then put their endorsement at the end yeah and I commend the first people I would commend is the master plan advisory committee it commends the work of the master plan advisory committee and the many I guess other volunteers residents and professional staff and considering the cost of our talent might be another series of recent steps and then you could say and endorses or you could make it a separate or you would like to keep it okay I don't I understand and endorses you could say the action of the redevelopment board or you could say the adoption of the I guess the action of the redevelopment board in adopting the master plan yeah sort of that paragraph right in adopting the master plan the Arlington master plan the Arlington master plan and then the only other thing we could think about doing there is I was going to say master plan as the described the master plan the endorsement yeah I think that's fine that's a good edge the outline the master plan is findings existing conditions outline of issues and then recommendations in each of the areas implementation steps and dependencies in the area whereas community meetings and then the next one whereas extensive work in there just the highest level reflection of yeah I wanted to say involved in hundreds of other it reflects the town's input whereas this input reflects and then somehow it's a matter of reference those main areas of the master plan in this verbiage well that's in the next paragraph detailed okay so detailed recommendations that one but you have to say findings first what's the first existing condition since we're doing a baseline analysis of existing conditions and current challenges maybe just throw that just so they know just determining what is Arlington what do we have what does the community want to go to the point of a very extensive understanding of our town spend a lot of time on that first third of the process right so wish I could get that in there somewhere so people kind of reinforces to elaborate on the word just the word or two what do you mean direct involvement to determine existing condition and understand towns to desires or something like that that's the right word community's desires that's dangerous maybe dangerous but that's what we were after we were trying to find out what we have and then have the town say this is important that's not important all that kind of stuff and then we went then to current challenges so the way the master plan is right now is existing conditions key issues, challenges and then potential resolutions what do we call them? so you're saying whereas extensive work was devoted to documenting current or existing documenting existing conditions comma, performing baseline analysis or analyses of the current challenges or comma as well as performing baseline analyses of the current challenges and changes facing Arlington can you do it there? I was trying to do it in the outreach one because no, no, you're right it could go there whereas extensive work was devoted to documenting yes, yes existing conditions performing baseline analysis performing baseline analyses and then I would say and then defining current challenges or eliciting current performing baseline analysis of current challenges analyses of current challenges I think if you take out the thought, it actually flows a little bit better baseline analyses of current challenges and changes facing Arlington it's actually pretty good just a word here and then on the next one I actually think in these two paragraphs I guess I wouldn't mind loosening them up a little bit right now you've got whereas detailed recommendations have been mapped around seven policy areas and that begs for getting into the details I would get rid of detail but my question is are they called recommendations? they're not guidelines? they're called recommendations okay so I get rid of the word detailed and then on the next whereas these recommendations have been expressed in a multi-year implementation plan consisting of more than 85 so if we think on this one we need to think about this a little bit because consisting of more than 85 specifics to be considered by various town boards, committees you almost want to say committees, professionals to have and of course town meetings it needs a it needs an ultimately town meeting and ultimately town meeting which I guess by putting in conditions or something in this one, yep so that if you actually wanted to yellow it you'd say existing conditions, recommendations, implementations, so in there you would have gotten the thought subtly okay and so when you talk about it you can say ultimately just try this on for size whereas these recommendations have been expressed in a multi-year implementation plan consisting of I would actually consider and I know it's to show all the hard work that everybody did and I think it's great that they did it but I would delete more than 85 specifics and I would say whereas these recommendations have been expressed in a multi-year implementation plan consisting of actions to be considered by various town boards, committees, professionals, staff and comma ultimately town meeting because once again you're just kind of begging for the weeds you're just begging so you would just add the word ultimately before town meeting comma ultimately that's very good that's like taking it out good I wonder not to just as a quick aside it might be a good idea to be able to communicate with the co-chairs going forward if we have an opportunity for co-chairs to be on a future agenda with the board possibly even next week to discuss a little further about the presentation and how you see that working another thought would be if someone's willing to do that as a delegate to the chair I wouldn't do it next week and I think that's not when you want to do a discussion on the presentation just bear that in mind we can discuss this point whether to delegate or to discuss with the committee I think you can talk about that next week but I don't know how you might coordinate with them our typical way of handling the articles is to do mini, mini, mini mo around the table and choose that's been the usual what the chairman would want to do you're going to do the discussion I'll definitely have a role in that discussion some member of the board the chair will introduce this and then probably do a hand off to the co-chair the heart and soul of the director of planning made the connections between the board and the advisory committee personally I wouldn't want you speaking about it I'm happy to speak about it I think that the co-chair of the master plan advisory committee will probably just want to know how involved who goes first and second just the mundane choreography of that yeah before we leave the resolution I just noticed on the last where as before you get to the now therefore it's just where okay maybe sorry I keep on bringing things up the last be it further resolved that town meeting looks forward to active participation continued open process I'll go in public participation as the master plan proceed I wonder whether we should put participation it's almost like should we put in that where as clause consideration of the specific kind of go back to what we set up here which is that there are specific actions that will ultimately need to come to town meeting that town meeting looks forward to active participation on the community as the implementation public participation period comma and town meeting consideration of implementation right as well as continued open process incorporated I think if you did that right so you say that town meeting looks forward to active participation and consideration specific actions as well as continued open process participation has implementation of the master plan proceed yeah okay so inserting after and before okay the phrase consideration of specific actions to be taken comma as well as right that's right you don't need the end or the end goes before the consideration which end you put that right in between the end and the uh okay perfect alright this is a really small point but just on the wordsmithing I would go with continuing instead of I just think it's sending more of a subtle message that this if you do that then as well as continuing the open process I think it's the continuing the open process if you're going to use continuing I think no or are you saying as well as the continuing open process I think it's going to as well as the I would say continuing the open process consideration of specific actions taken as well as continuing the a continuing open process a continuing open process I think that's right as well as a continuing open process continuing open process incorporating I mean we're getting to yeah it's not that important I'll just let it go I think it's just that as well as continuing the open process I think if you just put the I like that better continuing the open process and incorporating ongoing public participation continuing the open process and incorporating I'll just incorporating okay good I don't know it just seems like you want to put all of the you know you want to make sure that it's yours ultimately it's yours we're going to have to bring things to you and I think that's the thing we're going to need to stress again so we have these sessions for committee members and the public and I'd like to have you thinking about whether you would be willing to attend one so give it some thought if you think you're ready to commit now I'll pencil you in it's these are all evenings seven o'clock and if you want give me a call or you should me an email if you're interested or you want to find out more about what this would entail I think the staff would be doing a lot of addressing some specific questions after brief presentation kind of going through some selective recommendations and addressing what the process was what the plan is what's going to unfold moving forward so I think the board's role would be to talk more about what the board's role was and is you'll be doing more planning going forward you'll be doing more analysis you'll be doing more area planning with the staff you will be interacting with implementation committee would be I expect that there will be some members of the master plan advisory committee who will be interested in serving on the implementation committee so give it some thought if you want to please add one comment second line the sentence that begins the board can see I think that we just named the word that the board can see that the signs are helpful did you say this is page two the big paragraph second one the board can see that the signs otherwise excellent actually I don't think the grant actually went through but they were fine I'll pass along you're doing well I mean thank you too I'll move to approve the minutes of the February 4th 2015 as amended as amended second who's seconded sorry can you talk about the sheet on the agenda on the least Carol can we talk about the school in 23 minutes that's okay let me see that would be a new business I think I might have that on my desk so I can answer any questions I had one question and maybe it was our team put together but do we not ask for security deposits we haven't I don't think that would come up but it's a reasonable question and there's nothing to prevent you from asking for a security deposit in this instance two of the occupants would be new tenants who have never paid around before so I can see the wisdom of it that was the only question that I had my only questions were did they do their own measurements and came up with 253 one of the tenants did measure the space and came up with something different than what we had from our old plants then we had staff measured again and they came up with a third dimension so we would like to go with our building craftsman's dimensions which is the 253 or is that the 263 263 that's okay I guess the only other question I had is so MRWA the Mr. River watershed came back and they came back with one and a half with two year option one and a half years just isn't that long is the thought that they're going to be looking to get out of there what was the behind the one and a half years because frankly one and a half years doesn't really yeah it's not much of a I think it's more that they in their experience here have not paid rent before and they want to make sure that they don't lock themselves into something so they probably want to stay longer yes they would like to stay they definitely would like to stay I think they want to since they don't have a real experience as an organization paying rent they wanted to be a little conservative in making the commitment and the option is theirs not ours we don't usually make the leases the tenant that well we do make extensions at the tenant's option but here again that's what they asked well no I'm just wondering what they what they mean by with two year optional extension it was just whose option is it you know look for that to see how it's phrased I think it's phrased the way our extensions are typically phrased but I'll get that to you okay so they just took the so I see in the lease the model lease the town the ARB gives notice to the tenant a year before the term ends okay and then the tenant has the right to accept or reject it for two or three months after the notice is given I believe okay by the end of September I think they have to say okay yes we will sign up for another two years okay okay so NFI they're looking for the five year extension so they're looking for a ten total if it all goes well does staff have any issues with the thought of a ten year commitment I would like for the extensions to be consistent with the three tenants oh well I would like we it was an oversight when the RFP was prepared one of the RFPs had two year extensions one had something different I just would like to with the exception of Mr. River Watershed Association unless they want the longer extension I would like for both of the other leases to have the same extension five years may be more than you want to conduct I think what we have in the model lease is two so you're going to scale you're going to seek to scale NFI back to two year I don't think it's important one of the recommendations of the master plan is for the town to do a space needs analysis and there's another recommendation that's we shouldn't be hanging on to property we all use and don't need fact is we get a good rent from that building and that subsidizes other buildings that house multiple town and community functions what I say community I don't mean nonprofit organization necessarily but community meetings volunteer and statutory board and community meetings are that's an important focus for those meetings same with Jefferson Cudderhouse so there's also a very strong argument to be made to hold on to 20 maple streams I can't the point is since we are proposing that we look at our space needs we might not want to be locked in for a long, long time but at the same time we are borrowing to repair that building so we want to I think we want to hold on to it long enough to pay back the borrowing so to conclude I think that a five year five and five sounds okay but yeah especially with the borrowing I think that's actually a relatively good point and we do have lots of experience years and years of experience with this tenant it passes prologue I think there's some stability we can expect okay and so you're comfortable with Mystic River being one and a half years I mean I guess it's not much the objective was to start was to bring these spaces under procurement law to get some revenue which we would get if they decided oh gee we really can't make this stop then I even think that it would be a painful parting but if they and the board felt like we need to use that space for revenue we will work with you while you relocate that kind of if that was the direction that went assuming Mystic River at that point realized they couldn't afford the rent there are I think it's a space that could be attractive to other organizations I think you would be able to get a tenant for it I hope that doesn't cut the pass but when you're considering what ifs they realize they're going to have to take up that 2 year option within 6 months I mean it's a it's a short window it's a short window for them to figure it out but it's fine I guess I'll be happy to have a little dialogue with them about whether they realize that it's a 6 month trial I should say trial but it really is they're trying to explore whether in 6 months it needs to be done as far as 3 and a half years I might want to consider 3 years with a 2 year option I'll be happy to present that to them yeah it just seems really quick yeah so 3 years with a single 2 year option or well I mean we could do 2 year options too but I think the main focus should be on what the initial term is and as Mike says it's a short window for them to determine whether or not they want to exercise that option and the problem is procurement to a large degree right I mean because you're just going to have to you know do the procurement and walk right away we put these RFPs on the state register I think if they worse than worse they can't stay to a broader right exactly because we only got a single and because you didn't really yeah yeah so those were my comments on I just think that one was just a little short good points let me look into that with the Director of the Watership Association was that the only thing sounds great anything else I'll move to adjourn all second all in favor thank you