 One's like having a hairstyle that is relatively contemporary does a lot Like if you're like a guy and you have hair have a hairstyle from the 70s, you're gonna look old You know, I saw a you know, not to name Retro cool now if it's from the 70s No, you'll never look cool. No, I mean 70s hairstyles have made a comeback Roger You should you should look into this now they have like what are they? Are you talking like? Well, well more guess more for women than men But like the long the long hair the long hair over the weekend And I won't out anybody but a friend of mine a guy who I hadn't seen and Hadn't been that long, but you know a little bit tight. He lives up in the Bay Area Some and I was like, wow, when did you go so gray? He just never had gray hair before and he all of a sudden had a lot of gray hair and he goes Well, I stopped dying it Decided not to care anymore. And I was like number one. It looks great. Mm-hmm. Number two. I just had no idea I I mean, I know men dye their hair, but I just never knew that It is it is funny with the things that people kind of do behind Yeah, you just don't realize no, no, there there is a secret society Men who dye their hair like it is it is a secret shame on a level that is not comparable with women where? hairstyles change Very often and very radically and it's kind of a part of culture a little bit more. Yeah, yeah Totally. Yeah, it's it's I I think I'm just sort of clueless All the male hair dyeing ads are all about like secretive You can just like Slowly phase in your hair color. So you don't just show up shock white on Friday and then on Monday you're jet black right And and you can tell I mean with women or men, but you know particularly with men It's like you can tell when it's like the color is not quite right You know and it's too uniform and you're like on I see what's going on there But but then I realized wow, there must be a lot of guys dyeing their hair And I just like it looks fine, and I just don't know any differently. I worked with a guy who did spray on hair Just so you wouldn't see the hair in a can. Yeah, I've seen it do it once that guy you're talking about mm-hmm He doesn't keep it a secret or anything, but I just don't feel it's my story to tell sure of course of course I dyed my hair right as my hair was going gray in my mid to late 20s because I was I was upset by how early the process was taking place and Which makes your hair grow gray faster when you get worried about it. Yeah, exactly, right? And so a friend of mine caught my hair in like the the bar light that we were at caught my hair at just the right angle Like stop me literally put one hand on each shoulder Positioned me back as if there was like a hidden treasure treasure map being illuminated above my head and said you dye your hair Don't you when I said yes, and I never dyed my hair again I'm like you want to know what like thank you for doing that because the shame of having to admit that To you is worse than how upset I was that I was going gray in my mid 20s And you she's probably other at we're no longer friends No, yeah, and we never spoke again. He's a nice guy. I Didn't Started going gray in my 20s, too. It's I wasn't happy about it, but you can't nobody nobody prepares you for that Everybody like like like like to act like these things happen in your 30s. No kids mid 20s. That's when they started happening I have no idea when I started going gray because I didn't have the beard Only I grew out the beard for the first time in 2010 and there was a big spot of gray right there on the chin And I was like, huh, look at that I'm sure I had gray hairs in on top of my head, too, but they just blended in so well I'm looking at on that. I'll probably get it right around 45 Hey, should we should we begin the show in 30 seconds? What show? The other show. Oh, we didn't we didn't we didn't just do the show. Okay, I thought okay It's a bonus bonus. Should we switch shows? I guess is what I'm saying. Yes Yes I think we should 15 seconds. Uh, Sarah, could you read line three, please? Sure. Thank you. You're a gem. I know Modest to The best at being modest four three two one Thanks, everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash supports This is the daily tech news for thursday october 11th 2018 in los angeles I'm tom merit and from studio fila and i'm sarah lane From from las vegas nevada with a frog in his throat. I'm justin robert young And uh, also with a slightly itchy throat, but in the la area. I'm roger chain Solidarity and throat itchiness today on daily tech news show. Uh, we're gonna talk about apple tv We have a leak that tells us what they might actually be planning We'll throw in a little bit of news about what turner and warner media are planning as well But let's start with a few other tech things you should know Samsung announced it's 6.3 inch galaxy eight nine the first quad camera phone people has a 24 megapixel main camera A depth sensing camera telephoto camera with two x optical zoom and a 120 degree Ultra-wide lens the front facing camera is also 24 megapixels It'll cost a 549 pound sterling which is around 724 u.s. Dollars when it launches in the uk in november Privacy oriented search engine duck duck go announced it it has reached 30 million daily searches up 50 percent year over year It took the company seven years to get to 10 million and two years to reach 20 million So the growth is accelerating duck duck go shows ads based on keywords being searched without needing to trace user behavior And apple is acquiring a part of dialogue Semiconductor including 300 of its engineers a bunch of patents some of its facilities All of the stuff related to the power management chips that apple uses in the iphone and ipad apple has used dialogue chips since the first iphone Dialogue will continue to focus on iot mobile automotive computing and storage markets as a provider of mixed signal Integrated circuit chips so apple isn't taking all of dialogue And in fact as part of the deal apple is committed to spending 300 million dollars to secure products from dialogue Over the next three years deal is expected to close in the first half of 2019 All right, let's talk a little bit about a surprising element of the pc market. Justin. Ah, yes Gartner's report shows microsoft broke into the top five PC vendors in the us and q3 for the first time Rising 1.9 percent Lenovo showed the largest growth at 22.2 percent and apple showed the largest decline at 7.6 percent while hp Remained on top growing 3.5 percent Gartner estimates that worldwide pc shipments rose 0.1 percent to 60 or 67.2 million units while idc estimates a Estimates a 0.9 percent decline to 67.4 million units Lenovo took the top spot worldwide from both gartner and idc Couple of the surprising things in there one the biggest one is microsoft breaking into the top five for the first time as a hardware maker They I wouldn't say microsoft downplays their hardware line But they often look at it as like these are examples. These are flagships. We're just trying to show the industry What can be done, you know, because they don't want to This is piss off all of their hardware partners. Basically Uh, so surface really at least in the united states catching on The other one is apple having a decline in macbooks And that one doesn't surprise me with the negative reception of the latest macbook pro and the slow pace of updates to the rest of the line Yeah, apple just this is not where their eye is right now But it does show that their influence is something that has shaped this market when people think about the best versions of products After apple success, they want to go where the software makers integrate directly with the hardware So it doesn't surprise me that microsoft has also found that this is something that microsoft customers that windows customers want If you're gonna get it get it from the source Although lenovo tops about worldwide taking it over in a couple of regions And and they are merely just hammering away at a core competency the competency they bought the pc unit from ibm so many decades ago at this point And they they've just continued to maintain that momentum ever since Sure. Well, you can't beat price in other apple news genius Announced a partnership with apple music to provide lyrics for songs in apple music It's now the official music player for genius and if you're logged into apple music when you visit the genius website You can play songs right from the genius song page New features are available both on the web and in ios for both services right now This is something that i will take advantage of uh, i i don't know about the rest of you But i tend to look up song lyrics pretty frequently and maybe it's just because I don't know. I like mumblecore raps. So i'm like, what is he saying? Yeah, what what was that line? But um, but i but i and you know genius obviously isn't the only place to get song lyrics if you google any You know anything that's that's lyric related you you get lots of options google itself is is one of them but but i also am an apple music user and I think that i particularly on ios I think that this is something i would actually take advantage of because if i'm already on the genius website And it's all just locked locked into my apple music subscription that i'm that that that is speaking to it I uh, I like this integration and for anybody who's like, what's genius it used to be called rap genius But now it's it's uh, it's it's expanded to annotations for lots of things are so so so this Is not just lyrics. These are also the annotations for the lyrics, right? Correct. Yes, because that's that's the that's the value Yeah, it's the lyrics context Yes, and so that if you're unfamiliar with with what rap genius started as There are many illusions and And maybe sneak disses or or various other context related Things that are in rap lyrics. That's where it started. It's now spread out to all music But it has a very rich user generated almost wikipedia-esque community of people that have But annotated what all these lyrics mean and I think that it's it to me has been an invaluable part of being a music fan I'm glad that they have spread out into other genres and I think it's smart for apple to put them in there because Look, I don't I don't know and neither do you listener of this show what these lyrics mean You got to check them out Yeah, I look up lyrics all the time too and I love the idea even though i'm not an apple music user So this is useless to me But I love the idea of being able to get that high quality information of not just the lyrics but the annotations Right there in my app Because a lot of times when you look up lyrics online, you're like am I going to get a virus from this site? Like there's so many like shifty sites providing lyrics to songs and genius is a well known and reliable website for that Pocket has integrated with amazon poly textu speech So on android and ios articles read to you will sound more natural than before There's also an enhanced player that gives more playback controls like a scrubber and the ios app also has all the features of the android app As well such as ordering articles to listen continuously The listen button is also now available in the article list area And there is an amazon skill to let you play your pocket articles on echo devices and the like Business insider says this is because podcasts are hot Oh, yeah podcasts are the new thing. I don't know if you guys were aware. I have heard of them. Yeah. Yeah, they're uh Well, thank goodness for that. No, I There is truth to the fact that more people are listening to things than ever before I don't think it's new but it is continuing to rise And and pocket is is doing well as a mozilla company now to take advantage of that and say, hey, you know what? Uh, you might not get around to reading it But if you're in a situation where you can listen to it, we're going to make it easy We're not going to make it dig through the menu anymore and we're going to make it more pleasant to hear it It won't be so robotic Uh, we'll be able to use some some tech in this case from amazon to make it more pleasant to listen to I think this is all good. I will forever pine for the audio only internet I will forever pine for the world in which I can just leave one earbud in that dynamically Rises or falls what is happening out in the outside world So I can be told things I there is so much of my day that could be filled with more Relevant natural sounding information. We have the tools. We have the technology. The time is now I applaud this move and I encourage everyone else to follow in its league I can't wait till they turn them into videos for the millennials Yeah, I um, I occurred to me yesterday that I was like, I haven't been on twitter in a few days I mean, not just that I haven't tweeted anything, but I just have not been reading twitter I would love Something that sounds and it even twitter has its own syntax and it would just be weird to have it read I don't exactly know how that would work I would love there to be some sort of a solution because I I'm walking the dog or otherwise I I can't be in front of you know, tweet butter or you know, twitter up of choice Something that makes sense of all of this and gives me context if there is an at reply to an original tweet I don't know how that would work and if that's already in place somewhere. Please let me know but You know as text to speech And and and and hearing things that sound uh, you know less robotic than ever becomes more and more than norm These these are the solutions. I'm looking for Joshua Browder has made bots that help people dispute parking tickets fine loss luggage and handle landlord disputes This year he created do not pay to help people file 25,000 lawsuits against Equifax over its data breach Now do not pay is being expanded to help users lock down privacy settings on social media and file lawsuits in the event of data breaches It works for facebook twitter and instagram with google to be added soon It uses the have I been pwned database to tell the users been the victim of a data breach This is one of those classic stories that uh, is going to get a lot of headlines that lead people to think it does things It doesn't but is still a very valuable and interesting Advance and I love what Browder is doing just bit by bit finding what's possible with bots not making promises But saying well, what can I actually do with them right now and making that practical? So in this case, he's like, oh public database. Have I been pwned? I can look at that and say Hey, your email address is listed here You have said you have told me that you remember that company. Would you like me to file a claim on your behalf? I mean, yes, it's technically a lawsuit and yes You have to carry it out and follow through with it. The bot's not going to go to court for you You know, it's not it's not going to do all the correspondence, but it's going to handle the paperwork Which is what it did with the parking tickets. It's what it's done with airline fares and the rest of it So, uh, I I think this is fantastic Uh, and and it is both more and less than it seems Uh, it also creates a tremendous opportunity for lawyers to then say, all right Well, if you've already filed a lawsuit, you've already indicated interest in it Then you can combine it into a class action thing. Look at the end of the day What this does is puts an onus on some of these companies security wise to say Hey, look, this isn't just going to be sour grapes from your users If there is a financial penalty that you might have to pay And a a media penalty that you will have to pay by having this be a story that drags out then Maybe there are security Choices that you will make that are Different than the ones that have been made where you didn't really have to worry about it If there's a day to breach sure you're gonna have to you know Have egg on your face for a couple of days, but it's not the end of the world Who disputes parking tickets? Oh man, there used to be an app That used that and I don't know whether or not it was created by jashua But uh, yeah, it was I'm sure it was if you're thinking of the one that It would have the bot look at your parking ticket and then figure out All the things that you needed to say on on your dispute to Have the highest chance of getting it uh dismissed dismissed. Yeah And when I asked that I I'm not saying you shouldn't dispute parking ticket because I'm just saying I've gotten so many parking tickets over the years and it was always my fault I I just don't know how all those who's disputing all this stuff. David pregger also is another well David pregger knows knows how to get out of a parking ticket. I'll tell you what yeah It really does like he's he's the only person when you ask that question like the actual answer was like, oh, I know one guy That's the point of the bot is yeah, yeah for for you who's like, I don't have time for this You let the bot do it Yeah, so and and that's great and again, it's it's it's beatmaster was like it'll be funny when this gets hacked It's not automatic. It just helps you fill out the paperwork. You still have to file it So it's it's not extreme not that anything is unhackable, but it's not like you can you can force it To do stuff it would it would just be using it to perpetrate fraud. I guess This is the recourse of the consumer. It makes it easier to have the consumer have recourse and and The imbalance in the legal system is often because they have lawyers and you can't afford one and this helps balance those scales the scales of justice All right, I just went with that because the scales came out of my mouth It's uh, you know, it's october the libra And by the way thoms speaking of musical scales Yes, uh, the u.s. President has signed the music modernization act into law To help make it easier for artists to get paid for use of their music and streaming services Among the benefits of the modification to the copyright law are the ability to get paid for pre 1972 recordings the problem was uh copyright really wasn't modernized until 1972 So there was a patchwork of laws before 1972 this fixes that confusing aspect of things It improves royalty payouts for producers and engineers Producers were never even mentioned in copyright law before and it also makes it possible for a streaming service to just license all music compositions at once There've been a couple of business plans in the past one is licensed song by song Which is what amazon did and took them forever to build up their catalog or just be ready to be sued Which is what spotify did like we'll just put the music on and we'll deal with it as the lawsuits roll in This gets rid of both of those and says you can just write a check And start your streaming service. It is a rare piece of copyright law That seems to be supported by all the big players from on all sides of this issue Yeah, this just seems like a good law. I know right? It's like what do you what do you say like public knowledge supports it The streaming services support it the record labels support it the artists support it like wow We can do this whenever we talk about like sure tom. Yeah, we need new internet law But how's that gonna happen? Here's an example of where A technological problem was solved in a bipartisan way with a law that seems to work for everybody Uh, can I also say apropos of nothing that I encourage all dT and s listeners to not make their iphone password 000 000 Oh Justin this is how this is how you get nice just steal your laptop and ransom it against you Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com All right, so as I alluded at the top of the show sources tell cmbc that apple Is readying their new digital video service? We all knew that because of all the deals that have been leaking out, but apparently what it's going to be is owners of apple devices Getting the original content from apple through the tv app the tv app is already there on apple tv ios devices both iphone and ipad apple tv users probably the most familiar with it, but you might be using it on your phone or your ipad as well and The way that tv app works. It's just surfaces stuff It knows you're watching so if you're watching through hulu it'll tell you like hey the next episode of of castle Rock is is out or what or whatever? It will do that with apple tv shows and you won't have to pay anything extra for it Also, apparently according to the cmbc story Instead of being kicked out to the apps to subscribe Which you usually can't do because most of the apps don't want to do in app subscriptions through tv os You'll be able to sign up to subscribe to channels through the tv app itself Which i don't know if it's going to change the number of people participating in allowing subscriptions through tv os, but It would make it so that you wouldn't have to be kicked out to the app So for instance with hbo if you want to subscribe to hbo when you're in the tv app It just kicks you out to the hbo now app and you have to go through their process This would make it a little simpler Anyway, along with single sign-on Along with the increasing number of companies that participate in the tv app to track your your viewing It makes sense that apple would just throw this stuff right in now in addition CNN reports that warner media is planning to launch a streaming service at the end of next year That would combine content from hbo with the turner networks like tnt and tbs And warner brothers film and tv both the tv shows they make for other people as well as the movies they make They have the dc universe for instance harry potter films are part of warner brothers So they would be trying to make a netflix competitor now. I can already hear the cries you know y'all of We don't want more services. I don't want to have to buy an apple device in order to watch a hot new show Uh, justin, what do we have to say to them? I think you kind of do want to Look number one this clarifies. I think another story that made the rounds uh last week about apples problems that they're having with creating shows and the family friendly thing Yeah, and the fact that it would be family friendly because now it puts it into a little bit of a different context If what apples wanting to do is make these things free to anybody that has A apple tv compared to the extra step of saying no, I need to buy A service I need to add apple streaming And so now I think when you think of it in that context, it's then sure I'm making the decision to get an nc 17 dr. Dre bio Uh a show if it's free that might be a little bit of a different story I think this is a very interesting play to say Okay, so let's say that apple does get the next office Right, they just have a show that produces 13 episodes every year. That's super fun Is it a better idea to say you want to know what I could probably upgrade my hardware To get a good experience people seem to like it. I very much enjoy the tv app I found myself straining against it and yet finding myself using it because it is it knows what i'm watching It knows uh where I can find it very easily And I get these Shows forever unless they spin it out into its another Uh subscription service, but in this model you upgrade your hardware once and now you're not adding a new subscription service Which means that it plays uh into the hands of people that are frustrated by subscription fatigue I don't know man. If I'm an android user, I'm not buying that like I don't want to have to switch my phone I don't want to have to participate you don't want to have to but what if the show is super hot and everybody's talking about it And you just sort of have to give in and then apple makes more money on hardware sales as they want to anyway Well, yeah, but I don't want to happen for some people and people are going to be angry about that I mean, they're angry about cbs all access For goodness sake. They're definitely going to be angry about this Well, I mean hold on wait so so more angry than they would be about another 10 dollars a month If if in other words, it's like not only do I have to spend a few hundred dollars at once But I have to change platform. No way. I hate apple I hate ios and I don't want to have to go there just to watch this jennifer aniston comedy Okay, but but we're not talking about a wholesale ecosystem change You'd be talking about getting an apple tv, which yes is a couple hundred dollars system change for a lot of people I've got an Shield, why do I want to get a tv os? I don't like it. I hate the remote. It doesn't work Understood right and so all I'm saying is it let's draw a circular on just that Let's not talking about getting new phones and getting new laptops and everything Let's just talk about the tv os situation But I want to watch it mobile too. Now. I can't watch it. Oh, I can only watch it on my tv I don't know about that circle you're on Okay, that's fine I I do think that there are some things that you can say. All right. Well, this is just the thing that I watch on my tv I think people make that decision all the time Uh, whether or not the jennifer aniston comedy is something that is so intense That you need to watch it on your phone mileage may vary. I all I'm interested in is this We are talking about two very Chartered annoying things. I have to switch platforms to get something exclusive And all these vultures want to do is get another $13 out of my bank account every single month because I'm going to forget To cancel it and and they know that and they know that A one month is more than likely going to be a year because I'm just going to think I'm going to want to watch something so What would you choose? If you have you have both of those problems that people already know they're defined consumer bugaboos what is Better of the two I I think it comes down to a very I may not sound important when I first say it But I think a very important key aspect of this will be if apple does this which again, we're going by a cmbc leak This is not an announcement If apple does this do they make these shows available? For sale outside of the apple ecosystem in other words, can I go to google play and buy seasons of these? Maybe a year later the way hbo does it right like like game of thrones or something like that if that exists Then I think this is less of an issue. It's you know what? It's like books We don't we we we have to buy the books. We don't have a subscription book service Yeah, unlimited, you know a side right for the most part You don't expect everyone to read all the good books And you don't expect that you will you will get them through one service You you go and you buy the books that that you want to read and you know that you'll never be able to read all the books We're used to tv not being like that because of cable Uh, but I remember a time when your cable system might not carry the channel that has the hot new show And yeah, we're like complaining to your cable tv come on carry that channel It got to the point where almost all the major networks were on all the cable channels and we got spoiled But I think tv is becoming more like books in that way Where you can buy the show everywhere It doesn't matter It's only if you want it to be on your streaming service that you start to complain And I think people are just going to have to get used to that new idea However, that conversation changes if apple says no the only way to ever get them Is to go through a tv os or ios system. I I I agree What does amazon do with with like marvelous mrs. Maze? Oh, no, you can buy amazon stuff in itunes and stuff. I think yeah, okay, yeah I you know, I say that but maybe well, you know and again I I think it goes back to If there is a hit show that everybody's talking about and we haven't seen any of these shows that apple supposedly is in the Works and creating with with various production companies but if something is enough of that water cooler conversation piece And you just really want to watch the show and you have to have a piece of apple hardware to watch that show They're going to sell more hardware That and and I don't know how much apple cares if someone's mad about that like go ahead and be bad Then you just can't see the show I I I will add that it better be one a very darn good show Two you need to keep someone in the ecosystem or after the show Ends or whatever and or they don't like it. They're just going to pop on off, right? It's one thing to have something that brings people through the door You still need other stuff to keep them there before they either get bored with the show or they find it It's not as interesting. Yeah, but what's I but without the apples method of this is genius like once you've bought the device Doesn't matter if you get bored And that's the threshold. I yeah, I I do not I personally do not believe It is enough to have a hit show or even three or four hit shows to bring people Into a new hardware ecosystem unless there's We're but We're looking at this as if there's not already a commoditized defined market where everybody's selling the exact same product with very minor differences That can that their features are you can stream Netflix? You can stream these apps. You can stream these Networks that that have these apps. That's already the world that we live in So if you were to say on top of that buy ours Because you'll have But they have a roku. I don't want to go spend 150 dollars on an apple to just to watch a show And you don't have to right? This is for this is a carrot for I do want to upgrade Well, but I'd like again, I'm going back to the people who are complaining that Star Trek Discovery is on CBS all access So, you know the answer is well, then don't buy CBS all access, right? But people are complaining because I like I want to watch this show and you need to give me another way to do it Put it on CBS. I think you're gonna have that Complaining okay, I think Sarah's right But your but your argument exactly because your argument is don't give me another Subscription service that's going to be worthless and that's I think what Apple's trying to get around That's not my argument. That's a lot of people's argument. Uh, one. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm sorry a lot of people who were making that argument two seconds ago Man, I make all the arguments all the time So I will always disavow them later Well, I think I think it's more in terms of you know It's it's less relevant now because so many android apps that are have kept up with iOS apps But back in the day iOS used to get all the cool apps first, you know developers were just kind of go into iOS first And then there'd be an android app that would would show up eventually, right? If you don't have an iOS device, you're not going to be able to use those apps So it didn't force anybody to buy an iPhone and people complained Constantly, well, sure they complained, but they also swallowed a lot of iPhones So, okay Yes, you keep making that point and that's the point of why apple won't care about this But I think a lot of people are going to be angry is the only thing i'm sorry, but I think I think right now We are just we are in such and we're starting to circle the drain on this but like, uh, We are we are we are at a point now Where again All these set top boxes functionally in terms of the feature list Are basically the same they're offering the same things Yeah But if you already have one Again, I know let me let me break but break the drain circle by saying no amazon does not sell marvellous mrs. Maysill on voodoo I checked I was thinking of netflix where you can get netflix shows like orange is the new black Through fandango now for instance, but maybe amazon doesn't do that. So maybe apple won't do that either And uh, and and by the way, I'm sure that please please File your insurance complaints for the riots in the streets about amazon gating their content Yeah, but it's so cheap to get a prime video, right? Ah The big outlay to to buy an apple device No for for prime video like but what is what is prime per year prime video per year is like 70 bucks But you also are buying it already for shipping Ah That's a that's a valid that's a valid difference then I already have a box and now I have to spend 150 dollars I wouldn't have otherwise I don't know we're split less versus friction full This is not no, that's not friction. All right enough move on All right Thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit. I tried to have a witty Segway and there just wasn't one submit stores submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We do have a lot of the next generation of tv stories So keep those coming as well. Those are some of my personal favorites We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show real quickly. Let's check out the mail bags here Let's yeah, matt wrote in about our conversation with patrick bachow yesterday about the new pixel books matt said I used to be in the same camp as patrick when he commented Well, this is expensive for a chromebook But I picked up a pixel book last month. It was on sale and it radically changed my mind after getting at chrome set up I realized that works video conferencing app where where matt works doesn't run well in a browser But I could stall the android app which worked fine Then linux crostini support hit the stable channel I was able to painlessly install linux gimp for photo editing This chromebook can now actually run more software than any other device i own a month ago I thought that chrome os was a bit of a toy now. It's the laptop i'm traveling with for work I agree with you matt Yeah Well, uh, yeah, thanks matt and and important to remember that um That the laptops are are often what you make of them and what you install on them Also, thanks to justin robber young for being with us this fine Frolicky thursday Yes, what uh, what's uh, what's going on? 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No, no, I know Um, also I kept trying to get I kept wanting to set up the outrage to counter it with the We just have to get used to the fact that we can't always see everything And you guys kept coming up with reasonable reasons not to be outraged which I couldn't count I mean my point was not that people shouldn't be outraged. It's just that apple doesn't air No, I had I I had no I could not dispute that. Yeah, my my my point was that Look, we are already dealing without rage Like we already dealing like every every time that there is a hint that there's going to be a new streaming service The the number one thing I see is not another streaming service. I already have so many streaming services Yeah, uh, so the idea that they're trying to think of another way around it. I think we'll be Interesting. I'll be interested to see it and I think it is it's kind of a different way to look at I mean We have more options than ever and I think in general that's a good thing And yeah, I don't know that many people who have more than A couple streaming services because it adds up and it ends up being like a cable subscription all over again At least, you know based on price I I I love youtube tv. I've talked about it before on the show and It's it's kind of funny because it you know, it mimics what a cable subscription feels like, um all over again It's you know in in in one way. It's almost like I'm going back to the dark days pre cord cutting But it's so affordable and there's so much that you get in one service that it's like, okay Well, then I just don't don't have all the other ones. I know And you can you can end at any time. You don't have a contract And and the the other beauty that we talk about this on cord killers all the time is you're in control Yes, if you want to have everything if your goal is I must always have everything Then you are going to spend a lot, but that was true with cable too If you wanted to have everything You had to spend a lot, right? Like if you wanted to have hbo and stars and the the ultra digital tier You know, you're talking about 130 plus a month So what what's going on now is like, yes, if I want to get everything I'm gonna have to spend more because you have more choices But that also means you have a choice. You can decide, you know what? I need to save money I'm just going to pick these three things that are really important to me Whereas cable there was a floor you couldn't go below like if you want cable, you're going to spend this much Now you can decide like, you know what? I'm going to go down to just netflix for $10 a month and save some money for a while That's not an option you had Yeah That's very true When I got rid of my cable subscription however many years ago I knew I mean there were a couple channels that I knew I was going to miss and this was before they were available in lots of other places It's probably I don't know 20 2009 or 2010 But I but I also knew that I really only watched about four channels regularly And it just it was just I was just paying for stuff I didn't need Yeah And you know apple's new system aside You can always just decide to buy a season of a show that you love If you only have a couple of shows you love that may be the cheapest way to go And they may not have to watch commercials. So that's another option that you didn't use to have either I I think about I didn't have cable through most of the 90s Uh and into it wasn't until I got my job at tech tv that I was like, ah, I have enough money I can I can pay for cable again Uh and if netflix or hulu had existed back then I probably would have bought one of them Uh Because I'm like, well, at least I've got something whereas instead I just had nothing for the longest time Over the air that's all I had With well Hey, I mean I've got that now with my leaf tape to the wall Works great Those ears just got bigger and flatter. But yeah, there's all right. You're right What should we call this roger roger? I want to thank you Yeah, I bought some dialogue apples netflix I exclusivity Hmm, I like that one. I exclusivity like IX. No, I yeah, iex No, I like exclusivity, but you know, I with the apple But it's not see clever would be i x cl us I exclusivity I see we could make it that Why don't we make it that then With a capital x. Okay. Yeah, also you get the 10 s in there You know, you know, I don't know what is If it's more annoying or just adorable, but you know how you you know You look up something on the internet and then the ads follow you for the rest of your life Anytime you are on any website, you know, even if you've really moved on I was looking at dog halloween costumes the other day because Because of course, right? And so now every every five seconds. I see a little Yorkshire terrier wearing a pope costume From juey.com A pope outfit for my dog. I haven't I haven't said no, I still might buy it Wearing you down Right. Yeah, and normally it's like you've either already bought the item Yeah, or you've decided not to and so it's like I don't want to see those shoes anymore But that's the only stuff I ever noticed following me around the internet is like now I'm getting ads for moving services. I'm like, yeah, I moved I know a month ago. I you know, I already picked the moving service and they moved me like I do not need your ad now You're just annoying me. I know I wish there was a way because you know The the the ad surfacing They're not trying to give you something you don't want. They're trying to give you something you do want So that you haven't tried to drive around the web is that they get to have more effective ads because they hit the people who need to see them right what I would love is You know, whenever I get like a new phone or something and then I see the slick ads for the new phones like on tv I'll be very happy because I'll know that other people Are seeing the phone that I got in its best life So I would be happier if everybody in my friend in my social graph Saw ads for things that I just bought. I have never thought about this. That's intriguing Just so they'd be like, man, that was a great Uh ruler like I mean I keep seeing ads for this rule. Oh really? Oh, yeah, I bought it last week I have Yeah, and and that's gonna you know, like my friend has it is a powerful motivation to buy something So it would actually be in the advertisers interest to do that I'm just saying get on it all we could all use duck. I I think that's one of the reasons I have ads that trail me is because I use so many privacy services that They don't get a clear enough picture about what I'm doing until too late Right, I feel like yeah, there was just a way not to just be like I'm not interested but This is no longer relevant I don't know. Maybe that's too much information for advertisers, but it would be nice Just use duck. Go and then you would never you'll never see anything. It's true Isn't it amazing that they've had so much growth in such a short period of time? I I it's one of you know, it's like who's who who's all of a sudden picking up duck. Go It's one of those rare situations where the headlines would lead you to believe that this is true And it actually is yeah, here's here's what I think part of it is There has been and it is not specifically a google thing, but I do think that it is a general tech thing where For the longest time as we were as a general populace getting more and more tech literate and for listeners to a show like this specifically the aftershow of a show like this that has been A staple of a franchise of tech news for so long It's hard to remember that we are the leading edge by about a decade of understanding these things that There's no longer the excuse of hey, we're bringing tech to people. We're showing what computing can do Now it's like Well, but do you really want to make that chinese search engine? Like is that is that what your Values your corporate values are about. I think that there was just an impenetrable gauze Of oh, well, this is computer stuff that now is gone. There's enough There's a tipping point of our culture that understands how these things work or at least understands how it affects them That now we look at it and say, you know, however many years ago is eight years ago and duck duck go launched It was like, oh whatever. I just have google now. It's like. Oh Yeah, I want to punish google for for possibly wanting to get in league with the chinese government I don't even think the china thing is is is the best example It's I want to punish them for dominating the search engine marketplace or abusing privacy or leaking things on going like There's a million takes whatever fill in the one that that that bothers you because the only reason I say that is Is when they were still in that world of like we're bringing tech to people They decided not to do the china thing So it's it's more like the things back then with your privacy We're justifiable like well, of course we need to read your email because Because of course we we want to deliver you a better technology and now people are like, yeah I don't think you need to do that and and they've actually stopped and and that's and that's just even the stuff that They tell you about right. We have we've we're still Understanding elements of like oh wait. So you did use my tfa my my my my 2fa password to Plug into my social graph Okay, so that's where your line is in terms of squeezing the most you can 000 000 So explain that to people who don't don't know what's going on Kanye West as part of the I and I only mentioned it. It was in context to the fact that he was Obsensibly there at the White House to sign the music or to watch the signing of the music modernization act but then there was a little press gaggle that happened afterward in the oval office where Kanye went Kanye and had his own little 10 minute discussion, but as part of that CNN cameras over his shoulder caught him opening up his iphone Revealing that his password is indeed five zeros which It could be you know Well phone that Could be a burner that's My first is like why isn't there fingerprint authentication on it, right? But maybe that's because it's a burner Well, I mean he was wearing a hat. So maybe face ID didn't work, uh, but uh, Do we know what kind of phone it was that that's one thing I never saw It wasn't iphone. I didn't see which iphone. I assume it was like a galaxy or something, but I don't know uh No, he's like an apple fanboy like oh, he is. Oh gosh, haven't you heard him? Yeah, why wouldn't are you following him on twitter talking about steve jobs every day tom? Why I want to enjoy my day seriously No, I I think it was a face ID failure and then he hit the uh, okay. All right Which you know, I've I've I've mentioned that you know You could you could sort of like pass the phone in front of your face And sometimes face ID unlocks where I'm like oh that was easy and then other times and I'm like I'm sitting right here and I still have to put in my password. I actually kind of missed touch ID Actually face ID does that on purpose as touch ID did too every once in a while It will force you to put in your password just to make sure you don't forget it Well, and that's fine. Um, you know, especially after you restart or whatever, but um This appears to be failure on face ID's part At least It'll it'll it'll it'll give you the uh, the the the picture Getting the wrong sign Like right the one thing I do like is it will now say swipe up In those cases it'll be like swipe up to try face ID again rather than just failing out into right, right? um But yeah, no, I it does not shock me considering Kanye's uh past uh when it comes to I'm sorry. Who is this? Who is this? Kanye I I just and I I believe he wants to just be known as yay now. Yeah, yeah, he's he's formerly Kanye West now. He's just yay Who did that update your records if he listen if he can if he can remember that he only wants to be called yay by Christmas Then I'll call him yay, but uh until then I'm gonna keep calling him Yeah, I don't I'll tell you what listen release yonnie. I don't pay much attention anymore Release yonnie and then I'll then we can talk about what you want to be called. You promised yonnie like two weeks ago I know it's very annoying By the whole thing because I actually really I mean I'm a big fan of his music Yeah, no, listen, I I'm I'm I'm I'm a I'm a Kanye fan for sure Hold on wait. I have a guest A guest is it is it conch? And for my latest trick We could ask him directly Hey, look it's brian brushwood The show oh We talked about cord cutting make sure Yeah, yeah, we talked about cord cutting we talked about yeah, we talked about uh the apple Uh, uh, apple is looking to possibly do their exclusive programming We should do this like a boost Should we yeah should we now we now we have to like crouch that's what Usually are you guys going to pass the mic? Yeah Uh, yeah, so brian we uh talked about apple Making their new exclusive content as something that you had to buy an apple tv for Uh, uh, super bowl something sports team. I'm on tv baba bui baba bui Sorry, I was too busy setting up the bit. What was the question? Uh, apple's doing their new stuff that they were gonna that people were thinking they were going to make a streaming service But now it might be free if you just have an apple tv That would be smart but Unsustainable, I mean that that's a long-term play If you could get people to I mean unless you Make apple tv's the new iPhones where it's something you expect to upgrade Every two or three years to a new generation because otherwise like I mean what happens You're funding all of this content and then everyone's bought an apple tv and then you're done No, but now you're in the tv os ecosystem and they get a cut on monthly every subscription for every other service We're talking about app store stuff and they get that that that's sweet 30 or whatever. Yeah, no, that's that's a really smart play Do you think that it's uh going to annoy people that they have to buy a new thing to get the Shows that people want to talk about uh, if there's one thing I know about people who buy apples Things it's that they don't tend to mind buying another apple thing Well, that's it for us tom back to you Uh, that's it for video folks. Uh, stick around though. If you're on audio, there's more to come a lot more or me