 So, we have, and just to say like, where people can start, we have, we actually have five of the six, we're still struggling with the Arabic but that's another story. But of course the first place is figuring out which language version we're going to go with. So, some of the ideas, you know I'm thinking about is annotation strategies like you have something this project's going on it's like, wait a minute, I'm involved with this kind of we are I'm doing this this open textbook I'm involved in this team effort. And I think there's going to be a place to hang my project here and I think that's valid. And I think that might be one of the hooks is for people to say like, put something in that that they're focusing on that they're doing research on. There's nothing wrong with that because it'd be great to have people plug in their academic scholarly community activities, where they fit and support the recommendation. I think about is you kind of come in and you're going to, I'm going to scroll down and scroll down and scroll down a lot of the intros. You could look at what other people have already annotated and add examples and that's certainly one thing but you know when we get down here into the recommendation, and I'm going to there's the capacity building and the areas of action. You know, we've had some annotation here so I'm thinking about. And I had this laid out before, and yeah the inclusive and equitable we are things so I was looking at this one part here that I'm highlighting this section be supporting our state college develop gender sensitive culturally and linguistically relevant or and to create local language or a particular in indigenous language which are less used under resourced and endangered. So I think what you don't want to do is what I have here you don't want to like annotate that whole phrase because there's so much in here so I think part of the understanding is like getting very specific. Would you say so Rami, what would you annotate out of this section. And there's a lot here and I agree that even with my students in a kind of course context and I'm always you know remind them like, one of the beauties with this particular tool and the social annotation practices at the granularity of what we call the anchor text or whatever that you've highlighted can really be quite small. And so rather than, you know, selecting entire paragraphs maybe there's just a word or two that really again bring some nuance to that particular phrase. So yes, I mean you're right here, you know, this is quite a quite a phrase to unpack right and there's just so much in here but again I think it speaks to the nature of the document and so this becomes, maybe, you know if I'm going to pull out a little bit of a literary analogy here the difference between telling versus showing right the recommendation is telling us this it's telling us to support OER stakeholders as they develop this right. So the question becomes like well who's done gender centered sensitive you know or development who's done work it is culturally, you know, linguistically relevant, right, who can share an example of an OER that's in a particular you know local language or an indigenous language. And this is where we might again proactively reach out to folks and invite in that example, or I could also see this, you know kind of crossing into social media in some respects by saying like, Hey, like, do you have an example of, OER that's, you know, culturally and linguistically relevant. If so, like reply to this tweet. Now, without getting, you know, belaboring the technical side of this here, if someone who isn't open educational, you know, advocate or practitioner shares an example on Twitter, well, that tweet could be linked to and your job Alan or somebody else, this case could actually be to curate that and to say, highlight just the words, culturally and linguistically relevant OER, and say a great example was shared by so and so here's their tweet. And then this hypothesis annotation thing which some people might not feel comfortable again, joining could point to somebody's example let's say on Twitter, where that again is a more, let's say, you know, everyday social media environment where people are like, Oh, here's an example and here's an example and then the evidence that is curated here points to examples that way and so again I see that there is one that needs to be pretty particular about identifying the examples, maybe working in other digital spaces to elicit those examples that having someone serve as a bit of a curator or a facilitator saying, here's an example that points over here. If someone's not again willing to take the 30 seconds to create a free hypothesis account, you know, and add in their own annotation which I get I also get that to them. Yeah, that is, I'm going to run with that idea because also because you because every annotation has a unique URL so you can draw people into say like look we really we're looking for specific things that demonstrate gender sensitive, relevant OER and because there's obviously so much out there like just this one sentence could could be bombarded with that too many annotations problem. And so when I was, you know, when I was thinking about this because I'm trying to do some little demo videos to talk about this process. I just did some searching and I ended up on this Afghanistan digital library that's of OER is that's like in six different Arabic languages in Afghanistan. And then I'm wandering down this rabbit hole they have a whole project where they make this entire resource available as a standalone install for use in places where internet connectivity is low and that's another. I don't want to down the page in terms of the recommendation but like, you know just in looking for the things in the discovery I think that's where and I think, I don't know whether Paul or my colleague Isla has thought we're talking about making this into an OER itself. Well, I think that's important. So here's what this is great Alan and this is why I love deepening the conversation because here we are about 40 some odd minutes into this conversation and I'm actually, this is why it's so good to think together to make your screen visible, as I'm realizing that maybe the purpose of this annotated version needs to be very clearly framed for those people who you see as contributing, even just to the annotations and so again, I've been thinking about this to some degree as kind of like a conversation space and I think I've said that in a variety of different ways even in this discussion is like, well here's a place where advocates and practitioners of open education could kind of show up. It's almost like let's say a happy hour, or like a brunch, and people are getting together and they're going to just kind of riff and talk about open education in all of its various manifestations, using the recommendation as that source text. Now that's a little bit more free form. It actually might lack some of the examples that you're looking to elicit, and it may create after the Paul's point earlier, just actually a lot of noise that although maybe inspiring or maybe kind of very collegial might not really provide some of the evidence some of the examples that you really wish to highlight. And so a very different purpose of this annotated version of the recommendation, maybe to actually be a space that curates. The recommendation is less about discussing it, or even discussing how wonderful open education is or how problematic it can be or how just challenging it is to really do it, whatever it is, but rather to say if we need examples of OER, that is in this case, gender sensitive, that's the phrasing here. I want to help curate other people's examples of that and really use this actually as a hub that curates examples and evidence, and maybe some of the complexities associated with this. And that's a very different purpose for annotating the document. And it's a very different reason why other readers would want to visit this, and then access the layer of annotations. Other readers might want to access this, not as then a future participant in the conversation, but they might want to access the annotated version, because they're looking for more information. They're actually looking for a kind of central hub of some of this to really again show and not just tell. I'm going to ask Paul maybe to speak, because we are going, there's a reason we're doing all this. It's kind of a year long effort or more, but in terms of actually making sure that this recommendation becomes something that's implemented, that we see in the world that actually has action. You know, parts of it do, but we're trying to go towards something that can synthesize some meaning direction of this but I'm trying to like put some words out there. But maybe we do need to be more clear as to where we're going with this. And I really like that idea about it being that there could be a curatorial purpose behind the invitation to engage in the annotation activity. One observation I have is that you know there are five distinct action areas in this recommendation and when, even if we looked at in response to our call for proposals which our conference this year was focused on the UNESCO recommendation, you see lots of proposals coming in around capacity building, let's say, but hardly any coming in around sustainability. And so maybe curation can happen in the area of capacity building, but maybe we need discussion and a kind of different motivation for the action area that pertains to sustainability because there may not be a lot to curate currently and so, so it's sort of potentially segmentation of the recommendation into different categories.