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All right, here comes the show So we have to address I got tagged at least 10 15 times a handful of DMs on Our good friend Mark Bell his power cast his podcast He had a recent guest on his show is I forgot the guy's name. He's a biomechanics expert smart guy Talking about Incline chest now I want to be careful because I did not listen to the entire episode and I I don't like Jumping to conclusions based off of a 60-second clip and there's a good chance That if I listen to his entire Argument that he makes that maybe there's a lot of things that we would probably agree on but the statement alone about Incline chest press not being a good exercise for your chest for your if your upper chest for your doesn't hit the upper chest Just period chest. I think is what he said is just not it's not a good exercise incline incline press and so Normally, I wouldn't even address it, but we had so many people message us I think we should talk about it and it's not the first time I've Heard a biomechanic expert shit on an exercise that we've probably touted as a phenomenal exercise You know what the problem with this and this is sometimes the issues that I have with academia It reminds me of do you guys remember when it was like it was all the rage to use I Can't remember the equipment they would use but they would measure muscle activation when people Yeah, the ART machine or whatever. I don't think it was that it was like muscle meets magnet or some shit And what they would do is yeah, they would have someone do mass. I think what was it? MAT I think that was there's a whole like Program centered around muscle activation. Yeah theory. Yeah And so what they do is they'll they'll look at the machine have someone do an exercise and be like, oh This exercise actually does do this or doesn't do that and in some of those they showed that a decline press Activated the upper chest more than an incline press or that dips activated the upper chest more than Inclined press the problem with some of the stuff is that in application in the real world That doesn't really pan out that way I don't know a single person who trains their body for aesthetics or who trains and sculpts and builds a body Who has done either exercise will say oh, yeah I decline presses totally built my upper chest never works that way ever in the real world It's always the upper you know the incline stuff that builds the upper chest I've experienced it that way everybody I've ever trained every bodybuilder you ever talked to so I think there's more to it than Then they understand and it's more than just looking at biomechanics or just looking at Activation and that's a good example. You know he's saying incline press doesn't work the upper chest or work the chest Well, that's just not true because when people do it in the real world. That's exactly what you see Well, it's it's an exercise that I have I've said on the show before as one of the biggest game-changers for me as far as building my my chest and But I did also say that I are alluded to that it was Probably because I avoided it for so long because I was weak in it So I didn't train incline press very much as I was a kid. I did flat and decline if anything So I hated doing incline press because I was significantly weaker and it wasn't until my late 20s Did I set a personal goal of okay? Let's see if I can get my incline press to be as is equal to or close to as equal as my flat bench and to see What would come of that and well, what came of that was one of the best versions of my chest that I've ever had now Specifically, did you notice more upper chest development? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so and and that made a huge difference now Had I trained? Incline press most my life and never changed or train flat bench. I Would I would go ahead and take a Stab at it and say that the same thing would probably have happened Had I started to do flat bench because I never did flat bench before so I do think that you you're not taking that into consideration Also, so when people when when biomechanic experts like to play the game of this versus that And this is so much better based off of mechanically how it works Well, that goes out the window when you you take into consideration Somebody's been doing that for so long and maybe they haven't been doing the other one So then what I mean by that is okay Let's say we all agree on an exercise that is superior to another exercise as far as its ability to build muscle in any in any specific area, right and So because you hear this article you go. Oh, well this guy says that this exercise is superior So I do that one all the time and I always do that one Well once you've been doing that for weeks months years consistently and avoiding the one that you thought was inferior I Would make the case that the inferior exercise now becomes the superior exercise because you never train it Yeah, but that being said right that's and that's true. What's a hundred percent true that being said That we don't understand everything about how exercises build muscle necessarily or why some exercises are Superior to other exercises for example, you know on paper you could look at I don't know a leg press you could look at a hack squat How about that you could look at a hack squat compared to a barbell squat and I could say well a hack squat You're using more load range of motion is very similar Therefore the hack squat is going to build more muscle now an application. It's just not true You know that when people do a free weight barbell squat They typically tend to build more muscle generally speaking and it's just it's like this with with all the exercises a lot of stuff We don't necessarily Understand but we know through practice that you know through years of practice that no this actually works better in this way For example, here's another one. I've heard many biomechanics experts say that sumo deadlifts don't build the butt very well No, look at the biomechanics the glutes actually are not that active. Yeah, it's a short-range. That's a big one right now It is I've done sumo deadlifts for years with clients who want to build their butts And I will put it up as a probably top five extra hundred percent. It's a staple move. Yeah, it's a top five exercise for building the butt So well, here's the thing too. I mean it's a compound lift and you're never gonna truly isolate certain muscle groups and there's a lot of carryover that you know, like In terms of it being close to an overhead press you could make that argument But you're still activating the chest and if you're not really activating the upper chest and it's it's getting involved with that press And that's something you haven't stimulated before you're gonna see gains in your upper chest So it's it to say that it has no upper chest value is pretty ridiculous Well, there's another case I like to make for the incline press Being a you know, can dare I say superior chest exercise and I've said it before on the show Why I used to love to teach my inexperienced clients incline before flat bench. Oh, it's technically easier. That's right Yeah, it's it's it's it puts you in a place is here in a preferable position Yes, you're in a more favorable position to teach So one of the hardest things to get a client to do when teaching the bench press is to get Them in the the proper biomatic mechanical position, right? So here we were talking about a biomechanic expert who is clowning on the incline press Well, one of the most challenging parts about getting anybody to train their chest Well as they get their body or get their posture in the most optimal position to activate the chest Scapular retraction pin them down. You have a nice slight arch in the low back hips on the bench You put someone on an incline and they just it drops down it puts them in that position So it's it is it's a hundred percent easier to teach I did the same thing before I would have clients do a flat bench I would have them do an incline bench not just for that reason. Here's another reason Especially towards the end of my career when I was training old people in advanced age Get somebody who's you know over 65 or 70 to lie flat on a bench just to get them in position It's kind of hard get them to sit on an incline and it's much more natural of a position But I'll make this argument look I will make this argument all day long Somebody who only does flat bench versus someone who only does incline bench Are they gonna develop different looking chest? Even if you had two twins are you gonna see a little bit difference in the development of the chest? I'll argue. Yes, and I'll argue that the incline you're gonna see more upper chest development was with the flat You're gonna see more and this is by the way, this is decades of people's Experience doing this exercise, which you know, here's the problem oftentimes with the the I guess I don't know what for lack of a better term the science worshippers, right is they and you see this in medicine, too They discredit everything that's experience in anecdote. Oh, no, that's that's not right scientific study. That's all anecdote Look in medicine. Okay. I would trust Double-blind placebo controlled studies are considered the gold standard Do you know what's better than that in my experience? Thousands of years of anecdote you show me a medicine or an herb that has been used to treat I don't know bronchitis or fever that has been used for thousands of years I'll trust the safety and efficacy of that over something that passed one Double-blind placebo controlled study. So one anecdote or two anecdotes or a dozen maybe not but when you have Decades of anecdotes, how many people have done incline press for upper chest now, right? Yeah, yeah Millions maybe over the since what the 19 when does the incline press kind of become popular or became a thing in the 60s So you look at decades and decades and decades of people and people developing their chest saying, oh, yeah This works my upper chest better. Well, it helps it to piggyback off that analogy, too Like, you know medical professionals stick with their specific system That they're a specialist in and so a lot of times I don't consider the bodies Holistically and how all the systems interact with each other and so to look at that specifically from a muscle activation a Perspective is just a narrow view of what's really happening. It is and again, even if you okay Even if we look at the anatomy of the chest It's got multiple insertions up and down the sternum and so the muscle fibers don't just go straight across they go Across to the upper part of the sternum and then they kind of angle down like a fan Towards the lower part and those muscle fibers somewhat dictate or tell you when the muscle contracts where the tension is coming from But again, there's also the experience Component and when I know and beyond a shadow of a doubt When people do lots of incline where they notice a lot of the development is in the upper chest me as well personally So to have someone come on there and be like, no the biomechanics don't work that way like you're discrediting Like lots and lots of experience, which I think is silly again Exercise science is not actually no science is a hundred percent complete. You have to take into account People's experience is taking down the other variables like I keep trying to explain is that you're once you're you've been doing that for an extended period of Time your body has gotten very good and adapted and when the ultimate goal is to build the chest to build muscle Then doing the same exercise over and over and over again is less advantageous than doing something That's different. Even if it's considered even if we can agree that it's an inferior exercise Yeah, and that the problem that I have with when people come out with content that states things like this This versus that or this is better than that is a young I can go back and think about what it was like as a kid and is you know late teens and early 20s Trying to learn about this stuff and I would read or see something like that and then and because the person's credible They're a PhD and seem to know what they're talking about or back then if they looked amazing Well, that was enough credit for you as a kid and you go. Oh, okay. He says this is terrible. This is was never do that You never do you abandon it? Yeah, you abandon it completely because you've been why do the inferior thing? I'm gonna do the thing that's better And then you get trapped in three years of training the same chest exercise. No, all you're doing is spend presses Yeah, that's ridiculous. There's also the like there's all these camps in the fitness space and he's coming from the you know Muscle development body sculpting kind of bodybuilding camp talking about developing different segments He's the same guy that said that Sissy squats load the quads more than barbell squats. Therefore, they're gonna build more, you know bigger quads or whatever Here's something that they ignore completely. There's a functional component as well And if I always press in horizontally and I never press in that incline position I'm not gonna have as wide of a range of functional strength in pressing now for sports It makes sense. I'll argue that an incline press is probably more functional. Well, that's what it was created for originally Yeah, wasn't it isn't that right Justin isn't an inclined bench the original the origin of it was for football Oh, I don't know for line. Yeah, that makes it's supposed to mimic the the angle that alignment is coming out of their Three-point stance and hitting them. Yeah. Well, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, that makes perfect sense So but also does improving your functionality and your range of functional strength Does that contribute to a more aesthetic physique? Sure, of course it does. Absolutely But they completely ignore that and they only look at like it's what is it missing the forest for the trees or whatever, right? You know, so that's like a speaking of incline press by the way PRX has a incline. Yeah, I see. Yeah We can finally talk about it. I mean I set it up in our studio It was super stoked because that was the one thing when I ordered and got my own set here at my house I was like, man, I do wish like I could incline this bench. It's kind of a bummer And you know, they've been working on kind of how to how to solve that issue And so we have one here in the studio and I'm pretty stoked on it So so it folds into the wall, right like the flat does Yep super convenient. Yeah, you can you can fold it up put against the wall And then it has like different angles so you can actually go incline all the way up into like a military press Oh, wow, it'll go live to a military press on it, huh? Now, what do you think you're the only one that's set it up and used it So what's your what's your feedback on it? Did they do a good job as far as the engineering? the engineering sound the The only thing I would say it's a little bit sticky in terms of moving it and adjusting it to the different pin points But that's something that I'm sure they'll probably have Iterating this was one of the first sort of prototypes. So I'm sure that they've kind of figured that out Yeah, right we couldn't talk about it originally because they were just it was just they didn't even released it yet, right? And it's official does it on their website? Yes on their IG account. So they're they're selling it I haven't checked their website, but I'm sure it's there if it's on the IG. I'm sure it is Yeah, they're crushing. I you know when I was up in truckie, you know before I before I got sick or whatever I was you know working out on on the and we work out with it here And I was showing Jessica's friends one of her friends is really big into working out and he had heard about the prx But hadn't used it so he's like pushing it up and folding in the wall bring it down He's like, oh my gosh She goes I didn't he thought because it folds into the wall that they would compromise stability I thought the same thing you just think of that I mean when you think of like a power rack, you know for squatting You think it's something that it folds away into the wall and you think it would be less stable, but the opposite It's more stable. Yeah, it's actually the most it's the most stable Rack I've ever used because it's anchored into the wall more stable than the cage that I you know I've had a lot of cage for a long time more stable than that looks like you can pre order it pre order it Excuse me on their website. So you got to get on there and pre order it so you get when it comes out But I mean there again the big problem with equipment home equipment for a long time with space So they keep they keep solving that issue And dude I had two benches and now I can reduce it down to one because you can go flat all the way up to military So, you know, it's that's game changer because now everything can fold up into the wall And really the only thing left is like the dumbbells like, you know having a good rack for that But yeah, they've figured everything else and by the way, if you have this this is how it works It goes it can go from flat all the way up to essentially to military You can fold it up into the wall and then use the rack for squats and stuff. So it's out of the way Yeah, so it's like once it's there. You can't use the rack for anything else You could do everything in the rack with that bench on there. No, it's magic. Hey, so we have to bring this up, dude I saw this I saw it somewhere else first and I thought it was like a joke And then I think I saw Sean. I think Sean Baker Carnivore guy, right? He I think he posted it and I fucking died So, you know, California passed that that law for s sb 120 or some shit like that, which basically allows a prisoner who Now identifies as a woman can now be transferred into the the woman's present and so What could possibly go wrong? Hey, did you see what's coming out? There's so the there's a for sure. There must be hundreds of thousands of transfer Cations. No, not just that what there's of the first girl who's pregnant already has came had just came So one for sure is already pregnant and that can't happen because it's a woman. No, we're so crazy, dude Oh, how fucking so funny that is we throw a lot toward a God, dude We throw logic out the way first of all Prison is a different environment than the real world. Okay, so you can have a bunch of guys Well, what you do you have a bunch of men in prison and they especially if they're in there for a long time They can be straight as they want. Oh, yeah, they do a bunch of gay stuff I mean, it's just what the stuff that happens. Isn't there a statistic on that? They're like, actually, there's a large percentage of them that are having butt sex, but are not gay. Oh, yeah I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know the statistics. Yeah. I like I said butt sex Yes, Adam, that's one way they do it. Yeah, but but nonetheless I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Doug. Do you know the fact you know, I'm sure you've googled Yeah, I'm no expert on this I'm afraid Don't lie. Don't act like you don't know the answer to this. Well, Google butt sex in prison real quick You're not gonna get me, okay Click on images. I know the women's prison There had been a lot of you know Like with the guards there, they've been a lot of interactions and stuff They had to crack down on with women kind of coming on to the guards. Well, you know what they'll think about this way, right? This is a bit of a challenging situation. So you're cisgender man and then you're like, you know what? I'm trans. I want to transition to a woman. Now you transition to a woman Okay, it might be the best option to put you with the other women because you imagine a trans woman in the men's prison That might be a lot because you don't have to be a trans woman You're you know, well, I don't even set up for I I don't even think they have to transition I think they just have to say I identify as Really? Yeah, that's what it said. At least that's what the article said that I'm going to jail for life I mean, what do you get to lose? I would say that. Yeah. Yeah, that's the go-to move. Yeah Yeah, no, you know at least the article that I was reading didn't say oh, here we go Doug What do you got at least one in Carson? See identifying. Yeah, but I mean, but are there like are there standards or is it just identified? I think that's all you have to say if that's it. That's insane. That's I what that's what the article said that I read You have to dress different or anything. They were the same So there's there. I don't know. So maybe maybe when we're talking later Doug can look up the law I think it's SB SB 120 or some shit like SB 132. Thank you. That's what it is. It looked maybe that Sounds like another nuisance law Well, it is a California law and I do believe that all they have to say they just have to say it They don't have to make like a full-on transition They just have to say that they identify as a woman and then they can now be transferred into the woman's prison I mean think about well, we'll find out it's gone so far off the defense insane Yeah So current policy allows any biologically male prisoner to request a transfer into a women's jail or prison without any questions asked So long as they identify as women Even Yeah, even if they were initially jailed or imprisoned for committing violence against women Well, you know Here's how here's how anti ridiculous. Here's how ridiculous. They are I'll tell you what they read you guys know this right in, California They removed weights out of prisons a long time ago. You know that right? Yeah. Yeah, they got rid of weights because they don't like inmates Getting too big and strong and the truth is the fucking truth is when you look at the actual science People who exercise who better their health. They actually had better behavior Better moods things to look forward to it was also a very effective tool to take away and punish people if they act it up And it was quite valuable to a lot of inmates I mean if you're in there for fucking ten years And you can lift weights still and work out and you're like, you know what? I'm gonna act cool because I don't want to miss my weights or it's a way of bettering it No, no, they got rid of that But now they're like by the way You could go sleep with the chicks if you say that you're one That's insane to me because I'll tell you what right now if you're in jail for years if you get sentenced for decades That's the play if you ask me that decade if I go in there for six months. I'm going in like that I Could be different decades like you know, I didn't find some women Yeah, I'll change my mind when I get out Hey Adam, how was prison? It's a weird fucking time speaking of weird stuff Did you guys see the house that was for sale on Walnut Creek for $850,000? So first of all What is it like? Hold on a second. First of all anybody from anywhere else in the country? I say 850 grand for a house and that's like man. That's that's a lot of money Yeah, that must be like a mansion. No, this was a house that caught fire. It was burned out So it's literally a the remnants of a house after a cop fire I Was gonna ask if it had all four walls, but does even have a hundred eight hundred fifty thousand dollars for a burnt to Chris Oh, yeah, you got to tear it down and do whatever. There was another in Redwood City in Redwood City I think for six hundred thousand dollars There was a like a log cabin on the piece of land and when I say log cabin I literally mean like imagine if me and Adam built a cabinet of log Like a Lincoln log That works, you know, $600,000. It's getting wild out here with the prices It's getting pretty crazy. Hey, so so I know you're not Justin because you're busy with the move and stuff But Adam and I and Doug we've all kind of it just sitting at home. We're still boys. So bored to death Isolated. Yeah, we still have the the pangolin Watching Jenny Jones and yeah, all those other reality shows. What a great idea. I'm getting shredded though. I know Yeah, you know what I found I'm not, you know, I watched all the seasons of 16 and pregnant So I can't obviously watch that anymore. Oh, there you go, but I found a fuck boy Wow fuck boy Fuck boy Island sounds amazing. Oh, it is just as fucking terrible as 16 and pray Okay, so listen to this show. I mean, it's it was HBO. So I'm a little I'm a little Disappointed in HBO that they would actually put trash like this out, but it sucked me in right now This is when you feel like shit. I've talked about this before I just want to see people worse off Yeah, I want to see if I could I want to see somebody who feel definitely that that's watch intervention and hoarders and 16 Totally right. So here's the premise of the show. I forget what tropical island they're on They're got them on a tropical island There is three beautiful single ladies that are looking for love and if they find a match I think both the couple gets a hundred thousand dollars towards their wedding or some shit like that So that's like the prize. Oh my god. Okay, so then they bring 24 dudes to the island 12 of them are fuck boys 12 of them are looking for love And 12 of them are like, I don't want love. I just want to get 12 of them are there in the game for the game because if they get picked and The girl doesn't figure out that he's a fuck boy. He still wins this hundred thousand. She got played. Oh So I got regular guys basically So and then a lighter her at the end of every week the girls each get to eliminate one guy Now the part that I'm dying right now is that I've gotten to like four episodes of this thing And they had to bring more guys to island because these dumb ass girls keep fucking they keep Kicking off all the fuck all the good guys. They're oh no. Yes. Yeah Because what happens so what happens is they each they eat each girl gets to Eliminate one guy per week so three go off per week and then after they say, okay He's the one I'm eliminating then right before they leave the the host of the show says are you a nice guy? Or are you a fuck boy and they have to so they tell them and then if they were a nice guy They know the numbers now like okay shit. We had 12 nice guys now. We have Yes, so like in the first three weeks like I think I think literally I think Nine out of the like 12 that was eliminated. We're all nice guys The official name is actually F boy Island. Yeah, well, that stands for though. Yes, but I mean that's an official title Yeah, okay somebody's looking it up. Yeah, I'm pretty sure if they put fuck boy in there I'll find it. Maybe it's a fun. No, no fun boy. Oh, no, it stands fuck boy I mean, it's literally what it is because they interview them and that's what they the guys all do their little which by the way Which is hilarious because it just highlights those guys are probably trying way too hard, you know and like asking all the questions about like, you know, are you interested in kids and You know stuff like that where they could just you know read it a mile away How bad do you have to want to be on television to to actually interview to get on one of these things like how bad Oh, so here's my theory. So my theory is oh, there's Justin your screen came off for a second there My yeah, no no problem. My my theory is this is that if Nobody going on these shows actually is looking for love or I want to fight first of all That's the worst fucking place to find a good partner. It's just this I think they're all yeah They're all aspiring actors and actresses and this is one way that they get themselves on media as they sign up for these die these dating shows I don't agree. Well, some of them are even married. Come on. We have a we have just to get like attention. Yep. Yeah I mean they've exposed now. I'm not disagreeing that right with that. I'm just saying I don't think all of them I mean, I think most of them are we had a buddy that was on the bachelor bachelor or bachelorette or whatever I want to talk shit. Yes. I think I think most I like it. I think a lot of them. Yeah, you talking about Ben He's a great guy. I think a lot of them are going on there because they just want to be on TV Yeah, for sure. That's what I but that was what I just said I said, how bad do you want to be on TV that you would allow yourself to be called a fuck boy? Yeah, and put your shit out there. You know I'm saying like people don't care, dude You must not I mean you and then imagine what your dating life is gonna end up being like afterwards Oh, you're a self-proclaimed fuckboy like that said, I mean at least I grew up thinking that that was an insult Is it now am I am I am I not correct or is it now become a badge of honor? Some dudes think it's cool like when you back in the day when they would say player like oh, he's a player I'm like, yeah, I'm a player. You know what I mean? Oh, you think it's like that. Yes. Oh boy Yeah, like oh, I just bang you know, I mean, that's what I you know how it is with young guys and their egos or whatever You know, there was a one there was one dating show on Netflix. That was weird where oh I think I know you're talking about where they had to like Dressing costume. Yes, dude. Did you see that one? Yes. So they wore okay So here's the premise of the shot. I forgot the name of it a beast. I don't remember something like that There's something beast wrong They have professional makeup artists Put like put them into character. So like one person looks like a dolphin other person looks like an owl I guess it's really creepy. Yeah, like a de-e-iality stuff They may be this girl look like a demon. Yeah, it was weird. It's really weird Like professional makeup. It kind of looks creepy. It's so good Sexy beast look what they're wearing there sexy beast. Yeah, that's it And then the idea is that they meet and they go on dates and then you pick the person based on the personality So based on their personality But it's weird because the makeup is so good That it's almost like I wouldn't be able to have no idea what they look like none And then they go to the reveal. I was like, oh, that's what that guy Oh, yeah, you can't even you can't even take you can't tell their their nationality That's just the next level to the one that member they came out with that one last year, which I think the sequel just came out again is Blind blind date where they had a date through a wall. Yeah, so they never they never saw each other Right. So the same concepts ever these actually get to meet each other, but then they're dressed up as animals They look weird. Yeah. No, I know some people are into that Well, you can at least get an idea of their their their body, right? So you can see if they're kind of healthy or whatever when they come in or not healthy, right? So because the blind date you get nothing they literally that one they had to you had to court somebody for, you know A couple months through a wall where you can't see what's funny about sexy beasts is that they'll they'll they'll have to pick Right, so they'll send one person home But before they send them home They get to actually see what they look like and a couple times they kicked they sent the person home That's that's really good looking so they take off the like, you know, baboon mask or whatever and everything and you can tell them Looking at them like damn it. I sent home the wrong guy This guy's handsome. What the hell it's interesting. Yeah, it's pretty funny. Actually. What is the do you guys know what the stats are on? I remember years ago when I looked this up when it was first getting really popular What how many people that actually meet now through a dating website? Oh, I think it's a majority It is it has to be it is a majority and it was like I want to say it was like two Two or three is it something like that? Would you know it's it's it's got to be close to say the last time I checked if I'm not mistaken It was something like 78% or something like that. Yeah, it's crazy a majority people meet Well, so now they've siphoned it off, right? So you have like different Interests like if you want like a long-term relationship you're like e harmony or whatever then you get there's like scales down of like just a night hookup You know versus, you know, if you want the girl to decide whether or not she Likes you first. So interesting little niches. I have a question for you guys There's a theory that I have because my dad comments on stuff like my dad's old school, right? He grew up in Sicily Quite poor whatever my mom From the same exact town, right? So he says, you know, he goes all this this choices is too many choices It's not good. And I said, what do you mean? He goes he goes look at all the choices Now we have to watch movies and stuff and on TV He goes you spend 45 minutes trying to pick a movie you can't choose because every movie you can't you can't make a decision He goes, I think that's what's gonna happen with all this dating stuff You can't make a choice because you feel like there's an infinite number of choices. What do you guys think about that? I don't know if I agree with that. I can argue. I think I could argue it both ways. I think that there's some value like You don't think it increases the amount of the percentage of people who are like, you know what? I'm just gonna always keep things open because there's this endless sea of potential I mean, I'm sure there's a percentage of that that happens But I would think that at least for me now that this is this is great You're asking this question because you're probably a really bad example for this because you got married so young right where I would I got remarried recently. Yeah, but I mean you didn't you didn't have a long dating pro You didn't have a long dating cycle where I had a very long dating cycle it obviously waited all the time was 30 years old before I really settled down and for me that that process more than anything else was a Major learning process on who I am and what I really want more so than it is like, oh my god There's so many options and because I dated so many do you think it would have been different because our generation We came up knowing both, you know with internet without internet Imagine if you're let's say you're 22. I think it might speed that process up. You think so. Yeah, like so okay, so if it was me You're 22 year old Adam right now right now now the you know Say whatever amount of girls that I had the date to finally kind of peace There's a very there's a very clear Shift in the type of woman that I dated in my life and it didn't happen until I was in my late 20s Did this kind of like aha happened the first half was I was attracted to all the things that were dealt with my insecurities Like I wanted to be the father figure in the relationship and the teacher and like so I was attracted to all different types of girls But that was the the main insecurity that was driving me back to the same ones I didn't unpack that till I was almost 28 years old Once I did I made a complete shift to the to what I started to look at girls And then the ones that went on after that so I think if I was Going through because I think it speeds the dating cycle up if you have an app Like if I hadn't I can't imagine like for me it was like oh I met someone with a grocery store I met some of the gym of the randomness of that or at a concert like it would take a while for that to happen We're like my buddy who's still using dating apps and things like that and is single Seeing him like man. He lines up like four dates in a week You know saying like that was like unheard of back when it's endless though. You know, I mean, I don't it doesn't run out You know statistically People are settling down at lower rates now than ever before all across modern society But you know, I don't know if it's that though, right? Right that's a factor. Yeah, and you can also make the case. It's like having a buffet You know like you can go up and everything's awesome and you just keep stuffing your face after a while It's like it gets old man. Like you want a real nice refined meal that you know, well, that's more I like cheddar I mean I I think of it more like The learning process of learning about a real partnership like that takes a while It's not well at least in my opinion. That's not well one of the big difference See this is a big difference between men and women is that women have this natural biological clock that tends to Put put put them in that situation where they're like, okay, look, I need to start settling down I'm reaching a certain age. I do want to have children. So I want to make sure I settle down with someone guys don't have that and so I could see this being more of an issue for men because Theoretically, maybe we can have kids whenever we want, right? So a guy's like, I don't care You know, I'm 40. I'll just keep dating. I mean it definitely there's definitely gonna be guys that that are already Prone to Peter Pan syndrome that this is going to make it worse, right? They're already they're already stuck in that and then there's there is a buffet to use Justin's words of of Women and out there for them. So they don't feel they're ever going to starve So they don't they don't they don't ever slow down doing that and that just makes their issue worse But then there is I think what I what I think is the majority is the dating cycle and and dating people is really this Process of figuring out what it is that you really like what what it is that you're attracted to that is healthy for you And that is not healthy for you and a lot of learning that is just going through going through relationships, I think too I mean, it's at a certain point you realize with these dating apps. It's not challenging enough to You know for it to have purpose. So for me specifically like I was looking for something that you know stimulated me intellectually, but also you know, it was a bit of You know that that's sort of a hunt mentality like I I want to pursue Somebody because at the other end of that, you know, there's lots of value in that relationship because you had to work for it So, you know not having to work for it as much. I think it really taints the whole process Yeah, I said there's actually some definitely some some truth to that So when I I mean Jessica, I was not looking to date anybody Remember I had gotten divorced and that's a by the way a lot of people don't know this but when you're going through a divorce There's years before that where you actually have to mourn and like you've made that decision over the course of a long time Like you just make the decision overnight But Jessica was like hit me like a like a thunderbolt. It was it was now I was not looking to meet anybody I don't want to be with anyone and I couldn't help it. It was just somebody that you know I wanted to be with but I do I do agree with you, Justin I think there's some value in that in that pursuit. Here's the other part of it, too We're constantly being told Especially young men are constantly being told that being married sucks. It's boring. Oh, you got kids life is over So it's like we're sold that message on top of it then on the other end of it is this plethora of availability Through all these apps and stuff and you can go on apps and see people who just want to have sex And so I I think all of these factors playing with it Well, I was saying what what are the statistics on? People staying together that find each other through these dating apps. Isn't it isn't it getting better? Isn't that part of why it's had so much success is the people that actually use these apps into a that's a good question I believe it. Yeah, I mean, I think you're right because you got to think there's certain There's some I mean I could like I said I could argue I think either case that would actually be good right less people maybe less people are getting married But no the ones that do more of them or that's what I would think is it you you get to filter out so much more man, I Mean there's probably a lot of relationships looking back now that if I had to have met had and met them through a dating app And actually had their profiles like oh look she was bipolar They're not gonna put them their profile If I could have found that shit out a lot earlier, you know I'm saying I mean I've wasted six months to figure it all You're and you're right. I actually more likely to stay together. See yeah, that's a that's a great Observation or yeah, I would agree with that. That's interesting. Yeah very interesting Yeah, but they're not gonna put that they're bipolar on Unless it's bipolar people trying to find other you know, they have dating have you keyed a car before check Yeah, yeah, crazy like that credible information crazy love calm Have you guys did you guys know that there's dating apps for people with STDs? So they meet they meet up with people with the same STD. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's smart I mean it sort of helps, right? Oh, it's all out in the open. Yeah, I don't know I just feel like that it we're getting so good and now mind you I'm I've never used one of these apps in my life before so I don't I don't know what it's like to be someone going through that But I would imagine that it's making the process Easier to get to figure to figuring out what it is that you really want and you can Filter that at a much higher rate though where we Have to take that more at chance back when we were dating it was like you meet somebody and let's hope I guessed right on this prize. Yeah, you know, so I don't know. I think that I mean Rejection stings more when it's a person. Yeah, you know like online. It's like, oh, you know I just swipe left or whatever it is next. I mean the truth is I don't think that I would ever like if I let's say things Didn't work out with Katrina and I or whatever like that and I was all said on the market at, you know, 40 something years old, right? I don't I still don't think that I would use a dating app I still I think I would just prefer to do it the old school way. So even though I'm like the old school way like DM me male order bride Speaking of surprise I watched a movie yesterday that was surprisingly Amazing so remember the original suicide squad when that came out. It wasn't that good, right? Did you guys like the original? It wasn't that good the new the new suicide squad Hilarious Really well made different cast same people different cast. It's a different spin and you can John see me in that one Yes, and the way they it's the way that they did it. They did it such a good job Artistically the way that they injected humor Super catches you off guard the first 15 minutes of the movie catches you completely off guard You're like what the hell is going on? Oh, really? And then it changes directions really really good some who recommended it to me I think it might have been max lucavier that recommended to me. He's like dude great movie I'm like suicide squad. I'm like the first one sucked put it on funny how DC has to go back over movies they produce like oh that's Let's try it again. Well, it's not a remake. It's not they I mean they they refer back to the other suicide squad You got to watch I don't want to give it away. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, all right really really good They did a phenomenal job. I'll try it even though like your shit suspect whenever you do right Hey real quick. I want to read to you one of my favorite YouTube comments. I've read in a long time Yeah, so I just I just saw this one do the you too You know I was reading them yesterday people were so funny like someone was talking shit about the Economics debate that we had the other day. Oh, they're talking about what you said They're talking about It was we it was us saying that we don't Don't know we're talking about economics and then my response is like well drop where you disagree and then well I don't really have anything to say Talk shit and walk away. Yeah talk shit, but then I have nothing to contribute like hey challenge I'm all I'm up for a good conversation or a debate on something. I'm open-minded. Hey, you know So YouTube always brings be a man They always bring the trolls listen this one This is a comment me describing the podcast to other people an Italian a hot guy and a dude Who won't shut the fuck up about himself? I You're the hot guy Justin Well, I always get labeled to the guy cuz I broke you're you're the guy that's on the romance novel dude Come on. Yeah, but but they said the guy who won't shut the fuck up about himself I do I get it whenever I and you know what by the way, I'm gonna dress this fuck you youtubers This is a skill Acquired skill for coaches and trainers is the ability to humanize yourself and to tell a story So rarely ever do I tell a story that's like check out how cool I was yeah, it's normally To be relatable by yeah, it's normally like experience Let me tell you about this story where I fucked up to or I made this mistake or I didn't do these things So you can relate like that and so you can I can humanize myself for the audience So I do know there's a percentage of people that appreciate but then there's a few assholes out there that think it has me ever need to Do with me talking about myself. It's a good time. All right, so I got some cool interesting news for you You guys know McDonald's is being sued right now or is in a lawsuit. I should say when's it not Isn't it always being sued not over what this time nope not the hot coffee. What's next? No, no No, so it's a lawsuit having to do with McDonald's. Okay, so here's what the title says a lawsuit alleged That the company that makes McDonald's ice cream machines intentionally designed flawed code to profit from repairs. Oh So you know how often so that's a thing right? That's a thing you go to McDonald's. Yeah, it's ice cream machine It's always down Apple every time they have updates. So now my phone gets fucked up I mean all these companies do that dude. How slimy is that now? How do they how do they how they figure that out? I don't know how they would figure that out But obviously if they have a lawsuit they've got some evidence to show that the code they put someone probably put the patterns together They're like dude. What is this every one of these machines? Yeah, that's shady Yeah, cuz I remember that as a kid That was like please let the machine be not broken because it was always broken. It was a pain in the ass every single time I remember that Yeah, that's soft sir. Oh, man. That's the you know, that's the one thing dogs, you know nailed I mean the fries. I mean, I feel like the car industry has been doing this to us forever I mean, don't you as soon as the warranties over super ironic to me that we can build something that fucking flies the moon and back and Totally fine, but we can't we can't get a car to go past 100,000 miles without transmission Piece of shit Honda like you can't even you put like 600,000 miles on it and it still feels like nothing's ever gone wrong Yeah And and that's been that way for how since I was a kid since we've been driving, you know what though They've made a big deal. I remember as a kid You guys remember when if the car had a hundred thousand miles on it You might as well throw it away. No, it's not true anymore now cars. They generally go a lot longer So they've definitely made some improvements. I don't know about that I feel like it's pretty standard that around a hundred thousand miles shit starts going wrong. Oh, yeah You know the idiot likes to pop up and how oh my god I have to take it to you know the the dealership. That's because you guys so that way they can get their money That's you guys in your Chevy's. That's a scam It's all Pissed off so many people right now So I went to a concert not too long ago Which you know was great because it was open and they're all worried we had to wear masks or whatnot But like we were in there and it was a it was a really fun punk shows super small kind of venue But there was this opening band that I thought was really Really wild really interesting like why they would kind of mash these two genres together. So Basically they had a combo of the sex pistols you guys ever heard of the sex pistols Yeah, you know from yeah, right? So they were like a covering sex pistol band with spice girls And they were dressed up like spice girls Wow Was it was a good big fat guys, you know dressed up a spice girl So I'm like really this makes sense. You know like this is this is Pardon like this is like not even ironic anymore. Like that seems like Something that is just normal. I'm not gonna lie. I love the spice girls Didn't they all they all went on to go do like big things by themselves, didn't they some what they all yeah Aren't they all still super famous doing stuff like but individually that was a thing for a while spice girls was like Everywhere, oh my god Yeah, well, it's it's yeah What is that Justin in the music industry when they figure out like a hack like that when you that was their part of that Right, they're part of like oh wow when we throw, you know a group of hot chicks together Just like they did with the back. Yeah, it's all engineered. Yeah, it's just like the backstreet boys Just like all that kind of stuff like they had some You know brilliant mind in there that already knew like all those different types of cord structures and ways to kind of engineer this pop Bubblegum kind of music and then fill fill it in with certain looks Yeah, because most of time they're not they weren't all like buddies and friends hanging out It's not like boy like boys to men was like all buddies that were singing in the high school hallway like that and shit together Right where these other ones they're like here's a cute guy. Here's this one. Let's put them all together like now You're all friends. Yeah, but they were a phenomenon for a second. They were massive for a second But I think they're they still I think they still are like famous, which one's the one that married Beckham Which one was that? Oh, that's not sporty spice. That's Which one what's your name? She's the one with the the tattoo down her back. I don't know. I love that That's the only hot. I mean, well, she was the hot ones. Posh spice was that yeah She was she was she got a little she got a little bony there for a second. She didn't look very healthy. Really? Yeah Hey speaking of looking healthy your skin's looking pretty healthy like that. I know you must be using Caldera I I've been throwing it on like crazy every single day Yeah, especially let's just call it man care. Yeah, that's a new thing. You know what dude? I told I said this last time I Was reluctant to use I don't I never put anything on my skin. I have this just natural Mediterranean glow, you know, you can see it on camera. Very nice. Here's the thing though I'm always got a golden sheen. Yeah, I'm up I'm afraid to rub and I'm the guy who talks about himself all the time. Yeah, but you both Hey, YouTube says it right? I I'm afraid to put oil on my skin because my skin's naturally kind of oily anyway But whatever they put in the caldera it balances out my skin So I don't get oilier from using it. It just balances it out so that it's not I don't get like oily You know segments or whatever. No serious. No, you do it does look good right now I'm a mess right now. So I haven't I mean we haven't shaved so I haven't seen Vicki for my haircut I haven't had my caldera because I'm downstairs in the other bathroom. So I don't got it in there So I look like I probably aged 10 years this last now. What are you doing in the room by yourself this whole time? I mean he's irritated all day Text you have no idea he's the biggest asshole Yeah, just angry if you guys thought I was grumpy when I'm healthy man I tell you what I am a grouch when I'm not feeling good, dude I'm just not fun to be around for sure. So just watching everything you can yeah I've watched everything on TV. I should be actually a little more, but I mean we're I'm able to work So so I'm in my emails and things like that. So I've been doing a little bit of work In in there. I've watched a lot of television I listened to some audio books not as much as I should by now I could have finished like four books if I would have disciplined myself But you know right when you feel bad and you don't feel good It's it's hard to do the thing like those types of things like growth-minded things things that would help me I totally should I know I should But it's like I'm in this you know watch, you know fuck-poor island type of mood like so Feel sorry for myself Chicken noodle soup and and and we can watch terrible television. I had a lot of I've had a lot of baths, too I've taken like oh my god. Yeah, take a lot of baths. Yeah candles I think I think I've taken more baths in this last week than I have in the previous like 10 years The lights on or you turn them off? I turn them off a lot of candle. What's the music? Yeah? No, I Sunday, I have I got a TV in the room. So I actually I actually put on one of those movies Those I've actually been going back watching old like classics like days and confused I put that one on the other day and I get my I get my great bath I do my little bath salts and then my little wait wait bath salts. Yeah, I got bath salts Oh like legit. Oh, yeah, not the ones that turn you Yeah Okay, so what's your your go-to sick movie right because I know we all kind of have that grown up like mine was always big Trouble little China hell. Yeah, dude me too Yeah, yeah, like religiously when I was sick. I love it What what did what did I watch so far that I would you good man? Oh, no Shawshank Redemption. Oh, there you go Shawshank Redemption is one and I already watched that already. So that's that's like a good one It is because I think when you're sick, you're locked up. You I feel like I'm in prison So watching like this watching the great escape, you know break it out I have my my you know, I told you guys that I was supposed to go to my grandfather's 90th But now I can't go obviously. Yeah, but he wanted me to do a speech for him So I decided that what I could because it's so sad my grandfather such a he's the most macho yet Sensitive person you'll ever meet in your entire life. He FaceTime me and you know Just to see how I was doing and then he teared up because I'm not gonna be at his party So I felt so bad right so what I did is I wrote a speech and and Doug's gonna record me and we're gonna play it at his at his birthday and Nice, dude, I didn't think this would happen as I'm writing the speech about my grandfather I'm like emotional as fuck Jessica's like read some of it to me I had to stop and leave the room several times Yeah, dude, so I'm hoping I can get through the whole thing I want you to do it on the green screen dude. Come on. Let's you let Doug let Doug have some fun with it And you know put you a lot of work though. What are you done? Is it a lot of work, Doug? It's more work I'm willing to play along come on your quarantine. You're not doing anything either. You know I'm saying what you always do It's what are you doing over in your quarantine over there? No one's asking you what's going on? You've been awfully quiet. Hey, I've been mixing it up. I've been watching more movies than usual I've watched a couple series. I've been watching the one and how to be a tyrant Oh, that's a good which I think everybody should watch because it seems very timely for some reason it's happening right now I watched the docu little docu series from Val Kilmer. Oh, I haven't watched that yet It's rough. It's rough. I mean that guy was on the top of his game You know Iceman all that but he had throat cancer. Oh, I don't know that. Yeah, I know it sucks It's really sad to see. Yeah It was just weird that he filmed so much of his own life, you know first it felt kind of pretty narcissistic But yeah, like it gets real sad when you find out that he has throat cancer. Yeah, also cocaine cowboys That was an interesting that was a good documentary. Yeah, I watched that that was really good actually and then in in You know in addition to that I've been doing some audiobooks Obviously have some work to do at home. It's not all fun and games Reviewing shows doing financial stuff that type of thing. Yeah, I feel like you and I are working. I think Sal is pretty much vacationing Yeah Just a typical week, you know I'm saying Hey real quick, I hope you're enjoying this show head over to my serenity kids Dot-com and check out some of the best baby food and baby food products You'll find anywhere very healthy grass-fed meats grain-free snacks and puffs No preservatives great stuff This is the only stuff that I feed my baby son Adam does the same thing for his kid Serenity kids again, it's my serenity kids.com. Just don't forget to use the code mp 20 for a discount. All right, enjoy the rest of the show. Our first caller is Haley from Michigan. Hi, Haley How can we help you? Hi, thanks for taking my question and taking time. I'm currently a professional basketball player I just graduated from college in 2020 So I haven't had a weight room Literally since then and I was just kind of wondering How I should go about my training now that I'm playing overseas and I'm also now playing in the summer with my team in Detroit So I basically have to be ready all season to be like in shape and everything So I'm wondering how to make like proper games strength wise agility wise Functionality wise while staying in shape and being able to perform on the court Okay, you know you don't have access to a gym. Is that is it still do now? Okay, um, it's just like recently, but I think last summer I didn't so I was doing a bunch of banded workouts and all like the Hills and sand and like outdoor stuff, but I just recently now have like a normal weight room again Oh, cool Well, you know, there's an important part to what you said, which is that you're gonna be playing year-round So it's not like you have a true off-season where you're not competing and you could focus more energy towards other attributes with your training because you're consistently competing and playing We need to be very careful with how we approach our training. What you don't want to do is sacrifice Your practice and your skills training for strength training. It's not a worthy It's not worth the trade. Okay, so okay So what I'm gonna recommend you do is is maybe one day a week maybe max two days a week of Strength training at the most Well, let me ask you this how often are you are you practicing with your team? How often are you guys doing your own workouts? so I We just finished my Season in the States and then I'll be going like next month or the end of August next month to go overseas But I was practicing with my team three times a week and then Most of time will probably do two days with that to get like some shooting sessions up And then I'll probably go on my own at least another three times. So I would say like five to six I'm doing at least basketball. Yeah. Yeah One day a week of strength training will be perfect for you and you can throw in mobility work if you want during Okay, I try to do that as much as possible as well just because I'm really I'm not flexible So I try to at least be mobile in what I do so perfect and now do you have do you have maps performance? No, I currently don't have any training guide Which is like kind of where I was looking to go for that too because I have a good Like I think I have a good baseline strength and understanding of what to do But I just in terms of programming. I'm not like I don't know how to go about that yet Well, here's what I'll do. I'm gonna give you maps performance and now in mass performance. There's three foundational workouts a week I don't want you to do three One so go ahead and look at the workouts the mobility stuff Yeah, totally. I'm gonna interject here for a second to I would think that phase two Is something I want you to focus on a little bit more in terms of You know multi-planar type of strength training where we're getting a little more unilateral work In season mainly because you know, I'm trying to to maintain and reinforce that stability around the joint because you're a Professional level. It's all about long longevity and making sure that we're not putting too much damage here on the joint So yeah that in combat with the mobility sessions can be perfect Okay, now would you guys what what time of the day would you guys recommend her doing her mobility training? Do you think she should get up and do it first thing? Do you think it should be a post workout post training when you when you want her doing mobility? Oh boy, I would I would think it would be great if you did you know 15 in the morning and mobility Absolutely exactly what I was gonna say, you know do some in the morning 10 15 minutes And then you know again after your training whenever you're playing you know doing your practice or even after your workout And then Haley, do you do you follow Paul fabrics? You know who that is? No, I oh Yes, yes PJ yeah, I follow. Yeah, I like stalk him as well. I kind of have all his podcasts and stuff. Yeah, he's awesome Paul Paul's the man. So the content that he puts out Not even and even his strength training program stuff that he has to align for athletes like everything He's putting out his fire. So that's a great person to To follow and pick up on but as far as training like Sal said one day a week out of the maps performance Justin great recommendation with the the second phase stay in that and then pretty much every day You could be doing the mobility work So and you can pull you can pull the mobility workout straight from maps performance So you can use those to follow along and then and then I definitely would be keep consuming Paul fabrics I mean his his contents fire Yeah, that's all I was trying to because I listen you guys a lot and The one thing you guys always say is trying to like pull back and not do too much and in college I definitely did way too much I was always tired and I think that's just kind of how college is but now as a professional I'm trying to like unlearn a lot of the training habits that I have Because I just don't think they're that necessary and I can be in shape without killing myself every practice So I'm trying to like learn that but I was lifting like four times a week and yeah Trying to do like agility twice a week and then basketball every day and I was it wasn't working out for me So Haley, that's why I wanted to reach out to you guys Haley. You should feel good after each session So that's how you that's how you judge it So if you finish practice or you finish a workout and you're like man, I am wasted or I can't move or I'm really stiff Or I'm too sore you overdid it. You should feel good, especially because you're playing Year-round that so this is this is especially important for someone like you You should feel good after each walk and use that as a gauge. You're a pro now I mean at this at this level, you know That's where the mentality shifts now for all coaches that are training pros It now becomes about longevity and taking care of you. I mean you've put a lot of recovery That's right recovery and and making sure that we keep your skills where they're at because you got there Yeah, you obviously got that you wouldn't be where you're at. So that's the main focus is to take care of your body Okay, that all makes sense. Yeah, I can do that. All right, perfect and we're gonna send mass performance over to you Okay, okay. Thank you. I appreciate it so much. No problem. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, thanks for answering Thanks for taking time out of your day and just no content all the time. I appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you, Haley Yeah, so you still there Justin? Yeah, you didn't cut me off good. Oh, perfect, you know, I'm so glad we have athletes calling in because It can definitely be confusing because you'll hear, okay, we're doing all these practices. Oh, no I also need to focus on agility. Oh, no I need to also build strength and what they tend to do is they tend to just add on top of each one So like, okay, five days a week. I'm doing this now I'm gonna do four days a week of this and I guess I could do strength training after I do those workouts and it's just It's just well way too much and here's the beauty of this is one of my favorite things about resistance training You don't have to do it very often to reap a lot of the benefits. You really don't if you're an athlete Well, especially an athlete. Oh, you're not your goal Your desired outcome isn't pack on as much muscle as I can or get as shredded as I can and it's about performance So yeah, I mean your mindset has to completely shift. You know, it's funny how It still blows my mind that as far as we are with with science and training and nutrition and recovery That this is still really really prevalent in the like College down, you know, it's it seems that it doesn't until you get to that professional level Do you start getting like these really high and that there obviously there's exceptions to rule Like I know a lot of people who've had had great college coaches and even some people that might have had a great Hi, but it's more of an anomaly to have this coach or get somebody like a Justin who's helping a high school team Out that knows what they're actually doing. Most of these these kids are getting coached by You know volunteers or people that this is kind of like their side profession You know, they have like a real job And this is the side thing they do because they have a passion for the sport and they're advising these kids on on training Protocols and it's and you think and they everybody they all lean towards the mental toughness part, right? The idea of training that hard and that consistent sure It has some value as far as mental toughness and but that's not everything like especially with someone that Has high have a level she is like well Yeah, especially at that level and again, there's there's a massive difference when you know You go up in levels from high school to college to the professional level And so you really have to assess what's gonna be best for the athlete and at that level It's really just about keeping the body healthy and performing because you're already at the highest You know peak of your performance and we need to just sustain that at that point I remember when I figured this out as a trainer I had a client that was a competitive triathlete and then he wanted to do an iron man and the beauty of this was He obviously was very meticulous about his times so he knew if his performance was improving or if it was declining and Initially when he hired me We were doing three days a week of strength training and very shortly he'd come to me and be like you know, I know this is supposed to help but my times are getting worse and Eventually we reduced his training down to once a week and the workouts were like 45 minutes Why because he was doing so much other stuff right to train for his bike and his swim and his run When we did that then we saw tremendous improvements and then I started to really figure it out like okay We only need to do a little bit to really boost his performance any more than that and it's too much All right. Our next caller is Isaiah from Ohio. What's up Isaiah? How can we help you? Hey, good. I appreciate you guys taking my calls. It's pretty cool Um, I have a quick question. I'm going to be a police officer here start and actually tomorrow I started the department. Um next after next week. They're going to be sending me to the academy For four months. Um, I follow mostly mass program do pretty much All resistance training up until I found out I was going to the academy. I started implementing more cardio I'm not a cardio guy. I hate running um, but My main my question is how do I work in? Um resistance training around everything that I'm going to be doing at the academy So obviously most every single morning. Um, we do, you know, the normal push-ups sit-ups in about two to three four miles of running Every morning, um, which is quite a bit for me coming from my background of little running up until this point Um, so I'm wondering How to program I follow pretty much all maps programs. I have quite a bit few of them But I'm trying to figure out what's going to be the best programming for me while I'm trying to manage both the working out Still in the morning Um, and then the stresses of whatever I'm doing during the day As far as the training that they put me through um, and then What would you guys say would be like the best program for like after work? Should I be focusing on, you know, mainly recovery? Um, just do four months of figuring out mobility working on that because that's something I'm lacking Or is there a way I can still implement? A good resistance training routine and not over stress my body Yeah, I would I would do an anabolic although you just made another point about wanting to focus on mobility, which there's nothing wrong with Blending the programs right here's an example where I would do this with somebody I might follow the foundational training from anabolic and take the mobility days from performance I think since you said I wouldn't have said that until you just pointed out that that's an area that you know You can work on and so this might be a great opportunity for you to implement that Um, but yeah, I'd say maps anabolic with the mobility days from performance Yeah, I yeah first off, uh, I appreciate you doing what you're going to do. We need more good, uh police officers So that's awesome, but you're going to a police academy, right? So this would be four months of academy And I'm you're pretty familiar. I'm sure you know what you're going to be doing It's it's somewhat grueling. There's a lot of workouts. You're gonna be training with them on a almost daily basis, right? Yeah Yeah, so with all those workouts and training that you're doing with them You don't need to add much more to your your total programming. In fact, if you try to add too much You're gonna run into some problems Honestly to be quite honest. I've trained a few people through the academy I've actually had clients who hired me And then went through the academy And they tried to follow their normal workouts while they also did the academy and within a month They were like, this is just uh too much So honestly what I'm going to recommend is do the academy workouts and then add like another day If you want of strength training and then mainly focus on mobility Are you going to lose some of your max strength and stuff like that? Yeah, probably but not a ton But that's not the point The point is you want to get through the academy become a police officer when you graduate Then you can go back to your old training and make sure you incorporate Yeah, that's what I was thinking anabolic one day a week in the mobility. That's it. Yeah, that's it So like one day how long is is your academy? It's four months right around four months. I'm not exactly four months. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say during the whole period of time do maybe one foundational workout a week Um, and then just do the academy workouts and yeah, you're probably going to lose some of your You know bodybuilding gains or whatever you got from the maps programs, but that's okay You're kind of getting conditioned and following their protocol But when you're done with it, you can go back to your old programming and you know maintain a certain level of uh, You know of running because you're going to need some of that stamina, of course In your in the line of duty But yeah, don't don't try to like throw everything at your body while you're doing this the academy is Yeah, somewhat strenuous The beauty of it is you know muscle memory and so like right now Like you said you haven't really adapted to the conditioning and the durability yet So I would embrace that as your new adaptation focus And really just try and reinforce your joints with mobility practices to try and keep everything healthy and moving forward But you know embrace it for now and just uh try your best to just kind of focus on You know gaining that that type of conditioning. Isaiah. Do you own anabolic and performance already? I have anabolic. I don't have performance. Okay. There we go. We shoot in performance. Yeah, we'll send uh performance over to you And so you're using the mobility days from performance and then following a maps foundational day one Yeah, why don't we and and honestly even with that recommendation still listen to your body because there is a possibility that That may even be taxing because of all the work that you're going to be doing there From what I recall, I know that each academy is probably different, right? because they're run by the the city but I worked with police with the people who went through san josei police academy And from what I recall it was like daily workouts Including running lots of calisthenics and then at some point they reduced the workouts and would focus more on uh, you know like certain things like how to take someone down how to You know, you know, uh, you know how to use your weapon in a particular way You know law focus when that happens and you can incorporate more your workouts But you know to put it differently Your priority is the academy so place your energy and focus on the academy That's where your energy and focus is so stay in that and then if you add anything it's to Compliment it. Don't try to supple. Don't try to replace it. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. All right, perfect Just the other part of the question was I was thinking like going into it. I wanted to Try and lean out a bit. I'm a little higher. I'm coming from like a 12-hour shift night's job So my sleep scope has been terrible. I put on a little weight since since starting the job But I was wondering like should I go into it trying to lean out like keep my calories low Should I just really focus on you know getting through it not really have I think that's that's I think that's naturally going to happen Yeah, focus on your Yeah I have quite a bit of muscle on me right now I'm worried that most of that with all the running is going to be my muscle going away And I'm not going to be like leaning out. No, no, no, no the body the body you're To utilize a muscle. It's it's an expensive tissue and the body doesn't want to use muscle It will in much rather Utilize fat as a source. I feel if it doesn't have carbohydrates, right? So if it doesn't have You know glucose it's going to move over to fat before it wants to move So your body does not want to to burn muscle So don't be afraid of of that going on you're not going to lose mostly muscle Especially if you're doing things like push-ups and pull-ups and sit-ups and then one day a week of foundational training You'd actually probably be really surprised. You're probably going to hang on to a good amount of muscle mass You're probably just lean out even if you do lose a little bit of muscle and strength As soon as you get out of the academy, it's you're going to probably rebound really nice That's that's the big one like don't worry about it. It'll when you're done with the academy You can kind of go back to your old Training, you know again incorporate some more stamina and the muscle whatever little muscle you lose You'll gain right back as far as getting leaner's concerned. Just eat healthy to feed performance You'll probably lean out from that. That's you know, but I wouldn't make it a focus I wouldn't sit there and be like i'm going to go into calorie deficit I got to get shredded because the priority is the academy not your physique No, you need the energy to to perform at your best So keep that as a main focus and that'll just naturally occur because it's a totally new stimulus right, okay All right, man, we're going to send you over maps performance. Okay. Awesome. I really appreciate that No problem. Get those bad guys. All right All right, they don't even know And I appreciate you I'm really looking forward to seeing where mine pup goes for me You guys have changed a lot about the way I have to work out and the way I talk about fitness. So Awesome. Awesome. Thanks, man. Thank you guys. Yeah. Thanks guys. Have a good one. Get better Yeah, that's um Again, you know, I get it by the way because I'm like that if I had to train I did this have this happened for me when I did Jiu-jitsu or judo I remember I'd be like, oh man, I don't want to lose my gains And it actually took away from my performance in those sports because I was too focused on You know the muscle the way it looked and stuff It's like you got to prioritize one thing or the other and then it comes back comes back so easy and so fast I actually think that he's going to get because this sounds like it's so out of the norm for him The way they're going to be training body weight exercise. You're right. You might be surprised, right? I I bet you you it's just like what happens when you take a guy like one of us new be gains Yeah, right and then we're and you're so into Lifting weights all the time that all of a sudden you do a body weight program or like a suspension trainer program and you see Phenomenal results from it. The body is just it's just a new adaptation and I bet his body ends up loving him for it So I I imagine if he so so long as he doesn't eat like an asshole He makes good food choices and and stays fed and and then uh follows the academy and stuff like that And maybe one day a week of maps anabolic. I think that he's going to be surprised on on how he shapes up from it Yeah, I agree Our next caller is Joanna from florida Hi Joanna. How can we help you? I'm hoping you guys can help me out with my current routine because I'm going to be 15 next month and As everybody says things have changed. So I've been working out about 10 years and Lifting a lot of weights trying to build muscle because I know that that is something that is going to Rapidly dissipate if I don't But I'm just not Progressing I'm the fatigue is a real issue I have these great plans of how I'm going to work out and then I guess it's changes and hormones aging I don't really know but I'm trying to be on top of everything from circadian rhythm to nutrition to sleep to all the things and um What's the best way to go about all of this? I have a job that I have to sit at like right this minute for eight hours a day and a 45 minute commute on either end So I'm like obsessive about trying to get my workout in in the mornings before I even get here because when I get home I am dead so I'm looking up at your your question that you have sent in and It says that boot camps and body pump. Is that how you've maintained your fitness up until this point? Yeah about um, I've been working out at home for probably eight years Okay, that's that's usually okay And you're also saying that you just you're again in the same question that adam's pointing to that you you feel fried after your workouts Well, I try to go hard enough to make a difference. I mean, I'm not Going to mess around. I want to make sure that It's progressing as much as possible But but it's not so this is what I want you to to consider because I think oftentimes especially those of us who are You know high achievers or we like to you know, you know accomplish things through great and effort Is we tend to either lie to ourselves or ignore the signals Whatever you're doing is too much. So it really doesn't matter what you're doing. It's just too much obviously your body's Telling you the right dose is going to get your body to progress More than that it's not going to it's not going to happen and you can't push through that There's no way of adding even more to too much to make it work It just makes things even worse. I'm also going to go down I'm also going to go out on a limb and just say that your body is probably adapted to that type of training I'm assuming if you're into the body pump and boot camp type of training. It's probably High-paced low rest periods Kind of you know, getting a pump in a sweat Versus strict sets of like four four or five reps and then rest periods for a minute and a half to three minutes Is that right? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I mean I found that yeah I can't even do like high intensity training for more than about 15 minutes Some of them are longer and I'm just like that's ridiculous. Yeah maps anabolic all the way I would put you on maps anabolic follow the program as it's laid out You could do three you could do three foundational workouts a week Do some trigger sessions on the off days watch what happens watch what happens to your body now You mentioned some about hormones and all that stuff. I don't think there's an issue there But if you do think that there's a hormonal issue you can get it checked out With our partners at mphormones.com and they'll do a whole assessment with you know that stuff But I I think the issue is your training is all wrong for your body And I would go maps anabolic straight all the way through follow it as it's laid out Trust the programming Within three weeks, you'll notice a difference. You'll feel like oh more energy stronger And then after about 60 days you should start to see some visible so long as you stick truly stick to it So that I'm going to make sure okay when someone's trained this way So one of the hardest things when I have a client Like this that's trained similar to you Is getting out of that mentality of like the workout needs to be this that needs to be this I'm sweating and I need to feel like I kicked ass That you don't need to feel like that and and And it's also really hard to get someone like you to sit still and actually truly rest for Two minutes before you go do your next set You would be the client who would always be telling me I'm ready to go adam. I'm ready to go feels like nothing Yeah, I'm ready next set next set. Can we do next and I'm constantly going relax. You're doing good. Just we're resting We're resting right now. We're gonna wait You still got another 30 45 seconds before I want you to do your next set And that's really hard to do for someone who is trained a particular way for so long So probably the biggest challenge of maps anabolic for you won't be so much the Exercise programming in it, but more so the mentality that you need to now have going into these workouts for them to be truly effective Do not look at them as Oh, I want to crush these and get through these That's not the objective here. Follow the blueprints. Give yourself the long rest periods in between Try and get stronger. I want each set. I want to be stronger. It's not about how much I'm sweating It's not how much my body is burning It's all about following the program the way it's laid out. Think about it this way, Joanna When you're telling your body to build strength and build muscle, okay Think of all the hormones associated With adding muscle, right? So you're going to get more youthful levels of hormones as a result of this Now if you continue down the path that you've been going on, which is boot camp style Workouts body pump obviously frying your cns You're probably telling your body to not build muscle and you in fact you might be telling your body to start to lose muscle Now think of the hormones associated with that process, right elevated cortisol Growth hormone not youthful an imbalance between estrogen and progesterone I wouldn't be surprised if you noticed changes not just in energy, but also in libido You might also notice more cravings as your body is trying to get more More sugar in your body to keep you alive essentially So Am I am I am I painting am I like accurate? Am I hitting all the points here? Yeah I mean, that's why I thought like I don't know Another source to go to because like I study this constantly like what what am I doing wrong because I'm trying my best to do every little thing that is going to give me some positive outcomes so You are you she's saying not working out every day. Oh, yeah Two to three days a week Now you can walk every day. You can do mobility every day. You want to do yoga every day. That's totally fine strength training two or three days a week That's it Yeah, something you're too to consider As you switch this up and focus a little more on strength training And you're sitting so much and you know your your commute and your muscles are going to feel like they're locking up and tight You want to really reinforce good posture? So to establish a good ritual to address those things like the hip flexors, you know, your shoulders protracting You know, that's something especially If you can find time throughout the day and get up out of your chair And kind of go against the wall and something I recommend we have One of the webinars if you haven't checked out yet, you know the prime webinar Where we kind of go into some of those easy things to do just against a wall To reinforce good posture And to to really attack those so you don't start locking up and having issues As you start actually like focusing a little bit more on lifting weights and strength training Yeah, it's it's maps prime webinar.com. Do you have maps anabolic by the way? No, I don't all right. We're gonna we're gonna send that Right over to you and just follow that to a tee on the other days you can walk Do yoga work on mobility and here's what you'll experience. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna be you know Nostradamus right now or or I'll be salstradamus Here's what you're gonna feel Initially when you follow it ego barely fits in the door The prediction if I'm wrong you can DM me, okay, but here's what you'll notice The first week you're gonna be like, this is not enough. This doesn't feel like enough I feel like I'm not doing enough working out. What's going on by week two You should notice an increase in your libido. That'll happen by week two by week three You'll start to get better sleep by the fourth week You'll start to see a difference in the mirror and then after you'll start to think to yourself I'm getting leaner. This is very strange. I feel like I'm burning less calories. Why am I getting leaner? That's how you're gonna feel when you start to train your body properly I would like to add one more recommendation to to you I would love to see you follow maps anabolic And then because you are probably used to training every day and I don't I never like to break that from a client If I've had a client who is disciplined themselves to exercise and do things to take care of their body on a daily basis I just I want to switch their focus right so strength training three days a week And then your other three to four days that you would normally be weight training or doing boot camp stuff I want you to go for a walk and on your walk I would love for you to listen to the resistance training revolution the book that sal just wrote This book is this book and the content that is in this book Is literally will speak to you and I just think it would be very therapeutic It would be good for you to listen to that while you go for a nice walk Go for a walk on the other days that you're not doing the resistance training and listen to the book Okay, that's my recommendation. Thanks for calling in joanna. We'll send you maps in a bowl Yep, I appreciate you you're making my commute bearable. So thank you very much. Awesome. All right, you know this highlights She listens to the podcast regularly. Yeah, it's taken her this long to call or even consider changing what she was doing That's how hard it is to know. That's why and that's why typical client. Yeah 100% She is like she's spot-on to normal. She's like 70 of the people I trained right there Yeah, I know when we I feel sometimes when we we we talk to these people on the q&a like this I always feel bad because I feel like they think that we're kind of like hammering them But it's like dude. This is you are literally so Normal these are the same conversations we've had like over the years like every single time So it's it's very typical and it'll end the hardest part of this will not be her Discipline to be consistent or her ability to bring intensity to the workout It will literally be to follow the programming to back off of all the intense training when she feels like Oh my god, I can do more to not do more because this is the this is the client who finish her workout with you And then you would see her out in the out in the gym floor an hour later still doing more exercise I can't tell you how many times I kick people out of the gym I used to do that. I'd see a client like what are you doing over here? Yeah, I really hope that she I hope she gets the book and listens to the book because I feel like What that what you wrote in resistance training revolution really speaks to a client like this And I think that it could be life changing I really do especially someone like her who's got the discipline and she's in pretty damn good shape At least what it looked like from where I was sitting So, I mean, she's not like she's got a long way to go somewhere. She just needs to shift her mindset Our next caller is jeff from Idaho. Hey, what's up jeff? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate what you guys do Um, so I'm just going to give you a little quick background and that'll help me kind of set up my question So about a year ago, I really started to get into lifting for the first time and by that I mean I had lifted a lot before But I had never actually progressively overloaded my lift So I started doing that as well as tracking, you know macros and calories And between about this time last year and the end of the year. I lost about 35 pounds. Wow And I went from around 200 to 165 and so at the start of the year I still kind of had a skinny fat physique So I thought I would just keep progressively overloading and making sure I was hitting my calorie and macro goes and just Recomp as much as I could And this worked really well for about five or six months My physique was progressing my lift got a heavier and my metabolism got faster But these last two or three months Everything just really seems to have kind of stalled out. And so My question is is this my body telling me that I need to go on a little bit of a bulk? In order to put on more muscle even though I'm not necessarily as lean as I'd like to be Or do you think this might be an issue with my programming and if I'd benefit following something like uh maps anabolic Probably both. Yeah, I was just gonna say both I would say go on a little bit of a bulk and change a workout program this whole time. Have you been following a similar workout? Uh, yeah, it's been a four day upper lower split mostly. Oh, yeah, yeah, dude Just yo for sure switching up your programming adding a couple cal extra calories in there and watch you break through that plateau Oh, yeah, I would go maps anabolic do three foundational workouts a week do three trigger sessions on your off days That's it. Follow that and then watch what happens to your body and pump your calories That's it. Yeah, pump your cow. You don't have to bump them that much. I think 100 calories Yeah, I bet you if you just change this programming his body would just start to yeah, but why not do both though You know, let's have some fun with it Your body is going to respond to the new adaptation give it some extra calories So you really pack on some muscle which is only going to speed up your metabolism more Even though you're not at your ideal body fat percentage. This is not going to hurt you Cool Do you guys have any tips like because I guess since I you know, I went through that cycle of losing the weight Sometimes it can it sometimes it kind of like freaks me out seeing it go back up I don't know if you have any tips for just dealing with that mental hurdle get rid of the scale. Yeah Don't stop weighing yourself. Um and judge your your progress by your strength and your performance in the Strength and performance. That's your focus now. That's it. Here's another tip. How long you've been listening to us by the way Uh A couple months or so do you consider us to be experts? Uh, yeah, beautiful. Just listen to us. That's all just do it. Just do what we told Just do what we tell you simple just listen You know, I'll ask you for trust right now. I won't have to ask you again I promise you just do what we tell you don't weigh yourself give yourself a few months It's maps and a box about three months long at the end of that three months. You're gonna be like, oh, yeah That's it. I don't I'm not gonna ever doubt What these guys say ever again, yeah, and I think you're in a great place right now You've uh, you've changed your physique quite a bit on your own already kind of doing the same thing and just simply following a program That's uh, a lot different which if you've been running a Body part split type of a routine going to anabolic full body is going to shock your system You do that with a little bit of a mini bulk since you've probably been that maintenance or lower calorie to lose weight Uh, I think that you're gonna see a great response and I think you should notice in the first couple weeks Oh, totally Yeah Awesome. Were you at nidaho? Uh, uh suburb of voisey and voisey suburb. Oh suburb Meridian and it's a suburb of voisey like meridian or eagle or like we're familiar with a little west of meridian. Okay. Yeah, good deal Yes, we have friends up there. All right. Thanks for calling in jeff Yep. Thanks for having me. No problem That change in workout programming makes a big difference. Yeah, I don't realize that I've been doing the same workout for five months My body stopped responding to change it. He's gonna see he's gonna see great results. Oh huge It's gonna be uh, like night and day, especially because he's already been doing what he's been doing for five or six months It was working. It stopped. Well, that's the biggest hurdle is the mental part Like a lot of people just are a little bit weary leery of changing things up because that's of the unknown And so yeah, so a lot of times as trainers, we just have to reinforce that for them I also I wanted him to do the calorie increase too because I bet you money If he lost all that way, I guarantee you he's probably closer to Running under his caloric maintenance or right around maintenance, right? So he's probably been hasn't been in a surplus in a very long time So just feeding his body more while also switching a program. I think he's gonna strength gains I think his metabolism is gonna fire right up. I think you'll see his body change right away Like the guy's in a great position. That's the perfect time to do that And it really will be about trusting the process and not you know Not worrying about a couple pounds going on the scale because he's probably gonna be building muscle pretty quick Agreed. Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com We have lots of free guides that can help you do everything from burn body fat to build muscle Improve your mobility. We have guides for personal trainers lots of guides. They're all free mind pump free.com You can also find all of us on instagram so you can find justin at mind pump justin Me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam