 Why should we care about peatlands? Well, basically we need to do a lot of education about peatlands because in general, peatlands were looked for as a wasteland, which is not the case. Peatlands plays an enormous role in terms of climate mitigation and also in the livelihood of people who are living in those areas. So peatland doesn't mean at all wasteland. They are very productive land. Dennis, it's an interesting remark that a lot of people see peatlands as wastelands. Why do you think they have that impression? That's because what happens is when you see peatlands, you are looking different swamps, different areas that you are going to find, different snakes, animals and so on and so on. So almost everybody is afraid of that. So that's why many people believe that those are wastelands. That's not the case. That's life. And it's interesting because peatlands often fall at a grey zone between conservation and economic development. Sometimes these interests might conflict. What do you think is the best way to reconcile these interests and to create more communication between government and the local communities when it comes to managing peatlands? What happens in general as a matter of education, the way that we go to the university, the way that we get our education? Because we believe some people are foresters, other people are agronomists, other people are biologists, other people are fish management or fisheries, and everybody goes in different directions. When we are talking about peatlands, we have to work together to understand each other because that's the only way to understand well what peatland is all about and how to manage well the peatlands. We go in different directions. We are wasting our time just because we are losing the opportunity to work together and to understand very well that ecosystem that needs to be well managed. Can you talk to me a bit about the situation of peatlands in Peru, where you live? Sure, that's a very special place. First of all, I want to make a difference between peatlands here in Indonesia and peatlands over here in Peru. Peatlands in Indonesia, most of them are destroyed. That's my understanding because of a lot of old plantations. What's happening in Peru is quite different. Over there, we have different fruits. As a matter of fact, I talked this morning about aguaje, palm tree. That's the very delicious fruit. And we have about five million hectares of that fruit. That plant provides economy, provides food, provides also biodiversity. So our approach over there in Peru is how to preserve, how to manage well those peatlands with a lot of aguaje, that palm tree that I'm talking about. Because we have that approach rather than destroying those peatlands we are using and managing. And that's the difference that we have about peatlands over there in the Amazon, improving Amazon and also here in Indonesia. In Indonesia, after the fire and haze crisis of 2015, the Indonesian National Government instituted a no-burn policy on the peatlands. Has the Peruvian government had similar measures in terms of policy to manage them? What was their approach? I know they're two very different situations. We don't have that kind of problems in terms of burning peatlands because over there the approach is preserving those peatlands because we have already a product coming from peatlands like aguaje fruits, fishery and timber and so on. So we are taking care of those peatlands because that's economy. We don't need to destroy them. Just preserving and having a good management system in order to keep helping local people and also the national economy. And I know you have a lot of experience working with local communities. What do you think is the best way to engage them and mobilize them to get involved in the preservation of wetlands and forests? I tell you something. I was lucky to work in different parts of the world. I work in Africa, I work in the Amazon. I believe the approach that works the best is just to go to the open mind to talk with local farmers and try to learn from there what they know the best. We in general make big mistakes trying to go over there and try to teach how to manage the biodiversity. The local farmers, they are the best of the best in terms of local management of biodiversity. And Dennis, what drew you here today, the Global Landscapes Forum? Just trying to learn how you are dealing with peatlands over here in Indonesia and also exchange ideas with people from other places, from Africa, from other parts of Asia, even from the Amazon because I met some Peruvians over here that I never met over in Peru, so that's a good opportunity to exchange experience and to see what we can do with for the future and also to work closely with those very important issues. Thank you, Dennis. You're welcome. Thank you.