 the TechCrunch disrupts here in London, and who are you? I'm Alvaro Rames, the head of the International Business Development of Moja. So Moja, you just launched Moja. Yeah. Are you all the team from Volkswagen? No, we are coming from different companies and from outside of Volkswagen, and we are based in Berlin, and that's it. Yeah. It says right here, you need the best talent, the most visionary minds. We need people who want to change the world with us, so new mobility moves, what is that? Well, mobility in urban areas is really changing. There are new services, obviously Uber is the most known of them, but there are many that are changing the way we move, and we have a vision of in 10 years or so, that all urban mobility is going to be autonomous, it's going to be electric, and it's going to be shared. So our goal is to build those services and to build also the vehicles that are going to give those services. That's a very ambitious goal, and we need very good people quite quickly, by the way. So, 2026 is going to be awesome, it's going to be an amazing world, right? Well, yeah. Where do we get until then? Because right now we have a company like Uber, which is completely awesome and amazing, for $100 billion or something, and you click and there's an Uber, so are you going in that direction? Are you going to work in that kind of market? We are already investing in Get, which is... 100 cities around the world with a very strong presence in Europe, and we are investing in different companies, also startups, and our goal is to really start also building internally cooling services for our new mobility, and yeah. So it's not going to be overnight, and there are going to be things that are going to work, and other things that do not work, but our goal is to try new services, yeah. Yesterday was a presentation by a CEO. All the harms, yeah. And he was talking about, I think, shuttle buses? Yes, that's right. What is that? Is it something you're doing already? We're building services, dynamic routing shuttle buses, so you order, you want to go from one point to another point in a city, and with a vehicle, which is a van, really, adapted to with Wi-Fi connection, leather seats, really comfortable, nice lighting, comes and picks you up. And then it does a route depending on the demand in the market, and you know, a very flat rate and very cheap. I think my mom says Volkswagen makes the best vans. Yeah. So that would be a van with like eight seats or something like that. We are considering different options, and also it's going to vary depending on the market, because obviously, for instance, then. Is it available? Yeah, well, that's how we're going to start, but we'll be building specifically design vehicles for these type of services, yeah. So I think I saw the CEO of Volkswagen, he did an announcement one or two months ago about all the electric cars that are going to come out. It's a big deal. Our goal is to have, the group will have about 30% of sales, which is about three million cars a year, fully electric, battery electric vehicles. Again, to 2025. That will include all type of vehicles, also include vehicles that will be shared between different clients, not only owned vehicles. Have you been in a self-driving car? No, I have not. It's pretty awesome. It's amazing, right? Yeah. But why don't we, I mean, Google has been talking about these for like six years. Yeah. Why are they not just in streets here? What are people waiting for? I think it needs support from the legislation. It needs support from many elements into the, how the city works. But it's going to be very, very fast. The thing is that as you highlighted before, it's not going to happen overnight. They're going to be already testing in cities like, in areas like Pittsburgh or Singapore. And little by little it's going to grow, but still a few years away. Because there's a lot of people dying in car accidents, we need to fix that. It needs to be lots of stuff done with it. Is that part of your also vision, is the security? The security, the improvement of the traffic and the environment. If you replace all current vehicles for electric vehicles, what you're going to reduce is the pollution in the city, but the traffic will remain the same. So you also need to have autonomous driving, which is going to increase the flow of that mobility and also shared. So there are less vehicles on the street. And that way also you get rid of the parking spaces in the city and there will be more space for people. And so it's Volkswagen, the biggest car company in the world? By number of vehicles, yes. It is the largest company in the world right now, yeah. So you have a big responsibility to do this. I mean, they have to support this because you can't just be the biggest and say, we don't care about the environment, we don't care about the mobility, we don't care. Well, we are transforming the company, which is a hardware company after all, and manufacture great vehicles into a service provider and mobility provider, which is a big transformation that other areas like PC makers, like IBM, did many years ago, transforming from a hardware manufacturer into a service provider. So it's more like the plan is maybe to work with some of, like you do with get, like it's kind of a place where there would be a bunch of startup ideas happening. It's not going to be one app, it's going to be a bunch of stuff. Yeah, we're looking into different startup opportunities and investments. We're looking into largest investments, but we are also looking into building our own product that we're needed. So you're putting resources into cool stuff, I guess. Yeah, yeah, we are putting... You don't want to talk about all of it. No, because some of them we don't even know yet. We have to build a lot of the strategy and the areas that we want to focus. This is a huge market, it's several trillion euros market, and we cannot cover everything. So we need to decide where is it that we are going to build, where is it that we're going to invest, and where is it that we're going to partner with other companies? Because Uber is quite cool, but there's a lot of Toyota Prius out there. There's not so many Volkswagen Prius, what do you call them? Is it also, the thought here is like, what's going on with all these Priuses? Let's do even better than that, because it's only hybrid. Let's go electric. Yeah, we believe that people will go directly into electric mobility. There's the challenge of the anxiety of the range of vehicles that is being overcome with longer-range vehicles, and also with better infrastructure. We announced just a week ago a big agreement with the biggest manufacturers in Europe to build the largest high-power charging infrastructure in Europe. And this is something we truly believe, and we're betting big for it. Nice, so you're investing in Volkswagen is fast charging? Yeah. But how about battery swap? I love the better place idea that was at once, where you would just drive in, and in one minute you swap the battery and continue. That's not what we are focusing, is we are considering the fast charging as the best solution for the needs of the customer. Then you have to sit and wait for 20-30 minutes in order to charge, which is fast, but still you have to wait. It is true, but if you are talking about autonomous driving, and you're talking about robotexies, the time that you're going to wait is not that one, it's the time that the vehicle comes to you. The vehicle should be already charged by the time you get it. All right, cool. Thank you.