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I just wanted to talk about she little cartoon show for children peace, but oh well Oh well Oh My god, how can you Done? Oh my god. Oh, and I think that this this show to a degree is about accidents or rather And to some extent So maybe you've watched it then you'd be forgiving of my Maybe Fucking think There you go Here we are. Oh my god, there they are These people are giving you money, what's that? Griffin I want to know about our opinions. So they're like his money. Tell me your opinion Some people's opinions are really worth you're on here Hey thinking that about right who's in this call you think? Let me hose one two three four five six seven eight Random number Wait, what are we doing? I'm determining who has the most the shittiest opinion. All right. Check Twitter. It's me number. Well that one can't be right All right, it's metal You You have to be nice to me at least another three four ish hours Everybody in chat It's still my birthday That's crazy Thank you It's still your birthday. Yeah, it's like it's like it's a birthday for the rest of us What why is Chad saying to do this Just let me know I put do the twice in the title Double wow haste someone's look that's good that's good for SEO. I'm good in the algorithm right now. I I saw that our horses are reacted to that debate. Yeah, I've just made two videos about me. So You're at the topic of the town, you know, I don't care Yeah, we've lured you in get right people will jump in be like God I hope not please About a really cool little neat little show Wow not little way to give away what you think already jeez. There was a mystery little and neat We're gonna talk about it. Okay, sure Well, thanks Chad for all the birthday wishes. Thank you. Thank you. It's very nice of you. Very gracious for a general Kind they're all right sometimes Yeah, they have no moments they have no moments. Yeah, you're in for a wild ride chat Once again, we've done this before with many things You're gonna have to wait until right at the end until any of us slapping numbers on it Explode with anger or agreement either way But I think I love how people explode with agreement. I am so Fucking okay Yes true Glad we enjoyed this together Distorted robot very scary Practicing the voice acting gonna be a robo toy didn't I might be a robot for like 20 more minutes because I'm currently uploading the Thing Thing that's a movie. That's already out there Livestream that you were watching that one. Oh the bit that you were there for You're gonna have to fill in the rest of us It wasn't debate it was that was a different one I'm uploading the one where I react to a relevant we can mention I was trying to talk to a relevant he said he's gonna have me on and then he got busy unfortunately So lost and confused He probably is we're friends, but I I don't I don't I have some issues with what he said I'm gonna put it that way. Um, I do as well. You can tell people you're doing on Twitch I am streaming on Twitch twitch.tv slash JX. See that's that's exactly what you'd expect. Is it all one word? Yes, it is. There you go easy You've got a regular slot or you just randomly wampin in Just randomly wamp. All right. That's the way I like it. Um I stream I stream for five minutes every hour I'm going to go ahead and guess that the people who are listening to this on VOD. This is a nine-hour video So we better get started Yeah, you only nine Yeah, I feel like that's a good guess. We'll see we'll see if I'm 100% wrong or not I'm a little bit. It's unfair because I'm gonna let it end it whenever I want, but we'll see I can make myself correct, but yeah, we'll probably do it the same style We always do a chronological breakdown and then conclusions, but not before everyone given a little blurb on what they think of the show Rags, can you do your random numbery thing again? And that's how we'll determine who what order people will talk a little bit about what they thought of the show overall That's a great idea minimum one maximum one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight All right I will now generate a number and that number is four J is first go Jay. Oh, I liked it a lot I was much more in I found it to be much more impressive than I found myself invested in it in points though There were in the first three episodes, I would think this is really well written and Executed and animated I can tell but the investment wasn't particularly there for more there for me until the next two episodes I was crazy invested in the middle I then my investment slipped again towards the end, but I was still recognizing that it was a massive a massively well-made show The high the the things that I am most impressed with or I guess most invested with the elements that are most invested under the characters At my jinx Victor and Caitlyn being like my personal favorites I Invested in the character relationships that we get and I am Very impressed with the show and the animation as well as it's just gorgeous the whole time Very well Braggs, who's next? Let me hit the number generator button and we shall find out Generate number six. It's metal. Oh, that's me. I like the show a whole bunch It was really nice and good. It was much more mature than I expected it to be at some point You realized oh shit. We're not fucking around Yeah, I I think I don't think I know I was pretty much invested the whole time Especially in my second watch through because I was just looking for for neat little details and stuff Because it starts kind of okay, and then we hit a certain point you're like alright. I'm in I want to see everything now Looks awesome a lot of lots of Well-written characters in there I would say yeah, I think that's that's my little blurb go ahead Okie-dokie, let's see who's next just one thing. I sort of funny someone in chat was saying their favorite characters of the professor and Vance Also like Vance Next up it's number five. It's smaller. Oh my goodness So I originally watched this after about a month of people recommending it to me And maybe I've got the timeline wrong there, but me and for you were like hmm this or afterlife you'll need to watch that by the way I've heard it's very good So well I guess we'll throw this on I don't know there's like first two episodes were like this is a fine show Nothing really that's that's stimulating the old heart and brain though that much and then episode three happened We've gone over this couple times on different streams It was just surprising shocking we'll get there in terms of bold storytelling choices as well as A couple of scenes that are just fucking top tier for storytelling. I am oh and from that point I was just hooked and watched Read straight through to the rest. I Was pretty invested in a lot of things. It was only on subsequent Viewings of the show that I picked up a shit ton more that was in it and it Constantly makes me think about the nature of actually absorbing Stories and how much I pick up subconsciously before consciously because of I think I liked this show more than I had picked up About it at first but at this point I've got like infinite things to say about basically every person involved and The world the plot line. It's absolutely better than it has any fucking right to be it doesn't make any sense Almost that this is this good and it's a treat It was a really wonderful thing to be able to watch not just because I think it's pretty well written But it's cool to have such a crazy fantasy sci-fi world that isn't absolute garbage which we often get these days because Man, I mean, you know, I say that as if this will this will change things Lord the Rings is on its way brace for impact with that one and Yeah, oh, I don't know if there's any with while special mentions rather than just we'll eventually get into the the whole thing but Yeah, got some some some great plot lines happening some really fun uses of challenging characters a villain that For all intents and purposes is scoring incredibly high with basically everybody and it's been a while since we've had one of them I would say with new stuff. Yeah And I was pretty much fully invested in everybody. There wasn't really a story where I was like more of this, I guess Which was really fun for me Next up The number generator I have to hit it until it, you know, gives me what I want life is Getting repeat numbers. I know a different service you can use that doesn't do it I mean, we're only doing today. It's not that huge deal. It's alright. It was me next. It is. Oh my god Okay, well, I've been playing League of Legends for a very very long time since season 2 So that's like 10 years or so. I Saw that and I thought it was gonna be shit because you know, it's the League of Legends Netflix animated series But I was intensely surprised by how much of a I don't want to I guess mature as a story it is like There's clear vision behind it and it is trying to be something as opposed to being I guess a corporate sludge product and there's some really stuff character work going on in it and Characters that I really enjoy from the game are treated exceptionally well and it's really fucking pretty to look at And it's got teeth like it's willing to be very unpleasant with some of the subject matter It wants to tackle and I really appreciate it all of that. I really really like this show It's amazing All right, I thought you know just just everything Theo said everything that Theo said was just just incredible I was I was all for it. That was great Next up It's doomer Hey So I'm a really big fan of the show Probably some people in chat know that I'm in the middle of like what's probably gonna be at this point at two and a half Maybe three hour video talking about it I think it is very good And I need to get that out of the way up front because I'm assuming I will end up being the most critical person And that's not because I don't like it That's because I think it is good enough that it deserves to not be treated with kid gloves You know taken seriously, which is just saying that is very very high praise coming for me I think it's a I think it's incredibly good. I Don't think it's perfect. There are some areas where I wish it was better But like if I had to sum it up in a very brief Like sentence like if this is the future of product placement and this is Like I would be very very optimistic if we see anything even vaguely like this coming up coming down the pipeline You know if this is how you sell a product is to make a show that's this good that would just be incredible It has the potential to reverse my pessimism about the film industry almost by itself, which is Incredibly high praise. So yeah, it's a very very good show Now, all right He's spoken and now it is Clicking okay. Here we go. Pringies next Okay, I Guess it's the same story in terms of watching it. It was getting recommended for a few months and When so many people are saying that the show is really good and that you know, including like people who Perspectives you generally align with that's pretty interesting Especially considering that it's a League of Legends TV show on Netflix So yeah, I watched it and I was very surprised. I don't think I was expecting Even with all of the recommendations I don't know that I was expecting to watch a show that was so mature Clearly the product of Passion that someone had an idea for a story they wanted to tell and were able to execute on it This show is really great Putting to one side the incredible production values great voice acting incredible animation and art style a really cool soundtrack as well It's just Really strong character writing throughout and when you're writing like eight or nine Really great characters who have their own stories And their own journeys that they're going on Strong themes permeating a lot of those stories tied into a pretty sound plot It's like man, you know something really well. This show is really great and I think When I first watched it I Think I just felt that it was good But the more that I think about the show the more it improves in my mind So I think it's pretty great and I'm looking forward to talking about why very well Alright, here we go. We're down to the wire Just one and two left. Let me click the button. Oh My goodness, it's me. Oh my gosh It's rags on deck. We're ready to go to talk about arcane so arcane has been the most Recommended thing to us ever and we've been recommended things a lot and not only was it the most recommended thing ever that we consistently were getting it was Getting praised by everyone. Everyone was talking about how amazing it was so Before the CFAP they're in the last week or so in two sittings I decided alongside Mahler to give the show a watch and It is it's probably one of my favorite shows that I've seen I am thoroughly impressed with it back to front and Well, what we do in EFAP we sort of have an unofficial Olympic diving score that we give things which is the more complex and Complicated and higher that something shoots to be then the the higher weight that its number kind of carries And the fact that there could be so many characters That and characters I think are the strength of this some of the show there are so many of them In a plot line that you know involves them all That it's it's thoroughly impressive that we don't just get a character or two that are good or three or four We get we get it's difficult to choose who your favorite is I I'm thoroughly impressed with the show. I really really enjoyed the vast majority of it It was a pleasure to watch the voice acting was great the animation was Very well done Especially on the emotional side the world was interesting and magical and just just a wonderful place sort of It was just always visually interesting You always wanted to hear what the characters were saying and I really really I really really like the show definitely gets a huge seal of approval from me and Now may as well keep rolling that leaves you get that's his number. I get yeah Let me go ahead and do that Go ahead and roll through Okay, eight seven seven eight five four one four two one four Seven four seven three there we go Tell us what you think about the show. Yeah, so I have absolutely zero experience With the League of Legends franchise. I've never played the game. Well, no, that's not true I played it once and didn't think it was for me, but anyway That was what concerned me when I saw the recommendations coming up about the show from everybody that I trust to have good opinions so I Was concerned that having not played the game it was going to you know cause a problem, but that's not the case at all I think anybody can enjoy the show and The the word mature comes up a lot and they're not wrong at all It was because I was expecting it to be kind of like a sanitized product, you know, because everybody was always like so Jovial and you know just quippy in the game as far as you know, my friends seem to Portray it but it was actually yeah It was very mature in that regard a lot of different characters and what's interesting too is like I didn't really care too much For Game of Thrones because there were too many characters and that's just a personal gripe for me But then this show comes along and finally the one and only show with lots of characters that I actually really got into and had trouble Picking a favorite. So I have a few favorites, but we'll just get into it later when we get into the synopsis I really really enjoy this show. I hope all the seasons up until like, you know, the end Holds up just as well as this one did because this one went it went up with a bang. So Yeah, this is fantastic and I'm really glad that I took the time to see it I've seen it twice and then a third time before the show or before this this show So I was ready to talk about it and I'm stoked. I was looking forward to this day all week. So let's fucking go Beautiful, um people are saying that I'm quieter than everyone else How do I sound Hmm there must be something to do with something else something an OBS maybe Does that make me louder See in discord you're just normally at a hundred percent I mean All of you are level for me. So if I just lower everybody in the call collectively through OBS, then you can just boost the stream presumably We'll try that Cooper is quieter. Well Maybe I'll just try and get closer to the mic so that I'm louder Yeah Um, so you're actually a really loud for the rest of the stream. What if that's been agreed upon on the subreddit? Damn mean Do you think they have that level of coordination? perhaps No, it's a it's a secret plot by mauler He wants to be louder Okay He's got he's got chat plants. I got so many knobs on my mixer that I don't even know what they do Yeah, I have that problem Does that make me I don't have a cool fancy mixer. I've got a mine small I got I got way too many knobs on my mixer Yeah Well thunder said it sounds fine and I trust him quite a bit within chat as a as an ear person. So I doubt he'd lie to us Um, all right. Well, hopefully that's leveled it out a bit better Regardless, I suppose it's time for us to begin talking about this show like Chronologically Like I said, I think we're just going to try and go through the events The the way we tend to do this and this is going to be one of the longest one ever We did this with wander vision kind of we definitely did it with falcon the winter soldier We didn't really do it with low key But you kind of try and go through it You try and go through it But only using information we've been given so far Rather than connecting it to future events and then instead you would draw back to those past events when you want to make a point It can be tough But the idea with that is that we can we can put some people on an adventure who have no intention of watching this show There's going to be at least one in chat who's like, no fuck that Or that it's legal legends um So we can give them a bit of that experience and so all I recommend is that if you're like You see the introduction of a character doing a particular thing and you're like, oh that relates to episode seven when they do it And you know Maybe maybe put that on a note. Maybe um, I will it's you know just so that we can um It it should make it so that we go relatively good speed through um, sorry Yeah, I figured that's like the the the smallest way to do it who knows but uh Yeah, like it seems very similar to how we did squid game if i'm not mistaken. Yes, that was that's how we did that as well So, uh, yeah, uh, we'll just we'll just go as we go and flow as the flow flows now I'll stop by saying the when when fringin. I booted this up. I wasn't really That super invested or interested. I was just like here we go to the show. Let's do it and um, I suppose the interesting thing is just like immediately I was like, oh we're um We're not doing like you you'd further expect maybe just some character waking up in a room or some Maybe event or something but it's just like this dark mist flowing over the war torn bridge you're like, um With a soundtrack that's like really wanting it also a little girl singing a song in a very like You could call it uh juxtaposed I suppose but in a in a way that's familiar with horror We're just like a really scratchy edit thing as well. Yeah Um, which is really cool and interesting Um, but I don't know. Just immediately you're just like the hell Find a telling letter how it begins. You know, we're supposed to be having fun. No It's this is this is this about the toxicity and it's about what's going on Yeah, yeah, this is the allegiance game. We're going to establish very quickly. We're not here to have fun And Yeah, so I I think to myself like what should I even say about this thing? Or should I just summarize it as one word when first seeing the show which is It seems like some big battle has happened on a bridge We follow two girls who are making their way across it. They bump into some guy Who seems to point to someone they love being dead And then he picks them up and takes them away And so like obviously this is just one of those things where you're just like I'm assuming I will gain more from this at some point in the future But this this big big old event And I think all the show wants you to take from it for now is that this is when powder and jinx cross Powder and vi would have just like properly engaged a significant relationship with this guy who Uh, and uh, but you know names aren't exactly spoilers for now. I say that ironically when there is one technically speaking um Yeah, so it's just something for your mind to chew on I suppose this whole scene. Um, I think we're gonna have to come back to it to talk about There's one thing to point out really quickly Like if you look at the faces the facial like the expressiveness of the animation is incredible for basically the entire show This scene in particular is one of the best Like it's it's a bit odd because there's There's an animation problem we'll probably get into later But like the the expressiveness like moller was pointing out, especially the eyes is just like spectacular throughout the entire show Mm-hmm. Yeah Range and also a lot of just like realistic touches as well that are really impressive Um Like the little things that you don't typically expect Or maybe you do expect to see them now because of how much 3d animation has been improved, but I mean I will say it's just nice to see More stuff doing styles that aren't just the standard disney pixar like general style Yeah, like spider versus kind of being I mean this show was started production I'm pretty sure like or at least it was being developed like around that point anyway But I guess it's just nice to see that we've got more stuff that's trying to be more experimental in terms of art style and animation And they're using all of the effort they put into the facial expressions to tell you things without actually directly telling you them Yeah As I said, there's a lot of times where it seems more expressive than if they had like real actors, which is Well, I feel like This is probably going to be a broader topic, but it might be Uh, I don't know if it's worth mentioning now. We're talking about later Actually, I guess about animation and and like tone and and like the benefits and drawbacks and Yeah, we we can say that for later Um, I suppose I wouldn't mind Reading out the song that powder sang but we can talk about what the song might mean Probably by the time we hit the end of the show. Um, this scene will definitely be something we come back to um Yeah, the song she's she's singing it while uh Covering her eyes obviously because Vi would have told her to While listening to all the carnage and that's uh part of what I think We go from her assumption of what's happening, which is why I think the first half of the scene is more stylized And the second half, which is just by looking at the actual things happening um Yeah, it goes dear friend across the river. My hands are cold and bare Dear friend across the river. I'll take what you can spare I ask of you a penny. My fortune it will be I ask you without envy we raise no mighty tower Sorry, I'll just read it all out. It's obviously done in a tune, but um My fortune it will be I ask you without envy We raise no mighty towers. Our homes are built of stone. So come across the river And find and she's cut off because they stopped But then the song ends and find the world below Um, I never never never realized that's in the song And then the context becomes clearer later. I would argue it sums up The nature of basically the origin of all conflict to that song. Yeah. Yeah Pretty interesting to think about. Yeah, I was keeping your back pocket for now All right, the last thing I say it's important about this scene Is that like he's clearly taken them away, but the show You have to think when a show is made with purpose So like not boba fat you have to think about why that has a lot of purpose dude I mentioned boba fat so many times when I was covering this just as the anti this That came up with me as well because because every wednesday we watch the new excrement that comes out For the book of boba fat And then we watch this and it's such a stark night and day difference that it's kind of it's kind of jar It gives you mental whiplash. It does Like especially after the last episode we watched or it's like fuck. What are we doing? I mean, I think you went straight to bed. We were like, I'm lethargic as fuck. No, I'm gonna go I can't stop like fucking league of legends is being less self-indulgent with its fan service Okay, I can imagine that The fan service is actually amazing because there's more of it than I realized but it doesn't it doesn't interfere with the story at all How many people here? I get maybe we should start off who of the eight guests that we have um How many have played league of legends or are familiar with it? We go left to right and then quick answers Yeah, I'm I'm somewhat familiar. I played it, but I didn't know very much about the lore So I'm maybe like a five out of ten knowledge Uh, I did play it but a long time ago and even when I did I wasn't familiar with the lore that much I played it for like 20 minutes roughly four years ago. I forgot who I played and I have no background Like I have no background on the game whatsoever Yeah, I played it for roughly 20 minutes Probably a bit longer than that ago On an account that I named after my friend's mom Uh, I feel like Theo might be able to oh that again. I could have googled it, but I remember joining when shavanna was just released so Yeah, it's quite quite a while ago. I played for a good like I was still playing it when I met metal so from when shavanna's released at least to 2015 And then pitted out Going back played for a couple months and then stopped and I've recently started playing it again because of the show Um, so I know a decent chunk about league of legends, but uh, there's plenty. I don't know Oh, wait to me. Uh, yeah, I played it a lot back in the day as well probably like 2013 as when I first played it Man that game has been out for a long time. Fuck. Uh Uh Yeah, I played it a lot. I was never good at it, but I enjoyed it That's somebody to start playing only a rams because I took longer and longer breaks and every time it went back All the items changed and I was like fuck this Uh, but yeah, no idea about the lore, uh, but yeah, I'm very familiar with the with the characters and items and how the game works I myself I have never played league of legends and I know nothing about it other than it makes you hate yourself And your friends I was gonna say no you like you you just hate everyone else And uh, I guess for me, uh, like I said, I've been playing the game for in the vicinity of 10 years And I'm also an avid enthusiast for the lore and stuff because I think there's some good shit in the Even if there's also plenty of misses with that in mind. Did you have anything? Did you have any fore knowledge about the events that were gonna happen? A lot. Yeah Okay, that well, I would say the um me and frame when we were watching it despite my knowledge being like If D and his being even less we were able to see us a couple of things coming because of knowledge of the game Um, but nothing that would have spoiled the experience in any way But you certainly don't need to play the show to get anything out play the Play to get anything out of the show You do need to play the show to get things out of it. I would see I would recommend playing the show Take it off pause The me that you fat me Yeah, well um We'll probably With theo being the lead on that try and give insight on how it's done something that's respectful to the game At the same time as doing other things because um I suppose all I'd say right now is the the the track if you will of This is a show for the the people who played the game is almost invisible to the show watch as I would say Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's I think that's one of the like best things you can say about it Is that like most people would think I don't want to watch the league of legends tv show I'm not going to get it I think that's like probably the biggest reason people don't watch it and that just does not matter at all Not at all That's funny because I don't know any people who play I feel like who people who played the game Were like a show about league of legends. That's probably just going to be wacky dumb bullshit That's what I was thinking. That's that's that's why I that's why I Just never really had any interested in watching it So there you go anybody did watch it is because more than a friend you did watch it and I was like you gotta go watch it now I was like, okay Yeah, basically so I yeah, if you haven't seen it yet and you were worried about that now is your chance to turn back We're about to spoil the whole fucking thing Yeah, very slowly Slowly you you have many chances to turn back you can't complain Um, so the one the last thing I was just going to say about this scene especially Vi seems at some level of just Sad but also with a vander at some level of peace. She looks over and um She's got like this this shot of the enforces which at this point Oh god, it's so good come across as a definitive antagonists Yes, um, this is what the police are that these people And then we cut back to her And she's like angry Makes a lot of sense. Obviously. They're the people who killed So people we saw there and then the final shot Moving up and looking at the towers of Piltova Which to me just summarizes exactly what the the base of this shows drama is going to be about They are leaving the pretty city They're not going well just having the city risen just over all this red smoke death and destruction looking glorious Like Um So, yeah excellent prologue We're gonna talk more about why it's so good later But I think it's fair for a lot of people to watch and be like I have no idea what's going on It's like that's It's fine considering it's the first couple minutes of a the season of tv and it Rarely will you know what's happening in it? You don't know what's going on But like the audio-visual experience is really good. So I feel like this is this is in my opinion Maybe the high point of this episode this scene is really good. It really hooked me I think it was going for the kind of reaction the molar and fringy got of This is how we're yeah, you we're in for something that I didn't expect us to be Yeah, I I didn't Let's go to sort of uh shake off quite a few preconceived notions that a lot of people might have very quickly, right? Yeah I don't even know what to expect for the show that was recommended like this. Um I didn't know anything about like the what the art style would be or the subject matter or the I had no idea So starting off like this was Pretty good tone-setter and I and I'm glad it sort of laid things out that yeah We might be getting a bit dark here and there and it wouldn't have surprised me if we had like an into the spite of this type of one We have like one of the main characters commentating over the will of Is it rude and Tara? Yeah, I think it's so rude and Tara. Yes. So like, you know With with I got encouraging like this is my home We're here because blah blah blah blah blah and you just kind of like I could picture that And I'd have been like, all right. Yeah, that's fine. Do you imagine that coming from a zone character? Well That's the thing That's what I would have I never would have expected this show to be like Living in zone is a fucking nightmare for a lot of people and they are tired like Huh Okay, my name is Violet probably how we're wondering how I got into this situation Yeah, it's something. Yeah, so definitely tone-setting. Um Now comes the first big old controversial Conversation the intro to the show Oh All right, so I hate this music Really? I really don't I do not like this song at all And it's become a little bit of an earworm Eat that I really do not like this song at all and I very quickly muting the song and And that's the correct opinion So anyway I would like to say that uh, I hate I hate the song as an intro to a show like it's just I don't mind it so much on its own I wouldn't listen to it But like as the intro to a show, I just I don't I don't appreciate its vibe I would go for saying I like the song. I don't think it suits well enough There are elements of the song that I think work in this intro Especially combined with the visuals they choose but they're a part of the song where I'm like after that after what we're getting I don't think this works as well as you think it does. Yeah We we established this tone and then we got hit with imagine dragons and I'm like radioactive Do you guys like the do you guys like the claymation stuff or whatever whatever the art style is? Pretty cool. Don't marble statues. I think that's awesome. I love it. I think the intro is fantastic. Yeah visually But I do wonder if it clashes It doesn't it's a terrible song and pretty strong. However visual wise. It's really excellent because as you want to be fine You can get over the fact that someone likes a song. Okay. No, I can't it's not It's not possible. Well, I'm not like singing along to the song But I'm really happy when I hear it because it's associated with the show So like I don't know how much I actually feel about this song. It's just like, oh, I get I'm watching this again Awesome. So if you sang along with the song You would never be invited back to this I'm still here. So fuck you. It's gonna say I'm not gonna stop them and come right in and sing along with me I'm gonna hold the line. Oh, shit the owner of the Channel likes it. I guess you're not invited anymore. I already said that like three times I don't want to Rags, do you disagree with any of the other music cues? I just I just want to make it clear that I love the song more like And I think we should kick out rags and anyone else who doesn't like it. Let's vote Because it's done pretty quick Oh, hang on. We need we need to darken the room and raise our hands. Let's do it It will be darker once I'm gone and my joy is sucked from this world Rags do you generally dislike the music cues like at the end of episode two? For example, do you dislike that? I have to hear it and I I like the the music music of like the Like the the stuff that plays in the episodes unless it feels like it's a song that's pulled from something else and put into the show I felt like a lot of those seemed really off and they didn't fit Oh, yeah, I disagree dramatically Yeah, my it's fine. It's one of my favorites They've always felt like they've been picked for purpose and I very much enjoy them Enemy is the only one where I was like, hmm. I wonder if this is only here because of Imagine Dragons Which would connect it to League of Legends? Which one is Enemy? Yeah, like it is easily my least favorite though, I will show that I there is a muted didn't like the very next track They use jazz maybe a bit playground, but other than that like yeah most of it Was completely fine to me Yeah, there's a couple like enemy and just it it's really tonally off dude I mean, yeah, I said I'm a strong opinion about that like there's some scenes where A song is very prominent and some of those scenes are like my favorite scenes in the show I I think generally speaking the music is used really well I guess I just didn't think about the intro very much, but it certainly doesn't bother me I've seen so many complaints. I was like, we're gonna have to talk about it. Yeah Yeah, I mean like some of the these songs are like good on their own I think I just I think I have to agree that like maybe they just weren't Placed properly. I guess chat has chat has reminded me that there's a sting song and I like that I think that one. I really really like that one that song. Yeah, that one. I just wasn't I didn't remember that one When I was yeah, I really really like that one Okay The finale had really good music so I'm assuming whatever cue that is it was good Yeah, that's that's the song Um, but yeah, I don't know if anyone wants to go further than they don't like the choices, but I'll try with This is very poppy and action-packety when we certainly at this point when you just had that scene it feels Yarring and like why are we doing this instead of much more contemplative? Which if you listen to the how the song starts This is a couple of seconds where it feels like this is suitable And then it like kicks in and you're like, oh Okay I guess um, I feel I have a way to take it further in that um Pop music as the score, which is what that is right, you know, I think music being used as a score is something that just generally Um by association and a lot of music works by association, right? um Just by association. I feel like it's more often used in sort of bottom-tier trash tv It's used in It is yeah, like so and you've got like um It's well, well the show is going for you know, this this mature story Whereas pop music tends to be associated. I feel with a more immature kind of story It is It is it is associated. I think with the opposite of what the actual tone of the show is Um, um, you know what it's like kind of cool. Oh No, I what I feel would have been kind of cool I've seen shows do it before where they don't actually have their uh title opening on the first episode They just kind of have the first episode walk on its own and they'll have like end credits and shit And then the title theme plays on the second episode. I feel like that would have been a pretty cool choice There are scenes with I would like that a lot better. Yeah, there are scenes where this intro can come after them And it it's mostly fine with me Um, I just think that specifically that prologue deserves something different. Um Yeah, even though I do really like the song now like in the beginning when it played I was like I guess that's the song And I heard it more and more and then it got stuck in my head and then and first I was like Fuck off. Why is this in my head? And now it's on my Spotify playlist and I listen to it normally, so It's like But yeah, it's it's it's a weird one to hear when you first got a show for sure. I remember that distinctly I feel like it bears mentioning that the lyrics are trying Like yes, they're trying to be totally appropriate, but I'm sure they commissioned this song For the show like I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case Uh, I've mentioned this a few times But that's why I always feel a little bit bad flaming this because the Imagine Dragons guys. They're like huge league fans Yeah, and they've They want this to work. They're trying. I just don't know why we went with this tone when the show Almost starts with saying look our tone is not what you're expecting pop song. You're like, wait, what? Okay, yeah So yeah, but like I I tolerated just fine and it didn't ruin anything for me But I just know that a lot of people are upset by it um, if we can talk a little about My favorite visual in the entire part of it, which you can already come to Draw at least something out of it right now Which is that the two girls Are being like nurtured by van der with this figure floating above the three of them like It just it's it's so impactful immediately and I actually think it matches a portion of the song that happens at this point as well Yeah, whatever these statues are awesome. I really like the art style here Mm-hmm. It's very impressive And as you watch more and more of the episodes in the show You recognize more and more things about the intro that's been there all along you recognize the characters You recognize some of the color schemes that they have going you recognize You know a lot what's going on a lot that's being referenced It doesn't spoil anything Because you know, you don't know who these people are at the beginning and then it starts to you start to fill in that knowledge as you go It's always something I get concerned about when I'm watching like an animated show sometimes the intro spoils way too much shit Yeah, a lot of these are contextless, but Again to highlight the other track it's running on you see this shot And I know I did I'm assuming Theo probably did I don't know about anyone else here But it was just like is that Caitlyn? Caitlyn, right? Which you get these like things you almost try to suppress sometimes You don't want it to infect your review of how good the show is or how well written it is, but you're just like Caitlyn's gonna shoot a gun It's like yeah, she has a rifle and she shoots it like calm the fuck down Shoot it again. Come on. Come on do it as well. She was shown earlier with with the hat and in like a So you just like oh Definitely here. I'm pretty sure this image had me confused for ages somebody is running Yeah, I thought that was just a new character. We're gonna. Yeah, it's the out about We'll all make sense eventually Well, yeah, this one was I was just like jay. Oh my god. Yeah I clapped when I saw the hammer I did not clap when he didn't have his big coat Fake fan get it out Um, yeah, and then I I assume it's worth mentioning that a lot of Gameplayers who would have been funneled into this show knew going in that vi and jinx were gonna be the main characters Now if you are aware of the show That's not like I I mean, maybe I'm different on this But that's not exactly an appealing thing for me But then again, I don't know who they could have chosen that would have made me think like Oh, yeah, I want to see a show about those two. I was just like, okay Yeah, I'm because I'm not invested in the in the characters as characters if that makes sense Only for their moveset from the game. It's like, oh, I like this character because he has uh Guns for example or whatever like the moveset and not because Oh, I like this character because he has that and that story arc in the game Yeah, it doesn't really matter to me who they choose as a main character in their show because there's I don't know Maybe it's good. Maybe it's not I would have assumed it was jinx because jinx has been pretty prominent in marketing for a while and not to mention She's a thumbnail on the netflix Selection, well, I mean I mean I mean before I even knew there was a show if someone was like Hey, there's going to be a league of legends show I would have said about jinx like it's just what it's just the first thing I would have thought of I mean, there's a lot of them they regularly use Because league legends is filled with like such impactful design characters that can A lot of normies can get introduced to the game by watching amazing cinematics And they're like wow this game looks amazing and everyone's just like Well, I don't like the cinematic Which is a huge problem All over the gaming industry at this point, which I think by the way thanks to this show A lot of people like can we get one now for world of warcraft? Can we get one for I think you said was it starcraft rise? You reckon could work with this or was it something else? Oh, absolutely Yeah, starcraft is the same kind of you have the same deal where you have gameplay that's a real It's an rts, but the cinematics for it are just like insanely well done and they're super action packed And nothing like the game whatsoever, but it would make for it's very very excellent cinematics So yeah, the same thing doesn't dota have a show I Yeah, is it good? I don't know I haven't played over and I haven't watched it Yeah, that was cringe. Well, I think I I think I heard something about the the the people who did the cinematics for league of legends They're are they the ones who did this show? Uh, yeah, this show is made by uh, Forteesh productions and they've done a bunch of cinematics and stuff for right in the past And this is like the first television show, right? They're big. Yeah, I think so Imagine this in your fresh show And um, well, that's the thing I think they they cut their teeth well in terms of those cinematics A lot of the time they don't even have dialogue and they have to story tell without it Um very deliberately because like You don't have seeds with characters sit down and talk is mostly like they're in fights because that's really cool So the thing is how do you tell a story that's just a fight? You're like, oh well, we need to have some setup and it's like usually characters going somewhere Or experiencing something but you have to do it all through facial expressions And so then it's like now make a tv show. It's like well, we can use dialogue But we know how to do everything else or at least You know, I'm just impressed with them in general but um It's been fun because like as someone who's consumed a lot of the cinematics as they came out You just join the rest of the fans in being like, why aren't they making a tv show? They shouldn't make a tv show and then they finally did and I was like, oh, that's great and You made a tv show cut ago, but it's not I think I think destiny 2 is gonna do a show or something and I think Wow, apparently the show is Sony's been talking about that now that they bought them they want to do Multi, I mean I get we we have definitely entered into the era of video game adaptations are not being terrible Well, so there's that but I guess it's more so that they're more willing because we've had we've had a lot Halo's coming out unsharded comes out. There's like month sonic 2's coming out. They're doing a mario movie Christ me at all. It's only a matter of time There are a lot of Like films and tv shows based on video games because I think we have just very much reached the point of Oh video games are just like mainstream and have been a while and we should probably stop pretending that they're not like incredibly Significant in terms of culture I think it just took that first really big hit for a lot of people to get their plans together They've been tossing it around they've been preparing but nothing official and then the first big one comes out That sort of establishes that it's super viable and it can be a big hit and then it'll boost the momentum. All right Here we go For everyone else that this is a proven concept like I wouldn't be surprised. We get a bio shock tv show at some point Because that was in the works for so long and it just never happened But with all this happening. It's like people like bio shock But um because we're nice and cynical here at eFap. We want to tell you everybody that this is Also bad news because we'll be getting a shit ton of bad things as well Sometimes something is good. It's bad news for everything else Well Trailer This isn't good because it's a league of legends tv show. It's good in spite of being a league of legends tv show I mean like I don't know that I'd say it's in spite. I guess it would more so be that I didn't expect it to be I assume the people who I don't expect anything to be good The yeah, I mean you expect things to be bad, but video game adaptations are like what won for like 36 at this point Or something. I mean Annihilation was great I've had it has a good season and then violently shits itself Yeah, I was gonna say I watched the first two and they were pretty pretty good I think and gee you're right and that's my one of my big concerns is that uh arcade season 2 I will be terrified watching that Yeah, me too I Instantly I was super doing the super big concern when I heard there, you know, there's gonna be a second season Well, I expect that there would be a second season I just do a concern for its existence in general compare that to like Squid game or I'm like, I don't even I don't even know that you need a second season Arcane we've got a shit ton of threads that are not finished off yet So I'm okay with the story. I just worry in general. I would have it's the same worry I had for watching season one. I'd be like this could be shit, but let's do it If it's the same people, I think it's gonna be better. I'm way more hopeful than you guys Yeah, I would be Your cold dooma I'll be I'll be the one who's probably the most cynical about the show or actually getting into it, but for season two I'm pretty hopeful I will say being pessimistic and preparing for things to be shit has been a really useful tool for us, you know, it's Absolutely Our receptors haven't been blown out yet I've been in that mode for about 18 years or something watching movies. Let me be optimistic for once No, no, fuck you Every time I'm optimistic it bites me in the ass. Yeah And it's worth mentioning that this is the closest I would say a visual comes to a spoiler It doesn't take much for a viewer to guess a lot of things about seeing this image Um I suppose there's no point in this highlight next to benefit you in any way shape or form But people who played the game love this shock because they're like, oh my goodness They're gonna end up exactly the way they look in the game and they're gonna fight But I don't even know what they these two mean to each other yet because um Yeah, we don't even have any names of characters yet. So it's really just it just sits in the back of your head as like a thing So there's a level of interest in that Out of all the visuals, I think most of them actually happen this This visual never happens But no, you could say that from a metaphorical point of view it does I would still say no Probably I don't know that I would say it. Yeah that this happens. Um Even metaphorically, but that's fine It ends with a vibe you might be able to try and do a very Uh, of an we'll we'll try and do an interpretation of it once we finish talking about the show We'll see if we can justify why we'd have a visual like this um Yeah, anything else anyone wants to say about this intro I skipped it I'm correct about the music 100 percent, but visually it's excellent and I really really liked it Let's get a whole show like this We just go claymation guys play people look like people Doing that thing. What is that halo believe? Uh, oh, but it's just a show now That would be better than the halo show There there there will be there will there is a pile of halo three ads on youtube that will be better than the halo show You know halo three had insanely good commercials Well, it does feel like when you have something come along like arcane Which is a western adult mature non-comedy or not trying to be anyway like animated show You would think it's like man. You could have done halo like this, but you didn't You just decided not to because that shows not outright Is the halo shows But the showrunner the showrunner like quit before it came out, which is a pretty bad sign, right? Well, that's a great sign The trailer is out and I saw the trailer Yeah, when the show when the showrunner leaves before it starts all that says is that he has incredible confidence in the crew He knows they're gonna make a great product. He doesn't even need to be there because it's gonna be so amazing I think he uh, I think he finished the season and then left or Oh, one of them left one of them left halfway and then the other one left at the end Nice He finished the season. I was just looking at the product like oh, uh, yeah, I have other things to do So I'm gonna go And halo works would translate really really well to uh this style or other just an animation in general There was the Right, the halo. Yeah, there was halo legends There was the halo perfect novel that was all kinds of different styles and they all look great No, but instead we're gonna get In a lot of people's minds. I don't get it. Yeah, I guess so Kind of a shame because it means it's gonna it's gonna look they're they're probably gonna cut a lot of corners And it's gonna look not well apparently they got a decently large budget. Um I guess it's just I keep think of all the Chevy Silverados. We'll see Well, I yeah, I just I guess I keep describing it as just like it ain't mando money, but it's it's like not I don't know like a cbs tv show production money like it's somewhere in between And maybe you need mando money to do a halo show We'll see we'll see a rich sci-fi thing like that Yeah, mate. We'll see. Yeah It can't hurt but I mean mando has mando money and that's shit. So Oh Well, I feel like we can we really need the numbers on um, how much it took to make the show because I keep hearing conflicting Uh I keep hearing that it's like it's a low-budget show, but it's also a high-budget show I don't know so somebody's gonna have to look into that at some point It's uh elbow like talked about me Uh-oh, I'm gonna stop right there. We can't hear a thing that you're saying Oh, why your mic is all flimpy doing a robot. Let us go to At least help a little what's your first second then Bring make a point whatever it was Okay I think no everyone Yeah Bring it back. Oh, bring it back. Leave Singapore. You all seem fine to me Oh, okay. Yeah, it sounds robotic to me right now. Thanks, man Yeah, we're all looking fine. I think it just I think it fixed it's uh It sounds fine now. Okay. I wanted to highlight Mel I watched your um your arcane forge. Uh, I like that it was a three hour thing We are one hour in and we've done the intro I knew we'd be long but once again, I have surprised myself at how long You said nine hours and I'm like really well now I'm sorry. I think it might be It might be two parts. I'm not sure we can get this done. If one anymore if this is going to take this long Yeah, that that was my expectation exactly. It's like I was saying earlier. We'll split it after episode three It's all good because we'll be at 12 hours at that point. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even talk about the intro could have been four hours easily for me So but I was also not going for a full breakdown. So there you go. I guess we'll uh We'll move in to the next episode Move in because obviously I think for you want to say something, but I don't know if he's Oh, there he is. Sorry. Hey, buddy. We were talking about budget Oh I mando had a hundred million dollar budget and I don't know that we know what the figures are for They're just not For arcane I heard it was like a well Briefly heard that it was like a 10 million uh per episode. So it was like 90 million in total That's all I heard. I think Official source I don't know if I had that much but trying to budget on the books But like this season of book of oboe fair the production because they would They'd have to like put some numbers in different places, right because it's like it's clearly not Because they were packaged as probably five episodes depending on what we see in the finale But like the the two episodes we just saw is like those those come from a different production or a different idea I wonder how fucking complicated and weird that has to be when like auditing and stuff Because it's packaged as a season, but it's not By the way, I I uh, I saw some people saying do you guys know like do you misunderstand what the title means? The book of oboe fair have you read a book before there are chapters that go to different characters The people who wrote through with the show can't read no way man. Did someone actually say Yeah, yeah, I forgot what the word book means. No, I don't believe you. Nobody's coping that up Um, have you been on twitter? See you come on Don't show up to twitter tomorrow Sometimes the best way to respond to an argument is just a clip where you read it out and everyone in the room laughs And then they're like this is a great joke and he's like, yeah, yes. Yep. Thanks So the episode begins with a little team of people Climbing up some some tower Looking to uh to get to the top of it. I guess and what the fuck what's going on? I didn't sign up for this. Who are these people's names? It's a terrible story in my show. I think not. Yeah Awful, but um, you know, I guess Immediately it's got you got buys at the top encouraging the rest to follow her So she's just the leader as well as being what seems to be the most ready-enable um And you've got like I think clagger and Milo and powder are all like asking different questions about whether or not This is something they should be doing and basically every time vi will be like, yes, this is the thing we should do They won't care bandit would have done it Let's do it sort of thing. She's very very driven and um They have the show begin with them climbing up And then like sighing as they reach the top and that's the visual and I think she says it's good to get above it all Reinforcement she must live down below. Oh my goodness. Just yeah, just look how amazing this looks Yeah, so we'll take up a land. You're so good. We'll take opportunities to try and compliment everything as we go but absolutely this shot is fucking gorgeous and um It helps the story because piltover is glorious But yeah, I think there's there's two of these shots too, right because we cut the side then we cut to a There's a zeppelin so we get like two of these shots and they're both amazing Yeah Um, this is a really pretty show it's uh What is the the the general way they do it like everything is This 3d models and then on 2d backgrounds, but also 3d objects as well here in there, right like Frame by frame effects sometimes as well like yeah, yeah They do a lot of particles in they do a lot of particles in 2d animation and it's like it's pretty Obvious in many points and it's beautiful each time. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it looks really good uh Yeah, and this is the thing as well that we'll probably have to start talking about is that not much time is wasted at all in these Just in telling story and giving you um information Uh, yeah Even so this is something that's probably worth bringing up I think we should treat this when talking about it at first as though These are our main characters. I don't see why not. Um, yeah and so like you have um powder like idealistically is like I can't wait to Uh be on a blimp one day and uh milo is like I can't wait to shoot it down It's like you're already gonna be like, okay Uh And then they get that immediately a fair their first challenge Which is as they're on their little adventure at least the ones that we see Which is to jump from one rooftop to another one and it's not an easy way thing to do And there's an element of trying to slide down first and get a better vantage to jump the second place I does it. It's a little a little bit like not perfect, but she pretty much nails it Um leading by example. Yeah, then milo is like out of my way. I'm gonna do it And screws up a little bit But like and looks worried To some smaller degree But still makes it and he's like really happy with himself But before he can even get praise claga just jumps right next to him of the huge thud Um, yeah And eats one of the cupcakes that run from the windowsill Yeah, which implies to me that while milo was like all about like look at me I'm doing I'm doing claga was just doing it as well. Like it's just not a big deal. Um And yeah, just making them In a in a simpler sense a lighter and then heavier character, uh, and We'll discover quickly that milo's a lock picker while claga is more of a brute Like cool. It's almost like classic Before I knew milo's name I was just calling him baby junk rat Makes sense. He does kind of yeah He doesn't set any traps for his prey though No, not yet. I figured he was going he was building to that Um, yeah, remember overwatch Ha ha ha. No, I'm I'm good I'm good This shot of powder space is one of those times where the facial expressions are just incredible. The animation is very very good I'm gonna say I do a lot of character work again because it's basically like powder's the only one and of course She is because she's much younger who's hesitating to do this at all And uh, just something to note that I find neat is that milo is like, uh, she's not really do it and claga's like I'll help her and then she's like no no no no The again just showing you what the two interests of those two characters are and then vise which is she can do it Let's just encourage her to do it And obviously she has the most trouble doing it. She almost dies technically by Almost falling but she manages to get there with vise help Um, and yeah, as doom just said the expression This is actually a shot that a lot of people have used in thumbnails and different points of appreciation for the show It's just Being very strong in telling you exactly what Hmm. Yeah, so it's it's easier to crop out a blue background. So you get the character and put it into your thumbnails So you have to watch out for her here Yeah a little bit Um, and yeah, I think she just repeats back. I'm ready All this shit's important for later Yeah, she makes it they make it they they start heading toward, uh, I think they even discussed that they've got the tip um From someone about this particular place that it very likely will have lots of stuff in it worth stealing Um, the thing is that they're also worried about Banda, which we don't we don't know who that is yet, but it's just a an authority figure that's not going to be happy And she says he would have done it um Because this is apparently a place that's very risky to be doing this shit in Um, it's it's not a huge amount for us to draw yet, but we just have to sort of keep these things in mind um Yeah, I like that uh Milo is trying to work at the at the lock while commenting on how it's sort of rough and uh I guess uh clunky everyone is and then has the door burst open by via just picking it And the whole expression he gives to animals animals Yeah, which is fun considering they're all stealing from somebody um And yeah, I think it's probably I don't know if that's nothing from filthy top-siders True. Yeah, it might be worth commenting already on the costume design uh Everyone here has costumes that look to be made From like repurposing clothing that wouldn't fit them or is incomplete Uh, yeah, it either looks like they just simply It's multiple colors that don't necessarily You know like gel too much. It's just whatever they sort of got shoulder pads Yeah, and it's very clear that they don't they're not from around here Yeah, they've wherever they come from resources are low. They've they've patched together different pieces of different clothes They hand me downs and stuff I bring it up Because i'm so mean, but look at Boba Fett has the people extravagantly dressed in clean like Vehicles that look expensive as hell with body mods. They are the the victims apparently of Low income it's like I don't really Wait where the jets where the jets and scooters poor people. Yes Yes They had to steal water because I couldn't afford it Oh, yes And they have body mods that apparently no one else could like Because the way that you get them is by paying So nobody has them except for you guys, but you're the poor people I don't it just doesn't line up at all because they just didn't really think about it Like a grant or some kind of program maybe yeah mods for poor um, something I want to note is that uh Milo jumps in himself. So does vi But uh claga makes sure to help powder in Self before he goes in Seems to be a nice dude just from the little bit we've seen Yeah, you character's gross It's just that um, we don't even know his name about halfway through. Yeah, we we've we've talked about this With several just stories, but like all the tiny actions in the middle of scenes the character build whether or not you want it to Yeah Like someone getting hurt and everyone just keeps walking and doesn't care You'd be like, oh, well, I'm just they're just getting to the location They need to get to it's like you just had them not acknowledge or care about someone who's hurt like that mean something Mm-hmm. Yeah stuff like that um Yeah, it seems like they they're caring about this. Uh, so Uh, they break in and I thought I thought it was sort of interesting that vi immediately goes for the books to see what she can find Milo's just fascinated by basically everything and uh, it's really like an inventor or engineers penthouse I think they refer to it as a penthouse Yeah, they definitely do Yeah, and they're just pouring stuff into their bag to uh, elect And again, it's just uh, you you sort of appreciate like I just love the way that they every thing they're looking at You get to look at their faces. Um and appreciate The expressions because again, it's just another source of being able to be told stuff Could you you were mentioning earlier about how It maybe even be better than having actual actors and it's just like well It probably would be in a sense that you've got animators Who can spend as long as they want on just one expression While an actor they take several takes and then you choose the best one From a limitation. Well, you know What's always kind of funny too. No go ahead By virtue of it being an animation you could sort of stretch Maybe what an expression could be Or how people might be able to react to things because it is not real in that sense Yeah, uh, they can be a lot more they can be larger than life essentially Yeah, yeah Yeah, and in many instances animators Often will make the facial expressions themselves They kind of act the character out and they just kind of like pay attention to what happened to their own face And then apply it to the character. So a lot of acting really does go into um Animating a certain character's face and everything and if you just if you don't really know How facial expressions, you know Gell with acting then a lot of the times you're going to wind up with stiff emotions. So I feel like yeah Acting is a big part of animation as well and you without actual actors I'm just trying to balance copyright coverage as well. Of course So my discord is being a bit lumpy. I'm gonna restart discord real quick one sec It's a small little thing that uh powder knows what she's talking about just a little bit in terms of the technology stuff lying around the place Yeah, she's fascinated by this device. She's aware of it She's able to name it. I think things are it's a valbiania Yeah Identifies the thing milo pulls out as well. That's like, yeah, we're gonna start here. Um, well, she's good at if anything There we go But yeah, all looking around for things to steal and then they they basically say like better hurry and put Things that matter in there because milo's gonna fill it up with junk because he just Shiny is all the matters to him, but with it seems the powder understands back uh to some degree But as they keep looking around they find this Will become important later, but no Not quite I'm actually not I'm not talking about that bit. So the uh, they found a device of some kind with a little stone inside it. Um Um Don't know what this is. There's all blueprints around it and stuff Interesting Just uh Again the expressions on everybody you could just appreciate it. It's fun. It's just it's always gonna be something to look at Yeah, and looking back and seeing this little device now And then knowing what will happen with it later and later. It's like, ah You can see where it comes from from this point where it goes Something happens with that No, not not that specific one But you could see how that is similar to the stuff they use later on and it gets built on and it gets bigger and You call it a prototype You could call it that. Um Yeah That's gonna get hard sometimes How to uh, you you said yeah jay. What do you want? What do you want? Yeah, um, uh, that's what you were saying, right? What do you think about how to explore and what are you? Uh powder exploring. I love exploring powder. Um, there's this like big like powder area right next to my city And I just like go through journeys there explore powder all right she um Looking around with some stuff and then we get another nice detail of in terms of Visual expression. I I love as well as just expression of itig, but seeing just a sandwich is like Gold to her which again, yes Real phone, let's go Yeah, dude, so that means they probably don't have Fantastic diets where they come from. Yeah, their sandwiches are shit probably Um, she's not even the least bit concerned as to whether or not it's stale She just bites into that bastard Now's your chance, so I was like, uh Yeah Not even the sniff test Yeah, and then the sandwich is near something else that looks a little bit Hey, you know what they say if it looks like a sandwich and tastes like a sandwich It probably smells like a sandwich Yeah Maybe that's something they say that's something they say That's a hot take I think And then powder is like maybe there's some more sandwiches in this chest. So she's trying Maybe this whole chest full sandwiches. Yes It's a it's a twight game the neat little room too. I was uh, I was trying to look around. It's like you can see a guitar what looks like some kind of maybe shield Another chest obviously everything's pretty messy because he's just trying to Yeah, do an invention That could be a bong a sci-fi bong. You don't know That could be a weapon guitar I get a laser guitar that's very true Yeah, she opens it up this little boxy thing and there's a lot of little gems inside it Which I think they're a signal of value to basically anybody Like you should probably there was one of them now there's several Yeah, they're bright crystals now. How could that not be worth something? um But unfortunately The apartment owner is here. Oh no Oh, it's the shot from the episode thing Wait, what? What it's like it's like the thumbnail in Netflix. I think is the shot of her eye Oh, is it? I don't know. I thought I thought the shot from Netflix was here sitting on a chair or are they a couple of them? Yeah, I was sitting on a chair Really and white You're probably thinking of thumbnails again maybe Maybe just obsessed with eyes Yeah, they're the window of the soul metal. Let's grab these funny crystal thingies and go the owner is home. They gotta get the fuck out And then I think by like commands Milo to sort out the door I guess it's a regular thing that he blocks it with chairs the fact that he's just sitting on it. I guess the um There's just a little bit of unity like because they probably experienced a lot of this Like get out of there before your court sort of shit But um, unfortunately powder drops one of the the crystals when she's trying to grab them up quick And it rolls across the floor and slams into the wall and that explodes um Which is very bad Because explosions do damage Yeah, I say about explosions for everybody uh and and What I like about it is the Not only does it just look cool And and then we're always like oh stakes have raised but the first thing we see vi do is check to make sure everybody's okay And then she starts to assess the damage Um Instead of just running away It there's like a a want to see what she may have done as a result of this or what kind of has happened Um, but to be fair most of them have no clue why this has happened yet Uh, yeah, not even powder because she didn't even see that she dropped it Yeah Something just blew up Um, I don't know if you guys notice this, but it's like Damn, they really are trying to get that attention I guess there's like bits of paper floating in the air from all of the papers in the in the room and the books and stuff They're all burning and so They're getting like smaller as the flame Uh Is is like reducing them while the shot is flowing like see the blue singe on the pages. That's really Yeah They're burning through them as they move Man, I was taking That must have taken ages. Yes, you're really cool. Yeah, look at that And you want I think it was worth it. Yeah I'll take right there. Yeah so Um alarms are going off. They're kind of fucked now and uh, we cut to them running away from enforcers Who uh have little uh, I I call them I call it a bola. It's the closest thing. I know that exists that looks like this But this is more of a sci-fi one It's pretty much Yeah, like I I didn't know what it was supposed to be because of the like the way it had three prongs I was like, what the fuck is that thing? I don't know normally with three It's a bolus Ha ha Very well. No, it's it's not a joke. That's that's what it's called I think Well, there's probably more than one but as far as I knew they're always called bolas b o l a Hey, I think a single is called a bolus. I can double check just out of curiosity. That would make sense bola also A bolus uh plural bolus or boluses from the spanish bola for ball So it's from the spanish bola Primarily used for hunting consisting of stone balls usually in a group of three. Oh, okay. There was a group of two Three is a magic number. Oh, yes it is. Um So they just fucking run and try and escape. Oh god The worst thing ever is if them forces grab them um I would argue that the way that they run away in the little bits like with stairs and moving past corners and stuff is closer to who they like the Plaga Being heavy and and this is a little run the powder does when going down the stairs are so dainty compared to everybody else's Yeah, because vi I think does like a slide down the stick it she she does all the cool stuff Well, she bounces off it my logo down this staircase rail. I tore my back pocket Sorry, yeah, my logo sliding down. It was super expressive here. I didn't even notice that Yeah, vi bounces off the wall. He slides down the thing and uh, yeah powder's just going How do I use this each stair? Charges through yeah, yeah, which again, I just think is opportunities. Uh, don't waste them um The bowl isn't coming close spooky Uh, I think uh vi is aware of the Um, they even mentioned that they've done this before Because of the exit they used they've used before but um The bridge is closing up they jump over it and I thought it was going to be a cliche I just have it so that it stops everyone else from chasing them But no like seven or so enforcers still managed to get over. There's just like, yeah, it's not going to save them And one slips or guy He could be in serious trouble. Hope he's okay Yeah, I don't think you get recover from that unfortunately Yeah, uh as they is another example as well, they all slam into the wall um And claggers is like the biggest hit like by And then Um, he's actually a question Almost walks through the wall So someone alluded to there being something especially dangerous about the water and piled over harbor. Does anyone know anything about that? Yeah, um, they they talk about that Uh, and like I want to say like five or six episodes in so um, I think Oh, no, you're probably thinking you're probably thinking of the under city, honestly So I don't think over water Yeah, I Well, we it'll be the beginning of episode three. We can probably talk about that. Um Because it's it's much more of it um But yeah, they uh, she breaks like a gas Main thing and it confuses a lot of people which gives them a chance to get to a drain and they jump down into a trash compact What it is, okay Reference to always I'm sure that in decades to come Random objects and the trash compactor will not be brought back for sheer nostalgia points Raggle they would tweet people celebrating that I know people are fucking lame I know what that is. You do know what that is Yeah, being being the hater I am I there's a bunch of stuff I saw in the first episode that I thought was a blood hole And none of it actually was so here's one of them is that she has the Let's say the Unstable objects in her pocket and they're like sliding down the thing and then they violently land But they first of all land on trash which might be soft and second of all it's in her side pocket So it's actually not a blood hole along with everything else that I noticed which is really good sign Yeah, that's pretty chill. They need a lot of aggravation to explode I know it was one of my concerns when I was watching originally because when I when I saw the the first um Gungan ball roll and it hit the wall they slow it down which might on it which Confused me. I think at first I thought that it just barely had to hit the wall in order to go off when they just had Slow-mode it And so then I was like, how shouldn't these things be going off all the time? And I was like, oh, no, I it's okay. It's At the same thing Yeah, jay and I are on the same page when it comes to the random slow-mo through Um, it feels like it might not be in the scene of slow-mo just you know for for people like us who are a bit slower than everyone else We're maybe we're or are we faster than everyone else? Yeah, we're too fast. Yeah, we're too fast We're like sign in shadow the hedgehogs Go fast Yeah, we have to go fast Slow-mo throws us out of whack our bodily rhythm. Mm-hmm Yesterday we saw sonic going medium speed We did true. Oh, that's true. Yeah, we did. We saw many versions of sonic Any blue creature sonic is what I learned Um, yeah, I think Milo is like, I don't fucking want to go down. She just kicks him down which uh Again, it's just a rip-off of Star Wars when they kick chewy down or was it chewy? I can't remember anymore. Who gets kicked down or someone gets kicked in the ass. I remember that much lumpy lumpy probably gets kicked down Yeah, um, but once they've landed I think Milo is like somebody's fucked this up and powders like it's not me and he's like, yeah Yeah, it's never you um and vice like we've got the shit. Let's just go like whatever it's fine I love how poor Milo lands face first and all this metal crap Well, look at Milo's face. This is clearly not the first time he's been using his I think he says that head is Oh, does he think he says like you you said last time that this was the last time Yeah, it turns out he was just referring to him falling on his face. Yeah. Yeah, that's it twice face looks all fucked up Yep, baby junk rat man I really enjoy how the shot is framed as well You know Collagger is obscuring powder from view until in mansion everyone turns to look at her. Yeah And then she's like the focal point of the entire thing because she stands out in terms of coloration as well A lot of great moments like that Really the whole show yeah, something I noticed a lot are Did you guys notice all the match cuts? There's so many match cuts in this show You mean like a cut where I guess we'll get to them match cuts looks like Yeah, like I cut from one scene to another where A cut from one scene to another where the location changes, but there's like very very very strong resemblance Yeah, like it'll cut from a circular thing to another circular thing, but they're very yeah I don't recall them doing it way too much, but I can think of a few places that they have. Well, um Feel free to point them out. I didn't say it was too much. They were good Yeah, I'll I'll point them out if we see them uh Yeah, then we see um They're on their way back But some some lads have spotted them looks like the local bullies like nelson months and his friends basically Oh, yeah, which um, again, it's funny how this shows can work, but I when I was first watching it in my head I was like Um, but you find out that they were sent to keep an eye on them by somebody okay, that's fine Um, yeah, they basically are like Give us at least some of what you've stolen uh And it looks like vi Big is that the only way that this is gonna work is if they get into a fight um Which is again, if you look at the lot of them laggers already put himself in front of vi Milo is more just curious and then powders looking very defensive straight away like Yeah, and everybody's really appropriate This is appropriate league group positioning you get the tank out front and go take aggro Yeah, if powders the support she needs to move back Stay safe Yeah, powder is too close. She's gonna get cc'd. Mm-hmm. Oh, no, I brought first Um, but yeah, vi is like all right everyone chill and have a taste And then she fucking hits him with it because she lied Or at least what was implied that's just fucked up with character Yeah, so is this decorate what's the stupid sense that she would say think one thing but that then a different thing happened like that's a plot hole Yeah, it was really weird. That's an inconsistency between what she said and what she did. Yeah Yeah, that's kind of why I hate by One moment. We should have had some internal monologue, but she says I hate her because she's a woman True Based I hit her because she's Yeah, the uh, can I put the subtitles on I don't know what'll I don't even know that I have subtitles on this actually so but uh, I don't know what vlc'll do because I'm constantly skipping around so it's probably gonna Like that, um, honestly surprised vlc hasn't glitched their faces up yet Um, yeah, oh, yeah, that normally happens It wouldn't dare touch this show I like the ensuing brawl a lot because it's really scuffed. Yeah Yeah, it's not clean. It's not uh, and these are Characters beating the shit out of each other and it really just looks like people are getting hurt Yeah, yeah, it's like another sort of tone-setter like we're willing to show some people getting wrapped up wrapped up in fights We're gonna do it Hurt on both sides I think that's important to mention these days that both sides get hurt and not only the enemies Yeah To you just running the show. Well, I was gonna say This is your main female character That some people may have had concerns that she would have like You know, because people especially with their hair. There was like comments about like, oh, she's gonna be shit This is like she's getting beaten the fuck out right now and she's one of the like I was very happy to see this. I was like, oh sweet. We're gonna have actual like stakes instead of bullshit Yeah, yeah, it's important to establish with your fights what what kind of tone they're gonna take on right Because you can have a world where the fights and like aren't consequential like I don't think um Well, like loads of cartoons have like fights. It's just like yeah We're doing a fight scene doesn't really it's not gonna you know, it's not the kind of thing You're supposed to be invested in that that hard but The fights in this show it's established right from the off that yeah getting in a fight It's not a good idea and you probably shouldn't do it This is a world where that's kind of you know, realistic in that if you fight someone as there's Very likely there's gonna be consequences to that for you. It's one of your options And it is one that comes with the consequences that fighting someone in real life has Yeah, by gets the shit kicked out of her like most the time, right? Yeah, she takes a lot of damage in this show. It's awesome. Yeah And it's it's clear that she's like really impulsive and we'll see that come to a head Um Milo with the fucking hammer fist Absolutely wrecked Uh, yeah, and then we just get uh claggers taking two on at once which is pretty awesome The clearly the tank at this point MVP He's a big dude in a street fight. So This happens like Just kicks an idea Yeah, um, and I'm pretty sure we're supposed to draw up from this the powder is terrified. Um While everybody's in their brawl I know right What was that? So she was she's a coward a wimp. Uh, yeah Pathetic disgusting Um, yeah, we got some slow-mo to just appreciate how rough everything is I would argue And it's again kind of like the intro. We are just like a bunch of kids fighting and it's People getting things broken and shit I've seen children Yep, lots of lots of spit, but with bits of blood thrown into Spit in blood Sploom I love sploom Put the sploom down J love sploom is my favorite character That's blue. That does sound like a j character. Um, and one of them chase his powder out while the rest are still fighting Uh Milo, I think is only keeping up his end sort of and it actually looks for a second like Vi is losing um But then she's like I'm gonna have to get that on the screen It's way longer than it should there you go now you can see the me It's so good good stuff Uh It's funny because it contains violence against women. Yes But uh, I love as well that the we go from being a little bit unfocused to focusing up camera-wise on Vi after she's beaten the guy um getting on screen and uh She just she just looks like she had some trouble and she's bleeding She's holding her chest and she spits something out. It's just like nice you in that Instead of you know, just standing tall we compliment it all the time I feel like the go-to reference for everybody is daredevil the show if anyone's watched the fight scenes in that It's just it's always so much better when your character looks like they've actually been through something instead of just standing tall That was easy It depends on the tone that you're going for right, but yes It's especially in this kind of you know, this show would be far inferior if it if it if they just stood up like yeah We won and that was it Yeah, clager takes his first hit here. Yeah, and he does a smart Rose uh dirt in there. I'm like a certain fully maguire And then fucking does this move which I imagine metal knows the name of boo Fucking awesome Now what are you not coming back from that? Oh, what sorry, what's the move called? You must know fat man pocket sand Pocket saying I I know it give it give me a second It's a spine buster there you go Well, it's a good name That kid's fucking dead um, and yeah, uh Milo's actually Offerly losing his fight, but then by uh comes in with a plank a brie Larson is on hand and fuck some up Super effective Just really enjoyed the one laugh in response to that joke Um Yeah, I I guess I'll try and keep on to it until later. There's a note about like the something small about this fight That's really cool. It gets carried on to in let's say the future. Um Anyway, they've won But they don't have the oh well, I guess it's worth mentioning. Yeah Deckard the leader of the bullies pulls out a knife. He's like Let's fucking do it Which by the way if anybody on this planet was gonna highlight that as a fucking hole that he didn't pull it out To begin with Just gonna tell you that the fights don't work that way. He's desperate now and he's willing to kill them now He wasn't willing to kill him before Um not to mention the civil war will see why that he didn't do that right away either later in the episode too So no worries. Yeah, there's a lot of like it's it's a tiny little thing here But it's just a bit of character for Deckard and that you know He's the big man on campus or he wants to be the big man on campus at the very least He has been emasculated Yes, um almost just a good little character moment as well Vi just puts his face right to it and it's just like do you want to see where that goes? Totally no Um, I know I just I see this here basically saying like you're gonna fucking die if you try that like right Probably it's it's the ultimate it's the ultimate giga chat assert dominance, right? Oh, yeah do it 50 post as well Do it go on do it I tend not to like see t-poses they do scammy and media it's so powerful but like Gotta be prepared for any um He fucks off great And then they go look for powder who's having her own action scene Yeah, she's just desperately trying to stay away from this guy and uh, she opts to throw one of her inventions at him But it just pops Full of nails Yeah, um Without a killed him like yeah It certainly could and that's that's something that's interesting to think about I would say like it's um, I think so too Like how does kind of have like Ted Kosinski vibes. She's like making pipe bombs and stuff like right well you I get I guess it'll be reincorporated later the idea that she If this would have gone off it very well might have like shredded him and killed him But It didn't work, but the next time she uses an explosive device It doesn't it also is like maybe Maybe it will I mean She has an excited look When it's about to go off rather than she doesn't care about the welfare of this asshole She wants wants to make sure the shit works There's two angles to that first off, you know, okay, she quite right in the head because of this But the other perspective is is this just life down here? Yeah, probably just how things are like Especially with the way zore knights tend to treat deaths throughout the show Um She's like retro She literally does here and I think it's the first instance of it, but it's something that I definitely noticed. Uh, she bites her lip Whenever she's in combat Um, and I I know it sounds like a strange sort of detail But it's just that it's something she does that nobody else does and she always does um Little like I didn't know this that at all so far. I'm trying to get it. That's interesting annoying because of copyright, but uh We'll see loads of examples of it uh going forward, but she Yeah, she I guess is her way of like On the verge of excitement with with how things are going to go by also has a tick that I've got a thing prepared for That it can show you it much better Um, but yeah, uh, it doesn't work. She's very sad about that and uh, instead of him Getting the stuff from her. She throws it over the edge to distract him and she gets away with the time that he spends looking for it Nobody gets it Uh, and yeah, and you hit the 20 minute mark almost at this point And it's just like, uh, I think I think we're doing pretty well in terms of giving us information I was already just like, hmm. All right You know, I think it's worth me watching it rather than just As as a lot of people will and I don't even blame them first because I do playing stuff But playing a game while having it on the second screen Play that a lot. Yeah Yeah, you'll miss a lot if you do that and that's kind of what I Realized when I had first watched it that I was doing work while watching it I realized on my second viewing that I had missed so much You know, rich subtle character development just by seeing their actions and it's just kind of crazy and so, you know We've had a couple of different Focus Yeah, it's kind of the difference between uh Sorry, yeah, that's the difference. Oh, no, I was in a month like just sort of like content Like it's like what monitor is it on right? It's like if you have to focus on it. It's like, you know That's really one or one content right here. So a lot of and it was in Well, go ahead Oh, no, I was just saying we had a lot of people going like, whoa, they're really uh They're they're really stretching for things to talk about here. It's like no, dude Like all of this is just the beginning And of course it just doesn't help that everything just looks so fun to look at too. That's just like come on I this is beautiful I want to appreciate the earlier episodes a lot of people say like one and two A boring or lame or whatever and it's like you'd be surprised how much is going on in these episodes. Um the inform future events, but uh Yeah, they um, they go to like a really dingy part of town Which apparently is where the one of the main elevators for taking you down to the the lanes is stored And um, they're just they're just arguing back and forth about how wow, you know, we the whole job was for nothing how to lost the um the swag And milo says every time she comes something goes wrong. She jinxes every job As somebody who hasn't seen As somebody like completely uninitiated with league of legends that went right over my head and then they but then it didn't later I've seen people call that on the nose. I feel like Yeah, like On the nose if you've played the game to death Exactly. It's not it's not a natural dialogue. It's only on the nose if you know I don't I don't stuff like that. I knew the matter. I don't think it's usually Yeah, yeah Stuff like that usually a noise look out of me and I didn't bother me at all As in like these people only think it's on the nose because they're so familiar with the matter, right? But again, so I'd rather clarify My reaction was like, oh nice nice way to slip that in. Um, when it's on the nose, for example, like Look asoka. I'm like Yeah, like they could have easily screwed that line up by making him say like we should name her jinx instead But she but he chose the word she jinxes everything Yeah, because that's a normal thing people say in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you jinx stuff by it's just like a superstitious sort of comment that you fuck everything up by being here Um, and I would argue this shot here incredibly important to consider going forward Reasons may not even be fully understanding of right now, which is fine. Um, which I only realized on my second watch through almost at the end We're surrounded by water That's not no, that's not what I was thinking It's like episode seven league. I was surrounded by water. God damn It's just so you know that It's just so natural. I think such a retarded thing from you know, it's just I can't stretch or retarded that sentence. He was born on Kamino surrounded by water in the little tube baby tube I just want to cut character there when he says that it was goes it goes like that. What what do you mean? I grew up surrounded by dudes who looked exactly fucking like me. It was weird Literally everyone I knew was either a dude who looked just like me or a fucking weird alien with a neck longer than their arm When boba The first time I saw The first time or a person who didn't look like me. I was like, whoa Are you a different species because every time I thought he was just looked exactly like me, you know You remember, um So boba fat for some reason is just there in the beginning of rise of skywalker when poh is explaining how the emperor came back And he mentions cloning and then boba just goes I grew up surrounded by clones They're all just like Growing up growing up literal Growing up as someone who is like the only Like I guess celebrated growth but surrounded by people who are like genetically identical clones God give you an interesting perspective on people and life, right? No Oh asking rights So anyway, they they'll that's where he learned tusken rights from all the clones that makes sense Uh, they'll they'll their little almost fight is broken up by by baby Maybe if he maybe if he wasn't went to camino, he would say these waters belong to the clones Well, no, they belong to the camino people Not the clones. Maybe he thinks the clones deserve to stay there before they belong to the clones I I don't know. It's I I don't know how many generations of clones. I don't have an answer I don't know three Man, that's uh, how how long is that like 20 years because I grow up real quick, don't I? Yeah, ice speed. I think something like that. Yeah Which would be great if we can do it in half the time so it's twice the speed That that age development's gonna fuck them in the ass when they get to a certain level Well, do they um, do they not have a child? Is it just like they have half the childhood or does like their growth acceleration Continue into like that aging because to me like as far as like growing up and then aging those are separate processes, right? Where One is you maturing in on all that and the other is um the degradation of your cells with time I'm sure they don't see why uh Perfect acceleration would accelerate use of everything because of the way that they've been Yeah, because they were given like the kind of like like simulations and Yeah, they've had a rough upbringing Yeah, they were well I'm gonna do reality further. Let's just say anyway. I'll cane if you guys remember I'll be very after what That's our cane Intro to all right the lanes Well, this is the thing it goes by a lot of names. You guys are welcome to call it whatever you want There's like four different names. Yeah, the under cities on the lanes I imagine multiple times while I was making notes for this like is it this This is the other game just come later for something else. It's like, oh no They just call it different things all the time. It is not officially called song. Yeah No, yeah, that's what they want. That's what they want to call it. Okay Um, but to be fair The under city is probably its official name, right? Pretty much. Yeah, that's what they that's what they call it Only one character is calling it zon right now, but not yet Cringe name and this stupid Just like you Got him. Hey, I'm not a name. Why do you think zorn is a cringe name? I thought she sounds funny rune terra is way cringier than zorn I should call it all the world Yeah, magic world. Welcome to the magic world You wouldn't believe all the magic we have all of the amusements you can ride on a load of okay I don't like rune terra as a name either, but to just to steal man net That's where like half of the names that we have for shit come from is it's just like old words for the thing that it is Yeah, but it's usually like a moon is called the moon Well, sure, but what what? Or we call it luna, which means moon Yeah, because it's our moon and we define other moons, but that's why our star is called the sun But they're all suns It is it is it is significantly more important to us than the rest Is it a problem to uj that like one astronomical unit is the distance from the sun to the earth that it should be some other metric Even though this makes sense because we're just basically on metrics We have that gravity like one bar is the atmosphere pressure on the surface of earth. Is that like a problem? No Hold on because i'm not sure what's happening here anymore I I don't understand the criticism that we called our moon the moon it is our moon it was the first about which we made it's not a criticism What what was it then it's it's a defense of the name magic world Oh, but it's not a defense though Well, because we call like we call a plant wait, but that at that point you'd be like that's the equivalent of calling wales like You know country It's that's not what we do. Well, yeah a lot of places Well, that means so hard so hard as it that's the word Sahara means desert Like there's loads of names like this which is just based on the a word for the thing that it is Like I'm surprised that you didn't just point out that like a lot of countries Literal translation is like middle land or middle kingdom or something. Well, we're okay with middle earth. I assume right Well, I didn't well, I didn't know that that's but That isn't that what uh, isn't that what uh, well, it's the Mediterranean, right? It's the middle like the middle sea basically the middle points for for a lot of society For most like places no one sits down and go like for places that people have lived for a very long time, right? Uh places that don't get discovered places where basically you already are and it's been there for as long as living memory No one sits down and goes. Okay. What will we name this people just go? Oh, you know that place the hill place, right? And that's how it gets its name Also, oh, you know that the the the sea in the south and then it becomes it's just called south sea Well, I guess makes yeah, I mean who knows how well, I'm sure somebody knows how uh The names work but well, uh, I was gonna say are we about to get to the point where we say well To be fair any name can be based on anything and still be awesome or cringe and then we're just going to go By how it sounds and at that point of rune terror is that This is on sounds like someone went give me a name quick and they went I don't think so Zorn it has a has the right field. It sounds strong to me like, um I don't know like I just disagree with you on this one j griff lube Well, I think zon is a better name than rune terror. That's for sure. Yeah It's not even close as far as I'm concerned rune terror sounds like crap, but uh Anyway Even this so people make this joke a lot if you freeze anything in in arcane you've got yourself a pretty cool background. This is a pretty cool background Yes, yeah, it is absolutely Green tint as well and really very clearly shows the difference between pilt over and zon Yes, very easily The under city right now rusty older and at each other looking at each other at leering. Yeah Yeah, obviously Just absorbing facial reactions all the time. He's not happy about returning here Oh, it goes and she puts her hood up as well Like to mention she's obviously very disappointed that everything that they just went for on their first job was for nothing So while she's sitting there trying to like console powder on the fact that she pretty much cost him the job She's still pretty fucking disappointed Apparently favorite is uh, definitely about the destination and not the journey And the real fancy was the friends who made along the way. Absolutely. Yeah um, not to mention by the way that they They know what's going to happen next which is that explosion is going to be people will find out about it and The man we've heard of being vanda is very likely someone that they're going to have to deal with Um wumbo Uh, but yeah, this is a little montage moment to just give you a big blast of The the lanes what kind of or pop music I like this song so it's fine. This one was a few said you thought didn't work, right? Uh, not quite didn't work it jarred with me first time but on like subsequent watches I think tonally it's it's right on I think it's good Uh Problem is I feel like the music makes this place seem like a fun place to be I don't think so I don't agree with that It's the even like the title welcome to the playground seems like ironic I guess playgrounds are fun Yeah, I uh, I think they're gunning to Make a point about what life is like here probably pretty free and liberal but also dangerous as fuck Um, it's tough and you even get some boys some wonderful wonderful little maybe I should call it a burlesque Burlesque house Um, even the ladies of the night. Yes, and this lady of the night Particularly look at look at the expression changes. She has like the first you see it She's just like I hate my fucking life and then oh a prospect. Hey, baby. How you doing? I think she's looking at plaga too, and he's just like no, I'm right I like him juicy and she's like, ah, whatever. Fuck you And uh, some guy getting kicked out as well um Yeah, you just see like throw up there on pisticuffs Food getting uh getting made like just creatures boxed up all kinds of different stalls And that little creature is a crug from the video game Is it oh, oh is it a jungle? Yeah, crugs. It's one of the it's one of the creep camps in the jungle So there you go. I think rags wasn't you or someone else that was like, oh jay It could have been you actually I can't remember but someone when I was watching it was like that's probably a game thing I'm sure you're happy something like that Great wasn't me. I think that was someone else. I made basically no I think I made a I think a Single maybe comment related to it being a game and that was jay slater. I made a few comments about that. Um I don't I don't remember it at this part though I'm I could have someone I would have put money on it being you out of everybody But yeah, someone I was watching it saw the little creature in the box and was like, I'm sure that makes you happy And I was like, I'm not sure what it is Um, yeah, I said that I said that exact thing about lots of things But I'm pretty sure it wasn't the creature that I said that about very well I'll take it because I I looked at that creature and I was like, I've never I don't recall even like registering that that thing was there um Yeah underappreciated shot probably As they walk in check this out Got flagger just looking at powder Then I think she realizes Then they both look kind of forward like like it's There's an awareness that she's being judged. Yeah, of course. She knows that even by the nice guy He's like, yeah, it's all happening because of her um The interesting no But uh, it all leads to the last drop the bar um When everyone seems to be heading this it's almost like a little sanctuary or maybe the right way would be like a beacon It's like at the end of the or maybe even the center of the place, but a lot of people seem to go here Um It is the last drop The first drop is on the other side of the street and they're they're fucking not doing that. Well, yeah, it's like the world's end It's yeah, it's like I just I just got here. I don't need to I just got no I'm not I'm not here for the last drop. This is no Even in zon. There's a starbucks across from a starbucks Probably it's worth it. It's worth noting that they're not calling us on yet on the first bucks No, the the lions. Yeah, I'll be on the city. Yeah the under city. Yes So whatever the opposite of a neck beard is this guy's totally it his beard is climbing up all the way to his eyes You can you can have a neck beard that goes up to your eyes as long as it starts on the neck, right? I guess. Yeah, I can't quite tell. I don't even notice that. What the fuck is that? He's he's he's more beard than man now Like metal Metal is more beard than man But I don't think it goes up that high I can confirm my beard doesn't never go up to my eye Your beard is pretty close to your eyes though It gets up there Your beard and your hair does your beard just extend backwards on the back of your head and come up over the top I just don't have normal hair just old beard even on the top of my hand Yeah, this whole time metal was bald his beard took over Yeah, whenever someone talks about metal's beard, he has to ask them to clarify Do you mean my top beard or my bottom beard? No, not that bottom beard Bottom bottom beard eventually we got there Just to grow that one out a little bit We see socially awkward nerdy guy grabbing some beers and going over to People who are apparently conducting a good old deal, but they tell him They're paying less. He's like, but no, we agreed and um, I kind of like this immediate dynamic of Like this this this big guy who's like calling the shots But in the like there's a bit of shade because the light source is pretty limited There's this spooky looking girl to his right and just like, what's the deal? What's going on over there? Yeah, uh, they go over it but to the point where the guy like refuses outright And then she puts a He throws it back to him and she's she puts a knife through the center of a coin that's got a little hole in it terrifying so accurate And um, I think she puts the knife down and says like make your choice Meaning the money or the knife the coin or are you gonna fight? You're gonna kill me for it Yeah, and then he takes a knife and kills him both, right? That's what happens In in the popular video game league of legends, is that like what the money icon is or is there a money icon? Of sorts. Does it look like that? Theo help Sorry, I don't think that looks like in the popular smash hit video game league of legends Is the currency or money icon in the game? The money in the show Uh Well in the game it's just gold. Nothing really beyond just you know, gold Is the icon look like it looks in the show? We don't have a visual representation. Not really Oh, what a what a that's fucking shit. I don't know that the show is ready to tackle the issue of coinage in pre modern societies Yeah, that's But it has to them Yeah And have them in bags and look the bags even like what we're doing is coaching together When will she be in the game? Theo? Uh tomorrow Nice When she went to the tattoo parlor, she was like give me a butterfly. You're like where? On my face surprise me Wakes up with that on her face I thought this was caterina by the way No, what this is I said, I thought this was caterina just to show you how little I know about league of legends lord Just because she has the knife Yeah, that's basically the only reason I was like, oh, that's that's the thing with the death thing spinnies Um Yeah, uh, then the bartender drops in and um This was something uh me and fringy watched a review of this and i'm gonna reference it here and there just with Thoughts i'm aware of the people have had about this show But um that person said he hated the idea of everyone wants to defend the bartender. It's such an annoying cliche Um I don't know that that's on its own At all a bad thing First of all the bartender is gonna know everyone they're probably better than most people will know each other there like In general and then yeah, I mean one person that probably everyone knows And if you threaten to hurt him, I imagine there will be people willing to defend him I don't see there being a problem with that Um, but I think that when you find out the context of who this man is More so than just a bartender. It makes complete sense that people would stand up to defend him He's not he's not gonna sit there and run a spiel of what he's accomplished He's just gonna say yeah, don't fuck with the bartender, dude Well, yeah, I really like And it's a general rule and someone starts the fight or like goes to start a fight in a bar or like similar Establishment their friends there will get up to defend them like that's just how it works Mm-hmm. Um, and the bartender is probably gonna be the one who's familiar with most people there Yes, but isn't that cliche Well, you know, it's cliche for characters to die if they get stabbed in the face Well, then we got to avoid that we got to subvert it knives in my head my only weakness How did you know how did you figure that one out? It's very cliche that he's capable of lighting his pipe here with fire Yeah, I've noticed that that fire again cliche. It would be cliche for layer to die in the vacuum of space This is actually bring something up So there was a big controversy in league of legends about removing graves' cigar And then in this show tobacco was featured very prominently in this show among other drugs I was murdered other drugs Yeah, like did anyone else find that weird? I found that pretty weird graves has a cigar back. So Oh, he does. Okay. He deserves his cigar. It's awesome Were they were they afraid that the player base would be encouraged to pick up the habit of smoking? Well I'm pretty sure that uh, I'm pretty sure that like all marvel films don't have anybody smoking or uh I'm pretty sure that there's no marvel movies where they're allowed to smoke like that. It's just I mean I do wonder if statistically if that increases if showing it in that kind of context would increase the rate I wouldn't be surprised if it did but I don't know that that's reason enough to remove them from media when you're telling stories Well, I mean it depends right it depends on the kind of story it depends on the context depends on what's going on And I wouldn't I think it's like I lighten up one Disney has a mandate no smoking so it's like fucking um Because like it is a net it isn't it is a net good for like fewer people smoking, right? So if you're gonna be Um, if it's if you're writing a story and it's like, hey, we could give the cigarette Like we could get this character a cigarette Right, or we could just not and like it's just it really doesn't matter either way then yeah I don't see any reason Well, like, you know, you could have to smoke. Well, yeah, just question I'm fine with the decision to have them not for that reason, right? All of Folks is weird Yeah, if you're removing like if what you're removing is like a big part of the story Or if it's important or if it's meaningful characterization at that point Yeah, of course, I would have a problem with that very well Someone pointed out Ross smokes an incredible Hulk. Yeah, I'm pretty sure disney bought marvel the year after I was gonna say that's not a disney product. Yeah This obadiah. Oh, well, yeah, because that would be before as well. That's two. Yeah Yeah, because marvel they bought marvel in 2009 and a lot of people point out I guess wolverine ain't smoking cigars. It's like, yeah, probably not But he's in a bar having the drinkily drankle. Can you fucking believe that they would do that? That's fine That's horrifying people might drink more Apparently you don't even care Great down to you, right? I know let's press on uh Fucking timing I'm like, yeah, give me one sec because I gotta add Some guys just stumbled in Despicable All right, you enjoying whatever But yes, this is a great introduction to van der and I realize I've been talking a lot I don't know if anyone else wants to Take the reins on why Okay We're going chronological whereas a lot of the things I want to say are just like more broad observations Right, but so just what I mean is do with it. What I what I've done with anyone else is So like what what do we what do we know about this guy from the scene? Uh, oh Well by the end of it, I think the main thing that we establish is that like he's got a reputation Like a a good one broadly with the people uh in the city What's also like he he displays confidence. He seems able to read people He seems to be kind of a mature and somewhat level headed reasonable person He's diplomatic. I think that's like a big thing that we immediately pull away from the scene is that he is conflict resolution Is like a peacekeeper in a way It's not like a pace caper. Yeah Combined with the prologue scene we get a very clear Yes, that priorities have changed That's uh, that's another because I don't know that anybody would be confused as to whether he's the same person So it's like to see him again in this context. He has hung up his gauntlets It is possible that you'd mix you wouldn't realize he's the same person But it's pretty interesting to see him being the fuck out of someone and now he's like guys don't Chill, okay I feel like Thank you, um Oh, fuck. Well, there goes my joke. I was about to say like I think it's kind of I think it's kind of funny that uh Drinker shows up once we get to the bar scene Yeah I just like the drinkers that is his halloween profile pickup That shows you how much he uses discord Yeah, exactly. It's uh, this is my third time this year of being on discord. Oh, wow It's only been like a few days since then it's totally chill. But yeah, how you doing? Welcome. Well Yeah, yeah, I'm good man. Uh, we've gotten to vandals introduction in two hours Wow, okay, we're racing through the show. It's it's hence This is gonna be a long one But I suppose right now I summarized everything everything on the show on metals forge, I think Wow Well, let's just go ahead and play that and then let's just play that back to yeah Back to the same switch to uh chair icons. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just put on just put on metals forge Put the e-fap thing over it so we don't get content ID struck And then once we don't let it go metal. I don't want him to see me He doesn't have he doesn't have uh I can't ID you don't get that until you get like a certain number of subscribers manual claim by who? Oh Uh But I was gonna say we all kind of did it so I feel like drinker should get his shot as well um We're trying to It sounds weird, but trying to go is kind of spoiler free even though a lot of the stuff we say Is only meaningful if you've seen the entire show. It's one of those weird balances. We're trying to strike but um Just overall, what did you think of arcane in a couple paragraphs? I thought it was an excellent show. I thought it dealt with lots of pretty complex character development It developed the world fantastically well Arcane or sorry league of legends is not something I knew anything about so I came into this totally blind But I had a pretty good sense of the world and the people in it and the different factions Um, I loved how complex and nuanced the characters were How complex their relationships were and how they were in a lot of ways all deeply flawed people Um some trying to do their best others less so but yeah, they all had something about them that you could At least empathize with so that's pretty damn rare in a show nowadays and That combined with whatever else has been saying man Go got a lot of praise. Okay It did get a lot of praise. I'm glad that it deserved it Yeah, because I'm seeing a lot of other shows get praise and they definitely don't deserve it Some people just clap at anything. It's apparently the case It doesn't deserve praise the book of Boba Fett is uh, no that one definitely does I was referring to something else The book of Boba Fett deserves the opposite of praise. What it deserves to be thrown off of a bridge Um I try to Play pause like three seconds at a time while we're just talking about it So it's kind of like this just I'm into see it I love this image right now how these two feel about this situation Vanda's so chill Yeah, this guy is just like, oh my god. I'm gonna die. Yeah, I'm gonna die. Yeah, this is my last day Yeah, uh, Vanda basically squashes the tension he makes it so that everyone's calmed down and and whatever Was promised by either party is sorted. Okay, cool and um, he sees our Little kids coming in through the door and it's like I guess a useful sort of we've come to learn a decent chunk about them at the same time as quickly learning about him We'll start getting already like good old character conflicts because they end up having them A big old discussion and uh, there's a line that is delivered During the sort of him chewing them out for he doesn't know what they've done From their own mouths yet, but he just he can already tell that they've they've done. Oh, yeah, and he's heard already that There's been an explosion Yeah, and vias like turns toward him for just a moment and then the moment they catch eyes vi turns away like Yeah, something's up. Yeah Yeah, uh There's a line Where you sort of like I said chewing them all out but uh, she says How did you get so comfortable living in someone else's shadow? Which um, very representative of again piled over is the the casting the shadow over the lanes Mm-hmm Even the way that they sit there's something you could say about it. Um Yeah, I imagine that um Howard is pretty scared at this point as well because not only is she just as culpable for having done all this as they are Well, vi is the most comfortable Uh culpable because she's the leader but at the same time They all went and powders actually the one that fucked everything up as well So yeah, and she's very these these younger than the rest so her I guess they're you know That'll affect her a lot. You know this is doubly nervous for her But it's a I guess fun instant dynamic of this guy seems to be very in control and mature while these lot are clearly like What does he land? You know, what does what what might be the difference? But he's um between that lived experience And it looks to be what you can draw ready is that they actually live here with him And you combine that with the earlier prologue scene. You're like, oh, yeah, he's probably literally like their dad all functions as such But when she says that line he sends them all out to have more specific conversation with her And um, you get through the conversation that Piltover is the rich dawn or the lanes of the poor And if you push too hard the enforcers will come Banda is warning against that and he says like No, they aren't supposed to do jobs up top is what he says Yeah They're they're they're weighing in on a very Very unsteady piece right now Um, and what I think you can draw from a lot of it is that uh, he understands Exactly what they're feeling But it's complicated. Like he doesn't just say your grounded bad move trying to reach her Which is already quite like, you know, we we haven't even gotten that far into the show and it's already like, I like this guy Uh, yeah, because you can see he knows what's going on. He knows what they feel like He's not just like strict dad was like, oh, you You dumb ass is because right after he's like he's been there right now, isn't he? Yeah, yeah about living in Piltover shadow. He's he doesn't take that well still I would say You know it sends everyone out immediately afterwards and then yeah And and right after people when they when they're done with the stern talking He goes like, yeah, what you're right and gets like some I guess some disinfectant or alcohol to just treat her wounds a little bit Yeah, because he's knowing that he clearly cares about her, which is also really nice. Well, if you remember, um We are complimented under water for this Yeah, when the captain was first talking to one of the I think it was christian stewart's character A couple of things the first thing he says the is like, um, are you guys okay when he's trapped in a room or something like that? Um, and when he's freed he starts gathering medical equipment to help them with the the wounds They have while asking them the state of the station We were just like so great to show that he's Like where his concerns are and yeah, vanda sees her hand grabs it. I think he says, um This won't solve your problems. It just makes more of them Which you know closer to us over it will get as over it as we'll get in terms of what's changed him as a person and prologue Yeah In a lot of ways vander and vi are almost the same character But at different points in their life Like a lot of these conversations basically feel like vander talking to a younger version of himself and like giving advice and being like Because it seems like he had done a lot of the a lot of the same stuff um, he's there's also sort of um A leadership mentoring thing going on where they both serve leadership roles Like vander serves as kind of the de facto leader of the lanes, right and vi is at least the leader of You know the group of siblings. I guess Yeah, I think a line he has is something like you know as the person They'll do whatever you say so whatever they do you're responsible for it And the second he said that I was like you're talking about yourself, aren't you? Oh, yeah Yep. Yeah, exactly They do that a lot in this show and it's very enjoyable. It's like food for the brain because instead of Yeah, instead of the line being the line and you're like, right, I got it. It's Well, other lines are still happening Oh, I love the way the things that characters choose to say are informed by their perspectives. Yeah, we don't get that Yeah, like when boba fret says that he grew up surrounded by water. I went. Oh, yeah, that's right Because he did grow up surrounded by water Yeah, there's a lots of water where he grew up that that it really informs that thing he decided to say I feel like when he said I never walked worked for bib before tuner. I was thinking. Oh, yeah, right because he's stupid That makes sense that he would say that I think uh, this scene is probably a strong example of what is at this point becoming an often cited Sort of standard for dialogue when you can achieve more than one thing with one line of dialogue Not just what's being said, but what they've chosen not to say or the underlying meaning behind it or what that tells us about their history Achieving more than one thing at the same time Just you love to see yeah, because like I don't think that he's deliberately there thinking I don't think he's deliberately there making like an analogy about himself I think that he thinks this about himself and that's why it's occurred to him to say it about her, right? Yeah It's something that wells on his mind it weighs on his mind a lot is that he thinks this and that this is So he's giving the same advice that he has come to the conclusion based on his own thoughts about himself He's giving that advice to someone else, right? He's not to making a deliberate metaphor because it'll be Well, it's also like there there are a lot of times where you could explain something but When you're young, it's like people could tell you exactly how you're about to fuck up But nothing anyone says is going to change anything. You just got to go fuck it up But yeah, like, you know I've I've had those conversations from both directions, right? People get people telling me things that they had done as mistakes Um, and then I went and did the same thing and then telling people You know, like the character development of your own life You can't just skip ahead just because someone tells you what you ought to do Yeah, precisely it and there's there's a lot of choices in this in this show It's part of why I think it's pretty well written in terms of plot is there are a lot of things that are justified But probably bad decisions. It's like it's not as though There isn't any reason for you to do this or any reason to believe this might be a good idea But if you were to consider all the things that are relevant Um, there are predictable consequences, you know, and you sort of you sort of reap the consequences of the decisions that you're making And I feel like van der has been through a lot of that and vise about to go through a lot of that Yeah, she hasn't been through it yet precisely She's at the early stage of Of uh, of this journey She's saying the kind of things that probably brought van to that bridge to begin with exactly exactly. Yeah Uh, we see the mylo is trying to listen in with a little like I don't even know what you call those Think of it as a funnel, but for your ear I don't know what they call right a funnel for your ear and ear. Oh, the motel funnel Uh, and flagger is just Sitting on the stairs waiting while Acknowledging that he's got a black eye as well He looks pretty sad and I imagine it's because of the fact that he's just you know Mylo seems like someone who's much more self-driven claggers just sort of here and willing to help with whatever everyone's up to Uh, yeah, so that's once it suffers for that. It just sucks. But yeah I think uh van der Takes that little device off him And he's like, hey, what the hell then he's just like you should know better than to return from a job Anti-handed because uh, he collects him a bunch of random shit from his place And I think he's gonna go deliver it to benzo Um In reality he's much more looking for information. I think but as they walk out we come we see that um powders collecting Bits and bobs that can eventually be a part of her little invention Um, but when she puts it into a pocket she realizes she still has A little uh, what is it called the gem? Gemstones basically Yeah, I don't know. They're specific names. I could because the the the stable version is called a gemstone, right? Yeah, the gemstone is the stable version. I forget exactly what the other one's called Okay, well, I think what's not okay. Yeah, she wants to tell The vi about it obviously because it's the one thing she still got from the job that proves that something came of it Um, but she catches This is something that can happen commonly at a lot of stories. She catches the worst part of the conversation where milo says he's Like we were better. We were twice here at half her age and that um You know, she she keeps fucking up and then vi says yes, there's a lot of things she can't do She stops listening at that point when vi moves on to say Like and then she names all of milo's flaws implying the Yes powders flawed, but so are you like you do a lot of things to fuck everything up For example, he's the one that gave information away to people that they were doing this job Because he wanted to boast about it, which is likely why Yeah, um, the bullies turned up Well, it's probably lost the stuff anyway because of the fight exactly You know and and she rips into him for that. Um And we get what uh, I'm gonna highlight specific ones I think the expressions are fucking fantastic throughout this show But uh, there's one here. I'm trying a b repeat it on like five seconds. I don't get hippocopy, right? but um Just reminds me of the best kind of hand-drawn Uh Stuff we would get as well and then top tier stuff. So here Please don't be long enough to get me the stream banned. All right But yeah, just keep an eye on her face for this little bit. It's so expressive Yeah, it is All of the animation in this is superb It makes me feel like it's modeled after someone actually doing it, but I assume it's not Um, well, can it not be more capped? There is no So it wouldn't be necessarily more capped. You see you sometimes see it get posted I saw it for that new disney movie and console where it's like they show that the animators had references that they had done Where they'd done the framing and had people perform the movements, but then they would then you know using that footage they would animate it Um, so that may well be what they did here. Um, and they may well have done some other things too. Yeah, just reference So many of the movements are so Just like the random movements that you real people make when the when they're in intense situations like that That you just feel like a computer program would never pick up. You know To animate that there was this thing that was going on during the fight. Sorry drinker. I'll get back the um I like this part where during the fight When the bully was about to basically pounce back on to uh, Milo Milo just kind of like He's kind of brings his leg out to just maybe try to block him to like absolutely no avail It's just what something you would see somebody who's never really been in a fight before Or very often would do just out of habit It was just kind of like a funny little thing that I had noticed him along the way So it's like it just kind of plays into that. But yeah, sorry, I didn't mean interrupt I think it was um, I it's one of the things I noticed throughout Is like these little what ticks and it was kind of mentioned before but yeah There's just like a lot of things that are just really subtle Um that you didn't have to do but it just elevates it so much more The um, the one that really sticks out to me is the micro movements of the eye where it's Just little little dots back up down for it just makes the eyes feeling like they're so much more alive Paul's drinking good to say No, I think I just I No, no, I think I just literally made my point there. I was just finished and speaking so oh, okay good. Um good Yeah, uh, uh really I was just gonna say parts like this I'll try and highlight here and there as we go But seriously like there's there's so many of these that I'm really impressed with Very good Yeah, and they're called hex crystals and hex tech gemstones. All right. There you go. Okay crystal versus The the stones would be the refined proper ones because yeah hex tech isn't a name yet Yeah That makes sense now And someone in chat wanted me to mention I was going to a little bit later But the fact that she overheard them saying that isn't something that leads to something big plot-wise It's it's literally like vi clarifies it a scene later. So it's yeah It would have been annoying if if that didn't happen because it is a very annoying I'd forget like I'd forgive smaller things like that. Uh, but you're right. It's still like it Well, it's just so it's such a common thing of like oh, I'm just walking past with a smile on my face I'm so happy. Oh, yeah. What a prick, right? Oh, that means me That's what I would say if I wasn't me, but I would argue The element you've missed there is the they say what a prick you run off crying I go would be what I would say if I was being mean to fringy It does give you an indication really or just a slight inkling of how easily these relationships can fall apart Just through misunderstandings or how tenuous she sees her own position as within the group You know she knows she's a fuck up and She knows the others don't like her particularly and you can clarify this which is fine, but like ultimately it's still that That general sense that she'll have that she's not particularly Wanted by the others. Absolutely. She's got a lot of paranoia with how they feel about her Well, yeah, that's that's probably the important part to qualify here Is it's not that she had no reason to believe that these are things that would be said about her? Like it's not it's not like she was totally blindsided by the observation that she's not That she's got problems in terms of competency. Yeah, it's confirming insecurities that already exist Exactly Also, I learned a word from the chat saccade a rapid movement of the eye between fixation points That's man. There you go. Oh my god. Well, what a fun fact. It's not hard. I totally do that God That's that so that's what you were seeing when you were mentioning like the small rapid eye movement. There's a word for that That's pretty cool. Thanks. Never going to use that word ever if you Here's a pointless fact for you as well your brain doesn't actually take in new information when you're making one of those rapid eye Movements, so if something should happen to move while your eyes doing it, you won't actually pick it up Really? There you go. Pointless little fact for you. That's interesting Um Just just just doing some just I was actually going to say that the uh, if you keep an eye on it You see those micro movements like all the time And I I almost do want to because like I think some people are like man You're just over praising it But it's like I don't know how else to explain it the the expressions blew me away in the show So like I think something's going on here more so than is going on in other stuff. I've seen Um Well, maybe if everything else wouldn't be so shit Well, I will I think it is a situation of I think we often Probably shouldn't say we because it might not be everybody that 3d animation has improved substantially From like toy story, but I think that because it's been such a gradual Like development that you really need to see like the beginning to where we are now to notice like how much better 3d animation has got in terms of capturing expressions because it's not like a lot of a lot of stuff now has really good facial animation Compared to what they used to be able to do before where it's like very little touches and instead of just like You know sort of like default happy or default sad or default Like scared. There's like minor variations in those now that they're able to capture Um Yeah, I think a lot of stuff is getting really good at doing facial animation now If you check out our coverage of 101 Dalmatians, I think we very Quickly start saying like oh these expressions Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's just yeah, you know, we do pick them up. It's just like I don't know I think arcane is it's helped dramatically Uh with how much you can get invested in character by being able to read their face very very well Yes, there is never any confusion You were you were getting a lot of information uh from the expressions a lot Uh, I think it helps Oh, we'll go ahead because it's animation deliberate Oh, I think I've ruggled a bit uh because it's animation, you know that it's all deliberate someone did this on purpose So it's like you're almost kind of you're going to read into this stuff More so maybe just by virtue of the fact that you know that it was on purpose Not that like acting isn't on purpose. It's more just that when it's animation It's like this was planned storyboarded and animated like To the like freight, you know to the smallest details um so Banda enters Benzo shop and they treat it for a second as though they don't know each other and it's fun for the audience Is they're like up close get the fuck out Piece of shit that he's like well good because the owner's a piece of shit and they're like Um, I imagine just to give us the impression. Oh, these guys probably quite familiar with each other. Okay, cool Um, and I'm just gonna say this there's no reason to do absolutely anything with this information No need for anyone to comment on me saying this echo is working on a clock um Just a quick thing uh the thing that benzo's looking at there is magnifying glass thing. That's a heart of gold It is was removed from legal ads. I'm still salty about that. Yeah What what did that do? It gave you a bit of health and it was a gold generation item. So just me you earn more gold passively over time Oh, oh, I remember that one. Hey Um, it's cool because he's that's a cool reference shop guy He's a really cool reference. I remember being like There she is More item I miss it um Yeah, um, so echo is sent outside. He's just a little kid who works with benzo Let me just point out also his first line of the show is give me a few seconds. Yeah Yeah Also, I think um, I don't think it is his name echo like right off the bat Yes Because they refer to him as little man. Well, that's just like a nickname, right? Yeah, because he's small I He's sure It's just that I wasn't sure if they were calling him echo right off the bat Did they call him did he call him by his name echo when he was sending him off? I think so. Yes echo Okay They try and insinuate the the job came from a shifty background like someone going by the Name little man and Milo gets reaction. I'm like, oh little man so You get you start to think maybe maybe by pick this job up from someone of ill repeat. No, it's just a kid. They know Uh, which by the way We get a little more context on how that job started Which he says that a guy came into benzo's shop and paid double for basically everything So echo concluded that uh, he must have a lot of shit to be able to steal in his place And so followed him back to his house Yep Which is neat as piece of information because that tells you that whoever was in that Endhouse has been searching for all kinds of materials all over the place to build things Yep, um, he's rich or at least richer than significantly than the people of zorn But yeah, uh, something I quite like is that uh, they Benzo and band are talking about the potential repercussions from all of this and Um, they talk about the enforcers coming down and then van der says there are worse things than enforcers and Looks to his arm and puts his hand on it Uh That's pretty interesting for later stuff And I like the when we go outside Great little moment. It's nice and small echo is is um asking them how the job went and because of uh, the black eye that flag has got Like oh, shit. You guys go into a fight. Did vi kick their asses and uh clagga says we wouldn't be here if otherwise Like implying that she's the one that got them through the whole thing Uh, he's the guy who took on two at once Hmm quite humble. Yeah one of them gentle giants by the looks of things Like you'll fuck you up though You'll break his spine um, yeah, and then echo just starts like You know miming lots of uh Punching and shit as fighting He said well, he said that this is a few moves that vi taught him Yeah It seems echo vi powder the law of them they all they all hang out at a decent Um, but then the enforcers come. Oh no And uh there's this um There's this line. I think we're uh Grayson says Uh, the things involved with like what the explosion was um Make this place look like a candy shop Just trying to plug the gravity of the situation and if you remember benzo's expression when she says that It's funny. I'm trying to get to it. Uh I suppose it's worth saying first The the two enforcers They're quite the characters. Um Would anyone like to maybe talk about the difference between them just from what we get from this scene if you if you memory see Grayson and markers Those those two or with benzo and uh, no, I think grayson and markers They didn't force Grayson I think they call it sheriff. She's a sheriff. Yeah She's the sheriff of the enforcers, which I guess like the commanding position of them all um And yeah, she clearly needs some need needs someone to blame in order to keep the peace between the two cities Because they like vander and grayson are both aware if we don't do something At least a little bit the the higher ups and piled over will be very angry And there's going to be a lot of enforcers down here and it's going to get ugly So those those two are pretty much like, yeah, we need to keep it low need to do something We need like a scapegoat basically So give me someone and we can settle it And marcos on the other hand is like, oh, you're all pieces of shit. I had every single one of you I'm going to beat you up. You're nothing and he basically hates the under city Like he's very antagonistic to everyone Big on them And I'd say this is probably the first Big commentary on I guess the world Like in terms of this is when it comes more into focus of the dynamics here Because the conversation is mainly about the broader implications of the The the explosion and everything rather than specifically like oh the explosion was bad or stealing is bad. It's like You know, they're not going to be content with nobody being punished for this. There are there are politics at play and Grayson is very Aware of that, but she's more diplomatic. She's more like uh vanda Grayson. Yeah, she's very much is his opposite number, isn't she? Like for the pragmatic Unless it's driven by like The sort of idealism of their job and more just like yeah, this is what we need to do To maintain the peace And I think it's also worth noting the voice actress has been in a number of video games Does anybody want to take a stab at pronouncing that name? It's no She was in the expanse and she was pretty good in that. It was also she was also uh wrong She does have a very distinctive voice Extremely distinctive voice and I think Lands are a lot of roles. I love it. It's very good. Yes. I could listen I could listen to read a phone book and I'd be cool with that I think so. Yes I mean that that is the kind of voice that Yeah, you've lived a life if you have a voice like that. I think Yeah, but I would say you can already run a parallel at this point of Vander and here are like two sides of a coin while Marcus and Vi are the other two sides of a coin Marcus seems to be very aggressive against anybody from the undercity He's got a very colored view of the undercity and he's very impetuous. So he's not good at like Putting that aside to just get the job done because he insists that everyone down here is like They was in his ad he calls him fucking trench at trash. He was like He thinks he knows for sure that Vander and that he thinks they're in on it They know what happened and they're just hiding things because Because they're trench at trash and they hate Piltover and yeah, that sort of thing You've got to admire the sheer balls or stupidity of that guy to to be thrown right insults like that when you're down there with very little protection Yeah, you know, like they could quite easily that could go badly wrong for you I think he knows exactly what'll happen if somebody fucks with him Like basically the piece is over and the under city is going to get wiped out if they were to attack an officer And I think he realizes that he's looking for it. He's looking for a reason Basically. Yeah, he's trying to antagonize them into doing something shitty I think he's mostly he's got a big chip on their shoulder. Um, yeah chip on his shoulders respect to them like He knows they don't respect him Yeah, and I think it's neat to know it's more in a later scene the gas masks as well that they Put on to move through the under city when everyone we've seen so far doesn't need them and so it's You can get a sense that it's uh air They're not used to but also that it it's just it's a very clear separating line in terms of the classes. I would argue Mm-hmm. Yeah, like we don't want to breathe your air Um, but they obviously bring it down knowingly that it's not necessary At least in the in the buildings. I've noticed because Grayson's wearing it when she comes but Yeah, she sends him out and so Grayson and van der can have A very mature discussion about what happens next which is essentially somebody's head has to roll for that explosion It's too significant and she said it regards the kinemans um Apparently a big name because like we don't know a lot yet And she says people were hurt So van der's like i'll deal with the people who did it but it's not good enough Um, yeah, I think this is what I was talking about, right? So she she says it would make this place look like a candy shop um This is that uh what bed so looks like what she says it I even do it. I fucking love that expression Yeah Just great little reaction like you said before like things that they didn't have to put in But they chose to and it's just gives it so much humanity and personality Yeah, I think that was entirely unnecessary I I feel like it almost runs contrary to the idea of diminishing returns, right? It's so it's so small but yet it's so Uh meaningful Yeah, I love how they could easily have said something but they they choose instead to speak it through just expressions Showed on tell Exactly, he could have said hey, but instead they just chose to make him speak with his eyes and there's just there's just something great about that Yeah, because you you can draw so much about that expression. Like he's he's almost like fuck you. What do you mean? What? I think I'd also say they did that delivery the libertarian way, uh Talking as hard, okay uh because he probably realizes how important that conversation is And also the writers knew that this is an important conversation Right. He's doing this. Yes doing this weird interruption. It's like a hey would be like super out of place So they just said this is like And it makes the show very rewatchable. There's a lot of things you'll be like fuck. I didn't even see that the first time around You're like, yeah, I know I'm already seeing bunch of stuff. I haven't seen in two Yeah through there was a There was a great joke in episode four that I had missed until I had watched it the third fucking time And I realized that we'll get there later, but like I'll just point it out later. Yeah, maybe tomorrow Yeah, maybe tomorrow Um and the conclusion of the conversation she gives him a um one of them. I don't know what they're called They go into the pneumo tubes, right? Like little messenger ball things. Yeah, like the capsules or whatever Uh basically use this to tell me who I'm gonna take into custody because Someone's gotta come and he's just like fucks it um Yeah, uh And again, you realize like we're at the half hour mark now. It's just like doing pretty well Uh for first episode And then we go back the powder who's Oodling around with some of the things she's collected And it's it's I think Pretty interesting set even though this this comes with the character if you grab it from uh the game, but just All the mechanical and engineering stuff and then a box full of crayons like there is combined I'm not sure if it was mentioned that echo he's dropped on the whole meeting. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's definitely worth it plot-wise he not only He's dropped on it all but it just I guess shows a little bit of um Ingenuity on his part like the tools he's using to do it Um, it's it's super relevant. It's like a it's like a necessary plot. No. No. Yeah I realized that when I'd gotten to where that's gonna be really important I would have just said because he heard the conversation, but um quick mention Uh, definitely finds it shocking because it is And there are some masks in the background That uh one of them also looks like a mask from the intro Also young echo is incredibly cute. His hair is awesome. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, um vai comes to like just comfort powder now that we're like the aftermath of this drama And she just feeds back to her the quotes she heard and by um tries to you know, just calm it down and stuff And she says I'm not a fighter But I says you don't have to be Um, and I really like it when she says you don't have to be I think uh powder is an expression of frustration Like that's not reassuring to her that she'd have to fight And she's a part of a group of people that that's what they do to survive Well, yeah, she doesn't want to be told. Yeah, you're not good and that's okay. She wants to hear it. No, I can't do this I wonder if that's gonna be a thing just a persistent thing. We're dropping lots of things that wish to be considered Yeah, I love it Advice says you don't have to be and then she just she looks like it. This is like anguish. Like that's yeah Hitting her head on the on the little device as well Um, and so vai realizes this ain't working as as reassurance. So she takes her up to a rooftop Says when she was a well, she explains first that a lot of people have fucked up Um, a lot of times milo claga. She explains some stories about how one of them has slipped while trying to paint like a Giant a middle finger while the other one Was almost caught by enforcers, but they found it so funny that he caught his leg on something that they just left him there Which again gives you a sense of like forces of Um enforcers are tricks and we've all had our weak moments just like you But then a last story is when she was a kid, uh, someone threw a toy up into like these It's a little uh set of firing. I'm not sure and it's stuck there And she said she hoped it would be knocked down one day Um that we've all had bad days, but we we learn and we stick together Just good old standard normal things for a supportive sister to say But uh saying we always learn and we stick together. It's gonna be something that's remembered quite a bit Um And she she shows her the the gem stones Sorry the that is yeah. Yes. No, was it the hex Oh, sorry, right. Okay, the the crystals and um, wow crystals are stones, but She shows either him or there and uh, she says let's show vanda and vise like no Because after everything that's happened You'd assume that that's going to be a bad move with everything that's uh, all the repercussions of everything Yeah, well not to mention vander had said like so where's the loot and like we lost it all and vander said good That means that that can't be traced back to you. So with that knowledge in mind She realizes wait this can be traced back to us. Let's just not tell anybody Yeah, she doesn't really know what it is, but she would rather not tell vander about it Which um, honestly when I was first watching this show I thought we were just gonna get because some tv shows I don't know if you guys have noticed like huge credit sequences Like you get the the wand division one's really surprised if you remember because we had the outro credits, but then the credits And they were really long So I thought oh, I think this is the the show ending on a shot of them looking over the city It makes the most sense But the thing is we haven't had an introduction to a main villain yet which um It sort of reminded me of how a lot of The structure and a lot of stories goes a lot of the time with tv shows that the last scene is actually saved for like There's something brewing. That's going to be a problem for our heroes. What is it? um You know, I feel like uh, it's just it's time to to introduce you meet I don't even know if we know his name at this point, but it is still go Whoa, whoo silk us That's a good character Um, I quite like as well that our intro to him is through the pov of dakkad who's like Panting and panicking will be thrown onto a chair that honestly looks like it's either had a bite taken out of it Or someone got their head blown off while sitting on it Yeah, it could be either I though it's the immediate contrast of like the petty gangster with like the real shit kind of criminals Yeah Yeah, and it's funny too because he gets shoved around this cat and the cat just doesn't care like this is a very common occurrence Yeah, the giant the giant fish in the background like I just wanted to, uh, what das bogey just said, uh, you're very right He's tossed into the cat with the chair to the point where it's almost dangerous the cat yawns Just like Yeah, another one Uh, what are you gonna say the answer? I was just mentioning how like the huge fish framed behind them like in one of the charts kind of alludes to The scale of things here as well. Yeah And these these do not petty criminals and the big looping shot of the big tattooed guy Yeah So was it I love how Mueller assumes someone ate the chairs like I mean, did you see what they create at the end of this scene? There's a chance there's some creepy mods that they made that ate a chair Standing there in the background. Who's who who's that? We don't know We don't know yet There's some guy on him. I was gonna just appreciate the frantic Camera work in this scene and I just feel like it's supposed to be again. It's it's obviously new to us But it's also decades pov. You're like you're thrown onto the chair with that Visual of it's a chair that apparently people get killed in and then you got this guy in the background with this Giant potion thing looking very weird either scanning around all these thugs surrounding you with weapons He's just like this isn't fun. This is very not fun. Actually Just good visual storytelling and communication We've got a good use of the old tilted camera looking at this thug very good. Oh, yeah, this guy's fucking huge Yeah, the old dutch angle that movies tend to not realize It's so weird that the movie probably most famous for dutch angles is Thor like It's famous for using them badly though. That's the whole thing So the big problem with that they just don't know when to not use dutch angles. They're everywhere. Yeah It's like someone just retip like rotated the entire fucking film Well, I I can imagine this really was like what if someone for a laugh just chopped off one of the legs on all the Tripods like just all of the This is like shit is it in the budget for more tripods? No, it's not All right, we're just gonna have to make two We spent all the budget on catering I'm curious the character in this scene who's holding a beaker. Did anybody figure out who that is without looking at the credits or looking it up? Uh, yes I think uh people started to figure it out fairly quick, but I think it took us a little bit longer So with me and friend, this was the point where my legal legends knowledge was that it's least Remembered because I hadn't looked into it again, but when I saw silco I was like, oh, is that like the version of singed? Yeah, yeah, that's right the eye and the side of the face. Um when I saw the other guy I was like, oh, I guess he's just scientist guy But of course, uh as time went on and I was like looks more like I thought maybe the singed's name was silco Or something. That's what I thought was That was exactly my experience. That was my exact experience I thought silco was singed and then I had no idea since was in it and then on my second watch through on like episode six I was watching the credits and I was like, wait singed. What the fuck who's singed? I think I think there are a few things at play I think the fact that we have the name powder But I think most people already knew who she was really it's like, oh So that there may well be names that we uh that we've never heard before that are actually the names associated with the more known ones And All right, no, well go go for it. Well, I was just gonna ask if so so silco is not in the games then right? No, that is correct. He's in tft now. Yeah, they don't Spin off, but he's not okay. Well, because there are a few characters who aren't in it. There are there are um There's one we'll get to well. Yeah Um and uh I'm blanking as well. There are there are a few other people and like family members as well where it's like Yeah, they're not well, I guess it's not as quick. Someone's pointing out which is what uh confirmed it for me when we watch it on Netflix is that they'll give you the names of the people who are speaking So I can't remember what point it was but I was with with free. I was like, oh that guy singed. Okay. Okay Because it said it. I was like, all right. I follow now Oh, yeah, I think I had to ask. I was so no idea I had to ask Theo if silco was in the game or not because I hadn't played it for so long that I didn't know if maybe he was new And I I don't know if it's worth commenting on now or later, but I think singed Is a very interesting Of how do we do fan service? In a certain Certain sense. I agree It'll be episode six that you're gonna want to bring it up again. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So next week Since we're at three hours, I'm starting to think we might have to split this into two. I'm not sure we'll have to see how it goes Christ, all right. Well, let's let's press on shall we well? I love this shot of silco, which is the first Look at him. Yeah Best boy Well, yeah, we'll try Go ahead I was just gonna say that um The movie called Barry Lyndon that probably a lot of people in audience haven't seen but I'm assuming most of you guys have It's a Kubrick film One thing I love about Barry Lyndon is you can just go through and pause it basically any point and it looks like a painting It's like almost every almost every shot in the entire movie Just has an aesthetic quality that is above and beyond the best shot in most films So that's literally every shot and arcane is close like you can just go through and pause at basically any point Everything is very very meticulous and beautiful and in a way. It's really quite shocking Yeah, I believe Jay. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Jay put made this very point It was like check out these four gorgeous shots. Just kidding. These are all random shots. This fucking show is great Yeah, exactly. Uh I knew that it worked. I just I I sprawled to full random points of the episode pretended Posted them saying that they were my favorite shots from arcane. It's like nope psych. They're literally random ones But the entire show is gorgeous Every frame is a painting You could say that Yes Holy shit, dude Like I earlier earlier someone said the budget was 10 million in episodes And I was like surprised that it was that little and someone in chat was like roasting me But just look at the quality. I mean, I don't know 10 million episode is a good amount of money per episode for a television show The thing is, I mean, it's better than The vast majority of movies and like I mean 90 million dollars isn't that much for a movie and this is six hours of content From what I have heard don't take this as like gospel or anything But I've heard that a lot of the money didn't even go to the animation Like it was going to other places like these high budget songs and and that sort of thing I can believe it. Okay a lot of these songs they I'm going to take these are all unique songs That is gospel now, uh What I think is a neat little thing as well is after all that like The intensity of what the fucks they're gonna do to deck and you see him tooling around with this device And it's just like oh god, this is a penis nip of what's gonna happen that it's like No, he uses it on himself and you're like, oh It's just uh his own pain It's really uncomfortable every single time it happens Well, he doesn't uh get to use it in his he looks he's going to use it by the looks of things But then they they give away that it was uh vanders kids that are responsible for the explosion, which um Dilko is like very interested in immediately Does he sees it as an opportunity and he even says you don't even realize but that one piece of information has probably saved your life Well, I think he gets in the sound effect implies that he does use it Oh, was there a little sound effects of a little shooty shoot in his eye I think he does use it. I thought he uh didn't get to because he was interrupted by the the information, but maybe yeah but just um Look at this. Look at him I feel like Oh, I was this guy. He's so spooky. He must be a bag But yeah, so, uh, you know the conclusion of the scene is that the information that our our intrepid heroes This guy is aware of it and is very happy. He knows about it. So we're just sitting here like Eh, and then I think the credits roll it's about it for the episode Oh, yeah, because he asks if um he asks if it's ready Yeah, and they show it off of it which Yeah, uh, this is Interesting they feed shimmer to a well, I guess we should just say this drug to um rat And the cat is about to to have itself a nice little meal, but then the reverse happens The vision the rat is so straight the cat pukes upper rat Pretty rough man that poor cat, you know, yeah, like tom and jerry Mm-hmm. Well what where tom is like the the victim of jerry's constant harassment. Yeah, that's yep. Yep Um, and I I do appreciate the theory because the it doesn't go beyond this that that's twitch in that uh Hell now Which is uh, oh Yeah It does feel like That could be the case There's no reason to think this just doesn't just work on that creature for a while and uh, yeah It'll eventually become A champ Is that is that like is is twitch a creature that's created by Which is like he's just a weird mutant sewer rat with a crossbow So, yeah, it's the honest. So I like oh, he looks curious All of the legends in League of Legends look cool Hey, I googled the I googled the original jinx designs. I wasn't Thrilled with them I think they're fine. I just I wait for I do prefer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I looked she was like, oh, I guess They improved her with my reaction when I saw her She is a lot more comedic in the game. Yes Yeah, he's straight like comedy kind of character That's how I would describe her in the show to be fair Yeah, yeah, it's really funny Yeah Um, but that's episode one. We did it. Hey I'm going for it. We did it I'm going to take all the credit for getting you guys to the end of episode one. Thank you Showing up in the last five minutes without you Three hours That was part one of a nine part series. That's three Um, I guess that's reassuring. So so hang on this rate. It will take us three e-faps Yeah, well, I think at this point like we have gone over like a lot of the animation I don't know that we'll get That's is right. We've talked about animation We've talked about a lot of production stuff So it might will be that we just start getting hyper focused on plot I still that's gonna take a while. There's just so much to say about every scene. Unfortunately Same thing is that we've not got to like any of the payoffs yet. We've gotten we've covered is like the um We've covered the setup episode where not much really happens We we will make a lot of progress if we stop talking about the amount of progress And begin to progress nothing The meta for a little bit and it changes the pacing of the conversation especially because we're just going to jump right like I That's not that I don't value the observations about the meta. It's just you know, we've got to be time conscious We're already going to be Baxing out this e-fap. So I don't think it's fine. What if we what if we play us? What if we play our stream on 1.25 speed? There you go Well, I saw someone in chat everyone talk faster. Um, I hope this releases on blu-ray. I agree I hope this e-fap episode comes out on blu-ray. Uh, I don't know if they're gonna do it I'm gonna have to talk to the blu-ray people but yeah yep Um, so is it e-fap episode three could be an e-fap of its own. It's like, yeah, what we get there Uh, oh anyway The next episode it opens where what is a neat little thing of oh my the alternate perspective of that initial explosion um We get to see that the people who are actually trying to come into the room which is It's funny because I'm like should I refer to them by name only when they've actually gotten their names? And I was like, well, I guess it doesn't matter, right? I Was um, it's jace coming into his house With uh, a young katelyn. I suppose they're both technically everyone's young technically A young gir anyway Um, yeah, uh, I'm not sure if I'm not sure if the idea here is like 17. They've come from um, I don't know how old he is exactly, but I don't know if they're trying to imply they've come from benzos Um, and that's how quickly No, I'm saying with what they're holding. I don't know if that's where they've come from or if they're coming from somewhere else Uh, well if you look at all that crap, it does look like stuff that benzos would hold it does That's why I was saying it might be it takes more time though because like they had to totally make sense And then just for those two to take ages to get back home from the undercity They have no fucking clue or rather jace and that means jace would have visited katelyn after going to the undercity first Because he wouldn't take her there I mean like I mean it would take a while to get the tip and then play in the heist and then actually do it like it Really the the better evidence would be that echo followed him home, which kind of cancels it out So there you go I think so if if they knew where he lived and then just after he visits the store echo tells them And then they rush on the job knowing it was quick that would work. But yeah, we know that um The echo followed him home to find out the location so it can't be that they were just at benzos They must have just been somewhere else collecting shit. I don't know. I just I thought it would have been an interesting observation Well jace has been out like buying some more shit. Yeah, because he's obviously collecting what he can from wherever he can um Yeah, the explosion knocks him delirious and we get that as a sort of framing device for why We're led into him having a bit of a flashback or we're just seeing a part of his history um But something that they add to this Through his pov that I very much appreciated when I saw it is buy checks on him before she runs off Make sure he's okay Good girl That guy isn't dead, right Yeah, um But then we get one of what are I think I want to say five uh, like fundamental flashbacks that serve very specific purposes for each of these characters that they're given to He's in the middle of a crazy snowstorm blizzard Thing and nobody wants to be caught up in blizzard, you know, not these days. That's that's bad One iRL and and it looks about like that Getting real bad. He's desperate is mum's knocked out and um, I feel like I should hand this to metal because he pointed it out in his stream And now I feel like it'll be Just just what's a detail about your hand metal Oh, yeah, you can see on jay's mum's hand. She has frostbite. I think it's three fingers It's like two and a half or something or two and a half. Yeah, so you can see this first because the first time I watched it I thought it was just shading Uh, just just shadows or whatever, but later you see she has like stuff on her fingers and then he's like, oh, shit That's what that was Yeah, it's another example of like it's just it's not used You know any overt way and anyway, it's just a consistent element of what happened to her in this blizzard and what's happened as a result It's just neat Yeah, and point that out again when we see it but um Someone turns up everyone's gonna want me to refer to him as rise. So I will rise turns up because it's Is that right? Yeah, it's gotta be um, I remember when I first asked Theo about it Theo was like well considering he uses his ulti I would assume it's rise. I was like, yeah, yeah, okay Rise ulti in the game as he can teleport everyone in a big circle to another part of the map Okay, yeah fair enough. Yeah To be fair, I thought he was rise without even making that connection I'm starting to wonder why I thought that because he doesn't quite look like him And rise doesn't use like a staff at least I don't think he does right? He has a book or is it different now? It's a book as far as I know, yeah There's probably like gone up from the staffs after several years now. So the book better than staff is what you're saying Our show. Yeah Well, uh, you get some out of there to a nice little place and fucking hell the visuals um, I think this is one of the There's a there's a bunch of surreal sequences in this show that are just absurdly good This was I think this was this was the exact point where I was like wait. What the fuck is this? Like this isn't just competent storytelling. This is like visionary filmmaking. Like what the fuck is this? It looks so good This is so good. I'm angry. Stop it. Stop being so good. I'm offended This is the first time I was watching it. I literally said out loud. What the fuck this is so good like what what? I was there's like there's two more of these sequences too. They're all very very very good Now people like it's not rise and then someone had the correct take it's rise until it's not rise. Okay Motherfucker showed up and cast a realm warp. He's covered in runes. Shut the fuck up And important thing to point out is that there are certain characters who don't Who we eventually gonna meet who don't quite look exactly as they do in the game Not yet. I feel so powerful not giving a shit who rises right now Yeah, that's No, um Well, so I was impressed with the visuals But I didn't even say this to free at the time because I thought it was a bit too funny considering the tone But uh, we'd watch smiling friends and it immediately made me think about when god throws charlie into the planet like this All right This is one of the match cuts by the way So gorgeous Yeah, you see you see the planet cut into an eye, I believe. Yeah. Yeah Wonderful Anyway, so the the conclusion to make from this is that some guy used magic and it made an enormous difference to jace's life Including been all limited to saving his lives So not to mention he drops a stone right in little jace's hand for safekeeping Not even really safekeeping. It's like Here you go. Yeah, it's almost it's in response to the question of like what did you do, right? Because it suggests like that's what you can do with this stuff It does seem feel that way. There's like it's not only it could even argue. It's like a reminder. This did happen Because it seems like it's lost whatever power that had he's when he gives it to him Yeah Yeah, it's just a scene they do this a lot in arcane and I appreciate it They spend very little time and it's it's it's the version we talked about this before with like shitty writing But it's the version of writing with a writer that has something to tell you And it's like, all right. What do you want to tell me? It's like, well jace is invested in magic I'm like, okay Like that's what a lot of shows would do but instead it's this traumatic experience where he almost dies This mysterious man does something incredible And jace is just looking at him fascinated and I'm like All right, and they really go out of their way with the visuals to convey how Yeah, this was not a rush job like I think here more than in a lot of places. It's very important because Magic is fucking spectacular and that's how jace sees it and he wants to use that because of how much good he has seen And experienced it and how much yeah, how much we can help people I didn't even so I didn't even notice this before the moon comes over covers the part of the planet and then turns into a pupil Yes Fucking awesome. Um, we all had our say on it, but now drink is here drinker, what do you think of the intro? really Yeah, just that little section that you get in every episode so this here, um Yeah, I'm fine with it like I guess it's not really something to spend a huge amount of time on Well, I guess to be more pointed. What do you think of the visuals and what do you think of the mute? Um Yeah, I mean visually it looks great as every aspect of the show does is obviously showing you a lot about the various characters um the two sisters and stuff and Yeah, I don't remember the music so much I don't know if I'm just blanking a little bit on this at the moment Oh, we had a whole back and forth about it like the rest of us Passionate hatred for a lot of people but also tolerance for a lot of people and some people who I think like it a lot I don't know, but uh, it was a point of contention. I was just curious what you thought But apparently you didn't I think it was one of those things where I kind of skipped past the intro In each episode just so you could get to the actual, you know meat of the Yes Yeah, no Um, and yeah, so episode two We get a lot more pilt over than we did in episode one And I assume that's very deliberate because it's time to introduce the other half of the characters in a sense um And yeah, so the explosion and I can't remember it could have been metal as somebody I was watching it with They were happy that the explosions having consequences for him because Yes, you want to get the people who are responsible for it in the sense that they kind of made it happen What the fuck are you up to in here that makes it so that the entire building can explode? Um And so they have this inspection going on and it's just satisfying to see The world Like hold on a minute, what's all this all shit you've got you don't have licenses for any of this Yeah, and I think he says like oh, you know science stuff and then she's like really I don't really like I don't you can explain this away with that Uh I love science Penthouses explode all the time. What are you talking about? and You clearly don't know science we get um, I think I mentioned this on the open bar actually, but uh She's obviously taking control of the situation Grayson, but uh, this there's this snooty guy in the background Who says, um, this isn't all approved and then victor, sorry Jay Whoops I'm sorry my brain is crap like it just it just connects That's not much of a spoiler to be fair I know I was I was hopefully gonna do something else with it, but it's a bit late now. Anyway, the um He said that guy says this isn't all approved and Jayce who's like just frustrated that some guy is saying that she's just like, who are you? He says i'm assistant to the head of the academy um Which I think is a really neat way to avoid giving his name because it makes sense Uh, the guy is smart enough to recognize that Jayce cares about his station not literally his name Yeah, I mean you don't that's not the kind of If he if he said, you know, oh there's my name Jayce would go, well, okay cool, but who are you? well Yeah, you know, it's like if someone like if some if someone like If I if I if I got home and found like a guy in Uh overalls in my house and I Was like, oh what and who are you and he said oh, i'm steve I'm like, okay. I feel like you've missed the spirit of the question. Yes But I just I like that. It's um again Frack-wise it wouldn't bother anybody really it's a perfectly normal answer to the question But it does allow them to avoid him giving his name at least for now Uh I'm curious theo. Did you pick up who he was before he said his name? Uh, who? well Pick the oh the accent gave away straight away That's fair Um, I was more so I think my brain didn't connect it at all because of the fact that he doesn't look at it And like him I was like no And then I was like, oh Which I think was hopefully what they were getting for Yeah, he doesn't look like a robot or have his grabby hands or anything like that so Nothing wrong. He doesn't look like he looks in game True, um, it's also the fact that he was talking to jace because of course, you know The thing is their thing in the law Yeah, at that point you'd be able to But uh, I must have been really fun for you then because like I got a couple fun surprises, but it sounds like you would have gotten all of them Mm-hmm um but yeah, uh They basically conclude you're gonna have to go to The prison ready for the council to talk to you because this not only was unsanctioned, but it was dangerous Which like that's the way it should be And he's just staring at his little Jam prison go ahead What I found kind of interesting was that like, you know when Vi and the gang ripped this dude off the first thing I thought of was like, oh here we go It's just going to be he we ripped out ripped off from some rich guy who doesn't care about anything So, huh, you know, so we were just going to ignore it But then second episode comes along and they characterize The quote rich guy and he's actually not just some douche bag that gets brushed off as a rich douche bag So that was nice It's a theme that carries over through the whole show where no one is You know fundamentally just an asshole or evil or or even good Like they all have like different sides to their characters and like a lot of assumptions that you make about a lot of these people Aren't born out once you once you learn more about them. Yeah, exactly And that was kind of a concern I had at the start of the show I had said like oh, I thought a lot of it was going to be sterilized But it looks like uh, nope. Nope. We are keeping things good and gray I was definitely in the realm of nuanced I was I was definitely in the realm of like that's that seems to be what we're going for but it was episode three I was like, yeah, that's it. Ah, it's definitely definitely Um, I love this introduction to heimerdinger the shadow and the steps They cast this this huge person that's coming and jayce even looks up like oh, what is this now? That he just hops his head in from the side Hello Um, I am a fan of heimerdinger in the game. So I was like, oh, there he is Whoa, there's a guy Did a great job of the voice acting as well Yeah, he sounds like the same from the game, but it's not the same guy I love how it's all like he's he's even kind of top heavy I love how he like he leans in and then he has to take several corrective steps to the right To kind of balance his old big head out and then he comes walking in It's like oh, well there goes the intimidation factor. It's our boy heimerdinger even the um See the the way the camera reacts to him. Um, it is as though the camera is expecting a big person Mm-hmm It's lined up the whole door and has to go down for him Uh, yeah, he's adorable. That's almost um, that's that's gotta be jesus pov really that you're seeing there Oh, yeah, um for sure. I just think it's it's it adds to the scene Well, yeah, I mean it's just i'm saying you're seeing it from um It's not necessarily where jesus eyes are but it's uh It's it's helping to capture how jace feels in this situation, right? Yes, I've got to be honest like Not knowing anything about the game like when this guy first made his entrance I had a pretty uneasy feel like a bit where the show was going. Oh just because um, you worry about how far it might go You know, I see elements and stuff Yeah, and just you know, obviously visually he looks a bit ridiculous, but then You know the the more you get to know the character Um, yeah, you would never think a guy like that with that kind of intro would then have like some really like Pretty serious heavy scenes Um, but yeah, they do it remarkably well um, I think the first thing he says is something like curious we Locked people up in cells physically, but their mind is free or something like that Maybe imprison the body, but the mind is free. But yeah, um, which is just a fun quote to think about First thing you hear from this guy uh yep And he seems very positive about this situation and he says like he comments on how he found jace now science is all about like improvement and the betterment, but also that uh You don't want it to hurt people like that's the point. Um, yeah, which is always a possibility. So you got to be careful And uh jace is obviously depressed as hell right now because he was on the verge of something But he might lose it all and heimerdinger is just like own your mistakes admit your faults. Don't mention magic He'll probably only get a slap on the wrist very very optimistic about it Um But already with with with him You're seeing these like expressions as well and you're just like sweet. It's going into the weird alien characters as well Taking advantage very much so of his moustache his ears and his eyebrows Um, he's so expressive. What the fuck is he by the way? That's a yordle. He's a yordle Oh Teemo's a yordle as well, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. The yordle. I want to see his vibe Hey, jay, look up. There are just google Teemo Teemo Teemo He was in the show. Did you see it? Yeah, uh, there was a reference to him in the show. Yeah, he was in a storybook. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool Yeah captain Teemo on There's like a little scout. He's nasty though Yeah, he's fucking hated in the game Teemo There's probably the most hated character in the game. Yeah, might be yeah. Oh, not even close at all Wait, who's the most hated now? Oh, there's there's people that are worse than Teemo Uh, shit. Looked. Let me go and find what uh, the most hated character at the moment is yumi It's a cat Oh Yeah And goes on targetable and just provides passive buffs and has active heal and stuff And you can't target or damage the cat while it's attached to someone So fucking infuriating to play against Because it just goes and finds whoever's doing the best sits on them and makes them like impossible to deal with That sounds like fun Sounds like great game design Like Unanimously the most hated character in the game's history. It's honestly like really impressive because there's some very hated characters in that game A lot of people are saying gnar's there's not gnar. Sorry, uh Uh Yasuo, I remember Yasuo being hated a lot of it. Yeah, Yasuo and now his brother Yone as well Well, it depends. You hate you hate Yasuo when it's on your team because they're terrible and you hate them on the other team Because they're like a fucking god If their team had Yasuo mid like just fucking pack it in Go next Did you easy? Um, I want to bring up quickly The negative reaction to magic. I don't know if you're going to go into that too much because they do it in the show Yeah, um I did mention as part of his quote. He says don't mention magic Um, but obviously that's more indicative. He I can't remember if it's this scene or if it's a bit later that we discover his reasoning for Being so averse to magic. I think it's a bit later. I think it's a bit later. I don't think it's this episode I feel like it's a bit later. I think it's so yeah um so we See we move over back over to vi and uh our team of kids who are currently Laying low as as as van der has told them to while the enforcers do whatever the enforcers are gonna do And uh, vi's boxing with this machine purpose built to I guess test and Well, just do boxing within fucking hell the animation already. Look at this shit I love the reactions you would have to have to be able to dodge this like it would have knocked me the fuck out within like three seconds So apparently that's what I heard I didn't double check it We're apparently one of the animators did three years of boxing just to figure out how people would move So they could animate it properly. I've heard a lot of a lot of compliments to her form the quick version being Yeah, it me too resembles A particular style of boxing but streetified um And so it really is worth noting fight choreography in this whole show is just really good Fantastic. It's it's actually amazing It's the and there's a lot of action in the show. So I I cut up a bunch of different like segments of of stuff just to see and like I cut all the action together It's about two hours of action or almost two hours, which is a lot for a six hour show I love the different points of view you get as well Yeah, um, I know you guys have probably Like spoken about this before like one of the things that jumped out I mean the very first like street fight that vi gets into like she kind of gets her ass beat Like you see her properly take hits and and really get bruised and cut up and I was like, wow I can't believe they actually had the balls to do this Some cool. Yeah, that was exactly what we said It was a fucking brutal as you've slowed down is that they have a lot of the 2d animation effects of like motion lines and uh, oh, yeah Integrated into the the movement There's lots of different 2d animation that really sells many visuals. They do many particles in 2d animation They do motion blur light trails You know fire explosions lightning eventually in one of the fight scenes that we'll get to way later on Or later on it looks like they have a lot of fun in that fight scene the 2d animators. They just go all out Look at look at this bit just and keep an eye on your eyes doing those micro movements The super living, uh There's a shot and yeah, just super intense as well Um, also the quick flashes we get of this leaderboard in which she's got all the top scores except for two from claga So just the there's one thing is like it's it's a splendor to look at but it's also telling you something Pretty clearly and you've got on one of the main point scoring sort of elements It seems that powder is drawn a more monster fight vision of Milo as the target interesting Kind of interesting. Well, is this skipping ahead to talk about yes Oh Yeah, so this is another just great scene to give us a lot of information while Justifying it in terms of why they they're all doing this. They're just doing their thing now because they got to wait um with uh Vi obviously doing the boxing really talentedly and then Milo complaining that their little um sort of arcade shooting game is like He could be playing it except uh powder keeps fucking with it Um, which is probably just commentary on the fact that she's super interested in tooling around with all different gadgets and stuff But also improving it. I imagine each time um Kind of took a vibe using the boxing machine as well It's like she's got all this like nervous energy in her that she's trying to expel You know that like she's on edge about everything that's happened And it's just like her way of dealing with it Absolutely. Yeah And if uh, how does face you lights up the Oh, yeah, very excited And um, if you look at the the drawing she's got on there as well very animated and pointed on story, but uh Yeah And again, just look at it. It's gorgeous Oh colors Milo the fucking dick holds again sideways Yeah Yeah, and he basically I think he misses basically all of his shots, right? Yeah, fucking yeah Um, and it becomes clear pretty quickly the reason powder's so excited is because this is the one thing that she can annihilate Milo in Uh, she's a good shot with a pistol Um a little reaction after poor shadowing Well, and I'll say I feel like you've got to fit in the criticisms wherever we can I think it's a little silly that she hits she hits every single shot much Yeah, I was about to imagine that too. I think it would have been cooler if she missed, uh, let's say 30 percent of them Um, yeah But yeah, she's really fucking good. I Uh, I don't and then you get this little expression that uh, again These these little touches. They're so awesome. They feel like real human expressions. Yeah, fuck off Uh Yeah, it's all done really quickly. Um, and it's just telling us stuff Putting putting things in your brain But even though she like she still goes off to like sulk on something else. She's still displeased by Milo Then they realize she keeps laying into her They realize that just outside some people are getting interrogated as to whether or not they know anything about the explosion And uh, the the guy spits on Marcus's shoe And so I think at first we're supposed to believe like, oh no, there's tension Brewing but then this happens Uh, I like I quite like that This gets thrown through the window. It's like, oh shit um and That having happened makes the enforcers aware of these kids and then And and just like I wasn't very impressed by that. I was like, oh, how unfortunate Um, but okay See how it goes. Um Vi quickly realizes that them being searched is bad because uh powder still got those gems on her um And so Milo doesn't know that he's like, you can search me. We got nothing. Yeah Um, but obviously it does the I think yeah, I think she signals clagga to turn the lights off and then she throws Um part of the machine that had Milo's face on it at the enforcer which is a fun joke because Uh, Milo tries to get in cover and use the little little pistol-y thing First and they just have this uh, I'll try to show it now. Yeah, no reaction, dude. It's like Here he goes It's beautiful just because of how hulking and buff they look and they're just Like why did you even try that? But then they hit those so that was cool. He actually hit something so there you go But then he gets docked the fuck out by uh, by throwing the thing which is awesome um, and so they start running And possibly one of the fucking weirdest moments in the whole show for me in terms of was in effect They're running away and they realize that behind they're being chased and in front they're being chased um Echo is just there Yeah, it's just like wait what and he lowers a ladder for them in the exact place. They are It's not a ladder that he got and put there. It's a ladder that's like set it's um I'm just like jesus christ. Holy convenience batman. What the fuck like It's uh Yeah, because it's like a built-in ladder if you know what I mean by that And they're standing right next to it. It's just like oh And to be honest with you since it's so close to this place. They hang out all the time You would have thought vi would know about it um, yeah, actually Um, it's it's all it's all very close, but they just escape and I think we could all argue I think this is here to just make a tension scene for a moment You know like it's because it's not gonna time But I think well this this things you can draw out of it. They're important for character I just mean like why have an action scene right now when you don't have to It's like I think it's just to stimulate the audiences But Big thing that I take from it. Yeah, this is this is a huge important detail. Marcus pulls a gun on the kids Yeah uh It's clear that he gets pretty desperate, but um doesn't have the doesn't have the shot to take what we can tell He hates like crap out of the undercity it seems Definitely to the point where he'll shoot kids So I think the reason the scene is there is because in in like the In the meta plot the most important thing that's going on is the tension between the enforcers and like trying to solve the Explody mystery, but there isn't really that much that needs to happen between Like the end of episode one and the end of episode two. So I think they just kind of Needed to make it more present in the audience's mind that yeah, this is still going on I mean that that's what I assumed. I assume the thing is I think that's achieved by having the kids watching People getting beaten for information and stuff Um having them get chased and all that I think is a little bit unnecessary more so an indication that they were like Useful to have an action scene here Um, so is that what Chad said you're really stretching this more? It's like What I just don't think this again. Jesus. It's a television show with a lot to talk about I don't like I think this is interesting that um, they what is stretching it to be fair. I don't actually know They could be They could be talking about how it's not actually a flaw, but I think a bit too convenient Oh, by the way, moller, here's one of the like very obvious match cuts if you go back like 10 frames I suppose a nice comparison as well of a structure like that in The undercity versus. Oh, yeah, I see I didn't even realize those Yeah, I only noticed it because I was doing all this editing and after effects. I'd be like, oh Hmm It just keeps happening. There's like five or six that are that blatant That's pretty cool What's it do here? And I'm like, I don't even know if that's fair this time around with Billy costs an episode It's fine. It's fine. I I you know, we're getting there. So yes, uh, this is the Um, the symbol for the council chambers. I think right Oh, no, sorry. It's the it's the noxus symbol or our noxus the symbol of medada family Yes, and uh, I think she says I don't know what you think of this dialogue exactly, but it's definitely trying to get an idea straight away Someone just announces you are the richest person in piltover and she says yet the poorest medada So like that sums her up pretty quickly in terms of a motivation. Um And then she says we need something to put us on the map This entire scene annoyed me the first time I watched it and like by my fifth watch I was like, no, actually like everything that happens here is fine. I was actually gonna make that point I think it comes across as a little clunkier Before you understand fully that this is on her mind at all times Um, and that it makes sense that her little Helper would want to tell her Like the good news you are the richest person in piltover and then we get immediately It's like that's not really important to her. It's about what she means to her family Um Always compared against something else And she's toying with some uh devices and she says like is there any anything happening in this city that comes close to innovation? And then she says well someone fucking exploded Uh, they're apartment recently with some weird devices or whatever and he's on trial this afternoon or something like that and she's like, oh You know look into that and she picks up a children's puzzle device The guy is like you don't want that and she's like, oh, yes, it's perfect It's a children's toy. What the fuck? I guess before because I Mel's design is like fantastic That I was yeah, I pointed that out when I was talking to someone I was like hurt. It's so good. It may well be I don't know if I want to say favorite quite yet, but it's one of my favorite character designs in the whole show It's It's it's pretty wonderful She's one of my favorite character designs in any show Her character designs incredibly good gold integration into the the color scheme. It's it's so fucking good It does look pretty damn cool Yeah, let's do it Um Yeah, uh, we get our reintroduction or I guess it's it's an introduction because we haven't we've seen her But we haven't heard anything from her yet to Caitlyn Kiriman Right and I like the way that they do it They show a painting of the family and then they zoom in to the The subjects of this the painting as they talk And um, I just I don't know. I see it as more representative of their How Brideful and important they consider themselves and then she's sitting there as a little girl with a gun, which is A nice full juxtaposition. I suppose in a sense. Um, yeah, I think they're talking about, um You know the fate of jace Yeah, and they're talking about jace because they're there is patron Yeah, she intends so Caitlyn's mom is on the council and she intends to defend him at least somewhat because they've been patrons of sometime Um, and then we find out tensions are rising in in the last drop Obviously after what we just saw with the kids The we're getting a little tired of enforcers beating everybody around to get information They want when it wasn't anybody's fault down here You know, like it wasn't them specifically it was someone else blah blah blah So like they shouldn't be able to do this Banders trying to keep them all calm They did which is way too harsh for spit. I am oh Um, and that seems it's just yeah the the violence getting a little bit more out of control um Banders trying to chill them out, but this this is a lady who's like You uh, I think she she implies he's afraid and he says do I look afraid and she says you look weak? um This lady's name is savika yeah Isn't that one of the coolest names ever savika? and uh Savika is a cool name. I like it. Yeah And I wonder when she's gonna get added to the game She's gotta be she would be my first pick for people with potential to be added Well, yeah, there's no way she doesn't make it in at some point Yeah, especially given that seems to have gotten a really good risk then again, basically all the characters show everybody likes so um There's one very nice little contrast with there's one. Oh, what's the thing vanda sorts out with The bartender and stuff Uh, whether people use off like relatively easily without needing much threat from vanda and then but savika like She doesn't give a shit really. That's right. Yeah all up in her personal space I would argue. Yeah, this is supposed to represent a form of a change He we've seen him dissolve problems and when he spoke to grace and it seemed like that's his really good at it, but Uh, it doesn't work this time Uh, savika leaves with her people Yeah This is a problem. It's a problem very much so, um and uh Well, I found interesting as well. I can't remember which watch through I'll just say the subsequent is that Watching this unfold. It's not worrying any of our kid team. In fact powder says, oh come on Like the four of us could take on the enforcers the under city could like nail them It's just like damn nobody's really seeing like how this is gonna What can happen as a result of this instead? We're very much like egged on to do it um and there is Uh echo looking incredibly suspicious like he's holding on to some kind of secret And I want to highlight another expression he acts A powder walks off and vi is about to But she catches him doing that look in the corner of her eye So she takes a look And then out it just pokes out from the side Back of this out Like those eyes on vi the really suspicious and then hello. I'm also here Um But yeah echo tells them that he watched what happened. There's a deal. There's a nature of the deal and that um With that information then what's what's gonna happen next who knows? Um But we'll cut back to that we've got other scenes to do first Which is more scenes. I thought we did all of them now. It's um Weird guy who's one of the councilors birthday Um, he's quite interestingly designed as well. Oh shit. I'm gonna cancel this Um, and yeah, he gets given that gift by mel and he's like fascinated by it. We'll come back to that And what are the other councilors eating duds, he's just like I got you this for your birthday. He's like I'm fucking alone It tells you a little bit like it's mostly a gag But it does tell you a little bit about the whole favor-carrying thing going on here. Yeah Yeah, and how they don't actually care about each other Yeah They're just doing it so they can hold more leverage. It's already shown that uh mel is better at it than that guy for example um Yeah, uh, another thing I love about this is when jace is entering the room they're all like right here we go But heimating is excited to see him Just happy. Yeah I wonder what that tells us about heimating compared to the rest of the counselors. I wonder Mm-hmm I really like heimating. I I love heimating. He's such a great little addition to the like just having him there It's it's it's so wholesome Yeah, the thing of it was like having never seen the games or anything like that I just I liked him from the very moment that he set foot in that cell and then left He didn't say way too much, but he was always a very upbeat personality and he wasn't like always Too over scolding. He was reassuring. He was a comforting little dude He's just I liked him from the very start and he he he keeps going throughout It seemed like he has the ability to be too faced Uh, yeah, no, no, absolutely not. No What I uh, what I like What I like about this scene is that they have a problem to solve as a writer team That is we've got to get jace to talk about the magic even though He's explicitly been told not to and probably believes in that advice. So how do we do it? And it's like, well They have him say i'm sorry standard, then you have um german Uh confirming and he's a good guy And then him he's saying that from some response. He destroyed a fucking building Well, he's a good guy and then heimerdinger to counter that says well, you know, a lot of things get broken in science How it works And then they go well, yes, but you usually make something. Did you make anything? And it's just like well No And then she goes so it was meaningless then he's like, no, it's not fucking meaningless. I'm trying to crack magic. It's like Yeah, having his work. They're right the timer thing is like you motherfucker. I want to tell you Feel like it's it's like the core disconnect between like a scientist and somebody who doesn't really understand Like it's a process You're working at things you're working at new problems. You don't necessarily know where you're going with it That's the process that guy doesn't care. What i was trying to highlight specifically though Was just that they managed to get him to say i'm making magic without it being arbitrary and and Causing trouble for him. He says it defensively. He's pushed. Yeah, he's pushed, isn't he? And you know, it's enough to stir his pride and and his ambition for what he's trying to accomplish And you really feel his frustration in that moment. He's passionate about magic. That's for sure. And we know why we know why Yeah, and the moment you call this shit worthless like nah, dude I was about to make a huge ass breakthrough here. What ain't worthless to him. It's really not worthless to him at all How infinitely frustrating that he had it under control, but some idiot's broke into his house and blew it up like Yeah So of course, he's just he's just mad at this entire scenario, especially with the repercussions of it You could say he's coping and seething Um, and yeah, so the scene takes an interesting turn when he starts advocating for the importance of his project And how magic can be used to benefit piltover and the one that he's cut off by is heimerdinger Doubting enough at him Heimerdinger is very severe Yeah, he's The rest of them are outclassed in this portion of the conversation by heimerdinger's frustration Which is he says that um, it's magic corrupts consumes and lays waste to civilizations Uh, and heimerdinger's a hater. He is a nice change. I like whimsical attitude Yeah Like do not fuck with this shit Oh, yeah, I feel like that's uh, that might be worth good I think it is just a strong sign of good character writing when you establish a character to have a certain temperament And then you suddenly change that Uh, with the mention of a specific topic. It's just immediately going to communicate to basically everybody. Oh Oh, like, you know, it's kind of the thing of right when someone defies an expectation that's been set you pay more attention Sorry, that is anger right there It is anger. It's got this little fist clenched Yeah, that's that's as angry as this kind gentle soul can uh, can get Yeah, and when a kind gentle soul gets angry everybody pays attention Exactly, it's it's it's the whole thing of the the character who man a few words when he does speak you pay attention Because you set an expectation when you breach it just calls attention to that And we don't know why at the moment I mean he gives us reasons why but we don't we don't fully understand it I find him frustrating because he has a habit of saying this is bad. Don't do it, but doesn't elaborate at all He absolutely elaborates So this this scene he says that the danger of magic ultimately leads to civilizations being completely raised um And then in later scenes because I don't think this is a spoiler He just says like uncontrolled and untested science whether relates to magic or not is dangerous Which is true It's also worth pointing out that I like There's a there's a plot line. We don't need to go into too much detail But it has to do with science and magic, right? Yes, and I don't think the magic is ever really understood Like it's it doesn't seem to be an element that's completely under control Even when they create technology that it is more controlled, but I don't think they understand exactly how it works I Go into this a little bit more now in the league of legends universe in runeterra magic is fucked up Magic has nearly destroyed the world like multiple times Yeah, and not to mention At least one city state like completely bans magic and is intensely afraid of magic because This shit you don't fuck around with magic essentially Yeah, in in this universe. It is playing with fire. Basically. Well, look at the image we're showing, right? Yeah, the closest analogy seems to be um nuclear technology, right Um, yeah, I think I think you could say so. Yeah, it is the idea of when you are tapping like sciences you sort of You're exploring sort of underlying parts of reality. Um the I guess the Damn, I am explaining this very badly someone else Well, it's I'm just the examples that were uh that were brought up. It's it's nearly destroyed the like the world multiple times. Yep. Um nuke's have done that and it's um Well, it's not got to the stage where actual damage has been done But we've been very close to the uh brink of nuclear I can't actually say the word Nihilation Uh, it was like a button press away and it's like two guys decisions save the world on like Occasion, right? Yeah, uh, we've got there are city states that ban it in its entirety, right? That's yeah Tons of stories like this if you're a mage, you're taken away Yeah, there's there's stories like this Sorry. Oh no, uh, well it was saying that like so they've got several Several different points in which magic fucked up everything and Timerdingers over here talking about how So few can actually wield the damn thing in the first place So they just don't have a whole lot of you know test beds for this for good examples So obviously everybody's freaked out I think yeah, there's a quote. Yeah later, uh the pilter was created to escape the Room wars or the magic wars or some Yeah, the room was other conflict that really fucked the world Which I imagine we'll get more on as the show goes on Uh, because they they don't give us a lot of detail about in the season one Um, and yeah, so after that obviously the leverage uh, jace had pretty much gone and so his mum pleads for his life uh And to be instead of banished from like piled over entirely to just be sequestered to his family And to work on their like business and to just and not be allowed to pursue magic clients And yeah, that's that's uh, they vote in favor of that. He is never to set foot on academy grounds ever again. Um Which is some of the worst news he could possibly have Well, this is his life's work from his pov might that actually be worse than just exile like a Mm-hmm, you know You can stay here, but you can't do your life's work. It's like man Yeah, it's it's close to jamie lannister losing his hand just a little bit less permanent, but yeah It's of a similar magnitude People are mentioning in chat because it was the point that metal brought up about the frostbite that uh his mum's fingers Right Get a shot of that stick That's so great in terms of just a little touches Yeah, it's good stuff. Oh man, my birthday is over. Oh, I didn't notice that that is so That is based It's really good. It's a really good detail. They just use just it's like it's like I said if you don't if this is monitor 2 Uh content for you, you're gonna miss so much That's why we are causing so often to comment on so many little visual details Look how much praise we've delivered. We've not even gotten to the good ones according to like I personally think episode one's probably the weakest episode and that's not I mean, it's still good It's just not as good. It's slow boiling right now. That's what's going on here. It's slow boiling. Yeah Also, it's it's worth noting too. Mel gives the glare over to the guy She just gave a toy to which shows that her sway over many of the council members is in effect So a lot of what she decides Will influence a lot of other people's decisions. Yeah, I love the glare that she makes over to bearded man He saved him. Um, if you notice because she turned it from a 3 4 to a 4 3 By giving that something Something that's worth pointing out is that a lot of the council stuff Didn't make sense to me the first time through and some of it I was convinced it was just like bad writing And after watching the series two three times all of it makes sense But I think it could make a bit it could make a bit more sense on first watch through I don't think everything is communicated super clearly necessarily. I I wonder if you guys agree with that Well, I think there's just a lot that's easy to miss a lot of it is explained But you really do have to be paying a little closer attention because they're not going to just explicitly tell you what's going on You can miss things and that's not really poor writing. It's just subtle more subtle than we're used to Um, there is a distinction between like missed stuff stuff that you can miss because it's subtle and stuff that you can miss that Because it's just not communicated effectively and and it should be communicated to an audience more clearly, right? There is a distinction there. Sure. It's it's it's a it's a blurry line. I think yeah um But yeah, I like that They're each raising their hands pretty sternly, but heimading and raises it with like a smiling face Like there's a good This is a good show. Mm-hmm um Yeah, then we move over to uh Marcus has been called to meet with silco Uh Silco, this is the first scene again. Well, it's the second scene with silco, but we're just getting more lines from him He has a lot of good lines It says to to marcus you carry your chin so high you fail to see the opportunities below Yeah, that was a really, yeah, that's a great line um He's got loads of They just cut straight to whatever point he's making and dressing down other characters Silco is overrated. You can get banned for things like that. You gotta be careful Oh You push more than with a with a single sentence. That's a good character writing. Oh, yeah um Then we cut back to jace basically like Head as low as it could be in his room and I think the scene opens with a shot of like a photo Of him and his dad with a hammer or it's one of the shots anyway, but it's just like It's it's a nothing. Well, it's something to consider as a as a watch for the show But people are already fans of the game be like, oh little jace hold the hammer Yeah I don't believe he hasn't said that by now. It's such a fail No, I know he should say it because if he doesn't say it, how do I know it? You know, what I have to look at the screen And figure things out of my own. I don't look at the screen. I'm playing a video game. That's right. I have to wait Is uh, is this the scene where he scolds his mom? Well, um, I was It's one of the things I forgot to mention. Um her defense of him is that he's basically out of his mind Yeah, yeah, which sucks for him because he's not at all and he has to be saved by his family saying he's crazy um Which sucks obviously fucks with his mind and even he appeals to her. It's like magic saved your life Like I know but it's not gonna save yours now I just feel like this is a particularly brutal scene of him like telling his mom off Yeah, it really sucks to see Yeah, obviously she's just trying to save him Yeah This is one of the circumstances where I don't think either character is necessarily wrong But it's perfectly understandable why there was just like massive tension. They're both well informed in their motives And yeah, and I think I want yeah, he says um, if my own family won't help me, I'll find someone who will Damn, yeah, which is just like jesus christ. The fuck again from her POV. She just saved his life. Um And yeah, what's interesting is he says something like that. Who do we see next? victor And hymerding Oh, thank you hymerding They're packing away all of uh What remains of jesus research to be destroyed tomorrow? Um And victor is just like picking up pieces of it and he's like this is actually this could work interesting Yeah, and then hymerding was like, yeah, we'll just fucking unstable Someone would have to like really refine it and then he's like, why don't you do it? And he's like me the fuck like, why would I do that? Um Yeah, and he says no no no magic is far too dangerous in the wrong hands Uh, which wouldn't be enough to I'm just gonna say quickly that wouldn't deter someone like victor or jace because as far as they're concerned. They are the right hands Yeah, and and for hymerdingers perspective like the more likely it is to work the more justified it is in being destroyed And they don't even seem so sure of himself. So clearly he's been around, you know, like jason victor little weird for how long Jason victor don't have that context that they haven't seen firsthand what magic can do Yeah This is kind of a theme throughout this show, isn't it like you could say that the older generation are the ones who have Made the mistakes and are always trying to rein in the younger generation to try and caution them You know, don't make the same mistakes that we did and the younger ones are always that The idealistic ones the ones that think they can fix everything the ones that think they can Succeed where the previous generation failed and obviously you learn that they don't I wouldn't be surprised if um every warning hymerdinger gives in in these episodes is gonna be very relevant as the seasons go on. Yeah Well, I mean it already kind of is right. I mean there's a particular scene. It's pretty brutal Um, give it time and we move back over to silco and he's like you're looking at some big fishies He's like beautiful auntie yet. No one knows they exist which very much be interpreted And then especially with the response, which is their monsters. There's a monster inside us all His name is Derek. Yes Derek cut herself Um, and he's trying to convince decades to take this potion and he's like nah, man I think he says at one point it'll kill me or something like that and he says, um Real power doesn't come to those who are strongest fastest or smartest It comes to those who will do anything to achieve Definitely getting inside silk goes head a little bit Yeah, not to mention he ain't just talking about the purple stuff um So the last we saw of uh, oh well he only takes the the thing at that point decades Suppose we'll see of what comes of that But coming back to jace when he said he was going to go and find someone who will help him he ends up at katelin's house And uh, he's basically banned Um, he manages to talk to katelin briefly and she says like what are you gonna do and he says I guess I'll join the hammer business He says you can't do that. He just looks down and says no I can't And uh, when the mum comes out, he's just like I just want to explain what's what's happening Then she's just like get the fuck out. Um You did enough for something along those lines like uh, so it's fair to assume Really running out of options Because not only is his career dead, but his reputation is probably dead now too to the point where he's not even allowed to speak to, um the counselor or her daughter And it's raining Raining fuck rain It's one of them class things again where the societies that Piltover is modeled after the sort of I guess pseudo victoria and almost They're very very concerned with appearance So now that now that he's tangled with this shit No, no one's ever gonna touch him again No one's going anywhere near him because he's the guy that was trying to do magic. He's the crazy guy Yep um This was this was a very uh has been an already a very bizarre way to approach talking about a subject So I don't believe the fact that drinker will now have to go. Um Uh I'm sorry. I wish I could stay longer especially because like you're you're getting to the the good bits. No Oh, yes, I know damn it. Everyone's excited. Yeah, it's all right. If I I'll come back in tomorrow morning when I When I get up You'll yeah, no worries. Probably reached episode three by then. Well, yep The awkward thing is like I would say like well, do you want to get anything out? You want to say about the show now? I was like, well, it's probably going to be stuff that I'll want to talk about in about eight hours from now Yeah Maybe uh, yeah, I wouldn't spoil anything but uh, yeah If you'd rather because like I was going to say people gonna want to hear what you think of arcane And maybe a little bit more detail in the video. So if you want to do a stream about it I'll happily join you if you want to do a quicker conversation regarding like the characters or the main plot line and stuff I think we could do that. Um, I mean we're gonna be doing a bit of a stream tomorrow night anyway, so I don't know if we could Segue into that at some point. Yeah, we'll work something out anyway. Absolutely. Well, thank you anyway for for joining us And um, I'm glad we could talk about something that we read like we do it every once in a while And it's We do like things. It's great Yeah It's just guys Man there's only eight of us. Do you think we'll be able to do it? I don't know, man. No, that's that's one of us per one of us per hour. I believe that's probably with mentioning actually, uh People like the fuck rags and said anything. He's currently dealing with something I'm not sure what but we can't guarantee how much he will be saying You're in there. You may see a certain doggo Whereas rags is safe. Is he all right? Anyway, uh, moving on We get to see a scene where all the counselors are appealing to the, um Uh, the the current sheriff plus who like right-hand man being Grayson and Marcus and there's this wonderful little bit where Grayson sort of introduces the problem Which is we still haven't found the thing and then the counselors are like fucking fix it Do whatever you have to do you loses and you can tell Marcus is getting more and more frustrated with Grayson's answers So he says like, um, oh, we'll fucking tear the place apart. We'll turn it upside down We'll find him and it shocks Grayson Obviously expression wise and then as she gives her answer She like moves the sort of be in front of of him and counter what he's saying Which I think he like he says he's gonna like turn it upside down But then she says we've conducted several investigations frozen half of their commerce With respect. Have we not pushed them hard enough? like The two different mindsets being so clearly illustrated Yeah, the escalation versus escalation Yeah, um And of course, I think she's described him earlier as being someone who uh Is like green or need to just just this is young foolish and stuff. But um, The techno union leader Does anyone get nice? I figure Theo's probably the only one that's gonna get that Yeah Yeah, he like demands a more like A fist of to be done and Marcus is clearly inspired by what he says Like, yeah, that's the correctest approach A couple people would not get it Would you say so? Yeah, what's his name? Rob, what's his name? What's Rob's name? Yeah, does he have a name or is he just a side? He's techno union man techno union. That's it. That's just it. All right. That's fine. I'll call him Rob though I don't really I don't really know what his deal is Okay, well, I just wasn't sure if maybe he was a character that I wasn't privy to because I'm not a league player So I'm just gonna call him Rob. I don't know what's going on with him I love the design but uh So techno union is is a faction in the prequels There's a robot man who this reminds me of who leads them Uh, that's all I got for him That's my insight on this character I call him 3p on my notes. Rob the robot from like fucking Nintendo. Yeah, yeah, exactly Moller, we also skipped a scene. That's actually kind of important Oh, did we now which one? Uh, basically Jayce walks up to the Kieraman estate. Oh, yes, we didn't talk about that. We definitely did not talk about that Go ahead. What did you think of it? Wait, did we did we talk about that? Yeah, we talked about that. Am I stroking out? Okay Yeah, we we basically said like yeah now now He can't even talk to her friend but to his friend Caitlyn because his mom's like fuck you get him out of here Yeah, Theo talked about it. So it's representation of the class divide and how reputation is very important and built over Yeah, we said all kinds of things you fuck Oh, okay. Well, you didn't say what I was gonna say so I can I can say that anyway um that so Caitlyn's like probably Caitlyn's main Motivation or arc or whatever is sort of trying to resist nepotism and become her own person And a lot of that is resisting. We don't know anything about Caitlyn right now Well, I that's what that's what I that's why I'm saying is because this is the first time it's you start to see it established This time she caves but in the future she fights back stronger and stronger as things go on We're not in the future. Yeah, we're in the press. Yeah So just for FYI the idea of the way we're trying to do it. I don't care hugely It's just I think beneficial. So you'd be like it seems like Caitlyn gives in to the instruction despite the fact that she's invested in Jace But she seemed hesitant at the time which is interesting Um, okay, it's one more time and I'll tell you that's the way that we do it. Yeah Um, uh, thank you skip to sit and I was I was gonna say what you said I was like really I'm going through just chronologically. It's gonna be hard for me to this one, but uh Yeah, so uh marcus has been inspired by that little little theme Go straight to the last drop and inspects the fuck out of it because he's pretty sure with the information He's had from selco that this is the the place to find what he's looking for um But vanda plays it cool And I I do like the he's such a little dweeb when he's like, uh, give me the strongest drink you got Yeah, yeah, okay. Give me the good shit or something along those lines. It's funny because like Marcus is so I guess ignorant of how a lot of things work is that I would be like, dude Be careful. He's probably gonna give you piss like why would you? Really so fucking Impetuous and tightly wound and yeah Um But vanda has a thing set up where he presses the little thing and it activates the little toy And it works as an alarm for everybody in the room so that they can hide his Smart move vanda Character did a smart thing everyone look you'll see very often Finally the way that the scene opens on vanda like rolling the scroll Thingamajiggy back and forth against the ball. Oh, yeah Like he's really considering this at this point well, absolutely because the his His uh people are getting more and more restless and so a pilt over so something's gonna someone's gotta give Um, yeah, yeah, they go and inspect it. Uh, luckily everybody's Hiding someone said from silco spoilers. So they've already had a scene where he and silco made a deal of some kind Um, I don't think he's spoiling anything at this point to say that he's probably gotten information from silco Otherwise, why would he have directly come to vanda? other than Sort of vague assumption. I guess that works. It's just that I assume it's because silco has pointed that direction Yeah, silco pointed him in that direction because um, he got that information from uh Shadwick or whatever his name is who's a monster now Yeah, yeah in the first episode deck deck it mentioned that the kids were um involved because they because Silco sent Deckard to uh monitor the kids as they were doing their heist. So now silco mentions it to um officer man I'm bad with names. I'm sorry, but All right So now officer man having dealt with the kids by running into him in the arcade knows who they are that they're with vander So in that all so in all those turn of events and everything now Yeah, and he's he thinks he's one very convinced Uh, but they they all have hiding spots. Um, one of them almost doesn't work out He slips, but it's okay and um Even vanda, he had marcus takes his pipe and drops it into his drink. He has to be like He's a little dingus. I'm a shitter. Yeah, um But vanda keeps his cool No Nearly loses it when marcus alludes to the fact that he's been talking to silco Yeah Because you weren't always the something I can't remember You weren't always a peacekeeper Like vanda gets all up and then fist on the table. Well, and he says, um Be ashamed to put those on again cast iron hard to clean like Um Oh, yeah, uh marcus gets pissed because they don't find anything And he's like loses his shit So he smashes the The bottle across the table and he says, uh, he says a couple of things One of the ones is that we all know there's a crime behind every coin that passes through this place Which is a really interesting thing for him to say Just Being really unhinged Fucking penis through and through Oh Jesus man Um If you concern with spoilers and change the thumbnail, no, that's that's just a character from legal legends as far as you're concerned Don't worry about it Sitting on a chair. That's all Oh, that's well, that's the literally the netflix thumbnail. Yeah. Yeah, I'm that's fine It's jinx the character from league of legends. You'll be okay. You'll make it Um, yeah, there's literally the cover of the show like that. You can't watch the show on netflix without seeing that image Well, the netflix is spoiling it all We hate them Yeah I've lost my place No, it's that to be fair though. You can't watch uh midnight mass on netflix without seeing the um, I guess Because I don't want to spoil it. You can't see you can't watch that without seeing the uh antagonistic supernatural thing being Um, and I'm like that feels like a spoiler to me. It's like that that that creature is what the antagonist is Yes Um So sorry if that was too much of a tangent Well, you just you just you just destroyed the flow. No one wants to speak anymore. Look, they're all silent Yeah, I'm just gonna go now. I don't want to be I hate you Um, anyway, yeah Everyone's getting pretty you know rustled and hustled and bustled and crustled Um, and vi is like what the fuck are we doing? Can we kill them now? And vanda's like, dude No, okay. They told you how many times um And yeah, and she says something like if you're not gonna do anything then I will Like all right, I'm to give you a big old life lesson being a bitch He takes her out the bridge from a fuck up takes her to the prolog bridge Um She says how can you work with them? We saw what they did. I grew up with less than them I want powder to have more than that Obviously very very motivated uh And then I think he just like pretty harshly explains your parents would be alive if not for fighting the top-siders Who you willing to lose Milo clagger powder No one wins in war When the scene opens on the characters as well like the first shot of I I'm pretty sure you can hear her remembering explosions from From that thing or that might just be the thunder like giving that pressure No, I I think it is Which one? the two Which one do you think it is? No, I mean, I would do what I think it is Pretty sure it's explosions Yeah, I'd go with that the the sunda like Yeah, it could just be triggering the memory, you know um Yeah, we've also got this shrine for uh, all the people who would have died sitting here as well The bit like it's not like glorious Almost rudimentary, but like that's exactly how you'd expect it to be. It's been so long and just it's just something that people want to respect I suppose all the lies a lot um But yeah, uh, that's the major point he gives her is the essentially like what your advocate for is what I did Back in the day and it's what brought us together in the first place like Your obsession with wanting to take them out. Are you who you're willing to sacrifice for that exactly? And I I think it's just stuff that Vi hadn't properly considered It seems that a lot of the people on both sides assume immediately that they'll win And it'll be great Um, but definitely Something for her to think about and it's just a really good vanda scene Vanda's neat That is a cool dude um Then we get It's arguably pretty heavy scene. Uh, jace is Basically Not very happy. He's lost his whole reputation Standing with his like friends uh his ability to study conduct scientific stuff As well as exploring magic like with with a lot of backing so um Is even um that cuff that he's been wearing with the stone embedded in it that that guy gave him is sitting just Dismissed on the table, which is it means so much to him already. So yeah, he's gonna throw himself off Zone house gonna kill himself There's just not much else to it anymore. Uh, lost what gave his life meaning sort of thing but uh Turns out, um Just before he would have done this someone who was interested from what he saw with heimerdinger has arrived at his house To ask him further question It was am i interrupting? Yeah Great um, so yeah, uh, obviously victor's just intrigued by everything that he's seen And uh, I think jace even questions Motive or at least his interest and and and how it relates to everything and he describes himself as uh Like I think he gives him a sense of motivation. He says he's poor crippled from the undercity without any benefits of a patron Simply believes in himself I and he says I think you're on to something Man, what a great what a great fantastic character we might have Who knows really we're not you know, we've seen so little of him, but I mean the future is is is interesting He might push him off in a few seconds. We don't know. Yeah And uh, yeah, I think victor uh jace is like, oh What are we gonna do and he's like Because of all the restrictions I have and he says if you're gonna change the world you don't ask for permission I enjoy quite a line from victor from victor. Yes I'm a big fan of the uh back and forth between them at the start of the scene Where like victor mentions You know the fact that jace signed all of his notes and he's part of that being a little bit egotistical Because that's drawn from what their dynamic is is like from the games lore originally Uh And it's represented well here and that victor like jace asked if he's here to insult Victor seems almost like surprised by that. He's like, well No, I'm here about the work because all that matters to victor is the work As opposed to all of the extraneous other shit that comes alongside Yes, when you're involved with a project like this Key difference between the two Um And yeah, so for for just show fans the the scene ends normally with him being like man You know, if we're gonna be working together, what is your name? He says victor easy But for games people who haven't picked up who he is yet like Oh I guess You look at him and it's like that's him I would argue that yeah, it's gonna be like two years until they get more content from this They may as well join the train of what people who play the game know Victor in the game is very different than what you see in the show But he's not different in the sense that they've adapted him to be a different character He's different in the sense that oh shit. We're seeing him when he's really early on Mm-hmm. Yeah, this man has places to go. I looked up how what he's like in the games. Oh boy. Yeah Yeah He's getting there dude the way he looks in the game. I think when you've only seen the two episodes you'd be like, huh? I don't understand like what and Honestly for those who are just like trying to figure out how any different ways they could do it It's just exciting because you're like, oh, maybe this happens Oh I have my theory. So what's gonna happen? I guess well immediately. Um at the beginning of Season two and for him But wait, well, we've talked about it Uh, a couple of times this this is the thing. I think a lot of us from what I understand We'll be very excited to watch this as it is Uh, the suit in second season and because it's Netflix. We get it relatively quicker than a lot of other shows would be At least in release I love waiting a week for every Boba Fett episode. It really lets me save in the series You know what? It's nice actually that we we can just calm back down from the cringe. This is like and look It's nearly over home stretch one more week. Yeah, that's it And then never again except until season two comes Well, no until the Obi-Wan show. I don't know. Yeah, that's next, isn't it? Yeah Yeah, I don't believe they would make a book of Boba Fett season two. I guess we'll see Who knows? Yeah, they don't know what to do with him. So there should be like a book of someone else maybe That's the Star Wars variety show Whoa Book of Boba Fett season two with no Boba Fett just like So kind of like a third of season one then Yeah, literally what a bizarre show that like we just it's called the book Of Boba Fett and he's just like basically absent for two out of the seven episodes And nothing to do with him. We're all about Mando Um, what a whatever anyway arcane The most we I don't know what it says about us that we randomly tangent for talking about how good arcane is To how bad book of Boba Fett I think it says more about book of Boba Fett to be honest I think it says the we see them as a representative of a scale Yeah Um, but yeah, uh when when he says his name that's the beginning of a relationship potentially Yeah So, um the next scene begins with Vi going to see powder Which is Interesting considering what we just saw in terms of like I wonder what she's up to she's holding the bunny That she talked about before that was stuck upon Those those wires Um and the first thing I think she Is from powder is I made these for the enforcers two are filled with smoke two are filled with nails Yeah Okay, okay come down your psycho jesus the thing is after the conversation. She just had with vanders It's like looking at her face when she announces that she's like Oh Okay, good job Important um, obviously she's impressed with the ingenuity and the passion but she's like Clearly starting to accept the fact is like, oh right. Yeah, you're like a little warhawk Because of things that we've probably been talking about um I'm like, I mean she's sitting there and she's making a pipe bomb. They're just acting like Yeah, you're so cute Um And yeah, she says How to what makes you different makes you wrong Something that's definitely gonna stick with it As she's walking off though by How to Is picking something up like something's wrong I especially would have thought that's worth pointing out with the fact that she's got The bunny. It's like something's happened then Um Meanwhile, uh, Grayson is shouting the fuck out of marcus for screwing up big time by doing what he did in the in the last drop And he's like, no, it was good. We did good Fuck you it's important to do And as they're arguing, I think she says like you may have made this like impossible to fix now, but then Old tube arrives The one that we know vanda was uh given like wait, uh, chungus. What's going on? Wait, uh, maybe it's not too late And then they play the song, uh, I really like this one. I don't know if anyone has any different thoughts to give I'm a fan. I never remember the songs because I don't actually know what song this is Is this the one where like imagine dragons appear on the screen? No No, no, that's later. Like absolutely Oh, no, yeah, this is the this is the one that's like, um, it's quite a modern song and it's like actually diegetic in the setting, right? Yeah Playground first. Yeah diegetic technically as well because it fades into the background and it's just coming from the scene Yeah, this is one of my three favorite scenes in the show. I think it's it's like spectacularly well made the incorporation of music and like sound design and pacing it's it's just brilliant Like it narratively isn't that important to need so much of an emphasis, but I don't know. I like I've never I've never once watched the scene and not gone back and immediately rewatched it Um, the name of the song our love or something like that. Yeah, it's our love Um Yeah, so powder's pretty depressed She I think she's aware of what's happening. Vanda figures it out after getting her a drink But like everything seems pretty chill right until he realizes that and it's intercut with someone breaking into benzos And then the enforcers coming And I think a lot of people will be able to put it together that vai has taken the uh Little capsule thing And she's giving herself up which to be fair she is the most responsible in a sense for what happened And she obviously believes if she gives herself up goes to prison for this, uh, it'll solve the tension Taking responsibility, which I think is also incorporated through her describing the bunny being up in the in the thing as a bad day And thus her taking it down is her taking responsibility to create a good day Um, or at least undo the bad day and like this is this is what needs to be done is the right decision sort of thing. Um Shows a lot about it good good good And then the final thing that happens in the episode is the people come through the door and she's shocked Now if you know that she's expecting enforcers you'd be like wait, but why are you shocked? What happened? Was it I would kill to have them add him into this so funny You just picture he's always talking about taking over the world and stuff Like there's a serious or like people talking about actual events related to the show And he's just in the background trying to get them to listen to his evil plans or something Yeah And you know it's not until the seasons later that he actually gets some level of power At first it's all about just he just wants to take over the wheel Um So that's episodes one and two I guess we'll stop the stream there Yeah No, fuck off Oh the aggression Oh, that would be fucking off if you stop the stream that would be the way to fuck off episode three is real shit See fringy already fucked off. Yep. He's gone rags is gone. I mean Yeah, not much happens in episode three It's just kind of a down episode. Hello. It's I was gonna say hello Matt and I we're the the b-team efat posts Are you gonna be talking about episode four because nobody wants to talk about episode three, okay Yeah, so three isn't like a masterpiece of filmmaking or anything to summarize they all Are happy Yeah Race and chain with ice cream. Yay Hey, Jay. Jay someone said that you mean the bay team. Nice. Nice. Yeah Whoa, what have you like the cum team or something with you two? Oh, that's even better Hello Imagining like someone calling out for the cum team to help come and like arrive and help He don't call out for the cum team. I think you start like barring your door when they're on the way They're to steal your cum Oh I'm curious. You don't you don't have to specify, but does anyone have a favorite episode that is an episode three Uh, I like the consensus second to last episode number eight Really? Seven or nine. I was about to say seven and nine in my backups to Hmm. Yeah, I would say three and seven a big fan of four Nobody likes you Jay who's using four No, I like a lot of what's in four as well. That's the problem for me. I really don't like the show in terms of episodes Except I'll give it to three. I do think of it like that, but I think of it in scenes There's so many scenes I adore and sometimes I forget which ones they're even from Yeah, well, let's think about three is I think three and one are the only ones where it's basically like one plot line It's very cohesive, especially like the last I want to say 25 to 30 minutes is basically one unit of action Maybe that's wrong, but it feels that way. It's very Very well put together So anyway, you guys want to talk about episode three Fine Why not? Why not? So we don't we don't open on By or vander or powder we open on silco doing a monologue Very fucking deliberate Browning the story of opposites is a piece in water That in and all your problems will fade away Then there's this thing in your head and it's raging fight survive The question lingers Had enough This might be a little bit unclear for people who are just watching the show that this is even silco because you know Sometimes you're not even remembering exactly who and what everything is you're sort of taking it in But obviously he's our bad guy And he's talking It's likely going to be about why he's a bad guy Um no, he's morally gray Sure You can pretty much get the idea that it's silco based on the fact that his left eye appears to be gone in like a quick blink Yeah, he's got well, it's it's really well done He's got this it's a more idealized version of himself. I guess falling in the in this vast ocean alone But then it like Intercuts there's this thing Raging and his eye is cut and his blood going all over the water Christ Yes, it's the point he's making about Juxtaposition of drowning at least from his POV. I can't imagine taking much solace at all in drowning um, I really really love it because I feel like You can fit everyone around him into this Analogy he's drawing like I think through silco's eyes vanda like drowned He just closed his eyes and let it in Because he didn't give he didn't fight I was gonna bring that up about halfway through but I think all the pieces are there, right? Well, yeah, uh, we just set them on the table, right? And then you point to him. So that's what he's talking about um It looks like someone's not being weak He's someone's slashed his eye and the water itself Looks a lot more discolored than would have been caused by just blood as in Thumbs up with the water. Uh, it's my assumption Um Yeah, I think the last thing he says is it's funny You can pass a lifetime without facing a choice like that For that, I thank you old friend um So this scene incredibly fucking important silco at least that's what we're drawing Um Someone big is doing it to him when I was watching it for the first time I was like that's probably vanda because they're obscuring him quite a bit and we've got A couple of hints already that vanda's history was very very violent And uh silco's interest was raised when vanda was mentioned. I was like, I feel like there's enough here to gather that's probably him that's doing it Mark is saying he spoke to an old friend of vanda's and the way vanda reacts Yeah, they probably knew each other which Leads you then. Yeah, that's probably vanda and I remember it was this image Because obviously it's the third episode I was watching and I was just like this show ain't fucking around like imagery wise, isn't it? Like this wasn't what I was expecting. I was expected to be so much more chill But um Yeah, like it's quite dark. Well having that image alongside the thank you old friend when talking about what it means to drown I was just like what are we this isn't at all A league of legends tv show as I would have expected it, but I'm not Yeah, I expected like some like too much marvel-esque like lightheartedness out of this when I was first thinking about it Nope That's the thing man. I think one thing you could definitely say that's in this that isn't in a lot of mainstream stuff is Is just the best kind of edgy and I think we describe it as having teeth is what Theo said earlier Yes, that's apt marvel. Disney products do not have teeth. They never will They can't make anything happen that can shock an audience with how well it was created and how realistic or raw it can be It's always going to be chill Yeah, it's kind of interesting actually because like the the main comparison I draw from the series is to marvel films and the only marvel film in my opinion At least of the ones I've seen that even comes close to arcane is infinity war I think I think I don't I don't know whether arcane is better than infinity war or not I'd have to go back and re-watch it, but it probably is Timothy walls got a lot of own problems Yeah, but like it this is basically what I want from marvel films that you just are never going to get I Agreed So we begin with realizing it's actually benzo and vanda that have come for vai and Your decision has pushed vanda to make a decision which is to lock her in Benzo's like basement while he gives himself up Which should solve the problem and also protect her which is his main concern here. He's uh The stability of the undercity will likely be threatened with him gone But he believes benzo should be able to at least account for most of that The fact is he can't choose that over vai Which I think is very important to think about as to what it means for his character and I think it's informed by the prologue He's he feels responsible for them and the lives that they've lived Yes Um Yeah, and so Grayson's like what the fuck like you can't be serious And uh, he basically says that this is the only way to protect the others Uh to to vai sorry and he says you've got a good heart. Don't let the will take it from you gay Dupa gay the best kind of gay Um, and yeah, the way he gives off what's happening to Because they just can't resist using subtext Is uh, they ask for like vai and then he says you'll oblige a doomed man one last smoke, won't you? And like he says that And Grayson is like what? Because she knows exactly what he means. I think uh I'm saying it is even confusing. Yeah, look at her fucking face when he says it. Yeah Because uh him being gone means Uh a lot obviously Probably the fact that they're probably on good terms just in general I imagine the friends to some degree, but uh him giving himself up is huge Because they have their goals aligned. They're of the same mind above and below So without him here down below Who the fuck's gonna feel those shoes Exactly, but uh, he makes it clear that that's what's happening So they eventually run with it Um And then I think we switch to vise pov Where she's yelling Obviously it won't make a difference because they're all aware she's in there. They're just There's a different deal happening um But then blood splatters across the the window, which I don't know if I'm afraid of anybody else, but for me I was like, whoa, what are we doing? I was like jesus christ Mom And so already because I already I just I was aware of episode three's reputation. So, um I was just like, oh shit. I guess this is what people mean is that people start dying then which to be fair. Yes Um, maybe not in the way that you thought um The blood being this was pointed out by actually the um the video one of the videos that mean for me watched But um, it's just something I didn't think about before having it pointed out The blood splatter makes the whole room red Um for the remainder of the scene when it was tinted different. It's just a nice Lighting choice that they made. Uh, oh, yeah a bit spookier for I though Unfortunately Grayson has been killed Yep, which is um, yeah, and it's a shame uh in some ways just because I really liked it and she was a really cool character to have in this world But narratively this serves a lot um and well rip the sheriff of piltover and I have to see what happens as a result of that too but yeah, uh, we see all this left is marcus and benzo And vanda and I think we even see vanda sees that she's dead and does a big old no Uh, letting us know he did care about it. He's not happy. She's dead. It's just good to make sure you take care of that. Um So I thought I would be annoyed But um silco arrives And they can't resist having him arrive in a way that's much more interesting than just him being there. Can they? Look at that smokiness org F for dummy mommy Oh Bracen was fridged. Oh my god God damn Bracen was definitely a gaslight girl to us Only um, so silco's here Like oh god, what are you up to which is literally what benzo says? I think he's like, why are you up to you little bastard? What are you doing? So bitch I was trying to give him a give him a big old conk on the head, but he's fucking killed by what I actually thought at first was gonna be dr. Mundo I mean, yeah, I could see that with the whole So I thought it was rocked in our pulling stuff I'm being completely honest at first. I thought it was gonna be warwick because of the violence But then when they showed this shot I was like, oh is that dr. Mundo? Um, but no it's neither they this just Shimmer bro Yeah Shimmer is the substance. Yeah. Yes. So there's shimmer demons told Wipes out benzo he dead and then marcus is like what the fuck this wasn't the deal at all Then silco says deals change. I think Literally vaded him That line is so awesome in the empire Empire is a cool film. I don't know if you guys have seen it Um, and one of the coins drops out which Oh Beautiful. Look at it the blood on it money the blood money money blood blood money That's how it works Congratulations marcus. This is what you want. Yep bought And the shimmer monster punches noxis bander out and they drag him off Marcus is still just there Yeah, which obviously like there's a lot happening at once here It's worth mentioning that marcus is incredibly fucking unhappy that grayson is dead I don't know that he would have cared that much if silco had killed everybody like that's not enforcers But uh, obviously this was the point is that He'll goes I would hesitate to say double crossed him he's he's changed Things but he's still on board with uh with marcus. They still have that relationship Marx is just like hyperventilating as this scene is playing out as well I think the fact that he's left standing there powerless by events outside of his control is very important to him going forward yes So that's um that's a scene Definitely changing up things and there's just so much that's not quite understood yet. Like why why is everyone getting killed? They do what's going on We've already got all this struggle between Piltover and the in the lanes and now we got silco fucking everything up What's happening another another one of them you pause and Oh look at that composition Yeah, as you can imagine vise unhappy So anyway, uh Trying to pick stuff but everything just got worse. That's what's going on for For that side of things Which we're gonna get to what it means. I suppose um, but for now in his ruin department victor and jace are working together with Bit tons of notes in a blackboard to figure out what it is about hextech or rather The the stuff he has already how can they control it? Make it useful in some way and they I think they utilize it Yeah, I think they believe they've cracked it But it's it's very different to have it cracked on paper than it is to have it cracked my rl and um I think uh, there's there's a line. I appreciate where victor implies they'll go and break in to take it and then jace is like Like what about you? Because like this is you know, I don't think jace feels like he has much to lose But victor's got his whole career Yeah, because victor is the assistant of heimerdinger. So he's uh, he's a pretty high position. I would say actually And then victor says your heimerdinger prediction Your hextech dream has the potential to help people and then he says our hextech tree Which is Using wow what a cock communist Yeah, he says it to the russian too Oh my god But no good shit good shit um I would say um This isn't really much of a point at all But I do really like the vibe of just jason victor working together on science stuff That could be a whole show and happily watch it Jason victor's adventures in science land Watching people watching just good characters work together on science stuff can be so rewarding I think I think it is uh It is emblemat when your characters are good you can kind of have them doing anything And as long as I understand who they are and what they want and it's all lining up I can be really interested in what there are Like what they're working on even if it's like them stuck in traffic You can have like a story that's interesting if the characters are well written enough That feels like uh, I'm gonna write that down Work on the stuck in traffic bottle It's the episode Good god. Thank goodness you wrote that down imagine forgetting the great idea of two people in traffic You can make it work. All right, I didn't say you couldn't Like we've been like two people walking down the street. I could make that work Freeing you I can tell you there's an episode about numbered based on that premise. Fuck. That's okay That's okay. I'll make mine with blackjack and everything that'll make More impressive and cool Sorry, what was I talking about Well Echo uh For the whole thing being that he's Benzo's lad gets by out of the room And no, it's not the full episode for him. It's just like the first half Okay, okay, all right Uh How's it that he followed where they took Vanda If anything it is is useful for the writer in that. Um, we already know that that's something he does And that means that they'll know where silco and vander are now and just expressions once again or Mr. Echo who has lost someone who I think he'll be safe to assume as a father figure Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's pretty much all he had a rough beginning um Yeah, obviously, it's just uh, it's real tough, but there's no time really to be doing the grieving go to go to get an action to help vander Um Oh, yeah, so now now we're at the point where silco and vander have a conversation that is super important To understand a lot of stuff And I think it opens so that the name of this episode is the base violence necessary for change and Think he says Yeah, because I think he says to vander thought of the scene Um, the base violence needs for change, but topside won't listen to anything else um And I probably take this opportunity to point out something about the way they filmed this show that I can't remember who it was that I was talking to But uh, this was the scene I was looking at when they said it and so now I've associated it with A scene that has evidence of such things, but the camera is far from flat It like There's loads of techniques being used such as Following particular people and changing the angles or uh, unfocusing and focusing Depending on what what the action is following um Quick camera movements ones that connect to other events and then just like a subtle shaking like all of these different efforts when It gives the impression that this wasn't you had a frame you drew and you had another frame This this was like everything was created and then the camera was uh Everything was thought about in terms of what we see a lot more than a lot of other sort of shows slash movies would do There's a lot of vision in it Yeah, there really is a ton of different techniques and the camera is never in a boring angle Everything is really well thought out in terms of this stuff Yeah, because the depth that's created through Uh doing what they've done, which I'm assuming wouldn't just come with Like it's something that you have to force with the work that they're doing So anyway, uh They have a talk I think van der says People are gonna die And why for pride and silco says for respect the way like His the tone with which he says that Like I don't know how to describe it, but it's almost like offended that he thinks it's as small as just pride. No, no, no, no We are we are not a respected Like division in this In this uh society Yeah, we are we are trodden on That's what's it's it's what's the issue here Like he seems insulted that he thought it was just pride Yeah, and and with how the dialogue often works in this show, it's it's Characters are actually listening to what they each other say and respond accordingly But van der says you had my respect But I think he says like So that wasn't enough for you the respect of like all the undercity, but that wasn't enough um Then he says we shared a vision for the entire underground united the nation of zorn Betrayed me and uh Then van der says I've never forgiven myself Which prompts him to talk about Um What it like means to silco, but this is what I was talking about earlier He says um, can you imagine what it's like as the river toxins mix in with your blood and eats through your nerves So I assume that's what's happened to his face Explains the eye and the scarring I suppose because uh A lot of people I saw questioning. They never explained silco's eye And I was just like I don't think it's that complicated. I think it's literally just it's infected And uh, he bleeds it every once in a while Yes, because of all the shit in the in the water they have down there. It's like toxic and everything so it gets In there. I don't think he's bleeding. He's injecting a small dose of shimmer into his eye Yeah Is it I thought he was yeah to let stuff out because it's goes down his face Now he has to shoot it with shimmer Otherwise he's wasting half of it. We see a visual representation of it and I believe episode Four or five and four. He does it and then there's a little bit of the stuff goes down his idea a little bit of purple Yeah, yeah, exactly Little bit of a look. All right. It's not goo. Okay. Just because it's liquid doesn't mean it's good You don't own all I'm just I'm protecting the goo from you. You're trying to take it Fringy is the goo fighters I'm not no, I'm just I'm just stating the fact that just because it's liquid doesn't mean it's goo You're trying to say that shimmer is goo. Yeah, I'm just saying it's not It's not that simple And then you got really mad for some reason I mean you would have wanted to have been defensive immediately because we said I was just saying We know who's actually mad. He's pretty clear. Yeah, he is paid by the goo lobby. Yep Yeah, you you stupid hoping and seething right now. Oh, yeah There is no code for seething here The only people seething are the people who said something incorrect and then got really upset when they got Hey, man, we could have easily just moved on saying goo, but you couldn't let it go my friend Look, it's not my fault that I think that accuracy is important. Okay. I just think we should be accurate and out Wait, what is what is the distinction between goo and and whatever it is? Um, yeah So I feel like the simple way to think about it is goo is a liquid But not all liquids are goo if you get it Sure, but why is no sorry I didn't help at all How does it not help? I'm just saying Okay, goo. Yes goo is a subset of liquid. What's the distinction? Um, I think I think when we talk about the properties of goo goo was a little bit, um I feel like firm isn't the right word to describe a liquid like it's it's uh It's denser Yes, I think I think that's probably probably the word I'd be looking for So inadequate viscosity, okay Essentially. Yeah, so I would say that shimmer has inadequate viscosity to meet the threshold of goo That's not shimmer Oh, wait, what we're talking about the the stuff that was going on Almost that goo I heard I thought it was partly shimmer coming out of his eye, you know, the which isn't The thing in well, I guess it's a comp it's it's composed of both shimmer and whatever's in his eye Well, it's just river toxins. I don't know that we should call that shimmer So no, no, no, I'm referring to he's shooting shimmer into his eye with that needle Yeah, and then the liquid I thought he it comes out of him though I thought he was bleeding it because it I'm assuming it's an infection that gets worse and worse until you like In the same way that you can do that with a tooth, you know What you think you bleed shimmer? Yeah, because I think that device doesn't have anything in it other than a needle to bleed Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the whole point of the device is that it does have shimmer in it because he goes All yeah whenever he gets injected like everybody does when they take shimmer I assume that's because he's really foopy stabbing himself No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's he's doing the shimmer flume. That's what he's doing He's doing the shimmer flume because I go purple whenever he injects it into there Yeah, and not to mention orange. Yeah. Yeah, not to mention like there will be a scene later on that makes it even more obvious That he's shooting shimmer and we'll get to it. We'll absolutely get to it But we're pretty sure he's shooting shimmer into his eye to basically keep his eye together from not going crazy Exactly. Yeah, it's not like he's just releasing liquid. He's injecting it into his eye In a small quantity. Yeah, my assumption was that he's got an infection It gets worse and worse until he like it builds up. And so he has to beat it. He injects shimmer No, no, no, he's injecting shimmer into Vicks's eye And then he has to keep doing that Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make a difference. But yeah Um, it does to the discussion that we're having about what's coming out. Nope Yeah, it does. No, no, it doesn't make a difference to the story No, I know it doesn't make any difference to the story, but we're talking about the uh, We're gonna be angry. No, that's what's exactly if we're gonna be absolutely But I'm just saying it doesn't change my view of the story at all Yeah, no, I wasn't trying to change your view of the story But you I was just correcting you. I didn't say you were why are you so defensive? You're okay. We're gonna be fine You have to keep standing that it has nothing to do with the show I'm stealing the goo. He's gonna steal your goof ring. Red goo. Nobody's gonna steal it. It's mine. It belongs to me There's some kind of molla cope. It's like what's happening See, look at that cope. Look at how it's happening. What is even happening? I don't know You're coping. I don't know but you get really upset about it It says the big goo associated like wow. Everything has to be goo with you Can we talk about the person who went to trungos? No, well, I don't have the photo if you have it I can't wait to see this timestamp the timestamps are gonna be like Freaky freaks out about goo Well, yeah, well someone said goo to me is what hextech is to jay. So I wouldn't describe it quite like that But it's an important part of my work among other things Pringies stabilize the goo Oh, it's goo important to witch doctors. I need goo tech stones plague doctors, but uh, yeah I know it's it's uh, it's not. I don't know if it's important to all plague doctors, but it's definitely Definitely something we're working on Yeah, yeah, but we don't need to talk about that. Um, so what scene are we up to? He was Super chair one of them says if you have an eye infection that's so bad you have to regularly bleed it Why not just remove the eye that dude's a zero on a 10 character? Uh arcane destroy there is I would say that's the major hole with his character, but yeah everything else Seems to work pretty good the hole in his eye major hole is that he puts Right so Uh, he says I was left with an understanding the only way to defeat an enemy is to become what they fear Which uh Yeah, quite a lesson that he believes in and it informs a lot of his decisions and What a what a way to live life to defeat someone just become what they fear Right and to stop that nothing Yeah Because we can finally realize our dream brother. He says kill me if you have to but spare the lanes Because you'll die for the cause but you won't fight for one Yeah, it's just an interesting thing to think about a lot of stuff. He says you just sort of sit there for a moment Like, huh? Yeah. Hmm. Oh He says i'm not that man anymore I think he says something like i'll show you who you are You'll die for a cause Yeah Hey So yeah, then they they reveal a big chair and they're gonna put vander in chair I don't know what that means yet, but it's scary No, cheese is horrifying if they strap you in them. I'm gonna try right now quick orange That's offensive to charlie. We're gonna make him watch book of boba fair Take take that back Looking through this bit again just after Silco stands up And walks away and the music kicks in I noticed something about the music that's um like A real deep pull from league of legends, but I can't really talk about it at least until the episode is over Hmm. All right Yeah Uh, what I appreciate is that as he's been dragged off The vika is in the background. So one just confirming she's working for silco fully, but also she doesn't look very happy I'm sure she's a bit conflicted about all of this But uh, she very she very rarely looks happy True Yeah, I there's a photo of someone having been to trung goes. Yes Oh, that's on point Um, yeah, someone went there not just somebody a fucking chad Mega chad. I'll be necessary. We went to trung go Mel catches victor and Jace trying to break into heimerdinger's fucking lab. I say break in they're using keys, but you have to do four Um, wait a minute. This isn't my bedroom Nice try victor Yeah, it's such a stupid line. I love it. Um But yeah, this is playing in from she has an interest in jace likely kept an eye on him and so she's To a degree already under her notice, I wouldn't say control just uh And they basically she says if you get one night you can make something happen That's the time And uh, she distracts a guard for him Like, hmm Mel seems to be kind of on their team uh And she says to the old man Another late night, so I assume that it's not uncommon for her to be here I think you might be fair for to be like why didn't security guards expect something They see each other here Um Which brings us to vie getting home And uh, obviously the it was interesting for me because like uh It's a very it's it's opened as a chill scene where they're all just doing the thing and then she walks in and I was like, oh Fuck yeah, of course, because she's just seen all of that shit from the the opening um How do you tell them about it? and um Obviously just wants to get them set up Let's talk about reactions again Look, I'm trying to resist. All right. It's just that they're that you're not trying You're a liar, but um, she comes in looking to like, you know be leader, bro and Uh, just get everyone moving and set up but powder hug zoo And that reminds her of the reality of the situation. Look at Russian gives Completely brok did by seeing powder Yep Good shit Oh, that's so good So they start setting up they've got actually like a little pack of things I think that involves the lockpick vandals uh gauntlets some other stuff. Um And while that's happening, they're like, all right, then uh powder starts packing up their um gadgets And I think Vi realizes and she's like not happening because This is like a real situation. This isn't one that we have the room to fail on which, um kind of In a dynamic sense puts powders belief that vi Felt strongly about her abilities That rest now it's like we'll know because when things are actually mattering The um, there's no you can't come because you're not ready The look on powders face when she says i'm you're not ready like She's just because all vi is ever done was build her up over and over and over again despite her mistakes And now this is the one time. She's like, okay, you know what you're not ready. Stay right the fuck here Yeah, that's pretty rough. Um, oh really now of all times you bring that up I just found it. I scrolled so far through the efat podcast chat um Yeah, because all i'm trying to do is get the uh the reaction up for for chat See because they don't they don't have the the clear view right now uh Yeah, I I guess i'm just trying to make clear how much this means and um It's uh, you can even tell from vi's reaction to powders reaction that she may have overstepped a little bit there Um, and she wants to try and make it comma, but the point is like she needs to know she cannot come because this could Fuck everything up. Um She's she makes mistakes. She's not ready. It's one to take that in but How it would have seen vi as her rock. So this is a lot for to consider um But yes, let me she just doesn't want powder in danger as well Absolutely. Yeah, this is this is way too serious and everyone could get hurt You know it to be fair. She probably wouldn't even want to have to use clagger Milo and even herself, but like it's just What's got to be done because they're the ones that can make the difference Uh, this is the trungo's picture everyone look Food in a glass Not only does person go to trungos apparently they also got one of the waitresses to join the discord server the efap discord server I don't know how that would have happened like hey So trungo's waitress. This is podcast I imagine that they mentioned it was why they were there right and you start talking about it I can't because you guys give an endorsement unimaginably awkward It did you guys endorse trungo's or what what is trungo's let's start there a restaurant. Yes, it's a restaurant. Oh, it's a restaurant in virginia That's incredibly popular because called trungos Yeah, that's a good name It has a stomach Like Well, yes, not a bit shit, but kind of I mean not for money. We just found out there was a restaurant called trungos and spent 20 minutes talking about it at the beginning of the last efap Okay Is there anything else you'd like to say about this image? Oh, it's fucking beautiful um, it's I mean trungo's wine list the food looks great. Um, it sounds like jade does not have anything else to say Uh, there's another little bit in the scene in terms of camara work I think it's when vias trying to describe what happened um She like lenses her fist and uh how to spots it I'm trying Oh, yeah Yeah Gosh so much fun finding ways around copyright. Am I right? That's great great Yeah, uh Like it almost seems to me that they're showing that how to knows what's going to happen. So she wants to help her but uh Precisely that that means she shouldn't come Oh Uh, yeah, she gets told to stay behind and they all set up to go and get vander Yep But she does give her a Blair I want to say what you call that thing. Yeah, like a smoke. That's a smoke flare. Yeah. Yeah And to light it up if anything should happen to her and vi will find her uh Meanwhile jace victor they're just working on a newer version of that same device we saw in the beginning Trying crack the gem thing x X foams, yeah I remember some of the dialogue I think yeah, uh Something about It tells you a little bit about the nature of how far each of them are willing to go. I think jay says, uh You know like we is this Is a chill and then victor says something like um, the resonance will stabilize it trust me And jace isn't like that convinced No, it doesn't you say like are you sure and then you get like a little uh reaction from victor where it just shakes his head Well, jace is looking like That's going he's you know, he's just Wicked Then we get a scene that is quite interesting to talk about I would thank you um All the kids are gone and powders on her own And there's something about the way they present her emotionally in this scene that gives off several impressions at once Just paying attention to how How they've done her expressions She's obviously sad that she's been left on her own and out of whatever this thing is Obviously sad. She basically has to acknowledge herself that she can't help But I think a big thing would be that by has confirmed a lot of what myla's been saying that she also said wasn't true Yeah I was gonna say alone panic attack mode Yeah, she's like super pissed super sad panicking Like she doesn't actually really know what to do with this situation that she's in And it kind of alludes to the fact that she's got some serious abandonment issues Yes um Yeah, I was incredibly impressed by this scene Because they deliberately avoid giving her a i'm just sad they present this as she's also losing her Uh self control like is The emotions are so heavy on her that she doesn't know how to express them Yeah, they're all just sort of coming out all at the same time And so then you end up with an incredibly well animated and performed scene where it's just like Very realistic crying Like for a for an animated show. It's probably the best crying scene I've ever seen Yeah, if you've ever seen a child just flip the fuck out and throw a tantrum. This is basically it right here I feel like I probably have had moments like that when I was much younger There's just stuff you don't you know that you're too young to fully understand as well Yeah um I feel like this is also really important in establishing a degree of um instability Hand yes before the big thing Yeah, um, it didn't come out of nowhere No, this this felt very suitable. Um Especially considering these these these dels have been going on since before we started following these characters Like we get the thing like every time Powder is around we fuck something up. So that happened multiple times where Milo is shit talking her and Putting doubts in her mind. So it's it's very clearly established relationship between these characters of this dynamic already existing mm-hmm one of the things Yeah, and she hits her own head with a fist as well Another sign that's just like she's having a lot of fucking trouble here, but Drops a box of things The gems come out rock things And she realizes that with the way that they react when she drops them That it matches the explosion And so as she figures with enough force on them that they she can recreate that explosion and uh help The the kids say vanda one could say that the thoughts going through her head right now is i'm not weak and i'm gonna show them you'll see Specifically she says i can help. I think yeah very motivated by the fact that not only are they unaware of how good she is Um, but that she's going to save them. It's gonna be great. Yep She's she was in a moment of panic about not being able to do anything and then all of a sudden she knows what to do Right Yeah, it it crystallizes. I think because he's free falling, but then it all comes together. That's it. But he was there That instability is also accentuated by the really discordant strings. They have going in the background. Yes the whole thing. Yeah Uh, check out this more than just a typical child's tantrum Check out this uh scene transfer by the way I will Fuck's sake. I thought it was quicker it pours hang on And I remember this one. Yeah boom Like they're not even close to the same objects, but man that lines up, doesn't it? Yeah Also, uh, jay, would you like me to exit you even though we're very close to a certain event? Yes Well, that's the thing i'm now functionally tired enough that I feel I would have Nothing really to contribute to talking about that event Very unfortunate and feels bad, but i'm not gonna stick around being dead weight For any longer So I'm gonna hop out here Been fun Very well. Thank you so much for joining us and I hope you sleep well slash do whatever you end up doing Excellently it will be sleeping immediately Wait Good boy boy Then they were Six Yeah Yeah, they the the jason the the vicar are like oh my god. I'm a dinger could could I I can't remember if this is the scene where that starts to happen, but yeah I think they activated to the point where it blows out a window, right? No, yeah, oh schnizzle and a bunch of people notice it. So it's like now you're on a timer because People know what you're up to or at least that you're up to um Which takes us to the scene where vanda is discovered by the kids And it's kind of a fun The best version it's not even lampshading. It's just the best version of doing this sort of thing He's like how'd you get in? She's like it was easy. There was just like an open window And then he goes you have to get out of here and she like realizes what that means I love that it's visible on her face the moment. She says it which is so good Oh, that was just an open window. Oh Yeah, because at first I think it'd be fair to be like wow nice stronghold bro But maybe this is gonna go easier than we'd hoped maybe we can you know get out of this unscathed Not really thinking about it from that perspective um Yeah, um, and then silco just with Introducing himself makes it clear what the idea here is he was hoping to draw them in And he's going to kill them all and tell the undercity that Vanda ran away with his kids and for sake Basically just gave up on the city That's the plan Which I really wish people would keep in mind when deciding that silco isn't a villain Very fucking strange conclusion to reach Um, wait, is that is that a popular thing? Dude jay put out a tweet like I guess you call it appreciating silco And some people responded with like he didn't really do anything wrong if you consider a lot of what it is That is like a fucking you talking about And jay gets some interesting responses from people on twitter Then again, yeah, maybe I should say well, it's twitter as well Yeah Um Yeah, I'm gonna kill four children in this guy Yeah Man, he's so he's not a villain. He's fine. Yeah He has a he has a drug empire. I mean he's like Directly or indirectly responsible for lots of violence. Like that's a that's an interesting theory. I guess pretty weird I got it. This is the realization expression by the way. It's just You don't even need the dialogue is like, oh, yeah Because she cuts herself off to Like she was just telling us that we just found an open window and Then just trails off and eyes wide. Mm-hmm Um, doesn't vendor also mentioned that there's like lots of guards here and then she says Legitimately confused as to how they would have gotten in this is like because he wants them in Uh So, yeah, that's that's apparently basically silco's plan, but then it's like, all right, then uh in response to that Vi Tells Milo to get vander out of the chair clagger to look for an alternative exit and she's gonna take on the thugs Um I think as she's starting up. I really like the uh the lockpick like fails and he drops it And then vander's just like milo. You can do this. It's just like The stress because if you don't I saw this seen as you have to get vander out of that chair He's the only one that's gonna be able to save you guys. Yeah Um, but obviously if you stress milo, he's never gonna be able to break him out So it's just like a nice moment and I think it encourages the idea beyond Like I think it's easy to interpret it as vander is the father of powder and by And then clagger and milo are there. It's just it's nice to see more Sort of fatherly moments between him and those two as well Mm-hmm So, yeah, uh vi puts on those gauntlets and tries to take on the thugs Which I suppose is going to be something we should probably get out of the way first talking about the viability of that They gave her a decently better chance than she would have in other situations with the placing of a bridge there, which is Yes, it's clearly like what is in favor of it versus what is against it It's like the easy one for against it is that she is very young She is a girl and she's against a team of male thugs that all looks psychopathic as well as strong And there's a lot of them Yes, but what's in her favor? I mean to be fair, she trains a lot, right? I mean being young isn't completely a disadvantage So there's advantages to being young and she has a weapon and she kind of gets her ass kicked Those ones I I think they do a pretty decent job all things considered. Um Yes, people notice the viability. I thought that was Yeah Also the the first big thug Completely underestimated her. She's just going like look who the little girl and then that's the thing man I look at this fight this one for example. He goes for a simple lunge He deflects it off Which again is just like Yeah, then what and she just delivers the hardest uppercut she can with a coated fist of like it's iron into his jaw like That's gonna do significant fucking damage Yeah, yeah You're not exactly coming back from that. His feet even left the ground look at the blood So a big thing that actually helped to give her a chance in the fight, which was yeah because they let her block bladed weapons Which is used well weapons in general really which she uses time and time again in yes throughout the choreography Um also visually I fucking love it It's a strong keyframe. That's for damn sure The the action is just fantastic. It's really mesmerizing When I like that they show silco is shocked as hell by that What the hell like oh, all right then Shocked by silco standards. Yes. Yeah because Okay, like you just knocked out the biggest guy I had And yeah a lot of her strikes are her taking advantage of They're like uh, they called like counter repost. I think is essentially the the format Like she's getting them in weak spots because she dodges their attack initially Um, which obviously the training robot thing she's been using Is very specifically like a lot of it is about dodging incredibly fast attacks So yeah, you just have to acknowledge she's been training for stuff like this for way longer than any of them who are more than likely not Training they're probably just thug people who are like It's a situation of skill Outplaying like just sheer strength. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's important that we can we can understand what the power levels are here That's probably the most important part for the show actually This is a story like like where cheap overswings like quite a lot Which is just the weight of the gauntlet's following through Like I remember one of the thugs takes him out with like a huge like punch to the face and even in the next Like uh shot the momentum is still carrying through and she's like I think she stumbles off to the side a little bit almost even Well tension's rising you got one of the He's got four main restrictions for van der one of them is broken off and clager finds An opportunity to create an exit And then the second one is broken off and powders almost here. So Like with vi being quite successful in the fight so far There's definitely a like We're doing okay. We're doing we're doing all right here actually hands here And now I want to show off One of my favorite small pieces of animation. I've already Gone over this with some friends before because I'm just so fucking impressed by it but uh Let's hope copyright doesn't sting me decent chunk So again compliments to the fights, but just just play it out So fucking amazing. What was it this? Yeah Fucking phenomenal work. So look at where do I begin for complimenting this like I remember when I first saw it I was like fuck me that was fantastic so um the dodging the knife was Theo just mentioned on the bridge that it means that she should be able to take these on one by one Which is a problem in a lot of uh, like plot armory situations for shows where They'll have you surrounded but for some reason everyone attacks you one by one It's like oh, I know the reasons because they wouldn't survive if they didn't do that Um, this is a bridge. I love the focus she has in dodging that knife But it costs her a punch to the face because the second person comes in How dynamic of a little sequence there, but Then for her to Yeah for her to retaliate with a wide swing and a scream like Because she's just been punched. So she's getting to desperation. She's not doing fantastically here um And then obviously just the sounds how fluid everything is the expressions just like it's this sequence is tiny, but it's fantastic And uh, yeah vise just trying her dandest um You can also see in between that her arms go like down So he's almost like a little break because the gauntlets are so heavy Yeah, you can see her muscles really relax after being punched for a second and then they're back up Yeah, but then straight back up like damn good shit Um, and I think having her portrayed this way in fights where she's desperately trying to win Makes you a lot more sympathetic to Routing for her and believing It's hard one versus her being really strong That every frame of painting video on jackie chan fight scenes one of the things that's so engaging about them is that He's not trying to present himself as totally flawless and indestructible Like he gets hurt Seeing people get hurt and we're talking with daredevil before seeing people get hurt in a fight I think it's just us so much to ground them. It's like, oh, this is Like they're not like some super duper awesome special like they're just they're trying their hardest And they make mistakes and they don't Yeah, they're just trying their hardest. It just goes a long way um To help them ground the character If you don't have to airbrush her knife away either No If you want there to be suspense, you have to be able to conceive of them losing the fight or if they're being alternative outcomes I mean, if they're just I mean if it's just dr. Manhattan walking into a fight, there's not going to be any I mean, you know, it's well the outcome is presupposed And like that that that is what happens a lot of the time in action movies Yeah, I mean people are going to say marvel but not just marvel lots of action movies You just kind of know what's going to happen. So it's not interesting one of the things Go go for it. Okay. Another thing action films do a lot is they fail to do justice to the fact that there's any sort of force behind attacks Like when someone gets punched they like don't really respond or they'll they'll like flinch a tiny bit But then it's right back to what they were doing or as you look at fights in things like this or well I guess better action stuff and When a person takes a hit sure they will like recover from it But it'll be a process of a few steps back like the attack does carry through and cause some semblance of physical damage They'll end up scuffed and they'll get hurt And it really sells that there is actually attempts to harm one another going on in the fight One of the best jokes and smiling friends is when uh When charlie punches are that I can't remember his name the boy Yeah, I have him and totally knocks the wind out of him So funny because it's like yeah getting punched in the gut like that hurts What I was going to say before as well as one I feel like one of the reasons why diehard is such a great film And why everybody likes it so much is john is not invincible. He gets hurt. He gets his ass handed to him He is like constantly on the back foot always having to fight his way up getting because like in Uh in that film it's like I I feel like the the clearest example in my mom was when they shot the glass and in order to escape He had to run across the broken glass Betty people want you to know that they was jeremy. I like how many people Yeah, I look You do it again, I'm gonna punch you My favorite thing about jeremy was the eye expression change when he starts to look after the little devil person I almost want to bring it up because I just love it. He's frowning hardcore at uh I might have forgot his name charlie when he's leaving the second. He's out of like frame He just immediately has the sympathy eyes. He's like, oh man Smiling friends is another good example of little touches. I remember one of my I keep saying one of my favorite jokes. There's so many. It's the one where um The boss is telling him to not go like he's like wait one more thing Whatever you do. Don't go beyond the rickety bridge. And then he's like, why? Look, he disappears. He's like because you get lost And then he like sort of slides past him to get through the door He like does a little shuffle past him to get inside. It's just you didn't need to do that, but you did it's great Jeremy punching charlie back is a great payoff. He has funny as a bug That's a lot of good great setups and payoffs in uh Smiling friends Anyway back to arcane. That's a nice. We didn't take him to a different show that wasn't cringe being bob effect So you've not even mentioned it. Damn it. Okay Okay Yeah, uh some of the Like I think savika is like, I'll do it and then uh silk goes like no, no, no Just give it to uh decad Dimmer him out and it seems like I don't know how long decad has been taking the potion at this point I'm guessing it's still but like he's already um Addicted already addicted Yeah, it looks like at all all it takes is once because I think so We've only seen this ever happen once all it takes is once your body's lethargic and everything like that The addiction in his eyes when he looks right into it. He's like, oh, give me give me give me And the shit is like not good for you because do you remember? No Vanda and uh silk. Oh we're having their conversation. There's a shot of him just like vomiting purple doubled over Right. Yeah, you're right And uh, they just want to get back to being what it is when you have it. Um Also check out this Uh By gets knocked down by this dude Um, hang on I'm sorry. I'm here. Please help metal I cannot look at this fucking kidney punch Boom Really getting punched in the kidney with these gloves, dude Yeah, you're fucking that thing is just blown up. I mean she gets these important strikes in and you're just like, oh That's gotta hurt Yeah, but she also toppled over immediately again So she's she's really fatigued and yeah She's things ain't like Uh Yeah, I I think a lot of effort goes into the fight scenes beyond just she fights them and wins It's like no, it looks like they've really planned out The moves at least there's some more degree than we usually get Um, yeah, they don't have idiots just swinging clearly over her head So they don't hit the actress or nothing like that. It's just Yeah, well, you don't have to worry about animation people can get hurt because they're not they're drawings and During these fights people saying that's more of a liver shot is like. Oh, yeah fair. Um, it's so satisfying But she's visibly exhausted by the end of it Dude, I fucking love the expression where she's like really after all that I gotta fight the Hulk It is Moments in the the hallway fight scene and in the first season of Daredevil was when he and another guy Just take five seconds to catch their breath and then start fighting again That happens here later Yeah, it's just it's really good. Uh, it's a really good touch I think that happens in the old boy Fight as well. Yeah, the old boy. Yeah, I gotta watch that Yeah, the old boy There's a couple moments like that. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say this reminded me of I'm not gonna watch the uh, the the american one Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the uh, the Korean one just checking there is no american one. Don't yeah. Yeah, let's just let's pretend You know what? Oh, okay, gotcha. I really like she raises her fists anyway. She's ready for this fight and Evander sees that and it's the most panicked we ever see him Yeah, like He's he's not ready for her to fight that thing Um, and for good reason I very much appreciated that she didn't even really have a scrap with it Uh He goes in for a heavy strike And by the way Another wonderful pause screen. Look at that Good knows how to use slow motion Yeah and I Grypa a lot of things for being really bad at using slow motion I really appreciate how this show uses slow motion The most common use that I'm aware of is it allows us to stick with a moment that is quick for a little longer Which is for this her anger and his indifference like Like it's not even really engaged, but she's like this is the biggest shot I'll ever take Um This is the bastard that chilled Benzo so clearly she's pissed at this thing And comes There's a contention here a lot of people bring up. Um, so I'll see what you guys think of it She's incredibly lucky. He didn't kill her here Um, yeah Yeah No other comment. Yeah I feel like that seems right. I think well Even even a yeah, I guess it's a tribe. It's an interesting thing how quickly Grayson got annihilated um Yeah Killed Benzo in a single strike with people I think it's totally fair the only counter I've seen and I give it like a It's like Is that he would likely want to get some level of revenge on her for being beaten by a before beyond just killing it Yeah, maybe Maybe yeah, that's I give that the little hands handshake. I'm like Just like That's kind of true. I had forgotten about that issue and I and it's clear that they're still in there to some small capacity It's not like oh, they're just a big ol zambo now, you know It's um, I'm sorry. It's 50 50 for me. I I accept that that's a possibility and I suppose that eases the plot armor, but I feel I don't know Um, but anybody claiming he wouldn't want to take any form of longer revenge. I don't think you can claim that I don't know that you can claim that it would just be that you would cite that the last time that we saw what he could do If he annihilated two people pretty much instantly One here Yeah, yeah, you you have that on one side on the other side. It's like he has a personal grudge with her surely and you're like Uh Yes I suppose Yeah, I guess at the very least we have that as an element Yeah, I think it's worth bringing up. Um, I just don't think it quite it doesn't feel very satisfying And it's the first instance of Okay bit lucky I feel like it would be worse if he just straight up said you were sure that goes It's just frustrating to me because this one's in everything It is an arcane tries to not have that happen a lot of the time. I'm gonna throw you instead of Snap your deck Many times it's in It would be super irritated if he did it twice like throw once throw again Because like a lot of bad guys will do that throw over and over again. He only did it once So it's like, okay. All right. All right You don't really like that vise right after crawls into the cell and closes the door because you maybe realize he's out Outclassed heavily. I like that don't know how much for fan I am of like Silco Buddy, they've got a really strong defense built into that room that you haven't done anything to stop Uh At they simply because that door is incredibly difficult for the souped up hull command to get through so imagine like If the if the scene was they didn't even intend to fight. She just closes it and locks it up That's a lot of time they have to freevander And I just don't know why silco would have like I can accept that that room has that security in it It's just the silco. Did you not think about that like? I don't know. Well, yeah letting them get into because I was about to say it would make sense to me that You have a door to lock someone in but why would you let them in that area in the first place? I'll tell you know It looked like it It's completely locked from the inside like there's like a handle and everything I feel like if that's a cell shouldn't that be on the outside then If it's specifically used for a cell Oh, this place is I don't know that this place is meant as as a cell. It's got a chair in it. I don't know if it's an Yeah, that's why I'm specifying. I'm not sure if it's specifically designed to be a cell Yeah, it seems to be like an interrogation room of some kind I'll hand it. I'm fine with the room having a lockdown scenario like system equipped, but I don't know why silco would have let it like that's an obvious Like I'd be like you might not want to have them grab him in that room because they can just close that door and lock it up And that gives them a lot of time Yeah, especially if you plan for them to be here and that's assuming Generously that silco does not know there is a thin wall in that room that leads to exit I hope he doesn't know it else would be kind of a It would be cool like really quick and added detail You know how we were just talking about how he throws vi And doesn't kill her right away It'd be kind of interesting if they pan over to silco just really quickly giving him like the what the fuck look like Why didn't you kill her right away? That'd be kind of cool. Just a quick little glimpse back of that could have helped That could have helped the plot armor just a little bit extra So is it vandals weak dekka can wipe them out and silco believes they don't have anywhere to go So it so he's just so he just like he knows the lock the door and then you'll just have to break in that's like part of the plan It's like that doesn't seem right does it? I think I think we should get some visual reaction to The thing walking so that they so the virus time to get in and start shutting the door like he goes do the fuck go Well, yeah, like it like almost vacantly Looks at silco and then silk is like what are you doing? Like obviously stop them from closing the door sort of thing still it's just um It's a regular wall not a thin one. What I mean is it's a wall between an open space and an open space I know that doesn't necessarily mean it's thin, but I mean claga breaks through it I don't think it's as strong as walls can get um And it's just like again. I'm willing to believe that silco was unaware of that Um, but obviously it'll be way worse if he was aware of it It's not plot armor. Uh seems like armor to me The thing is uh, it gets a little bit counteracted soon enough Uh, we got the final jason victor scene they activate and control the magic to the point where they're just floating Happily and hymer ding it Just breaks in around about the time they do it and says no No, no, no, no naughty This will not stand. This is not what science is meant for or something like that But then mel is still there He says that's for the council to decide which knowing she already has pull with them I think like bringing you and I were already talking about this at this point, right? We were like he's gonna get overruled and I we started talking about Where that plot line might even end up a more extreme sense um Yep, but yes magic or as he corrects mel to say hex tech has been born Interposing of the mage rise as they're like getting it to work was really cool as a visual Yeah, because well jace is reaching his desperation This is like the flashpoint of everything he has to get this to work And it represents like everything since that moment with rise. So It's a good way to just incorporate it as well um Think sudden, sorry jace suddenly understands calling it magic is a bad idea if only he knew that before I genuinely think he calls this hell it hex tech It's you it's a combination of magic and science called hex tech Right But he's he's giving it a name his discovery. He's giving it a name, but he understands He's still wielding magic. Absolutely. Yeah, this is a council to know that This is still regarding magic. That's why heimendinger says it's a magical hex tech or whatever He's like it's gonna be under the council's approval or not It's not magic. I am levitating at the top of the room right now Um Well, mel just strode's in all confidently. She's all like, yeah Council's gonna decide this shit's good and she already knows that it's going to be because she's got so much pull already Which well, it's it's actually it's it's less that she has pull and it's more So I think that she understands the motivations of the people in the council like there's a there's a um She understands the sort of selfish motivations that the basically everybody except heimendinger And like there's money to be made right? I mean, that's basically what happens is there's uh You know, anyway, we don't need to get it involved. Yeah, we can go I'll come up later, but um So he should have drawn that distinction earlier. So there isn't necessarily that distinction doesn't help him in the council It's still magic. So saying this is hex tech not magic would be a lie Yeah, yeah Like saying it's it's it's a pizza It's a pizza not cheese Right. Yeah, this this isn't ruby. Okay. This is magic Um ruby fans will appreciate that I think so We're we're here get it. We're at the park. It is time. Oh shit boy I don't know how to go about it. I guess we'll just start with uh, how it starts How it pops in I think two stones in the back of the little device with one getting blasted by spikes on a um On the on the symbols The idea being it it keeps hitting it over and over and over until I guess it reaches critical This scene is quite tense If you're immersed because we keep flashing between everyone doing different things like clag are getting further and further through the wall um The the lockpick is struggling to get that last lock off the door slowly coming apart as he's punching it Just uh, you just the the thing at this point is that you don't exactly know how everything's gonna work out Who's gonna die? Who's gonna live? How is it gonna turn out? But I think I've said this to um So many people as I've talked about this scene. I I had a thing in my head where I was like Please don't do the thing Where he's about to kill them all and then the bomb goes off and saves him and then we have drama later about how Yes, you did save all of our lives But like you shouldn't have tried that or something It's like it just feels like the more generic option and I would complain in terms of um I would have been unhappy that the bomb would have affected the big creature so much But not really anyone else and I remember thinking of myself if anything it should be the reverse This scene is fan-fucking-tastic The monster man Deckard, he sees the creature Wimbledon wambul and he's just fascinated by it for a moment Which I think anybody would be like the fuck who sent this Like what's this? Am I hallucinating? What is this? What what was in that shimmer? The bad badge just before the last clap of the symbols it stops Yeah, obviously this one this one's complicated tips of just I guess I should just keep going Um, and and we'll stick I'll try and do the summary you guys can just do commentary So the already how to it's got like a hands on your head and then it doesn't go off and she's like what? And the scene starts to calm down the final lock is released the entrance is opened And like all the characters are smiling Like they've got it And they realize like this thing's working out and then there's one last tick And it hits the thing and explodes now Ah, where do you even begin with how much you want to praise this fucking shit, man? You follow this explosion a few different ways into different directions I imagine that they had stretched out in front of them the I think it's five Or four or five whatever, but they were like, how do we order these? And it reminds me of how they did in squid game. You know how they ordered the The payoffs of each of the dice games They ordered like the first one is the one that's going to be lowest stakes and then the last one will be Likely the highest regards the main character and then you sort of try to judge how you should Throw it, but The first one is powder He gets knocked into what um, I already assumed at the time was she's got water to fall into And they play it off as quite peaceful and she's even really happy to see like the colors and stuff And so I think so very happy that her bomb finally worked her first bomb worked Well, she she thinks this is like the culmination of her like life basically it's like I You know, I did it. I saved the day, right? You know Well, yeah, and I I I think for a second you can be lulled into a sense of like wait Like like how what do we do and it's more so because we're we're a little bit in her pov which is Excellent you did it But I think as a reasonable audience might be like what um, what did it do to the rest of the people though? Like because that was big enough to blow her off the edge and she was relatively far away And they do this thing Show you the explosions like effects one by one They keep rewinding time and doing it again and it's really fucking cool because the second one regards the bad guys Meaningfully that we show it did knock Deckard off the door It also spread really far across the the catwalk Into silco, but uh savika tackles him out of the way Very quickly you see it vaporizer arm Yeah Nicely done Well, and so, uh, I think it was jay that I was watching it with Um, it wasn't that explosion It was the one where it cycles all the way to singed Uh, that's where jay went. Oh, no because It's like if it got that far or at least it's effects. It's like Why haven't they shown us the ones that they have oof Um, but yeah But yeah, um, this scene is like it knows what you're gonna be thinking about and so it shows it Yeah, that that shot's fantastic Mm-hmm Look at it. It's gorgeous. And so I think for a moment, you're just like wait a minute. What about them? And uh, here we go. Yeah. Yeah, what about them? Oh this explosion Uh, it shows that the door gets blasted off its hinges. I think and one of the The stones gets blown through the wall like through the the door Um and hitting the door it sparks into loads of pieces which means like that's incredibly fucking dangerous if you could just consider what what's going on here um And yeah, both by and van der are getting uh Hit by pieces of debris trying to Worry about copyright here, but uh A good testament to how fast it itself is man in the blink of an eye. Yeah it slams into the ceiling Uh, which causes a lot of things to happen. I think I can do this with next frames Yes, but uh clagga He's hit by something and it happens so quickly, but you see his goggles fly away with blood on him Yeah, I just get winged immediately. Yeah, he gets just blasted by door shrapnel Yeah, right in the face. That's a thick door and it just got popped into pieces And then Milo and it will The glider what I remember just being like, oh Because I was like Um, but yeah a pole just gets thrown into what I guess I can't quite tell exactly, but it looks like it could be near Milo's heart. I'm not sure. Yeah Milo's reaction to this he's so in shock everything happens so quickly that it looks like that that hasn't even set in yet That that probably really fucking hurts otherwise Does that one moment of horror Exactly and then before anything can set in Well, and clagga's not even moving. Um, yeah, he looks at clagga is the thing I wanted to like get to is He's like he has just this briefest moment to look at clagga and you can see it on his face He's like, oh god, is he dead? Oh fuck. Oh geez and before you can really acknowledge that the roof falls on both of them Yep, and then back to powder Yeah, and the music like It almost feels like the show is just telling you it's like this is what was gonna happen That's just how it works Yeah powder's still here. We did it patrick. We saved the city um How quick and violent it is with the Clagga and Milo I really appreciate that Yeah, it's absolutely rough. Yeah, they don't get any last words or nothing. There's just bam dead bam dead Yeah, these two children, uh, one of them just gets winged by debris and killed immediately The other's impaled by a metal pipe and then has just enough time to see that his friend is dead before they ever Was crushed by folding debris like Jesus christ One last use of the explosion to show that since the um initial thing Marcus hasn't even gone back to pilt over yet. He's just hitting staring at his bloodied coin And then he sees the explosion because he wouldn't have been far away Um, and that's a big explosion. Oh, yeah Which there were three of those stones involved Look at that thing fucking hell uh But obviously I think that's gonna have been boosted by it like caught shimmer on fire Or it did seem to react with the shimmer stuff for singed Uh Yeah, it's such a like what the as a as a viewer. He's like i'm not used to this like yeah The good guy's just lost big time Because decad isn't even down for the count. Nope. Deccan's kind of okay to be honest Yeah, let's try my stuff Okay, pretty rough incredible The music in this next bit is fantastic as well. Yeah, unfortunately, I can't really do anything but say it's great Yeah, yeah, there's nothing for it. But uh, yeah, it's just a tragedy the soundtrack basically Yeah, my eyes were about to fall out of my head seeing Milo's dead arm right there on the floor and like they fucking killed him I like that kid. He's fucking dead. They wanted you to know those two are dead Yeah, they really were like, yeah, no, we did that. They're not coming back And Yeah, there's there's a few of those shots that are really good But um silco just commands fucking kill them. Jesus Christ. Not even like I don't know what the fuck that was just killed them Like what the hell? The three thugs are on the way vanda spots that like he's the only one that can do anything about this So it does himself a spider-man Brassely lifts that debris off We have what is a pretty awesome moment here Just you know, you're pretty immersed on the fact that everyone's fucking dying But a guy goes in there to like, I don't fuck you up and just get booed right back out Um And yeah band has been pretty chill up to this point But two of his what you could call sons were just killed um So you could argue he's probably a little bit unhappy Mm-hmm Actually might play the audio on this but like he just Easily beats the two thugs Then he's got to take on hulkman and uh It's a pretty neat like counter sort of All the arm around and then the the sound he makes When he wants to do his punch, holy shit, uh Well, I'll just play it for the audience. Let's just say the passions are raised I'll fucking vlc you're useless. Oh, yeah, it lags the audio so I'm gonna figure out how I'm gonna do this You frustrate me copyright gods, you know what this will be after I'll do it I can't hear anything in the audio that there you go, okay That Fucking angry Yeah And um, I suppose it's worth highlighting that when he's doing that Like this could represent like silco could be in trouble if you lose them, but silco doesn't seem Silco's almost like There he is Like the the one that would have fought for zone. That's the expression. I think that he's giving off um But yeah, uh, Vanda's already exhausted and gets headbutt pretty hard by uh, mr. Hulkman Um and picked up and dropped But it seems like Vanda ain't giving up, uh, oh well, I guess we'll come back to that in a second, but um Yeah, Vy's slowly trying to I guess make your way up and she's just staring at Milo's arm like And then dams got just psyched of the monkey head Mm-hmm. I actually thought the giant door is right on top of her. She can't get out of there I actually thought when they showed that the monkey head was there that that would be the way that she eventually finds out What happened, but no, that's not how she finds out. It's just It's yeah, it just feels like this one element among all this death that reminds you of what's just happened Because it is just a heap of like rubble and the unmoving Like bodies of the two of them. It's really really unpleasant and she's trapped under this fucking door With a broken arm from the looks of things and the fires rising as well Yeah There's a lot of very human reactions in the show that I kind of appreciate of You're a person a child no less who is who's just like has the entire world Explode around you. You're trapped under a door your arms broken. You can't move or get free Two of your brothers essentially have just died. So yeah, you're just lying there sobbing. There's not much else There's not much else for it Radric is hell It gets worse It gets worse. Whoa. Vanda picks himself up And he like seems to be wrapping himself up for round two But silco stabs him in the back theming Yeah, and Look at this face He's not happy Yeah, he was a little bit angry just a little bit And he like flashes to that opening scene for the episode Um When it shows us the uh the second half of that opening Which is that silco grabbed vanda's knife while he was strangling him Slash that is risked area Yes And did enough damage that vanda was more concerned about probably stopping the bleeding than going after him and They connect that to him stabbing him again the present This shot as well Look at this photograph like yeah pretty much the whole show grab uh And yeah vanda eventually loses his uh drive Silco just pushes him off the edge Before saying I knew you had it in you Mm-hmm Yeah, because that was vanda fighting uh specifically here though. He's fighting for his daughter Not necessarily for zon but the fight is still there Um and silco says get the girl Vanda over he is that as he's surrounded by uh Dimmer vials Which I've seen people say is conveniently dropped on it. What do you guys think? Isn't this where they're producing a whole bunch of it? Yeah, yeah Uh, I guess the thing to consider is it didn't go up in flames like a lot of it And that I mean it's not like it's all Everywhere. Yeah, yeah, it's not crates all across the ground Explosion ignition is not omnidirectional I guess like not everything's going to catch fire Why would silco have these things in the warehouse? Why are they producing it? Oh, well we can that's a That's partially what this whole story is built on is the production of shimmer Well, I mean that'll become evident as we go along I guess but Vanda takes it and Silco's minion takes the door off I imprept to probably kill her Vanda grabs him and there's no fight. He just crushes him like his head up to the ceiling or something It's not quite clear because that's probably going to be the kind of violence slamming him into the doorway Just crushes his head Yeah, and even silco looks shocked seeing it happen, but yeah just It doesn't seem to have a much stronger reaction to shimmer than the other subjects before him Vanda's looking a little uh a little wolf-like Yeah, um if you the wolf among us that toto game uh when big b is like Kind of going super crazy. He kind of looks like that and he's the big bad wolf Oh, I thought you were going to make a warwick example or something. I don't know I was kind of confused on where you were going with that He is clearly a contact Yeah, fringy. Why didn't you use that as an example? Um Yeah, bye season and she's scared And then he like has this moment of what looks to me like he's ready to fight something else Spots her and then like has a bit of a freak out in his own head Yeah, like because of all your motivations are probably Flippely flabbly when when having taken that shit or rather, I guess he was you know, vanda himself is just ready to fucking brawl I I'm My interpretation is that the shimmer is like just stoking the rage to the point that there is actually a decision to be made there Because of course vanda would be unbelievably mad and the shimmer would probably only make that worse Yeah, um, he has his chance. He can kill silco Or because the building is falling apart and there's fire everywhere. He can get vi out of that situation He makes the right choice Yes, he does Goes through right to the end And yeah, particularly intense that whole scene, especially with the soundtrack can't do it. Just is just talking about it. Um but My god, it was impressive. They cut back to where marcus was and he's gone Um, and then they show us this scene again but that was Vanda's last act From what we can tell there's uh, look after powder or I think even um His head hitting the floor they make like a sound That it that would if you hit like a puddle because of all the blood Yeah, mm-hmm Yeah, and uh the colors fade as well. He's not the not purple veins anymore. They're just dark rip vanda, um At the very least for the season. I really like them Super cool character Yeah So when you mix shimmer and blood is it viscous enough to be considered goo? That's oh no, we can table that for now. We're about to talk about one of the best scenes in the show I I almost feel bad trying to begin talking about it because I'll just be like What do you I wish we could just watch this whole scene like from start to finish and just not say a fucking thing How great would that be? But unfortunately there are people who decide to watch master chef in its entirety. So now They're allowed to watch one seeded fall and then talk about it Uh-huh. Um, I think what I would say is that I this was the scene where I basically felt oh This is um, this is gonna be a good show Like I think it was uh, it was it was the point where my confidence in the show Rows dramatically and the main reason why I felt that way is it's like dude This was ballsy the decisions you made here that the kid does the little explosion to save the day But it actually makes everything much much much worse And then we're going to meaningfully deal with the consequences of that decision Which is that vi is very very angry Very very very angry And in that fit of rage, she just expresses basically like a roar Like what the fuck have you done you idiot? Like you've destroyed everything. Milo is right. You're a jinx Because how do you know everything? Yeah, and and I mean the fact that vi punches powder as well when I saw that I'm like, holy shit Like oh my god looking hit her. She hit a kid It's um, yeah this kid that she's been building up for so long and then he hits she hits her in the space sister Yeah, touched her Well screaming at her as tears are rolling down her eyes and she's covered in blood and dust and dirt Um and having a complete breakdown because of the gravity of this situation And and you know like as I guess just skipping ahead like by 10 seconds or something But it's yeah, go for it. Go go go for gush about some facial animations quickly. Wow I mean, let me just sort of say that's what happens. I guess I mean, it's fine for anybody to see it obviously But so because I actually there are people who have not seen it who have been finding this conversation interesting I have no idea what that would be like to listen to people talk about a show from start to finish without watching it at all It must be strange. Um, but hopefully it's working out We we've just reached what you could call the aftermath vi is getting up Everyone's fucking dead And then powder just pokes herself out in the gap between her and the wall again just the cinematography is like Because as an audience member you're like no and I don't I can't deal with this, but it's not arbitrary She's here to celebrate Her device worked She wants to tell vi about how excited she is that it finally worked And that combined with seeing the monkey head is confirmation He's the one that did this wasn't even silco Yeah, the way she asks powder like you did this and then Like just this look of pure like what the fuck did you just do and then it quickly registers on powder's face Like it registers before vi even says anything. That's what's so impressive to me In the shot with powder like just after she finishes talking her expression immediately falls because she can see oh, this isn't right Why shouldn't she happy something's what's something's going wrong Then vi says you did this and powder like there's a nervous glance to the side And then she looks past vi down to vanda's body and her eyes widen like a tiny little bit It's so fucking good, dude And then of course she glances off to the side and Claggers goggles and uh We go from there Yeah It might be the best scene in the whole show for expressions They clearly work their asses off on this one because of how important this scene is Um Yeah, this is like as pivotal as it gets the the all of the build-ups are paying off right here And I got to say like when I was watching this episode I found like I didn't even realize the stupid position that I was in watching the show I was basically hunched over my desk with my fist against my mouth and my eyes Why just like leaned over staring at my fucking monitor my friend pokes into the room to ask what I want for dinner And I must have looked like such an idiot So Um And yeah, uh vi just again having to deal with all of this like like how do you What do you do with this? The the amount of emotion you have to feel and how impossibly hard it is to control And yeah, the first thing I think she says is just like I told you to stay away like That's What what else can you draw from this scenario other than had you not come here? This wouldn't have happened and I told you not to like It's way too much for someone of powders age to be able to understand Uh comes back to the cause of it. Yeah, we did you leave me? Well, we'll probably get into this a bit more later, but The the the show actually psychologically is a lot more realistic than I think people probably think it is Um, there are consequences to this shit shit like this happens to a kid Uh, it leaves an impression right and like, um I mean this is in particular. I I'm assuming that for most people This is probably like most people's favorite scene or the most impactful scene for a lot of people Uh, I have it not any one of my favorite is top three for me I have not I have not sat there like physically wide eyed staring at a screen because of a piece of media much, but I mean this scene is This scene is good enough that I mean it survives any comparison. I could compare it to kubrick or I mean literally anything. It's just amazing. It's one of the best scenes I've ever seen in in film period um and and like, uh Powder is my favorite character in the show. I find it would be incredibly relatable And I don't know if you if you guys feel the same way, but it's partially just because she Legitimately is a fuck up like I I don't know. I just feel so fucking So bad for her in this situation because It's not as though. Um, I mean she did things that are wrong But she was sincerely trying to do the right thing and there is a perspective from which you could Think that she might have saved the day, right? Um, but obviously that is not that is it is not how things went There are multiple factors at play at once. Um, she has made a big mistake That has had significant consequences, but she is also a child she's also not Totally sound in terms of her opinion of herself or just her You know mental health And she also exists in a really shitty world Um that hasn't been very kind to her Um It's a lot of things mounting at once but but the big thing is like ultimately what she has done here is is bad Yeah, and there's not like Oh god, there's not really any way out of out of that, you know, like there's not really any way to Avoid that part of it that something bad has happened and she is going to have to find a way to deal with it Um, but in this particular situation, it's just incredibly stressful Yep Everyone on the show has lost credibility for failing to acknowledge many disastrous flaws in this episode Damn, do you remember the super chat you got a while back about someone being salty? They were banned because of bad arcane opinions This this is that person I mean like okay, maybe maybe you could point out some things that are wrong, right? But in any piece of media, there's a there's a balance of like How high of a high does it hit what what emotions is it able to evoke in the audience? What is it able to make you think about how is it able to develop characters? It's like, okay, maybe you can point out some problems Okay, but the fucking highest this episode is hitting like what the fuck if you're not acknowledged it like I don't know dude Yeah, this is this is it Okay If someone was trying to make an argument that like fucking season eight episode six of game of thrones is good I'm just I'm just not having it Most things okay, but but no this is this is kind of the same for me It's like if you if you're not willing to acknowledge the merit of this episode Okay, you don't like it fair enough, right? Sometimes people don't like things But if you fucking watch this episode and you don't understand why other people like it I don't know something there's something not connecting, right? I just how would you make that argument? I just can you conceive? Hang on Did someone on e-fab really just say there may be problems, but it's so emotional So someone you've got to understand from having watched us and I don't know why this has to be repeated over and over again Plot armor has it been acknowledged? Yes. Is it a problem? Yes So the scene's broken No, we've got loads of other threads. We have to talk about every thread Not just whether or not there's plot armor, but it's not the only thread It isn't as simple as there is an aspect that is flawed in some way. Therefore fucked We've never been advocates that if you can find one problem in a scene the scene's done. That's not how it works And this scene has an incredibly large amount of things happening right now We're much the same way that when we're talking about how stuff is working There are degrees to which a scene works Something can be good and something can be great and something can be like amazing Depending on the variables that play how well it's executed like it's not a simp. It's not a binary here Yeah, because and bad what causes an event finally final fuck. So this is a good example actually everybody pretty much everybody Absolutely adores the payoff that vader chooses his son over the emperor But then if someone says yeah, but the fucking job of the hut scene at the beginning man. It made no sense Okay Like sure, that's true, but that's a different thread I'm talking about what these characters have said and done and how that relates is through lines there plot armor doesn't actually Get in the way of a character's thoughts feelings and actions as far as I'm concerned. It's a separate track It's a track that's important Well, it's it's it's the idea that plot Plot doesn't necessarily like a problem with a plot a plot problem doesn't necessarily Uh result in a character problem. Yes depends. We talked about that with suicide squad There's a lot of suicide squad is a great example, but they don't affect the character motivations very much at all, but they can Endgame The plot problems steep into the decisions that the characters make about what they're going to do and how they're going to do it like It's it's uh, it's not The way in which problems affect other aspects of a show is complicated That's the whole point of the discussion, right? Like you have the discussion to try and figure these things out Well, a lot of the time it's like Someone will have a scene they like a writer will have a scene they want and they will take take a path to get there that's like profoundly against the previously established characters or requiring like a An absurd coincidence or something like that. I mean the deal like what are the plot holes here? It's like Basically if if Deckard hadn't grabbed by the neck we would be fine like Okay, I like we can all acknowledge right like okay. Vi could have died there and and didn't But I I don't see that action scene as as being plot armor tier at least not one compared to other action scenes I mean, I mean for the most part getting your ass kicked make splits really inconsequential that I'm happy to call i'm happy to call it consequential I just want to split it and be like so that event is not very well constructed compared to the others that are very well Constructed adjacent to it the fix I would suggest is that he barges her when she's in mid-air Uh, add a little bit of speed to it as well So that she can expect it and she gets flung across and then realizes there's no fucking way i'm beating this guy I get it's really impactful to have her grabbed in mid-air and I get why they chose to do it The problem is that I don't think the audience has enough reason to think he wouldn't have killed her there and then Um, however, that's I don't understand what what you know Mandalorian is shot at and every single fucking shot out of like a hundred hit his armor It's like that's one instance every time However, could that happen in the show and the show will still be considered pretty great by me. It's like actually yes Uh, of course The thing is Mando and batwoman all these other things they don't have anything happening for character If anything that's assassinating somebody or giving the kind of characterization that's like I don't like droids I kind of like droids now Yeah, incredibly thin Incredibly thin compared to what we've been doing here Where we've been deliberately building up over the course of three episodes and we'll continue to pay off for the next six episodes a thread about or just a specific character con like inner conflict they Path a journey that's being set up The flaws all feeding into their actions and and then the consequences and how they feed into it even further It's just impressive character writing. I mean, yeah, you can cite plot armor What does the plot armor have to do with specifically the decisions that the characters are making? Yeah, the character writing the situation as it arises Character writing is still present and to be praised or criticized irrelevant of the plot armor But then they're all under the umbrella of writing storytelling if you will Uh Unfortunately, Theo's already mentioned this. This is something that many Figure writers just don't really care about even the ones that I love don't really care about plot armor a lot of time They just let it go Um So we'll highlight it But we cannot ignore all of the praise where the elements of the writing here as well We can have both. I don't see we're gonna stannis baratheon this shit A good deed doesn't wash out the bad nor the bad the good Hmm Now I wouldn't call it a perfect episode, right? But it's it's doing some amazing stuff And like like the the fact that you know, if I got grabbed by the neck and didn't die I don't know. We're reaching some incredible highs in terms of character writing here Yeah, it feels a little desperate to me because a lot of the time when you try and bring a show down to like One to three tier we've gone over like Thousand floors meanwhile with this show we've highlighted. I want to say what five to ten compared to How long it's taken us to praise everything that we've found to praise Um continuity is pretty good right now as far as I'm concerned for the show Oh, yeah, I don't think I've ever Sat down and given a serious analysis to something and not found any flaws So like if you're setting the barrier of like, oh, well, it's dog. Shit if I can find an error Well, then everything is docked. Well, literally everything would be dog shit Well, there's something to be said though as well about like floor It could be that there's a scene where you think you might have been able to do it in a different way that could have yielded better results Like it's it's hard not to think about any story where you can think about Minor tweaks that can just be changes like it. I don't know what it means for something to be perfect as a story, you know Um, it always feels like there's a discussion to be had about the choices that you didn't make or things that could have been tweaked or made more expeditious or could have been expanded It's um, I I'm not interested in like perfection though when we're talking about Uh, storytelling. I'm interested in seeing like the highs that you can hit and how well you can uh, avoid the trappings A lot of other stories can fall into I mean in this case, it's just really bold storytelling pay it like executed very well Agreed We are at the point of watching a child have a mental breakdown because they've killed many people they love Yeah, yep. That's rough disappointed her sister her hero Yeah, and uh, I mean it's worse than her being ineffective He is very effective in the complete opposite direction is her nightmare. I would argue Yeah, yeah her first successful bomb killed her friends I would be surprised I would be surprised if I could find 10 scenes in the history of film that affected me as much as this Like maybe but I I don't I don't think so Yeah, it doesn't get much better than that. It's pretty fucking good Yeah, and she's just she's repeat a few times I told you to stay away and then she keeps saying by please and what's happening here as far as I'm concerned is How to need someone right now because she knows what she's done Mm-hmm needs help. Um, but this is no time to be asking Vi for emotional support I'm not gonna get it here by herself It's currently you're so much right now exactly Even though like It care for powder is still in there like the look of horror on Vi's face as she looks at powders blood on her hand after Like that is no leads onto it and then she compares that to her bloodied knuckles. Yeah every piece Brain dear I say I have something to say. This is the finally. We've done it everyone. We've reached something that I can do that with Um, yeah punches her down shocked scared and then the desperation You why did you leave me if you had had me with you the whole time This wouldn't have happened. Why did you leave me like? It's like we're drawing it back further and further the fault Is with you for having decided to come here. No the faults with you for having not let me come with you I wouldn't have done this if you'd let me come with you When it's just like getting a bit more to a base problem here, aren't we? Yeah, yeah, there's an there's an erect There's like an irreconcilable conflict that exists like present within the souls of the characters and it's like if it didn't play out like this it would have played out some other way but it it's kind of like A lot of times when you look at really good writing you can see like the The seeds of what's going to come in the future absolutely present early on Um, and I think this is one of those cases like you can see lesser versions of this playing out beforehand Um, and it just I don't know it all fits together perfectly I think uh when we talk about really powerful moments and stories a lot of the time it is the door has been closed There is no going back. There was only the path forward There is no return to the normal that we established at the beginning There is no going back like this is a pivotal This we are we are progressing from this point onward The decision cannot be undone the consequences can't be undone. We have to grapple with them. There's a change We're moving forward with that change um It's important I mean, I mean she just basically killed her family like one and their family that's the thing Yeah, and knowing that there are going to be many episodes going forward the immediate thought is well There's so many places we can go from here with this having been established What's in their future something that just hits hard is the she's still Absolutely tumbling when she's on the floor And we're like trying to sort of acknowledge that understand what she's saying and before you can even she's Fucking joe is grabbed by vibe. She's like Jesus. Like yeah Yuri is Even like after the bit I mentioned with you know, looking the blood in her hand when she looks back to powder like Just look at her Yeah Fuming and look she's answering her. Why did you leave me because you're a jinx? You're gonna fuck everything up and you did and it's like oh shit, man You've just confirmed your greatest insecurities At a point where she's the most vulnerable jinx. Milo was right It it it's also like Like I said quite realistic. I mean like children who were orphaned In particular struggle with feelings of abandonment and inadequacy There's like two of the main things that you would expect So like it's not even that it's just this is her character It's like if we had no idea of her character, we only knew her circumstances. It would imply this Like Remarkably well written Um, I just got this kind of uh, I guess in a way mirrors the earlier a little bit when uh, Vanda had silcoed by the throat. Yeah, it's a it's a parallel everyone likes to highlight at this point So it would be wrong of us not to um That'll become more important. I think when we learn more about relationship between two people in particular, um I But yeah, lots of stuff's being done and then this The anger has all come out powders barely even able to say particular words and then blood starts coming out of her nose from the punch Yeah, which gets on vi's hand Just flooding with tears as well, which is enough to make it realize But like you can't at all blame vi for having this reaction How could you not and it's just like yeah, but she's so young. It's like powder just kill everyone Vi's pretty young too, you know When um, I would guess vi's about 13 or 14 and powders like maybe nine Something like that. Yeah, um, it was It's kind of weird because I think I spotted a few people in the chat say that like it was Contrary to violets character to strike powder because like oh she loved her Loved her sister and everything like that, but it's like come the fuck on powder just killed all of her friends Not to mention vi, you know based on like, you know the subtleties and how she was dealing with milo constantly saying that You know powder was bad luck as much as she would like, you know Shut milo up. There was also just the part where she wasn't exactly disagreeing with him either But you know, she just she would just shrug it off because she would just keep trying to Boost powder up with enough patience powder will overcome it. So it's not like oh She completely disagreed with milo or anything like that. She just was shielding powder and just not, you know Saying like yeah, you need to work on being better luck. You're a prouder, but you know so it all just kind of bubbled over when it was When it's what got her friends killed and that was just It was it was insanely good You know just subtle acting and how that turned out So someone said this isn't luke skywalker. This is a reasonable lapse of judgment This is what we needed to justify what you wanted to do to luke skywalker. You have to work incredibly hard You have to create a scenario because if you just said vi is going to violently intentionally punch powder in the fucking face I'd be like, yeah, okay Uh, I hope you don't fucking have that happen But when you have all of these events, you're like, right. Yeah Um people making complaints along the line of you know, it's how her character do that I'd like to see you keep it together when your younger sibling comes to you and says Comes to you responsible for killing your entire adopted family essentially Like it's like being it imagine being in a house and like The house gets hit with like three bullets and your family dies and you walk outside and see your sister I mean like that's basically what just happened Um, what a visual and this is the thing You know, like could you make a scenario that leads to what we saw in tlj and it's like I think we've said historically. It's like it's gonna be really fucking hard to get to that point They'd be radically possible. Yeah There's a lot to say he had a bad dream No, you have to give us the context for that. Otherwise you may as well just show a different character I don't see what the point is of trying to call that guy luke Clearly jake Here we go. Hurting a child is out of character for vi regardless of the reason Vi is a fucking hot head Just shut the fuck up Vi is a hot head And I'm sorry the effort they put in so this reaction particularly this to me is two Very specific emotional states fight in each other at once I'm incredibly angry. I can't be here because I'm hurting someone I love Yeah, so just walks away Not too far away, possibly one of the most mature things possible removes herself from the situation because she's out of control Yeah That's not like that's just not what powder needs right now I think you're about to highlight the same thing that I spotted When I watched it with rags here. Yeah Yeah, should we let them see it first? Sure, but on screen this one moment here That's what I'll get the right loop so that we can but uh, yeah Rags the latest person. I watched it with so it's like one of the last playthroughs I was just staring at it. It was like, how the fuck did I miss this so many times? It's quite quick. There it is And you think of what we're gonna highlight You see this No, but I could see why you might Uh, I think that's probably why I might have missed it because the focus switches to the goggles Oh, it's it's it's powdered cowers. How do you think she's gonna be hit again? Oh, yeah, she thinks she's gonna get hit again. Yeah, I remember that That's um She's begging for her to help her And she still believes though that she could get hit at any moment. You've traumatized the child at that point yes Excellent fucking work because that is so easily missed Just in the background blurred out while the focus is on the goggles Also, I do believe that those goggles are on violets character in league of legends. Oh, they are Yeah Good shit Being excellent shit, um Yeah, she walks off and sits down Uh in like a tunneled area and I think it's just a matter of vias trying to calm down Because she's got a responsibility and that is the powder which by the way The last thing vanda told her Yeah, how fucking hard is it to keep all of that in your head alongside the person who killed them all? Look at that God damn Begging her to come back Stop with her age nobody But a saint could deal with that This thing I don't think vii needs to be that young to justify that response. You could be Yeah, I was gonna say exactly he has been established as an impulsive hothead and vander's been the one to keep her, you know in check He's dead now Yeah, I uh, it's also kind of funny that I was gonna say quickly about blood armor. You don't have to be that age But you have to consider it because it's a part of the character at this point. Oh, absolutely. Yeah It's it's somewhat amusing me people are complaining about plot armor in an episode. We're like Basically the the most conceivably bad things that could happen all happen I know it's like half the cast just died And we're talking about plot armor because another one didn't die in the process She's beat half to shit right now basically contemplating either whether to beat the shit out of her sister or go Sit next to a building and wait to die. We're talking about plot armor I mean, I'm more I like I tell people I can acknowledge it, but it's not the only thing happening So what do you want us to do keep talking about plot armor? Like I don't understand Been talked about it's done Yeah, uh, I believe like Oh, no, sorry. I was just gonna say so powder Okay, no, sorry. So, uh, yeah powder, um Is like really This is basically her last scene And it's done a stellar job. Apparently a mias and claire who played powder was 10 years old at the time of filming No, why? Yeah, that's I saw it on a uh in a little interview. He did this at age 10 Absolutely You fucking kill it's what I thought it was an adult that did a voice because I was so convinced that it's like That kind of performance out of a child you keep on voice acting Well, yeah Yeah, keep well you got a pretty damn good start there Next opportunity I got I was gonna just make a note quickly of how the voice actors were absolutely killing it 10 Yeah um Especially this moment I've got on loop where yeah begging for violet to come back and the screams for violet are like Disjointed at some certain points like she's an unstable bag, but at the same time a desperation that Don't want any of this to happen and then a fear of violet. It's so hard to deliver that in a performance But I think she does it Yeah, she does really good and like there's her bane in many issues coming back again She's just freaking the fuck out. She just does not know what to do The last thing she wants right now is by to walk away Yeah Then Just from this it's coming in exactly where we just saw powder come in silko That's silko silko which Again, I don't think this is arbitrary. Of course. He would have wanted to see Where vanda blew out the back of the the building But why not just see what happened Is he dead? Yeah, he's dead which uh All right. Well, we got to talk about more because this is More things Silko finds her and He's still pretty fucking furious and he has plenty of reasons to be considering who he is and what's just happened He sees powder just crying her eyes out and he like readies his uh dagger Because of course, it's just like yeah fucking kill one of vanda's daughters The former event Absolutely not even just that but it'll it'll hurt vanda because I don't even know that he's looked at the Acknowledged vanda's corpse yet. Um But uh violet starts to spot it Again, look at that fucking imagery. Oh my good ol gag of god Know what they're doing. Yeah, so despite being absolutely fucking Furious with her enough to hit her she still clearly loves her because she's about to run straight back to that And stop silko again. It's a matter of she removed herself from the situation because she's in danger of hurting powder More she needs time to calm back down. We're talking probably minutes. She would go get her In range of as you can see her Marcus is however in the area as we know And he sees this as an opportunity to save a life So which isn't hard to well because he's running into certain death here Yeah, and I'm not gonna need to cite like future episodes to justify this The character clearly feels intense guilt regarding the people who have died with his deal Marcus he's a he's a complicated one that one and he specifically says you go over there. They'll kill you So he's as far as he's concerned. He's saving her Yeah, someone in chat just said for his own credit. I'm not sure so he's not getting any credit for this He's not getting anything for this As we know from episode four and five he's not getting credit for this This is a mark Marcus makes this decision because he believes he's saving someone's life When she could just be another trencher who's killed in amongst all of this Yeah If anything it's a problem for him, yeah, but Marcus Is already now complicated Or just a giant penis Yeah, he was nothing but a penis up until now and now he's like he's actually trying to save a life just out of Just repentance for the shit that he's caused unfortunately All power is gonna know is by left didn't come back Never get back He gets the credit of capturing the terrorist who bomped over her name and record is scrubbed. I don't think he uses her that way Yeah, he just gets thrown into What's a place called water or something still water and still water and everyone thinks she's dead Caitlyn specifically says that there's no record of a crime. Yeah What just somebody commented chat With sherry goddow That's okay. Let's move on Uh I love this image as well. It's to me it was The bad guys are like, oh that was rough. We need to like You know, and they're trying to recover even the big dudes holding savika. It's just like that's a huge Hang on. Hang on. That's a huge plot hole that you didn't get tried for their crime She's in prison for seven or nine years. Whatever the time frame is. What do you mean didn't get tried for the crime? She's not even known to be the one that did it Mm-hmm, but she's in prison for six months only several years the only person alive who could like six months What? Oh, she's I think it was six months six seven years, isn't it? Was it six? Okay. I remember exactly. I don't remember exactly the number I'm pretty sure it'll come up. Well, I'd argue she needs to be in prison the whole time Otherwise she would have gotten into powder Yeah, that's the entire point Um Yeah, I don't know it to me it was just like the the bad guys are also Looking their woods like fuck that was a nightmare. Like it's not just for the good guys Like the whole thing was a fucking mess, but uh, yeah Now they're all pretty curious Silco hides the knife I think isn't he like he's he's a little bit dissed to the face just like what's wrong little girl Where's your sister? Yeah, it's your sister Because I don't have a sister, right Yeah, she says she left me. She is not my sister anymore. That's all after the interesting thing Yeah, she fucking tackles him like she just has to hug somebody right now and she hug Do you need more of an overt example of her abandonment issues? She's literally hugging on to the next person she sees Yeah The very next person that spoke to her Yeah And all the bad guys are literally like what is happening? What is going on here because of course and I really bizarre Just it's a bizarre scenario because they know that like the plan was to kill this girl What is happening? She's jumping onto you like what? And even silco he's more shocked than ever shocked Yeah, and I I love the expression on him as he's basically piecing this together He looks up and sees vander's corpse nearby and then looks back to powder And then like the words that she says she's not my sister anymore really kind of resonates with him Oh completely. Yeah He as he looks back down to her like oh my god Vander fucking left me and now if I left her Oh, shit. We're kind of similar in that regard, but rather than resorting to saying Oh, we're the same you and I or anything like that He brings his arms around her very reluctantly expression And then hugs her back and says it's okay. We'll show them. We'll show them all Oh, yeah, he connects to her immediately and they even do a thing of like he raises arm I don't know if anybody thought for a second he was going to do anything other than put it on her I was I was just like oh, yeah, but I guess it's still It's a it's a big decision for him Personally to be making that he's going to take it is a very very powerful show don't tell thing People in chat earlier were they took issue with uh, uh powder saying that vi wasn't her sister that quickly Kind of interesting. I don't have any issue with that considering the scenario. Yeah It's it's a very deeply disturbed went through like The world's most fucked up event And she really does believe She really does believe that vi has just left like she's done and she's gone Um, and yet if you keep in mind it may not have been this enormously sort of philosophically Beated out position she holds in this moment, but it certainly is going to be if vi doesn't turn up within the next day week Yeah Obviously you can still reach powder Uh, potentially this is just all we're being shown here is that one One possibility as a result of these things has happened Um, and it's such a shock like all of it's such a shock because you're just like I don't remember stories Doing this. I haven't and you you sort of realized because I think I said this to free after um having more to do with another friend I'm just like it's making me lament storytelling This is one of many cool things that we can do when I say many fucking trillions upon trillions. Okay, like Stories have the potential to do all kinds of stuff that can make us talk about this for days on end We end up instead. Look at all the disney tv shows that have come out fucking hell I'm trying to think like wander vision the best moment in that whole show was that one thing that vision said to wander in a flashback. It was like grief is love persevering or something like that He has to talk about that for about five minutes. Like yeah, it's pretty cool Good line and it follows from what they've been through and vision's understanding of humanity. I guess it's like anything else A few bits and pieces here and there jokes An idea that looked kind of cool And that's like the best one Fucking falcon the wind soldier is a nightmare. Loki just destroys everything Um And then like a dare I even mention book of boba fat, which is not a story at all I'm being told to make you play the fade out of the episode because the way it. Oh, we're not there It's out. It's like silko's eye Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're getting a good good bit of imagery. But yeah, we're getting there logical Um First of all, look at that menacing silko face when after he puts his arm both arms around her Like it's such a It's you and me against the fucking world Yeah And it's the softest we've ever actually seen him before Like you're not thinking like oh, there's some fucking Yeah, the the uh the eye had a little bit of foreshadowing there. Mm-hmm Um, and yeah, that's the last shot of powder arguable Yeah Um, yeah, the the the way this show fades out. I'll try and I guess we'll just Play it until it gets to that point The shield up. I know this this stream is going to take a while for me to get uploaded again We are going to be hit at least three different things But I want to save the visuals is so much to show Unlike a lot of the things we've covered Necessarily like a lot of the praise we've had comes from the way things are shown to be because and remember how we were talking about how the starting tune is like really jarring in In its tone and everything like that This is the complete opposite. I would say that this song that plays goodbye It's it they nailed it and they let it and then they let it go right into credits And then it just doesn't stop or anything like that and I really got to praise the show for not going for a like a a standard Mandated ending theme, you know because then it could have easily just been one that would just ruin the whole It would ruin the tone here, and I think full metal alchemist had this problem And I think everybody would could remember like it was the um it was the It was the the infamous scene the I'm having trouble with it, but What what happened was it was the uh the kamara scene. That's why the kamara scene everybody talking about The kamara scene happens it ends on an extremely like sad note and everything like that and all of a sudden It kicks in the j-pop. Yeah Jesus christ It was so jarring like that sometimes. Yeah, it'll happen without but then here's arcane not ruining the moment at all Without spoiling anything Only enough theo and fringy both haven't experienced a particular episode of buffy the way that it's supposed to be Or was intended to be because I cut the intro out. It is so horrible Um It might be the worst example. It's worse than arcane as far as I'm concerned It is so fucking rude to play that intro after what's happened I can only imagine how unbelievable that shit would be. I think rude is the right word Well, yeah Having the knowledge that even the creator didn't want it there, but legally you got it So he tried to like work it in. I'm just like can you please? Like change the goddamn track if anything Because our show gets really dark as it progresses, but it keeps its goofy fucking intro throughout the whole thing Apparently people like it. I don't know why they're lying. So anyway Um Now let me propose something radical here. We're almost at seven hours We've got super chats to deal with and we're only at episode three, which I think I was true I think it dovetails nicely to have the first three episodes package Um And some people saying like so there's gonna be three episodes like I think we may be able to get through all sticks In a second part. Maybe I don't know. I I would say so. I would say so It was just there was so much build up to this point and it just blew up, you know I mean, I That seven hours went quick for me. I thoroughly enjoyed talking about this show because I really do like it. Yes. Absolutely Uh, I have like three words for this just quickly league of legends The league of legends animated series I keep reminding myself and others of that because I find it so fucking funny You know what? I feel like there may be at least one or two people in chat who'd be like Wait, so you're not going to talk about the rest like I might just watch the show now We've given you in-depth hardcore coverage of the I guess it's it's not a spoiler to say That's the end of this era the show skips forward now by The seven years did everyone You move seven years forward, which uh It's like the reverse tlj tlj skips or rather the sequel trilogy they skipped over all of the events we needed to see to understand The future ones the show basically gives you all of the things you needed to see so that they can skip seven years And you can draw on like you know, what would have filled those gaps for the most part? Uh, that's how it works. So can I Can I bring something up quickly because I remember there was something I wanted to Well, I guess I should ask first. Is it okay to talk about warwick? Uh, I think now. Yeah, because it's we're in speck you you've got the ending for that's the end of vander's story as we know him Speculation involves the assumption. Yeah, go ahead There's a thing I need to go and find uh, it was Just after vander and silco's conversation. I noticed this the most recent time I watched through the show and like I'm fairly confident in this one now. Um Just after vander and silco's conversation when silco's walking away and vander's being uh Wrapped towards the chair. There is a specific musical cue. Um, have you played against warwick since he got reworked? Well, even if I have I'm not gonna have absorbed Yeah, okay Bloodhunt mechanic works though, right the thing where you like senses when you're low on hp and stuff. Oh, yeah Yeah, I kind of I kind of remember that. Yeah, I'm sorry. You're gonna have to explain it for other people anyway, so Yeah, okay, so warwick warwick's a big werewolf man He has a mechanic where he can sense characters that are low on health and he will like Move speed towards and stuff, but that's unimportant The important part is that while a character is low health and warwick is sensing them They get this foreboding music playing Uh in their game for as long as that persists That music batch uh matches up almost beat for beat with the music of playing when vander's being dragged off towards the chair Well, which is that's a Well, is there speculation that vander is warwick, but it's I would argue it's all but confirmed Yeah, uh, there's in-game dialogue that Uh warwick has that you would only assume vander would have Um, it's non-specific enough to leave it up in the air but one thing I didn't mention in his intro scene which uh I think theo was the one that actually let me know because I didn't even realize when I first watched it But when he sits down and everyone makes it clear that they would defend him in a fight The girl he's talking to says oh, so you're vander the hound of the underground Did um did anybody Play league of legends back in the day and read the league of legends the lore before the lore rework I did What was your impression of it? Uh, I thought it was a really interesting setup, but I sympathize with the writers and why they changed it If you know what I mean I was sad to see the old lore set up go because it was pretty unique And I've never seen anything really like it and I liked that it grounded the game within the lore Yeah, I I I read some of it. I thought it was pretty bad and like a lot of the character stories were Yeah, like I like if you want to if you want to try not to cringe compilation go read shaco's initial lore and if you don't cringe I don't you're lying But like I I'm just imagining going back in time And like I'm sitting there like reading the league wikipedia like reading the lore And then like myself from the future shows up and it's like hey By the way, one of the best tv shows you'll ever see is based on these characters I would have bet against it a million to one literally a million to one. It's like no no no Yeah, no, you're being you're being you're being ridiculous. You're that's that's that's silly There's no way That character writing was nowhere near as developed back then but I again, yeah, it's like it was the basic premise of the setting that I liked because I thought that was fairly interesting Uh in terms of characters they have got much better I want to chat said it has been confirmed. I don't want to speak on that anymore because I have no idea Is it is just true or is it still it has not been explicitly confirmed? That is not true It is all but confirmed, but it has not been confirmed that music I was talking about by the way Warwick's bloodhunt music played in the tiny mini teas that they put out for season two So I think he's coming. There's another clue with the show that he might be coming I would argue Uh Yeah, so I think it makes the most sense to Do some more soup and well the only thing I'll say is that uh, we'll we'll a lot of you be free next week to do part two I Oh wait metal isn't yeah I I won't be coming birthday stuff It was fortunate if you Metal has done that whole force episode talking about the whole show. That's true. Nobody thinks about the rest of it true um Yeah, well because we'll probably that'll that'll be the plan now Yeah, don't don't don't wait on me. It's it's it's all good. I will do my best Okay, uh Well, because this thing if if everyone can't make it I'll move it to a different time. I suppose but how how what about you? Theo and dooma Oh, yeah, I mean, I don't I don't have a life. So whatever. Okay I cannot presently think of a reason. I wouldn't be able to make it. I'll let you know, but it's probably yes and I will say we took this long and rags wasn't actually here so Imagine like like next time. What he is here. I would be like, well, I think it's almost like trading metal for rags I suppose Maybe I'll be here for round three I wouldn't if we completed episode six at seven hours. I would be like, yeah, okay, we'll split it to three Well The nice split as well at the end of six. So, you know, they did that on purpose. I think um one two three So, uh, yes, someone someone in chat said it's not that bad Do you want me to read chick as initial lore just the first sentence? Oh boy. First sentence. Let's go. I want to I want to hear it all right They say that death isn't funny. It isn't unless you're shaco. He's valorans first fully functional homicidal comic He jests until someone dies and then he laughs Oh, man It's great. Wow. What a character. He jests until someone Dies and then he laughs. He jests until someone dies and then he laughs. I could keep reading but it doesn't get better Whatever you do, don't tell him you missed the punchline Oh Ew Terrible Yeah It's this now it's now it's this show. What the fuck How I don't get it I just Yeah, so, um, obviously This is gonna be where we move into super chance So if if if any of you need to do life things or run off to the the caves of guest a year or whatever, uh, you're welcome to right now if if you need Tell you what let me get a drink. I'll be right back boogie Boogie. Yeah, I'll be out here for like five. I'll be back Boogie Or are you gonna say mel? I'm just I'm just I'm just chilling. All right. Here we go. I'm not even gonna play a game this time because Very chill right now Wow feels weird man. I don't I wouldn't have called that seven hours have passed, but I guess they did Same here actually Um, I'm clearly engaged in this show quite a bit good Means my brain is running Doing a little sprint I'm pleased how much there is to talk about Yeah, uh To the point where uh, I don't even remember what hours drink a kibbit on uh, it was somewhere in there Um Anyway, the first one says molly a gay nice beautiful, so Is are we absolutely sure that Aussies can cook bacon? Yes I feel like Fringy's gonna be the authority on this one. So if you want to counter him, you're gonna have to go with some evidence Wow appeal to authority. What a cuck Fringy's a good authority. He's a plague doctor and he's australian Like two whole things Uh, I've been looking forward to this I've seen a lot of people talking about how much they've wanted us to cover this for a long time Hopefully it was everything you wanted us to be obviously it's only the first three episodes, but hey Works as a package Disney was brave to make the book of boob and feet All right Feel like it's the antithesis of brave Isn't it funny that we would have considered it a really safe choice to make that show and it ended up being like absolute garbage Yeah, because we assumed like yeah, you'll just kill people. Yeah, it's it's worse than Mando as far as I'm concerned I think that's I think that's fair. I just like my view of boba is so fucked. I was I was telling Fringy about this Um, there's a reference from that season that I want to use for something else And so I wrote like a note down I described the quote to myself from Mando season I think I wrote Mando season and then I was like, no, no, it's oh, yeah Yeah, I remember I wrote a tweet where I I wrote um, don't tell more or I wasn't working on Mando It's and then I caught myself while I was right. I'm like, wait a minute. No, it's boba And that's it's insane because I was like, well, uh, it's it's a Mando quote I want but but in his episode Yes, boba's episodes because like I was thinking in retrospect like well, I'd be confused by that It's a man and I'm like, no, I think I'll understand It's so fucking strange that they did this It's never gonna be not impressive to me how insane the degradation of Star Wars has been like I've never seen a show a series managed or like a franchise. I guess managed to like Kill itself so hard so many times Very pleasing to watch Um Lord long bong of mubesling to nappy. Have you given any more to a kung-fu of peter jackson's long kong? It'd be hilarious historic movie fap and I'll show where Wait, and it'll show where movies made with so much love can go good and bad. Oh, that sounds like a new thing. They've added There you go. Yeah, I'm sure there'd be lots for us to talk about Kung-Fap, but I'm also 31 now, so I could have just forgotten the other part Mm-hmm Um Gilver sonna deleted his channel yesterday. He used to upload video game music primarily from nintendo to youtube But got a whole bunch of copyright blocks seemingly from nintendo. We will miss you gilver sonna You're outstanding since 2010 I'll never forget you Um, I hear there's a there's a wave coming in against Anime youtubers as well. Um, I'm not sure how about that one through that is or not But I know that nintendo was it was like 2010 nintendo did a whole thing Uh, I think it was about 2013 2014 because I remember that I remember that pretty well at all The new system that they implemented personally for like how they were going to handle copyrights. It was just like nintendo and I think It was a year later or something when nintendo basically had a thing where you had to sign up to their like YouTube network a partner program or something. Yeah, so you basically had your own mcn And then you had this system. So you basically It's half and then another half and then Yeah, yeah to do nintendo to play nintendo And I think you had to exclusively be a nintendo channel too I'm I could be wrong on that But I think in order to get in you had to specifically cover nintendo I don't think that lasted very long though No, well, I mean it lasted a few years until nintendo finally decided to Well, this isn't working. Yeah Uh, someone mentioned by the way that uh riot put out tweets that confirmed it, but they ended up deleting them You know, I don't know if you know, uh, I got pinged in the discord by someone saying that apparently when uh A riot was talking about the rework for war can how arcane influenced the voice lines they made for the character so Uh I suppose that's still putting it in the territory of all but confirmed because nobody has explicitly I would say that's all but confirmed. Yeah, that's all but confirmed is used for basically it's confirmed But not really There is no reason to assume anything else and there's loads of reason to assume that he is So whatever Yeah, the nintendo stuff is like this this weird thing again where they just strike every everything down without mercy But also don't provide a way to just listen to it on a streaming service from themselves Like instead of just monetizing the youtube videos that Upload those uh those songs They just Decide to nuke it all and send out like over 3000 copyright blocks It's just uh, yeah Because today you can't listen to any of their osts anywhere. You can't just can't buy them I can't remember if I have any nintendo tracks in my videos, but Um rags. What's your twitter? He uh got banned and never went back Twitter as far as I know Don't think he will go back. That's right I finally catch you live and I can't listen until i'm off work. Yes. Mola. Will you move your streams to an alt platform like odyssey? I know Uh, if you're over like 500k subs, they just copy a youtube library um I think we talked about this if I were banned on youtube, there's a lot of things to consider about what my next move would be um But I would still want an archive absolutely and it might be odyssey. I would just try and find out what's the most viable on it Yeah, there's like no way in hell you wouldn't be able to uh do your format without it being archived Um, yes, oh hi you gozanas That means uh rags on good boy gets scritches. So rags isn't gonna be saying hi to a lot of these. Um I think you're just gonna have to Have to just rotate everyone saying hi, you know Yeah Yeah, good Um, did dude just say blah of belch as he burped Yeah, man, you must be new that's his thing Welcome to e-fap. Yeah, rags possibly have done that over a thousand times. I don't even know if that's a conservative estimate I don't know um All that's best is some goober stag mood Oh, no question Wings quote of the day. I'm a 450 pound man that can barely walk. My life can't get much worse I just like that's the way how you decide to identify yourselves. That's what I am I'm not gonna change it though. Like ready for a funny quote. My life sucks. Ha ha ha Bonus quote. I was in perfect health at almost 500 pounds Yeah, sure you were. I'm sure you were Oh If it helps 500 is what is like the human cap? Is it like 800 or something ridiculous like that? I know Heavy people in the world the cap of when you're so fat You've lifted yourself off the ground your feet can't even get there anymore that sort of thing It's the kind of like the I was gonna say like the walley people, but they're they're like imagery It's just really funny in my head right now The walley people are like 350 400 I think I don't know Happy green history month Fringy Can you say time to drop an m bomb if you want the goo give me the Give me the host job double the money rags. Where's my goo? You do you want to do all that or Wait, what am I meant to be doing? Well, I'll I'll post it. I wanted to say this clearly you're being memed Okay Oh, so I need to read this line out basically that's what they want to me like you want some voice line for a meme So you best put your heart into it boy Uh, okay time to drop an n bomb if you want The goo give me the host job double the money rags. Where's my goo? I guess in this story rags are stolen fringies goo Pasted that's why we call it fan fiction In order to celebrate your birthday metal. I'm giving Mola money. Oh Oh, cool classic. Thank you. Appreciate it The day's animal of the day is the magna pina squid Look magna That's the bogfin squid is what it's being corrected to Magna pina that's terrifying and shouldn't exist It looks like a fucking spaceship. What the fuck most things I see them Yeah, it looks like one of those creatures where you just like that's inspiring some horror thing in a movie, isn't it? Uh, there's like, are you just no Lovecraft saw you and got really upset and that's the extent of your existence It's like stuff you see is like that doesn't exist on earth. That's bullshit. I don't believe you Kick JJ the jet plane done Nice. Good job proud of you love all characters in the show favorite moments are Echo vices. Should I like feed these out or does it count as something we're trying to avoid? I don't know I I'm allowed to say I'm going to spoilers. I'd say yeah, assume that people have Seen the show if they're watching I don't maybe I can do it vague enough that I only seen the show understands But um favorite moments are that fight on the bridge Right. Yeah, yeah um The the the the conversation jason victor have that Arrel's their first interaction That's good enough. Probably get that that part. They like that and What is said after canal Basically the finale Pulled that but yeah, those are all great moments. I'm going to talk about all of them. I'm excited to gush about the finale I know that you can see you. Oh, it took us like seven hours to gush about just the first three episodes It you know, it's just not When when you're having to pause that it would go that way You did joke it would go that way. It did go that way It didn't go that way Having to pause every couple of seconds to account for character expressions. Yeah, it tends to inflate So many and there's so many more funnily enough when I was first Clicked on to like collecting expressions. Obviously that ending ending episode three was the main one But most of them come from later episodes. Not these ones I imagine like next week when my friends come over for for my birthday stuff And I was like, yeah, yeah, you're just the birthday. I just go to my bedroom and do even Weird, weird Let's go. Let's go. I'll sometimes get some more drinks. Like you guys all right. Yeah, cool. All right. I'll see you tomorrow Just a thumbs up Who is your favorite character and why is it not the apex chadette ambassador madada? Obviously, she's the only right choice Um, well we can We can each say what our favorite characters are right or oh no Like just the name Hmm That is a great point to make because I think people would be interested to know I think doomus Has already implied who his favorite was at one point, but that's fine Um, yeah, we don't all have to you know, give in like that. We can wait it out. Yeah, I mean, I'm more than happy to I think why did that that can be a payoff for you in chat to find out who it is that we love the most out of all We can even kind of wrap it up with some of our biggest criticisms of the the show Because everybody out because we've been praising it up until now. Why not are we done critical stuff fair Sure, sure, but our personal biggest gripes You know, we can go around You know Shlumbus Yes, uh, you'll find out on either part two or three if there's a path of those Uh, molar is just the where's my mummy kid from doctor who all grown up changed my mind And I can see why you'd think that it makes sense Uh sips from the mug very obnoxious Bilko was amazing. It was so nice to see a villain that Yeah Every every single Also super chats have not mended on it before the art work music voice acting roll top notch. Hi to any and all guests Oh, there you go. Oh, hello. Hi Also love the mini back story The different characters the ost not the songs are also pretty damn good too I really like the ost. I'm also a fan of a lot of the song choices Like I said, I I either I like them or tolerate them There was one that I that I I felt like I Probably wouldn't have liked too much on its own until it was like You know Played during the scene itself That just really made it happen. We haven't gotten that far. So we'll get there later May I is it is it episode seven? No Vi gave powder the old fat gerald special in episode three Wow I wasn't quite that level of epic, but you know I recently had a dream where some ret content Darth Vader into the biggest asshole in the galaxy in relation to him Telling luke he was his dad and you guys were tearing it apart. It was weird Didn't mean to an asshole In relation to him telling luke he was his dad He was kind of an ass in that scene. He chopped his hand off But um, I'm not sure. Maybe they're talking about the obi one show. Who knows what we're gonna get out of that Does that excite you theo? You gonna watch that one? Obi-Wan and Darth Vader are gonna be in it your favorites No, no more star wars kill it. You can't kill it. Oh my god. Why are you so violent? Because star wars Good star wars content consists of two films in a game And then the rest is shit That's probably a hot take to someone in chat. You guys go ahead. Anyway, uh, it's better It's better than it has any right to be is what somebody said that made me want to watch it It's what everyone's saying. I think because we base a lot of our expectations on production creation and connections for IPs and I think everybody associates league league with cringe They just tend to in the same way that fortnight has it now and in the same way that the rick and morty fan base Add it and still kind of has it If they said, you know rick and morty movies coming out and everyone's like, okay But then everyone starts saying you need to see it. You'd be like really and there's like I need to see it. It's it's that good. You'd be like why okay And yeah, I I will say I was a victim of that too I put off watching arcane for a while not like super deliberately, but I was just like I'll get around to it I still remember I was fucking shocked. Theo that you were like, can you watch it so I can see what you think please? I was like, what the fuck? Theo hates everything usually Yeah, it's league of legends content. Well, I had to think how weird it would be a fortnight tv show And it's like amazing And that's the thing we could end up in that reality. It's a bit what if forty should like omissioned to make a fortnight tv show and they end up making it this good I believe we should get about the lego movie right the lego movie. It's like really. Oh, yeah It's an actual story someone had an idea for a story they wanted to tell Absolutely And it's really strong in terms of its connection to the brand right like the point that it's going for it's a thing uh, because I defend league of legends a lot both on the gameplay side and on other sides Mostly because I think regardless of what you think of the game the stuff they put out around it like the cinematics and some of the law is like They haven't really missed yet Rather substantially other than I guess a few cases in terms of character laws, but Even I was still expecting this to be garbage because it's it's a full-on tv show Not an animated show that's a lot more of a burden to put on a studio and that's a lot more writing that has to be done And when you're not making a book when you're animating something that's so many more things that are having to work together Then They still pulled it out Right has right does not miss much when it comes to things around league of legends I uh Proxy dug proxy dug says fortnight says some cool inventive events. It's not a hundred percent cringe. Uh, yeah I mean fortnight is a It's a work of pure brilliance to be honest with you still cringe Because that's the thing cringe is it's it's an element that can be put into anything It could still be cringe and good So spider-man swinging his foreign machine it legitimately is a madness My favorite part about the show is the other world seeping in and this person and this person are my favorites That is a fair choice person who said that as for world seeping in maybe we will talk about that as we talk about Uh, the only criticism I don't understand that I've seen so far is people saying the music is bad But I thought whether you liked it or not it fit the story really well Really gonna be up until the individuals, right like I don't know we will try I'll try and highlight all of the significant songs and then ask what people think of them Um, I it doesn't bother me if you think that they don't fit because I don't know We'll try and take the conversation as far as we can but it's you know, it can only go so far Um thoughts on analogue horror. Do you have a favorite arg? I think someone asked this before That's a super topical question for me because I got super into that because I started watching uh nexpo and uh the other people And I watched one today, which was the gemini home entertainment thingy He did like a two and a half hour video about that and that's uh That's like, uh, super interesting stuff. So for people who don't know args are Wait, what is Alternate reality games. That's that's that's how it was just my favorite sentence. Basically those who don't know it's I was so sure to just nail it immediately and I was like, wait, what was it? Uh, and uh, there's a lot of horror stuff in there and it's pretty cool because they just Uh, do it for example with pound footage stuff or in the case of this, uh, gemini thing Uh They do it with uh found uh found vhs So it's like survival guides, but they have like really weird stuff on it and it's like aliens and They take over the world with fake humans and yeah, there's some some fun stuff out there I don't know if I have a favorite one yet Because the ones I've been seeing are still ongoing Uh, but there's one from uh People probably know that guy. Uh, Nathan Barnett Look, uh, does that ring a bell to someone? Yes, he's he's one that's just called dad And that's like like virtual reality and cyborgs and stuff. It's uh, it's quite interesting There's a lot of work put in there's like really good ones out there Uh, but yeah, it's fun stuff. I just recently got into it and I didn't even know that's a thing that existed That's just out there online um I don't know really anything about it. It sounds like an interesting I think you would dig it because it's not like jump scare stuff like it's just eerie And the tone the mood that's going on And you know, I love flair flair flashes flair flashes And yeah, it's mostly uh mystery as well So people just put clues together and see what was actually going on and theorizing. It's like a whole community It's just pretty neat. I didn't know it existed and up until a little while ago. It's pretty pretty cool Go go check out uh nexpo for example. He does like some really good videos on those way goes through the different things He also does like twitter miss no twitter reddit mysteries and unsolved mysteries that are out there Some some good stuff there we um As someone who doesn't know anything about league. I couldn't tell who we're and weren't actual playable characters. So um That's actually something that jay brought up when I was first watching the show with him. He was like After the episode three was done That um, I'm guessing clagger and milo on in the game. I was like Oh man fair You know, but maybe they're not it highlights something I've seen people criticize the show for and that is I know all the game characters are invincible and the ones that aren't on so What do you guys think of that criticism? It doesn't really mean anything if you haven't like Played the game so I don't see how that's a flaw. That's one counter. Are you just not allowed to Tell a story with these characters now since they're like they're video game characters and therefore, you know, they can't be killed It's like you just can't tell their story now I don't know if that's even true. They're still ongoing. They can still be killed. So my counter is just They suggest an experience is had because of information we have and I respond I have that information. I didn't have that experience I don't know what I can't help you with that. I actually Worried for several different people's lives when watching this Yeah, so there's a specific point in the last episode. Yeah, yeah It's um, yes, I was gonna ask I was impressed at the show. Sorry to cut you off I was just impressed that the show won my trust to the extent. Yeah, I actually wondered if they would yes Yeah, like do we have a worry the Boba Fett will be shot. It's like no No So I kind of expect a main character to die next season like we don't need to be specific, right? But would surprise you at all if one of the main characters died Absolutely not at this point I've I've said this around the discord a bunch, but my expectation in terms of champion killing Is that they will not commit to killing a champion until that champion has reached their state in the game? If that makes sense, I think you're right that they're not gonna so How do I say this without I guess we'll just take someone who hasn't been you so it was like, you know fiddle sticks if he was to turn up in this Um, I'd be like we got to see fiddle sticks ulti before they can kill him or that he's not going to be in the game Yeah, we have to see that like until they do that. He's safe Um, yeah, it's too iconic. So the fiddle sticks ulti would look so good. I don't even Could you fucking imagine how they would animate that? I I don't even know it would look incredible probably um Because I could I very much trust these people at this point. But yeah, um The other element I suppose Like so we just talked all about warwick, right? But ignoring that I would argue Bander's story is has reached a level of completion here. We can crack him He did everything he could to prevent the same fate of other people that Had that as a result of his goals Uh fueled by like revenge and violence and stuff um And so like point being like I believe he is dead here But then if he was to be experimented on in some way and maybe comes back as warwick That doesn't like ruin it for me or anything necessarily going to be how they handle it But the same goes for whether or not I believe they will kill anybody um At any point. I don't know. I don't know for sure uh But it's it's worth keeping in mind like there are some Characters in the show by the time he reached the end that I feel have reached a lot of their payoffs and that I don't know if he was kind of making this point or not But just the more boxes those that ticked the more it feels like their plot armor is Disintegrating You could die very soon That's what i'm getting at the once certain conditions have been fulfilled for these characters and they've reached approximately The right state That they were like they're in the game because a weird thing about league of legends characters is uh, they don't all exist at the same time anymore either so characters Are just depicted at like their prime essentially So I expect characters they will reach that point But after that I sincerely hope that they will be fair game and I actually have faith that they probably will be Once you know tatans sheriff and all that or What what that but honestly if someone said to me when watching up to this point They were like I knew vi wouldn't die. She's in the game I'd be like honestly, man I feel like it's more likely you should just criticize it that she's one of the main characters And that's why she's probably not gonna die. I I feel like it's in the same vein of complaint where you're just like, okay But what are you supposed to do now what? I I figure Frodo wouldn't die by dying it No, but that's my point though is the they're saying it as though it's a criticism, but really it's nothing at all It's just like all right It almost feels like bad-face engagement with the media to me I don't know if I want to level back accusation completely, but it feels like you're not even like trying to meet it halfway in any sense this is something I meant to um Say when we're talking about the actual episode three, but I forgot but There was an effect of episode three for me that was kind of like the red wedding and game of thrones where it's like Okay, they'll just do whatever the fuck like, you know the the general my general expectations of like plot armor and tropes and whatever just kind of went out the window um and basically for the entire rest of the show I was totally entertaining the idea that Things you ordinarily wouldn't imagine as being possible are actually possible in the show Like it really wouldn't have surprised me that much if I just fucking died, you know, and it's like um it like it we don't Go into detail, but there's something that happens at the end of episode seven that is really brutal way beyond the past What I would have expected right normally, but it makes sense given That this is the show that does stuff like that, right? Uh, if you remember because I'm gonna be nice to take but one of the choices Marcus makes One quote one of the choices he makes I thought it was for real when I first saw it Yeah, and I was like and I think it's just because of the fact that this episode puts me in a in a position of They might you don't know Um, but like being immersed into it and then and analyzing it in post is very different I would be like well, yeah When you've got so many other things narratively to do um Because like I I've always hated the argument as well that people make where they're like Milo and clag are clearly for the fucking reaper when you don't have much time with them compared to the other two I'm just sitting like far off. We have plenty of characters that don't get as much time Both of them were characterized both of them were cared about we didn't know that We didn't know how much time we had with them until they were fucking dead I think that's fair. Yeah, but they I We didn't know I will give them some slack in the neither of them got like A pov scene dare I say I don't think Um, and I honestly they like I'm not trying to be like you need to do this to make the show better But maybe it would have been neat to have had a scene where Milo and clag a talk to each other about something Just those two and they share some some of their feelings about stuff and maybe van der actually gives them a bit of a You know a talk to get and so it can convince you a bit Dude Vander Vander trying to convince like Milo to be a little bit less rude would be ah Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's a lot we can do with it. And I think it would alleviate those issues They say ameliorate As long as you lift your pinky while you say it um and so Uh, yeah, but but the thing is for me I was already enjoying their characterization enough to believe that you wouldn't you didn't have to kill them You could have done lots with them narratively You know, oh, yeah The idea is like, oh come on. They were they were kind of just hollow characters. Of course. They're dead. So, okay Yeah, I like Milo you can say a lot about clagga clagga is like a really good guy from the very few things we know about him He's just he's voiced by sonic the hedgehog He's he's he's like this strong man boy who's just there He's obviously there is circumstances that are out of his control But he's just trying to do the best he can for everybody Milo is much more of your standard sort of he seems almost like a trickster or a guy who's just like You know, he's happy to help but he's also more so in it for himself than anybody else Still a good person. Um And yeah, just having the tension of him desperately trying to get vander out of there with his Literal like main skill they need him for I felt for that guy. I was like you can do it, buddy. Get him out And as much as It's fair to rag on him for his treatment of powder There is also the very real fact that he's a child who probably doesn't understand the effect his words are having Absolutely not And he's got reason to be complaining about her Yeah, she does jinx every job. Maybe she shouldn't be fucking coming out of the job yet Maybe she's not old enough to be going on these jobs. Yeah Well, yeah, because his opinion isn't that even that she's not old enough It's just that she's just not good enough. Um, because they were good enough by her age According to him Um I know super chats and I grew up surrounded by super They've super chat about twice I think it's called even more than twice. So I think that's okay I'm I'm kind of curious um on my first watch I was Pretty skeptical on episode one and I by episode three. I was like hooked and I really enjoyed it My expectation was that on my second watch through I would be less enchanted with it That's usually what happens like the first time through it's great second time through you start to notice more problems But actually the exact opposite thing happened where all the things that I thought were problems I found like the reasons that they weren't problems the second time through And it wasn't until my third or fourth or fifth watch that I actually started to notice legitimate problems with the show Did you guys feel the same way? Like because I never had that experience when I'm like Trying to seriously critique a piece of media basically Uh, you know, it kind of got better for me for me. It both happened But typically speaking, it's you know, like say for example, if I rewatch Boba Fett, I would find more problems I know I would very watched Whatever Mike Flanagan makes the the fall of the house of usher I guarantee you if I rewatch whatever he put it out, I'm probably going to find more things I like rather than dislike because he's a details person um This show I was pretty convinced before I started to rewatch it that I was probably going to find stuff that helped line Things up because of how deliberate a lot of the storytelling choices are That I probably didn't get everything that was put down I think I've highlighted a few of those things as we've been going through that this stuff I missed that I was just like how the fuck did I miss that? Oh Yeah, I mean, I think some of it is legitimately like it could be communicated better Like, um, uh, god, we haven't gotten to it yet It is so hard to talk about this with the restriction of only going up to this point. This is excruciating Trust me, it'll help future conversations because we wouldn't this is what it was like In the week between act one and act two coming out. I was there. Oh god. Yeah That's pain. I because I just watched it all in one go almost one go I told fringy. It was funny. Fringy was like if we watch it all I will be able to do last week on the boba video I actually stopped after three was finished and I had to come back the next day because oh my god I got to compartmentalize all this shit kept nudging fringy. I was like, oh He weren't nudging me as well It's like what it was. It's like I need to do stuff. I'm sorry. I want to watch too It's because I was convinced you fucking hated it because you Here's here's maybe a Here's maybe a somewhat specific question, but it's not a spoiler Do you think a character is going like a major character is going to die in the first scene of next season? Those you could say that's spoiler free by saying I would be surprised If that was not the case Hmm This we can talk about that j referenced it, but um I've talked about it with you and someone else. There's there's a scene. I almost want I don't think I'm going to get it But there's a particular thing I think I could do that would be really cool and we'll talk about that In two weeks from now, maybe I'm glad we got everything out about episode three at least that's something Ha ha Well, it's gonna load. It's got three two or three paps in a row with positive. So what the fuck what's happening? Uh, this one sold out This one is all for rags They want the rags to say something specifically so I'm just gonna have to keep it We will get that sorted if he returns within the oh my god What the fuck are you a sorcerer? But I am a sorcerer, but in what way do you mean? You did you hear anything just now No, what's up? I just I just Hey rags pull up the stream and rewind by about 30 second All right, let's see here second Let him enjoy that first Oh, yeah, that's gonna be good now. He's muted. Well now we can talk That that was uh shockingly good timing. I mean Yeah It was the timing. I don't think it could have been tibed any better On the dot Any second It's nice rags is back a rag. There's never late. Don't be early. You don't have to ask him what he thinks about everything that he's missed chat Chat the whole time has been like good point rags Now let him talk about the episodes for three They they want me to say something specifically Someone wants me to say something specifically We were mainly more so just wowed by the fact that that was a super chat I was reading and you came back literally on it Oh my goodness Mueller said something to the effect of like if rags comes back and then like Within less than a second and a half you came back and you were like hey, what's up? It it was perfect. It was all meant to be that's what we call bad writing apparently Yeah Same coincidence that allows for dramatic things to occur Anyway rags, how much did you hate episode three? I really liked episode three a whole lot. That was really what I guess you're on episode three Well, so yeah to catch you up rags. We've gone through episodes one two and three in excruciating detail And we've decided that since we're at we were at seven hours that we'll do super chats Which are likely to up to fucking 10 hours and we're gonna have to do part two at some point We only did three so it's we tried. I'm sorry And get the squid game treatment. I see but I am Not surprised at all. This show does not waste time It is dense. This is a dense show Well, and on that note, I suppose I know this is a weird question to ask because like what what are you even gonna say? but I mean Is there Things you wouldn't mind saying about your experience with a show for the first three episodes obviously because it's just that it'll done now so Yeah, so for the first two episodes, um I'm going to get my thoughts in order here For the first two episodes I was on board and I really liked a lot of this stuff Mostly setups for the first two episodes Um, you're you're learning about the characters the world you're establishing who's who and what might be happening Uh, though the way they do that is engaging. I felt Everyone was in different places You go to different places. You see different things and that's expanded on as the show Goes forward. You never you never get set fatigue um, you There's a lot of variety not only in the characters and what their characters are but in where they are and what they're doing um so By the time episode three rolled around I was I was you know on board I was along for the ride and I was I was legitimately liking it and I wanted to see more But I feel like we were still doing those setups and then when episode three rolled around I really see why they were taking all that time to establish all the things that they were establishing And I was really glad that they were willing to sort of go the route that they're willing to do As if they're saying everything this everything's on the table now And pretty much anything can happen We're willing to do this we're willing to do that and if it happens it happens You don't have to feel like oh, that's uh, that's a such a it's a kids So they're gonna be a okay or oh, that's the dramatic thing. So they're gonna be okay You really got the feeling that the gloves were off in a sense And uh, this was not a not a kids show That this is uh, this was some good stuff and that they would commit Got kind of get got really game of thrones. The I suppose might be a word for it certainly in the early day Game of thrones is plot armor was staggering as it was um Yeah Well, yeah, uh, by the way, this the super jack actually I'll just post that's the one of you to say that Jay do that again. I wish nobody knew about the goo except for me and metal and you Oh, that sounds like it's gonna be about no way home or something like the spell of Oh, if that if it's a no way home that I should rephrase it I should say it differently um I like like I am peter parker and I am discussing This with Jay who is a magical sorcerer Uh, he is a gay wizard I gotta say Jay do that again. I I wish nobody knew about the goo except for me and and metal and and you All right Ragas, do you know why we're talking about you when you're here for the uh He's ringing here and it always comes up and then he has to get super defensive about it Well, it was this time. It was more who was the carp Oh Mahler, what about is your goo finally entering into the e-fap floor? I brought up goo and he got really upset He does a lot What goo did you bring up? Um, we were debating we were debating whether or not uh, Silco was bleeding his eye because he needed it or if he was injecting it with uh, Shimmer goo when he we said goo That was the contention he was upset that shimmer was regarded as goo What I said was look all right guys just to be clear Shimmer is not goo. Just because it's a liquid doesn't mean that it's goo That was what I said, and then you guys just lost your minds. Oh you are much more aggressive than that I beg to differ It's just because it's a liquid doesn't mean that it's goo like right It is at least, it is at least goo adjacent Yeah, I think that's fair goo adjacent for sure. Well liquid is goo adjacent. Yeah It is similar to goo Liquid is similar to goo that doesn't mean that they're the same thing Somewhat, but the viscose do we do we get some confirmation of its viscosity is a constant throughout the show Well, it's not water. No, we did discuss its viscosity. It's more liquidy Yeah, exactly which I would say makes it a liquid not goo and that's all I was saying Would you say that because the the I can't believe I'm here, but on the league of legends dot fandom.com wiki Shimmer is it says shimmer is a potent and corrosive Tec meturgical serum like substance So I don't know. What is that? It seems to me more. I guess it's their name for it's it's like It's like technum. I don't know what the word for it God, there's a there's a similar thing in guild wars too Or it's like they they mix up magic and technology into a word and I get so like if you make a golem That's how it's like a magical It's like it sounds like an allergy. Is this mean metallic? Um, it's probably a combination of technological Magical and met magic metallic metallurgical tech Yeah Technum Yeah metallurgy technology and magic. So tech yeah, magic tech Yeah, obviously the game too Uh properties shimmer is an extremely potent liquid and its potency is so great They're just slathering on the skin is enough to stimulate them. I don't know Uh, just anything about viscosity Well, it says here that it can be used as fuel And sometimes fuel is thicker than other liquids But We're not sure for certain I think so far it is similar to goo I think that it's uh, but but I don't think we should air on the side of you know, like if we stand similar to go I think we should default to would not being that until it's proven to be goo, you know I mean, I think it is liquid, you know, so we can all agree that it's a liquid That's not in contention, but then there's a threshold you need to cross to become goo I think that I mean if we wanted to be like super technical I guess you could call it a juice but to be honest with you. I was just saying goo was a joke Oh, this this this settles something. It says it's silco injected shimmer into his left eye apparently not I was going to I was going to and say it's an injection as well because if you were draining it I don't think you'd use the center of the eye to drain it Oh, I have no idea if it's a fantasy disease Shit, dude, wait For horn for you might be right. Okay, so the turbo chem tanks They have um a gaseous form of the fucking uh of shimmer Which makes it which means the viscosity is lower. So fringy's probably right. Exactly. Yeah Fuck well again. Yeah, we weren't We're gonna have well you can have few if something in a gas form there can still be a more gel like or goo like form And it has I didn't actually know you can't boil like a goo into gas I imagine Are there any example of that? Well, all this means is that it can have multiple forms and goo can be among those forms as far as we know But it has a gaseous form. We weren't like doesn't rule out anything The rest of us weren't really stuck on it being goo in the first place We were just kind of using a word like how we say flume I was pretty I was pretty Look, all right, I'm just saying it's very defensive about us. Yeah, that's very important. I guess so we'll call it juice Then I am very sorry. Okay. We'll call it juice Well, I think for you want us to call it a liquid, right? Yes, and there's a liquid not goo necessarily. All right and chat watching you you better call it a liquid too. Well, that's a ban If someone said a goo is a goo and you better Context, that's fine. I said get out get out The door is right there 11 months 11 months Make that that gives him more of a bonus for some reasons a bad people I just never understood it Also Fringy favorite bully maguire quotes, please Oh, damn, there's so many choices. Um Uh I feel like gonna cry is mine I think mine is i'm gonna put some dirt in your eye. I do See Uh I think everybody just wants to see bully maguire turn up in the portal scene. Was it too much to ask? He might show up in doctor strange I think honestly, that's one of those things you can jokingly ask for but if they actually put it in it would be cringe as fuck Well, sam ramy's directing it. So Maybe that would be why it wouldn't show up, right? Like he would be like, no No, no, thanks. I'm good. Well, maybe they would force him. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see You have to have bully maguire If Dave Filoni Into the verse of madness or whatever the new one's called then you'd have You'd have all of his cartoon character shown up You have soca would show up and maybe cad bane would show up and then we'd see oh, it would just be madness it would be uh The awkward part for me is it's like I'm cool with like seeing cad bane. Um But I think the meta is kind of uh seeping in In terms of how I feel about it. Oh Well, because I I like cad bane. Well, so wait to clarify you thought that our problem was just seeing him at all No, no, no, no, no, I I No, I think um, because I mean we talk about the scene how the hell did he get there? Pretty funny What is his prerogative? Why is he acting this way? Um, it's a lot of like he's on a surface level It's like, oh, it's cool, but I'm not sure that it really follows that well Um, I guess what I mean is that I don't object to the idea of clone wars character showing up in star wars I think it's just the meta is tainting it Yeah, especially when it is like the book of boba fett and we spent like the first half with luke and osoka And we just keep finding ways to get moral characters who aren't boba fett in to like steal the spotlight Yeah, I figure what rags is talking about is like he would if he were in charge of an ip that has the possibility of bringing references Just like he's got no limits. He's like go go go go go. Everyone through go go go go go. Just say hi Yeah, I mean everything in there and see what sticks. Yeah, if I show them from show they will clap Well, because you want it to be a little bit more than that not just oh, look it's cad bane It's like oh look it's cad bane. I went that And it was really it makes sense why he's here And man, isn't it going to be interesting to see how he conflicts with boba fett in terms of their approach to doing Bounty hunting fascinating because he feels Very well written characters interact Feels to me to a degree, right? It felt like I can't wait to see cad bane shoot mando's armor many times Yeah, but cad bane ain't dying. He's he's None of them are fucking dying man. Yeah That one's haven't really gone Keep them alive forever and ever and ever and ever they can never escape Because no way home and arcane have both done it where they're like We know what you want. You want to see All three of them doing a big old swing into the butt butt Need to set the stage you need to justify and you know tell you what's happening Tell you what they're thinking about and it's like a kid sees, you know, like a raw chicken cooking And they're like, I want to now and the mum is like, you gotta just wait. You're gonna. It's gonna be great You're gonna love it. Trust me. You want two marshmallows later or one marshmallow now And that's the thing waiting will make it hit harder trust me when victor finally shows up, okay? Slow boil whereas here it's like We're not We just we've got to throw everything in we've got to throw everything at the wall I think I appreciate it with arcane is even when it is indulging in its fan service. It always pulls it back as well to to something More befitting the show's tone. I know exactly what you're referring to Yeah We'll get there in several weeks from now The highest episode is rated of book and boba fair Yeah, I've seen people sharing pictures out of the discord So the ones without boba fair the highest rated by far I I There's no reason why that should be the way that it is if in an ideal world I would argue an ideal world all we need is boba fair I would argue it's not the lack of boba fair It's the inclusion of all of your favorite characters doing things. That's it like in the production value Absolutely Yeah, like boba fair could have been there the whole time staying like whoa and oh neat Oh my god. Oh nice to meet you asoka tano Like he could have been there doing all of that and they probably would have the same fucking rating Because it's not about nobody cares about him and they've really done an excellent job of securing that The fact that we've spent two episodes without him in his own show Just and and not just that it's not about that. He's not in it. It has nothing to do with him Like episode five has nothing to do with him at all. I saw a thread arguing It's all to do with him and to give you an example They said what what viewers aren't picking up is that take luke skywalker for example this incredible fucking growth He's having while teaching what is essentially a spiritual successor to his master How meaningful that is none of that could have happened if not for boba fair think about it What and I because he and you're like he was involved in some he was involved in the event Yeah, they literally site had he not captured han solo and delivered him to java luke never would have done all of those things And then everything would be different and it's just like Okay, and the the end of the thread argues the book of boba fair is about all of the people that boba fair has affected Some people they they have to They absolutely have to come up with ways to make it all make sense and it's all great and it's all amazing because star wars So it's got to be good. It's got to be amazing man That one is like my brain. It's just I need a bigger dose Just anything can be called anything now and everything is relevant to everything else. There's nothing irrelevant anymore mad Well, yeah, and you know for fact that if it were just about him and no one else was in it They'd still be like no, it's good. It doesn't need to be about anyone else the book of boba fat, of course about him Yeah, didn't you read the title? I'm feeling right. Okay Can you not read? It's just mando season three episode one and part of episode two police Skywalker show Because we're not we're not gonna see baby Yoda or luke in the next episode We are going straight back to the the finale of the book of boba fair with the the pikes We've spent like I mad that show is bizarre that show Wednesday you could read all about it in our last episode in the very last one. Yeah I don't know if I want to run. I want to get over as quickly as possible It is crazy. I've never seen a I've never seen like an enemy that was I guess so I don't understand why they're the enemy and I don't really know what they do that's bad And I feel like this last episode had to catch up with that. Oh, they they blew up this building They're bad. See. Oh, they sent cad bane to tell the people the cowboys not to interfere They're bad because before this we were just like legitimately have what they have they done anything bad What are they doing? That's a big problem. I don't why are they bad? What why are we trying to stop them? I don't get it So confused Sure is important that boba fett stops the the the pike syndicate because if he doesn't It's probably why they had explosion to make us he's gonna use the explosion as a reason why he must stop the pikes Because up to this point we've been like, what are you trying to stop them from doing trading spice? Yeah, that's what I am They had to catch up on lot. They had to make up for lost time Well, yes, they really had to pack in these random spices evil Yes, they could have done that, but no instead they're just like they blow it stuff up get them I think the only thing that they have said is that the spice the spice mining uses slave labor I think one of the things I've said is that the trading of spice is resulting in violence essentially As long as spice is being traded through tatsaway and that's just going to be violence So seems a bit vague which there wouldn't have been violence if they just took a different route through the duncey And there's Spice the only thing that's violently traded In the sub wars universe, I doubt it I want to know about the um I want to know about the death stick trade. Surely people die in the trading of death sticks. You'd think Very subtly named Job George death stick Well, maybe we'll go home and rethink his life. I would hope He wouldn't be tricked by some mind trick, right? He's an intelligent Wrong focused man Anyway, I watched it, but I've heard that uh book above of that pulls the fucking pt Shit of loot making the baby choose between its attachment to man Yeah, I don't understand that at all. I don't know why luke would be furthering that after everything he did in the ot Doesn't make any sense at all attachments or what gave him victory. I don't understand Thank you prequel trilogy for that one Is it even the prequel trilogy's fault when they're based before and thus it It's it's up to you to decide what luke does after the sequel trilogy and for some ot For some reason they they conclude. Yes. He's going to teach Baby a baby that you should full go your attachments. It's horrible to watch really is This child can't comprehend the idea of arm wrestling and therefore it is being given objects in order to make a choice after one day of training I Seems good. I I just People clap at this people think it's good people think this is They it is the most depressing thing in the universe This is worse than the holocaust, you know, I guess at the very least it is cad bane Because he was I think the closest thing to a character in the clone wars. So You're telling me they'll stop doing this now, right? They're getting dangerously close to having a character in this show Well, he was like his brain functioned every three scenes I think or so which was like record setting That's not good That's really awesome So next up I'd imagine dragon's music video was cringe as fuck though I haven't seen the music video I don't know anything about music video and I will and I will die not knowing what the music video is about Yeah, I'm okay with that Watched due to drinker and efab. So thank you wonderful show amazing animation beautiful soundtrack never been so invested in a new series Yay Which leaves to Yeah, it's been a while for me too Being able to watch this and being excited to see what happens next. That's that's a nice feeling. Yeah Instead of going uh next week. We have to watch another one Uh, at least I can laugh at it with my friends Instead I get to go. Oh, I let us watch the next one because I want to see what happens Yeah, meanwhile the finale for both that will be like less get this Who dies who lives who blows up who does the stuff? Who's the cameo? Yeah, who cameos found way to find out. I'm super invested. Please kill me Um, I know super chance I grew up surrounded by super here it is again. There it is again Uh, I'm so somehow up to return energy. Hmm Oh, well, so the reference in case you don't know Theo is When water is brought up as a concept Boba says I grew up surrounded by water Yeah Like, okay Thank you, Boba Water anyway. I grew up surrounded by water Uh, I'm so excited for the chat to say you guys are coping I think chat has been Mostly in agreement with us right today. We haven't been that to a certain extent I heard it a lot. I saw it a lot though in the fan. So What was it from one account? Because at that point it was just one guy mostly Almost a time. Yeah, I was just one guy who kept going. He said although he said he was making a video on it. So, uh, Eric your best, uh You best send it on over when it's done. I would love to see it I disagree with literally everything you said damn. I was directed right at Dassar I Mary kills Silcoe singed and that retarded fat old guy on the council. I don't even I can tell who he's killing Oh Morally speaking you gotta wipe out Silcoe He's the most damaging out of the law and then probably marry the fat retarded old council guy because you can get some Influence and there you go He seems to care about his family, you know some some horrible tragedy happened and you you wonder you wonder what happened I was gonna say we'll try and avoid that one anyway because it'll involve assessments that go into the later episodes we've kind of partially done spoiler-free rags in a sense, you know, we've avoided a lot of details I say we're just staying with what's been shown to us so far. Yeah point is you want to marry yourself into a position of authority Okay, anyway, hey y'all Mary said stop him from doing evil That's an option. Um Made my risky move in the name of love but the odds were against me. I had to admit defeat. Thank you for wishing me luck Y'all are great and your content keeps me going. I'm hurt as hell, but I kept my courage got paid today. I want to give back Thank you guys Oh Hey, it's it'll be for the best you'll meet you'll meet everyone Sometimes you've got to take chances Yeah Got your feelings out there. You're gonna make it Mola played the blood-borne psx version on ps the pc. I've seen it looks really cool Already downloaded in case it gets nuked No, it didn't but you know, you never know. Well, you play it and then if you say I go, I'll be like, okay. Well Yeah, I'll definitely be playing it at some point I do really like that are in the same way that 8 bit and 16 bit art styles have kind of been Accepted as like this is a way of expressing this is this is This is its own style and it has its merits that are early like 3d playstation 1 and 64 starting to be embraced as like its own style too Um, like that's that's really cool Yeah Um off topic, but what are y'all favorite video games shows and movies as of late As of late As of late, um I'm Favorite as of late like lately have I played something that would played or watch something that could be considered a favorite other than Arcane I was about to say we can all submit that I'll show that's a favorite as of late Would be Arcane, um Movie I would probably games Oh, well, yeah games. Um, I don't know. Uh, what games have come out recently? I'm starting to oh Gtfo on steam out, um into full release as of this year and uh, I still really like that game It's fucking hard as hell though. So you want to bring some good friends? That's the one I've been playing a whole lot lately I can't get into that game. Um I have been going back into dying light the first one because the second one came out and that's fun But it's not like favorite material. Um, but it's just like a new one I've been playing lately I think that's the only one that really Only new game I've been playing Uh, recently as a rogue tower. There's like a tower defense with roguelike elements, which is kind of Oh, is that is that good? Yeah, pretty cool. Pretty neat. These are like when you work on a rogue tower Rogue tower The art style is kind of cool Because I like roguelike's entire defense. So if you want to see the gameplay, I streamed it a bit. So That's on my youtube bar channel. If you want to see gameplay Oh base I've been playing a new game. It came out recently You have legends Oh, that one. Oh, no Yeah, it's all right. It's all right. Yeah, mauler. What what lane do you play? aram aram Aram's pretty based honestly, I I I like aram more than rift. It's all I play Yeah, it's pretty much all I play I like rift more, but I'd like arams because they're very chill And you get just you get to just fight people. It's very nice in that way As for movies, I guess the father would be as of late quite a favorite Yeah, that was an as of late game from me I would heartily recommend to pretty much anyone I talked to is I played disco elysium just at the end of last year That game is absolutely fantastic Oh, right. I'm curious if jay played it I've heard a lot of great things about disco elysium. That's one that I own it and I played a little bit of it and I stopped um But actually well, I think the reason why I stopped was because I somehow got myself into like a forced loss situation where I couldn't like escape um I'm not sure that was because I was unfamiliar with the mechanics or if that is not meant to be possible But it happened it might have appeared that way, but I don't think that's actually possible I don't see how it could possibly it is in like very fringe cases Right, yeah, it's incredibly fringe. I mean because you'd have to fail like a shit load of roles repeatedly Well, this was early in the game. I remember it was uh, I went to talk to some dude And then for some reason and then when I talked to him the guy got stressed out and lost health and died or something And I I just why did he bring up you? I know To deal with it. I will go back to it though. It's that game's got a pretty gorgeous art style um And I've always heard nothing but good things about that game that was like fantastic Especially in terms of writing It does a lot of things that specifically appeal to me in terms of rpgs, which is partially involves getting away from this like massive world ending calamity kind of story to do something a little bit more personal with an rpg which For some reason the rpg genre doesn't really like doing more personal stories Don't you think it might just be because a lot of rpgs are speculative fiction That usually science fiction or fantasy. It's not often that you have like an rpg that's just set in a regular contemporary world Yeah, I'd imagine that's a big part of it and they are often like I'd say the lingering shadow of lord of the rings has something to do with it too. Maybe yeah um A fun call I saw in chat molly, you should have done a long-form individual video could have avoided all this blubber fat chat So sorry for the past hour and a half We have been in the super chat section which functions as a q&a which is filled with all different kinds of questions topics and tangents I didn't choose to engage that as opposed to a making a long-form video in arcane Those weren't the it wasn't that or the other thing. I don't know why you would have thought otherwise uh If I was to make an arcane video that shit wouldn't be out until several years from now I got other long-form things to finish I don't like the idea that you should drop whatever you're working on right now to do that instead of any I prefer the idea of like guys. You ready? You're like, yeah, I go. I've actually decided I would rather make a long-form video tonight Bye Oh Mr. Streamer, can you cover the content that I want you to cover in the way I want you to cover it? Well, and streamer, please Hello Hello, you know, I know they won't people actually do that a lot. They want more videos. They do get them You'll get more videos. Don't worry coming the team and hopefully you're enjoying at least the boba fat ones as a sort of Being you know those don't count so hard. We clicked button What kind of thing? You clicked and press buttons So this next super chat From I'm gonna do so neo 2266. You've asked a question. I think it's a very good question Can't really address it yet about this show. We need to get a lot further. So Good question. Uh, if I don't remember you said that we will definitely get on to it as a topic Come up with basically everybody. I've talked to you. Don't worry Um This person is expressing who their favorites are. I feel like it's gonna trigger Someone uh, because they say who their least favorite is too Oh, it's probably me. So all I'll say is Just try to avoid spoilers. They just say, you know what I think Or you know what? I disagree with your assessment There's a there's a super chat that likes katlyn. That's what that's what just happened Victor and silco might be my favorites, but jace is my least I'm I'm curious why they would like those two, but then not like chase Yeah, maybe it's maybe I don't know. Maybe it's just uh, I don't know that seems odd They didn't say seems like a new member. That is really weird because like Well, the most the most unlikable thing about jace is probably like his sort of Uh, turn towards corruption, right? But I would even begin to say that Oh, right like you knew as you were saying it slowly like i'm gonna drop it No, I They don't hear it I haven't slept in about 22 hours. Okay. I'm trying All right, I'll forgive you Hey massive have you guys ever watched the count of montecristo not sure how the robot would feel about it But there's always been a favorite iraqs Hello, I haven't I don't think I've there's been many adaptations of the count of montecristo I don't think I've seen any of them. I read the book A long time ago. I honestly don't know. I haven't really seen any movies Um, if I ever saw one of them, it would have been fucking ages ago. I'm very unfamiliar with the count Yes Maybe we can have a count of montecristo arc where we watch multiple count of montecristo movies Then we ranked the count of montecristo The count of most christo arc everyone wants to see yet. I know that the count the count And they go what count of montecrimbo to comka Even though I think that is actually kind of a neat premise for a series kind of thing of Different adaptations of the same source material. I know I'm I'm full of amazing ideas yes I grew up surrounded by super chest. There it is again There is a group surrounded by ideas I was looking forward to this episode. I don't know which one they were going That's gotta be episode one. I assume because that's how far back this is, but I don't know Hello, I guess just this episode of beef up in general. Oh, right. That's probably it. I'm pretty dumb for not realizing that You're up or down, but that's okay. Oh, that's bullshit any eta on batwoman. No pressure. Just curious all the best I like the no pressure. He says I do feel pressured Minor spoilers. I did submit one episode recently. Yes. Um, I was admitted in episode A couple weeks ago, um, wait another episode When you talk it means that people can't hear what that's bullshit saying Yeah, but I he said spoilers and I wanted to make sure I think that's I think that's an important thing for them Okay, I feel like you would already be privy to the information. All right. That's good. That's good I don't I just don't want to be spoiled about woman. I think it worked. Yeah, I'm not no No, no, I'm not I'm not talking about the the show itself I'm basically saying yes a batwoman episode is finished. It did take me a little while to get the schedule ironed out for my day job, but Second episode is all cut up And then I'm just gonna, you know, put in the funnies and I'll have another one in It's just that right now what's going on is we're just gonna try and get through the book of bubba fat first Before we start submit to the episode. So I'm gonna try and stack up as many as I can with the schedule getting weird on me and uh Well, I will say it's funny with book of bubba fat It's like one of the shortest tv shows at seven episodes. So I say that a lot of versions are six It's just weird. It feels weird that it's seven episodes. You're like, oh damn. They didn't even reach 10. You're like Yeah, I can't promise that you're gonna have like a shitload of episodes ready to go once book of bubba fat is done But I'm doing my best. Yeah. Yeah, uh, we've got one But it won't be coming until the book of bubba fat arc is done, which will be weeks from now probably I guess But we'll I hope to have another episode done in that time Um, but yeah, it'll be one to do because I don't know if we're gonna be doing anything about bubba fat post that Like I don't know if we'll do any ff stream or not Oh, I see. Yeah, uh, probably not. I like I don't feel particularly passionate about talking about it. I was like, well, it just depends on if someone puts out a Fucking video that's like this was the most genius thing that's ever been done You know just stuff that's worth talking about or not. It'll depend. Um, but I'm pretty sure We'll have talked it to it. I'm totally happy to move on from bubba fat I want to be Sounds like such torture Well, the big part of it for me is that uh, doing it It's like so a couple of days a week dedicated to editing that rather than uh Editing and alternatively working on other stuff I'm looking forward to having to go full tilt again back on the big project Yeah, we can't guarantee it'll be out tomorrow because I've not even come close to checking its copyright issues. Um And I still have a bit more to uh to chop up this afternoon But of course it'll be out either sunday at normal e-fab time or monday at normal e-fab time What I will say is you might not see this e-fab episode on time because I have a feeling when I re-upload this It's gonna be like ding ding ding ding and I'm like, great Um, I tried to cover it up. Okay chat I did and I saw some people being like more the copyright covers not up when you're doing this pot I do know this paino too with metal sports. It's like I want to show this but yeah There are ways to be safe But I really for this show was like I've got to show you some of the expressions. I gotta show you Like absolutely this that and the others but um, it'll just mean I have to keep what I did with the Some people don't even know the last episode I put a comment on it to tell you but I had to re-render it like fucking five times because it kept Fucking pinging us with cinema sins video not our like anything It's always insane to me when it happens in a video coverage and the thing that's getting dinged is the video you're covering that's Apparently or supposedly fine already because it's uploaded And then copyright system is like no no it's not fine anymore so I don't know if anyone else got this vibe, but um Yep, that's a thing that we will cover for sure It ends with high rags Oh, hello, but uh, don't worry. That is a subject like the other one It we're definitely going to be going over there's so much more for us to talk about Just because we've had a well six and a half hours of discussion does not mean we've covered even one percent of the show and Thoughts on the design of the enforcers. I love it. Yeah, I think they look great Yeah, awesome. I like the contrast of how they look when they are entering the undercity versus how they look around piltover Yes The lack of the helmet and mask really Contrast how the police look to the the good neighborhood versus the bad neighborhood Yeah, they also look like moller. She's not a cool. Yeah They were a kind reference. I allowed they paid me a lot to take that but I was like No Uh, someone said why can't you just put the logo over top the whole thing so that kind of defeats the fucking point, doesn't it? like That's why it could take some time because it might Hit me for particular bits where I tried to show you guys something and if it does I'll try and find a way of Covering up a little bit before and after so I can get it through um So yeah, it could take some time for the awking episode to get up But this will be unlisted and for some reason when you've streamed it This has uploaded it. Sometimes there's different rules like this might yeah be Uh, unviewable by the time it's processed, but it also might still be available Hang on to it if you want to re-listen to it or go back or it's really weird and dumb. Yeah Unbridled praise when I assume that regards this show I don't have any intention of doing that anytime soon, but I could definitely see myself making a video on this someday I enjoy it. You may have been able to tell this Frankly, I feel like uh, just doing the eFab streams will like Say everything. Oh, they will but like I think that a lot of people will want It's kind of hard to explain because it's a good point you just made in terms of like Why would you want to watch a video by me about arcane after seeing my coverage of every single episode? It's like, I don't know. I guess because you can be more Pointed you can use visuals to support you immediately um Make comparisons to other media The format probably is ideal to like, you know, you know script and everything. Yeah that too and and just um As an experience is quite a different thing. So Lull was just the advertisement for arcane I was uh Was some vision in the fucking marketing man. Yeah, so awesome. If that was the truth They're like, we're gonna we're gonna make a tv show Awesome. Mark Maryland's Like the founders of riot. They just sit down like look 10 years from now Okay, it's all gonna pay off You're gonna have to trust me on this advertising strategy But we are gonna build a fan base through a different medium We're gonna funnel them into the tv show automatically so that we can have A fan base immediately trust us Hey, if we're gonna do this shouldn't we put the characters who are We're gonna be in the series in the game first. No, no, no, see that's the good part It's the long game the characters in the game because when we put them in the game We'll have better technology and better artists and then they'll look better and that'll get more people interested. Do you see? Nice Yeah Um, been looking forward to hearing you massive talk about this always nice to watch a show and not get stung for caring iraq's Hello Yeah, I completely agree the best example of the show utilizing the fact that it's animated is probably the Thing that happens on the bridge Yeah, we'll talk about that scene for a while Okay, I know superchats. I grew up surrounded by superchats Number four This show revived my hope for good content. Love you all or love all of you here. Hi rags Hello Thank you. I'm glad you're having fun and such Neat animal. I found the satanic leaf tailed gecko Oh boy satanic. I like it already satanic leaf tailed gecko Oh, okay. Well, that explains that. Holy shit. Is that its actual name uro platus fantasticus? Yeah, I just That's awesome No, you're a platus Okay, so let's see. That was a neat creature. Look at that guy Yeah, he looks like a leaf Hey That's legit. That's like really impressive Wow, and not only does it look like a leaf it can also look like bark on a tree or other things. Yeah That is really interesting. What a mad lad of a All right female Thanks. Thank you I forced my non-gamer family to watch arcane I told them to wait for episode three and they loved it even though they never heard about lol or even played a video game That doesn't surprise me really not relying on that at all Nope, um Trying to think of what is what is like an adaptation Into movies or tv from a game that requires you to have played the game It's like that's actually very much uncommon, isn't it? I'm pretty sure some manner of final fantasy probably would do it Maybe because didn't some of the final fantasy movies kind of require you to There was a Final Fantasy 15 movie I remember that came out that was like tied directly into the game. I didn't watch it, but that's what I I think it was tied directly into the game like king's glaive or something Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then like people did kind of complain that um it Like didn't make any goddamn sense and it kind of needed the game or to make any sense Right. Yeah. Yeah, it is I guess the more interesting one is it's off-sided but when uh halo 5 Like if you want to understand halo 5 You need to read a ton of books. You need to watch like the halo nightfall tv show you needed to uh listen to these um it was like this uh like Audio series where it was uh like hunt the truth or something where you've had to listen to all the audio files and read the comics And it was just like holy shit It used to be that you'd start the game and you didn't need to know anything else and the books would just enrich the experience for you not required um Yeah, uh Frustrating to hear about I fucking hate that shit. I don't want to read stupid books To in order to be able to play the game, you know, I think I think your homework is really good Uh, and I'm not particularly big fan of those books at least some of them Uh, even if the books are really good. I still should not be required to read books to play a video game That makes you that that makes you sound like such a chad like I shouldn't be able to read books to play a video game That's right. Let's kick my mouth grinds that don't read books play video games Yeah, you have like the virgin book reader versus the chad video game enjoyer. Yeah But there's a little dinky book I'm pretty sure you'd be like there are books in my game in my game. So that's right. Yeah Well A complete breakdown of arcane it must be my birthday. Oh wait, it is also happy birthday metal also also Thank you. Oh, hello Um, yeah, it's pot one male birthday. It's amazing. It's I shall I shall leave now. I'm getting sleepy Also, uh Mom's coming over tomorrow for my birthday. So I'm gonna get up at some point. I'm afraid Bye mom. Um, yeah, I want to come on stream Yeah, your mom can you bring your mom on one of our guests? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay It's awesome. That's great fantastic Uh, but as we mentioned chat if you want some more arcane discussion metal has a forge episode I do yes It's not nearly as detailed use the link in the description Yeah, go go go go check it out. It's not as detailed. I did a little bit Less a little bit. I mean in the time we made episode one here. I was done with my stream. So It's a little more condensed. I I took some Some things I liked and then I talked about those ones There you go. You can check that out also You can see my thoughts because I won't be here next week because I'm I'm I'm busyheimers Yeah, and uh the next metals forge will be on binding of Isaac and I'm going to be joined by weekend warrior So that should be a lot of fun And also the birthday stream from yesterday is going to be up on the archive channel as well. We played gothic fun everybody Yeah, when you guys were gone we also played pummel party Yeah, oh We I did we did we did pummel everyone But yeah, that's that's that for me. Thanks Thank you everyone for watching. Goodbye There he goes again Um, you don't like the song by rags Correct opinion. However, maybe that maybe it's that they're saying bye because you kicked them out Maybe they're talking. Maybe it's another song like bye. Bye. Bye Like in sync You would have loved it in sync with a dragon that turned up In sync on cringe at all their chads and they're just perfect everything they do if it's all gold Plants is perfect. Do you think if you guys think someone like Tarantino would be able to incorporate pop music? Well, I'm pretty sure he has done. I'd have to check all the tracks. He's pretty sure he's used pop music before Tarantino is known I think it was a yms video the first point this out and maybe think about it He's like Tarantino has some kind of insanely great ability to just whatever song he's got at his hand He'll use it really fucking well in a movie And sometimes it'll just feel like when you look at the origin of the song or the genre and then the scene You're like, how the fuck did this work? And it's like, well, I don't like James Gunn. I guess They must both listen to a lot of music and very much pick them deliberately, I guess um Love arcane the sting song and the rest of the music but f f fvcc What's fvcc mean is a stamp or something Fvcc fvcc Oh Oh, that's yeah flathead valley commuted at college Oh, well, I think they might be saying fuck because then it falls up with imagine dragons Fuck that tacky song and fuck everyone who really vibed and head banged to it Oh, no. Yeah That's uh, yeah That's cruel and mean and cruel Hello, the sting song is the right choice though that shit is fantastic Um If yeah, yeah the sting songs Uh, if y'all plan to have a halo infinite breakdown, could I suggest getting l n g or l n gaming? Sorry? Halo canon Or installation zero zero on for the lore portions. Just curious stay long and send my love to wolf But here's the problem I don't know lord brings possibly the most invested halo person here and he hasn't finished the campaign Now what do you think that means for me in rags? Oh, no, I had a friend who's really really into halo and he he just he finished the campaign and he's like That's what I he was really keen on it at first, but then I guess it soured on him pretty quick I almost started it Didn't and then nobody talked about it So it's like oh Just sitting on my shelf my virtual shit Um The other fact that not if fringy can't bring himself to complete it yet then that's It ain't happening. There's not enough passion Unless thing You could be like what you won't talk about that, but you will talk about boba fat. It's like well, so Yes, uh, because the passion is is enough and the requirement is to watch 30 to 40 minutes per week, right? Like The problem with the halo campaign right now is that that's a lot of hours that myself Brags and to an extension fringy But I have to pack in a note up and then to do like a good episode on it instead It's like we'll rather cover other stuff at the point passionately Yeah As someone said in chat it died. Yeah, it seems that way. Nobody's really talked about it Well playbase is certainly fallen sharply Um, and there is no currently I think they're working on it, but right now there is no road map for what's coming next So no clue what I meant. Well Yeah, friend of mine who has beaten it only complains about it these days If ever comes up, so My friend just does the same thing. Yeah, I still occasionally jump into play some games But I don't want more fun playing mario ka like i'm right now Careful announcing that Nintendo might come after you Uh Nintendo did you say the name of our characters copyright strike? Did you did you stream that in any way? And you're like, um, Maybe The playbase is dwindling getting around 30,000 people it's just funny to see 30,000 is dwindling I guess it is relatively good Playing as much older game. What's uh, what's the most played on steam right now? I'm pretty sure to be Dota 2 typically is dota 2 And then cf go usually is the next one. Let me double check though. Really like dota 2 is still top dog I would I was curious if any like battle royale. Shit is Oh, I mean, I'm pretty sure that uh, yeah, so number so number one is counter strike number two is dota And dine line two is number three right now. Then apex That's interesting to me as like, um, if you would call what was the most popular genre before the moba ones came in You're like, oh probably fps, right? would probably be mmo's well, um I guess it depends on what era where it was because when when was the fps is like Pop dog era 2009 2011 and yet because kind of what I'm getting at is like The remnants of that is still more than present with cs go being fucking number one Yeah, exactly. Um Uh, but then I mean you look at the list it's like so we got apex and pub g are up there rust Um That is on steam now It is a bit funny. Yeah, and team fortress 2 is still in the top 10 Yeah, no, but Um, remember 6c just still up there. Uh, but then you keep scrolling down. It's like, yeah You don't get to halo infinite until 38. So uh, it is below gary's mod. It's below warframe It's below payday 2 and rocket league and valheim and fifa I don't know if you know the answer this, um between utheo and fray, but uh, what about lol's player base? I'm pretty sure that's not public, but I think it's typically about 8 million What? Fucking hell like Yeah, lol has it Yeah, something like that. Um, you also It depends on how you account for china because we don't know chinese player numbers I typed lol player base into google and I see League of legends player count has reached a total of 180 million monthly players in 2022 Oh, wait better question then Play a number tip with like average player active player. Is there anything like that you can find? I have no idea. I figure this yeah, I imagine this is the monthly player base because I think concurrent is about 8 million though Or something along those lines, but the figures aren't public like they are on steam Man imagine being like all those companies. There's I want to make a game like that where it's successful forever That's what everybody wants. That's like that's the model That's what they wanted to do with battlefield and look at how well that's turned out Well, I was just thinking like imagine being halo right now. I just like fuck Well, I have no doubt that that is a conversation that is being had right now It's like, oh, this is lower than I think we wanted. Um though I guess uh Ah damn, it's gone. It was an observational on this top. Oh, yeah, that's right I think there was an article that apparently sony wants to do live server stuff too Uh, well, well you grown but it was inevitable because I get that I'm pretty sure that even with halo infinite's dropping player base that it made more money in a couple of months than like god of war ever did And that's like one of the best selling games on playstation. It's just ain't the same profit margins It's not the same margins. It's not the same amount of content like money over long term I'm sure they'll still keep making those games but yeah, um under said uh The the director at 343 tweeted that hey folks in november. I said we'd have a halo infinite update Uh regarding the roadmap the seasonal roadmap co-op and forge in january We need more time to finalize our plans. It's just like dude. You've already run out of steam Like well, that's that's yeah, that's the problem is it's like you're uh, you're running out of time You may well have already run out of time to capture that player base They may have moved on yeah, it's like they have in large numbers It's like putting an iv in right like it's like you can do that and it might bring them back but um I don't know I didn't um the reason I didn't play morris because I just didn't The monetization just felt really scummy to me and I didn't want to play the game I just didn't feel like it respected a certain investment If I think that's the thing maybe forge is what they need. Maybe forge will uh Cause a long term maybe uh Resturgence in playbase because it means that you've just got user generated content um Maybe and then and then there's not as much of an issue with the amount of but forge seems to be Well far away Um, they don't even have a roadmap to tell us when it's coming out like it's probably months away all these years And we didn't get a game that launched with for it's because the development was not it was not smooth clearly Yeah six years In chat you said it's not coming to a late may this year. No campaign co-op I'm pretty sure is not coming into a late may this year. I think forge is later than that Hmm Great because we are technically in the season right now, which I've already completed So I got three months where the only things I can unlock A few things in the samurai event and that's cyberpunk stuff. That's it. There's no more progression. No new content or maps Um, we're still missing certain game modes. No king of the hill. No bomb assault um Yeah, I don't know ninja not our jogger. No no infection. Just as like no infection That one blows my mind. Yeah, it does seem like it's just lacking and modes and stuff in maps It just feels lacking and maps are a lot harder to add in quickly than hey, we added in tactical SWAT SWAT SWAT's a lot easier to add than uh, then one where you're trying to integrate like objectives or You know alternatively create a brand new map Um, I don't know Yeah Um I like the show but a couple things Why does the city with such advanced technology like teleporters have their troops using lever action rifles? So hex tech. Oh, is this spoilery? Uh, they can kind of cover that in like the fourth episode. I believe well, let me be vague enough so that they can understand it Remember what victor's reaction is when mel in episode like eight suggests weaponization Also the ability It's it's easy to make things In a sense, especially new technologies. We see this a lot It's easy to make things big oftentimes to scale things up Is often easier than scaling things down and making them very small um But if you think about like the hex gates, they allow for an insane improvement on something that practically didn't even exist Long distance travel. That's that's insanely This it's almost like it's an entire new thing. It revolutionizes travel but making a hex tech Version of a gun would just give you a hex tech version of a gun So it's not a new thing Yeah, that wouldn't necessarily be a new thing. It might not even be as good as using bullets Um, especially when the infrastructure for creating all those things currently exists And it's an offensive weapon is also, you know, a big story point and character point relating to it And I think they may have to answer that question when we hit season two though with what's happened To add to that uh before the development in episode four, I guess, uh Like well that development. I think it's victor specifically says that it allows them to create portable devices Yeah, we'll we'll we'll get into all of that there. I know there are criticisms of the world building between three and four We'll totally get into all of it um also uh We will talk about that they brought up something else. I'm I'm aware of that one too They're highlighting a a plot armor instance. We will talk about it. Well, it'll be talked about Um, there's two seasons of castlevania are good. The other two are really bad. That's what I've heard Do you know everyone else's hit the same? I haven't seen season. That's what I heard first two seasons But I didn't watch it after that I was like I like friends disparage parts of season two, but I haven't seen anything for myself. So I can't comment Um, I do know like big castlevania fans. I didn't have a very strong attachment to castlevania I just remember like a lot of the The fights are pretty cool Honestly castlevania was something I that was monitor two content for me. I honestly probably didn't absorb it as much as I could have I mean, I do intend to eventually watch it. The prize is the first two seasons um We need a season two given there are character arcs interactions yet to be resolved Cautiously optimistic. The next one is as good as season one agreed Fuck if they can if they can get it to be as good as season one, that'll be more than happy as far as I'm concerned Uh making it better. Whoa You imagine it'll be nice Chance of an e-fap movies for the 1993 bob hoskins mario bros movie where the new one when the new one comes out We we have to that idea it will depend on what we're up to at the time I love the idea of watching those back-to-back Would be hilarious to see 93 versus 20 Whatever the end Oh, shit, really? It's coming out. Yeah. Yeah, just it's coming our own christmas What a great gift Yeah, married christmas chris pratt mario Whoopee and better yet fucking seph rogan donkey No, that's gonna be Farley day louise That is very funny It sounds like it was made just to fuck with people and I appreciate that Yeah, but it's illumination Um Also hi rags Hello springy. Why are you a bird? I'm not a bird. I'm a plague doctor. Jeez Plague doctors are birds. They're not birds. Yeah Yeah, we've been over this but also there are animals that have beaks that don't that aren't birds We went over now. They have bills. They have bills and no, we covered this and yeah, we did We established that other, you know, they have bills It was absolutely established that you were wrong on that one. I'm sorry. Nope Is it possible for me to create a character that is both a bird and a plague doctor? Uh, yeah, of course, you can have a chozo plague doctor. They'd be both a bird person. Yeah, that could be your furry oc Oh, baby What a chozo plague doctor It could also not be your furry. Yeah, let's let's definitely That could be your your persona plague doctor Your your plague doctor bird is your fursona oo-woo So there's an episode of there's an episode of the South Park that you should watch The episode is called fish sticks Um, and in that episode we explore how cartman He just he his interpretation of events just gets warped like he honestly believes false things Because of his ego I'm saying that I would recommend that you take you watch that episode not only because the fish sticks joke is really funny Yes, it is. Uh, they recently did an orchestral Oh my god, I'm a gay fish gay fish. Motherfucking gay fish. I'm a fish. Yeah Pretty pretty good song. I guess all things I did a whole bunch I wonder they should do the one where he was singing Where they had Kanye West return to reprise his iconic role and he was singing about how kim ka dashing isn't a hobbit My girl let no hobbit that was a quiz no one that bitch went to rob it Because she got that ham that she rubs under her cellulite while she's drinking her grog and singing those very songs That night My girl let no hobbit Please god tell me i'm not gay too. No hobbit. I mean you had the little group in the background She is not a hobbit While he's now looking around awkwardly as the realization sets in Nothing wrong with being a hobbit, you know hobbits In the main south park team orchestral think the absolute cast iron will on the person having to sing kenny's line kenny's line Exactly. How did you do that with a straight face? I'm sure it took many takes I'm sure they did it they did another one too because I think they did uh, they did the sandiak jack and at sandiago Yeah, and I think they did Carl's mom's a bitch That'd be which kind of an interesting one because it was already an orchestral in its original form I That's i'm sure we've never talked about it on e-fap because it probably never come up south park like the movie Is like a really good musical Oh, I love it. It's a it's a remarkably strong musical Well, it's not even remarkably strong because they've proven again with like the book of Mormon that they're incredibly talented at creating musicals Um lame canada wonna and an oscar. I think uh for best original song I think it won. Yeah, and yeah won. Uh, or at the very least it was nominated What's the worst piece of media craft wise that you have near unequivocally enjoyed watching infinity tizms probably Yeah, one of the worst fucking things I've ever seen but man it was pretty funny That's definitely up there. Um when they went to the beginning of time to battle the giant space monitor, man Oh, oh that's up there because it's like a one Or a two or it's a one right? Yeah, I think that's a one. I think that's our one um A wrinkle in time was kind of a mind fuck that was enjoyable in a in a strange way Because it was just it was it's also a one. It often gets forgotten That's pretty enjoyable. There's a lot of the cabbage monster was pretty good the cabbage monster and the big uh Oprah just the weird shit Trying to make a little kid a villain Oh god, no And then they say what is the largest enjoyment slash quality show you've seen now I assume those are two questions because I would split them up largest enjoyment. I've gone out of a show Will be the buffy verse doesn't surprise Best quality show I've seen I usually opt for breaking bad when I when I give one for that. Um, yeah Safe choice. But uh, yeah, yeah, I'll just go with that. Whatever What are the answers we got going here? For just generally most enjoyable content you've had most enjoyed tv show versus what you think the best tv show is quality one I don't know what the best is. I I really like Chernobyl a whole bunch. Um, of course, I really like arcane Uh, but I'm not huge into tv shows. I don't watch many of them So I don't have nearly as big of a pool to select from I don't often sit down and watch them It's definitely the exception when I do sit down and just watch a show Um, I've been watching a a series of lectures on ancient Egypt on one dream. That was that's neat But not quite the same thing. Um I don't know But yeah, I'm not I'm not a big show guy not a big show guy Yeah, same kind of takes a level of a commitment that sometimes you just don't have time for It doesn't help that a lot of tv is uh crap. Not great. Terrible. Yeah crap. Let's go for that. No good very bad. Yeah No, right Maybe duma. Do you have any anything to add to this wonderful conversation? Hey Nice Sorry, but that was that's all we got for now. Who knows what'll happen in future For for for that question. I mean unless you got Uh, I'm trying to think Best probably just goes to lie for me either that or breaking bad. I want to put back also in there as well It's really good that show a lot. Yeah Um I Well, I you know what that's fine All right Hi rags Hello Have you guys seen the trailer for run hide fight? And if so, what do you think? That is the I do dual shooting film, right? Um, oh That makes sense based off of the name because that's generally what they tell you to do now. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I think daily why I produced it and so some people are very curious about What were you thought of it? Oh I saw the trailer and I think I came away thinking to myself. I mean it could be good. I don't know Um, but I haven't seen it. That's all I got Wasn't there like another one by them with Gina Carano? Yeah, I think they're making another one. I don't think it's out yet though I don't know. But yeah, I think she's she's she's gonna put them in some way Yeah, I forget what that name of the film is supposed to be only follow too closely Uh, but yeah, I don't think anyone's seen it, right? I'm not even sure how many people here have seen the trailer. I know I did but I didn't know I did not see the trailer. No, I don't want to I want to go into a run half without any expectations I just wanted to wash all over me. Mm-hmm. Yeah Uh Hi-ho hi-ho it's off to sing a poll we go very true Hi-ho Uh, if you're thinking about getting dying light too, it's glitchy as hell Yeah, I played the prologue the prologue is two fucking hours by the way Um, geez and yeah, there was already like a whole lot of jank that was pretty present in the first game too So like very familiar turf first one's a bit. Well, it's got some jank in there It's got some janks I still enjoyed the first one. Don't get me wrong. The first one is a good bit of fun Yeah, I would definitely recommend the first game quite a bit. Yep I really appreciate that it's mature in a respectful way not like the boys I think they talk about arcane and um, yes I agree Uh, there's one of the things that hit me with this at the ending of episode three Like how mature of you which doesn't really I don't find myself saying that about stuff that often No Our game respects you as a viewer Which is yeah, it respects you big It's such a strange thing to say but when vibe hit it I was like Oh Had that happen. All right punch that head I do I guess just want to push back a tiny bit and say like I think we should reserve a show's right to be crude if that's what it's trying to be like Um, are you referring to when it can just like like the boys were just like fuck fuck fuck fuck explosion of meat I suppose so. Yeah, it's not like we're yeah, but I don't think that's that's what that means. I don't think it's like Yeah, that's what I was thinking of can't do it. Um, they're gonna be I'm trying to think of examples. There are plenty I would go as far as saying I enjoyed the um The invisible man explosion that happens. I forget his name because I haven't consumed boys content is so long now But it's episode two. I think um, yeah, it's It's there's a lot to say about that scene that works really well with that but as was pointed out to the fucking writer That doesn't make any sense Because it should be that the explosion is impacted like it should be that he goes And then falls over because it wouldn't pierce or break any of his skin because the whole point is that it can't be broken Um, and he just said yeah, but it wouldn't look as cool I remember that was a uh, you just reminded me of something. I remember in loot cage It was specifically a plot point That they used like a chitari bullet that could actually penetrate luke's skin and because of that It was very difficult to do surgery to save his life because there was like nothing that you could penetrate I think that had to use his eye like a part of his eye And it was like a whole plot point you can't establish it as a thing that protects somebody And they're not considered the ways in which it screws them over. That's just like basic balancing of like your power Yeah, that's that's the thing. Um, and it's a bit of a like letdown when that happens, but Like the point I was trying to make was more so that you could call that crude and something I enjoyed I don't think was suitable, but I might what was the What's the question? Oh, so so the person said that um, they're happy that arcane was respectful in a much like it was mature in a respectful way Rather than the opposite being something like the boys and I think what we took from that was They're saying that the boys is much more like we're mature fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I mean, there is absolutely a conversation I've said it so many times I feel like a broken record but like arcane is an anomaly in terms of western adult like animated animated shows there are Most a try most are trying to be comedies and over the ones that are trying to be comedies most are Edgy not funny crude. I think crude is the word. Yeah I think crude is probably the word because it's like you go through the list and it's like so I I guess the problem is that when I think about a lot of the ones that I like it's like well a lot of them aren't I don't really think archer is like crude. I guess there are aspects of it that are crude But I feel like it almost downplays how intelligently written it is It's like the same for the simpsons and I guess south park would definitely be described as like a crude show, but You know, it's it's smart, right? Like it's not I guess it would be more so that when we talk about it feels like just That the the ideas that people have in their head of what an animated show can be Is a little bit narrow Maybe in part because of the the still existing problem that people like cartoons are for kids and so like it's almost this Knee jerk in the opposite direction. We are so not for kids like this is this is so much for an adult See look he said fuck You know, yeah, that means we're for adults. I hope that arcane um Sort of I think arcane had one f word I well, uh, yeah, exactly. I think In any case, it's just man. I do hope that what people pull from arcane is like Please you can do you don't have to just be a comedy. You don't just have to be you can just make a drama You can just make a drama and have it be animated It's it's animation. It's a medium. It is not it tells you nothing about what kind of story you have to tell Or how you have to tell it. Yeah Just to go on defense a little for crude Uh, that's why I brought up translucent explosion. It's like that was something I I enjoy and it's done for and as was mentioned In chat the pulp fiction head explosion is fucking fantastic But you can absolutely say that's crude and it's like well, yeah Part of the when cartman chubs food up his butt and craps out his mouth. That's crude. It's funny Yeah, we would talk so I assume if we were to add like a caveat onto the statement I am assuming they're just saying that the boys is does it in a way that's really fucking cheap A lot of the time. Um a lot of the time. Yes Yeah sausage party. That's something that comes to mind We're so cautious about closing doors in terms of right styles. Mm-hmm. This might be controversial because I laughed at sausage party a lot When I watched it the first time I'm in trouble with it because I just fucking hate Seth Rogen. I guess. I don't know I don't know. I just felt I think the premise was so amusing to me that it helped carry me through the whole thing Even though the premise doesn't really follow much at all All right, when do they become alive? Like does a sausage become alive when it has turned into a sausage? I'll let you know when a sausage comes alive I'm trying to have a serious discussion about the world building of sausage party World building of sausage party A video essay by Fringy No, never Start your heart. You know what to be true Well, they thought it was saying I hope we get more like this rather than the boys is like 100% that Easily I can agree with that 100% Easily because maybe crude stuff would actually hit way better and harder if Wasn't so much of it compared to not at all crude mature stuff People complain the most about all the netflix animated shows like in bojack's favor It tries not to be like a lot of the other netflix animated shows where it's just like knockoff family guy Yeah, because it's terrible and they're all you're right other family. Yeah, that is really common. Actually It's very common. It's They it makes them think because like it's it's very much like family guys fault That they're like, I'm gonna have a young character who swears like crazy I'm gonna have a really old character who swears like crazy because you just wouldn't really expect that. Isn't that crazy A talking dog When have you ever seen a talking dog or a talking fish? Well, I I But now it seems like rick and morty has become the new one That is getting it was star trek lower decks. That's like that's rick and morty star trek That's what that is by the looks of it. Anyway, and the comedy looks same art style Yeah, and hoops has a similar art style to rick and morty as well Um, yeah, that's become the new thing. It is so interesting how it's in trends. First. It was the simpsons Then it was family guy now. It's rick and morty Oh Yeah, a little bit Also happy birthday metal I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Happy birthday metals at your birthday This I I still have a little bit more on this topic as well because it's some of the thought about I uh something that is a little bit frustrating about family guy and the influence it's had is that a family guy's animation Has deteriorated significantly To a style that is incredibly bland Um, and when we talk about like movement and animation itself, it's so limited and static um That it almost feels like a computer makes it And unfortunately a lot of the ones that then try to do the family guy thing have a similar issue in terms of the animation where it's It's just so limited. It's not bouncy at all. It's the same poses It's arms by the side one arm up two arms up two arms up a little bit closer to the chest um Arms hanging forward. So they got their arms up and like t-rex That's it's like those same four or five Arms that they do it over and over and over again And then it is not a knockout post No smiling friends is a just a strong example of again what you can do with animation Where you have a bunch of crazy wacky characters and this kind of weird clashing of styles that blend together somehow That it just somehow works is this weird surreal uh thing um Yeah There's so much you can do with animation You it's like that harry partridge cartoon with animation you can it's a really good video It just establishes the point very clearly you can do whatever you want. So do it Hey, y'all remember goanimate Yeah Talking about the cheap family guys Again harry partridge made a cartoon shitting on goanimate wait He just makes the point like in goanimate. Can you trend? Is there a canned animation that transforms your hand into a gay lobster who's excited for the new captain american movie? It's like, yeah, exactly You can't Goanimate. Yeah, I've never yeah. It was like some web based like browser based animation like software that had Family guy Goanimate was basically you you could like drag and drop Hand animations and stuff So like it's not really you're not really like It's you're directing pre done animations. Well, yeah You know like I don't because people shit on tweens, but like you can use tweens really well rick and morty uses tweens Yeah, so like you know, you know how like when you think about frame by frame Like usually when you think of animation you think of like frame by frame Which is like what the disney animated films used to be like Well, like each individual drawing and then you filter through those and another one did another one Yeah, but they're all individually drawn whereas with tweens you create like objects that you move around So you might make the hands little objects. Okay instead of Oh, there's a lot of really internet stuff was that a lot of early internet stuff Yeah, yeah flash animation big time example Yeah, let's very really bad not but the thing is is Common now in general like for television animation in particular to use tweens But but that's the thing like tween is a technique like you can use tweens and make something really cool Not everything needs to be Uh frame by frame animated though. I definitely have a preference for that But like that's what that's that's kind of like what goanimate was leaning more into is like It's not really You are moving images So like it is animation technically But it's kind of like you've lost the spirit of what animation is meant to be Um Or what what I think it ought to be Part of the reason why arcane is so cool as a project to exist It's part of the reason why like when you look at a project like um a fox in space where it's it's like all Hand drawn to the animator looks like an 80s cartoon And it's really expressive and no single frame like it's it's never the same. It's constantly changing and dynamic It's just it was it's one of the praise in arcane or stream One well i'm about to praise 101 Dalmatians one of the most fun parts of rewatching that film Was just how expressive and fluid and bouncy all the characters were And it's just something so charming about it. I love it I Can't wait for a fox in space episode two, that's gonna be yeah, I'm super excited for that. I'm keeping an eye on it. Um, I think it's gonna be like it's gonna be feature length at this point I think I think it's gonna be about 25 30 minutes. Um Last I checked which is about two and a half times as long as the first one and I believe that the creator has said that there are like twice as many frames now in terms of the animation as well Compared to the original which is insane to think about because the original was already going above and beyond for what you would expect of a one-man project essentially Yeah, as far as I know now he's got a staff and he's using like blender and shit too. He's using blender now. Yeah, um, which is From what I I hear I hear the blender is really great And that it's and the big thing that works in its favor is it's free But that it is kind of a steep learning curve. There's a lot to learn. It's like it's not it's not for 2d animation It's it's more so for um 3d modeling Mm-hmm, but he's blended the two like seeing very well, so he's he's done a great job of that He absolutely has I will have to wait for those projects. Go ahead. Yeah, exactly Um blend you know was nuts because I remember blender was first up and coming And it was like kind of like what you would expect of like maybe of the windows movie maker of uh 3d software at the time Now it has basically Dethroned maya It's like jesus christ. Wow That's that's pretty crazy. Wow dethroned maya Yeah, actually I used maya once upon a time those Oh, wow Well, that's another story, but um, I just want to read this out specifically to theo theo. You ready? Yeah, feel like you may already know read it, but the clone wars walked so that arcane could run Oh Oh my god Well, I said I have said I'm gonna use comparisons to arcane to gaslight clone wars fans because it's everything the clone wars wishes it was Oh, no I feel like uh, it's not an apt compare like first of all clone wars was like semi serialized It was not like a hard like serialized tv show. They were art and stuff, but it yeah um What why would they be saying that though like Well, one of them is animated and the other one is also animated so they might as well be the same thing yeah One of them is the forerunner for the other despite one of them being terrible I would just expand to that point and be like, oh, yeah Batwoman walked so that arcane could run. Oh, yeah I love lucy walks so that breaking bad could run. They're both maybe that's true for you. Maybe that's true Well, I guess to a certain extent it's true all creative work is derivative in in like some sense, but I don't Yeah, listen. I don't see the Iliad walked so that the clone wars could run Oh Yeah, how far back do we want to trace all this back to back comments. He was right. You know calm down fio Go out of it is the precursor I need to like the clone wars art style is fucking repulsive I I don't agree. I don't agree. I I don't think it's repulsive, but I don't like it at all. Um the moment I started looking at how bits of characters bodies like connect it It started to terrify me Like the easy one is Ahsoka's shoulders are like sharp They are straight up right angles and you look at the way her jaw connects to her. That's what a real woman looks like I don't know. I don't know if that's true That is true. Have you seen Rosario Dawson? Is she orange? Yes The right angle she'll does The epic the epic of gilgamesh crawled So that man could rambled on at the fireplace so that arcane could run That's right I don't think that the clone was I think that I I don't think like it's a great art style, but I think that it's fine I think I'm certainly biased against it. The problem you highlight isn't with the style of that point, right? It's just the use of that style Um, like specifically because you this sounds like a problem that could be solved the uh, the body being weird, right? Um, I think well, I would call that a problem of the art style because it's arising from the sort of caricatured way In which they're trying to do things But like but I assume you would say that's an instance where it's not working meanwhile their instances where it does Uh, would I say it's like I guess depends what you mean by working because I guess Obi-Wan looks all right. Uh, I guess that's what I mean I don't think anyone looks good. I wouldn't I wouldn't say any part of it looks good. I don't think How much do you think it is relevant to talk about budgetary limitations? Yeah, that's a tough one with 3d animation. It's probably more of a factor than With all animation. It's a factor really. Um, how much money like rick and morty clearly has a big budget for its animation compared to other shows How fair is the the fifth season was almost obnoxious with how it was like time for a huge Action scene with all of our animation going crazy. And you're like, yeah Well, I remember listening to a uh, because I have the first two seasons on blu-ray I remember listening to the the audio commentary about how hard it was to uh In the total wriggle how many characters they had to design And find a way to integrate in it's like, yeah, it's so much work Um, ellie was gay. Hello goo man. Happy birthday mood are also high rags arcane is a master Hi A master piece A piece of the master Belusive this master collecting him Have you guys watched the uh, tie fighter short film by otah king animation? It's an excellent one-man animation for star wars a bit rough for the animations of people, but is otherwise excellent Oh my god I've heard it's pretty darn impressive for one person, but I don't know much about it myself I don't have a watch it, but I've heard of it. Uh, it's called tie fighter short film Yeah, I remember that that was that was incredibly impressive for one guy. Um, I remember I think the same guy did a An animation for warframe that was really cool like a hundred days of warframe Um, yeah, that's a cool one um I have to agree with rags in that the vocal tracks for me came off as super distracting Honestly, I would have loved them as instrumental note. I don't mind when it's the song where the band is framed Oh, I guess they're saying they don't mind it when it's in universe. Um I think a lot of people find it the reverse. I don't know. We'll get there. Um Uh as for as for instrumental hell, yeah, I'd be totally on board with it making an instrumental in the intro I still don't know that I'd say it works, but I think it would work Yeah, though you lose the lyrics at that point which do have meaning for the uh the images they're attached to it's it's a complicated thing, you know Yeah, again, I feel like it would have been a remedy if they had used the intro in the second episode I think it would have been fine then It only would have been better not pairing it with that prologue um He hates me he lied to me the spider man wants to be my enemy. Why would you post this? It's It might be the worst thing just Why did you do that? Like he's sitting there next to right up right next to hans and he's like, all right Uh, mr. Z. All right. Here's what's gonna. He's gonna the lyrics are he hates me. He lied to me electricity That's good. Maybe that's a keeper Are you sure about the hate on me? Yes. Yes The best part about having never played league before watching is that unlike my friends I was never sure who was going to live or die in any given scene jokes on you. I felt the same way Haha, and a lot of them were really shocking because of it also high rags Hello, look we've been over it. So it's not a spoiler. I didn't think clagger and milo. We're gonna get fucking killed I knew they weren't in the game I think they just die off that Yeah, I I had suspected that one of them was gonna die because I just I got that The vibe of a circle of friends and you know, they're showing that they could go a little rough here So all we got our four carry. Oh one one of one of these guys. They're gonna fucking die I remember you saying I didn't you thought maybe that that would be what Ranked the stakes, right? You were saying that um, yeah one of the kids dying They didn't went better than I even expected you got two Two of them got both kids and their dad Pocket sand that's not as much fun when an adult dies though Yeah When it comes to women, would you rather give them equal rights or equal left? I appreciate you all massively How about we give them both? Well, we've tried equal rights and that clearly was a mistake So let's try for equal lefts and see how that works out. I don't even know what it means, but I'm all for it. Give them both I uh only have one big quam it's that scene from later on and uh I thought I thought a thing and then it turned out the thing wasn't the thing It had me confused that will be discussed 100 percent. Nobody's going to be missing that topic Um, I always hate how people say that the beginning of something is boring. That's what you do most of the setup Look, I I get it. I don't have to be boring. I get it Uh, I understand when people were saying that one and two were but three was oof It doesn't even I would never describe one and two is bad. It's just that dare I say pacing wise and this is Can happen where you're just like That's fine. That's fine. Okay. And the thing is When you get told it might be to do culturally with like how much recommendation it gets because you watch those two episodes And you're just like this shit was fine Don't really understand why everyone's so passionately telling me to watch it Um, I think I was a completely normal reaction for everyone to have but I would hesitate in Like I don't want to be too critical of them for that the thing is as rags has just said which is very true Uh, they don't have to be that way now I wouldn't want to I don't want to claim like they're just not engaging because I was engaged I guess I was just set expectations in a particular place But you know like I'll always cite the pilot from breaking bad Where it's like, holy shit. That was a great pilot. Wow It was a movie's worth of content in one episode and it sets the stage for the entire season I don't know that they could have like nailed it more in terms of engagement. Holy fuck. What a good job But arcane's first episode have been that it's like maybe And would that be better maybe Sometimes I guess that's just kind of the folly of having a show with lots of characters There's a lot of work to do and I think they did a lot. You got a lot of work to do. Yeah um So, you know it Okay, did uh, but I still absolutely you you would have watched us presumably Gush over how good the first two episodes are for like five hours. So, you know, we think they're good I just understand that a lot of people um Weren't quite jazzed until episode three of watching a drama unfold uh I know superchats. I grew up surrounded by Number five New Zealand is here. Hi. Oh, hi, New Zealand Um Riot's handle of lol's lore is atrocious. They retconned the lore made it terrible. That's why I quit six years ago reject lol rejoin bionicle That's why you're bionic I was gonna say you quit six years ago. So it's not even the same story anymore, right? Like probably yeah Like they changed the lore, but they had good reason to do so and there was a long period of retconning But it's stable now. Like other than the stuff that they haven't yet got around to updating to the new lore They ended it with srb by the way Music doesn't fit the victorian era aesthetic. I wouldn't even cite that as the reasoning there's probably a lot of pop songs that might work depending especially because it's like steampunk and Uh sci-fi fantasy mixed in with victorian like it's it's it's this whole mashup I think you can mash a lot of things in with it including pop music Or maybe rap music Who knows what they might try uh I don't know that I would ever want to call an entire genre wouldn't fit with victorians Victorian style or influence. I don't know. I don't feel comfortable staying there because it's just especially I'm not one to like stand for pop music. I don't really care about pop music that much But I mean it's it's a pretty muller muller's lying all the time in our calls. He stands for pop music It's usually something I have to get out of the way before we can talk about anything else Yeah, so it doesn't come out. He won't tell me this. He won't admit it But radioactive by Imagine Dragons. He loves that song It's funny everyone's like saying that was the song I was like, which one is that because there's too many pop songs that I'm familiar with Welcome to the new age Yeah, yeah There's so many of those songs that I don't know who made them or what their names are, you know A great example of that is the yeah, I don't know Jeremy rena song like because people were like Jeremy rena sings I was like really and it's like, yeah, listen to his most popular song Is it not the most fucking generic pop thing you've ever heard and you listen to it? You're like, wow, that is just pop song. It's the formula. It's so interesting to think about Um But yeah, I I don't know as if I know anything about pop music as a as a Does that literally just refer to music that is popular? Uh, yes, I think that it's I think that is how the genre is fun. Imagine Baggins like Imagine Baggins Well, I guess it's interesting because pop songs from the ideas like out of you know, like It's called out of touch, right the the the Damn it Yeah, that's well, that's the song. Yeah, I really like that song That one's pop song But it's like is it pop song in the same way that imagine dragon's radioactive is a pop song because they're very different songs Yeah, and at that point just you can imagine there's gotta be some songs in that genre that you can pick from to match Yeah, sure Work so hard for you Yeah, um, like I said, we'll try and talk more about the song choices as we go through but I think we're past the most controversial one being enemy That shouldn't be controversial. It is terrible and all to give Okay, Rex Uh Very stupid chat here. I'm usually am I the only one who thought that heimading has sounded like voxsis Oh and hi rex Hi I suppose you could kind of Yeah The only thing is I I heard heiber digger extensively before I heard of voxsis at all So like he just evokes heimerdinger to me if you know what I mean, but I can totally see how you connect him to voxsis Throat my 300 pound cock. Dear boy. Oh, no You you think heimerdinger is hungerdinger Hung a donger at that point, right? hungerdonger He's known as the donger in the game the hungerdonger. Yeah, you better of the body size all right and see He's a hymen zinger. Oh my god This next one says I grew up surrounded by super jam No way really. Yeah Uh in runeterra each nation has their own money like countries iRL But they seem to follow gold greater than silver greater than coppers Oh, they actually do have their own I don't know they've actually done that I guess then at that point the idea is that the currency in the league of legends is like a universal one that It only applies to league of legends then or something like that The um like the public credits. Well, what I'm trying to imply is maybe that's how they square away that We wouldn't be seeing that money in this show and they've created a different look to it or something. I don't I don't know. I'm just I'm surprised they tackled that because uh Issues of coinage and again pre-modern societies is uh kind of a bitch to tackle I wrote an essay on it recently for uni stuff and look at me. I'm a uni nerd you Look at me. I'm young and I have dreams uni Uh, what what conclusion did you reach that it was pretty pretty? uh Coins were shit in the medieval era generally um silver content declined constantly there was never enough to go around uh the different denominations and uh fractured systems as regional locations, you know Had their own currencies working made things even worse and Then it all just went to shit when we basically just ran out of silver and nobody could mint coins anymore When did we figure it out or did we never figure it out? We figured it out when standardization became a lot easier And the process got more automated and also when we got shit loads of gold and silver from the new world Hey, thanks new world America to the rescue again. Oh my goodness When will it end? Uh speak of alcohol and he shall appear that was pretty funny. I rags drinker came in Literally on the scene with I was here for that actually. I was actually here for that. That was funny Well, hey, that's uh, that means you were here for that's a lot, right? That was like three hours I was yeah, I was here for a while. I can't like my mind is like melted where I don't even know what happened I just remember talking about arcane Which was fun It was fun. I like that show. We should do an e-fap on it. I reckon we should too. Yeah, uh might be a good idea Maybe more glad you're all covering arcane. I really felt for powder in episode three I think This I was about to say it pretty much hit everybody But I was like, no, there were some people in chat who were upset at that scene being Ruined by plot arbor or whatever, but it's just like yeah, it hits it hits hard for a lot of people It's the scene. I think that's why I didn't die too. I'm mad It it um It jump started the word of mouth. I think that scene because if you guys remember Arcane maybe it was really smart for them to release it in threes I wonder if there's some kind of definitive best way to do it, but They were like blasts of recommendations for arcane Instead of it being like if it all came out at once probably would have gone for a while But then beat it out because one episode at a time the recommendations would have probably come in at episode three Rather than one and two. I don't know. I was just thinking about how because it came out in threes, right? Which is a very strange way to do it Well, but think of it this way if three is your big stinger and you kind of know that it's the you know It's the big early episode Releasing them in threes is really maybe only in service just to get that first third out Like it doesn't really matter if the other ones are released in threes, but getting that initial Third one released. That's the big one I think so. Um I think it makes a lot of sense to have released these three as as a one thing Yes, decent choice Um Vanda's teaching methods come across as teaching what he wishes he knew at vi's age 100% I think it's not a spoiler to say from what we've seen Vanda sees himself in vi and silco sees himself in powder It's um pretty neat job. They did Yo yo e-fap crew, please do not do a kong fap. It sounds like a terrible idea and it would be your worst episode yet I feel like it could no, I think it would be a fine episode I also believe it would be any episode, but I mean if someone said it might not be Then I guess that's the end of the discussion Well, well, they don't realize if one super chatter come in saying an arcane e-fap sounds pretty cringe We wouldn't have done it Not if it might be cringe. Yeah, that's the way to go through life. Just bounce it. It's not even really peer pressure one person That's dumb. Just give up give up on everything your hopes and dreams That's dumb quit someone in their life to say that's dumb give up whenever they have an idea This sounds like a super villain origin story that that's dumb give up man What happened to him? What dream got crushed to his He's like, I am now the crusher of dreams The dark souls boss give up the crusher of dreams. Is that's dumb give up man a superhero Um He protects people from ever failing I think that was um, that was a frowning friends. That was a joke that they had. Yeah, I think so You might fail so don't Yeah, they told 3d squelting that right Uh-oh But I can't remember what that told to get out of my head man thing, but I definitely remember his reaction I don't know what to think no more man. I don't know what to think no more Get out of my head. I love how much people love that character. It's so great Well, I think the reason that secured the love for him was when it was Lyle It was a lot of douchebag voicing that faps guy and he's just like, I don't know it to get out of my head Get out of my head And then charlie tries to take the gun he can't get it runs away DJ spit, that's right If any of you didn't hear us the last few times we've done it go watch smiling friends. We recommend yeah, it's smiling friends The renaissance man, it's worth it just for the renaissance man Um Hi all episode 169 was great rat and would love more What did we do on 160 for the storytelling? Uh, I think it was because wait was that three weeks ago? 169 and then we did boba fett. What did we do last week? Oh, so yeah, it was 169. Yeah. All right. Yeah, okay Um, they go on to say trungos and chickpea crumbo Grumbo, I think nearly killed me in 170. I'd love to stick around for arcane, but not finished it yet. Have a great time also high wags Hello The chickpea grumbo was perfect on top of it being called trungos. I'm very glad that was this Yes, hope you have fun with the show. We had a super chat come in And then I recently saying that they actually stepped out to watch the whole show and they're back now What did you think? um I grew up surrounded by super chats another one I'm not upset about that. Okay. I don't think any of us last five Uh, no three hours and almost done with episode one. I love if yeah We got we got three of them done. That's a record true of it Um, and you know what it's interesting to think about because we've we've gone further with this than we did with quit game falcon went to soldier You know, like it can you be like, oh why and it's like, I guess What else can I say that there was that much shit we wanted to talk about that's the show? It's gotta be a sense of something of a praise for the show that three episodes can take us for a full big episode And it's worth noting that it was a restrained conversation as well because we were refraining from linking forward too much Which yes, that'll explode the longer we go It's a good way Uh, check out lock and all is lost the single actor movies. The main character of lock is quite an interesting character Interesting Yeah, you know that sounds interesting should act it out. Uh Um shimmer in this show is very relevant to our world's opioid slash drug crisis. It's shown to have very useful medical properties Um, but it causes addiction and violence in the community Yes, uh, we can talk more about that as well, especially when we hit episodes six Yeah, I think it's a lot of that About damn time I knew you dumbos would love this show and I knew you couldn't resist a full breakdown Although I didn't expect a two-parter But since it was mentioned I predict a second part is imminent a shame I don't appear as a prophet on this super chat catch-up stream though Well Uh play ddlc Um, it could very well be three parts. It'll really depend because uh, there'll be a lot to say It'll just depend ij I imagine with all of the groundwork played. We may be going quicker, but who knows maybe Could also mean we're going slow Yeah, because we're linking back. Yeah, we'll we'll do a lot of linking back Uh, hi, jay. I've rewatched your video about six times on the weird guy who doesn't pee in a bottle. It was good. Hi rags Hello, I'm allah. Thanks for being alive. Oh, that's nice Yeah, good job on that. Yeah um Yeah, the jays video uh for those who don't know released an hour long sort of breakdown on react content And um, well jays jays perspective on it being done, right being done wrong I saw that video is a good in ye Uh, jays must have made the sandwiches first then went to the undercity then picked up katlyn then planned to eat the two sandwiches together I'm assuming the sandwiches are for him and katlyn. I don't know There are two of them. He left the sandwiches in the room because you know, what am I going back to the room and i'm hungry Yep If you were they even on a plate or were they just there? They were just sitting on some maps None of them know what happened Well, you see he eats the sandwiches in the scientific method He eats them in theory I grew up surrounded by nuggets asan Do that be the thing that he's More left ringy j. Theo and drinker are all on together and are from the city of england england is their city This is awesome. Komodo hype Ha Yeah, I'm gonna agree. Of course. I love the city of england. Of course Uh, the zander dude who debated rags on the ion fury all those years back was in jay's last vid and duma beefed with him on twitter Small world and high rags Hi, what does zander hold once? Yeah, I think so a long time ago Um, what? Pig puncher he certainly hasn't impressed me Well, uh, was that his username? It was. Yeah. Um, what now why why? I don't know. I'm sure tomless. It only wants to actually punch Little cute little pigs doing anything Is it a meme of like punch? I actually don't know why anybody would ever Leave the pig alone. Don't punch pigs. What's wrong with you? That what what is wrong with you punch pigs? What are you doing? I'm freaking about to start a war I was just charging at you to eat you, but otherwise. Well, maybe maybe yeah, maybe you deserve it Boys do that. Boys ain't pigs at all. I guess I don't know. I just I just think it's that's not a bright lad Well, I was gonna say the spheres are kind of interesting actually there's there's just spread over all over the place Only different people who know all these different people because I'm sure someone has said to jay like you understand That er has been on e-fap, right and he literally killed the whole world. So Isn't that something that you should consider, you know, just like there's all these different strange connections or different people all over the place Entangled, you know, this this bar in tango remember when he added that Well, and the thing is like everyone meets each other in different ways So, you know, it can easily be an antagonistic approach or just a friendly one You never know what's gonna happen So it could be the your your nemesis Best friends with your your closest Friendo and then a big drama war happens. That sounds like a shadow of the hedgehog origin story. Probably is No, not here What else does he say they're like doesn't he's like a name of Maria Yeah, I think I don't know man. Yeah, like this I did always like oh Your shadow and and you're a hedgehog. They must be mistaking me for you going around being a criminal. Oh, wow That sounds so awesome It's great. They have a conflict And then And then he falls down to We're talking about Oh The icon picture is like spaceship being called the crystal of death or something like that and He like crafted from the bones of dinosaurs or something. You're just like why but you know, I'm sure It's important to the character, I'm sure yeah um The first problem I found was the team getting down from jayce's blown up apartment. How did they get onto the street without being caught and why Well, so the fact that they showed us them climbing up buildings to begin the adventure sort of thing I assume They can climb down. Yeah, they'll find ways to get down and they probably didn't come down from that building I imagine they crossed over the different ones first um But then they said and why So are you asking why they would have come down instead of staying up? I assume because they want to try and get back to the undercity I assume that they know hardcore parkour. Yeah Um, my girlfriend wouldn't watch the show with me because of the characters eyebrows What eyebrows I don't know pretty solid reason to not watch a tv show I don't know if anybody has an explanation for that or can think of one eyebrows Like eyebrows just the person doesn't like eyebrows at all But Is that what it's all we've got I guess it is Yeah, are they are they anti eyebrows in general or just these particular eyebrows are unacceptable? Is it like they were moving too much? A couple people are saying is it my lows like my low is big eyebrows But I don't know how it's just a goofy looking person. Yeah, it's a bit. Well, I actually think strange guy There's a reason they made him a little goofy looking. I think that Would become more clear as the episodes go on but that's for later I suppose, but yeah, I don't know. Uh, that's I don't know why he's a rat human hybrid He's twitch Uh, why do people keep calling fringy a bird? He's clearly a mosquito Uh, that's why you're more defamatory I'll take fringy's race It's probably at least one friendly mosquito out there, right ring. I'm sure that there are plenty of friendly mosquitoes Disney needs to make that movie The friendly many mosquito. I I miss the mosquito. This is my show. I eat the blood But only like bad blood it gets it right out and saves you Yeah, that's right He sucks out your aids exactly I ate the blood. I saved your life. I love you So And then when he when the guy's like you're fired, he just sucks him totally dry just like And then turns it to a skeleton All the skin turns to dust Also bonjour to rags Oh bonjour And leather commander and critical eater either of them are here now because we are But nearly 10 hours, so Leather commander at rags. Do you think that hey, um, who is that? Is that a spoiler? Let's see Hmm. Okay. We I think we're all right Just don't you know the answer doesn't need to regard anything but the first three episodes Rags, do you think powder being a marksman is contradictory to the gang seeing her as useless to the team? She seems pretty useful to me I don't think that if you were a group like that I'm not sure that you would want to be going out with guns To shoot people that seems like it would cause far more problems than it would um It would create Uh, is it strange that someone that young with a gun that doesn't appear to have sights just has insanely good accuracy certainly unlikely but No, we we we we brought that up to that, uh, especially having ish nail every single shot When we first see a shoot how amazing It's the it's the kind of thing I wouldn't expect arcane to do They usually like like with vi they usually show like look at her talent and skill Doesn't mean she's invincible and in the equivalent with accuracy. I would feel is like Oh, you hit 80 percent unless unless it's a minigun and then she ain't hitting shit Um, I think that she tends not to miss with like The pistol but she still misses with that later on as well Um, honestly, I think the worst instance of it is literally when she was a kid Um, which I just see is the anomaly and I don't know why they did it that way other than to sort of just be like look She's pretty good with that Uh, but I agree. I don't I don't know how much that would come in handy in the usual antics the fact that she's a good gunslinger Yeah, there doesn't seem to be many guns Uh, you don't see many guns in the um, I almost said the underworld the down in the lanes as much So Yeah I gotta you gotta fuck mary kill, but it's just regarding post episode three things And so we'd have to talk about characters and so we're just gonna give that one for now But you'll oh my goodness Perhaps get it answered as we go on uh looks at Mengala plus unit 731 Unbound science equals scary Like dr. Mengala. Is that an scp or something or? No, that's uh, Nazi scientist. Oh, I'm sorry. I meant unit 731. I don't know what that right now That's that's some lovely 721. Yeah, that's uh, they did some crazy, uh bad things Little bit fucked up Metal, did you know that birthday is your city? Pretty strange sequence of superchance the person who keeps talking about cities, but okay I hope you had a wonderful 40th birthday mel. I'm sure he did He seems to have enjoyed it Drinker, did you know that scotland is your city? All right Uh, I don't know. Uh, haven't played lol, but I thought victor would be a stereotypical bad guy because of his russian accent Love my ass off. I get glad I was wrong He's much more cartoonish in the game but uh He won't be if they provide all of this fucking flesh I like you He he used to be in the law, uh his dynamic with jace used to be a lot more black and white And they knew that that was an issue. So they, uh, tried to gray it out a bit Uh, and that's that's where a lot of well, you know What my understanding of victor as a character is informed by where like He's not some evil mastermind and take over the world or anything. Just he just wants to do his job Just wants to do his job and he has some strange opinions perhaps on that Oh, I think he like yeah, he wants to do more than his job But I think like he really does want to be more than just an assistant to heimerdinger Yeah, yeah, he he has dreams and yeah, well, we'll talk about that. It all comes up. Um I don't think mola knows the england is my city meme. So the thing is Whether or not I know that meme doesn't actually really make much of a difference when all you say over and over again Is it good as your city? He's like, okay It would be like posting pita, but a jelly time over and over again. I'm like okey dokey bed. Yo It is Does anyone who wins peanut butter jelly time or dr. Tran dr. Tran Uh, you haven't yet over 3 000 of dr. Tran That's all right. It's not that's all right. That's fine Does anyone else think I dash lou's voice is sexy That would be Grayson's voice Grayson, um Sexy, I don't think sexy by the way Grayson's one of my favorite characters in the show. Um, I it's a very recognizable voice I wouldn't call it sexy But I wouldn't call it unsexy necessarily. I would go as far as saying I love the voice Not really what I love the voice There's a pleasantry to it Yeah, like a grandma like it's it's very matronly Which I like quite a bit I could see it in a sexual context working but Not generally no In episode three when powder says my sister left me then silco looks at vanda's body But doesn't say anything that said so much to me. He was slash is so well realized and characterized. It's unreal And it's the kind of shit we advocate for Constantly just take the chance sometimes to understand that your audience will figure it out Yeah, they'll get they'll catch on to more than you think probably And if they don't they'll they will eventually because someone else will and they'll tell them And I know it sounds bizarre. It's actually something that blanket has brought up before Sometimes you'll pick this shit up and enjoy it and not even like consciously have put it together mechanically It's a very strange experience brain Such a brain dude. Honestly, it kind of fascinates me because I've been noticing it more and more With stuff that I enjoy. I'm like, man. I really like this scene Why and then I think about it for a while and I'm like, oh, is it that is it that is that and then my brain is like That was what it was. Yeah, you figured it out You solved yourself out you figured yourself out. Good job. Yeah The same thing happens with like shit stuff as well, right? We like a scene happens, you know, like wow, I hated that I'm not even sure why yet and then you your brain is like, let's have a sit down Hey, brain, why don't you have a seat right there? Oh god Uh, Fringy is totally into googles sometimes literally Well, he's not denying it so The only way we can just get up to this guy he's on a list several I just watched 171 and for your information in august james gunn confirmed on twitter that walrus saw flag as a Sacrificial lamb. I hate it thoughts. I rags What? So, um, that's fine that you want to get it to that point, but I feel like you have to In that surely you have to give us something Because you know that that means that the interpretation would be that she really did know that that team was being sacrificed Uh, which is something like a pointless. Yeah, this is the thing we we could talk for a while about how That's kind of just shit. Why wouldn't you just send like three of them then and send the rest with the actual team? What's the point in wasting so many people? Secondly, it kind of betrays how she acts in the scene I think so I'd have to rewatch it to be sure about that. Um, because I always thought that it could go either way depending on what I always well, I'd have to see it again, too But I am pretty darn sure that when she gets the news that the first team is being amba. She is not pleased with that She's kind of like she's like surprised Well, she seems to be pretty fucking upset that uh weasel drowning as well It's like, why would she give a shit then? Um, because I just assumed that fucks the mission up to some degree being whatever What I wanted to say was just that uh, I think that I don't like Suicide Squad. All right, but I think rick flag deserves something for why she would kill him Like you can't just kill now. She'll kill him. It's like But why like it seems really unnecessary when he does everything she says And he's like the only one there that's can be trusted more so because the rest of them would kill her if they had the chance I don't know Wait, what's that? You just what are we talking about? Suicide Squad? Yeah, uh, so apparently james gun confirmed that she was indeed sacrificing Uh rick flag. No way. All right. Death of the author. Well, I I was talking about so that if he's correct I I will see this thing. I see it as a flaw at that point if he's correct um Because I don't think that you've you've explained that at all to it You can't just have a character betray someone else and just be like, oh, they they portrayed the Well, yeah, that's what I wanted the utility of betraying them needs to exceed the utility of naught I'm not even talking about that. I need to know why Why the hell would she do that? It doesn't make any sense that she would do that I don't think you because if you had like any kind of scene to give it to us that he's been sort of more and more like Sappy lately and he hasn't been taking the orders and he's been kind of compromising missions and he's even threatened something about You know the way walla conducts missions and you could even have that like through he's like walla. We're made and then she's like You know, she says something that you could interpret as either threatening or Engaging and you could have him like realize what she's done to him sort of thing You're like, oh that that that can work and and you can maybe have him talk to harley about it because fuck me She should have been with the characters talking to them about things Those two have been in the suicide squad since it was created Just kind of reminding me of how There are things I don't like in that How does this play in with waller's willingness to kill all of our own people in the first movie? Oh, fuck. Yeah, that was definitely stupid because Because that's the thing that comes to mind because it's so stupid And it just makes like no sense whatsoever And it's just the the dumbest fucking thing just to show that wow. She is bad That I I don't even know how to factor something like that into a discussion like this Like how do you take that and just do anything with it? That's that's nuts Um, if you have an eye infection, that's oh wait, we read that one out at the time Um, it's a syringe. He's letting toxin out of his eye No Nope, all right. I'm trying to figure out the sentence first. Hang on So it's a syringe. He's letting toxin out of his eyes He's had since episode one before shimmer was a thing Hmm I always assumed it was injecting something Not yeah, he is I don't know that I don't know that we've seen it before shimmer was a thing I think we had a proto shimmer of some kind that he could have been using He had the device so I assume there was some process he was using That was the other medicines before shimmer Like the only question I have left to make sure this does line up is when she Injects him two times it goes flimpy. It goes a little flimpy when she injects him Yeah, every time Yeah, okay. Well, it's a bit of a flump and a purple flash Yeah, because I haven't seen that seen long enough like a whole day so that I can't quite remember anymore Briny, did you know that simpsons is your city? I mean I don't know if that was work, but The piece silent Okay, silent like when you write it as well silent letter and written. Oh, okay Well, everything's silent when you write it, right? Um, no, I mean the silent letter when you write it means you don't write it Oh Oh, okay. I see what you mean. We're we're just having a we're just having a We we're having a little fun with our literature and our writing Was the quote we're gesting until we laugh Something yes, that was terrible. I'm laughing on the inside constantly on the outside A little bit a little giggle we bit of a giggle Uh I grew up surrounded by four balls on the edge of a cliff I do remember that how could I forget I made you there's lots of ways I had to hear it that many times to try and decipher what it meant and I still don't even know also Uh, when jinx stabs his face blood comes out I mean that can happen with either stabs his face Yeah, like if you if you're injecting something versus Bleeding something blood can come out in both of those. So that's not really yeah If you have a syringe and you were to get jabbed by it in your face You would bleed vaccines, right? I mean they put a little thing on here to to make sure it doesn't bleed too much When they put out so it makes sense Uh, if vaccines make you bleed back make you bleed, but they're for you I'm just saying the science doesn't line up. I'm very skeptical Well, I've heard that you're supposed to eat food to survive yet as anybody live past like 150 I don't think so. What if food is just slowly poisoning us and it takes like 80 years Let me tell you man. I'm thinking I've been thinking about that food It's just what other lies have the jedi told us I've been having a look at oxygen too. I don't think that's getting away with it. I'm very curious about that one Oxygen is definitely a um Okay, so this says it goes to show how awful a father vander was to have powder so over reactive to Staying home for a job never even talks to the girl He never even talks to the girl. I don't know that um, so he talks to the lot of them when uh He first is giving like a comment, but it's uh, he considers vi to be leading them So we we see specific advice scenes with him and her but I don't think we're supposed to assume He never speaks to powder. I doubt that I don't know why we would assume that Uh, I would also assume he does actually talk to milo and clagga and it would have been nice to see those scenes But I'm not I don't know the you know the show Ose me those scenes or anything. I can interpret that they're there. I'm not No, I have to interfere a lot of stuff um Here reacting that way to staying home for a job dude, that is it's we went over there is so much more happening Mentally in that scene than simply I can't go on a job Got the first time ever by her like most supportive element in her life has confirmed that milo Is correct in that she is not uh good enough to take on a on a job that's actually like matters significant degree She's not ready about they were right Exactly like there's a lot more going on there than simply you can't go out today And also he's not gonna be able to talk to her about that part because he's currently kidnapped Uh That wouldn't stop a good father. Yeah Was a big fan of the last Trongo slash wombo stream It was uh, it's a bit childish, but I enjoy silly bullshit talk. Please cover cinemas in's against nothing childish about trungos You take that back I'm more than happy to say that trungos is a child at heart because they know how to have fun and enjoy things But ultimately they still operate in a Society very that doesn't mean they're childish But a child at heart. I can see that I there is a little child in all of us. I think a bit childish No, I'm acceptable Find that you're being a bit childish right I'm not Um, you're a bit childish And I'm more than happy to be so fun to have a little bit of a childish nature mystical fantastical mystical I need to find that c.s. Lewis quote where he said something um Something about the worry of being childish makes you childish and whatnot. Um, I think I know the one you're talking about Let me see Critics or something something to desire being grown up for the for the sake of being grown up something along those lines He said critics who treat adults as a term of approval instead of as a merely descriptive term cannot be adult themselves To be concerned about being grown up to admire the grown up because it is grown up to blush at the suspicion of being childish These are the things that are the marks of childhood and adolescence and in childhood and adolescence They are in moderation healthy symptoms young things ought to want to grow But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood This concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development When I was 10 I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so Now that I am 50 I read them openly when I became a man I put away childish things including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up I like it. This is a good one I like that quote. I like that. I like that. I give it a thumbs up If you were dead, I would pull up on the telephone That modern marvel and I would say I agree Nice one C C s. Well, I wonder what do his friends call him Mr. C Maybe he didn't have friends Because he was always going on about Wisdom and childishness and growing up and so everyone's like god damn see us We just we just want to have lunch at trungo. So I can't you just just tell them what you want Just read the menu. Ah, yes the menu and he would go on and on about something There he goes again There he goes again You know what just give him the ham sandwich with chips on the side and uh And I'll have an iced tea Um unsweet. They said please cover cinemasins again so that we can hear some more Trongos, I don't think cinemasins is responsible for trongo cinemasins does Trongo exists outside of cinemasins in spite of trungos doesn't like cinemasins Pretty sure Um god speed Averside squad and beware the big gay Um echo in the fire lights with the coolest design faction I'd like to have seen more of their story if the plot had the time to also skyboards Pretty cool skyboards Imagine studying league Tempur tantrum so closely in order to animate powders tantrums so beautifully that's dedication Yes, they could have gotten that from any of the players is true Uh, hi evap crew How do you objectively critique movies that rely harshly on symbolism such as many art films or the work of david lynch? um So the the I don't know the quickest answer I can give for that would just be When you're facing a scene that can have multiple interpretations You just talk about each one being the potential Like, you know a character walks into a room and then butterflies come out the other end It's like, okay What happened, you know, like what does it mean? And I think you can talk about Um How this this world has that as a capability and that what it to be drawn from it Refers to this that and the other we talk about themes all the time which are oftentimes In a certain sense outside of the content itself. Yeah. Yeah, like We'll talk more about that the fear that we go on with with arcane, but like it's not necessarily a Like a something that's narratively like I put this It's just something that can exist outside of it But if it would disappear like none of us knew about it the story will still function just fine. So you can You know, we talk about it all the time Regardless the uh the parts where you do interpretation. I think you can do that while trying to be reasonable The giving like someone's not good when he comes out the other end his butterflies. I'm pretty sure that's capitalism. It'd be like Try harder You know, I don't even I wouldn't even say that I just be like, what are you even trying to do? Like what what is what is the goal here? um But when you have like references that are much more solid Including you can have a reference to the creator's intention. I would just go as far as saying, okay That's that's a neat confirmation that they tried to do the thing Yeah, it needs to be in the thing is most important. Yeah Um, but we can appreciate thing and a lot of things don't fall into the like the objective category some things just don't They just don't factor into it. So not every don't feel that everything needs to Some things just don't some things are just kind of out there And there's no way to really evaluate it in that in that sense But they can be talked about discussed appreciated. You could still, you know, get your references and get your explanations, but Sometimes you just can't do much with it otherwise But you shouldn't have to because there's a lot of value in it already just being able to discuss it and talk about it It's my birthday, but no trungo grumbo just work Oh You'll get that grumble one birthday without trungo's gumbo I don't think about that before I said it Um, I think it doesn't make much sense that she puts in three gems when she knows what one did to a whole building Seen still great. Love her joy. Hi ragu Hi So I suppose the problem would be that uh this is a Child who's imagined that he needs a powerful blast to be able to hit the enemy team I think you can you can allow for that's a mistake. She's made Um I think it's all encompassing in the fact that it's a huge fucking mistake because she didn't think it through To be fair, I think you could make this argument even if she used one And I think it would still be the same response, which is just she did not think that through Yeah, honestly, she's just kind of a kid that's just dumping things into things to try and make some things happen Like you saw how she just Like hastily just dropped a bunch of nails into a can and everything like she wasn't really thinking how many nails Doesn't need to only stun this guy. She's just And just drops them all in there all of them As much as she can just spilling some on the floor, but yeah, she just doesn't really care too much She just needs it to work and she'll just drop a bunch in She's just good. We don't think about these things too much. Do we know what wall it hits episode one? In relation to the building Uh I'd have to go back and look you might be able to tell but I'm not certain I know the orientation of her and the platforms and the rooms But the outside of the building in terms of like northeast southwest. I I don't know. I'm trying to Because like obviously vi is still in the building when it explodes and she does survive Easily as well and they all do and they're just outside. So I'm curious now like If it went off in the room that powder was in But I'm trying to like it's hard to know. Is it on the wall facing the outside or is it the Um, it's hard to tell from what we see and it's also hard to tell how much is explosion and how much is smoke Uh I'm just looking at it now and it's like it is a bit Unclear, uh, it looks like it would have blown up a room And then that the the rubble and the destruction from Yeah, I think it is in it is in the room powder was in I think that's what we're supposed to assume And then like a bunch of the rubble as a result of the explosion comes down on the sidewalk. I think Breaks the structural integrity of the place. Yeah, um But you we should also assume that I you know, I'm looking at it. I'm pretty sure. Yeah that it's bouncing It's going to hit the the window side of the room that powder was in So that room's wiped out jace is knocked out and By almost like I think she fell over So Maybe powder concluded that that explosion won't be big enough to knock out silco and his goons Especially the shimmer one you'd have to just imagine. That's what she she thought Um, that's the best I got. Yeah, I can't think of anything else just uh She definitely made a mistake by putting in any explosion I don't the first explosion hits the exterior wall with the door that jace is at is located I don't think we're supposed to think that it hits next to that door Because the explosion looks like it goes off to the right side of um Of uh of of bife, but maybe I'm wrong. It's it's a little bit hard to tell Um You just like to see spider. I mean powder suffer Oh, yeah, she could have become spider-man I just I just all children Oh, and they did the end of by the way with still great scene love her joy. Hi ragu Hello, that was a really good scene. It's what makes it super tragic because she thinks she's about to be celebrated for No mattering and doing well Ain't that uh fringy, did you know london is your country? Yeah That doesn't sound accurate london the country. I think you got to get you london is my country Um Yo, that's that's his response. I'm sorry. I don't I don't do anything. I have a friend in london London is a friend of mine Please no lie on this street I have a lot of food and I will eat it up. I will chew and then I'll food and then I'll It's fine. We'd stop Finally a piece of content. No not content art that actually commits to the drama and stakes it sets up no punch is pulled Blessed are we truly? Oh I pray yeah That is high praise Um, just using this as a platform to plug got a war on pc It's an excellent experience and you owe it to yourself to play it also high rags if you're back He is Hello, I am back. I am now absolutely Uh speaking from experience when dealing with loss people don't act in character Especially right after your mental foundation is ripped from under you. I don't think you need You don't even need to cite personal experience when you see someone go through something like that And the culprit is right in front of them and you say yes, but the culprit is the one they love it's like Uh-huh Like that doesn't help that I am extremely pissed about this situation Well now that I know that it's the person that care about that makes it much better that everyone else is dead Um Hello fringy my australian au Oh, hey So clagger and milo got fridged for the sake of the whammy's development What a disgusting racism zero out of ten That's an interesting one not really because fridging I don't care about but more so in the meta again Like the people who are really anti-fridging. What do they think about arcane? But I'm actually gonna take a hot take that I don't think it's good That's the thing we we we we talked about it sometime on that stream But I just like if they actually said well, yeah, that's that's fridging. That's bad It's disrespectful to the characters of milo and lager or something. I should be like What does it mean for it to be disrespectful for? Yeah, because they do they go out doing the best they can to help people they love like I wouldn't opt to your respect Hey guys go to movie suggestion Bell a modern retelling of beauty and the beast gorgeous animation great score well told the themes aren't original by any stretch But executed in such a way that keeps you invested. All right bell, huh? How to fell into a sawlack pit. She's jinx now Simple as that I'm pretty interesting comparison, right? Whole episodes well, I I feel like they put just as much work into powder turning into jinx as they did boba-fet turning into Whoever the fuck he is now Boba-fet vision to turning into Booba fat, I think a lot of people called it Yeah, booby fat booby fart Uh, one of the problems I have with arcane is that factors like silco's goons or echo's group should invest in guns and they don't powder's group should invest in guns I feel like that assumes a lot of things Well, that assumes their ability to get them and they're if I was in their group I would not want guns if I get caught I don't want to be caught with a gun and I don't want to use a gun because I feel like in these Situations that would cause way more problems than it would solve Trying to think of like I don't need to be going around killing people Like beating them up is one thing but going out and killing people The thing is This is gonna be talking about things that have much more post episode three Obviously someone in silco's group is using a gun constantly a big one. Um So I suppose the question is why I wouldn't Want more guns around with different people if you're going to allow who with one that's You know catastrophic potentially Um as for echo's group, I don't think they're interested in guns the fact that I'll say this echo's opening gambit If you will for the the fight is to please everyone not kill them Looks like he's willing to kill people if push to that extent, but I don't think he wants to kill people As for silco's goons. We can talk more about that when we get to those episodes, I suppose But um, I do agree though with rags point as well. It's uh, If you're just a goon, it's a good old fashioned goon Uh, you might get roughed up by enforcers when they come around here and there But if you're a goon with a gun, you might get in a quite a bit more trouble Uh, yeah, it it escalation that you don't necessarily need at all Yeah, that exists more likely Yeah I don't think it's completely to hurt you than it is to help you out Um, but I think it's a fair thing to ask and we can talk more when we get more references Uh, when will you guys be covering the legend of vox machina? I feel as though if the I feel as if the show is the opposite of this show But everyone is giving it blind praise. I've not even heard of it Is that show being made based on a dnd campaign or something, right? I don't know anything That's what I've heard like a Like like a book you'd buy for dnd one of them Like the the mini campaigns you get the I don't know if they're called um Because for whether it's pathfinder or dnd You could buy like mini adventures that come with all the characters And all the like settings and stuff so that you could sit down and play them and it's all pre-made Is it like one of those? I think it's supposed to be a home group campaign. I don't know Probably shouldn't say anymore because I don't actually know Neither do I Are y'all gonna talk about cad bane doing the bully maguire dance in book of boba fat He put some dirt in cob's eye really stings doesn't it little sheriff jr That'd be pretty funny if he was doing the uh the bully maguire dance I'll get our coverage of cad bane soon enough Yeah, well tomorrow might be uh, that might be optimistic Try Uh, we'll see well after this stream ends whenever that is. Oh get to work on it. Yeah The long boy Yeah, you should check out the just stop vid on rick and morty and its inconsistencies. I'd love to see him on here someday If that that might be a video pass through may recommend it a lot I might be halfway through it. I'm not sure if it's made by just stop, but I was interested about it his thesis Uh fringy is that the show falls apart from the season three premiere? No, no, no He has some arguments that I found interesting Well, that I I would certainly be up for listening But uh, that is certainly not a perspective I hold right now Um, what I would argue at the very least is because he basically his whole point is that the show has become more inconsistent as it goes along Um, whether or not that is true and then it begins at the season three premiere I would still argue the quality of the jokes doesn't deteriorate until later Um, but I still think it's very important that they were any character Well, uh, I think it was pretty jarring right like some of the episodes I showed you versus some of the newer ones like amazing. Yeah, it's like everything. Yeah, they were shit It's like new people decided to write it. Um, I don't I didn't I don't even think I cracked a smile once I just noticed because I clicked over to discord. You've got your animated doggo back up Yes Mega thematic I've had him up, but uh, of course I had to head out for a while so Didn't do a lot of talking if I wasn't here You did a lot of sterling into my soul though I think uh, yeah, that's some character. Yeah Uh, whoever come on. Yes, uh the um, like I said, I found the argument's interesting and he He does say as well that he believes that they made the decisions they made to keep the show going Um, instead of reaching some kind of more logical end point So what I would say to him is just like, oh, yeah, that that's probably that if I agreed that they were inconsistencies That at least there's a motivation That's like better than not a motivation of all just incompetence in terms of like, uh Come on write jokes because you're not fucking funny, you know, which seems to be the epidemic that show is experiencing um Yeah, uh, if that's the video then I I recommend people check it out. It's an interesting Perspective on rick and moody and he seems to be like really into the show Um Because I was definitely against the ideas at first and then I was like, oh, I can okay. I'm seeing something here. All right I haven't finished yet though. I'm curious what he has to say about the latest he's Intourist he really hates pickle rick Okay And uh his argument is about the therapist specifically He thinks that like everything you could draw out of the show yourself is put like front and center and written I'm inclined to agree with that I remember enjoying what she said but now looking back. I'm like, maybe that is true that that's like Just the writers being like this is the character by the way Well, it just feels like an acknowledgement It's kind of I remember it was like a meme that they had that only showed this Smart could be this stupid and it's like that's kind of a fun way to describe rick and moody This is kind of clever and it's also kind of stupid at the same time But it almost feels like that was the point when they started to realize that that was the interpretation people had at the show And maybe it influenced the way that they approached the writing This is unlike it could never just be a dumb little premise. You know, they always had to be some broader Uh This is for realism they locked powders va in the booth now I don't know if that's a joke or not because it's not That crazy I'm just like you What are you saying? Is that a joke or is that like they they did it to try and do something? I don't know The ends justify the means Don't know how that would factor in necessarily Uh, I I started rewatching an episode for the soundtrack got so absorbed in it that I forgot I had other arrangements and kept watching the remaining episode will never get a rat like this anytime soon Well appreciate them as they come right What we're here for yep Be happy you got them at all Wow, do you guys hate anything? It's just funny because if you follow you for right now, you'll get back-to-back coverage of arcane and booga booga for a little bit That's just the most Oh They're just they're different. They're built different, you know Sailor falcos it's a little bit Big ups liquid richard Hell yeah Yeah, yeah Uh, it was all right Definitely worth my saturday. I enjoyed the characters more toward the end, but still didn't feel enough Uh, I guess Fine, we just won't develop it. They say that they felt vi wasn't developed enough Really? Oh, sorry. This is a quote and they said this is from a future ex-friend about arcane Uh also high rags Hello Does the new control mode in apex excite you rags? Control mode. I don't know anything about it honestly. Anyway, is that the three teams versus three teams one? I think I think it is. I'm not sure. I just I haven't given it much thought at all. I don't know I don't really care. Um, maybe it'll be neat. Maybe it won't I just I just don't know I haven't thought about it. You know what rags? It's fair. That is your perspective. Hey, it's all right Speaking of musicals. Have y'all seen 1776? No, no, I haven't no What's that about? I can guess but I can guess as well. Um, no, I haven't seen it. No Don't say I have Prayed of us have seen it. I apologize Um In political news, okay, there's no commas here. So I don't know how I'm supposed to read this In political news rags or in political news rags does not respond mpbuh what the fuck does that stand for? Anyone mpbuh Going cap. So I assume it stands for something. Is it an organization? mpb mpbuh Um standard reflexive response whenever the names of Allah or Muhammad or uttered Family chart of the holy prophet. Isn't it uh, peace be upon him? Isn't that what the acronym means? May peace be upon oh, yeah, that would line up. Oh, yeah, everyone's saying in chat as well. Okay. Yeah, all right so in political news Rags may peace be upon him has not responded to the greetings from the real bbc on real bbc leaving many highs unragged Do not trust gofund me Oh, well, no, you shouldn't trust gofund me, but also um, I I was well they Yeah, oh, sorry. Wait. Did you want to know? I assume you want to know the context of gofund me. So I was going to explain that for real bbc. So go ahead Wait I'm not even sure I know the gofund me. What is it? Oh, is it the the truckers thing in canada the trucker? Yeah, so there was a there was a fund for the canadian truckers and everything and then gofund me just decided I don't like them. So we're going to take your money and we're going to donate it elsewhere wherever we choose and I think like later on they They they they said they were going to do that after people were all like, okay What the fuck dude? Well, yeah, because that's and then they said, okay, now we're giving it back And I think but I feel like they if nobody raised a stink. I think they probably would just straight up Oh, absolutely. I wanted and it was like nine million that they took it was a huge amount of money that they were just gonna Pass out to charities that were Yeah, they they's collaborating with local authorities to Oh, yeah, we're just gonna take fun. I just unfund the whole thing. That is um I yeah, I would never touch gofund me ever again after shit like that Yeah, never touch gofund me again. That is some like spooky shit that they'll yeah, fuck that Play favorites like that. It's like nah, fuck you um as for the Uh, the thing about real bbc. It's just funny. There's a lot of real bbc Super chats that literally will just be about a comic or whatever subjects come up, but it'll just end in high rags I'm more than happy to be on the real bbc to answer all of the hellos and greetings and salutations You'll have to do it like a machine gun from here Yeah, um, I I'll for for all of those that I missed hello I I but I I wasn't there so You know, that's that's what happens, unfortunately I wish I could have been there to say hello to all the people, but that's all right. That is a okay Thoughts on the metaverse all Yeah, they're stock fell I don't have anything to say about it really. What about you guys? I don't know anything about the metaverse myself Stock fell by like 20% one day yep Because uh, facebook is now losing users for the first time ever. I heard that. Yeah, nice Nice To be fair, I would say the same for twitter and whatever else I just yeah, it's oh, yeah Um Tell me how fortnite isn't the metaverse you can't Really know the matter as far as like It's everything. Uh They are like major pop culture pandering like big time pop culture pandering you can play as uh, you can play as Rick and morty and you can get schwifty and oh man cool I've seen videos of spider-man The spider-man in fortnite and it looks pretty cool. Like they've got better web swinging In fortnite for spider-man than they did for spider-man in the avengers game It's true. It's better. It just is Yeah, my favorite thing in video games ever is to do spider-man swinging and using grappling hooks So when that was announced, I'm like, okay. God So I need to try it No, no, you don't buy fortnite. It's free to play feel so much. I know I mean besides I had a I had a fortnite account that was extremely old and so I jumped back in like yep swinging on the webs This is a lot of fun. Damn it Uh, wow, I started watching the whole series 30 minutes into this e-fab and I just finished it and you guys are still talking about it Don't you have lives jk? Badly not Yeah, what did you do you like it? I find it super interesting the idea that you start watching the stream You're like, I want to get this now come back. You're like Oh, okay. What a legendary experience you must have Possibly I did see someone say they watched it and didn't think it was very good as a result of Wait, what? Arcane. Yeah, it's Really, I would I would legitimately be curious to hear someone who didn't like it because it's fine to not like things There are things about arcane. I don't like and That that's okay But it's so solid to the point where you're like, yeah, I really do want to hear the opposite end of things Yeah, I'm I'm curious which parts you don't like To the point that you didn't like it Like in general, I suppose um Because there's a there's a lot of variety here Not just in visually Locations and places that things, you know happen in right you don't get set fatigue ever but I am curious because the the characters and what they're doing are so different Um, you know Jason victor's issues and the council issues are far different than The stuff other characters might be doing they're they're totally different in terms of how they feel and what's happening So with the incredible variety you get I would be curious to see um Why they didn't like it Well, maybe as time goes on we will find a little bit more insight Mola, please read the wings quotes for rags. Thank you very well What one I am a 450 pound man. I can barely walk my life can't get much worse. Yeah, that's the iconic one Thanks, think of that What do I think about that quote? I I feel sorry for him, but then I realized well He really is to blame 100 in me. He might be the one that's responsible for it. We can never know Maybe someone's injecting. I'm sure he doesn't think so Well, what is what is it in um, it's american dad, right? They're injecting his salary with fat or something I'm sure it doesn't think so. He often does like cool of judy as the reason why his life sucks. Like he may be fat Well, he says that cool of judy ruined his life. Um And it's just and one of the things he gets really mad about is that when he Wants to play like siege or something Less people watch then if he's playing cold judy. So he feels compelled to stream cold judy because more people will watch it um Now of course you can you can stream whatever you want um Regardless of how many viewers it will get you but Yeah, it's cold judy people really Yeah, it's like people will indeed just watch you for a certain thing you stream A lot of smash streamers wind up in that trap Well, it is a trap for sure It's it's something that happens when you focus on like one game But I mean ultimately you can just take the hit and have less viewers for a game that you prefer Yeah, you could just do something that makes you happy that you enjoy um, if it He's a the worst person to stream who still does it stubbornly probably He is he is uh Yeah The other quote ranks is I was in perfect health at almost 500 pounds No way, is that real? I'm pretty sure it is actually I might have heard that one before because that's why it was so funny to me It's like I think that what is real. I think you said that You agree with him right? I couldn't believe it. That's the thing. I could totally believe it As to whether I think it's real or not. I I'm gonna say that's real. I'm gonna say that's real I don't think the wings quota would lie to us like that's that's an important and respected job I think the issue here is that if you are a wings quota, you don't have to make up dumb shit You can just Take the things he said Oh the camera was on the whole time. Hello I remember I watched the video was uh, it was just it was it was um He was talking about buying used cards and stuff that was really funny Just a lot of the things he was saying that it was a buyer's market for cars or something It's like, what are you talking about a buyer's market for cars? And then something like he never got the bmw that he uh, he leased service For as long as he had it. Yeah, and the reason why was because bmw cards apparently have a diagnosis computer That tells you when you're meant to get service for something It's just really bizarre Uh, just watched efap 93 for the 12th time. It's a good efap. Lord of the Rings is good. Have some money. Thank you very much Rings is good Yeah, I think it's one of the most rewatched efaps of all time, uh along with the riser skywalker one Never quite crack exactly how that happens Uh, the ot The ot walked so that tlj could fucking shoot itself I guess so, uh Yeah That got trending the other day. I saw this will be like are people finally recognizing it's a masterpiece. It's like, no Long ever Uh hitler gasped the Jawas so that arcane could run And Also, there was zero hitler mentions from rags this stream. You're losing your grip doggo Well to be fair in my defense I wasn't here for a huge portion of the stream so There you have it Had to peer review an essay for english 1102 it was so incoherent It started giving me a headache not to mention he had about 1.5 billion commas Um, yeah comma overuse It's not the worst grammatical crime, especially if you're keen on typing as one might speak Because I like my commas and ellipses to kind of give character to text But you could go overboard with things of course Yeah, maybe there maybe too many commas like create run-on sentences. Maybe I think that's usually what it ends up being with too many Too many commas you end up when should this sentence end and another one begin Why are we we're trying to pack so much into this one sentence? mm-hmm It just gets exhausting to read um I was just said charlie's takeaway that pimp kissed his dad. Yeah, that's funny as hell Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah part of the story where he's like You kissed your dad you kissed your dad on the mouth Uh, I group surrounded by super chats. Oh, there it is again Um So this is a strange one because it all makes sense right up until the end Anyone else notice that silco uses makeup. He uses foundation on his eye. He loves um I I think so so I did eventually notice I did not catch on the first run through but yes, uh, you'll find that his skin Sometimes a lot darker in the parts where he's got the wound But a lot brighter in times where he's managed to apply it. It's pretty damn cool. That's a little thing that's happening I just don't know that well, there's one scene. I think it's the scene where he's told basically when the episode ends saying um You know someone's alive when he thinks Yeah, yeah, uh, he closes his like little thing He's got foundation and with the wind mirror Mm-hmm Yeah, but it ends with he loves. I don't know if they're gonna make another point or not, but Come on. He does love. He does love. He loves Not sure if you guys have talked about it or not, but have you finished season two of kingdom? I don't hate it, but it feels super off compared to one weird contrivances and the characters get dumber. Love yous Um I think I appreciate that. Um, I have not seen any of kingdom You super shatter you basically summarized exactly how I and maulin feel about Season one was like this building up to be like this is gonna be so cool. And then it like was For a little bit for like an episode and a half And then it became a very different Very very different show. It really felt like the people writing it switched teams or something because But we know that's not true because it was a little written by one person Uh, there was a lot of choices made that were downright sad to see in terms of what a waste Okay, I guess that's just what you wanted to do. There was still some good bits In season two that I really liked but I was very disappointed by it and It was of a particular quality that makes it so that when season three comes around I'm not gonna watch it I'm out. Uh, there's also a movie apparently that me and fring could see but we didn't want it Nah, I'm good Um, I guess I would still recommend season one and the first episode of season two There you go. Just stop there and then you're fine. Imagine what the ending was from there um So regarding her uh sharp shooting, uh, she could use a slingshot that rags I'm sorry say that again with a slingshot the saying that um You know like her usefulness with sharp shooting come in handy with a slingshot Uh, those are two entirely different skills I was gonna say that if you wouldn't I'd be like shooting a pistol accurately and shooting a slingshot accurately I feel like those they may be something transferable there, but that feels like very too They work off of hand-eye coordination However, the application of that is probably wildly different I haven't I don't have much sling like slingshot So even depending on which slingshot you're referring to as in Like the little fork with the the band on it that you put things on or the swingy one like a sling um, both of those are more more At least as far as I know like with a slingshot You will like like throwing things with a sling you look at your target It's kind of like throwing a frisbee You look at your target when you throw and you just kind of get used to how it feels in your hands and your timing and whatnot I don't know slingshot in terms of like the rubber band style slingshots I don't know what your eyes are really looking on. I assume that it's kind of using both Um, but I I don't see how that the skills would be transferable. Um Yeah, yeah, I just I don't see it. I don't see it I've been watching I've been watching arcane during the stream as a straight guy. I found katelyn extremely attractive just found out the truth reality is often disappointing Well, what he's talking about but to be fair. She never actually exists. He's all not a real thing Then no opportunities meant. He'll be fine Uh, yo bisexuality isn't off the table. There's hope You know, that's true It's true. Yeah um Who is best girl in arcane and why is it katelyn? Because we'll give answer to that All in good time Bander for sure cares for every one of his kids He's just a man of many responsibilities and as such is needed often for the sake of the underground There's something that's worth considering that man is busy. He's got shit tons of things to do as well as taking care of them for I think that's why he relies on vai as a sort of You know leader for them as well comfortable Um first super chat really liked arcane, but I really wish silco said Um He's not your sister instead of powder felt like a bit faster for her don't think Very I think powder saying that after was just happened Makes a lot of sense Yeah, and I think it's ways silco into really realizing like oh wow, we we we kind of got the same plate going on Remind keep in mind She is desperate for vise. Like everything that vise said to it earlier Plus being desperate at that point for his sister to look after her and she gets punched in the face and then abandoned I really feel like that's enough From her POV to say that person is not my family anymore Especially still in the moment Exactly. I like like I said earlier. I do think that if I came back an hour later and she was still just on the floor sad Like come on. Let's go home. I feel like that would There's a lot more to powder being set on a particular path than Simply by leaving for a second and her saying that that's important. It's the festering. I think that's gonna really inform A lot of what she'll be Uh, will there ever be another recording similar to so great The not-so-great debate. I assume they're referring to on any new medium in the future That's preferably frustratingly mere who is going to be the third co-host besides yourself high rags I am so confused for both of these questions. What are they asking? I'm legit. Yeah, like I what are you talking about? So Best assumption I have about what they're saying here. Will there ever be another recording similar to the not-so-great debate? so Possibly I doubt it. But maybe if we if we find someone who really wants to debate us on a topic and I mean, I wouldn't be against it, but you'd have to find a special individual Then you've got As I can add on to that after the questions asked on any new medium in the future that's preferably frustratingly mere I don't understand. No idea what that means. Yeah. I'm medium That and medium that's preferably frustratingly mere If they meant I thought they mean maybe hosting the debate on like a different platform or something But then maybe they're talking about media. I don't know why we do that. Yeah. I think they mean a different Some given show or film or whatever But uh, and then that one's a riddle. The final one is who's going to be the third co-host besides yourself Who could be third co-host Technically, we're all co-hosts. It was already three, but if we treated as though Rags and Fringy are two co-hosts. Is there gonna be a third one? Then why would you say besides yourself? Very confused by this Maybe Fringy could be a co-host. Let's do Fringy for a bit. See how that goes. Maybe Um, but the ending makes sense. It says hi rags Oh Hi Finally some some sense in this crazy mad mad mad mad world We did it. Uh, I grew up surrounded by super chats about growing up surrounded by super chats number eight And then hi did rags read the lines? Uh, yes, if you pop back to I think two hours ago, you'd be able to tell by scrolling. It'll be when he he unmutes soon after that He reads them Yes Also, sad. They probably won't explore cad bane's hate for the empire. He fought for the cis. Maybe he's secretly liked freedom Look, dude, if they give us any substance at all, just drink it up and run away Don't let them take that for me Let you have yeah the tiniest tiniest little bit of actual character in this show is something to be treasured it is it is precious When I saw pointed out about the book of boba fets, uh, certainly the last episode Was the like there are so few conversations And then you just think about like when two characters explore a fucking concept How many times in our coverage of the first three arcane episodes Did we talk about a conversation between two people and what they said and what it means and the subtext Like so much to draw any We did many. Yeah, obviously. Sorry. You weren't necessarily here for a lot of it But yes, we did many. Oh, I mean like even like just referencing the amount of Conversations that take place they for starters they exist and they're constant because Characters are characters and that's what characters do with other characters. They talk about things And they have perspectives boba fat in the mandalorian to pretty much the exact same degree They are just astonishingly astonishingly lacking in just Conversations about things It's either exposition or They're really quick just here's what we will do They're really fucking quick and the thing that this person highlighted was one of some of the longest conversations are between luke and the baby You know like yeah, where there's just like nothing you can draw out of it because it's luke at the baby exactly And and even weirder is the fact that luke is is doing that weird Take this choice. Shit Don't don't be doing attachment though Oh, why is he doing that Why why is there any tension whether the baby's gonna pick up a sword or arbor? I can't believe we're at this point. It's a very strange wilderness Choose the sword or armor this this seems like the kind of decision that you would give to someone after years and years of training And even then you're like, I don't know. Why why do we have to adhere to these old ways? What are what are we not reforming a little bit? Do we not see where? Not allowing people to have attachments can sort of like fuck us over You know like you're saying Because asoka bailey says fucking anything in the episode anyway of note, but one of the things she says is I mean like you remind me of your father something like that, right? Which is like that to me like it frustrates me when she says shit like that because I'm just like you haven't fucking in that go away Are you you're just stealing a line that you know will work and of course it worked people shit the fuck out of that line They're like what an amazing level what compared to like Take arcane because When vanda says Whatever like they end up fucking up on you And we said like immediate is an interpretation it would be Talking about his his self as a leader of of yonder city as well as their mistake in the past. Yeah, but that's not like Just randomly said and then we talk about that It's like you're you're thinking about everything that's happened up to this point Her role as the leader her fuck up in regard to not you know properly Performing this job and that powder has exploded a thing and is causing all these other problems Um, there's a lot the fact that like he has to take everyone out of the room to tell of this very important piece of information because he's Seeing himself in here There's all these like layers and elements that are coming into why that being said is a really meaningful you have like So many lines in in in the boba fat show Well, just anything made by disney these days. That's just like I you know, you were half expecting It's like what does cad bane say and someone's like oh, he always says uh, poise when he kills someone Can't wait for him to say that in this show. He's like A t s t a t s t Then he does Then he does and everyone goes. Oh my god. That was so amazing Wow And so yeah, like there's no Oh, maybe the finale will be good or anything like that for me because just like well Just look at the rest of the season we're in for some garbage We'll always be garbage. They just don't take any time to develop or grow anything. They just honked They just want to need to keep you busy until the next thing comes Which is why yes Appreciate arcane while it's here. It's one of those kind of neat One of them gyms I wish the jevisia leslie had left batwoman so that they could outdo themselves for season three and put in a trans woman I mean That would be a step out. That's the next step up Yep Yeah, I think so that would actually kind of line up They would do that. I think maybe actually I don't know because I wonder on the scale I'm trying I don't I don't know what the the highest depression points when it would be but um people are talking about that for the doctor these days um Have you got any shows that have done that? It was muslim for a while, but I think it's trans now Okay Who knows what to expect from batwoman We are gonna obviously some people think like the batwoman stuff is over It's like it ain't it's on hiatus for now because just lots of things happening at the same time you're gonna be uh Yeah, trust me if it were up to if it were up to me I'd already be up to season three and everything like that, but it's not so I mean it is up to me, but like if I could Like keep my schedule like behaving itself. We would have been there already Um, but that's the last super chat that I just read the way Oh Oh, wow at almost 11 hours. We're able to uh bring this stream to a close Um I was gonna say well dooma would be the first person to talk about what's what's going. I don't know if he's here I think he might have died He might have died So I hope not. I hope he's fine Uh, but there are links to the channels Which if you may have interest in checking out our plan is Since we're gonna go through three episodes to do this again, but with the next three episodes And maybe even do all six in one That or we'll do three and super chats and then three and super chats again Uh depends on our speed Yes now That's bullshit and theo a two of I think the only guests who don't really have anything to promote at the end of a stream So nope, not really Which means theo tell us what show you're gonna ruin next do it. Uh show am I gonna ruin next? Uh, Is there anything I can't think of any spicy opinions I have right now. I'm afraid in terms of shows I'll come back with one. Yeah, there'll always be more Just what do you have any that you've been saving for a rainy day or or for a sunny day? I should say Any rain clouds you've been storing To rain on on people's parades I mean I can grumble about the matrix some all but I feel like that's Matrix Yeah, I'm good to crumble either So what I'll say is that um the big jungus project video is just being worked on and The book of overfat is being worked on and There's plans now for theoretically the next three e-faps wasn't exactly a Intentional but there's plenty of things on the way that we're all gonna be interested in as well as Wednesday catch-up stream I couldn't do it this Wednesday because I was in an interview with drinker and jason flaming. Um if you google that YouTube it rather you'll you'll be able to find it. I believe it is on the outcast Fuck I forgot in the second part of their name. It's the outcast something. Um, I don't I don't I don't think it's collective it might be Uh, yeah, that was that was some fun if you want to if you want to check that out But other than that I will see you in a pre-recorded format of boba fat and then on wednesday in stream format um Bringo rago is there anything you guys would like to say before we run onset Oh, I don't think so. I'm uh, no, I'm I'm I'm I'm really tired. I've had a longer than that's a long good day than I thought I would um So I don't want to keep on the whole peter dinklage thing Yeah, I did. I actually have um It's like a 40 something minute one that I just recorded because I found an article that was funny And I just went through the article it's rendered and uh everything I just need to publish it, but it seems like every Day around noon or so. I just I'm just tired. I've had a wonky sleep schedule I think it's maybe it's the weather. It's been like icy and stuff here and really cold and I'm lethargic for whatever reason I don't know. We'll get that taken care of though. Oh, I can release it tomorrow I can do that around noon tomorrow around about an hour before e-fap time I can go ahead and uh release that that should be fun There you go. Yeah Oh and people are saying I should have mentioned. Yes. Uh, there is a catch-up stream for drinkers open bar tomorrow that I pay for Um I think Fringy might not be here unfortunately, and so Oh, I am here. Oh, I forgot. I was muted. Yeah, I am here Uh, I got nothing to report at the moment just working on them projects the changus video that kind We're doing all the customers this week a missed loss week back on this week That's all I got right now Very well. Okay. All right The outcast creative. That's what the channel was called and the uh, james has linked the link to The podcast or stream. I guess just call it um in the chat Other than that I shall read the the other two that came in um unbredded stream massives. Thanks you all so much I hated this show and this stream, but no hard feelings by Jesus Well, nobody can fault you for not being honest I was gonna say that's a long time. You gave it a chance and that's what I appreciate You gave it a good chance If it didn't if the stream on the show didn't earn your engagement. I don't know That's fair enough Um One more that's it. Love y'all. Thank you very much That said Thank you all for watching We shall see you The next time we see you Good. Bye. Yeah, we will and we're gonna have so much fun. This show's a great amount of fun Absolutely, we'll see you then everyone. Thanks for showing up and listening to us talk about something we hate Bye boy. Don't enjoy anything Yeah Bye