 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 48 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. First off, we'd like to wish Obi-Marcus a speedy recovery, got in a car accident recently. He looks okay, so we hope he recovers quickly. Then we talked about 90s bodybuilding versus bodybuilding today. I consider the 90s to be the best decade of bodybuilding, probably because that's when I was a fan. But there are some differences between today and back then. Not sure I would debate you on that. I don't care. Just gonna throw that in there. Then we talked about the Roundup lawsuit. So Monsanto lost a lawsuit. Apparently their product Roundup gave a man cancer, this is according to the lawsuit. So they have to pay out $289 million. First punch of many, hopefully. That's what I was thinking. It looks like it's the beginning. Then we talked about the guy who stole the plane in Seattle, the airliner, and did a barrel roll. Yes, that was definitely worth checking out the show notes for that conversation. And then crashed into an island, poor guy. Adam has been adding egg yolks to his Organifi protein shakes, both for the extra protein. Yolked. And the extra cholesterol. And because it actually tastes really good, doesn't it? It does, actually. It makes it really good. You can find his shake recipe on his Instagram. Also, we are sponsored by Organifi. If you go to organifyshop.com, use the code MINDPUMP, you will get 20% off. Did you give me the wrong site there, Doug? Yeah, I could do both, but you just... Well, the other one is organifi.com, forward slash MINDPUMP. Doug is having a tough time over there. Anyway, use the code MINDPUMP, you get 20% off. Then we talked about our other sponsor, Viori. They are making huge moves, huge moves. Look out, Lulu. Here we come. Featured all over the place. Their business is growing like crazy. Cool new brand. We found them first. Now, we got you guys 25% off. That's the biggest discount that they offer. If you go to Viori clothing, let me spell that for you. V-U-O-R-I clothing.com, forward slash MINDPUMP. We got you 25% off. You're welcome. We talked about how Google tracks everything that we do now. Should we be scared? Yep. Also, I want to mention on our YouTube channel, MINDPUMP TV, brand new video, Preacher Curls are what your bicep workouts... For the girls. ...have been missing. You know Preacher Curls was Larry Scott, the first Mr. Olympia. He made the Preacher Curl popular. That was like his exercise. No fun fact. Little Snapple Cap. Little Snapple Cap for you. Then we talked about going to House of Prime Rib in San Francisco, and we talked about our favorite restaurants. Then we get into the questions. First question was, this person's mother is 50, and she wants to start working out. Where should she start? Should she start with mobility? Probably CrossFit. Strength? Cardio? Should she start doing all those obstacle course races, CrossFit, pole dancing? We talk about it in this episode. Next question was, when we talk about the body adapting to cardio and slowing down its metabolism by losing muscle mass, does that apply to somebody who has a very physically demanding job? So all you guys and girls out there who do construction work, blue collar work, is your metabolism slowing down because you're so active all the time? The third question was, directed at Doug, this person wants to know what it's like working with us, quote, three knuckleheads. Doug, the jug coming in hot. Screw you, man. And the final question, how do we handle conflicts between the four of us? Do we get into a cage and fight to the death? Do we arm wrestle? Or do we take our clothes off and the first person to get dressed loses? One of those things is not the answer. The others are also not the answer, but find out what the answer is in this part of this episode. Also, I'd like to mention, MAPS performance, our functional training program. The one for people who want to be able to move amazingly and look amazing, it's 50% off. We took the price and cut it in half. You go to mindpumpmedia.com, use the code green and the number 50. So green, 50, all one, no space. 50% off MAPS performance. I'd also like to mention our bundles where we combine multiple MAPS programs and put them together. Like our sexy athlete bundle, which includes MAPS performance and MAPS aesthetic for people who want to build a symmetrical, bodybuilder-like physique but also move like an athlete. We also have a super bundle, which is a year of exercise programming. So you can find all those bundles and the 50% off MAPS performance with the code green 50 at mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time! And it's t-shirt time. Oh yeah, bring them. We had 15 reviews, we're giving out four shirts. The winners are ZIWJB1848, Vigatron, Titus B, and T-Joker22. All of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to ya. Vigatron summoning the power of soy. Dug, dug, dug, dug, dug, dug, the drug, dug the jug. I feel like... He's dug the jug. It is dug the jug. I can't like him as dug the jug. You guys remember why we call him... Yeah. You guys remember why we call him dug the jug? Do you guys remember the story behind that? Because he would pee in a jug? That's right. Right? He was on a road trip. He told us a story and there were no bathrooms and so he just peed in the jug. Was that what happened? He's a gangster like that. That's true. That was true. I said we're in Florida and my room was separated from the bathroom and in order to get to the bathroom I had to go through somebody else's room and I didn't want to. So I had to water bottle and I took care of business. Be careful when you're asking for some kombucha. It's just FYI. I hope it was one of those big leader ones because I know people that make the mistake thinking that they won't fill up one of those little... Oh yeah, yeah. It doesn't take long to fill up a small bottle. That takes a... You got to aim real good. You're going to spill. You don't want to spill. God forbid you get the split stream. Yeah, all over the floor. Now were you with him, Sal? No. Yeah, I was holding the bottle. That's what I figured. No, I wasn't there. I thought so. Oh, this is like an old story. This is like a college story or what? No, this was in Florida. Yeah, we all started talking about this afterwards. Doug is a... Oh, when we were in Florida, man. Oh, as in all of us. Yeah, Doug the Jug. You became Doug the Jug at that moment. Doug's by far the most gangster. What house was that? Florida, bro. Remember the house where we had... Well, we've been to Florida more than once and so I'm trying to figure out... Remember the house where his room and my room were connected by just a sheet and he had to go through my room? I think it was my room he had to go through to get to the bathroom. Was that when we stayed up but the... The flat. Yeah, the flat, right? Oh, okay. I was thinking this... The brick building one. Yeah, I was thinking the last house that we were at. I was like, that doesn't make sense. I don't remember but I forgot about that place. Doug is the most gangster out of all of us for sure. Maybe, yeah. For sure. He didn't look like it. Well, I learned that down at Burning Man is the, you know, peeing the jug thing. Yeah, and you've been there twice, right? You've been to Burning Man two times. I mean, because they have these porta-potties out there and you have to walk in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. Wow. Doesn't make any sense. You don't want to walk on the playa in the middle of the night. What's going on out there? Yeah. I feel like every time we talk about Burning Man there's something about it that will... So we'll bring something up and I'm like, man, I really want to go. And then we'll bring something else up and I'm like, yeah, I'm cool. Yeah. I don't want to go anymore. I have these moments, right? Yeah, I know because everybody else is... Remember how hard I was pushing it in the beginning? I was like, we got to go. We have to do it. Now I'm like... Like, I'd appreciate like a lot of the art there. You know, like you brought that one, you know, sculpture up and stuff. Yeah, it was pretty cool, right? Yeah. I mean, stuff like that is fascinating to me to see what people come up with. But yeah, there's that other cultural part of it that it's just kind of like... Well, it's super dusty and dirty. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't do well like that. And yeah, there's a lot of, you know, and I'm not down with that part. I don't like dirt. Ew. Yeah, like if it's too dirty. Yeah. Hey, one of our listeners took the advice of the French tip thing. And he's... They got their toenails up. Good-looking, fit, buff guy too, so it should work really well for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not working for him. Not in today's day. Not working for him at all. Actually, today it's not that weird, I guess. Yeah, I was going to say. He's probably just not unique enough. Well, so, and this is what, you know, I was kind of speculating is, you know, maybe... And he seems like a confident guy. I think he's asking... He's not... You can tell like the way he's even asking. Like, I've had people do it, and then you could tell even the way they ask me about it. They're just... They're insecure. I'm not getting a reaction. Right. And they have a hard time with it. But he just... He seems like, hey, dude, I'm rocking this thing and I'm rocking with confidence. I'm rocking out the way it's supposed to work out. Or like you say it is. But maybe you're right, Justin. Maybe it's just... Maybe it was cool. Different nowadays. Maybe it was cool 15 years ago when I started doing it when like nobody was doing it. I think we're about five years away from, if you want to stand out at the pool party, you have no tattoos, no piercings. Right. You comb your hair to the side. You have like a fade. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have like a flat top. And the girl's like old school. Oh my God. Like, look at that guy over there. He's so different. He's so like masculine. Weird. He's so strange to see a masculine guy. He doesn't even... He has a hairy chest and everything. Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, it might be... Hairy chest might come back. It may not be cool anymore. I don't know. It's been a while since I've done mine. So I still like... I like it. Keeps them clean. Makes my toes look better than what they would look like if I didn't do it. Yeah, they look kind of messed up right now. Right. Better than my gang green looking ones. Right. So that's part of that. You wouldn't be able... It's like makeup for your feet, bro. I feel like they deny you services. They wouldn't be able to work with this. You know what they do? Get the sander out of the back, please. And the blast shield for their face. So they don't get all the parts hitting them in the eye. They get the welder. Yeah. Dude, speaking of... I don't want that. Speaking of messages, you guys know my Insta stories. I post funny memes and controversial shit half the time, right? All the time. All the time. All the time. Like every day. I actually get a lot of followers now that just follow me for my memes, right? But anyway, I'm constantly pushing buttons and I'll get a message here or there about the stuff that I'll post. Where I'll piss someone off a little bit of whatever. But it's actually, believe it or not, quite rare. All the fucking snowflakes. Yeah, right. It's quite rare. Well, I posted one today that I did not even think half the time when I posted controversial one. What'd you post today? I didn't see anything that was controversial. Exactly. Which one? Exactly. So I'm going to find it. So, you know, I'll post something and I know when it's controversial. Yeah, there's ones that you post. I'm like, oh, that's going to ruffle some feathers. Yeah, exactly. Like the free speech one. I'm like, let's see what happens. And that's sort of a nice debate. I think the students gets people's hair on fire. Bro, this is so funny. So what do we always say about the millennial generation and the younger generation? We say how they're so sensitive and it's a bad stereotype, right? Right, right. But they always prove themselves to be that way. So I did a post. But it always plays out. It's the stupidest post of all time. So there's a post and it's got two pictures. One on top of the other. The first picture says, it's got a picture of like Led Zeppelin. And it says the 70s. $5 to see the greatest band. Oh yeah, that was a great one. Live and concert. It's obvious. Underneath it. It's like a DJ in front of like a rave looking thing. And it says the 2000s. $100 to see a laptop live, right? Yeah. Is that even controversial? No. I got like five messages, bro. Really? From kids who are like, Well, you know right now. They're like, this is a, this is a, this is a, you know, a little bit of like get off my lawn type attitude. Don't you think? I mean. What? Artists today get, my response to them all was like, it's a joke. Yeah. Like what? What are you defending this? It's a funny, I'm like, you're only making yourself look worse. I'm forced to defend it. Yeah. I don't care. It literally is a laptop. I don't even get to how you get upset about that. Yeah. Because it's comparing an older generation to the newer generation. That's it? I think it's, because they're offended. They get offended so easily. Good. Yeah. That's going to pick up a fucking instrument. That's like, Who cares? And learn how to play. I don't really care, dude. It doesn't matter, right? Yeah. I mean, It's no music. I'll make that argument. Right. It's just different, you know. But it's funny because I replied, I replied back to them like, you know what's funny? I said that. And I'm like, all you're doing is proving the stereotype that you guys get offended so easily. I think I'm the easiest thing. Wow. That's how funny it was that. Hey, dude, did you see the Aubrey Marcus, man? Got in a car accident. Wow. Bad one. It looked like duty. Both eyes messed up. Looks like he broke his nose. I very, very briefly talked to Kyle. I guess he said his car got totaled. I don't know what happened, though, so. Oh, you have a smash into like a tree or something? I don't know. I don't know. Guard rail is what I read. Guard rail? He's okay, man. He's okay. Thankfully, he's okay. He's out. It looks like he hit his face on the airbag real hard, right? Yeah. That's usually what looks like. Yeah, because the airbags just. An airbag will do that. Oh, dude. You didn't know that? Broken nose and two black eyes? You didn't do real careful airbags. They're powerful. Bro, an airbag, you know. I almost feel like hitting my steering wheel might have been better. Nice. I mean, would you look at how bad it is? So, you know how to get, in order to get the airbag out, because I talked to a client who got in a car accident, hit the airbag. It's like a cannon coming out. I was meaning it to me because she's like, oh, I hurt my neck and I broke my nose when I got in a car accident. I'm like, oh my God, what happened? She's like, well, nothing. I just hit the airbag. And I was shocked too. Yeah. And so she says that. She broke her nose and then black eyes just. Yeah. So maybe you're right. So in order to get the bag out in time, because remember an accident is like split second. Right. In order to get it out in time, they use a gunpowder. It's a lot of force. They use gunpowder to get it out. Yeah. And she says it felt like running your face into a basketball as hard as you could. That's how firm it felt. She says. Well, I can imagine. Like that old ladies. You see his black eyes and the broken nose from it. I mean, that's got to be the force on that. It's better than a brain. Well, no, you're right. Or breaking your neck or whatever. I mean, I'm joking. My face hitting a steering wheel would be better. I know it wouldn't be, but I didn't realize that the airbags were that bad. Yeah. Because have you ever seen slow motion videos of people's faces actually getting hit by basketballs and stuff and you see how much the ball actually goes in? So it's like that comes out fast and hard and it probably feels like it can bounce right off. And it's probably made of a real thick material. It's not like something real thin that the air would blast through. So it's probably pretty solid. That's probably a good analogy of the basketball. A lot of times people freak out afterwards because they'll smell the gunpowder or whatever it is that uses to propel the airbag out and they feel like the car's on fire or something like that. Yeah, it's pretty. But as long as he's all right, man, he's a really fit, strong dude, too. So I'm sure that helped him, you know, from getting any major injuries. I remember back in the day in the 90s when Flex Wheeler got in a crazy accident. You remember that? Yeah, back in the 90s, Flex Wheeler, who was one of the best bodybuilders of all time, but definitely in the 90s, got in a crazy car accident and then the doctors were like, yeah, if you weren't as muscular as you were, you probably would have broke a lot of shit. He still is my all-time favorite physique. Just appearance-wise? Just appearance-wise. Really? Yes. His symmetry? He's definitely up there. I mean, Ronny Coleman's one of my favorite because it just is how massive he was and how impressive he was. And with his strength and everything. So I'm a big Ronny Coleman fan, but oh man, he's got... Wheeler had the most prettiest physique. I mean, I think his balance, his abs and his waist, like he was right before all the guts started coming in. And so he had this incredible six-pack in waist and his shoulders, legs, his symmetry was just insane. His best physique ever, because I was also a huge fan of Flex Wheeler, but his physique over time started to get a little bit bigger. Look at that, dude. So Doug, if you can look up... Let's just... Look up Flex Wheeler 1993 Arnold Classic. I love that shot of him. His legs are huge. That shot of him where he's looking down is one of the baddest shots ever, that third picture over where he's just kind of slouched over, hanging over like that. You know what he had? He had cartoonish shape to his muscles. He had really small joints and his muscles were really long, so it like went into... So the best version of him, in my opinion, is his 1993 Arnold Classic win. And if you actually Google... If you look up the YouTube video of it, Doug, you can actually play him going through his routine. And so that third picture in where he's doing the twisting back double bicep, that's the Olympia. Excuse me, that's the 93 Arnold Classic. His body was so sharp, and I think it was the right size, because after that he started to get bigger to try and chase Dorian, because Dorian was first place all the time. You guys know what happened after Dorian left, right? What do you mean? So Dorian Yates, who was very dominant in the 90s, and he was just a mass monster, just a scary looking mass monster, Flex Wheeler was supposed to be... was like the uncrowned Mr. Olympia. He was like the heir to the throne, right? Dorian Yates leaves the Olympia, and everybody pretty much is like, Flex is gonna win, guaranteed. Guaranteed he's gonna win. That was the year Ronnie Coleman hit the stage and looked the way he did when he won. And came out of nowhere, because the year before that, he placed like 10th or below, right? 10th. Dude, that must have been a shitty feeling for Flex, because he knew he was supposed to win. Yeah, see, look at him posing here. This is the best version of his physique that I've ever seen. And what's unfortunate, that kind of is the time when we started going away from like this gorgeous looking physique to just who could be the most impressive, like the most massive. By the way, Google right now, Doug, why can't I think of his name right now? Not Big Rami, but the other monster, Rolly Winkler. Look at him right now in the offseason. So everyone's talking about him right now is... I know, he looks crazy. He is crazy. Crazy looking right now. Yeah, all those guys over there are getting silly looking. Rolly Winkler. Dang, he can do the splits. Yeah, there he is. There he is on the... Yeah, the second one. The second video is his most recent, like, updated. Yeah. I think he did the first. Yeah, that one right there. Yeah, this is what he looks like right now. You know what's crazy though, is he doesn't win a lot of competitions though. He looks crazy, but then he doesn't seem... Well, look at that, dude. The prediction is that this could be his year where he's gonna be up there next to Phil Heath, dude. I mean, I don't know how you don't give... He looks like the Hulk, man. He's monstrous. You know, here's the deal. Wait until he hits the stage, because you know how many times I've seen bodybuilders in offseason? I know, and then they get in... They look crazy. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them, I think, sometimes look better before they hit the stage, dude. Well, bodybuilding is... It's funny, because you can divide bodybuilding by eras, and you can clearly see when all of a sudden a new... A new rabbit hits the scene that everybody starts to chase, and it takes everything to the next level. And you had Arnold, who was that in the 70s, and then you had... What's his name? Lee Haney, who took it to another level in the 80s, which was now everybody got even bigger. And then the 90s came, and that was when the era of the mass monster really started, is when Dorian hit the scene, and he gained like, I don't know, how many... 10, 20 pounds, I think, like that over one year. Those famous black and white photos of him posing. And now... And then Coleman, but now it seems like there... It looks like there's this new era of bodybuilder where they're just looking cartoonish to a whole other level, because Roli doesn't look... It looks inhuman. Yeah, it doesn't look good to me anymore, but I mean, to eat surround, right? I mean, that's... And there's always going to be a place for this, because that's how we are as a human, right? We want to see who's going to push the boundaries the furthest. So we always have this entertainment factor to it of, I just want to see how big these motherfuckers can get. It's almost like their skin looks like it's going to tear at any minute from their muscles, like pushing it out. Look how impressive he looks right there. You know why he doesn't place hires? Because he's short. I think that's what it is. See how they're standing? They're all short guys right there. Yeah. You know what, though? I will say this about bodybuilders of the 90s, because usually it improves every decade. They're not today, and I'm sure I'll get hammered for this, but they don't seem as sharp as they did in the 90s. Why would you get hammered for that? That's a fact, bro. You think so? Oh, God, it's a fact. Look at all three. Even as impressive as they look, look at their abdominal region, their obliques, and everything. It's just not as put together as well. Well, you know why, though? I think that they finally stopped using deretics the way that they did in the 90s, because the deretics were killing people. Like, they were taking shit to suck the water out, pharmaceuticals, and they were looking... Like, you look at, like, Andreas Munzer, who passed away. Look at that guy when he was posing. He literally looked like he had no skin. Well, these guys are all still using diuretics, bro. But do you think they're using like they did back then? Well, I don't know. I mean, obviously, there's a bunch of dudes that start dying off it. I'm sure they changed the regimen. Hey, maybe we should switch this out, but I mean, everyone's still using diuretics for sure. What a crazy sport. Dude, crazy, crazy lawsuit that has set a precedent with Monsanto. Oh, yes. I'm glad you brought that up, dude. Did you hear about this? Yeah. 250 million. Oh, 289 million. 289 million. Wow. And this is just from one person. So he was a school groundskeeper. Yeah. And he would spray the, you know, the grass or whatever other grounds. With Roundup. Yeah, with Roundup from his truck on windy days. And a couple times, it would get all over him or on his face or on his body. And so he took them to court and said that, and then he got Non-Hodgkin's leukemia. So his case was that the Roundup is what gave him the cancer. And he won. Now, 289 million dollars for a company like Monsanto is literally. It's a sneeze. Yeah, that's like change inside the, you know, like in the couch. You know, they search the couch for change. They find it. That's how little it is. But that's not the point. The point is this is the first. They can attach the cancer to that is going to be. Now watch what follows that. There's like 40. I think something like 40 other losses. Yeah. Watch what follows that. I'm real curious to sit in on that, you know, court case and see what kind of evidence they presented. So that way it was compelling enough because like to just say that it caused, you know, that was like one of the key factors caused cancer. It's great that they can attribute to that. I would love to. Imagine how much evidence there has to be. First of all, you're innocent. Yeah. You're innocent until proven guilty. And then you better believe. You bought the biggest lawyers that you could possibly. Yes. You better believe they got a legal team to like. That's why I'm surprised. That's why I'm surprised that they won is crazy. Those biotech companies are some of the biggest, most powerful companies in the world. Yeah. And they're in all over the world. And they're connected to the government. They get lots of subsidies from our taxes to pay for corn or pay for whatever. They have a lot of power. So much power that when states tried to pass GMO labeling acts, the federal government passed a law saying you can't, that no states can do that. That's how much power they have. There's so much. So absurd. It's insane, right? But this is opening a whole Pandora's box because now that this guy won, you're going to see other people who are suing Monsanto use the playbook. Class action. Here it comes. Use the playbook. But here's the real thing. Because what they can do, they have so much money, they can just go in this and play this. You know, these games, it will be okay for them. But the more that these things hit the media and the more that people see them, the worse their reputation will be and the higher the demand for organic will be. The higher the demand for non-GMO will be. That demand is, it's already exploding. I don't know if you guys know this or not, but some places now are importing, which I find comical, importing organic food from China because our demand for organic has gone up so much. Right. I mean, it's insane. How do they prove that? How do they prove that? You don't need to prove. You could just see who's importing organic food. No, no, no. How do they prove the source is truly organic? Oh, no, no. That's where you gotta worry. Yeah, I feel like that would be such a... Well, I've heard even... Great. That'd be a hustle, you would think, right? I've heard you have to be skeptical even from just buying rice from China that a lot of it is shaved pieces of plastic. They found that? What? Yeah, they've actually found plastic particles in rice and sawdust and other products. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yes, yeah. Yeah, that's what you... I don't trust it. That's why I don't trust it at all. The best is go to your farmer's market, some local homegrown shit where you can go walk down... You know the farmer. Yeah, you go walk down to his house. We got farmer Tom, dude. He's our guy. Dude, how full circle are we coming? We started off in this country being farmers, like busting our asses. Then we like created technology and we moved out of the farms into the cities and we're like, we're progressing. Now we're making enough money to... We're like, I want to farm. I want to own my own farm. So I can grow my own shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of that, which evolved to de-evolve? Who bought the whole pig? Who bought the whole... I was trying, yeah, I was trying to get you guys to do that with me, but yeah, we're doing that. So we're getting a bunch of cuts from... We're splitting it with another family. I'm not a huge pork fan. If you do it with beef, I'm down. You're not a big bacon guy? But that's the thing, bacon and sausage for days, dude. Because we got plenty of eggs, so that was the compliment to that. Yeah, but that's the whole pig, so you're not only going to get sausage, you can get a bunch of other stuff. We'll get a bunch of other stuff. I'm not a huge fan of pork. It's not my favorite. I mean, we'll do beef, too, but that's more expensive to go in on that. Plus, that's a big... Yeah, it's a big commitment. Yeah. You need like a freezer, like a huge freezer. You know what else they found? Speaking of plastic and stuff, do you know what else consistently tests for plastic? Hmm. Sea salt. Hmm. Because when they make sea salt, what they'll do is they'll take it from the ocean, so they'll evaporate the water and collect the salt. But the oceans are so polluted that when you analyze sea salt, typically there's plastic in it. There's little bits of plastic. So you're better off doing like Himalayan sea salt, like Himalayan salt. Dude, that is crazy. Or good old-fashioned fucking, you know, like the old-school iodide. The ocean is so vast, and you're going to have like that kind of contamination wherever you go. It's crazy to me. Yeah, we fucked things up a little bit. Yeah, we did. Did you guys see... Speaking of news, did you guys see the kid, the 29-year-old guy, the groundskeeper who crashed the airliner? That's crazy. 29-years-old hijacked the plane, and by himself, though, and of course they send up two jets right away, like worried that it's a terrorist action. Yeah, I think it's a terrorist action. They have the whole conversation documented between Him and the controller, and they're trying to talk Him down to come back. We should put that in the show notes. Oh, I will. It's hilarious. Oh, yeah, I'll have Jackie post this for sure in the show notes, because it's... And not all the videos don't show the whole conversation, so yet I have the written article, so I'll give it to Jackie to post if you want to read it. It is crazy, because the guy is... His conversation with the controller is super calm. Dude. He's like totally calm. He's about to kill himself. He's trying to do some barrel rolls. He does do a barrel roll. Now, that you can watch on YouTube. What the hell? Look, Doug's got it right now. Look at this. Homeboy does a... He just crashes right into an island. He does the barrel roll, and it looks like about a few feet off the water. I'm sure it's probably like 50 to 100 feet, but he does the roll, makes the roll, and then he actually crashes into an island over by Seattle. Imagine being walking the lake, seeing an airliner that big, do a fucking somersault like that. Oh my God, there it is. Yes, dude. Well, here's the thing that gets him, that frightens me. First of all, poor guy, or whatever. That's terrible. He's some kind of mental breakdown. Luckily he didn't hurt anybody else. But here's the crazy part to me. How the fuck did he steal a plane? Is it that easy? Well, he works there. Okay. He's passed all the security, but... So? Yeah. Still? No, I know. To get access into the plane and the cockpit... Yeah, he's not a pilot. How the hell did he get in there and take off? Yeah, there's got to be like keys to get into that component of the... Really, the keys... Well, there's got to be... Yeah, but I don't think it'd be as hard as you think. There's got to be how many times in every single day is there a single one person coming in and out of a plane? Cleaning it, food... How did he turn it on and get it going? Yeah, exactly. How did he turn it on? All he's got to do is close it. Once he's closed it, then he's in there. There's like buttons that just turn it on. Yeah. Fuck, my car's harder to steal. How did he get it? He just went in there and turned it on? Put the club on it. Right? We're talking about this. I don't look at... All planes need clubs. Justin made fun of me the other day about having the club on my Camaro. Right? He's laughing. He's like, oh, the club, dude. I remember that. And I'm like, you know what's funny? The club. Is after my second vehicle was stolen, I finally went out and bought that because the cop, you know, the cop who came and reported it on my second stolen vehicle said he goes... He said, don't date crazy girls. No. He said, hey George, you're going to key your car and slash your tires. He says that too. Look at it, look at it. Look how close I got. Oh my God. That's crazy. So he tells me that the best... So I've got... I had, like, at that time, that vehicle had this badass alarm system on there that cost me a bunch of money. They still jacked it, you know, with that on there. And the guy tells me, he says, yeah, if you... Your best chance of keeping someone from stealing your car is by a club. He goes, most of these guys that go out to go steal cars, they don't scope out your exact car and then they, you know, they wait, they just... They're going to break a window and then hot water. They'll look for certain model types that are easy to break into and then they find them. So they're looking for an easy in and out job. And a club is a pain in the ass. Yeah, and a club, unless you got a hacksaw. Yeah, you need, like, a jigsaw with you and stuff like that. And, you know, the time that it takes to do that is too much time and no one wants to do that. So it makes a lot of sense. You know, it's the other way that's great for preventing people from stealing your car? No, a shitty car. Drive a Jetta. Stick shift. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that they say that? Stick shift cars never gets stolen. I don't care. It'll make my life. It'll make it easier. I'll get the insurance money. I'll be like, all right, I finally get some. I used to have it through so long. I was always like, I hope somebody steals this car. You know, yeah, like, please, you know. So no, if you drive a stick shift, the odds of it getting stolen are so low because people don't know how to drive a stick shift. Yeah, yeah, it is. I know, that is funny. I guarantee so many people don't even know what to do. Yeah, speaking of my cousin bought himself a 2006 Porsche Carrera, which is fun to drive, man. You guys ever get one of those? Yeah. Those little, there's a flat six naturally aspired, you know, 300-something horsepower, 4.060. It's fast, but it handles it. Yeah, the balance in the, yeah, suspension, those are crazy. Oh, it's so fun, man. So fun. Yeah, I used to valet up at the Villamintavo, and there was like a fire road. And there was this corner that was like a hairpin turn. I mean, it was like. You dick. It was crazy. And so I would just, you know, and you'd always know which car had the best handling based off of that turn because we would hit it fast and hard. And the Porsche's outperformed any other car I've ever drove. So fun. Now that I live right behind Capital Expressway, Capital Expressway's got the two four lanes over by the car dealerships. Yeah. So this is my, my like once, I bring the Camaro out now once a week, right? Back to driving it now that I've moved it over to the new place. And it's like the perfect little, you know, I take it down and I go, I take a ride out of my place and I've got the whole four lanes. And then I take a turn and I come back. And when I turn, I fucking whip, you know? Yeah. Right in front of all the, I'm just waiting for my ticket. I know it's coming sooner or later. It's just too tempting. It's four lanes. So I can't quite, I can't fuck it up if I try. You know what I'm saying? So even if I over correct and whip into a full donut, I still have enough room. It's just fun, man. You know, like, come on. And I do it at a safe time. It's four lanes. I'm whipping it around the other side. There's no cars there to stop. Be careful, man. I have to peel out my truck. Back in those days, those cars had very little safety, you know? They're like tanks, though. I'm conservative when I drive it still because you can feel that. I mean, when you get on it in that car, it's like nothing compared to any other car that I've driven. The cars, so again, talking about my cousin. So my cousin asked him, I said, why'd you get this model? And he said because this, this is everything is, it's not super electronic like the newer cars because what he likes to do, he likes to go to Vegas and he'll rent super cars. You can do this for fun. So he recently rented a McLaren and he's like, I'm like, how was it? And he goes, it's cool. He goes, but it's fucking, he goes, car drives itself. Everything is, everything's super high tech. There's, it's not stick shift. He's like, it's, that's no fun. He's like, it's very different. He goes, I like to feel the, I'm like that too. I like to feel the road when I'm driving. So like, like your car Adam, like you have to know how to drive. I've always wanted to drive one of those GT 40s. I always thought that would be crazy. You could do that. You go to Vegas. It'll cost like 500 bucks. You get it for four hours. Maybe we'll do that the next time. That would be amazing. That would be a fun thing to do the one week. Cause we've been talking about going out to Vegas. Yeah, that would be fun. I'll end up a good deal. A little track day. Drive crazy cars. I know this is a terrible transition to one of our commercials, but I have to give you some credit here, Sal, because you were the one that turned me on to the, I turned you on. Yeah. You do a lot. The end of commercial. You guys. End of commercial over now. Sal the Stefano map stuff. No, I'm going to have a bathroom break. We'll be right back. The Organify shakes have become pretty consistent in my diet lately because we were on this challenge right now. And I started adding the 3A yolks. And it's great because it's one. It boosts the shake up now. So now it's closer to a 40 gram. It's like 36 grams of protein. So I'm getting 36 grams of protein in there. And it actually, I think it makes the shake taste even better. I don't know if you got, I posted the recipe that I, I've been using, which is my blueberries, bananas. I just do it because of the cholesterol, bro. I really, I can tell the difference. It's become my post-workout shake. Yeah, I originally do that. Once you said that, that for sure it's helped, you know. Don't you notice the difference? Isn't that wild? It is weird. Isn't that wild? So cool. I got to give you credit on that. We're credit to do. Appreciate it. Which one to use vanilla or chocolate? I use vanilla because I'm adding fruit and other things in there. So I don't like that. I'm not a, if you were to just drink. Chocolate by itself. Why? Yeah. By itself with water or whatever, shake it up. Like that's cool. But I doctor mine all up. I mean, I'm putting spinach and blueberries and bananas and everything inside of it. Dude, speaking of our sponsors, what, what was going on with Viori? Weren't they doing, making some big moves? What do you mean? Viori, weren't they on? Oh yeah. No, they just, they, they made GQ. GQ. They made New York Times and a bunch of big ass art. They're taking off. Taylor sent it over to me. I should look it up to give them some love. I, you know, here's a, you know, speaking of Viori, right? And our boy Taylor, I mean, this is what I love about this kid, you know, is we, you know, we, he was on Viori over a year ago, you know, before anybody was cool. Before it was cool. Yeah. That's part of being cool, bro is being, getting on it. You're welcome. That is, that's one of the things that I love about having Taylor on the team is that he is, this was me when I was younger. I felt like I had this time to surf all the, the, you know, back then it was a website. You know, you could have read magazines and articles that you'd be reading and you'd pick up on new brands that were coming up and Taylor prides himself on being on the up and up and stuff like this. And Viori, I remember when he introduced it to me, he's like, listen, this is a very on brand. He says they, they're going to rival Lululemon for the men's side. Lulule has not really done well in the men's department. That's how they're going to start. They're going to make a name for themselves. I mean, he predicted and called all this like well over a year ago. And that's part of what we were. They're blowing up. Oh, they are. They're blowing up right now. They call, you know what they call that? I didn't know that. You know what that category of clothes is that Lululemon. But now you have Viori, which is like, you have a lot of men's clothes. Athletic Leisure. Athletic Leisure. It's brilliant because it's comfortable, it's still weird out and getting coffee and like doing stuff. And it's not weird. And we all know that Lulule fucking just ate up the whole market for women in that area. Everybody, you can't go out somewhere to the mall or anywhere in public and not see a chicken Lululemon pants at almost all times where there really hasn't been that market for men and Viori is doing that, dude. They're stuff. I mean, just women stuff. Yeah, I wear it all time and Courtney loves their shorts. She prefers their shorts over any Lululemon shorts. Really? Yeah, yeah. It just fits way better. It's like a nice, like underlining that fits well. Wow. Look at this. They project revenues for the end of 2018 of between 30 million and 50 million after already having grown 125% in 2017. So they anticipated 160% growth in 2018. They're on fire. Yeah. It's great to see, man. So check this out. This article just got posted this morning. Google tracks your movements even if you've turned location history off. So they did an investigation. This is because this is something that they said that they didn't do, but they're finding that they do do. They're tracking anyway. They do do. They do do. They do do. The investigation found that users are being misled by Google's claim that for those who turn off location history, the places you go are no longer stored. Right. With location history turned off, Google apps automatically store time stamped data without even asking. Of course they do. Dude. Like, it's so naive. It's like, of course they track any piece of data. They want that piece of data. The thing you have to ask yourself, though, is it more concerning or is it more exciting because of what it allows allows us to do? It's concerning because they lie. I don't care if they do it as long as they tell us, but if they say they're not and then they do it. Yeah, but if they do, if they do, people freak out, right? Just like, yeah, if you tell people that, I don't think it's cool. Like, people are going to right away push back on it, even if it's like the first step in this, like, yeah, but now we're going to be able to do this for you. This is all building into the predictive analytics for everything. Well, I think people are more likely to freak out when they've been lied to, not if they've been told. That's a bad move on Google's part. It is. It's kind of like the, you know, ask for it. I think they weighed that out, though. They just set it for permission. Exactly. I think they weighed that out. People would be pissed, like, I was talking about something. The next thing I know, there's an ad for it. And I'm always thinking like, no, are they really doing that? Are they really listening for keywords and popping things up? So check this out. We watched the Sandlot the other day, which is on my Amazon Prime account. So it's mine. So I would expect if I saw a commercial for it, right? Yeah. Jessica, who no connection to it, other than watching it with us and probably talked about it. All of a sudden, she's getting ads for, oh, look what's up. Look at the Sandlot crew is up to, you know, she's like, what the fuck? Why is this popping up on my phone? Yeah. It's crazy, but it's cool. I don't know if I like that. I like that. I like that. If there's stuff that I've been, I've been looking at. People are so easily manipulated. They follow you around. Well, that's just it. You're going to have to be, you know, savvy to that, which I believe the generation growing up right now that's growing up with this knows that. They're not, they're not naive to it. I hope so. And I think our generation in the old and even older are the ones that are the chicken littles about it that the sky is falling and it's like, oh my God, like they're going to, like no one gives a fuck about your life, bro. I'm sorry. Nobody gives a shit. You've seen Minority Report. Yeah. Like does that look, does that scare you because like going and walking down the street, like in being able to have retina scans and all that and like, like having things talk to you and like know that you're there. Like it's, I swear we're building into that. Here's, here's the only, here's what worries me. What worries me is not that these private companies are doing that. I don't know how far they can go and manipulating people. I mean at some point if they figure out like a hack with your brain and then they can really fuck with you, that'd be different. But so far it's like advertising. Fine. I don't have a problem with that. Here's a problem. The problem I have is the government gets really close to these companies. Well, that's the scare. That becomes a scare. Now they use that to manipulate us and they have all that data. That's when I worry because they're the ones that, yeah. And they mandate it. Well, you could only be manipulated if you allow yourself to be manipulated. I mean, just because, just because, I think you got to be, just that it's a lot, it's a lot worse than you think. I would think the same thing and we all think, oh, I wouldn't get manipulated. I know what I'm, I don't know, man. People have done crazy shit throughout history when you look back and go, how could you possibly allow that? Why would you guys do that? They weren't manipulated and it's not that, it's not that hard. I don't know. I think it's, I feel like it's harder to manipulate now. I mean, you can do it at a faster rate and to, and to more people because of the internet and the abilities we have. But then you also have the, the counter ability as fast too. So I feel like, that's what I think too. So I feel like there's always going to be these checks and balances of when things get crazy and extreme, like, oh my God, I can't believe what's going on with all this hate speech and we're going to lose it. We're going to lose our rights. We always pay attention. Yeah. Then there's going to be the other side of it that's putting that out there being like, no, we have to stand and there's always going to be the rebellion. Yeah. The worry is, yeah. Hey man, I'll tell you what, yeah. He warned us. George Lucas. A long time ago, you guys, like this regime was going to come in. So that's how the Republic dies with thunderous applause. You guys, like, hate on me for that. I'm telling you. Yeah. I'm a Jedi. I don't remember what I was going to contribute. You fucked him up, had a good job. Yeah. It's all good. If you ever say Star Wars and distract him, I wonder if your wife knows how I could think about it. I wonder if your wife knows that trick, like if you're arguing, you start to make good points. She doesn't. What's what? Star Wars instead? Okay. Wait a minute. Yeah. Oh, okay. There's a new, yeah, they even, like, introduced a new Sith Lord. Did they really? They did, yeah. Already, this just got released. That was interesting. When's the next one coming, Justin? Was it next year, I believe? And this one's supposed to be... Or is it December this year? I think it's December of next year. Yeah. It's nine. So yeah, I brought JJ Abrams in to kind of try and salvage. Good, because the last one was a little... What the shit happened? Oh, Darth Artrius. Archrius, thank you. Darth Archrius. Yeah. He's got, he has two of those, like medieval looking. Oh, God. Yeah. So that's kind of... It's called the new Sith Lord? Yeah. Well, they're putting them in canon so they don't know exactly where he's going to fall in as far as, like, Dude, this is so going to be, sorry to interrupt you, this is so going to be the Marvel... Yeah, of course. Dude, I mean, this is going to go, there's going to be which 30 of these things? Is this good or is this bad? I don't know yet. I don't know. It's going to exhaust, I think, a lot of the fans because it's just like, okay. Well, they got younger generations they're trying to... It's brilliant. It's brilliant on their part. It may lose the 30, 40, 50 year olds. But they're going to lose you guys anyway. Exactly. They're going to lose you guys. I'll stay with the main theme, right? The skywalkers and, you know, I want to, that's kind of like where I stay. I saw that they were doing another predator and it looks like, are they trying to remake it or is another sequel to the shitty sequels that they've done so far? Oh really? Another predator, huh? I thought it was maybe a prequel. Is it? I hope, I would love it if they would go back to like Predator canon like when Arnold was in there because after that it just went to... Predators was, actually it wasn't a bad movie it was just that like I didn't like the actors in it. Yeah. I mean part two was actually remember with Danny Glover? Yeah. It was okay. It wasn't Arnold. But it was, then after that it just got, it just went to shit so. It did more than two? Yeah. Predator? Yeah. Then there's Predator vs. Alien. Predator 2 and then Predators. You know what? Predator vs. Alien got a lot of shit but I actually enjoyed it. I liked it. It's in my movie collection. It's in my movie collection. Yeah. That was a gem. Yeah. It's not that, it wasn't that great. I liked it. I don't know. The first Predator was so brilliant. It was so smart. The makeup was smart. The effects were smart. I mean that was the, the first Predator had. Yeah. That was back, when was that movie made? I know. What was that, 1980 something? Yeah. And then they had the thermal camera so you only saw like the heat map of somebody walking around. Fucking brilliant. Yeah. Brilliant. And you know that Military Now has shit that does that. Yeah. I know. You know what I mean? It's pretty cool. Hey, I had a great time with you guys this weekend over at the. Oh yeah. House of Prime Ribs. How come I never heard of it? Yeah. We hooked us all up with it. That was. Delicious. The best prime rib I've ever had. Now let me tell you something too. Prime Ribs is a big deal in my family because we're my best friends family who I used to have Christmas with every year. And that's like the tradition is that you have Prime Rib. Yeah. My mom comes to kill. Yeah. So we, we eat a lot of Prime Rib and like, and we go get like some crazy expensive one and I have both sides of my family do this and so I've had some great Prime Rib in my life and that was the best Prime Rib I've ever had in my life. It might even be for me the best piece of meat. Yeah. It was so good. Bro, it was. I mean it was really good. It was so tender, so juicy. The horseradish that they gave me was incredible. Then you guys were, everybody was raving about the cream spinach or whatever. Yeah. That place was so good. No. I'm already, we're talking about running it back. I told Katrina. Oh we got to go back. We got to go there again. It was so good. I had a good time afterwards. How early were you guys tired from all the moving and stuff? Dude, I had no desire to drink. Yeah. You could have hang out. No. What do you mean no? I'm not a fan of that dude. I'm not a fan of, because I'll drink. Yeah. Because it's just, I'm not a fan of being the only person. We only had like two drinks. Doesn't matter. In a bar environment, I want to drink. One, yeah. And if we weren't in a competition, I 100% would have and Katrina and I would have drank. For sure. We had a good time. That to me, we're in the middle of this competition. We're at the halfway point. God, it's all on record too. It's going to suck if you lose after talking so much. I'm not drinking. I'll be like, wow, I drank too. I'm not really worried. I knew it was good. Doug is the only one I'm worried about, man. He's like an oak. He came home with me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He probably went to the gym afterwards too. He was sad. In spite of that. He went home with you because you gave him a ride. He had no choice. No, I asked him. I said, you want to stay with the kids and play Doug or what? He's like, no. Dude didn't take much. I was pretty smashed. Yeah. We were tipsy, but he took us, Justin took us to this bar. What was it called Tonga? The Tonga Bar. Have you ever heard of this bar in San Francisco? It's like you're in a, almost like a jungle inside. Yeah. They have like water. It rains. It rains. There's thunder and lightning and shit going on in there. Pirate thing. It was really cool. Yeah. See, look at the pictures. It's a theme bar. It's crazy. We had a good time. We're having good conversations. It was me, Justin, Courtney and Jessica and we're all hanging out and having a great time conversing. And Justin and I are laughing. And next thing you know, the girls are talking about pooping the whole time. Oh yeah. Yeah. What's up with that? Yeah. Oh yeah. I feel so good after I have a good, oh, you got to try this. And they're totally wrapping off each other, having a great time. And me and Justin are looking at each other like, man, you imagine if this was like a first date and our girls just started talking about how good it is to take a nice poop. Yeah. That's not typical. That's not typical. Conversation. No, not at all. Is there a sexual vibe for later on or what? No, nothing does that. No. No way. You guys are both on a mission for that. Mine's sober once it's out. We were trying to help her out, you know, to get you lubed up. Yeah, no, but we had a really good time. Great dinner, great drinks after work. No, it was fun, man. Maybe what we'll do is we'll run that exactly back when the comp is over and then we'll fucking go out and we will plan to go out and drink afterwards. I just want the prime that was the best fucking. I got the, I got the king cut and then I had them sear it. I literally could eat two of those. I was like, you know, I ate the excess. Like they give you a little slice after that too. I could have probably eaten like a whole another one. The salad was good. Everything. I have zero complaints about everything from the service, the atmosphere. I mean, it's expensive. Yeah. Right. So it's, I mean, if you... Well, you're going to pay, you're going to spend like 50 bucks a play. That's what it was. It was super simple like that. They master it. Well, you know, and they don't have that many items to choose from. That's a good point. They master it. That's a very good point. That's what they did. I've been to restaurants like that in Italy where, there's restaurants in Italy where you go in and they have one, it's one thing and everybody's getting it and you sit down and then there's your best restaurants are like that. The menu comes of one sheet. That's it. You know what I'm saying? Like that. Those are my favorite. They give a shit. What are some of the best restaurants you guys ever? Yeah. Or what would you place at the top? Well, so it depends on what I'm going for. Right? So my favorite fillet is at the grill. My favorite ribeye is at the cellar. My favorite fish, where's my favorite fish that I have? You know what, it has an incredible red snapper is actually on Santana Row. Sino's red snapper is amazing, even though I wouldn't recommend that normally for a fish place. I'd probably recommend somewhere like in Monterey or, you know, it's a great, you know, cheap, great restaurant that we eat a lot is Orchard City Kitchen. Yeah, they are. They are. And they're good prices. Great prices. It's a farm to play. It's a rotating menu. It's a very simple menu, too. There's not a lot of things on it, but it's always rotating. So like even like, and there's always, there's one burger there, but every month it's a total different burger. And then the whole dish is complimented. So the French fries are seasoned to compliment the burger. Everything compliments each other really well. It's really, really good. And it's not that expensive. So it's a common date place for Katrina and I. I've been, I've been to a few because I love going to really nice, expensive restaurants. I love the experience. So I've been to a few really nice places. You know, I went to the, what was that, the Ritz in Paris when I, when I visit, when I was in France, that was amazing. Been to like Florida and then been to like Florida Lee in San Francisco and was at French Laundry and, but the, the one restaurant, I don't know the name of it because it was a small little place in the hills of Southern Italy. This was when I was, you know, when I was married, we would, we would go to my ex-wife's town and the way her town works is it's on a beach. So you have the, you know, all the restaurants that are near the beach. And then you, if you go up to the hills, there's a, it's a different feel and that's where the town was built and then the rest of the town kind of built down towards the ocean. So we went up to the hills and we went to this restaurant that it was inside this, I mean, like I said, it was a tiny little place and it was, everything was fresh from their gardens and their animals. So they bring out this cheese plate and that cheese is they made themselves and the meats and the salamis they made themselves and then they're bringing us these mushroom dishes that they collect in the hills themselves and lamb meat and we ate for the best meal I've ever had in my entire life. Really? Yeah. You ever do that? You ever eat for like four hours? You ever sit at a restaurant and eat for like four hours? That's, everywhere in Europe and Europe, that's how it is. Like it's, if you actually think you're going to get in and out there, it's the only way to do it. You, you get all irritated. Like they, they, they rarely come back to the table. They leave you for like 20 minutes and they come back. It's like, it's over in Europe. It's considered. Whereas here, they bring you the bill with you. Yeah. They'll let you sit there all day long and that's, it's common. It's common for people to do that, to sit there and then some of them will smoke in between like, you know, courses. It's funny. But those are the meals where they're, you're painfully eating like towards, you know, two hours into it and I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to have a five, that's the definition of access. That's what they used to do. Yeah. Yeah. They were actually called, I think that's the name of it. Vomitoriums or vomiterium. I remember the exact name. Vomiterium. But they were actual rooms. That's what it was for. So when you're out, when you're hanging out and everybody's drinking and eating and drinking and eating and then you're like, I can't eat anymore. Go, go to the, the vomiterium or whatever. Do they call that bulimia? Yeah. That's what they call it nowadays. So that's what it was back then. Back when it was cool. Back when it was cool. Yeah. But that's what they would do. Like, I get it when you eat these huge, massive meals. I remember afterwards, I got back to the house and I laid down on the bed and I was just like, Yeah. I hate myself. Too much. Yeah. Would I do it again? Yes. I totally would do it again. This quiz brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Joe Pushner. My mom lifts and works out and she's in her 50s. But I'm curious what her main focus should be. Mobility and strength over more cardio-focused? Prioritizing correct form over increased movement? The typical Yes. It's not to follow when you train anybody. Not just somebody in their 50s, but anybody when they first start working out. It starts with correctional exercise, always. Because you want to set... That's the irony of this, right? It's like it doesn't matter that she's 50. You know, of course because she's 50, it's even more important. But it really is how everybody should be focused at first. Everybody should be trying to work on... I just got into this thing back and forth on YouTube over the bicep shoulder flexion thing and I was explaining to this guy like absolutely that that's part of it. Like it's impossible to not incorporate the shoulders in a full bicep flexion, right? I said, but teaching that to somebody who doesn't have really good sound mechanics will force them to probably let something else take over. And so teaching them really strict mechanics first then you can get away with other types of tips and movements and that's just from experience and the same thing goes with something like this. Like, you know, even somebody who's 20 or 30, they should be doing these exact same things too to start off before you do anything high intensity or before you go after cardio or before you do cheat sets or before you do, you know, anything like that, right? Yeah, if you don't set a solid foundation with good movement to begin with, all you'll be strengthening later on is bad movement or not ideal movement. So I want to kind of reiterate that so it makes better sense to people. If you don't, if you don't sit there and focus on correctional exercise that they have ideal movement, what will end up happening is you'll take them through a workout and you'll build strength and they will get stronger. They will get stronger without correctional exercise. The problem is what you will be strengthening is how they move, how they've always moved which if they're deconditioned, how they're moving is probably, okay, highly likely to be not ideal. And what you don't want to do is strengthen a bad movement pattern because it only increases risk of injury and pain and joint degeneration. But besides all that, even let's say somebody who just, you know, has the best luck in the world and they strengthen poor movement patterns and they never get hurt, fine. But you're still not going to be able to achieve what you can achieve strength-wise and performance-wise and building muscle and fat-loss-wise because ideal movements encourage better ranges of motion which are better for muscle development as well as other things. So you always start with correctionalism. Well, talking about mobility is a focus too. I think some people have like a misconception behind that as far as like trying to increase the goal is to increase range of motion. No, the goal is to get your joint to function the way it's properly supposed to function and to be set in place to where like it has all the supporting muscular activity to kind of also slow down movement to adjust for forces that are exterior to you. So really what we're doing is we're trying to fortify the joints through taking it through ranges of motion and taking it through activity. A lot of times it's just the fact that you're just not active in certain directions and movement-wise and so your body doesn't respond the way that it should and the way that it's properly set up to perform. And so to be able to go through that process and kind of figure out and identify the problematic type of movement patterns you've established just by everyday life. Like it's just these are all things that are very important especially going into your 50s your 60s and then so on. I remember when I first really put this together although the certifications do any of us does a good job of teaching this they teach correction and exercise before anything else but I remember when I really put it together and I would start training clients and you know because what happens when you get a client is you want to show and make them sweat and make them sore because you're trying to make them happy and I remember when I started really putting it together later on as a trainer and just saying look I'm to myself like I am not benefiting them at all even though I'm doing this to placate them it's not benefiting them at all and so I just was stuck to my guns and really focused on correctional exercise and the results they got was were better it actually happened faster. I was going to say that same feeling where I was trying to appease what they wanted right because they come in and they say I just want to lose 15 pounds but you know better that they're not moving properly and there's other things that need to be addressed and in the past I would default to that because I was afraid I'd lose a client and I wanted to resign them so I needed to show them the scale going down or whatever and so I fell victim to this many many times until I realized like shit if I could actually just getting them moving better and back then I wasn't aware of need I was just telling them to walk and move more you know and move more properly they would see as good of results if not better and just as quick really too so it's kind of maybe if you just looked at a snapshot of one or two weeks but over the course of six weeks eight weeks 12 weeks I can show somebody just as much improvement and change in their physique without ever allowing them to go out and run and that's probably the worst thing that she could do is to run I mean running at that age more than like unless she has like perfect running which is unlikely it is unlikely and if it is we probably if she's got great running mechanics then we wouldn't even be having this discussion probably so you know and this is why too I highly recommend prime because prime one has the attest in there so you can test her movement her mobility and then it has fortification sessions so there's sessions in there to help her do exactly perhaps anabolic and that's the perfect program to start almost anybody but most certainly somebody who's 50 years old that you're concerned about mobility here's an example when I'm talking about or when we're mentioning movement patterns and stuff and how your body if you strengthen the wrong movement pattern you'll get better at it and your body your body's always trying to aim to become better and more efficient at whatever you do the most of okay so I'll give you a good example a human being from farther overhand right like overhand is the ideal way to throw something for a human being now if you were to take a softball player a female softball pitcher I bet you she could throw faster and harder underhand and that's because she's been practicing that movement pattern over and over again that does that mean that underhand pitching is superior in terms of speed and distance no her body just got really fucking good doing it that way because that's how she's always practiced that's not ideal and you don't do correctional exercise with her she will get stronger she will build muscle she will improve body fat percentage and all that stuff but the problem is that she's going to get stronger in her bad movements and the way that she's moving now which is if she's deconditioned it's not a great way to move so she'll still get results and this is where people get confused people say well I didn't do that and I get great results and I don't train my clients that way and they lose weight and I'll get those up and you'll never reach your full potential that's the big one the big one is that there are movement patterns that will allow you to reach further heights than other movement patterns and if your goal is to progress long term and to continue to improve and feel better over time especially as you age there are movement patterns that are superior to others and you have to solidify those early on in the training you have to do that in the beginning because I'll tell you what right now it's easier for me to correct imbalances and decondition people than it is to correct imbalances and highly conditioned people highly conditioned people are a fucking monster have you guys ever had an athlete I had a pitcher I had a high school pitcher who came in who was pitching his whole life and had such a crazy disparity between his right and left hand because he's been pitching since he was a child do you know how hard that was to correct because he'd been doing it and training it for so long I would have been better off had he never pitched at all I would have started him off in a much better position and so what you don't want to do is skip that step train your mom get her strong whatever and then she later on saved my shoulder hurts my knee hurts my back bothers me now you're doing this whole reverse thing where you're trying to figure out okay how do we correct imbalances we got to reteach her how to squat we got to reteach her how to overhead press because her movement and now you're in this uphill battle and it's really really difficult well this is also why too we've always talked about our programs being moldable and that we encourage people to modify them for specific people like I don't know what your 50 year old mothers imbalances look like and I wouldn't know that until I took her through like a test like prime but once I'd figured that out and I knew and I would use that tool like prime and prime pro they're both designed as like a tools for you to compliment these programs I then go and I go okay X, Y and Z are the three movements that's going to help my moms imbalance out so I'm going to now implement those into maps read and maybe I'm going to get rid of the trap exercise and maybe the calf raises or something because that's not really going to benefit my mom that much and she'd be far better off doing these movements that are going to help correct her imbalances and so I'm going to and then I also I'm still going to strength train her because I know the benefits of that health wise and muscle wise and metabolism wise that I'm going to do for her but at the same time too I'm going to I'm going to program these other exercise that are specific to her it's really like I look at it is building up this ritual to carry on with them going forward because of to counter basically like all the life that they've done before that like it's like okay here's here's what you need to do on a constant basis just to you know counteract a lot of those effects but you still need to train you still need to you know add add load to to the joints and to you know make sure we get that resistance training in but this is this is going to be like part of your thing every day now if there was one message that I could if I could just sell this better than any than any other message I would be so happy and that's this a long time ago working out see exercise used to be about skill so used to go to a gymnasium it's a long time ago by the way we're talking about way before I start working out and people will go in there to perfect and practice movements so if you were trying to go to the gymnasium it wasn't about getting sore and burning calories and sweating that was never the the idea it was getting good I'm going to go in there I'm going to learn a little bar dip or I'm going to learn how to do a handstand climb some ropes I'm going to learn how to climb ropes then it turned into once we realized your burning calories once we realized oh you're getting sore and building muscle and that's the side effect then it became you're not going to the gym to learn skills you're going to the gym just to get sore and sweat and so that's what happens people go to the gym and they don't think about skills they're thinking about oh I'm going to sweat and get sore because I want to look better and burn more calories and all that stuff skills like okay I'm going to the gym today here's my workout you're looking at your exercise okay I want to perfect my squat I want to perfect my press I want to perfect my overhead press I want to perfect my curl and you're practicing my skills and trying to get better at them like you would any other skill like you would if you were learning how to roller blade or skateboard or whatever where if you're trying to skateboard do you go out and get on a skateboard and just go crazy to get sweaty and sore far better results far better results and you'll many times you won't get trapped in those you know those traps that people get stuck in where it's all about getting sore and making their bodies painful because you'd go in and you would just be like oh my squat is off I got to perfect my technique and just practice it like any other skill boy the results will be so much better way less injuries and you get that consistent progress for a long time rather than hitting those plateaus that people get stuck in because they don't know what's as skills right next question is from Kelzar the Magnificent Kelzar the Magnificent when you speak of the body adapting to cardio and resulting in less muscle mass and a slower metabolism do you think the same would apply to someone with a very physically demanding job okay so 100% yeah it would but I will say this because a physically demanding job tends to be spread out throughout the entire day because they've done studies on this and they'll find that when people do cardio at one time like an hour or two hours at once versus 30 minutes split up or 20 minutes three times a day your body is adapted faster yeah they find that the splitting it up results a more fat loss and less of that muscle down regulation or whatever so yeah you're gonna get your body adapts to whatever you do a lot of your body eventually gets good at it and you burn less calories but that doesn't mean you don't get the benefits the health benefits yeah there's still blood flow there's still oxygen moving through there that means more nutrients getting to your muscles yeah there's better posture probably because you're moving around versus sitting down in a desk so yeah because we make the case about the slower metabolism with cardio and I think people are now so scared to do cardio because of that and I'm getting these messages and it's like look if you do some cardio and activity throughout the day you're getting a lot of the health benefits forget the all we're saying is don't make cardio like the cornerstone it's like burning fat no no no but if you move ideal I've done cardio and built more muscle I mean why why have I built more muscle doing cardio because it made me healthier you know I've gone I've gone so extreme in one direction where I did no cardio right to where if I got on a treadmill and walked it at a three and a half on an incline I'm at a breath so then I just did that a little bit now my cardiovascular health goes up a little bit next thing you know I can work out harder and I built more muscle right yeah so it's not as black as it's happening is your body burns less and less calories doing the same activities just because you become efficient you know I mean you become super efficient at them you ever I remember going to work with my dad and he had this this trial this big flat metal square that he would hold with handle and it would have fat mud on it and this is stuff you throw you put up on the wall it's really sticky and heavy and you'd have a whole pile of it on it and then you'd have another trial on his other hand just fling it up on the wall and he'd do this through the whole wall and then he'd spread it and I remember thinking like that looks so fun and easy you know I told my dad two times doing it you're probably burnt bro I told my I remember I was like 16 years old I was like dang that looks so fun it looks so easy and my dad's like you think it's easy he's like give it a shot so first off that shit's heavy just to hold it there's a whole pile of fat mud on there that's like it's like hold a 20 pound dumbbell 20 pound dumbbell so I was like oh my god and then to flip it I was like my dad's so shaky so I just I was on the floor plus my hands and wrists were getting tired and then you realize I'm doing way more work than he is because I'm not efficient so that's why your body adapts that way just gets really good at your physically you know demanding job now when you guys have somebody like this do you typically recommend any sort of list cardio on top of that or anything else or you think they're moving so much and like, you know, helping them to kind of, you know, fortify their joints that are involved in a lot of those everyday movements, because like, you know, painters and like reaching all the time, like we have to, you know, account for that and be able to then get other parts of their body active and contributing and stabilizing. Now, not to stereotype, but in my experience as a personal trainer, training clients who, I've trained many clients who do blue collar demanding, high demanding jobs from construction workers to plumbers to stone workers and roofers, right? I've trained a lot of them. Typically, their diet's terrible, okay? That culture, I think, fosters bad eating. And I'm not quite sure why, maybe because they- Lots of Doritos. Yeah, they go out to eat- Donuts for breakfast. And they get away with it a lot of times because they're- Because you're moving so much. Yeah, they're so active. Yeah, that's what, I think that's where the culture comes from is that, I mean, when I was a kid and I used to go to work with my dad, my stepdad, who was the carpenter, I mean, that was a staple thing. We were at five o'clock in the morning, you swing by the donut shop, you get a dozen donuts for all the guys in the team. You go to 7-Eleven, you know. Yeah, 7-Eleven, all that shit. Yeah, that was all- But you're moving all day long. So all you have is a little bit of a belly. Right. You know what I mean? But you're eating a bunch of garbage. Right. Yeah, that's what I would see. So if you're trying to get lean, and again, I'm stereotyping, but if you're like most of the guys I've trained who've done this kind of work, just all I would do, when I get clients like this, here's what I would do, especially if they had really physically demanding jobs, I would have them lift weights two days a week. That's it. We'd do two full body routines a week, focusing on big compound movements, and then I'd have them fix their diet, and that's it. They'd all get lean and they'd all build muscle, because they were already fit from moving all the time. It was like the results were, you throw cardio on top of that. That is not good. Well, and the things too that we don't know that could make this even harder is if you are the exception to rule guy or girl that has actually got a job like this, and then you also don't eat, because I've like trained nurses like on this, right? And this was always a struggle with me. I remember one time, this client that I had that, she was well over a hundred pounds overweight. She was a nurse who worked 12-hour-plus, the 12 and the 16-hour shifts, and she ate like twice, and she moved like crazy, and she'd been doing that for a long time. So this person is- So she wasn't feeding herself enough? Right, and hadn't been feeding herself enough for a very long time. So this could also present a really, really tough client to help, because if you've been under-consuming, is helping the guy or girl who's started their day off with eight glazed donuts and fired Doritos throughout the day, three beers at lunch, and then the Taco Bell after work, that person's easy, because they're eating five, 6,000 calories of pretty much garbage. Once you balance out their nutrients and give them what their body needs, and maybe give them some good strength. Yeah, huge change. But there is someone who's really challenging that I've trained that's in this category, which is they're the ones who don't eat very much. They might eat, they're coffee, they don't have anything, and then they eat lunch, they have like a conservative sandwich, and then they have a dinner, and that's all they eat. But yet they're moving 20, 30,000 steps a day and doing laborist type jobs, and their body has adapted now to eating very minimal and moving a lot, and that person has a long road ahead of them. It'd be tough to put on some muscle for sure. Oh, yeah. Well, and just to burn a lot, I think it's less to build muscle, because that person feed a little extra calories and lift well, they'll build, they're typically harder to lose body fat, which is what most of them want. Metabolism is just so slow. Right, the metabolism is slowed down so much, so not knowing the full details here, that person could be. How many days a week would you guys have these guys, because I found two days a week to be generally the ideal amount for really physically demanding. Physically, yeah. Yeah, like when I would go more than two days a week with these guys, it was too much, and it's because they're swinging hammers and shit. Well, see, and to me, it depends on if they're the fed one we're talking about or not. If you're someone who's healthy, fed, and you're movement, and you're active, then it's no different than the kid at the playground who's playing all the time and moving, and still, so I see nothing wrong with it. But if you are falling in that category of someone who has, their metabolism has adapted to just slowing down and conserving energy because you don't eat very much, then absolutely a two day a week routine is where I would go for sure. One summer, let's see, I want to say it was the summer after my freshman year is where I put on, there was a summer I put on almost 15 pounds, just in the summer, which is a lot for a kid, especially a natural kid or whatever. And I was working with my dad at the same time, and I remember when you do that kind of work, especially if you're not used to it, you come home and you're, I remember my body would be buzzing, I'd be so fried from doing all that work, mixing cement. So what I used to do is, and this is also simultaneous when I learned how to really squat and deadlift from those power lifters at the gym. So then after work, I'd go to the gym and lift weights, and I remember for the first week of doing this routine, working with my dad and lifting weights, I lost like two pounds, and I was like, what the fuck? So I told some of my power lifter buddies, and they're like, you just got to fucking pound food, man. You just got to eat more food. So I went on a mission, and I literally, for breakfast, I'm not exaggerating, before we'd walk out the door, a quart of whole milk, I drink that, and then we go to McDonald's on the way there. And then for lunch, I'd eat this huge lunch, and then I'd come home and eat another. I was probably eating like six or 7,000 calories a day to try and offset it, but I did put on about 15 pounds of lean body mass. I remember going to school and the couple of girls were like, oh my God, do you have a butt now? And I was like, what? Yeah. I didn't have a butt before? Yeah. I didn't know that. Maybe you got back, yeah. All right, next up is from Attractive Juan. Attractive Juan. Yeah. Atmine Pump Dog, I guess that's me. That's you, Doug. What is it like working with those three knuckleheads? Hey, Juan, what the fuck? Best and worst memory? Would you change anything about them? Oh, wow. Did you think about this for a minute, Doug? What is it like working with us? Knuckleheads. Well, it's the roller coaster for, what the? Is it, is it really? It's not that bad. You get the impression maybe that that might be the case, but it's really pretty mundane here on a day-to-day basis, honestly. I don't feel like we have that many hiccups or that much drama or anything like that. Do you feel like that? No, not really. I feel like, especially over the years, you guys have become a little bit more focused. I remember at the beginning that I think the biggest challenge and frustration for me was that there were just so many things that we were wanting to do. I mean, we had this vision of becoming this business that we're gonna handle everything. Right. You know, all aspects of fitness. One-stop shop, Mind Pump, and that just gave me sleepless nights. Because you were the one putting us together. I was the one doing all the work behind the scenes, right? Yeah, yeah. Over time, what's happened is you guys have become a little bit more focused. And I think having the outside marketing company helping us and Casey helping us stay focused here, it's been a big help for sure. Yeah, definitely. We've had some big challenges, two personal challenges throughout this business. Right, right. I was going through my divorce early on. Then you had where you went off your testosterone, which that took a while. And then a torn Achilles. And Justin went through building his other business and growing that and then watching that thing or whatever. We've all had these big personal challenges early on in Mind Pump. And you know what's funny? When Doug was reading this question, I was thinking about that and how perfect it is that that all happened early on. Because I think, because those were some very, look, I can speak for myself. I know you guys were challenged with your own things. And I could witness and see how that affected you. But I can speak for myself. Easily the most challenging time of my life. Right, I mean, and I could say the same thing about the hormonal thing. So coming off testosterone, the dip in natural testosterone and feeling what that felt like, right? It was borderline depression for me. And then to tear my Achilles in result of trying to find something else to lift my spirit was probably one of the hardest things I've ever gone. The only other time I could think of was, and I've mentioned this before, is when I short sold my house, that was a really tough time for me too. This was probably the next hardest time that I'd ever gone through. So yeah, I know for us all to kind of go through situations like that while also building a business of this size. I feel like it was perfect. Yeah, no, I'm glad that it happened. Too, it taught me a lot of lessons like when I was trying to take on way too much shit. I didn't think there was a limit. You know, I didn't think that, you know, I thought I could just handle it all and be able to maintain balance and be, you know, a good father, a good husband and like be a good friend, good contributor to the business and all these types of things. And it was just so naive and it fucking kicked my ass. And, you know, that was a hard, hard, hard lesson. And it took a toll on my body and, you know, I recovered and everything. But yeah, I feel like, yeah, we all kind of got really tested and challenged along this. It was what a year and a half in I would say, when would you say that when everybody walked away from any other projects or businesses? About a year and a half. Yeah, about a year and a half. Yeah, because the first year everyone had to, we weren't even monetizing. Yeah, we had to, I had to make money. And then we started monetizing and it was probably six months or less after that that I let go of most of, let go of most everything. And then everybody kind of slowly did after or after that. So it was about two years, I would say once everyone had kind of walked away from everything else. No, I think it's perfect the way it happened because for me, what I got out of it, watching you guys go through your challenges is, you wanna know that your team is there. You wanna know that your team will be consistent and will show up and will do what needs to be done, even though shit is hitting the fan and the personal front. And you guys both proved that when you guys were going through your own thing. On the flip side, when I was going through my thing, what proved to me is that you guys were there to hold me up and hold things up when I was going through one of the most challenging times of my entire life. And I think it's perfect that it happened in the beginning. That's not something I'd wanna go through six years into the business, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, then you add in too, that was not even a year ago when you lost your parent. I mean, that's a big deal to lose a parent right now at this time too. So I mean- Isn't that crazy? That's what I'm saying. It's weird when you think about this. There's been some big fucking things- Very trying times. That have happened early on. Well, and a lot, I think in the past in other business, cause I've had a lot of partnerships. And a lot of them, I've remained still good friends but the businesses didn't continue. Partnerships are hard. And whenever I, like a couple of times this has been a topic of discussion when I've been interviewed and I always tell people I don't recommend partnerships. I think this is a very unique situation the way this all worked out. And I kind of give the analogy what it reminds me of like a law firm where it's not really like this, you know, this is your position, this is your position, this is your position. And like everyone's responsible for a certain amount. Everyone's measuring- Everybody does what they need to. Yeah, everyone kind of contributes to the same pot and everyone's always, and everyone's so focused on contributing to that that there's never any time to sit back and say, oh, he's doing more for the business than this person or this is more valued. Like none of that ever happens. No, it's funny because in a lot of ways we all have these egos, right? Of course, you know? But on a lot of other ways, I always get, I'm so grateful that everybody has egos but then everybody also knows how to put it aside. That's the thing that I think is- Unique as well. Yeah, because, you know, if we're doing something and here's the deal, when you have a bunch of people working together, in this case it's us guys, right? And all of us in our own right is a bit of a control freak. All of us in our own right tends to be alpha, tends to wanna- Competitive. Competitive wants to do things. But, you know, that could be a tough situation because you could be working with someone, they could do something better than you or whatever and you could not like that because you're not the one doing it. But all of us are kind of like, oh cool, you do that, you know? And everybody's cool about it. There's no- Well, the- And it's a very, that's a very unique thing. It is unique and I've had moments of it in my life and I'm sure Justin can speak this too. It's what is unique to me is that you and Doug fit so well in this where it reminds me of sports. And when I've played on teams where we have some of the most athletic players or some of the best players and we weren't the best team. And the reason why we weren't the best team is for that exact reason that you just pointed out is that we've got these talented, massive egos in their own right. And because of it, as a team, we never were great. But when you find a team where everybody has got those massive egos, they're super competitive, they're super talented, but then they care more about winning than themselves. And they truly, like a lot of people could say that. Like, yeah, I just, I want to win. But yeah, but at the same time too, you want the glory, you want to be recognized, you want to be the face, you want to be the man. It's a great analogy. I've thought of this quite a bit, actually why it works the way it works. And in my mind, as far as like, you know, checking myself or just like contributing, like I remember being on a winning team, like when I was in high school and that was how it was. There was just stars all over the place. Like you'd have somebody, like, and I knew I could count on them for this very specific aspect of what we were trying to achieve. But then again, you know, like me, like I knew I had to step my game up to elevate the team as a whole. And so it was always this looking at each other, like making sure we're all striving for the best and sharpening each other. So that's something we definitely share, you know, in this business, which is unique. And I think what's important is that everybody in here, which I think is kind of crazy, is everybody could do what another guy does, right? Everybody can do that part of that person's job if need be, if they had to. But what everybody also recognizes is that there's a guy out of the four of us that is better at something at everything. And everyone just kind of lets go about it. It's just like, and there's only sometimes there's moments of that struggle of like, oh, and then one of us ends up letting go of it and be like, you know what, at the end of the day, like I trust Justin to do that. Like I just trust him to do that and to do it better than me. And even if I would do it better this one time, overall, he's gonna do that area or that part of the business better than me. It's not a great feeling though. It's also kind of a great feeling because I've never really experienced that in the past working with other people. I've had partners also, but I've never really experienced that before. So it is pretty cool. But it's not like, it's all roses and fucking daisies. No, no. There's definitely challenges and all that stuff. Wow, man. But I mean, I would, I mean, it's great. I like that. I know everybody stands at any given moment. I'm never like, whoa. Well, that's thinking. I wonder what you know. Yeah. I know. You know what I mean? Inspiring against anybody in the area. Yeah, no, it's a very, it's a great. Well, I was doing, I was mentoring Taylor and stuff like that and giving him some insight on tough conversations that all of us have, that nobody gets to see, you know, that we have all the time. All the time we have very, very hard, uncomfortable conversations, but there's always this respect level for each other that it's never this personal thing. It's always about the business and each other and us winning again. And if what happens a lot of times, I think in situations like that, that easily can just be not talked about. Someone could just be like, it's not that big of a deal. I don't really care. I'm not gonna speak my mind. I don't wanna ruffle feathers. And then feeling. Right, then nothing gets said. And then it builds and builds and builds. Yeah, you're resentment. And it gets resentment, right? Versus, I'm gonna say something that is, may not be popular and it may rub somebody the wrong way at first, but it's how I'm feeling. And I'm gonna come that way at them versus suppressing it and allowing it to build up and then resentment and then attitudes and things like that happening where everybody in here is really good about that if they feel about something, they speak it and then we have dialogue around it. And sometimes the dialogues heated and it's firing back and forth and arguing and it's, no, and I'm none. And it's going back and forth with making points but we get it out, right? And we get it out and then something that you guys do which reminds me of my relationship with Katrina that I talked about on the show the other day that I absolutely love is that no matter where the disagreement happens when we leave I feel like every guy doesn't try and strengthen their argument. They go try and see it from the other guy's perspectives. It's done. Yeah, that's it. That's the worst fucking, I hate, this is how I would manage people many times is I'd be like, look, we're gonna fix this now. We're done with it, we're done. And that's it. You keep talking about it afterwards. That's where you get that resentment and the bullshit and all that crap. But they were asking you your best and worst memories, Doug. Give us some of those. We ran with it. Yeah, give us some. Yeah, what are some good and bad memories? This was my question after all. I jacked. No, let me just go with the worst memories first. And most of the worst memories are of my own doing. For example, in Florida, I think it was Florida where I forgot the backpack and the back of a rental car and had all the, well, I thought it had all the memory cards for all the episodes we did down in Tampa. Oh, man, that was like my heart dropped. That's the most scared I've ever seen you. Yeah, yeah, man, I was like so stressed out. None of us could really get upset because you were so stressed out and upset about it. We were just all like, let's just hope Doug's cool. Well, I was more concerned about the aftermath. Cause, oh, by the way guys, all the interviews, I've lost them all. Oh my God, I would have never, that would have been. So yeah, that was probably one of my worst times since doing this business. The other one was too, right after we had, what's his name, Ben, the Bachelorette guy. Ben Zorn, Ben Zorn. Yeah, we had him on the show. And he was like our biggest interview. Oh, I remember this. That we had ever had. This was early on. He had like a huge social media following. We had no real exposure at that time. And so we really anticipated that episode was gonna be the episode that would kind of catapult us. Not really knowing anything about social media and influence. But anyway, at that time, our hosting service was not Libsyn. It was another company that we had utilized. That's right. And it just so happened to go down on us the day that that episode dropped. And not in a good way. I think Adam and I were texting you like every five minutes. I could feel all the tension. And of course, I felt the weight of the world on my shoulders. And I was trying to resolve this issue. This episode was supposed to be going up. Ben had texted it out to his... Well, and the concern was that he had signed a non-disclosure with NBC. Oh, we got all conspiracy theories. Right, and that's what... ABC or who are ABF, whoever. I don't forget who the bachelor is. Do you remember that? But he signed a non-disclosure and he wasn't allowed to talk about the certain show. And we aired something that we were... I remember we all talked about like... Like, oh, shit, did they shut us down? Yeah. And so we all... Like anybody gives a shit. We had like a hundred listeners. We were like three weeks into the program. It was like a hundred listeners. There's probably a little more than that. No, no. There's probably like a thousand of us. We were a few months into it. I forgot about that, Doug. I forgot all about that. Oh, yeah. So that was a very stressful moment for me. And then come to find out we finally got the episode up and... Yeah, we got a little bump. Didn't matter. Like five more people. Didn't matter. Not many people were listening at that time. That was a good lesson, though, too. Speaking on the business, I mean, that was a big learning curve for us. I mean, Doug's right. I mean, at that point, we had never had anybody with over a hundred thousand followers. Post about us. Yeah, post about us or been on the show or anything at the time. And I knew Ben, and I remember inviting him down and having him show him. Man, we were just like, this is all we needed. We just needed one person. We just need one person to give us some exposure and it's game over. And it was like flat. Now we'll be like Oprah. And it was like... I remember that was a moment of like, oh, shit, this is not gonna be as easy as I thought it was gonna be but we just gave one person who's... Yeah, three and a half years into it, we're still waiting for that person. Come on, please, someone. No, this is why Oprah. I talk about this all the time on shows is like it's not what people think it is. And in fact, the adding 10 or 20 people a day, when you do the math on that, it's so hard. Everybody compare, if you're in this type of a space, you're comparing yourself to the people that have millions of followers, have gained this fame or went viral, whatever. And so you're comparing your business and when you start doing the calculations and you go, wait a second, if we add 20 people every single day, 20 new people listening, that would be awesome. But wait a second, how long does it take for us? 30 years. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Holy shit, that means we're gonna be doing this for 15 years before we even get any real 30 year overnight success. Right, so I don't know, I think people don't realize that very much and they get so focused on that number versus what that, I think that kind of helped us early on to see that and to stay focused on the value building in the people, the small amount of people that we had listened to. There's no silver bullet. No, there isn't. And you're far better off, I said this the other day too, that you're far better off only adding 10 people a day versus adding 1,000 people a day, but the 10 people you service really well and you add value to their life, then 1,000 random people that are just lucky lose that are dropping in to see what you're doing. And that is how you build a substantial business. What about highlights, Doug? You said all the negatives. Have you got any positive shit that happened? Jesus. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, a lot. Yeah, would have been like your most like, fuck yeah, where you're excited. Well, I would say just kind of, I don't know, it sounds a little bit, I'm not sure the word here, but I would say, every day I come in, I enjoy myself. Okay. That's cool. Which is great. I mean, anytime you're doing some type of a job, so to speak, you wanna enjoy yourself on a day to day basis. And so I feel like I'm certainly in the best space for myself, but the real highlights are when we get on the road for me. So when we go off and we travel someplace or just even go up to San Francisco, up to the prime rib place, that to me is really a highlight. And of course, then we have some financial highlights, things like that, which are always a lot of fun. Milestones, yeah. But no, for me, just hanging around a campfire or a fire pit, like when we went up to Santa Cruz. That shows your age and wisdom there. It is. The ability to- The important stuff. Right, right. The things that, it's funny you bring this up. So this Sunday, Katrina and I come in here and we work out pretty consistently. And I actually had a moment like that where I'm opening the gym and I'm walking in, doing the alarm and stuff. And I think, you know what? I stopped myself for a moment and to just appreciate the ability to do that, to be able to walk into, quote unquote, my gym, my own place, nobody else in there using it, plug my music in, you know what I'm saying? And work out with my girl for as long as we want and sit in a sauna afterwards. And I think to myself, like how much I take that for granted that if you were to ask me when I was 20 years old, just getting into fitness, how much that moment would mean to me. Like that moment alone, just to be able to do that, and to not stress about keeping the door open, right? Like, cause that's the other thing too. There's a lot of people that open up gyms right now, which I don't advise, because I think it's a very challenging business to do that they have the stress of keeping it busy. And it's like, you don't even get to really, like we thoroughly get to enjoy this place. No, this is legit your gym. Yeah, like I've contemplated working out naked in here a couple times, just because I fucking can. We got the scary camera. Put the sock on the door on the outside, man. That's so we know something. But I mean, the ability for you to catch those moments, Doug, I think you're right. The fact that we can go have an $800 prime rib dinner and not bat an eye over it, because that's stuff that, and with the whole team and have laughs and enjoy it and not stress over that, where revenue's gonna come the next day. I mean, that's really what it's all about, is to be able to do all those things. And like you said, come to work every day and enjoy what you do. We were talking about, we were actually, when Justin and I and our girls were out after dinner, we were talking about this and how maybe sometime soon we could even plan a vacation where we all together go somewhere with our families. So that we talked about that on the drive home. Yeah, oh, you guys did too. Where we could take a two week vacation, but also take our work in the morning and then we take off. Take our equipment with us and we're in fucking Florence or whatever. There's a lot of freedom in that. And we could record our episodes in the morning, do our work and then the rest of the night go out or whatever. Cause I think it is important that we all get the families together too. So everybody, you know, cause it was nice having Jessica and Courtney together hanging out. It was important to do this. Yeah, because it's a big family, you know? But yeah, maybe we could do that at some point. I agree. Our next question is kind of similar. Lucky Hogi, how do you guys handle conflicts between the four of you? Are there any times that you have serious conflicts or disagreements? We, it's a fight to the death. So, yeah. Yeah, it's our wrestling challenge. Somebody died. Actually, I did a whole new thing. I'm like, we're larping from now on. So now we're gonna figure this out. How often would you guys say, lightning on a weekly, monthly, quarterly basis, do you think that we get into disagreements? How often? Like big disagreements? Well, I mean. It's not that common. I mean, it's a bunch of little disagreements. Yeah, and sometimes it's big. It's usually Adam and I. It's usually you and I that get into the conflict. Exactly. That's the common. Well, Justin and Doug are easy. You know what I'm saying? Like they're easy to get along and they're like, they're not much on causing waves. Either that or they're just wise. You know, they're just sitting back and just like, let this play out. I know where this road's going. That's probably true. I mean, I would think that I think we have, on a weekly basis, we have disagreements. I think that's just it is that we don't, there's no such thing as big problems, only problems that we make big, right? I really believe in that. And I believe that when we do have these disagreements, they could have been big. They all could be big. You know what I'm saying? They all could turn into drama and a big fight in this like pulling left and right. But I think none of them, none of them do we ever allow to give. No, I think there's like this unspoken rule where it's like we're gonna go, we're gonna talk or disagree. Everyone's gonna be straight. Everyone's gonna be honest. And then when it's done, it's done. It's almost like that's the unspoken rule. You know what I mean? When it's done, we're over. It's been solved. The answer, we know what the answer is. Everybody agrees and that's it. Get over it. Like if you didn't get your way or if they didn't get whatever, you get over it and then you move on to the next thing. And that's it. And then if you end up finding out that, later on that we should have gone in a different direction. There's no like. I told you, you just fucking. Because I was part of that. You just pulled you over that. You know what happens sometimes. Here's what happens a lot of times, especially with business partners. You'll have two business partners who will debate and argue, discuss an idea. Like let's say one person says, we need to spend $50,000 advertising over here. And the other person says, no, that's a stupid decision. Take the 50,000 and invest it over here. And then there's this big debate. And then they finally at the end of it decide, okay, we'll put that money into advertising. That's what we decided to do. And then afterwards, they learn it wasn't a good investment. And maybe the other idea would have been better. You know what a lot of people do after that? They rub it in afterwards. I can see I fucking told you, I should we should do that. That's how you get resentment. The way I feel like we tend to handle it is if that were to happen. You were all equally happy. Well, I made the decision with you. Oh, you were right. Yeah. You know, it's like acknowledged. Or no, even if you were wrong, even if you were wrong and my idea was right, at the end of the day, I agreed to go, we all agree. Well, I feel like each one of us, if we were wrong, like, if it all plays out, you know, the way that somebody else was right, it's like, you're gonna like almost like, you know, put that out there. Like, hey, man, you were right about that. That's crazy. You know, it's like, I'm not like, like, oh, man, like I'm so stupid. Like I said the wrong thing. Well, who gives a shit? Like whoever's right is right. Like at the end of the day. And I think that's how we operate. I mean, this happens all the time. There's always time. Sal's right. Him and I probably have the most disagreements. And there's plenty of times where he's right. And there's plenty of times where I'm right and I'm wrong. So at the end of the day, the business ends up being right. That's what matters. I really don't know. So if I'm like, for example, one of the- Would you rather be right or win? Yeah, exactly. And so that's why I like the sport analogy with the way this dynamic works. And I think where it doesn't work is when people get offended and they let their personal feelings get involved where we look at it always as like, okay, for example, like picking it to the sports analogy. You know, when you're playing with a team of players and you are critiquing the game, right? Like, for example, the play that we just ran. And I came to Sal and I go, hey, bro, what the fuck, dude? You got to set a screen right there. And when you pivot and you open up, you got to seal the guy and you got to seal him with your hips and do it like this. Instead, he doesn't look at me and get all butt hurt that I'm acting like I'm better than he is. If I'm giving advice that has something to do with the game being played better and us winning the game, he's going to take heat to that. He'll be receptive towards it. And maybe I'll give him advice sometime and he goes to do it and it blows the play and now it's worse. And it was bad advice that I gave him. He now will fix it. There's not this rubbing in, oh, you were wrong. I was right. It's not about that. And another problem too, you'll see a lot of times on teams is they will, let's say there is a disagreement or debate. One person ends up, it goes that person's way. Then when they leave the office or whatever, the person who was whatever you want to say wrong or didn't get his way doesn't support the other person's plan now. Almost as like to try sabotage. That's taking it personal. That's a bad- That is the worst. There's a bitch move. It is. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes people do it subconsciously. Sometimes they're just like- He's like sabotaging. Yeah, because they don't agree with your idea. They're not going to put their- No, that's an excellent point. This happens to a lot of people. And that's again, allowing your, this is very, very common. It's a great point. A lot of times people think that they're playing like a team together and then- No, but because they didn't agree with it at the beginning. Yeah, because they were wrong. They're not going to put their- Now all of a sudden they have like this chip on their shoulder and then they're out to prove the other person wrong. And again, allowing the ego to get involved where I think everyone dissolves their ego in this situation. At the end of the day, I don't give a shit. Whatever we decide to do, even if it's an idea that I'm like arguing against, I am going to execute my side as much as- In fact, the way I look at it is if honestly, if I truly think it's a bad idea, I'm going to try even harder because I'm worried that it might not work, right? I'm going to apply myself because at the end of the day, the goal is there's one singular focus. And here's the deal. When a unit works together like one mind and one body, they are very, very effective. When you have a bunch of scattered people all with their own goals and everybody, this person wants to move up the ladder a little bit and this person wants. And I don't like that guy's idea, so I'm not going to try and help at all. And you're fucked. Your business is fucked. You're not going to succeed. There's no way- And I don't care how talented your team is, you're not going to succeed. I've had some of the most rag tag teams managing gyms and we did incredible things. And it was because four people working together with the same passion, with that same attitude, far more successful than a team of four superstars who don't give a shit about it. Yeah, that run at 60%, right? It just having four supers. And then you see this in sports all the time for that exact reason. Back to that analogy of setting the screen, I mean, Sal has that option after I come over and coach him to do that, to do like a half-ass version of what I just did to make sure that- So I could say to him. Right, just so you can- So it fails. And if you really care about being right more than you care about winning, you're the type of person that does bullshit like that. But I know that nobody in this room is like that. If someone comes with a critique in the business and even if I disagree with it, I'm still going to give my best at what they're saying in hopes that the first time we attempted and that we all agreed on, we hit it out the park. And then if it doesn't fail, I know I gave it my best and now, okay, well, it didn't work, so let's try something else. I also think too, when you have a team that sees a, there's a goal that's kind of overarching and larger than or bigger than the individual goals. I think that helps a little bit too, because at the end of the day, we are a business. We are trying to become successful. We do want to create this media, in the fitness world, create this media empire and all this other stuff. But what's the overarching goal and theme? I mean, here's the bottom line. Especially Adam, Justin, and I, we've been working with and training people for decades. We've been helping people with fitness for decades. You don't do that for that long unless you actually care about people becoming healthier and becoming more fit. You don't do it because of the money. It's not a money business. Being a personal trainer, you can do okay, but it's not like investment banking where you're gonna go in and you're not motivated to go in there for money. You're not motivated because you like helping, oh, shit, Adam was in the weed business making shit tons of money, came back to fitness because it's his purpose, right? So we have this overarching goal, which at the end of the day, we still wanna be successful, we wanna make money, we wanna grow the business, but at the end of the day, we want to create the right message for this industry. We wanna move this industry in a direction that helps people. We wanna get people having the right conversations, introducing the right people through our media, through our reach. And so because we have that overarching goal at the end of it, it's easy for you to take a hit in the ego. You know what I mean? After a conversation, it's okay. At the end of it, it'd be like, all right, fuck it. My idea, nobody liked it. Everyone's going with the other idea. But at the end of the day, our goal is like, this is the big overarching theme. That's the direction we're gonna move. Because at the end of it, my goal isn't to fucking come out of this and be the fucking ego champion. I really don't give a shit about that, to be honest with you. I can care less, I'm too old for that shit. Nobody cares about that. I think everybody feels that way. That's why it works. I just wanna win, man, let's win. That might be another thing too. It's funny because a lot of people, I think a lot of young people don't realize this. Fame is not something that most people should seek out without like what you can do with that. Like maybe create a successful business or whatever. Cause you're seeing that with social media. You're seeing all these people with 40,000, 50,000, 150,000 followers, but they're not doing anything with it because they just want their attention. Bro, it is so common right now that they're focusing on that while they don't even really have a real business. They have nothing. They just want eyes on them. That sucks. Why the, you know what that is? That's a very, that's a very ego thing. You just want your ego to feel better. I don't wanna get recognized for no reason. That's stupid. Oh, hey, what's up? The irony is they gotta. I hate that part. The irony is they gotta lay in the bed that they make, man. I tell you what, because you think it's all what it's cracked up to be and then you get all this attention and then we know what comes with all that attention. People are gonna scrutinize and they're gonna poke at and they're gonna. You become a character, man. Meanwhile, the only thing that you've put together as far as a business model is a logo flip on a t-shirt that you're doubling up the price on and because you have a million people, you make decent money right now, but that's not a real business, by the way. No, it's not. And honestly, it's a real, it's, there's a lot of, like, if we could do this and never, and nobody know who we were, I think we would all prefer to do it that way. There's a little bit of reluctance. It's part of what we're doing and we're the best ones to deliver some, a lot of our messages, obviously, but at the end of the day, none of us are seeking that. Like, I don't know about you guys. I don't want to be like, everybody know me and I'm the, you know, whatever. That's not something we're seeking. No, the first thing that we did with this whole rendition of the website is let's pull our shit off there. Like, let's get models to do it. I don't have an ugly mug out of it. Yeah, yeah. That'll be the face of fucking losing my hair. We can't have me on the fucking cover and shit. Like, get the fuck out of here. Like, find some, you're gonna find a young handsome version, find the 21-year-old version of me, you know what I'm saying? What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? 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