 Oh my god you don't even got the thumbnail. Oh, no you will stream they say you will stream whether you like it or not How do I stop one of them? It's not public it's not life though. It's just scheduled. It's like waiting for mohler. Oh Hey, yeah, I'm all are Is that not the thing I told you that I was like I was hoping wouldn't happen Yeah, but is that upcoming one still there now or is that gone or? I always get those and I don't know what to do with them So I just private them, you know, they're gonna say they stay stream 30 hours a week And they don't even know how to stream their stupid really don't want to change all the fucking rules on me all the time To be fair, I didn't know before Well, this is just the um The new thing that OBS is doing to me it asked me more questions than it ever did it doesn't need to go away Hey Stop asking questions. Okay, that one. I've apparently videos available to everybody. That's fine Yeah, I've reversed them right so Unlist that one public this one. Okay, you too. You're you following me? It's just like give it five minutes. It should work out This is a complicated Discussion No, no, no, I was playing my video for me then also yeah chat don't worry I'll get you on screen in a second. I think it's been happening is I have to reset chat every time But I can't even do it through OBS anymore. I have to wait until the streams live to find the fucking link I need This is such oh no insanity, and I don't know why How to do this the first time you know, don't worry get started soon enough with non-nonsense No, no, it's on screen. I won't be having non-nonsense on effect as the manager. I disapprove of that It's just why make it. I will have you replaced. Why make it so difficult. That is my question I like how you chew bar YouTube never does anything to make things better. It's always yeah Like nine out of ten times what they decide to do is actually Worse for everyone in every way. I was gonna say I was gonna say my first thought was no no no no They remember when they went back The dissent but no to like they didn't remove the verify ticks, but that wasn't it making it better That was just them not fucking it up for once Right exactly That was them going Deciding to go back on something that would have been better. They didn't actually make anything better They just decided oh we're going back on the thing that would have made it shitty Like yeah, do they not want me through OBS anymore or something? Is that what this is like? I can't even tell and like I have to change the thumbnail like after I've got two upcoming streams now Thanks. Oh, I can't wait Unlisted this is visible to how do I get rid of this? go away Stupid this is gonna be the most interesting intro to e-fap in history. It's listening to me struggle This is objectively the worst intro. This is what it's like to listen to swam. I Mean, it's not that bad So I guess while I guess while Mahler figures everything out the rest of us should come up with some kind of a topic Some sort of discussion talking about the Mandalorian. I like it me All right, let's Let's talk about Yeah, I mean what what else has been in on the news I guess Yeah, that's that's going really great. I'm sure they're very glad that they went through with that Let's pick something that isn't controversial Like Trump the Holocaust spreading Controversial I don't I know I think everybody's got the same opinion on it. All right. Yeah, I think we're all in agreement It's just like everyone's way of a sort of disagree I just saw the super chat. That's a reference to my book. Thank you for reading it Oh, I know we can do while I make sure everything's right I've got a whole bunch of questions for Chad because they there were super chats that were sent in after you'd left The previous e-fap One this one came up me and rags essentially went through it because of Google images and Wikipedia's and stuff But hey, you can give your your Expert perspective on explaining the difference for the chat from a net from an expert right here paid professional Okay. Oh, that is it is so funny that you think I'm an expert Chad expert person. What is the in-depth difference between morning stars and evening stars? Ah It's a semantical like this morning stars people can never really Decide on what the official definition is and this is a larger problem with like medieval history, but also history in general is what because the general use of words goes along with just the common vernacular which often Changes and contradicts and the perfect example like broadsword because broadsword is that never been a historical You know definition of a type of sword, but now it's entered into popular language that it means arming sword and so That like you can't really fight against what how because language evolves all the time I mean, you know the word awful didn't used to mean bad I meant something that was worthy of being full of all which was great And so going back to the whole morning star thing The general kind of consensus is just if it's around like spherical thing with spikes on it It could be class as a morning star. Whether it's on the end of a stick or the end of a chain But there's nothing really official official. All right. There you go folks. We've ended the debate It's done. We did it It's really interesting Well, yeah, it's just really interesting when you get the Mega historian pendants that that come after you for not using the definitions that they Demand are legitimate and and I'm kind of caught in a rock and a hard place because I I see the definition that most people use Casually and then I see a historical definition that is, you know, a few hundred years out of date and then it's like, okay What should I try and push towards should I try and push towards something? That's a hundred years out of date or just go along with something that, you know More commonly understood and I generally actually go along with what's more commonly understood because it's easier to be understood Was being pragmatic with language, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's the point of speaking That's very controversial Well, I've made I made a video on it, right about the how language messes up the historical accuracy and And most people like really fine with it But then some some German guy made a reply video that I only got like half of it because of translation issues But he was not happy with me and I and yeah, so he didn't like it Shad, would you recommend a chainsword when fighting a spider? Oh Absolutely, I mean if you've got a funnel web coming at you like that's probably what you need Yeah, I would say that might be a little like I'm to kill you might want to go with a nuke or something Yeah, you know sort of shotgun would be your safe bet if you got enough money, then yeah It would be a good choice. I am only yeah I'm thinking about the Australian spiders and a nuke seems about the appropriate. I'm gonna make a video on the nuke sword or The nuke sword Nuke sword money and then the sword Yeah Shad what fictional sword would you like to own? Imperious, what's that from? Yeah When you're writing something you and you've got this cool sword you obviously want to make the coolest one that you can think of I'm gonna go ahead and assume disqualifying your own. What would you pick? Like I have my favorite for the design and then I have favorites for utility like the Shardblades from From Stormlight archives Brandon Sanderson are pretty darn awesome And so for utility purposes, I'll probably go Shardblade and cool factor if I was going for design and realism it might be Anduin or like shards of Narsil. Yeah, like a sort of Aragons one. Yeah, it's a beautiful beautiful Yeah, it's a good one I was thinking I'd probably if I thought about it for a while probably wouldn't go for one That has some kind of magical property that can do something of some kind I know there was the did you ever read the predain Chronicles because they had that fuck-off fire sword and that one Unfortunately, I have not read it Yeah, they were all right. I read them as a kid So I don't know if they're really good or not But this the black cauldron books is probably what most people would know them as The lightsabers count We'll have to disqualify them Like if you bring lightsaber into the real world Would it operate under real-world physics or the physics as they're portrayed in Star Wars because my assumption is that Lightsabers as portrayed in Star Wars, they've just found some way in real-world physics to make that happen And that's what it's telling us But but they're contradicted like Generated as much heat as they're showing in the Phantom Menace to melt through steel You touch someone with it and you you would instantly vaporize their blood into gas Which would cause a massive explosive Expansion and so a lightsaber is an instant person exploding weapon The thing is is when it comes to Star Wars There's a lot of stuff that just Because it you know, there's no sound in space and there aren't big fiery explosions because there's no air It would just snuff out immediately, but we just accept it just because it looks cool Yeah Explosions will cause explode fire needs oxygen to arm so any fiery explosion not the actual explosion itself though We would explode but the thing is it like immediately It's like in gravity Station blows up and it just proof and then it's it's gone basically instantly and yeah Once it burns off the oxygen from inside of it. It's just gone. Yes, exactly. Exactly It's not like we accept it because it looks claim in place because it's burning all that fuel constantly But it looks cool Imagine like so I don't even know if this would be accurate But like someone fires a laser that you like block slash absorb the lightsaber But instead it just like travels through and melts into some gassy horrible hot stuff and splashes into the Jedi's face Yeah, I think because science actually tried to break down the numbers if a lightsaber could block a bullet and turned out I just turned it into molten metal that would fly in the person's face. Yeah, that would be horrifying. Yay But you know if you're like alien blood, you know Shad are you aware of the Netflix movie coming out in November called the King? Yes, of course, I was when they mentioned that from the last stream But by this time I've done a whole review on it and I didn't like it. I wasn't happy with it. That's very inaccurate There you go. What about the themes? No, the themes were even worse. Oh, no The overarching themes was that King Henry was a manipulatable weak Pathetic man who was goaded into you know fighting France and all that stuff And so the overall themes were also bad in my opinion I'm sure they'll add a strong independent black female queen who will set everything straight before you know close She wasn't black But she was that it was actually from the princess at the end spoilers, but I didn't like the movie. So, you know I don't think you'll miss much But yeah, I was the female French princess that basically, you know rips off his testicles And it masculates him on screen saying how pathetic he is and and like I was sorry Like just turn mindset was so modern sensibility injected into historical period. It was horrendous I'm sure they'd get away with that in the past. Oh Yeah, definitely this says a Shad give us some SA4 details SA4 That's all I've got SA4 sword see analysis see SA4 Seaman armor Who are you writing an SA4 It's not shadow of the conqueror people usually prepare that Salamander I don't know for oh Ah So I'm like our guys. No, I don't have any details on someone Brandon is still writing the the rough draft And so he hasn't even completed it yet. He is quite an expedient writer I gotta say like he gets a lot done, which is very impressive for someone like me who gets nothing done Someone just to send me this And nuke sword To be quick These people are like immediate with this shit. It's terrifying Like more than the other day showed me a bunch of the are the are what was it die? Diabino memes. Oh, yeah, I start of a folder We had some like several pieces of original artwork that were like downright awesome stuff for Diabito That stream that stream by the way it got hit with a copyright thing, but it's cleared up already I'm gonna release it tomorrow while this one then Yay downloads and uploads. So yeah, you're gonna get Diabito tomorrow. This one will be a few days after probably. Oh That's great. Yes, I have This one right now not even finished it's promising that it's gonna come out eventually That's my I am now. Uh, I just got an email from YouTube. I can now I can now Monetize dog bites That is actually really good The chat has the name for the nuke sword the Hiroshima Yeah We were like those two guys at the end the two people at the end of notes from Melanie We were just have we're just coming straight up Been well received by the way I I was consumed but everyone seems to be on board. Yeah We might pursue looking into a format where we live review something That's more like a film just to see how it goes see having Possibly the problem with saving private rights that I feel like I need to look into Accuracy stuff in order to have something to say about it, you know, like because I don't actually know how accurate it is I just I just think it's really well Well, I do remember reading that a lot of World War two veterans had to leave during the Omaha Beach landing because it was that It was it brought them back to it in a very Oh, I think that doesn't surprise me at all, but like, you know, even stuff that they may not even be aware of I'm curious about just all details Well V V said that event horizon was objectively bad So event horizon, that's the isn't that from pulled W. S. Anderson. It is and it's usually the movie I referenced to say He's not all bad I would like to rewatch that I haven't seen it in a long time I'm not saying it's a great film, but I liked it a lot and I wouldn't mind rewatching it for maybe a new fat movies I've never met anyone who like didn't like it. It's kind of got a pretty big cult following to the point We're even calling it a cult following is almost seems like a misnomer Perhaps This one's for Shad and Fringy These are super chats by the way that I'm just trying to get out ready ready before Shad eventually has to leave in the 10 million more of them Shad Fringy, when will Cronulla riots to electric Boogaloo happen? Oh I predict in two years 24 days and three hours I I I don't know actually I don't know about that one Think about that one. This one says good job Shad on asking Brandon about TLJ That was hilarious He was Brandon's reaction was great. He was like, oh, you're gonna get me in trouble because He did you could tell he didn't like it like He was very very our diplomatic about it But he didn't mention that what they did to Luke just was a horrible for him You often get your politics labeled for you depending on whether you like that film So he couldn't be careful and like Brandon is such a good writer like a phenomenal writer I all like I felt it would almost be impossible for him to have liked it because there's so much wrong with it And and if you have a good understanding of story on like any even a basic level You could not like the last Jedi is so much wrong with it I was confident in his answer Liking the last Jedi is actually illegal now So you're not gonna understand this Shad, but it's still directed at you Will you give homecoming leeway for being in the Disney fanatical Marvel universe? I don't get it It's a it's a reference to a guy who kept arguing that the faults of the Disney films don't matter because you're supposed to accept That they're in a Disney fanatical universe No, I disagree completely because well, I mean yeah, that's that's not a good argument By the way, I liked homecoming. It was far from home that I didn't like yeah Yeah, I was just gonna say that like the point I think the guy was trying to make was this is new continuity So stop judging it by old stuff and it's just like it's a sequel that doesn't make any sense Are we supposed to make sense of any of this shit that's happening in these films without considering the ones that came before? When when the crazy ghost puppet Yoda turns up What are you supposed to think of that if you haven't seen the other Imagine that with no context. You'd be like what the fuck it's a ghost puppet And we had a good long debate on the merits of far from home We did and we did legitimate problems with it just by itself out of context Yeah, it's it's got more problems than homecoming does that's for sure even though I think both movies are quite good It has more issues and homecoming Yeah Next up is really totally written. Yeah, I think homecoming is pretty strong Chad, did you get hooked up with a bonsai? Like a bonsai tree? I assume a form of sword a make of sword. I assume it's not tree But if it is did you can you spell it like the it's the same way as the tree. I Don't think so. I mean the katanas that I have on hand aren't like Like one is a half decent, but I got that off a friend and so I don't even know the maker model of that one And I got a pretty good Lockwood sword, but that's like my best one. It's the longsword that I usually wear in videos But outside of those I don't actually know many of the Makes of the other swords because they're lower ends. I mean, I got a tinker longsword. Like that's common, but yeah I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think I've I'm sorry Chad, what do you think about adeptus? Custodus halberd guns in warhammer Yeah Well halberds are epic. How sorry not halberds. Halberds are epic and if you could shoot them as bullets, well That's just next level awesomeness. So Like I would have a full approval Yep Oh, and then I guess the follow-up was That I attached to this was it's pronounced adeptus custodies But yeah, I don't know anything about warhammer. Unfortunately. Um, I think I think this is A picture of it right here Well, that's pretty nifty looking Oh, nice Oh, lovely. Probably kill it. It's even got a magazine appears. You can shoot it multiple times So you can stab it into somebody and shoot them with it while it's paled in them. I mean, that's stupid It's stupid, but it's cool. Stab it through someone and then shoot someone standing behind them Well, this is the thing right? I mean bayonets have been you know, attachments to firearms for a long time already And I've done a whole video exploring gun swords because gun swords have existed historically But the main issue why gun swords haven't really become a huge prominent thing and even why bayonets aren't universally attached to all Swords is that it throws off the weight of the gun and your aim fairly significantly And so if you had super strength that it wasn't an issue I I could see a weapon like that being and so with space marines Uh, yeah, if because they got super strength from their armor and they're also genetically enhanced Uh, a weapon like that perfectly viable on second Yeah Because I mean you can run out of bullets, but if you've got a blade on you, you know There is a reason why I have bayonets. I've got a bunch for wolf. I guess I forgot to ask him, but I'll get around to it When he's back on you one last one we can I can throw out and this is for j I really like just even universe video thoughts on gravity falls Oh, thank you. And it's really good One of the best cartoons I've ever seen Oh, well, I haven't I haven't watched enough of it to say that I do really like it though It's uh, only two seasons. Um, and it tells a very complete story That's what I don't have anyway. No milk is forever. No, they stopped it because they got, um, they were done with it Look does that does the um There's like space to make like a you know, like a maybe 10 20 years on show from it Which if the original creators announced I would be like so stoked for but if anyone else picks it up, I'd be like no fuck off Um, oh I haven't for rags. I guess I uh, I must have used this one previously I'm excited to use my 2k to buy a gaming pc, but alas. I am not a computer smart. Where should I go to build the best pc? Where should you go? Um, what you want to do is if you're gonna set aside a lot of money like that um, you just want to Learn learn learn learn learn about the parts And what you need for what you want to game with Did he say it was his first? Uh, if it's his first he might want to see it doesn't say if it's first or not If it's his first he might want to just dial it back a little bit Yeah, maybe start off with something a lot more modest so that you can kind of Learn a bit or see you know that you want to jump all the way into it just to make sure I don't think you'll regret it, but you know, that is a lot of money Well, the thing is is um when it when it was me my first pc was about $1,000 the pc I'm playing on now was about $2,000 and I built it knowing a lot more, you know at this point Yeah, um, but you the internet really is your best friend Look at a lot of reviews of things look at all kinds of different Forums and threads and just all sorts of stuff. There's so much information out there Yeah, there's just a lot of good info out there Yeah, take advantage of it. Just learn learn learn never feel rushed into buying something That's one thing never ever feel like you you got to get it now. You got to get it now There's like parts will always be there. Um Yeah, so don't don't worry about feeling pressured Into, you know, go on a sunny day Um, this might be considered heresy But I you could you could consider buying a pre-built gaming pc. Just not heresy No, not heresy. Um, what I would say is um, if you you can generally get Really good, uh priced gaming PCs from just people looking to get rid of theirs um The craigslist thing ebay thing if someone's local and you can go there and see that it works and all that stuff That wouldn't necessarily be a bad option because they just want most people just want to get rid of it They they don't have any overhead. They just want to sell it get it out So you could potentially score a really good pc for the price doing that Um, you know, there's a lot of different options. There's a lot of different options. Um But it sites from pc part picker to tom's hardware to this that and the other thing youtube is full Of reviews of all kinds of different parts But also kind of set how serious of a gamer you are. It sounds like you're pretty into it if you're going to put aside No, two grand for a pc Um, so, you know, do you want to play at 1080p? Uh, you'll probably play it 1440 dollars you go in for 1440. Maybe that's okay for a handful of games Yeah, so I I mean, I'd say go 1440p and get that really good fps. You know, that's what I do Um, and I and I don't regret it Especially if you're going to be like night and day I uh, I picked a 4k monitor because it's got more like space to work on But uh for gaming. Yeah, you probably would be better off with a smaller but faster refresh rate computer Uh, not computer display But yeah, man, just use resources and learn learn learn Uh What's pretty neat it thought with mentioning is that thanks to the amount of members I was able to add three more emotes and I've thrown in um a Tism a mallet tism. It's just a nice little picture that uh can represent tism. I shall toast it now If it shows up for me, sorry, um Join to unlock. I am the thing. Why would I have to I own you pay yourself five pounds now Oh, it just see that this happens a lot. It also I was in my real like Primary account and then it signed me into my google account like when I refresh the page It does this a lot. It really fucking annoys me But you know, what are you gonna do? Anyway, the first one's more tism as you can see beautiful little image You can possibly be posted when we discover something of um particular relation Uh, we got a little festive emote with the more Santa is ready for Christmas coming around the corner And um, I decided to throw in one from the a favorite from the discord Varus having a bit of a vomit so you can just post that if you feel like it's particularly suitable I thought they were pretty neat. There's a whole bunch of motes. Um Just another way to support the channel if you're interested and you get some uh, fun tisms to look at which brings me into Uh Talking about some fan art that was made Me aware of Yeah, someone someone emailed this to me. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna build it up So first of all he did icons for me wolf and uh and rags. This is um The the wolf icon and then we've got like a christmas version for each of them as well So I'm just gonna show these first They're pretty neat Um, I believe wolf is already using his christmas icon I shall be in I think the next podcast is planned will actually be the first of december so that'll work out nicely um Then you've got rag is And uh de christmas vision The eye lashes really sell it Looking sexy rise Oh, I can oh man. Oh, all right And then um one for me as well Just And the reason why I'd be praising these more but i'm trying to get to somewhere that you guys will see in a moment So these are all essentially Uh cut out and added to and changed to to match these things uh from a bigger picture that he That he made is this the story right rags that he's been in hospital for a while watching e-fab? I Yeah, I believe I Didn't you the but yeah, he was the guy who was in the uh motorcycle accident right Um and he went through and he basically watched I think like all the e-fabs because he had to Be in a hospital for a while. Let me um Uh, yeah, he was in the motorcycle accident and he said he watched all of e-fap over the last seven weeks Uh, he said he says he's an art director by trade That seems right to me. So keep that in mind. Yeah, he made something for us and um, I guess I'm gonna put it on screen now And uh, you may spend some time on this just checking it out. Here's a link to you folks Um, it is very good. Yeah, it's very good. It's uh Yeah, like it's something else and I'm envious of this guy's talents So it one thing that is extra amazing about it is that the more you look at it The more like all the references and meme this thing is dense So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna do some of that looking into it So I'm gonna I'm gonna make it full screen on the streams. You can't even see us Just so you can get a big old picture of it if you're listening to this just uh, just boot it all up in a full screen So you've got a shit ton of the first thing I actually want to point out is you can see to the right of rags There is the the Korean musician person who is This is a meme from literally like the last stream and it's in here Right there. That's what they have this is Yeah, it is very recent Um, it's pretty good This is insanely good I mean at this point it's just like point out whatever you want folks because it's like the golden stitch media Carl the robot a carl the terminator lucas mcmuffin lucas got his loud soup Yeah, everyone's drinking rhino nog. Yes, they are and they all have different like cups Good rat at the red pill rags. You have some intense titties there. They're all right Hmm Only two of them though Oh, I've got something on my arm um, I the arm band I'm not sure what the symbol is Um, obviously I've got a badge for the toxic brood. I think I've got a little a little card Joker card. Yeah, I'm not I'm guessing is that related to the fact that we've been defending joker. I guess I suppose and you have an igc or a Oh, what would that stand for? What is that? What is is that igc? What is igc? I feel like the chat's probably gonna get that one. Also the don has slice and dice on his t-shirt Yes, he does One thing too is that these he's got a pin on his jacket, which is like a hand with a blade coming down That's the hand of the king badge from game of thrones. Um It might be related to tywin lannister being that he's the apex homosexual. I don't know might be What's with the watermelon? The water is it just a watermelon? Yeah, the behind the chicken the rot with the rot that I have wrong Um, what is what is the melon the melon is? um a male uh Oh intellectual gaming community. That's what the igc is intellectual gaming community. That's what um We and yes, we do have an inward pass behind luke there um, oh, yeah Let's see is is jeb in here. Do we have a jeb? Is that jenny nickles in the right? No, that's the girl from the e-fap video Sarah's. Oh, yeah, that's uh, yeah, that's the e-fap lady e-fap thing. I think yeah the french. Yeah, the Um, I try to see if uh, I'm trying to see if jeb is in here I don't think he is. You have to actually like look because there's so much. Yeah spider we got wolf scabia What is that in, uh, bilbo's breast pocket on his that is a plumbus. It's a plumbus A plumbus Do you not know what a plumbus is? I know that I know plumbus is latin word for lead No rick and moody No, don't tell him I don't I've never seen rick and moody. So yeah, that's a he has a life jay everyone needs a plumbus in their home Yeah, first they take a dinglebop and they smooth it out with a bunch of sleep The shleem is repurposed for later batches. They take the right. What was it that they take the dinglebop? Actually, right. This is actually what it is the free is pretty Uh, there's something to do with thrombus. There's definitely a thrombus at one point They have to rub the flea against it because the flea has all of the flea juice Oh, yeah, that is Yeah, they cut the There's several hazards in the way and then it was something like they take the dinglebop and push it through the grumble And then they shave something away. I think that's 100 accurate Yeah, pretty sure I I don't I don't pretty encyclopedic rick and moody knowledge Okay, so the the objectivity and subjectivity Cherubs with mementism. Oh, it's it's weird. Fuck. I don't know why you did I I was just about to say to focus on the cherubs because it's weird that We think like that So on the if you if you will stare at that cherub's ass on the top right There's a tattoo on the left cheek That says gen 19 32 gen 19 Genesis night is wait. Is that a bible for genesis? Oh Genesis 19 32 Oh my good. Okay, uh genesis chapter 19 verse 32 Come let us get our father drunk with wine so that he can sleep with him and preserve his line Oh my goodness. That's the part where they get um Moses not Moses Noah. This is after Noah. They get Noah drunk. So he'll Fucking impregnate his daughters. Oh my Oh Oh, no, this is a this is a wholesome children's podcast But it says tism subject tism subjectivity. Oh testament. I tell you that has moments Massive rocket as well. And uh, as some some will notice as well some of these icons are um The ones from their like channels and stuff but some of them are just custom made Uh, which is really cool Different ones are like redrawn. Oh, that's a Jared one Edo's um That's the one that pops out. There's a critical one The south pole one has been redrawn the chase face one. I think might be redrawn Yeah, metals definitely Yeah south pauses Who is that? Uh, who's that above? Or um Above the mechanical. Okay. First off the mechanical owl. Where's that? I know it's from the movie, but Is that a meme that we I don't remember us referencing? Oh wait, maybe it's about that super chat. We got a couple times about how does an owl swim through a tree? Do you remember that? I don't need reference in my head about owls It's from the clash of the titans. Um, oh, I've just noticed the good rat Oh, yeah, sorry to interrupt. That was actually a scene with lots after Solomon Gamora and not Noah Oh That okay. Yeah, I know Noah was an alcoholic. So I thought that was why they oh shit. Sorry jebs on the milk on Oh There's jab missing jab 1.2 billion percent Oh that milk carton is like It's a lot of bees. You can stare at these pages and still see new stuff in it. Yeah, right. No milk missing jeb 1.2 billion percent Oh, man, obviously dawn's got the McMuffin that you got a spider in there too. Gotta make sure you get that Molly what you got in your jacket there? It's a joker card, I guess You got the the alien as well from the gaming streams and I guess he's trying to decipher Uh, some stuff like hubered language and it says is this pumpernickel rye wheat sourdough. Oh because we were naming the kinds of bread Remember that was a lot Sorry, that relates to Wait, that relates to the old what does that relate to no no He's reading the list the alien is reading the list and the list is types of bread pumpernickel rye wheat sourdough focaccia because ages ago Yeah, that was a long time ago. That's an ancient meme that one just oh man I remember I remember because I remember coming on thinking like having no idea what the podcast was going to be like And then just there was a point where you were all listing types of bread and I was like Oh, okay. This is a podcast for me um I I do like uh, they we got the carl terminator on the opposite side on the left because you know carl Did we say he's got what looks like a license plate with? No, it says roof access. Oh What's that a reference to am I forgetting? Probably raw Oh, yeah, that makes sense. It's Maybe yeah, it might be uh, I assume so. Oh, there's a skiddle. There's a skiddle if you look right below it Uh, I remember the skiddle. Oh, yeah, and a pokeball and a pokeball Um, there's a that woman a rang there's a kind of great next to j Wait, where oh, yeah How are we still seeing new stuff in this spider-man? That's good. That's just that good dance Um, okay, so there's a slingshot in uh bilbo's outer pocket I don't know if that's tied to bilbo or if that's tied to a meme A slingshot, um Hmm, I Don't know what the slingshot is. Maybe someone mentions it. It'll come to mind again Now there's an alien reading a scroll that have you already talked about that or if I miss that? Yeah, we talked about Below the fucking isle of man flag Yeah, the isle of man flag is my fucking favorite Uh, who's the um, wow, who's the guest uh up into the left of the isle of man flag The j long bone or is there somebody else? I do I don't know who that is is j long bone is she on any of the others? Other might that might be her if Oh my god, I didn't even notice kyle bet until now. Oh, yeah, he's in the frame That's that's an opportunity to he's one of the ones that kicked off the meme war Like he just memes. Yeah kyle ben Um, oh people are saying it's related to goliath the slingshot Slingshot is related to goliath Slingshot goliath a lot of different people are saying it I think that was the fucking face that the cosmic chicken is making it look so proud of itself. Yeah This is the cosmic chickens work right? Yeah goliath slingshot I don't even really remember that I remember goliath, of course, but the slingshot part. I don't And yeah, we totally can't remember every meme we do our best Oh my god the massive missile Oh Yeah, that's on my right arm. Yeah But I don't actually really know what it is Yeah, not sure what the armband is Oh the sling of shot. I guess is the Oh, yeah Have you guys pointed out the jj mcguffins that uh, the don is holding JJ mcguffins. I believe so. It's got a pool on it. Yeah. Yeah, they've got a They're poor poor nuggets It's hilarious. That's like I keep thinking okay clearly. I've noticed everything about this now and then seeing something else But now I've clearly noticed everything Yeah, I the watermelon though. I I can't call the watermelon Yeah, there's there's a couple we're lost on but I mean it's so it's amazing work. Um Wonderful and a nice sort of This is what you can send people land where they do not possess the sling of shot This is what you can send people when you're like they're like, what does he fab about you'd be like this? this Oh, this is great. This is insane like I didn't want to pour over it too closely because I figured we'd look at it, but just kind of going all around and I mean wolf's got pine wolf has pineapples on the pizza What does he said about that? Is he okay with that? Or is it or is it just a reference to the fact that that was discussed? Because I don't know. I thought Is wolf okay with it? I can't remember Maybe there's lots of ways to interpret it. Maybe he's not okay with it or is he right? Yeah, that's the question And um, and there's a the snitch from harry potter the golden snitch and the top left The next stitch the watermelon could be referenced to my first tlj video Oh, yeah, it could yeah They're bridal the range Yeah, Sid Nicholson. I'm assuming he's Got some kind of page in some way ship before maybe where he does this this work professionally or whatever, but it's amazing stuff Yes, it is And yeah, I guess we will uh, we will carry on with that's that's our intro 45 minutes. We did it That's the other we go We will move on to the first 45 minutes in fucking hell I know right, you know, but before we continue I just got a thank you guys for introducing You know j paladin's content because I've watched some of her videos and they are amazing Aiden paladin fully awesome Is aiden paladin? Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, she's uh She was a wonderful guest of research Yeah, the research she puts into her video is just insane And we are a big fan of research here Oh, yes That's why we like you should Yeah, I made some of you Um, but yeah, you know, you're that's an easy segue guys watch So, yeah, we like like researched like, uh, you know accuracy and we like expression of of those things through, um Opinions That's what we're gonna be talking about today In a in a opinions so so, um The first this there's two youtubers would cover well three youtube's are covering actually And um, we'll do our best to get through it, you know at a reasonable pace This is the yeah, yeah, of course Here is the link to jump right in We will be covering arlo now, uh fringy You probably have a better context for this than I do in terms of what's going on, but it's something to do with Pandas Sorry Oh pandas right for this video, um, yeah, so yeah, I was just gonna say like the what I understand is that um news elder game came out He was unhappy with the art style And a lot of people, uh, yes A lot of people sort of awakening. Yeah. Yeah, and like he made statements and he got frustrated that he was getting flak for it Was that it? Um, well, what I think it was was uh, so yeah, so because video is arlo Who's a youtuber that I'm subscribed to and largely enjoy. I just gonna guess put that preference out first Um, I actually really like his presentation style too with the puppet thing like it's actually pretty creative But um, yeah, no, it was uh links awakening was coming out and the big sort of Discussion that was happening With that game was the art style because it has a sort of uh It sort of looks like a toys kind of thing toys come to life for art style lots of um Simple simple looking character models, but some really detailed texture work and things like that um And the discussion was sort of surrounding innovative art styles because when nintendo does it it's generally They generally do it well. Um the the usual examples would be um I think the first example would be yoshi's island because uh, that's got a story book kind of art style and me and Moto really pushed for it and that game looks incredible to this day um, and then of course the other obvious contender is um uh wind waker because when wind waker came out, I think a lot of people were expecting it to really push a um realistic thing to sort of follow in in the way of our ocarina of time and majora's mask And retrospectively we all realized that they made a really good decision because uh wind waker is pretty timeless And so with the discussion regarding this game, I think that was the same point that people were trying to make It's like, I don't know man. Maybe we should like nintendo generally does a good job. So And and this looks pretty good. And I think um, I think it was the the whole video was brought about because of this discussion of um people's opinions on the art style of uh of links awakening And that's what that's what sort of spawned this video and unfortunately, it's not a very good one Well, uh, that will remain to be seen. We're gonna use it as a vehicle to talk about his ideas on uh Opinions and some other things. Uh, is everyone in to the watch together? All right, sorry. I yes, I call Judy Holland God, this is this fringy guy, man. So unprofessional Can I um, no plug my petition. Oh, yeah, go for it. Oh, yeah, it's for a good cause. Um, yeah Sorry, do you want to do you want to just give you a give like a summary of what happened with that and then end with a petition? uh, yeah, so Um, a lasty fat was the lasty fat that we talked about the noble shit stuff EFAP before that Okay, so when we covered no bullshit and his comments on EFAP and on me I made a full video breaking down, um, brooks's comments and showing how they're just like objectively false and like incredibly very very obvious ways I say the opposite of what he claims I said And I have a video on that so today Um, brooks was taking snipes at me on twitter where he went after nothing but my appearance And like, yeah, that's basically what what does he say goofy? Yeah Um, oh, yeah, and the fact that I'm like, you know what I think the trans people they're good Not as a uh, not as a not better than anyone else tank His tweet was like, uh fucking Um, his tweet was like, oh if someone's saying this no wonder they have a problem with my content I'm like, dude, I don't think you realize that's a cell phone Yeah I've got what he of course. He doesn't know that it's no no because he's an idiot Yeah, I imagine saying that thinking you're defending yourself Um, but in that video I just I throw a joke comparing brooks to a guinea pig Right because you know that's like he kind of looks like guinea pig. He's got a little like the chubby cheeks in the teeth, right? I think he looks a little bit like a guinea pig sort of skinny like And so and I also made the point that like clearly no bullshit is a classic case of poor branding So I made uh The suggestion that he should change his profile picture Uh to a picture of the guinea pig from g-force the film g-force 2009. Has anyone seen that? It's really really good Wow I know of it. You're the first person to It's the perfect film. It's the perfect film. No nothing better Uh, it's a masterpiece but uh I made a petition and it's to for brooks to change profile picture to the picture of a guinea pig from g-force and um So far 1649 people have signed it It's one of them. I'm posting the chat so people can assuming it lets you if it doesn't I don't know if I can post links in the chat. Just so yeah, everyone sign this we need to go up by No, I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed. You know, I know at me on the chat like say something If I can I'll just mod you and then you can do it Uh, but I this this petition needs to go straight to the top So I need everyone watching right now to sign it immediately. Oh my god Uh, he needs to do it. It's we need to make it law He's now you can post Excellent. Thank you mubz Lee. Oh, that's my that's my not name But true name everyone sign sign now. It's very important. It's crucial If we can get this done, you know Saving youtube one step at a time. So I'm saying Thank you for allowing me I don't know what you mean I don't know what We've just got a hundred signatures. I'm very proud of this community. Oh wow No petitions are gay exactly. That's why we have to use it on him. He thinks everything's gay You have to reinforce it. Um Petitions aren't gay if you say no home after signing them through. Yeah through All right, so uh, yeah, that was a fun saga, but um Back to this so like I said, uh, this this shouldn't be as Frustrating as like your typical stuff, but we're mostly just gonna let it play I think it's only like halfway through the video that um, we have to go up too because he changes topics Um, and he's gonna give us some context at first as well, but uh, yeah, here we go. Are everyone ready? Yeah, I suppose I'm ready to begin this journey. Excellent Axe. Hello, my friends. I hope you are well today. I'm here to talk about zelda But alas, this isn't a celebratory reaction or a classic retrospective or a three and a half hour long review But a close look at the controversy surrounding the art style of the upcoming lynx awakening remake. Oh, that's right Uh, allo, allo is a bit of a long man. He did a three and a half hour review on uh breath of the wild That's actually a pretty good review. It's a pretty good review. So, uh, yes, the merits of being a long man Yeah, man good. Am I the only one he didn't know he was a puppet? Ah I'm probably the only one who subscribed to him. I have to admit that took me a little off Well, we're very diversity if that will cover anybody, uh Puppets are allowed. Well, I mean we've had puppets on Yeah, that's right. Yes, we have true puppet It's time to listen to a dissertation from cookie monster. Let's go Uh, I don't think he likes it when you say I don't think he likes it He's clearly the same to me shows in a puppet that looks clearly the same as the fucking cookie monster Oh, well, I'm just I'm just kidding. It's just like I think in a video that he made recently He he mentioned like yeah, the cookie monster, but I think he was trying to avoid that because well How do you even avoid the comparison though you Well, you don't because it's very much like it's not like a Muppets puppet, right? This is definitely a It's not appropriate. This is like just seeing Obama and saying oh look, it's will smith. Haha It's not it's not you can't do that. I'm really racist Yeah, well, yeah shadows. It's like, oh, they'll look the same. It's like shad really it just had blue fur Wow, just Wow What are what are some racial stereotypes so you can apply people with blue fur I like cookies Yeah, they agitated Yeah Wait, they like they like to come in they make they like to come in virtually motivated genocide What? I don't I don't come up with this stuff. I just report. I don't know if it's an accurate stereotype, but Well, I mean, have you heard about what's going on in puppet world? No, there's a lot of puppet drama I envy you when he's on trial. Yep For genocide I don't know For selling like, uh, you know cookie dough, you know illegally I don't think this kind of thing from Was the cookie dough poisoned like it was got it gone. Oh, you expect it from oscar Now, why would you say that what just because he's green fucking hell rags? No because he's he's Lives in the garbage and he's Yeah, yeah, maybe they do But I inferred it It's because he's title is the grouch I would expect a grouch I would expect them to more than like people who are just known for their love of cookie people who are having a great day Probably not going to commit genocide It's probably I just killed two people climbing up a ladder in modern warfare and like I don't want to brag but how the hell did they not notice me? Why would that be a brag? You're highlighting how stupid they are No, but I just how good I was because I aimed so well You aim so well at two guys on ladders. Yeah ladders move. No. I was on the ladder. I I was on the ladder You know the pistol that's all I had Oh Oh, I think two guys on the ladder. Oh, no They were on the ladder and you shot him off the ladder like you killed the ladder No, I no god damn it. No. All right move on You are a ladder All right then to sweat to segue then I don't have a problem being a a puppet. Uh, it could be a creative decision We'll just have to wait and see I'm sorry. That sounds so much like you're genuinely responding to allegations of being racist I don't have a problem with him being a puppet I I have puppet friends But yeah, I've heaps of puppet friends. I don't know what they're talking about I want I have one puppet friend And in the art style of the Yeah, you need to get more puppet friends apparently. I mean his name his name is token, but uh, oh, shit We'll just move on move on Upcoming links awakening remake. That's right. The internet is currently split down the middle. The zelda community is up in arms twitter What's wrong with it? It's about the way it looks Yeah, the zelda looks better than yesterday. That's pretty shallow. I mean talking about it looks like a bunch of dookie And you know, I think these are I think he says later. These are made up, right? But he's just trying to highlight Yeah, I'm pretty sure these were made up. Yes, because they're obviously very bad arguments, you know For a position that most people 18th of every 2019 from earth Like ah, yeah Yeah, it's physical fights have broken out Okay, uh, literally none of that is true, but I am seeing a lot of arguments about it and it all Yeah, it looks great. It looks so good. This is what I mean. It's it's such a good-looking game That I uh, it's probably the best-looking game on switch to be honest with you even from a technical It's great, isn't it? Yeah, that is absolutely charming. I think it's adorable That is I remember because yeah, it was like it was like fucking it feels like it was half a year ago when me and frene fist checked this out Um, I remember talking to you about tilt shift, right? Like it feels like a board game And they've done a really good job of simulating that A living board game. Yeah, it's uh, it's I mean nintendo is really good at uh doing because yoshi's woolly world looks really great Uh, and yoshi's crafted world look really great. They're really good at like doing real life Stuff In video games. It's it's strange because they're not known for graphical fidelity But it just looks so good. It's such a great art style Yeah, um And now you'll have the context for uh the arguments covered up soon because that's what it's mainly about It's just the way this game looks. Yeah the heck out of me It brings up all sorts of questions about what zelda games should look what way Perhaps more interestingly though It calls into question the nature of opinions in the world of video games Which we almost unanimously deem an artistic medium So let's dig into this whole thing and answer some questions Is this wind waker all over again? Are people hating on the art style simply because it's different? Oh, yeah, if you'll remember because I even I remember this wind waker had detractors being like this Looks like a fucking shitty cartoon that sort of thing And now they all look like wrong Right right the first cell the game to be like that right it's cell shaded That's the style and it's a style that loads people love and to define that a style is bad You're gonna have to bring in some arguments and a lo does for this one I don't remember them being very agreeable, but hey, we'll check them out I feel like he's already trying to set up a straw man He made a statement and didn't you know like qualified a corner It's like we unanimously agree that get you know video games are an art form and like Okay, so like subjectivity there. Oh, yeah, you get the implication is if it's art that means this is going to be subjective Just like oh wait wait wait wait wait wait There's no objective standards that you can apply to video games Stylistic choices then yeah video games in particular like with movies and stuff I can understand why people have this subjectivity thing but with video games like if the game doesn't work That's not like my fucking opinion. You know what I mean? Like if I fall through the geometry That's not my opinion. If uh, if it runs at like I can't do anything or someone enjoys that Yeah, but that's what we mean. What what they enjoy is irrelevant I could enjoy getting killed over and over again at spawn that could be like my thing But it doesn't mean anything You know Yeah It's because just generally it's it's such a sneaky way to try and go about um by state By stating something it's a universal standard that everyone just agrees with let's move on and it's like well Hang on hang on that's actually rather sneak is like is it that because by stating it's an art form that doesn't mean precludes it from being You know many other things that objective stands to be applied to and uh, so yeah, it's just like I want yeah Well, the thing is it's uh, it's interestingly like not an opinion. I think is shared by developers. I watched they um I watched an audio commentary from two developers who worked on ratchet and clank two and I was talking about a puzzle that they designed on a Maxar resort level and um the developer was talking about how badly he messed it up And the fact that like everybody recognized that there was a really poorly designed um Thing and it's like if the developers can recognize when they've done well or poorly by some sort of standard You're gonna disagree with them. Like this is their job I don't know I mean, that's the thing. I'm willing to hear the arguments. So if someone had that position It's just gonna be tough. That's all also. Um, I have linked the fan art That we showed the big billboardy one at the top of the description now I think some people wanted to see it and I didn't foresee that because I'm a dumb dumb But I'm just gonna check is this is it there? Yes, it's there now You can click that to find it Okay Is it okay to dislike how the game looks let's find out only slightly no and yes there We found out video over. Okay. No, I guess we should go a little bit deeper than that I've got some opinions about the art style and some reasons why someone might not find it ideal But first let's touch on the whole opinion thing, which is what spurred this video in the first place This is one of those topics that I've wanted to talk about for years now So it's nice to finally be given an opportunity in the context of you know, nintendo and the switch and all that I have a pet peeve when it comes to opinions and it's extra aggravating because I feel like this should be obvious This is a conclusion that I feel like everyone should eventually come to not a great way to start Um Preposing that you guys should have agreed with this. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to do that. It should be honest What you're about to say Well, yeah, if he says like one plus one is two you're like, well, okay But I imagine at that point From from what I remember he says something that I kind of agree with later on But it's the way he's tied it into this discussion. I don't really like Um, but we'll see that when it when it comes up Like this should be obvious This is a conclusion that I feel like everyone should eventually come to but for whatever reason it's not There's a way to keep a conversation slash debate respectful and prevent it from turning into an argument And it's this Um, because there's a way to keep a debate respectful to prevent it from coming an argument An argument is an argument. Yeah, an argument is not inherently disrespectful. Sorry, mate You think the other person's probably wrong. I think it's a connotation. 99% of the time. Yeah Like, uh, you know how people will say like, oh, they got into an argument yesterday or something like that You'll be like what they almost are saying instead is though those those guys had a very unproductive battle almost It has connotation to it. Yeah, like the but on its face having an argument Fine as you you'd make arguments in a debate. Yeah, it's just a weird phrasing. I guess Shouldn't have that stigma But it does correct It's not there's a way to keep a conversation slash debate respectful and prevent it from turning into an argument And it's this when you disagree with someone state your opposing opinion instead of attacking theirs I'm sorry. I I had in here 39 I I guess I'm at a sink. Oh pull it back to uh, like 138 or earlier and we'll let it play for you Oh, wait, I'm ahead of you as well then Oh What because if I pull it back it might not pull you guys with me So if you guys do it one of you guys instead, I'll pull it back. All right, 133 now Yes, uh, give it a second. Oh wait, mine's on 138 Yeah Someone state your opposing opinion instead of attacking theirs Oh, well, anyway, I can just read out. He said when you're making an argument state You're opposing opinion instead of attacking theirs Uh, I like how I see that state You're opposing opinion instead of attacking But what if they're wrong? For example, yeah, for example, I like John Wick and then someone goes I don't like John Wick That's what he thinks they should do instead of saying you shouldn't like John Wick But the problem is It depends on what they say If yes, you need more substance to this Yeah, if you can't test someone's opinion, it is therefore impossible to falsify any statement It's it's kind of trying to state you need to go about arguing by never Trying to prove or see if someone's correct or incorrect because the thing is The thing about if you've got an opposing opinion, surely it's diametrically opposed right potentially if it's diametrically opposed then you kind of like You kind of have to That's what I meant by depending on what people say. So for example Keanu Reeves is a terrible actor in John Wick and someone goes he's an amazing actor in John Wick and it's like Well, then one of you Maybe like inaccurate here But with something a little bit more specific You can say something like it was never set up that x thing happened and you go. Yes, it was it was in this scene And they go no it wasn't that scene as well And it's like oh you've already broken the rule because you guys are attacking each other's positions now And this also depends on what exactly is the claim that they're making whether or not It's like a positive claim like they're asserting that something is you know in the affirmative um In which case that you can attack it to take it down because you don't have to have a position that's Counter to it. You could be completely. Yeah, you could be completely apathetic to it in every way But if you're in a conversation like that Then you could attack what they're saying and that would be the argument And similarly it's also a matter of wondering whether or not this is a subjective or an objective opinion And uh Oh, well, I'll be quick. I swear I was just gonna say uh, if they you can test an experiment their perspective without even being remotely hostile as in They're talking about something I've never heard of and they make a statement about it that I don't really care about like Uh, Nathan fillion is has never been a part of the destiny franchise and then I go I checked the imdb page He's there Like I don't care one way or another but now I've just tested their argument It's not it's not holding up to scrutiny. You know, I mean and if they saw that with confrontation I'll just be like what I just don't understand what you're saying. I don't know where you've gotten it from That's all I think uh, I think his position is from the position that all of the takes are equally valid But I think we know that that's not true Like if I said that are if I said like the legend of zelda is a pretty bad first person shooter It's like, okay. That's that's a pretty bad Like that's that's worthless at that point surely Let's take the let's take the idea of if you're if because this is essentially kind of in the realm of debate strategy um, but let's say somebody says Um, I believe that the earth is flat, right? That would be different than someone saying. I don't know if the earth is flat as their statement So you can't you can't attack their lack of knowledge of something Right, you can't you can't go on the offensive About them saying I don't know if something is true or I don't know something But if they're asserting that this is the way it is or if they're making a statement of belief Then that's something that you can go after you have something to actually grasp on well, I guess um, this is really It's interesting that the way that he framed turning a debate into an argument is to attack the other person's position That's Yeah, I okay go go ahead then well, it's something very fundamental More fundamental in what is saying here and it again It's one of these things where he stated something as it's a it's just a given where everyone agrees with it And he doesn't even qualify it when which he frames this that in the context that if you disagree with someone He is claiming that as an attack and that Premise alone needs to be challenged and it's a big problem I actually find with a lot of people who are oversensitive where they perceive Anyone who disagrees with them as a personal attack there for their enemy And that is a big problem just in the world It's cruise of communication Yeah, absolutely. It's like when I disagree with you. I'm not attacking you personally. Okay. I'm not calling you an idiot I'm saying I think you're wrong for x y z and I want to show the reasons why And he's just taking it for granted that it's an attack that alone is a huge problem because from his perspective going forward I'm expecting now that he is going to perceive general arguments as bad and disagreements as personal attacks And that's a big problem. Well, what I find interesting is um, if you've ever done formal debates um I'm not sure how it works in other countries But when I did formal debates when I was in school the structure was like So you got you got two teams and there's three people So the first person on team one starts they lead they don't they don't rebut anybody They just lead the person who follows them Generally what they have to do first is rebut the arguments that were presented by the first person So that is how a debate works and you were saying that that's not how it works It's just it's you're unfortunately like that's a that's a debate format I was I was gonna say there are debates where the two people don't even freaking acknowledge each other Which is frustrated. Oh, sure. Sure It's you know, I personally don't like those. Yeah, I don't like there are formal debates where you rebut other people's arguments But yeah, Arlo's just said that that would turn it into an argument. It's like but it's it's literally a formal debate Like we want to debate not an argument and like, okay, what all right Well, I mean, how are you meant to talk if you don't address what other people say? I mean, he probably contradicts this own rule because he probably does this in this video Yeah, yeah Like what constitutes an actual attack and I say actual is almost like a meme I'm just like, you know what I mean like an attack like we really, you know Yeah, well It is what how you define what an attack is because attacking an argument is not a an attack against a person And so you should not perceive it as a personal attack when your opinion is attacked And that's the that's the big issue that I find a lot of said overly sensitive people have or is like You're attacking me. He's like, no, no, I'm just arguing yeah in attack attacking only really works to one There's um when it's either one thing or the other, right? Um So as I guess in the frame of this video, it would be, you know, this style is good for zell this gill zell the game This style is not good for this zell the game so If you were if it has to be one or the other it can't not be Something else it has to be one of the two so in that sense if you attack the other side then you would probably Lend it to yourself. It would help convince them that you're correct because if it's not them It's got to be you. It's not like there's a third option floating around Well, I think the idea is um or at least the theme with a video from what I remember is we can all just agree to disagree Which I'm not content with Yeah, I mean if I mean, what's the point of talking if we're just You know what I mean? Like yeah, the only way that would be a reasonable Resolution to an argument is one that really is just a matter of like taste Right Because that's something you you cannot convince other people of that Because that's based on an actual physical personal experience or a completely subjective preference Like you're not going to convince somebody who likes pineapple on pizza that it's disgusting It's that's not how it works It's like a night I will say though It is morally objectively ethically disgusting up an apple on pizza. That's my stance fighting It's pretty reprehensible. I gotta say I mean it tells you a lot about that character. They're probably a garbage human I'm with the puppets on this one. Yep Anyway, let's see where this goes. Uh, yeah, there's a way to keep a conversation. What time is it debate for you? 133 132 for me. Oh, yeah Within a second you'll be fine. Yeah All right Betful and prevent it from turning into an argument and it's this when you disagree with someone state your opposing opinion Instead of attacking theirs You know that comic that just let people enjoy things one. Well, that goes for the opposite, too People are allowed to dislike something you like and you're very much allowed to think I like that I like that position though. I hate this We might be talking about different things. Yeah. Yeah when what I'm talking about is the whole You're if you're disagreeing you're not allowing them to have an opinion quit that. Oh, right Oh, so you mean he's wrong on both counts. I'm sick of hearing that I'm sick of hearing this garbage nonsense because you hear it all the time it pops up Let people enjoy things it's like at first off. I don't have the I don't have the ability To take away their enjoyment. I don't have that kind of power And I'm not saying that they can't feel this way me saying that they're wrong is not saying that they Cannot be wrong You're not saying some feelings are wrong when you make an observe because your feelings How can your feelings be wrong? You know what I mean? Like your feelings are what they are I don't know. I want to push back a little bit on what you're saying there rags Because if someone says they like something and it's really bad and you dislike it because it's bad and you explain Why I think even like it takes Usually usually on average I find when you explain it's bad and stuff like that You can diminish the enjoyment someone else is having in something by explaining how bad it is and they're like, oh Wow, you kind of know what you're doing is you're convincing them of something. You're not forcing anything on Yeah, you've convinced them that it's bad, which is why they're freedom to listen to you or not Yeah, my my additional views on it is that And achieving that changing their opinion on something is That they now dislike it where they liked it before is not a bad thing I actually find it a good thing that people's standards are raised to appreciate better quality Because that encourages better quality things being made overall. And so I feel it's a net good You know, even if you're trying to say that because of what I've done I've reduced someone's enjoyment in something through even through their own acceptance of the argument I forward they didn't now dislike it That's like people seem to assume that The lack of enjoyment people now have in bad quality things is a bad thing because people's enjoyment is less than just like no I would rather people enjoy good things not bad things Yeah, I think um, I think the view would be that it would be preferable if people's point of reference for good content Was aligned with uh, you know, what we what is better quality uh content, you know what I mean? yeah, and If especially if the goal here is to increase the quality of media Then yes, then you should raise the standards of what people enjoy Unfortunately, and this is kind of the big issue is that they no more choose to not enjoy it than I can choose to make them enjoy it So neither of us beliefs are not a choice You you don't choose what you believe they are the result of things And if you can convince somebody of something that's no more Your choice than it is theirs. That's just those are results Of arguments made and experiences had and the way that people's brain processes all that information So can you make people do things is like it's kind of like saying can you make people offended? Plus when you when you convince someone that something is bad that something is of poor quality Uh, the more people you've made them more critical and the more people think that way The more likely that that is to influence how things are actually made and you'll get better content as a result I mean look at fucking ea with all the backlash for microtransactions You know each person who bat who? uh Who you know lashed back on that was at some point persuaded by some kind of Argumentation or something that microtransactions are a bad thing Well, yeah, there there's a reason for why everyone every every belief that we hold is Based on something right they don't just form a vacuum. There's a reason for it. It doesn't mean it's justified It doesn't mean that it has solid footing doesn't mean that it's correct But there's always a reason for it and Helping I think we might be getting caught on definitions because when you say that beliefs aren't a choice I always feel that there's an element of choice in it even if it's based on You know things that you're observing say a logical argument or facts and stuff like that I do feel ultimately or come to it you choose then to agree with the facts Because uh, you can't um, it depends. How would you define belief? Well, that that's what I mean I think it's coming down to it with how like and so belief I would generally try and define as a an opinion you hold in something based on Teva reasons and sometimes those reasons are valid if they're, you know, more objective Things you can observe and sometimes the reasons are more Would bear I say subjective And even ethereal you could say but there are reasons behind belief It's and that can form the choice of why you believe Well, I mean, I think uh, I think what I my view isn't it's probably the same as rags It's like if somebody were to say to me uh, earth is a marshmallow You could choose to believe that it's like but I just be lying to you because I don't And no, I don't think you get used to believe that I think we assume that in the definition of believe it means that Where you've come to as a result of all these other things that there's no real rights That's the end point. You didn't choose an alternate endpoint based on nothing If you say for instance, uh that like the earth is a marshmallow is a good example, right It's not impossible to believe that the earth is a marshmallow. It's not it's not impossible, right But no one probably no one believes that because you as much as you say it and as much as you try to convince people They're not going to be convinced. They're not going to accept that Uh, I don't know a lot of people believe the earth is flat Well, I was going into the earth is flat But is it not more reasonable to believe that the earth is flat than if the earth is a marshmallow I wouldn't at least it looks flat if you're like you're stupid to think about anything else Well, it's it's not necessarily well, I wouldn't say it's necessary a matter of stupidity. It can be what it could be I'm serious To unfold that, you know, the earth is a marshmallow and you have no reason to question it. Yeah, that's true Yeah, it's it's it's a matter of ignorance not intelligence I would say the majority seem to have rejected, uh, you know, real science, uh to get to that perspective because A typical flyer that will be fully aware of of the same information that we're aware of Typically Conventional science and they've decided to reject it Yeah, well every every flyer throws an individual and they have their own reason Oh, yeah, the the idea is for for whatever reason they are legitimately convinced That you know, the earth is flat and this could either be um excessive cynicism and information sources and stuff like that and overreliance on Intuition whatever the reasons may be But our acceptance of propositions being true is not something that we can flick on and off like a switch Um, gee, I don't know. I see I always feel there's an element of choice in just by the fact that so many people in the world choose to um, believe things that You can argue and argue and all the facts you can and stuff like that prove them wrong Objectively in an argument they choose not to accept it because of whatever buy confirmation bias or whatever they have Well, well the only person who the only person who knows certain for a certain if they actually believe it is them Yeah, whether or not they act like it is another thing But in the sense that you could say to somebody, um, just like if I told anyone here in this call to all right if belief is a choice that you could Just turn on and off then just believe gravity isn't real And you could say that you don't believe in it anymore and you can maybe act like it to others But you're not going to be able to just stop believing that gravity is a thing Which is still a choice. I would say and the reason why we're choosing not to stop believing is because of the overwhelming evidence No, no, no, no, you you accept it But that's not a that's not an affirmative actual choice that you are taking consciously Right, you can't just decide I am no longer going to believe that gravity exists You can become convinced of it But your belief in that being a true proposition is going to be the result of the information that you have Your ability to justify it your experiences and how those are explained to you and other factors It's not like I just feel yeah, but I feel all those things you just mentioned need to be accepted through choice No, they can be Whether or not they well I would say no Mostly no at least you can do things That will influence the information that you're Given right you can put yourself in scenarios and you can surround yourself with people And you can put yourself in certain environments where certain kinds of information will be given to you, right? So if you were dead set if you if you believe the earth is flat And you believed in it 100% But there was a part of you that was concerned that you might be wrong Then the then yeah, if you wanted to avoid going to space museums and you wanted to avoid Learning about aeronautics and you never talked to astronauts and you never went to any of this stuff, right? You never went to work in these any of that Sure to a degree you can control the chance of that information being given to you for instance If you never ever talked about it if you never went into learning about it then yeah, sure But that would be a choice. That's not the belief You would be choosing whether or not you would be influenced by things that could cause you to believe otherwise And I was going to say like maybe as an example this could possibly help But let's just say a wizard came up to me and said that one of you four Has killed a person and I have to try and figure out who do I believe it is? I know it's true But it's only one of you four and I'd be like I have to gasp at everything I know Well I don't think weapons would really sway me much because I think all of you could get access to anything that could help kill somebody Sorry, what's the what's the what's the question you had No, so the premise is that I've been I've been told by a wizard that one of you is a killer And I'm a bit asked which one do I believe it is and I'm gonna probably think about it for a while Way up some well, I mean that's almost like step two because you have to fuck on So like I'd be like, okay, um, let's say let's say for the simplicity sake Shout out access to weapons, but ethically. I don't believe you would I don't believe ethically any of you would kill anybody But could I believe that any of you could be drawn to based on some kind of altercation or Thing I'd have to have to weigh it up And eventually I'd be like let's say I made a choice to this wizard He'd be like you believe it's this person I'd be like based on the fact that you've told me that one of them definitely did And I'm limited here in terms of my resources I do believe it's that person and it turns out I could be right or wrong or something And so could it be argued there that I made a choice to believe somebody or that I believed It was that person the whole time and I've explained my reasoning Uh, yeah, I mean, I think um, I think it's just uh when we think about the The idea of like what is it that you think I suppose it's like, uh Could I ever trace back a point where I Like the point where I realized that oxygen was a thing, you know what I mean? Like I don't think I could trace back to any point where I Had I was presented in my mind with the choice. It's real or it's not And I was like no it is real and that's my position It's it's it's like a position that you reach organically and it's it's um And I guess it might be tended to the whole free will thing as well, but that's a really big rabbit hole Even with what you've been like for instance, I choose to accept evidence that is more substantive than other evidence and then agree with what that evidence indicates and So you might be saying I am forming my belief organically based on evidence But there was an original choice in the way that I structure or in the way how I structure my beliefs That's uh, I like that example I like that example, um Because I guess the the instance would be like so if we're in court and we have to Decide on whether or not somebody's guilty of a crime and they present a whole bunch of evidence Let's take two jurors. So we got one juror who is only concerned about the facts Like he is a fax man and we got another juror who is you know, she's a or he or she Is that you? inclusive Hey, were you about to say she only cares about feelings If you're gonna exactly just area times bring if you're gonna be inclusive he she like black white, um They all right. Let's go with they so all of them all of them. Um, okay. Let's let's go with so All right. They're both women. All right So she so there's one woman who is concerned only with the facts and there's one woman who is mainly concerned with like, um I guess how how You know, there's sort of gut feeling that she has about this and I don't even really think the gut feeling is like invalid If you know what I mean, like I think that there's uh, I think that there's a reason why we have a gut feeling Yeah, but uh, it's essentially based on evidence that you haven't thought about as hard. Oh, yeah, potentially. Yeah, so um Maybe maybe Got feeling is intuition. It's based on but uh Your previous experiences and the the biases you feel it down the rabbit all we go Sorry, yeah, but uh, I thought it was originally about um, if it's So this is why I made sure I made sure to say the beginning that all those video is going to be a vehicle That means we're gonna go other places From his video. Sorry. I uh, I there was a look there was a little bit more to that one So so yeah, we got we got our two jurors one of them. She's all facts and the other one. She's all feelings. Um now You know whether regardless of what conclusion they reach Why is it that uh, one of them is really facts driven and one of them is really feelings driven Was that a choice that they made to choose to be facts driven or feelings driven? Or was there a whole set of things that happened? Well, I mean Very close to the question though I think that what fringy was getting at was that those two people had arrived at what Essentially worked for them that your brains are like information processes processing machines As we get older and as we learn and as we get more experience that machine gets Changed hopefully for the better in what information it will accept and what information it weighs against the other information That's gone through the machine and the idea is that you normally start when when you're kid You start with the basic you start really simple and is as you as you get older and older and older All that information, you know, it's it's built up and it's built up and you can handle better systems and better processes and Oh, I I I think I think there's an analogy now actually let's think about it like uh, like Who you are is a big jenga tower And you set up your and the blocks get set up and they get set up differently depending on I don't know Sort of what direction you head in whether or not I don't know you had parents who were really Facti sciency people or whether or not you had a bad experience at uh, you know when you're a kid at school A million or something Yeah, a whole bunch of variables and they start getting stacked and they just get stacked one by one and then you know 20 years later You end up with two people who have totally different looking You know one of them might be a caster one of them might be like a birch calipus skyscraper And they just got there and you don't know how they got there Like you can look at the individual pieces But you can't exactly figure out What what whether it was because they happened at a certain sequence or whether or not they were arranged in a certain way Just I don't know as a just because of the way that your life went And then you end up with two totally different people with totally different belief systems or you know different moral positions or whatever And it's like it's the sum of a whole bunch of little parts And maybe those little parts were influenced by choice. But what you ended up with was totally outside of your control. It just happened Sure, you can influence it to a degree But the things that you influence will ultimately give you the result of what you accept is true What convinces you as part of the machine process that you hopefully hone to be better and better over time See, I feel there's an element of choice as to determining what that machine process is for each individual Some oh, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Um, I guess it depends on a Uh, sorry you have a hand on the wheel, but ultimately where it goes is not Entirely up to you like you could you can take certain actions to maybe lead yourself. This is definitely the free will This is definitely Well, this but this part is the well assuming that we can have free or not we can let's let's just Let's assume we don't have a choice and we have to have free for this conversation that you It would be like we we can If you wanted to um, I think the analogy of the flat earth was it was fairly good Like if if you accepted that the world was flat and you believe that truly and you never talked to anyone about it And you never tried to learn anything about it. Then yeah, the chances of you Continuing to accept that as true are going to be a lot higher than someone who Really wants to put it to the test and does the leg work to learn all the information That part is the choice whether they went out and looked that's up to them But the result is not going to be their choice like i.e No, no, I think the result can very much be choice defended because people can choose not to Agree with all the argument the evidence you put forward and stuff like that Um, I guess the thing is is I guess what we mean by that or at least I think what you mean by that is um So we have a person who is a flat earther And maybe they haven't really got a bunch of arguments for it And then you just dump a whole bunch of facts in front of them. You got pictures of earth You got you know, you got mathematicians explaining how it works and yet for some reason they're still like no I'm not convinced. I don't know if it was a choice for them to say that they're not convinced I think they are earnestly unconvinced No, I I do believe choices can happen subconsciously Like Well, if I get choices to be informed by Many opinions and biases and stuff like that and you might not be overtly thinking I'm choosing this because I want to But I think um, every single Viewpoint you have is ultimately a type of choice No, um Let's just be a difference of um, how If your view is that it's subconscious then we might actually like agree In it like in practicality, but maybe it's difference in terminology. Well, if it's subconsciously I don't think it's a choice. You don't you don't choose what you subconsciously do However Yeah, if it that's the whole thing about being of it being subconscious Is that you are not actively making the decision to have those things? But what is one that I'd like to think about more um Because yeah, that was an interesting this is the definition of subconscious Of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware But which influences one actions and feelings. Yeah Um, so I guess and the the example is my subconscious fear Which is probably a good one because you don't really choose to be afraid of something Yeah, exactly. That's that's yeah, you your subconscious affects you, but it isn't something that you have control over Oh, I think something you can control I guess what I'm saying is that you can have subconscious biases that can affect a choice you make without being aware of And you can you can deliberately try to alter your subconscious biases by looking like up information. Yeah You can learn how to shape it But it's almost like you don't control the product. You just control the Guiding of it. Yeah Internal biases that they want to have because they look up information That they want to believe yes. Yes. That's probably a good example and and people can still like people can still believe thing contrary to um, what they might a good example would be let's say someone is Born and they have very racist parents, right? The parents are very the parents really don't like I don't know Peruvians or whatever. I hate Peruvians, right scum So you grow up your parents hate Peruvians your parents friends hate Peruvians And they fill your mind with all these ideas that Peruvians are terrible, right? And then, you know, you leave the house you get out in the world you go to college you meet people You meet Peruvians. They're like, hey, these people are Are kind of nice and there's a part of you that's like, oh, but you know this whole It's almost like indoctrination, right? How do you fight this this thing that's been drilled into your head? Even though you know, you shouldn't hate Peruvians. There's still a part of you that goes But yeah, you know that stuff that I've been told for my whole life It's kind of like that It's weird line of knowing you shouldn't believe it, but still accepting it is true anyway It's really it's really interesting. Yeah Um, what a great segue It's very related to what is talking about Which is the initial premise of can you convince someone to like something? I think before that even happens though in whatever context he provides We've got a deal of person a and person b person b likes x person a starts espousing positions on The content that changes person b's mind It's like so what happened was person b stapled down to the fucking floor like you can you can you can leave So the idea that it's like, ah, you you fucked up my feelings now I'd be like you came here like I was So if so if this conversation starts with like chat if you say, you know, I I hate Lord the Rings And I'm like, what the hell and you go, hey wait wait man, like, you know, that's just that's how I feel about it I know that that's unpopular, but like honestly, I don't really want to talk about it. I'd be like, okay You started it. Well, the thing is right. No, I actually do have to give some people warning If they say like the last Jedi and when I asked me what I think about it, I have to say Look, I hated it and You might not want me to talk about it if you like the movie because Because I kind of do you understand the perspective that some people want to keep enjoying something And I have the potential to ruin it for them with some pretty solid arguments and And so but the the foot side to that is that I don't necessarily want them to like it if it's legitimate bad And so I think I think it's why they're afraid of that kind of having that conversation with like people like us I mean, I think that I think that a lot of people know That if they get it if they let's say they love the last Jedi There's a lot of people who probably know that if they really sit down And talk to people like us about it and we go over it for all the reasons They know they've got this quote unquote fear that They're going to stop liking it and it's not just a thing. They can oh, yeah. Well, I'm going to like it anyway It's a funny one because it's sort of it's sort of affirms that are whether or not you agree with the objectivity subjectivity as defined by a lot of the people on eFap the framework for argumentation seems to be pretty solid if at least If it still results in the same outcome Which is you not liking it after hearing about all of the problems quote unquote, you know the subjective problems as it I was on geeks and gamers stream, right? And a lot of them was just casually saying like episode three of mandalorian was the best one best best best best And I was like is anyone here heard the perspective that it's not the best one out of the three And then they were like not really. No. No, and I was like, oh Well, I don't think it's the best one out of the three. They were like And uh, they asked people like just just you know any problems I had I was like, okay Well, and I just gave the um the one where you know He looks in through the wall and he is the most important piece of information He could hear to get him motivated to go inside the building and I was just like seem pretty convenient And the second I said that a lot of them are like, oh, yeah You know, look at the all recognize that And now my feelings are starting to change but like I'm always in the position of like, uh My feelings may change so be it, you know, if someone if if all four of you came at me with lord The rings is terrible. I'm like go for it Well, this is oh go ahead There is the those individuals who can actually acknowledge something is bad and still like it It seems like so many people think that if they like something it has to be good because they like it And and if you prove it to be bad, you know for very strong objective reasons Then they're like, oh that means I don't like there's no you can still like it Yeah, I think I think a good example would be uh, I think venom is a piece of shit movie But I I thoroughly enjoy it. I like to laugh at it another good one This is predator. I thoroughly enjoyed that to recognize the difference between Because a lot of people if they don't think about it, they probably lump those two things as the same thing Like in something and having it be good quality, but the thing is I've seen no, no, no We're not going to change anything. We're just going to say just those are just two separate things They're not the same clump that you've put them in or that you haven't cared to separate yet But the thing is I often hear people say I'm pretty sure I've heard a lot say it to in other videos Where he's like, I'm sure it's really good. I'm just not that interested It's like do you see what you just did there? Do you see exactly what you just did there? You recognize that it's still probably of high quality. You just are not interested So we can separate Also, yeah, it was not having an interest in pursuing something and then actively disliking it when you try it Even that's good Sure, but it was an erotic stream as well I just want to make sure I clarify that and I don't know if all of their positions were that the third is the best In case I misrepresented anything. It's just that that conversation happened That's all Gotta cover cover cover your ground, you know, make sure I didn't piss anyone off there Yeah, uh, should we should we continue with this video? We've been talking about I mean if you wanted to say something else and this is EFAP ringing you got time Uh, I'm not sure. I think it was um, I think it's uh, because I often say that deep down Nobody really believes that there's such a thing as that all Like he's got footage of our skyward sword And I know that a lot of people don't like skyward sword But are we going to pretend like skyward sword is equally as good or bad as custer's revenge? Are we really going to do that? Like are we honestly going to pretend that they're exactly the same you seem like the hate for Skyward sword maybe hyperbolic to a point where you know No, no, no, no, no, what what I mean is um, maybe I'll use a better example So let's take breath of the wild which is pretty widely regarded as one of the best games of the decade Um, which I think is fair because there's a lot that that game does really well Are we going to pretend that breath of the wild is as good or bad as custer's revenge? Does anybody really believe that truly the one I usually go to is just um the room A lot of people used to say the room versus the dark knight would often be the comparison Oh Dark knight is quite flawed though. Well, this is the same hence why I said what the people would often compare Some people believe the last Jedi is the best I was me. Oh, yes, they do But what I mean is are people gonna, you know, let's uh, I don't know Some people believe that if you don't medicate your kids, they'll be healthier Well, it's it's just the general position that um, I think everybody recognizes to some extent quality and lack of quality um And that's that's sort of like a subconscious thing. You know, it's like how people say Zelda's a great series and everybody just says it and it's like well, there's got to be a reason for that Why is it that pretty much everybody says it's a great series and why is it that I can't? Well, they like it But there's got to be something else besides just liking it because a lot of people like stuff that isn't that good Like transformers like the the michael bay movies As I was there's got to be something so widely accepted as bad That's an interesting thing to look into actually am I like even I don't know Well video on it. It's like a why is it that there are some things that are so widely accepted as good and some things That are so widely accepted as bad I have a theory that transformers came out today. It would still it wouldn't be like, oh no, it's just bad It would be like so widely debated I think it only got its reputation as being awful is because it came out before All of this shit Well, something that I find is interesting to try and understand also very difficult is that there are more like overtly objective things that you can gauge something's quality by and and that's I think a lot of the angle of that I guess judgment, you know, we take here on eFap about like for instance consistency and stuff like that is a Really strong one, but then I also feel that there's actually Another like almost lay out a deeper layer. That's more theory than harder to quantify To determine something something's quality for I always look to twilight as my example because twilight is universally panned as being horrible Yet, it's insane success In when I see that It informs me that it's doing something right and if you could nail down what that something is even though Harder to try and define and and this is again if you look at transformers It's still transformers is wildly popular and successful and maybe it's actually not too complex Maybe I'm giving it too much credit trying to find out. What is it doing? Right? That's making so many people like it. Maybe it is the number of explosions and I think it's uh I think I think that those two are good examples of tapping into certain innate things that people find satisfying That's kind of duty Well, yeah, even if the connective tissue is really bad and yeah, there's big explosions And yeah, there's a surface level kind of feedback to a lot of things in terms of the senses, you know what we see what we hear Yeah Oh, yeah If you could get that if you could tap into that then you don't need much beneath the surface because people get that enjoyment from something that's kind of superficial in a lot of ways Yeah, there's a lot of people who like remember with the twilight things were in full swing Man, those were they may all the twilight fans All the all the what is the new one the uh the gray uh the sex one Man they uh, a lot of people love that a lot of people do a lot of chicks did I think we I think we know why the There's such a disconnect with that one. It's the most obvious thing is like The the demographic that it's for clearly likes it for a very specific reason and you don't need to explain it No Porn in our in sexuality in terms of what we find Sexually attractive is is a good thing. You know, it doesn't matter how deeply bad Well, no, I mean like in terms of uh, you know, I'm genuinely asking Huh? I'm genuinely asking Could you could you make could you do something? Is there like are there standards in porn that could be Define pornography and I guess I suppose if it's if it's shot in a way that you just can't see what's happening But that's like the only Yeah, what if that's what people like that I don't want to see you know people who get You know people like to get blindfolded. The problem is that uh, it's too broad There are there are crafts there are crafts within born as in like it's like you're saying they're crafts to filmmaking And then we can reference okay, so like a script writer or a director editor like which we've probably Hey, you know, you find it funny, but there's a production to porn There's a difference between highly produced and lowly produced porn. Everyone knows this Guys, I'm a good christian boy I mean like when I on the different levels of quality of porn Well, I guess like um, if once we get a definition for pornography Then we will have a standard by which to judge something as whether or not it meets those criteria Well, I do the transformers movies meet the expectation of what they were trying to achieve I probably probably what they're trying to achieve sure If if the quality of the if we want to use the standard of you know x And if if transformers meets that then yeah, it's subjectively good I would say they're trying to tell a story and the plot I think is fairly incoherent for quite a few of them So they failed at that. I don't even know how many there are now There are six There's uh, there's transformers transformers revenge of the fallen which is terrible like much worse transformers ducts of the moon I think that one's really bad age of extinction, which is the worst one I I couldn't watch that one like all the way through I don't even know the difference. It's like the it's like all the pirate smoothies after the first one They just blend together into one Like literally A guy essentially talked to camera whites about why it's okay for him to bang a 17 year old. Oh, that's uh, that's age of extinction Yeah, he literally printed off and laminated a section from a piece of legislation That says it's okay for him to be going out with a 17 year old It's just like what the hell is this movie? I mean age of consent is 16 in a lot of places here I don't know why you have to like laminate because because Michael Bay fucked a 17 year old No, it's that Michael Bay This is a nickel back fucked a 17 year old. Oh, it's that Michael Bay has put in only only a 17 year old would fuck nickel Well, it's because Michael Bay again. He's he's not very subtle director You know, he always has our shots and things and it's like it's always like he has to justify that Like this is a lie. This is legal. He chose to but that's the thing he chose to make his character 17 I know we did What's the actor 17? She's uh, hold on i'm gonna double check That strikes me as the reason they would have that in there Oh, yeah, that does make sense. I guess So transformers age of extinction came out in 2014. Let's assume that it was filmed in 2013 Uh So she would have been like 18 when it was being shot I don't know what like I don't get it like I don't get it come back out now Like It's so that movie is terrible and then they did transformers the last night where it's like Oh the transformers met up with like king Arthur and Merlin. Oh, yeah, I was about to ask Is that the one where they're like apparently they transform into trebuchets or some No It's like transformers in king Arthur and I was like nah, I'm Well, the thing is they keep they keep They keep retconning the law because in the first transformers movie That was the first time they came to earth in the second one It's like no, they built the pyramids 10 000 years ago and the third one nope They were on the moon And then in the fourth one it's like nope They killed the dinosaurs it's a cop and then it's like nope transformers started the big bang They're like, oh, okay So anyway, so Zelda Again, I don't know. I don't know if you want because the the the anymore of the video the contention like I said is You're ruining people's feelings by fucking addressing Their expression of their feelings or something like that, right? We'll we'll roll him back There's no way we're gonna get through more than 20 seconds without posing again, but we will Give it a shot Go ahead and hold that for one moment. Let me use the loo and you can talk about I don't know I'll uh, I'll also take advantage of that. Yep. I'll just say that was a glorious and deep tangent It was yeah, that is an e-fap tangent right there. That's probably one of the biggest tangents we've ever had It was a team we got into the picture of you know agency and belief Which by the yeah every conversation every argument will eventually come down to philosophy, right? That's pretty much like how it always works You you keep drilling until you eventually get down to fundamentals This pause has lasted for 36 minutes by the way. That's it. Oh, that's wonderful Yeah, we got it now. That's rookie numbers. The pause before that though lasted 30 37 to 40 the pause before that was 10 minutes. So you know, we've we've had One we've played the video once in the last like 46 minutes Let's go the the thing is like this is just not a topic that's going away anytime soon When people are curious e-fap of being like content parasites, they just take up Because they can't make their own parasites who don't even like remember what the content they were covering was We've played more like three seconds of video The jenny backlash thing was interesting to observe. Oh, was it? Just people having no idea what e-fap is Not understand I think uh, oh, sorry. I missed all that. What were you just saying? How the hell did you miss everything and then slam a door and go well? I think I don't know. I was I was I was I didn't catch all of it. I caught the end of it Were you having a conversation with yourself before you got here? No, I wasn't I was putting on my headset And I was like, oh, what's this what's happening? And then I like got up and closed the door All right. Uh, well, I mean, I don't know. What were we talking about? Oh, I was just as it's a sudden comment that I was making that I found a whole jenny backlash interesting about people not understanding e-fap at all and Tried to comment on what it's all about. It was like just wait for a dude I'll they will put out a twitter thing saying they spent 10 hours on my video. What the fuck By the way, brooks has since posted another tweet that he's in again deleted About Just stop man. Oh, was it the one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what that he's got one up there He's got one up there calling me and my fans vultures, which is still up for some reason Um, okay, that he's got Yeah, yeah, is he aware that vultures typically go after what's already dead? I'm trying to imply something there. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah I mean, I don't disagree with that It's the tweet where he's thanking literally the person who was defending him singular Oh His wife wouldn't defend him. She knows I remember everyone knobs is married So don't worry There you can do it. His wife is 3d I don't know I'm sure they get along very well. I've never seen her. He just keeps saying she's asian and that's the kind of thing He would say about it I'm certain that she is in that house voluntarily and she wouldn't escape if the doors became unlocked at all Sure, they have a very happy relationship. There's probably quite a lot of money in that house Is there? No, probably it's possible. Yeah, I don't know social blade. By the way, sign the petition I don't want to look at anyone's social Anyway, you guys want to keep going on social plate right now. Yeah, let's keep going. Let's do it Opinion instead of attacking theirs. You know that comic that just let people enjoy things one Well, that goes for the opposite too People are allowed to dislike something you like and you're very much allowed to disagree with all their opinions But when instead of no, I'm sorry. I was wrong. Brooks's monthly No, sorry Brooks yearly estimated earnings Are uh, oh no never mind. I was reading the lower estimate thinking it was the higher one of mine He makes a possible 5k to 90k a year. That's that's that's an amount 5k to 90k Things are so inaccurate. Just I could guess that. Well, no, it's it's definitely going to be somewhere within that range, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be anywhere between zero and zero and one Although to be fair, it probably doesn't take into account how much he gets demonetized because there's no way he doesn't get demonetized a lot His channel name has literally got shit in it In the video in the title of my video with two of the letters censored so Yeah, going back to what the uh video was saying It really seems like is trying to say don't challenge anyone's opinions But even if they dislike or like it just let them have their opinions So therefore nothing can be falsified. Look at the framing of the comic though You seem to be there seems to be this like friend who's just sitting next to a guy who's watching football and says How stupid is and then he's like shush. Let people enjoy stuff Um, how who's the one being censored here? Who's the one being stupid the thing is What but like do you know what I mean? Like the logic is hey, let people have feelings. It's like, hey, let the bad speak You should be allowed to do that, right? Let him enjoy pointing out how stupid stuff is because that can be really fun I don't even like I don't know. It seems it seems to go in a little bit too far with this for me I'm like, how fragile are you? What if I enjoy tearing down your Things that you know, it's like if somebody came up to me and said video games are fucking shit and you're shit for liking them It's like, okay Like I don't know. I like him a lot. You're not going to convince me otherwise Again with the context like if this is a good friend of mine, I'd be like video games are shit Yo, why what's what's your case now? If there's a random dude at like some party you're at where you're just trying to see the game or something It's like, you know why video games are terrible? I'd be like Why? Go for it. Oh, yeah Yeah, I don't know like this Yeah, it's if someone told me that I'd be like, hi. Yeah, you bet. I'd love to hear that But if someone knocked if the fbi knocked on my door with a massive pile of papers and said sit down I think your father's actually a serial killer. I'd be like, oh fuck You know, it's like just the annoying knowledge that my dad is a serial killer. Okay. Oh, okay I probably shouldn't have started that out with in the fbi is knocking on my door Well that goes for the opposite too people are allowed to dislike something you like and you're very much allowed to disagree with all their opinions Is that another way of saying this legal or a morally right? I don't know just saying allowed What do you mean when allowed it's like when someone's We've actually we've actually regressed in the video. We've gone backwards We have yeah Well, yeah, we'll get there. We're getting there. There's just lots of interesting This is the thing you can't have this topic without branching out everywhere because this is like fundamental shit And you know how he began this it's pretty obvious It's like oh is it that? Is it so? Well, that's the same thing that flat earthers say. Oh, it's obvious. You're a flat loving look dude Well, you haven't been to space rags. I don't think so favorite flat earth argument is people saying if the earth is moving Why are the still? You can't you can't answer that tag goes in tag goes out. How do you answer that? Somebody in the comment Somebody in the comment said that the author of the comic of let people enjoy things has said that he doesn't actually like that Comic. He doesn't like making it. Why won't he let people enjoy his comic? Why can't he let himself enjoy making his? Let yourself Use to like things I do like the idea of like you're you know, you're allowed to To disagree with people. I like the idea of you know, the disagreement police busting down I guess maybe You know It's all right You seem contradicting to a person a says I like cheese the next guy says oh cheese sucks And then that guy's like hey don't do that like person sees like leave that guy alone And then person d is like hey person see leave person be alone. He's just sharing his opinion This is what the guy's like. Hey person d leave person c alone. This is you know, I mean like it just goes on forever Oh, she's a shit Will we ever decide if cheese is morally good cheese is literally shit In his defense, it seems like he's trying to say, you know, people who dislike comic aren't bad people. They're Yeah, which I agree with not a hot take. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No He's coming at this so far from a very What I uh, this is the thing like I'm viewing what he said as the uh, the the sort of When somebody says I love that movie. That's just viewed as okay and positive But if somebody says I hated that movie, it's like god, why are you still opinionated? Why are you such a dick? Yeah, yeah, which is god like that's that's just let people let people like things So if he's if that's Yeah, no, go ahead. I'm basically done to steel man's point. Um, I'd essentially interpret this as uh Oh when someone says says they dislike something that you like it's not a personal attack and you don't have to take it as well Do you have to hear? Yeah, we all agree I think this is the thing. I don't think um, it's almost like it's an unwritten rule that never gets Used like Well, just the highlighting the hypocrisy flipping the stakes and for some reason we don't really seem to apply it But that part's fine. I don't disagree with that. I don't think anyone would so we'll let him carry on There's gotta be something else we can chew on I'm sure of it too People are allowed to dislike something you like and you're very much allowed to disagree with all their opinions But when instead of saying you feel that way well, I feel this way You say you only feel that way because you such and such you have officially No, no, no, I don't like this framing. I like this. I don't like this thing I don't like the angry eyebrows and I you quality baby get dead to death Like no, no, no, you're you're you're you're poisoning this discussion here. Yes, that's um, we've got an example Right, so uh, noble shits like oh my god. I hate this this Movie and and then um, there's just loads of women at it. I feel like is it because you already just like it Because there's loads of women at it True like Yeah, here's another example. Let's say you're playing a multiplayer game I was actually I was playing mordhow earlier and there was a guy in the game. There's really low level He's like man, I'm I'm having a lot of trouble learning this game's mechanics And I'm new I have so much to learn right and so that in the chat we asked him. Did you play the tutorial? And maybe you don't like the and he said no and he said maybe you're having a hard time Because you didn't play the tutorial right that's not us being like angry eyebrows and I'd be fucking dicks to him or anything. We're just like maybe you think this because da da da Maybe your opinion is informed because of this and not the other thing Or maybe you're just ignorant about some kind of topic or information I think the uh, the thing is right like if if we were to say the end of discussion Just inferring somebody's intent angrily like yeah, that's probably not great But the issue is that you've sort of framed it as though that is the only way that you can disagree Like you know what I mean? Like I can attack your argument without saying you only like it because this or that it's like Ah, come on Like we don't Just pointed out there for me either the framing seem he seems to be implying that when people disagree It's either the majority of people are disagreeing and then Assuming people's intentions based on their you know, yeah, that's the issue Well, yeah, you didn't like the last Jedi because you hate women But I will say Is it like you know, what if you have like clean evidence of someone's preferences that are What you would call morally objectionable? For example Someone just hates black people and they're like, I couldn't enjoy black panther And they're like, I think it was just like that. It was stupid and then you're like, well you hate black people So it doesn't surprise me that you didn't enjoy black panther, you know It would that be a fair statement or is that is that rude? I would say that's perfectly valid Rude, you know, well, it's I'm trying to figure out the intention behind someone's opinion based on certain facts that you know And so you could be yeah, not just using them of you don't like it because you're that You actually have a bit of background knowledge to that, you know The thing is I uh, I I am sort of over the view that it's probably a good idea to try and not In first somebody's intent behind their position because I think that's where a lot of people go wrong They're like, oh, well you you must, you know be this political leading because you said that and it's like that Come on, you know what I mean? But in this instance, it's the framing of it as though that is You know, that is what it means to attack somebody's attack somebody's position, you know People need to remember that when people have opinions If they might not even they in fact, it's probably not uncommon at all People don't know why they have the opinions that they do So it's not unreasonable for someone to be like, I Think this but I can't really articulate why I do So you just have to start simple and work through it with them Yeah, this is obviously framed as very attacking and assumptive of their, uh, Intentions and and motivations of this is like, okay, so this guy's an asshole It's not about the fact that he these disagreed with the view the perspective Yeah, this is the execution of the discussion That the real issue is I mean if you're gonna if you're gonna jump down someone's throat for no reason Yeah, you're you're a dick and you shouldn't do that because if for purely pragmatic reasons It's because if you're a dick to people, they're gonna want to there's instantly like that barrier that pops up Where I don't want to agree with you and I'm gonna treat everything that you're doing is bad faith And I'm gonna value it less Because you're being a douche to me and even if I do start to agree with what you're saying I'm not gonna show it. I'm not gonna act like it. Just add a spite to you And uh, I think you can tell this is very informed by the fact that he's shared That he doesn't like the look of the new game online And he's been receiving a lot of you don't like it because you have a preference for the uh realistic graphics or whatever Which he does so it's not even inaccurate. He does Yeah, that's yeah, that's yeah, that's correct. He thinks everyone if he thinks everyone everything's subjective and someone's like Well, you just don't like it because of your preferences, wouldn't he be like, yeah Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. Yeah, you don't like it because of your preference. That's true He will be making he's gonna make a couple of arguments. I remember there are in this video of the It's just gonna criticize straight up the style at some point. We will get there All right, I feel this way you say you only feel that way because you such and such You have officially and irreparably broken the conversation. You've turned it into an argument. You've made it personal There's that whole dumb thing that oh, you have freedom of speech to state your opinion Well, I've got freedom of speech to criticize that opinion. Oh, well, then I've got freedom That's not dumb. That's not dumb, but that's true. Yeah, I'm fine with that He said you've broken the thing you've done. It's like, okay It's not irreparably damaged if someone like straight up says like, you know argument Counter-argument argument counter-argument. You're a fucking idiot. You go, okay Can you actually counter the argument and then you carry on it'd be like that was a moment of them damaging the conversation to a degree Sure, but you can recover. It's really on You know, like to say there's like it's all over the second you you imply any kind of personal bias like what no You can carry on. I mean it happens to us all the time if someone says something like um on twitter Like muller didn't like captain marvel because he hates female protagonists I'll be like right then like that's a personal attack It's implicit that I'm a fucking sexist So all I've got to do now is provide examples of where I've praised female protagonists In film or have favorite examples. I can do that. I could choose instead to be like, I'm a sexist. You've destroyed this argument. I'm out He's also assumed or he's also trying to state that assuming motive for an opinion is an attack That's kind of what is trying to Yeah, which is not necessarily true No, it's not No Yeah, it's it's very I I would never I would certainly Try to avoid it. It's a straight. Yeah avoid it It can be when you say you just have that opinion because you're an idiot or because you hate women and stuff That's that attack but not in every instance if there's actual reason and you know evidence No, yeah, because because imagine if uh if somebody said I don't really like x come to and it's like Is that because you just generally don't like strategy games? There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, that's just asking Yeah, maybe maybe you have a preference that just isn't this genre Maybe maybe you just don't particularly like the genre. Maybe other genres of games are for you I want to put this to the test I want you guys to assume my motive because I'll state something that I think you'll find interesting sure I did not enjoy the joke closeted homosexual Of the apex gay Um Did you actually not enjoy the joker? I actually I didn't find it an enjoyable film. That doesn't mean that I don't think it's a brilliant film My first thought of all would be is it because it's a tad Uh, like you could call it negative. Yeah, it's not cathartic. You like catharsis in your endings No, I don't need catharsis Um, and it's true. Um Why why wouldn't shad have really cared for? Wait, but what about what I said though? It's just the idea that there's there's a lot in the film It's very uh, like a downer a lot of it's a downer Depressing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Like and I don't I naturally You know It's fair enough to myself to villain characters Like I've got a time for me to root for them when they've been bad things and overall it was a you know story of a man becoming a psychopath and stuff and so I can't enjoy something like but that's not to say it wasn't really made. Yeah Yeah, cool. Because he was white. So we just assumed a personal bias that may have resulted in your opinion How do you feel that we've destroyed this conversation shad? Well, I don't know more like Now that it's an argument you assumed the bias croakly moorler right there So, but even though you were corrected that you were attacking me You're not saying joker was bad because if you said joker was bad like you thought you thought it was actually a poorly made film And then you know, we said to you. Oh, you probably just don't like it because you can't You don't like well made Yeah, I mean It also depends on the standard that I apply if I consider something to be good, but um If only if I enjoy it then I would have to say the joker is not a good film because Standards that make me enjoy a film. Yeah. Yeah, uh, say again. Yeah depends on the standard Whenever you do the Intentions motive thing always form it in the always do the jeopardy and state your Motive sensing in the form of a question is like well like almost like you're probing them To get them to say it out loud to get them to think about it Well, maybe it's because this and this or did you like such-and-such or did you play the tutorial? Did you see the movie before this? Did you read the book? Do you really like this genre stuff like that? Instead of being accusatory be inquisitive I mean and also, um, uh any movie that doesn't have swords has already knocked down a few points in my Like it Um, no bullshit on twitter man What is he does something new you're doing well, it's the thing you responded to where you Show him a picture of the guinea pig You should just post him the petition to be like you are morally obligated to do this This is how it works What is it currently um Copy and paste is sourced. Uh, yeah guys, uh, this petition is important. It's going in the chat. I'm sorry Uh, I'll forgive you. This desperately needs more signatures Because knobs we want to annoy knobs like that's why you need to sign that it will annoy knobs We're bad people here on efap. We're bad. We're the worst Also, whenever he tweets anything new just reply to him with a picture of one of the guinea pigs from g4 I Can't believe that was a film that could constitute harassment under fucking tism rules Don't don't harass knobs with your g4. Don't harass him pictures. Send him them like out of love Yeah, I was gonna say don't don't get yourself banned now jay like encouraging people to spam him pictures Okay, don't do that That's Don't do that. Well, well play jay Oh man Not officially and you spam him with guinea pig pictures Not want you to do that that would be horrible to repeatedly spam I was like, I wasn't thinking like that anyone would ever consider being said a picture of a guinea pig harassment But like I could actually believe that he would say that it was the reason why I I warn you is because he threatened destiny with like getting rid of his sponsor Like you got to be careful Yeah, I guess don't do that. Yeah, that was just that was pretty disgusting knocking a lie. That was uh Thing is I just I don't I don't I want to I guess I don't want to encourage it, but it was funny when I saw it Send I did it without anyone. I saw people doing it with people telling me to do it Without people without me even suggesting that anyone do it. I saw people were just doing it through his tweets. It was funny I just find it interesting as some people will hate someone just because they are friends with someone They dislike, you know I can't believe it happened. Jay like I got in trouble for being friends with Jay. I never thought that would be the case Never happened that way around before It's like ultra tribalism It's the kind of thing that you want to you don't don't think of everything as an us versus them Like it's like there are times when you're like, oh, you know, he's in that group. So he's probably going That happens. That's just But it's like Everything like that. It's quote. So oh sit. She's streamed with more. What is it once? Yeah, once Right, so he's this one. He's streamed with you once and then uh knobs was like Uh, and then Jay has said these things that and then the list of the stuff I never said and then Fucking Uh was like, yeah, okay. So what's your comment about that since you associate with these people? I'm like fucking what? Yeah This is the thing. I'm pretty sure everybody can be associated. Also spoken to somebody. Yeah Like how it's like what Richard Spencer could probably be associated with directly with like contra points or whatever you can find a line In fact, that's not even long sargon. That's it. They've both spoken to sargon But isn't that the thing that it's like there's no one in the world that's separated by more than like what like Six degrees of separation or something when you say it like that You know someone probably someone and they once had a phone call with someone who most people have met a famous person And that's almost how you can really find the in sort of thing. Oh, yeah Well, you know, I don't I don't want to brag guys, but I do know Brandon sanded them just Well, I know shadow versatility so yeah I know no bullshit Anyway, let's let's hear this this um Totally fair representation of an argument that he's gonna put on screen for us irreparably broken the conversation You've turned it into an argument. You've made it personal. There's that whole dumb thing that Freedom of speech to state your opinion. Well, I've got freedom of speech to criticize that opinion Oh, well, then I've got freedom of speech to criticize your opinion of that person's opinion. Fuck. Yeah Why is he saying that this is ridiculous? That's the thing that happens a lot All right, bring it on bring on the free speech in the same way that you have movie criticism of movie criticism of the criticism of the movie And then with jenny we had hordes of people criticizing our criticism of her criticism of the movie That's great. This happens. It's fine. It's okay Like as long as you keep track of all the variables and you focus on what you're actually talking about you'll be fine It's all important. It's not like there's one fundamental level where whatever you say is just beyond scrutiny Oh You know what I mean Well, I've got freedom of speech to criticize that opinion Oh, well, then I've got freedom of speech to criticize your opinion of that person's opinion And it's this never-ending thing and that never-ending garbaging thing begins with that first criticism Why would you want to add that means there's no people that can loot anything anymore? And I'll say you want it It's just that's just the way that the world works You're never going to run out of arguments. They will never stop some things will simply never be settled Just you're just going to have to accept it, man But but also there are some arguments that can be settled through, you know discussion There's always going to be the guy who's not an individual level. Sure. Yeah, sure. Yeah, but maybe between like Two individuals. Yeah, absolutely But man, this is just gonna people are gonna argue and they're gonna Criticize especially now that we've got the internet and there's people and it's easy to go after others Like you can't you're gonna let you lack context Like do I do I have a problem with the people who are weighing in on like the Criticizes of the people who criticize stuff for that jenny thing It's like not necessarily they see this this thing out of context It's like the e-fab crew rip into women regularly for hours on end They're just gonna be like what and they have an argument with that guy And it's like don't you realize dude you're arguing with someone who's arguing about a thing that was arguing about a thing That was arguing about a thing. There's like there's no point. This is stupid now. It's like no, it's not Why is that stupid? Like he just described it as garbage. It's like no, it's not We talk about Beach to criticize your opinion of that person's opinion And it's this never-ending thing and that never-ending Garbagey thing begins with that first criticism of that first opinion That whole thing doesn't start if instead of a criticism or a boros you just have two independent Right, but it always has to begin with someone making a claim Again He's coming back to that thing where you cannot criticize someone's opinion and uh, again Like so before you could never falsify someone's opinion. Yeah Every opinion is valid If you really believe this then it's like likes or whatever that's irrelevant because that's a criticism That's a judgment of your opinion on something. So that's irrelevant Well, I don't I'm not sure where you're going with this man That's the thing Well, he seems to be saying don't criticize people's opinions because then leads to an endless argument And I would say everyone is endless. It might yeah indeed But not everyone and it's not necessarily pointless and I think you need to Polify it like nearly every statement or opinion to try and find out what is true like Yeah, I think that's this like that garbagey thing is like man, you think so little of discussion. That's awful I guess he's uh Well, this is the thing. Maybe this is me being a cruel mean man But I think you may have a personal bias because he's experienced this particular result a lot Well, now you're just attacking him. I apologize for that. I'm sorry. All right You've reduced this into an argument instead of a discussion even though Sorry, they got the discussions can be arguments and arguments aren't necessarily bad Criticism of that first opinion that whole thing doesn't start if instead of a criticism or a boros You just have two independent opinions Then I don't like it or a boros Like I understand what he's saying you've got these two options one where opinion a is stated opinion B is stated and we all go home the other Opinion a is stated and then opinion b is a is a counter of opinion a and so opinion a counters opinion b and we go on forever Why are these the two options? Like imagine imagine wanting to convince people that you're correct Like the audacity Rags that's that's that's wrong. Your opinion is wrong and let me actually will rape I wouldn't even debate you right I wouldn't even I've noticed it happened a lot on e-fap where one of us will say something and then if it's very wrong Like for instance, we miss quote something boy state something that happened Maybe it didn't happen because we got confused. I was like no no that didn't happen And you know what the person does who was wrong? They didn't look okay. Thanks. Thanks for the fiction Like I withdraw my criticism and I happen many times And if they feel strong on it, then it'll be like no pretty sure it happened They'd be like right there to youtube we did it in life with uh the redden guy, right? He was sitting there was no have you seen? Oh god, no Yeah, I use a guard. I don't remember too much. Oh, well, I mean you may not remember this there But he said there was there was no face scanner face making moment in the film Where there has been in every other mission possible and we were like, yes, there is He's like, no, there's not we pulled up the video and showed him. He was like well Can you be sure that that's a face making machine? We're like, yes we can And then he eventually was like well making face. He's like it's not on the screen for very long though Yeah, dude, it it was really strange It was a very strange moment where we were able to pull up a clip and just right there boom You are clearly here's it happening. You could watch it happening like no That's I got hit with copyright for that as well But while he was worth it For example that you can counter opinion and it stops right there when you counter it with just Evidence that can't you know contradict it and that should be fine That should be a process that's fine because if you just said oh my mistake It would just carried on but instead he was like no and then you move the goalpost like three times It's never fun. But uh, you know, we got through it. And yeah, um, I don't know I just don't like this dichotomy that are low is generating. Um, perhaps there is more to this though. Let's see Yeah, I don't want that first opinion That whole thing doesn't start if instead of a criticism or a boros You just have two independent opinions sitting next to each other Elaboration back and forth continued discussion. That's all great. Yeah, that can't happen if you start that chain going People having to Hang on Just said elaboration discussion that's all great, but it can't happen if you start that chain The elaboration discussion is the chain that he was just talking about He said two independent opinions. It's like but they they're not independent once you start You just said to talk about them The problem here is totally about how he constitutes attacks what generates this dreaded argument to happen And uh, his reference was was that uh, someone pointed to a personal bias and we've already defined that that's not necessarily A direct attack. We've had several examples already some by accident, but this is confusing To say the least yes Let's see where I love to ask this person. When is it okay to argue? When is it okay to debate? Uh, they but um, they they're just going to express their opinion and then you will express your Whoa, that sounds a good argument Careful there I I think is clearly defining what an argument is to be incorrect I think he used he believes an argument is when it's something devolves into personal attacks and yelling at each other Right, which is not a debate is an argument an argument is a debate. They're quite anonymous Yeah, also an argument can have personal attacks. It also doesn't have to have them They're kind of not like the same thing at all anyway. So it's weird that he he did lump them together And personal attacks can be interpreted. They can be delivered with levity or with malice like there's this so much to this That complicates everything like you could involve them to have fun That's true It's a way bigger topic than I think he realizes I think it's a bigger topic that Eddie would really realize is like even even me sometimes I'll be like Oh, fuck now. We gotta discuss this and now this and now this and now this is like a huge tree But uh fun nonetheless Oh yinz sitting next to each other elaboration. It took me a second to figure out your metaphor there And I was just like it's like a huge tree Yes Yeah, and then I got it. I'm just why did you force to tell us that? It seemed Important to me at the time. You're a strange man James. I mean John. What's your name? Jeffrey Jeffrey good to have you on again Jeffrey I hiccups you didn't hear it, but I just hiccuped. I thought you guys should by that I'm glad that I'm now not the only one just announcing things Independent I think that was the point of a drink In opinions sitting next to each other elaboration back and forth continued discussion. That's all great But that can't happen if you start that chain going and sorry if you do that Even if you think another person's opinion is closed-minded or whatever you have made yourself the closed-minded one Okay Minded yeah You just yeah, that's what closed-minded people do. They really love to engage Here's a good example, right? Uh, so imagine somebody says, um, I don't know insert race here are inferior and you will never change my mind on that If I said wow, that's pretty stupid. It's like, oh, you're the closed-minded one Even though the other person literally said that they are closed-minded It's like this is not how it works, man Yeah, he's uh lost his kind definitions and point like, you know as to what arm causes the thing and because uh, you know, it's a bit of a mess at the moment Oh, yes, it is. Yeah There's a lot wrong with that, but um, I'm gonna let him get further If you do that, even if you think another person's opinion is closed-minded or whatever You have made yourself the closed-minded one Even if you're like 99 presenter that other person's opinion was made for what you feel is a bad reason It is still not your place to call yourself a mind reader That's what he's saying is He believes um making any assumption Um, but to figure out why someone holds an opinion is being closed-minded, which is because Yeah, that's not even the same I think he's concluding that if ever I was to challenge let's say shad on his perspective I've assumed how he got there and I'm telling him it's wrong Which is a mind reading thing because I couldn't possibly know but that's not true depending on what shad says Like I said, if shad says Heath Ledger is not in the dark die, I don't need to know what's in his mind. He's wrong I mean, here's a good example, right? What if somebody said I don't like the art style to win wake it because I think it's shit and I said Oh, so you don't like it because you think it's shit. It's like wow closed-minded mind reader much It's like you said it Closed-minded I mean like assuming intentions is like an outgoing thing closed-mindedness is like blocking incoming thoughts like you've closed yourself off to the To to to learning about new ideas and potentially accepting new idea or putting yourself in a position to accept new ideas At least you're closing yourself off That has nothing to do with whether you accept Yeah, or whether you sorry, um, whether you are Proving other people's intentions or assuming other people's intentions. Those have nothing to do with one another You could be very closed-minded and extremely hesitant to think about other people's You know Yeah, I think I think he is trying to say it in the way that if you Um, uh try and assume the intent behind someone's opinion to dismiss the opinion Then that's being closed-minded because you're not trying to acknowledge the opinion I think that's right. He hasn't said it very well if that's what he was trying to explain Like that's what he meant he could have more eloquently said it as um guys like just just try your best to avoid Inferring the intent of the person you're arguing against try and keep it focused on what they've said their points And it's like, yeah, that's that's fine. That's that's uh, that's I agree with that But I think he's going further I think he's trying to say don't try and assume the intent behind people's opinions to dismiss that opinion I think that's what he's saying specifically But yeah, like, um Because assuming someone's reasons for their opinion isn't a bad thing It can be very informative to try and understand the person's viewpoint and therefore You to try and that counteract or argue it if they're wrong and so yeah, if yeah, if you're correct about If you are if you are correct about their reasons for why they think something that they think That could be very very helpful and changing their mind or getting there and also If they get it wrong just say no, that's not the reason try again You know like if you say well, you dislike wind waker because you don't like colors It's like well that no that's wrong try again. It's like cool Okay, we're fine like we haven't the conversation isn't irreparably destroyed of anything We've just crossed something off that we know that that's not the reason The person reacts to that if they see that as the personal attack then you're kind of I guess yeah fucked up, but then Um, you can you don't have to like when you think you've assumed someone's intention You don't have to announce it Just if you've got it you better understand you probably understand better understand that their viewpoint if you're right So you can use that to your disadvantage your disadvantage. You're i'm tired You're you can use that to your advantage while you deconstruct like their actual Point because if you if you think you know the reason they're making that point You can attack or at the core If I thought j really did hate black people and he was like I really don't like black panther And I say why and every reason he comes up with I knock out as being like inaccurate and then I could at some point be like Well, I see you can't say it because then the the cat's out of the bag per se But if j kept like alluding to it in each of his points like uh, maybe Yeah, well just that i'm just like do um And then I could be like do you like and then just gave a bunch of I'll be like do you like blade that you go? No, I hate blade. They're like, oh, why like main characters mind sweeper with somebody Yeah, yeah, you're like you're trying to fish around to finally get that piece of information because if you lead the witness on this one You'll lose You because but but you know, it's valid to say that that would be Unfair like if I open the conversation would be like you just hate it because black people would be like wow Thanks a great a great thing to do as well is it's not not what about ism don't just like oh, what about this thing? Um, ask someone to explain to you why they don't have an issue with something that you think demonstrates the same issue if if they don't You know, that's why it's not what's about isn't isn't a good like defense for something when you're making just like a response to someone Because it's like they could have so many things to say about it But if you ask them it's like someone's like, oh, I don't like um You know fucking Despicable me three because of all the plot holes And then you go, um, okay. So why do you do you do not feel that same way about the last Jedi? Are you like the last Jedi? Um, and see what their inconsistency is and you can you can Although we've been discovering lately a lot of critics don't necessarily care for whether or not something's consistent in plot Or even character It's much more important to have a consistent message that they either agree with or find to be very important to them Oh, yeah, and that's actually That explains a lot of what they do and I'm not saying it's invalid. It's just like thank goodness. We have the explanation now But even then like the messages And so the films that they like are so fuck Oh, absolutely And I'd love to talk to jenny about the message in uh tlj and have her answer Just a selection of questions But that will be attacking her so I wouldn't want to do that, you know You don't want to argue with Well, see, no, that was just a hate stream. What I'm suggesting would be an attack stream. It's two different things Oh And it was 11 hours not 12 It was 11 48 and we round up Yeah, but but it it's 11 all that's what I've been told everyone has been saying you're right about that It's weird. The meme was that it was 11 hours. No one wanted to say 12 But it's like they could have they could have said 12 I could have They did it. What was it j was it you that said they didn't read that far They just read the 11 that went away. Yeah Yes, that seems like the kind of thing they would do Back on topic and sorry if you do that even if you think another person's opinion is closed minded or whatever You have made yourself the club 244 Um, I'll drag us back to 40 again You 40 is where I'm hoping this pulls everyone back if you start that chain going and sorry if you do that Even if you think another person's opinion is closed minded or whatever You have made yourself the closed minded one Even if you're like 99 percent sure that other person's opinion was made for what you feel is a bad reason It is still not your place to call yourself a mind reader and assume that you're right and to call them out for it Especially when you're talking about literally every single person that shares that opinion If I might indulge in a little Okay, I would kind of agree with him with the people saying, you know, you dislike Um, whatever because you hate women. So if he's like playing. Yeah, if he's applying it in that context Yeah, I'll Like I avoid swimming statements anyway Yeah, because he's saying it's not their place. I wouldn't say necessarily it's not their place. It's just it's bloody stupid Try and say you hate the last Jedi because you hate women. It's like, whoa. All right. That's really extreme um So, yeah, if he's saying that I think that could apply somewhat No, yeah, I don't disagree with that. But the way he got here was not Like what he was referencing didn't seem to be that. Um But I I agree it applies to sweeping Because this is the thing you need specifics to be able to make certain specific claims like that And if you're gonna say the sweeping you couldn't possibly have all of that information About literally every single person that shares that opinion If I might indulge in a little preaching us here like I haven't been already You're not the thought police and you most certainly cannot pretend that you're certain That every single one of those people is wrong and their opinion is unfair and dumb The only thing that's unfair here is using such silly generalizations There are a lot of different reasons for a person to have any given opinion So it's kind of ridiculous to try to invalidate that person. All right Thing here he's jumped between A person and then everyone who holds the opinion I think if you have evidence you can infer the reasons for a person to hold an opinion But then so I think is wrong if you apply that on the the small scale the individual But then I kind of agree with him if you would then apply it to the macro the large where yeah, you couldn't assume Um, uh, you know everyone who has that opinion is because that yeah, so Well, you like they're like mean tweets where they say everybody who hates tlj is a misogynist. You'll be like, okay But I I'm a little bit confused because the initially it started off with two people having a discussion Now it's been extrapolated to Making comments about any person who shares that view which is not the same as what you were talking about before And then he goes back in he goes out to the to the you can't apply this criticism to everybody And then he goes back in and says because this one person probably has a reason compared to the rest that you're labeling with one thing And it's like right right you're nearly on to something there that it could have been valid Depending on if the person actually felt that way and that there's evidence for that or they've admitted to it There's lots of things to consider, but this is like Do wobbly Yeah Anybody else want to say anything? Let us continue There are a lot of different reasons for a person to have any given opinion So it's kind of ridiculous to try to invalidate that person by saying their opinion is wrong Instead of just saying that you haven't no no no no no no no wait you've gone wrong there because you you said It's bad to invalidate it No, but he's he's changed it again because now he's saying You know, you shouldn't be trying to invalidate it and say the opinion is wrong It's like no no no no now we're talking about like different things again The opinion might be wrong, but that that's different from what you were just talking about before about inferring intent To disprove it. That's not the same. Yeah, they could have an they could have a a bias or an intent and still be right Yeah, exactly exactly like Let's not conflate the two. That's the one we're talking about here Agreed Also could someone who uses like invalidate them they're like what do you mean when you say that? Well, what yeah, because it's always such a weird nebulous thing like invalidate. What do you mean? And if we Invalidating my identity. It's like, what do you mean by that? If we interpret it to mean I hold the opinion that x is bad and for three reasons And you prove all three reasons wrong My opinion is no longer standing in a place that could be considered accurate And if that means invalid fine Yeah, in that sense, sure fine, but people do you know use disingenuous means to try and invalidate arguments in a very intellectually dishonest way for instance You're wrong because you're a nazi even like which has like they'd obviously like that's an ad hominem Exactly, but they're using it to try and dismiss argument oftentimes Obviously very far from being that's is sometimes a very complete opposite And but by trying to vilify them and say that they should be disregarded because they're a bad person when they're not really a bad person That's kind of what they're attempting to do though to Then sorry it is done where people in about try and invalidate an opinion through very disingenuous means Yeah, try to invalidate that person by saying their opinion is wrong instead of just saying that you have an opinion That is different If I hang on and plus if if my opinion is wrong like actually you could demonstrate my opinion was wrong He's like you're helping me out by telling me it's wrong yeah, and Saying an opinion is wrong. I mean, uh, if you have evidence for it call power to you, you know Well, the idea of being like, um, if you could prove like if I say it's my opinion that uh, I don't know Henry Cavill wasn't very good in the godfather. It's like Okay, that's like just categorically false Yeah, my so the opinion is wrong. I guess. Yeah, like yeah, yes. Yeah, then it's wrong. Yeah Like what is it that you're curious? It's just it depends on what they use in the way to mean feeling or judgment which one you're going with Something like its own category of just like nonsensical like the question doesn't even make sense Like the opinion doesn't even make sense, right? Yeah Uh, well, I think the issue is that it's again this thinking about it as just opinions are Oh, well, these are just things that we think about something but not Taking it to its fullest extent to test the boundaries of what you mean by an opinion because the thing is I don't know like if I don't match with reality Well, the thing is I feel like if I said that he just thought oh, but that's just factually wrong So it's not an opinion. It's like oh, but what do you mean by that? Like it is an opinion. I said it It's a judgment that I made Yeah, the earth isn't flat if you think it is your opinion is wrong It's yeah, you need to think about the definitions and then we delve into like they might even do the pivot to like Oh, so my feelings are now Wrong. I have them. You can't say that and you're like, but what you're describing How can you call that a feeling versus? It's this is why this is why we always go to actors being present in films How do you feel that henry gavill is in fucking godfather? Like how is that possible? Like you've attached your opinion to something that doesn't really exist. I'm I'm curious why you You're you're under some sort of misconception Yeah, no henry cavill was merely an astral projection that only I could I can astral astral project is mustache away Instead of just saying that you have an opinion that is different I'm really not trying to call and no, no, I just want to be frank. Some some opinions are shit All right I would have concluded that long ago. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah union is wrong instead of just saying that you have an opinion that is different I'm really not trying to call anybody out here and I know lots of people just kind of say stuff Oh, yeah, you could don't call anyone out. That would be an argument. All right. We can't have any those That'd be bad. What's gonna say is his logic doesn't allow him to do a lot of um, well any kind of response for the most part unless he but He is technically calling out everyone who does the thing that he perceives to be wrong Right. It's very ironic, isn't it? The very premise of what he's trying to establish here People are wrong in the way that they're arguing because they state other people are wrong when they disagree with them And I state this by stating you're wrong And there's the the implication for a lot of stuff is if you are arguing for the affirmative of one position Then you are also saying that a lot of cases if you hold the differing position You are wrong Yeah, putting too much weight. Maybe he's outwardly called I mean, I think all of us would actually qualify in his his video so far as closed minded from his perspective Which is fucking hilarious Not to mention that he's trying to discourage people from doing that action and then saying if they do it They're closed minded and this action happens to be challenging someone's opinions Which seems to be an attribute of someone who is the opposite of closed minded or at least They're half there as long as they take in information themselves, you know Yep I'm really not trying to call anybody out here And I know lots of people just kind of say stuff without putting too much weight on it But I gotta be honest with you. Oh, I know Unless they maybe maybe take a bit more care sometimes What? Um, I'm really tired so I want to drop out here. All right. No problem. Mr. J I'll uh, I'll speak to you lads some later time Toodle toodle Um All right, let's but yeah, just the idea that like, you know, some people just say stuff and it's like, yeah um, so one Try and be mindful of whatever you may say in whatever Context you may say it and two don't marry yourself to certain statements just because you said them You might be like, you know what I said that when I without really thinking. Yeah, I don't really know what I'm talking about It's okay to do that. Consider all of your um, all of your positions as tentative Hey guys, I just need uh, go to the toilet quickly. I'll be back. All right. All right Oh, what are we possibly gonna discuss guys while we wait? Oh Oh, I don't know Oh, I don't know. What's It got brought up before the impeach impeachment Nice. I've got it We know we can't be a we can't be a political podcast apolitical apolitical apolitical Oh I don't care if you talk about it I look for you was gonna say something but then he stopped No, yeah, it's not relevant. They're trying to kick trump like we kick j I don't think they're gonna have as much success as we do I I I don't think that they will We've literally kicked j and I like a million times like can they even do it to trump once we shall see Oh No, so rags, who will you be voting for out of the democrats? Um I don't know I mean, who's my favorite of all of them is a jeb. I don't know. I wouldn't vote. I wouldn't really yeah jeb bush I'm up for jeb jeb's just what we need to turn this country around Jeb make jeb great again with an exclamation. This would mj. Yay Mugiji Yeah, see jeb should have been vice vice president. Come on trump It's pronounced. Yeah mj ga She didn't say collab. He just said please at the end of his please please He's he's at the voting booths and he's like, please vote for me. Please but they're like, well, why should I vote for you? He's just like, please Please just just just once just a just one little vote It's pretty crazy that he Eventually, you know just started frowning at people with bad joker takes that was like that's where he ended up career-wise Of all the places he could have gone, you know Who would have seen it? Who would have seen it? Who could have foreseen this conclusion? And no chat. I'm not a democrat. We got some nice jeb 2020s in chat. Good stuff Talk about politics. What did I miss? No, no, no, we would just we were talking about talking about politics Oh There you go. Yeah, I'm trying to call anybody out here And I know lots of people just kind of say stuff without putting too much weight on it But I gotta be honest with you I firmly believe it is a mark of immaturity to attack and try to invalidate a person's opinion Instead of just saying why you disagree and admitting that different people just play and have different opinions Is a very immature attitude. I mean It's an attitude that It's like a social contract. We already established when we got into just speaking. It's like every whole different opinions. Yeah Yeah, that's why i'm here I want to challenge yours. You're like, no, but you accept that I have a different one. It's like, well, yeah But I think the basis in which you've constructed it is flawed and I would like to challenge it or at least question you Can I do this in a way that doesn't offend you? Can I just place pamphlets next to you that provide you information you may not have Or am I still attacking like It's interesting to go as far as saying it's immature Yeah, but did he say that you're allowed to discuss things just Yeah, that's the problem. You can discuss it as long as you never actually try to persuade somebody like for real Which is odd. Well, I know exactly what he's fucking referencing. It's like for me being like Oh, I love I will hate Lord of the Rings because of the the overuse of Fucking practical effects. I just hate practical effects. I go. Well, I love it because I actually really enjoy practical effects So really it really grounds the film to me makes feel more real end of conversation So lame Yeah, then you're just both standing there awkwardly like Okay, all right And you know, some people might be like, well, do you guys never accept that happening? I'll be like, well, if you reach an impasse you can But I would be like, why don't you like practical effects? And what do you mean? Like there's too many like How do you quantify that and do you you feel that? No, the Socratic method is an attack on other people. Okay Just give up immediately like oh fuck. Okay Well shame. We can't discuss anything And besides this is almost like the same thing just using different means like what if you explain it in a In a way that makes them really question Why do why they think what they think and everything is it? No, you're doing the same thing. You're just doing it in a Superficially less aggressive way is really the strongest you could phrase it. All you got to do Is say it Write down on a pamphlet and push it over and just put it in like a little kiosk and be like, oh look at that pamphlet I'm gonna go now. You enjoy that pamphlet. Bye Then they look at the pamphlet and they're like, oh my goodness, you know what I think about this pamphlet You go. Oh my god. What do you think about that pamphlet? It's gonna have to do with me. I'm just I'm listening That's the non-attack you way. Okay guys, and you need to start doing it. Otherwise, you'll be immature as Immaturity to attack and try to invalidate a person's opinion instead of just saying why you disagree and admitting that different people Just play and have different opinions is a very immature attitude And I really hope no one thinks I'm trying to stir anything up here But it can also kind of make a person look insecure to simply state your opinion is to be confident in your opinion To be I don't know man. I think it's a little insecure to when somebody is criticizing your view to be like Oh, no, you've ruined the discussion. I'm out. I'm gone Like how is that like saying this like to this is like two people coming up to each other and one says, you know what? I'm the best wrestler around and the other guy says, you know what? I think I'm the best wrestler around and you're like, okay You want to you want to you want to have a you want to wrestle you want to find out who's the best wrestler in town? Yeah, I want to find out who's the best wrestler in town It's like what part of that? Isn't You know, no confidence each one is insanely confident to the point that they're willing to go after the other and prove Funnily enough, he's engaging in what he just criticized He's just assumed the uh the personal like sort of perspective because we can have multiple motivations to challenge an opinion, right? If I love yes, but yeah, yeah, well, I was gonna say he's he's not wrong in that There's a potential for if if bringing rips into something I really love and I immediately go Well, no, it's good and I'm just personally attached and I can't even consider hearing criticism for it. I'm insecure. That's fine That's one another reason could be oh, that's really interesting for me Like um, well, so this is what I think about it and then for me. He's like, no, you can't criticize my opinions Like who's the insecure one now? um There's so many different reasons this can happen He's just assumed that you be it'll be evidence of your insecurity if you were to challenge an opinion It's like you're talking to a lot of things He's a toxified mind conversation. He's toxified it stop him arrest him. It's an argument now Well, he's assumed close-mindedness immaturity and um insecurity. Yeah So this is Wow, I didn't we didn't cast this the first time we watched this video Yeah, because we were pausing every frame which tells you a lot about a script when you do it For an opinions is a very immature attitude And I really hope no one thinks I'm trying to stir anything up here, but it can also look insecure I'll I'll just replay just plain have different opinions is a very immature attitude And I really hope no one thinks I'm trying to stir anything up here But it can also kind of make a person look insecure to simply state your opinion is to be confident in your opinion To be so uncomfortable with opposing opinions that you have to come up with reasons why they're actually wrong Not really. Why does he frame it like you're inventing? So that's You're so uncomfortable with other ideas. You are engaging with them instead You know gala layers. They're like earth is circle. It's like wow, how insecure are you man? Ever we just think it's flat god And you've got to come up here and prove that it's not. Wow. Geez. It's cure much immature much gone gala layer grow up Oh, this is so backwards. How do you say this and not be like, oh wait? No, that's done what I said That doesn't make any sense at all I said the opposite of what's true And the whole it takes like, you know security to be able to just declare your opinions like no You could just be an idiot. You could be obnoxious. A lot of people can just say stuff You know, it doesn't have to be indicative of their personality being one of confidence and security You could just be like Wow, that thing's shit. And then you go is it and then they go, uh, I don't know. I just You know, fuck it. No, I I don't know. I just thought something just leave me alone Like okay if anything me in many instances when I hear something that is just so incorrect I'm kind of like affronted because I admire truth I want truth and stuff and so my desire to Generally correct people and stuff isn't out of insecurity or anything like that It's uh because I appreciate facts and stuff. I mean he is assuming that um, Yeah, the whole insecure thing is you're absolutely right more. He is assuming people to be insecure who challenge other people's opinions Whoops, it's like it's totally backwards. Yeah. Yeah He'd fold on this in a second if he was confident I think yeah, I don't think anybody would actually maintain all the things that he said Because there's a lot of stuff in here that would just cancel himself out See, I wouldn't say he's universally wrong. I do know of people who get very Uh, easily aggressive when they're challenged in their opinions and sometimes I feel it's a result of them being insecure in those views But I could apply that universally to everyone who gets upset when their opinions are challenged Yeah, I I would say that the majority of I would say that the more majority of truly insecure people would definitely stray Far away from really going on the affirmative And engaging in these discussions and going out and looking to just uh, just prove other people Yep, usually confident people go in the offensive. Oh, yeah You mean they attack people, right? What do you mean? No, oh yeah All right, let's let's continue Then in your opinion to be so uncomfortable with opposing opinions that you have to come up with reasons why they're actually wrong Not really the mark of a confident person say you build your house in the hills And your neighbor builds their house in the trees a confident person simply says I prefer living in the hills Is an allergy Here's a better analogy. So let's go to the good old house on sand and house on rocks So you built your house on rocks your neighbor's built on sand and you're like dude Are you sure that that's like I'm worried that that's gonna fall down Just be secure in the fact your house is on rocks don't worry about my sand house And I say this knowing the irony by the way I was gonna say to steel man him Even though I'm not really doing this I have an issue with this argument It'd be like you know you both got a hot dog you choose a different topping or sauce like someone goes Oh, what's wrong with that? You like I don't give a shit what you think I like the taste of this stuff It's like yeah, you know The choosing the house debate is like but there are actually there's a lot that goes into choosing a house Yeah, the hot dogs way more subjective than the you know house foundations. Why did you choose a house? I like the idea of you got two guys one of them is like hey what toppings you want on hot dog Oh, just get some muscle the other ones like I want some cyanide and then you're like are you worried that you got a like Dye for meeting that it's like man jeez. How it's a cure you're All this foam just starts coming out it's like I don't know about you man, but this is great Yeah, let's let's hear out the whole analogy that I don't know why he's gone with this one I feel like there's so many Person say you build your house in the hills and your neighbor builds their house in the trees a confident person simply says I prefer living in the hills a confident person does not then go to their neighbor's house in the trees and try to tear it down No, no Yeah, a confident person says the tree is the best place to build a house and here's why yeah a confident person says The hills are the best place to build a house and here's why I love that he's turned Like to combat an opinion that you think is invalid is the same as tearing down somebody's house Take that analogy imply it to people it would be Someone has an opposing opinion and I go and try and kill them Yeah, it's pretty much. Yeah Like that that that's the yeah, you know equivalent to people in terms of tearing it down Like he's just in his opinion as a like his temple or something and we're destroying it like don't be so attached I like the idea of somebody building a house out of sand and like you know It gets really windy and it starts blowing everywhere and you're like, mate. What's the deal like why? As the house just evaporates surround them What what in the world are you thinking with that one a confident person does not then go to their neighbor's house in the trees and try to tear it down I say all this because of a lot of the debate surrounding the links awakening really weird. I know I'm seeing on Twitter especially a Confident person might go to the person the tree and say, you know There's a lot of inherent dangers for building in a tree Yeah, you might want to build on a mountain instead just just trying to help you out Just and then they throw the tree fruits at you and say get the hell out of here You insecure piece of shit. You're attacking me For the equivalent of you trying to tear down my tree. You physically assaulted my tree very bad analogy What what a strange one? Yeah, yeah, I can't get over how adorable this game works. I know Which is where we get into that now I think which I remember me and Fringy took most issue with that bit or at least a lot of it So here we go if we're getting to that point like you said is this whole preamble here Is it just to solve to set the scene of oh don't don't attack what I think because you're insecure and immature if you do I if you'd made his video entirely on the idea of it's weird how when someone's positive and someone criticizes that positive take A lot of people like hey leave him alone. There's just a take However, if someone's negative and someone criticizes the negative take not many people step into defense It almost seems hypocritical if that was his only point and then he moves into saying I've experienced this a lot Because I don't like the way the new game looks. It's not it doesn't work for me. I find it distracting I find it weird I guess I associate a lot with how Delta used to look or does typically look and this this is just pulling me right out And a lot of people are ripping into me for that. I'd be like this video is fine That'd be an interesting one actually Yeah, that would be an interesting discussion to have because like really tell tell me about that. I'm that's unusual Yeah, but he's kind of ruined it actually by doing this I tear it down I say all this because of a lot of the debate surrounding the links awakening remake that I've been seeing on Twitter especially I've seen plenty of people respectfully stating their opinions that they don't like the art style But you know what's been at the forefront the tweets They get all the likes and the retweets and are all over my timeline ones that are like the people who don't like links awakenings art style Or blah blah blah anyone who doesn't like how this looks was probably blah blah blah Yeah, no, they're jokes. Well, I mean even if they weren't if we're gonna treat them entirely seriously I wouldn't recommend. Yeah, don't take these seriously. They're bullshit Yeah, they're obviously yeah, they can't know what every single person is unanimously thinking. That's ridiculous Sounds like typical Twitter hyperbole. Yeah, and obviously he's created like caricatures of them, but still I mean they do exist anyone who thinks Ray's and Mary Sue is you know, it doesn't like yeah Not naming names here and I adore most of the people that made those tweets That's that's why I follow them in the first place not trying to call them out Just I hope he applies that same if he watched this. I hope he applies that same sort of Generosity super meta here and actually repurpose his initial arguments against him now as in the very Structure of telling someone that the way they're criticizing somebody isn't the right way to do it because they're like directly Contradicting what they feel or think is the right thing at the time Aren't you doing this to them about that subject? Isn't that technically what's happening and you might be like well This is different because we're talking about the actual structure of it and I just be like, oh, well, that's interesting That works if you follow that structure, then That's saying that you're wrong. Yeah, like you shouldn't he shouldn't be doing this right because he's technically well We're already accused of doing that already because he has the the insecure immature was the third one Close-minded. Yeah, like he's already gone further than he needs. He's crossed that line well long ago The people that made those tweets that's that's why I follow them in the first also for the record It's his line like I'm fine with people crossing that line What I typically say is like if you're gonna throw an insult criticism That's a little bit more personal just be right as long as you're like on point It doesn't bother me as much but like when you're so overconfident that you rip into someone personally and you were wrong the whole times It's like, oh gosh, that's embarrassing but um, yeah, like I try not to take insults like that into account at all and Because a lot of time they can be jokes a lot of time They can fluff up the thing but ultimately they're not even really important Yeah, one could just be frustrated it happens Place not trying to call them out just saying I take slight issue with that way of putting forth an opinion or rather Invalidating a different opinion a lot of people are saying this is the Wind Waker situation all over again And I can agree slightly, but I do think there are a lot of differences when Nintendo first revealed Wind Waker I was one of the many people who were put off by the cartoony new art style as more trailers came out I got over my apprehensions and of course went up Sorry The interesting total clip of him was he supposed to catch that thingy and he just kept rolling around it. Oh, right like yeah Weird choice. I guess yeah, generally the gameplay that I put my videos is like not me fucking up over and over That's me totally superficial, but it's just yeah, it's a part of the process. Nonetheless Yeah, it's the choice to have that particular clip Came out I got over my apprehensions though And of course went on to love the absolute spaghetti sauce out of the game as many others did as well Especially as it's aged people have come to really appreciate these simple yet fun Colorful and uniquely beautiful visuals and when you think about it as an evolution of the previous Wrong footage though, that's the 3d 3ds remake which looks better the original one kind of doesn't look very good anymore very blocky Yeah As an evolution of the previously realistic 3d zeldas It's kind of jarring but as an evolution of the original zeldas If Wind Waker were the very first 3d zeldas, I think the initial reception would have been much more positive Context is very important with these things. It's technically not wait So context is appropriate for why people like feel that way, but not the arguments themselves Like the context like not necessarily right Like when it came out is what I think he's trying to say, you know Wind Waker came out at this time, which is why I'm not this way I'm not a huge fan of this appeal anyway. So he's like It came at a time where it would be less abrasive in terms of a change of style And I'm just like so it you're not really talking about the style itself Just whether or not people would be ready for it Which is yeah, or whether or not because it was the first of its kind And it was a new thing people are more willing to accept that being part of its difference And yeah, like whether or not people were ready to like it or not ready to like it I'm just like, okay, but that's not that interesting to me. I'm sure yeah It's it's it's like a lot of other like if a franchise has a spin-off People are more willing to forgive it for being different because it's a a spin-off. It's a it's a new thing that it's trying Well that some people dislike links awakenings art style now But we'll end up coming around and absolutely loving it in that way It is a little similar to the Wind Waker thing You've got an upcoming Zelda game with a pretty distinct and very colorful almost cutesy visual style And some people don't like it But I do feel like the two situations differ by quite a lot and the big reason is again Context when Wind Waker was revealed 3d console gaming was still relatively young Most of us had spent years playing games with 2d sprites And those older games were most often cartoony because cartoony characters just looked better when rendered in pixels on small screens It was a better choice for the I mean, I'm not sure that that's even really true Again, he's like we were more ready for cartoons. I was like, what are you doing, man? How good can you make Zelda look when you only have an objectively smaller amount of pixels? But realism then Hmm most most video games back then were cartoony. I mean, I Guess like maybe but I don't know if I'd say Yeah, you know Mortal Kombat was like made from pics Yeah, the actual photographs met right our streets of rage There's a whole bunch of games that tried to sort of push for a little bit more realistic I mean, it's not and also the whole thing of like all most of us played 2d games at the time It's like I don't know I would have I was a You know, I was like seven or eight when a Wind Waker came out So I'd mostly with playing 3d games by then so that was so what does that mean? Does that mean like oh, I was more ready for it That's such a weird thing Style of Wind Waker totally turned me off. I got into like Zelda Ocarina of Time and stuff Yeah That looks crap, and I didn't even you know have an interest in it That was just my reaction and yeah an example of affecting my judgment of it just to clear it up with Theo is objectively smaller number of pixels objectively inferior if the goal is to create a realistic image. I Would say yes it is. Yeah, I mean less detail means less detail Yeah, not necessarily though because you could have like a shit ton more pixels and less detail depending on what developer does with them You know the developer doesn't like you could have yes, I mean there could be variables, but you could analyze each individual against Yeah, all right Tech that was available when 3d gaming became a thing and games like Zelda were able to be more realistic We saw that as a natural progression of the media There are a lot of games that weren't realistic at the time Crash Bandicoot Super Mario 64 Yeah, yeah, you're right and you could you could I was gonna say couldn't someone make the argument like I didn't like the first Realistic one because Zelda's always been cartoony Yeah, well, of course you could I think that he would agree that someone could what I'm saying is like This is almost nonsense data like I don't care Why do we anyone kid someone anyone can make any reason they want for not liking whether or not it's a cartoon But whatever time that's like yeah, yeah, I'm looking for something more There's were finally able to depict their characters in the ways they envisioned rather than with simplistic little pixely blobs Mario ate mushrooms and jumped on turtles So it made sense that his first 3d game was cartoony and that he remained cartoony after that But when ocarina of time came out it was like yeah, this makes sense. This is right for zelda By that it was all right More right. I mean, it's a kid's game still I mean a kid's game It's more like an every one game, but you know, they expect kids to play zelda You could easily have gone down the tune route with with zelda's I mean, a lot of their games are sort of cartoony and so shaded like in fact I think the majority of zelda games are cartoony and so shaded I'll take he's actually unhandheld. I mean, oh, yes I would call ocarina of time cartoony still because yeah, it's still it's still not realistic. It's still got exaggerated proportions It's more like a warcrafty. I mean, so it doesn't look like warcraft, but it's more like a warcraft sort of um Interpretation right where it's like things are sort of more stylized and you know a little bit unrealistic And there's nothing wrong with that like it's fine And if we're talking about his criteria here Then is super mario galaxies mario more cartoony than Super mario world on the Game Boy cartoony like how do you how how are you more? How's one of those more cartoony than the other? Was what standard are you using this is a very loose criteria right more or less? Yeah, super loose. I don't think you could ever fully properly define what you mean by this So what is he actually trying to say here? Is he trying to say I'm criticizing the different art styles is No point and it's invalid because what he's what he's trying to do is he's trying to draw a distinct because the issue is if this game Is like win waker then he's wrong because win waker kind of proved people wrong that the art style was really good He needs to what are you sort of? Yeah, so what he's doing is um, he's trying to say well you got to consider the context right when waker came out People weren't used to cartoony 3d games because we had ocarina which made more sense And so when win waker came out people were apprehensive and then he's gonna make a different argument Yeah, like he's gonna say people are wrong about wind waker for this reason. They're right about this new game for this reason That's pretty much one of the arguments I know that he makes is there are a lot of cartoony games now Like Overwatch and and you know stuff like that. So it's not that innovative. It's like a okay Like that's that's irrelevant like that's not And I think a lot of this is content related because he framed the Mario games as he eats mushroom on goombas So that's like sillier than what the legend is Zelda has so Mario is far more justified in continuing to be more and more cartoony because of it Which is a very narrow-minded view of cartoons, man. Absolutely Which is silly and kid-friendly. Let's let's talk about what happens in Rick and Morty in terms of like thematic lessons or The nudity and then without mentioning anything about this art style What kind of TV show it is and I go guess and then he says was probably a realistic TV show maybe I'm like no It's a cartoon rip Yeah After that but when ocarina of time came out It was like yeah, this makes sense. This is right for Zelda. It's a more mature series You're killing monsters with a sword. You're solving puzzles. There's a little more to it Then Majora's mind you're as opposed to Mario where you're killing turtles by bludgeoning them to death with you Also, he said there's a little more to it. I feel like there's a wall that's about to erupt between Mario and Zelda fans That's a funny statement a little more to it. What do you mean by that? Yeah, this definitely was like wait explain that and Is that how games work the more it has to it the more realistic it should be Yeah, that's another weird assumption too. Yeah There's a little more to it Then Majora's mask with its even darker tones seem to solidify the idea that as graphical capabilities improved Zelda would naturally become more Realistic and by extension awesome looking that was why the Wind Waker reveal was so jarring at the time It was hard to see it as a group of artists simply making art the way they wanted to make it all the Zelda guys had all sorts of reasons For going with that style, but to a lot of us it felt like a step backward We didn't understand why they would want to make Zelda look like a cartoon. We couldn't see how so Can you not apply this argument to Link's awakening? They have a lot of reasons, but you just can't understand it You can't anything I was gonna say this is Like this can go into a lot of different places And again like we always doing is answering why these people may have felt this way, and I'm just like alright fine Fine doesn't really get on with it. I get it fine It's possible that people felt this way because of these things. Okay. They didn't really think it through that much It's what I would probably criticize them for Yeah, I mean I was I was a young kid So as most I have no idea what I just felt away and that was that and I never looked any further into It I was like oh Wind Waker this looks oh a thing like I don't like I don't there's no way I'd be able to elaborate why At that I wouldn't be able to when I was that young. Yeah, I would just like instant and first impressions It's like oh, I like how this cartoon is and I think is I I probably would have liked it when I was a kid I didn't play it when I was a kid, but I probably would have liked it. I was about the right age Well being the old man here So I was old enough when Wind Waker was really tonight. I said I didn't like the cartoon style and it comes down to What you are what is perceived to be established as the kind of Stats quo of the series almost like what is what it goes down to what do you define a series to be and probably the best analogy I could reference here is the whole spider-man debates. We've had you know, what is a good spider-man movie? What are we what are the core characteristics that help define it to be that right? And so in my time the core characteristics of what I was kind of perceiving to be Zelda was, you know more kind of Realistically depicted, you know in game in the sense of what the graphics are capable of and so when I go to the Wind Waker thing I was just like what that looks crap other thing and at what point do you deviate so far away from something else that I mean it It's like it's a it's a matter of keeping up tradition is kind of a way of describing One game going to the sequel going to sequel or to the next thing certainly with You get with like Final Fantasy games with Zelda games. There are similarities between a lot of them And if you go too far away from that to the point where You're just like what um like for those of us who played Final Fantasy 1 and 2 and 4 and 5 and 7 and all those games What what did Final Fantasy the spirits within like it? How did you like how do you how do you connect all these, you know Final Fantasy? How is this a like what? You know and that'll throw people for a loop But the thing is in the case of Wind Waker it's still structurally very similar to the other games Yeah, like from a gameplay perspective. It's kind of you can tell that it's a Zelda game So it's just Bombs it's just the graphics and and then you compare it to like Breath of the Wild Which has a lot more difference between that and a lot of the other Zelda games in terms of structure and all that and yet It's still a Zelda game. Well, yeah, this is very loose Well, that's what I mean It seems like the definition of what is a Zelda game is a far more kind of loose Adaptive thing than what many people perceive as what is required to make a good Spider-Man movie. Yeah, I would I would agree with that I think I think that Zelda is quite diverse as a series. It's actually very diverse and maybe this is retroactively looking at it But I mean there have been so many different types of Zelda games at this point But like I don't mind that this is true that someone makes the assumption that hey This isn't what Zelda is that's what this is and then they don't like it for that reason. That's fine It's just so long on this and a lot of his reasoning is a little shaky in terms of like yeah, I don't You're not gonna be the one to say like if there are more If you do both if there are more mechanics, it should be more realistic graphics. You'd be like, I don't think so And also like even with Spider-Man, I've said you can try and adapt Original content and stuff like that and if it results in a better version, I'd be all on board with it I'll be sweet right exactly If you want to try and change the graphics of a game to be a very different style to even what I perceived as being Very different and I didn't like it originally if it resulted in a better product. I would be ah sweet I'm all on board with it and so it's all about the end quality that helps determine it in my mind at least Yeah, that's funny to think though the more mechanically Extensive it is the more realistic it has to be he's like laughs in civilization for How such a style could fit the series even though we soon learned it most certainly could but the link's awakening remake is coming at a Very different time in gaming history We are absolutely used to colorful cartoony visuals in our Zelda games and in fact our games in general It's no longer a new concept. Well, I guess sure. Yeah I'm gonna just let that go. So I'm really curious what his count is gonna be like where he's going. Yeah, sure in our Zelda games And in fact our games in general, it's no longer a new concept that scares us Every single quote-unquote 2d Zelda has been colorful and cartoony and everyone seems to be fine with that No one was looking for gritty realistic graphics and link between worlds despite the fact that we all knew The 3ds was capable of such a thing ocarina of time and Majora's mask were on the system yet when I knew to sorry It had to buffer for me for a second. Where are you guys? 806 yeah, yeah I'm at 804 so we got about a two-second gap now. So back a bit everyone at 754 Yeah, to be fine with that Yep, no one was looking for gritty realistic graphics and link between worlds despite the fact that we all knew the 3ds Was capable of such a thing ocarina of time and Majora's mask were on the system yet when I knew 2d Zelda came along Nobody seemed to mind that it looked the way it did and look at the rest of the gaming landscape to the whole graphics race back in Gens 5 and 6 where the best games were the ones that looked the most realistic That's not as much of a thing anymore, especially if you're into indie games You're probably playing and I would disagree with his assertion that the best games are the ones with the best graphics It's like I think he was saying that that was the climate of those to claim an attitude and I mean that race is still going Yeah, definitely still going. I mean People talk about Determine a game's quality Yeah, it's not the whole thing that's my point Yeah, some people would blame that and then there was a lot of talk about that that like a lot of people be like What's better the ps3 or the xbox 360 and one of the arguments would be there's better graphics on the ps3 to be like I don't know that maybe we should think about a lot of things not just that But the graphics has always been this thing that like will be used in marketing like this day Oh, look at look at the marketing for the ps4 before the Xbox one x came out the most powerful console And now the Xbox one it'll change everything for any you'll see Yeah, I've seen the ad for minecraft in 4k and I was like minecraft in 4k. I mean Okay But my point is yeah Even back then if a game came out with the best graphics ever if the gameplay was still crap I wouldn't yeah good game. I would still be a crap game. Yeah I think Nintendo has been getting away with it forever with the most graphically intensive consoles Yeah, yeah, the Nintendo never cared to be the most graphically Advanced of everything. They're just like now. We just we haven't fun We're just making good games a large list of good games that stand apart from the staggering list What do you consider all the IPs on the Nintendo? Oh, yeah, boss. It's a massive Massive is it? I see where the games with a lot of different styles many of which are cartoony and fun Heck some of the most popular shooters in the world right now are basically cartoons gritty realism is less important now Then it's been in ages. We are more open to different artistic styles than we have been in ages I mean, this is more of a nitpick, but I was always open to it But maybe maybe he's right. Maybe everybody is more open now than they were before but I'm just like, okay So to say that people dislike Link's awakenings look because it's colorful or whatever is simply wrong people aren't going What a simple colorful 2D Zelda game unheard of no, like I said, there are specific and in my opinion No, come on the reasons are that other games have cartoony graphics. That's a fucking stupid reason And also the game is that someone else is wrong. Yeah, he did rip the first couple. I was actually yeah We're gonna play that rip his preamble and he threw it and in my opinion Is it the first time in this video? He's done that or is that? Uh, I think he might have yeah first song. It was funny. I I mentioned my Issues with the id by opinion thing. I did rottick's channel last night or the night before and Like a half hour later He was describing something that he said it by opinion. I well, yeah in my and I was like, it's fine It's okay Uh, just the most of the time people are using it as a please leave me alone preamble And um, I just it's it's mostly unnecessary. Just leave it out. You don't need it Um, most of the time the language should even this is funny It's like me and joseph aniston line up on this but for different reasons He's like everything you say is subjective and I'm like, no your words will define whether or not what you said was Objective or subjective. You don't need in my opinion and in my opinion doesn't even work If I say in my opinion ryan reynolds does not star in deadpool. You're like, I don't care that you put in my opinion on there You're just wrong So you're like I feel like the it's it's almost a word that we should just get rid of because no one's using it Fucking right anymore and to use it right would it wouldn't be needed um And I also advocate for just uh say what you mean instead With that word so whatever you're using opinion as a cover for and in my opinion It typically would be used as a judgment Uh, rather than feelings. I don't typically but you know, it could be and so that's for me and it's just like whoever else is using it just uh I guess you could I'm trying to think of like a sentence to explain this best but like, you know I felt uh scared by paranormal activity You wouldn't you don't need to convert that statement into in my opinion paranormal activity is scary You should be like I found a scary if you Yeah, but if you said I have judged this movie to be scary That carries this weight with it that kind of implies that you have you found it a certain way because you've judged it You have looked at it. You have found things that have led you to conclusions that you could call upon Judgment seems like the objective version of the word. Oh, yeah And then the other conclusion is that when you say that someone's judgment is faulty Um, or it's a strong judgment Uh, people are much more I think ready to hear that than your your opinion is faulty because they're like, ah, how could you How could you say that that's wrong? You can't have opinion is defined as something that can't be falsified You're like, oh it is Oh, wait if it can't be falsified then it's almost Yeah, worthless Yeah, can we reply to the whole thing that you just said that? We can just so Killer shooters in the world right now are basically cartoons gritty realism is less important now than it's been in ages We are more open to different artistic styles than we have been in ages So to say that people dislike links awakenings look because it's colorful or whatever is simply wrong people aren't so yet That's not cool, dude There's gotta be one guy out there who's like no that is what I think He just did attack them like from the beginning of this video saying saying someone's opinion is wrong is an attack And then you should discuss it and you shouldn't just say You know that is wrong just like he's just broken his own rules anyway when you did that so Yes, um, and you could be like, oh he could be here right now. He's like, oh come on No one actually does think that I'd be like are you sure? There probably is at least one person who's like i'm sick of cartoon Yeah, I think it's it's downright reasonable. I could be like it's way too colorful and vibrant like absolutely I feel like throwing up looking at it and you're like, okay All right Sure. Yeah, that's the thing that would be like. Yeah, I can understand how that can happen. So I don't think you're lying to me. So, yeah Going what a simple colorful 2d Zelda game unheard of no like I said there are specific and in my opinion Reasonable reasons to dislike it that extend far beyond the simple No, no, no because your arguments so far have been there are there are lots of games of the cartoony So that seems to be relevant for his hand in the cookie jar. He just said reasonable reasons meaning there's such a thing as unreasonable reasons Oh Oh god him But molla, how could we know that reason is reasonable? Well, um, I'd like to discuss that with you. He's like you'd like to attack me like no No, I can't stand this attack To dislike it that extend far beyond the simple It's something different and people don't like things that are different Which has been somewhat true at some points in history Sometimes drastic change can scare people But it's also just a lazy argument and it completely dismisses all legitimate criticism as people just being neophobic To always play the people just hate new things card is to suggest that new things are literally immune to criticism And no one's allowed to dislike them, which is just ridiculous What's different? No, no, that's there's a difference between Yeah, there's a difference between people not liking things because they're new in the criticism of each individual new thing Yeah, because he just missed he like took the point and read Extrapolate it into a different thing like if someone has an actual thing like I hate change And then I'm like you don't like this because you hate change and then they go. Oh, so everything that's new can't be criticized I'd be like, where did you get that from? Man, how much did we get that with TLJ? You just don't like it's new. It's something new. You just don't like it because it's new Like no, we don't like it because it's shit. Well now that doesn't work because we like Mandalorian to get fucked I was gonna say like, yeah, okay, we don't like that add force away because add solo add Probably rise of skywalker. Uh, I'd be like, fuck We only like Mandalorian because as a male Did you did you hear about that? Anita said that she she was shocked to see there was no man in episode one I mean women females with voice lines, even though the yamera was She's in charge of the Mandalorian camp A woman in power it would it would appear And uh, you don't hear neophobic use too much Not a not a word you hear often So, you know There you go Play the people just hate new things card is to suggest that new things are literally immune to criticism And no one's allowed to dislike them, which is just ridiculous and moving forward just so you're not left guessing It looks so good It does I'm not saying that I hate the style though. I will say I'm skeptical that it was the best choice for the reasons I'm about to go over. I think the game looks really nice in its own way And I will very much enjoy it But I just feel like I might have enjoyed the style a little more if they'd gone with something different So I'm kind of on the fence and I very much Oh, that's such a like non-committal dull thing to say who's gonna disagree with that. Yeah, like I'm I'm skeptical that this was the best way Yeah, sure. It's possible. There's a better one the way. I'm not sure if I'll Yeah, I'm not sure if there would be something better. You say no, this is the best way and who's gonna say that Yes, that's like how does he even mean by the best way? What does he mean the best way? What does that mean? Well, he's weighing it as he's judging it to judge this as the best compared to every Possible alternative that could ever be made. No reasonable person is going to say that No Which is why yeah so far we're not going to be able to challenge him on that stuff. This is like, yeah, okay Okay, he haven't said really anything yet, but okay, so I'm kind of on the fence and I very much understand where the criticism is coming from Let's get right to it though I think you can probably boil all this disagreement down to one aspect of the game's style It's not that it looks colorful or cartoony, but that it looks like it's made out of toys A lot of the objects have this plasticky sheen and there's a depth of field effect that elicits the feel of macro photography Octopath Traveler is another recent game that use this effect heavily to make the world look like a little paper diagram or something Now the depth of field thing i'm all right with a lot of people seem to be pretty annoyed by it But I think it's a nice little effect. My problem is with the whole plastic thing. No, I I This thing again, this is a very subjective opinion. Yes. This is the peak of subjectivity. It's like, all right Oh, yeah, I like the glossy waxy kind of look to everything. I think it's nifty. I think it the It makes everything seem Vibrant and shiny like they're it's very well lit It makes it look like uh, it gives it a sort of meta feel, you know, it feels like it's uh a kid's play set Yeah, it's like a big board game It actually makes it look like it's real in the sense that it's made from plastic and not a computer You know cgi image But I mean it is perfectly Allowed to dislike that Yeah, exactly going to try and start like put forward that his view is More correct than others. He's gonna he's gonna give his reasons for it is what's probably gonna happen. I think I think he gives his reasons All right, then other nintendo games have employed this effect and I've never been a huge fan of it It looks attractive in a certain raw horsepower Uh, what? It it looks attractive in a raw horse. So is he is he talking about um, like we're talking like pixel polygon graphical fidelity Effects on screen kind of way are like like where you could say yeah, there there's more raw horsepower graphically in the order 1886 Then there is in you know, uh You know stardew valley. He's like sure. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, okay Does that make it better? Mm-hmm Um I didn't say meta text. Did I say meta textual? I thought you did. I don't think so I'm going to choose to say this is from an anonymous author Uh, but they they they just matched it the the discord. I just I just find this funny So set about the the podcast obviously um Why am I not surprised efap is a disgusting cesspool their panel are intellectual cowards without consistent principles on freedom of speech I tire of their pretension. They've become a meme Have we had inconsistent principles on freedom of speech? Possibly. I'm not aware of them though Because we're pretty we're pretty as far as I know. We're pretty much all in the freedom of speech is uh double plus good Triple plus you might even say Except with pineapple on pizza that's where I draw. Oh, yeah, we gotta draw the line somewhere. We're not barbarians How else can you have a civilization? You gotta you gotta stop making rules But if they are taking sarcasm like that literally Wow, then I'm not gonna worry too much about them. I mean I The only thing you could say about that is I mean each individual person might have you know, how far is their extreme You know, where how far how far do they go? But I think for the purposes of where it will pop up in conversation for the vast majority of times. Yeah, we're all pretty consistent on it That's just what a liar would say No, yeah, that's me a troll. You would hope so you would hope so I mean Maybe yes, let's hope I'm gonna hope sure thing other Nintendo games have employed this effect And I've never been a huge fan of it It looks attractive in a certain raw horsepower sort of way But it doesn't actually make a lot of sense for skin or cloth or whatever to look like plastic Unless it's actually supposed to be Link's awakening looks much more like it's okay What does it make sense to look like this? Unless it's supposed to well, I think it's supposed to look like this. So Yeah, it's interesting where he gets that base opinion that it doesn't make sense for it to look that way when There's it's not too hard to think of many reasons why it would make sense for them to make it look that way Maybe they want to sell toys and they want it to look as close to the twist as possible That's one Like we already mentioned that it makes it looks more realistic like it's actually made out of plastic He was the one who even said that and that makes it pop a bit more as a result. I think that's another reason It could just be a matter of this is the artistic vision that they had in their head This is what they created and they liked it and they try it. You're like, let's make link Let's make this and they made all these assets and they really like this aesthetic And so they have kind of did everything else to kind of match together in the same style and They got the finished product and they're like, wow, this is really pretty much what I was going for. I really think this looks great He's like how skin and cloth wouldn't look like this and I'm like, but they would if they were plastic right Yeah, and it's perfectly justified in not liking the look but now it's gone a step further just Yes, you crossed a line into a different conversation now So now we get to actually respond instead of you'd like Link's hair doesn't really look like hair. It's like it didn't when it was three pixels on a gameboy either Yeah, we could this is what I mean. This is not going to lead into a good place. This is weird It doesn't actually make a lot of sense for skin or cloth or whatever to look like plastic unless it's I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at these uh, these princess peaches here. Is like that doesn't I don't know. It's uh now like the real thing not gonna lie. So Actually supposed to be links awakening looks much more like it's going for the whole plastic toy effect than most other games Especially when combined with the depth of field thing and I've got a number of problems with this One problem is that the whole made of real material thing is approaching Really overdone territory as far as I can see it started with Kirby's So the argument is that it's being done too much It's being done in our four games. I think no, I don't know that I like that argument. Yeah, I don't like it either. I don't either the quantity of something doesn't determine if it's good or bad I mean like it might make him tired of seeing it But that's an individual thing. He can't then impose that perspective on everyone else that would see it too much It would explain there's perhaps why someone is liking it less. It's like, oh, this is all over the place We'd be like, okay, but that's not a flaw Because the things that I can think of are like string Kirby Paper Mario That's um, yeah, there's a couple because there's a little bit on Well, we can we can compare this pretty easily a lot of people say now. It's like, oh, I'm so tired of marvel films There's just so many marvel they're often gonna actually concede. It's like they're not even that bad I just this just so may I'm just so tired of marvel films Which is fine And if that is the argument, that's fine But you can't go further than just being like advocating for personal preference there because some guy might be like I want a hundred more marvel films not enough And the box office certainly doesn't seem to No, they could keep going There's a good comment in chat. I like you're being a tryhard is not a good art. It's like, yeah Eight of real material thing is approaching really overdone territory as far as I can see it started with Kirby's epic Yarn, but then within just the last few years Kirby also went full on clay Paper Mario perfected the realistic papercraft aesthetic Yoshi had a whole game made of yarn. This seems awesome though We've got all these different Yeah I'm not like I would rather have him showing yarn cotton Plastic clay this all these ones. I'm just like, oh man. This is so cool. We have all of these Mm-hmm And now he's basically getting the color splash treatment mixed with a whole bunch of crafts made from real world stuff In my opinion, the novelty is wearing thin plus. I think those styles fit the lights I don't it's not for me. So I'm tired of realistic graphics. I want more cartoon stuff I played this game and they just had like real-ass people depicted and in my opinion, that's enough for me She'd be like, okay Yep, that is your opinion. Yeah, like I'm not gonna challenge that. I just yeah. All right That's how you feel discard it and move along. Yeah, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it All that it's inferior game as a result of that opinion is Subject it even Mario better than they do Zelda Zelda isn't generally super serious or anything But I think there's a depth of adventure and creativity there that just doesn't really fit with the whole Everything's made of real stuff. That's pretty creative though. You said that's not sense creativity And that's very creative. That's nonsense. This is just the most This is like the opinion of most opinionist of the opinions But what are you doing? This is nonsense. Like the roll that back like he's he's saying that like To have realistic exploring doesn't lend itself to like the plastic feel. What do you mean? I need to hear this again better than the story Zelda isn't generally super serious or anything But I think there's a depth of adventure and creativity there that just doesn't really fit with the whole Everything's made of real stuff theme. Why? That's just a statement without any I guess Yeah, uh evidence to back it up a depth and exploration be lost when you're going into realism Have you ever explored a forest in real life? Like you can do it isn't a plastic forest I mean why you could say the exact same thing about everything is like I don't know if the uh, I don't know if the adventurous nature of each Mario game lends itself to a Like like a pixel style, you know construction or a or whatever you want to call it like this Like why why is it not and how do you justify things like yeah, but what about toy story too where Toys are literally made out of plastic going on an adventure like I don't This is really really weird. This is I think you can have an adventure with depth and Basically any format like a depiction of media like you'll you'll be fine. You can do it in text adventures Do you mean well yeah the implication seems to be that it has less depth because it's less realistic, which is bizarre Maybe he's gonna qualify it I wonder if he actually doesn't mean what he's saying is just expressing himself really poorly Could be the the the theme saying It is the adventure doesn't lend itself like what is what does that mean the adventure doesn't like it's very strange thing to say so Maybe didn't even maybe there that just doesn't really fit with the whole Everything's made of real stuff theme in my eyes zelda games really do take place in some other universe And I don't want them even touching the real world beyond small innocuous references So the idea that it could be in a different world made of plastic That's just not a thing for you. Is is he saying that this is more realistic? Apparently yeah, like I mean I suppose in a way because of like dimensions and stuff Like shadows things like that. Yeah sure those exist in the real world But that's probably about as far as I'd take it if we're gonna define that this is kind of like a board game kind of like Plastic toys. He's like I guess he's saying like yeah, it's almost like this is a thing from our world and I'm like but It's a it's a fully functioning world in its own. It's not like there's there's strings everywhere and stuff But that's what all games are so it really depends on your level of immersion But why can't you just imagine that this is an alternate universe? Everything's made of plastic. That's not the real world Yeah And there's a comment in chat that I like uh jay said Just j not j a y Do we have any knowledge that the original game wouldn't have had these kinds of graphics if they could? But we're limited by the game boy, you know from 1993 Yep That's good. It's a good thought It's a reasonable thing to ask And the answer would be no, of course not Yeah Kirby Yoshi and mario have always had this kind of winking self-referential thing going on and that's great. That's great for them I just wait. What does that mean? What are you referring to? Yeah, I don't know. Yoshi's always had winking self-referential stuff What do you mean by that? Well, not only what does he mean by that, but what is that supporting right now? Yeah, what is that so things that are self-referential make more sense to be Quite non realistic or really I'm not sure. Oh, let's roll that back. I know Yeah, there are two things that don't equate in that the winking Well, I explain how that is even like what what are they doing that has a winking winking self-referential Humor which they might I just didn't see any evidence to say so and then how does that? um equates to Speaking something that's more. I don't know what plastic or real or how the things is defining It's just I like this comment by louis calibre. I'm saying that right um Zelda's graphics and art etc. Have is always changing and it's first four games. It had three different styles It's consistent to change. There's no definitive zelda style graphics or gameplay Not this is just what I mean Yeah, it's just what people attach themselves to in some way perhaps what they think is these all the style He's arguing that this is the first style. He felt that almost takes place in our world versus Think but wasn't he arguing for realistic this whole time? He was that's what I'm getting confused about How that was a thing and then Breath of the wild and what's the other one skyward sword or whatever? Yeah Like how why would you Like could there be a reason why someone would attach themselves or or I think that one of those is particularly more realistic than the rest for whatever reason Is he like uh aiming for like the weird fantasy meaning like he knew that despite being because Lord of the Rings You could argue is like got realism in it, but it's complete fantasy, right? And that's what maybe he thinks of the zelda games and and the plastic one Is like nah, this is this is realistic, but not fantasy. This is like a kid's board game. It's no longer a fantasy world Is that maybe where he's going with this? No, what if he's saying that that looks too much like real plastic and not real people And he wants it to look realistic like real people but not realistic real plastic. Does that make sense? Maybe Maybe he's confusing things like textures with effects so Shadows and post-processing and ambient occlusion things like that and the effects that those can have on the textures and the actual Things that are in the game being acted upon maybe there's a Maybe he's kind of meshing those two together In a way that he Less so that it seems to be very he's almost exclusively focusing on the idea of plastic. That's why I'm trying to figure out if it's the um the plastic of our world And he's like I can't I can't decouple this from that and therefore it's not like a fantasy world It's our world our plastic. It's just a strange because because you could easily change by Keeping the shapes the way that they are but or but just changing the texture and the lighting effects on them It becomes non-plasticy It has this plastic look because it's glossy and waxy and the way it reflects light and stuff like that so Is that is it specifically Not anything to do with shapes or the stylization of objects Or any of the you know effects in terms of lighting or whatnot, but just is a texture-based issue Also someone in charge of contextually this is all in a dream links having apparently it is he uh He like is on a boat and then there's a lightning strike and then he's yeah It's called links awakening because he's asleep. It's a dream That kind of would fuck with his argument too then wouldn't it? Yeah, of course it does because now it's like it's meant to be surreal And you know if you lived in our if you lived in a fantasy world where there was no plastic It would be pretty surreal to live in a plastic world like not to say his argument was strong anyway But if we're gonna be saying um, it's too close to like real life It's like but if it's in the dream of a character couldn't just be anything Yeah, so Real stuff theme in my eyes zelda games really do take place in some other universe Oh 1117 Now you're behind all right This doesn't really fit with the whole 1113 Yes, all right everything's made of real stuff theme in my eyes zelda games really do take place in some other universe And I don't want them even touching the real world beyond small innocuous references and gags Herbie yoshi and mario have always had this kind of winking self-referential thing going on and that's great That's great for them. I just don't think that fits zelda similarly I'm not sure if the style fits the tone of this specific game links awakening is a lighthearted game But I've always felt like it has something of a surreal and uh, well dreamlike quality Interesting Yeah, if he wants the graphics to look a bit surreal and dreamlike is that what he's then saying I mean, what does that mean? It's a little confusing to kind of peg down exactly what he's saying Is he trying to communicate the idea that the image on the left? Is more of that in the image on the right? That's that's I think that's where my brain got stuck I was like wait, which one's more surreal Because he seems to think it's obvious and I'm like, oh uh I don't know man like the original game just looks like a uh What a zelda game would have looked like, you know, if you have a link to the past but on the you know, game boy. I don't know Yeah, because I played the um the game boy version and I played the nintendo ds redo of it and I was like it was nifty to have them both ways, you know, but I don't I This is uh It's hard to get what he's trying to say I'ma roll him back. See if we can see if we can find something. Yeah, it's like I He's trying to tell us what he wants, but I'm still trying to figure out what he wants Oh, she and mario have always had this kind of winking self-referential thing going on and that's great That's great for them. I just don't think that fits zelda. Similarly I'm not sure if the style fits the tone of this specific game links awakening is a lighthearted game But I've always felt like it has something of a surreal and uh Dreamlike quality I can see how the toy angle is their way of tackling the dreamlike tone It sort of sets it apart from other zeldas It makes it feel a little more imaginary a little more like a story It makes sense on paper and I can see the reasoning But I just feel like it's too simple and disarming it feels Simple and disarming And that's again, it just his subjective opinion. I feel like it's as like is there any less simple than the one on the left Oh, I mean it's more detailed than the one on the left for sure far more detailed There's more effect. There are literally effects on the right that do not exist on the left Yeah, like it's more detailed Like a third dimension, which means we have to know what it means by simple. We don't know how he's defining that Yeah, this is a weird one. Yeah, because the one on the right is definitely more complex and then disarming and deniably Is it the is in a plastic world therefore you feel like nothing's really going to hurt you or something? Disarming is uh having the effect of allaying suspicion or hostility especially through charm Yeah, that's what I mean Like he feels safer in in the plastic world and he thinks he shouldn't feel safe in what kind of the game this is Okay, it's not like again. I was just because he's already described the game as like dreamlike and Yeah He's got a clip. They're currently fighting for their life. It's like it's disarming. He's like, okay It's not the best words to describe his views here because Well, the actual words themselves like, you know, dreamlike surreal and what he just recently said wasn't detail or something they're not you know Equaling what is intending to say Is the problem it's too detailed or not enough? Or the fact that it's plastic and the other one is like Almost looks cartoony drawn Does that somehow help? Does it mean I feel like you can just make these arguments in reverse if you really wanted to Like the one on the left is too simple and disarming Yeah, and that would apply Yeah, a story it makes sense on paper and I can see the reasoning But I just feel like it's too simple and disarming It feels like it removes some of that true surrealism and turns it into just another silly kids playing with toys It removes the true surrealism What what what what did the original one have that? May it more true and surreal Yeah, uh, I think this is pretty sneaky. He said that um You can see how they've gone this way for surrealism on paper, but it's not really truly surreal and it's like excuse me Explain to me what truly surreal means Yes Because you've just you've made a claim and you're gonna try to get away with it. You can't I'm pulling you right back to that And I gotta admit like The surreal like how do we even define surreal like just it goes beyond reality, right? It's pretty much the easiest way to put it without looking for an actual definition Something that makes you feel like this is this is not reality. Everything being plastic. That's pretty fucking surreal The proportions I mean and They both look pretty equally surreal and and I just kind of appreciate how the 3d one is reflecting the Portions and style the 2d one so accurately. It's like they're very equivalent Like in there, you know an adaptation is what I'm referring to I mean You could make the argument that the one on the right is far more surreal because it's far more relatable In a way because it is almost like you recognize this but it's not right Yeah, yeah, like this is something that's close enough to reality to where I accept it without question Even though I can tell it's not quite as it should be I mean in that sense I mean the fact that there is there seems to be some kind of atmosphere here Again the shadows and the lighting The it very I would sir and I would say the one on the right is more surreal Well, yeah, because a lot of the time in dreams everything is normal But there's loads of little bits the the the poke out you're like that's insane. What like someone just clips through a wall And you're like How it things should be Yeah And you wake up and you're like man, that was fucking weird But okay, that's How he feels about and this is the thing like I wonder if you would consider what we've just done an attack I'd love to hear him respond to some of this. I'd be like Yeah, let's really get down to it. You've chosen surreal I don't know if you want to stick to it or if you want to say you just chose it because it felt right at the time But you sure explore it with us. Here we go. That's nothing Is his idea of a response not at all addressing what we say but just doubling down on what he says or only Just talking about what he thinks about more because if he wants to be consistent He can't actually go after what we're saying There's an interesting comment in chat where someone laughs and says Is this a video he made with an idea he had in mind lost it and then just kept going for ad revenue I think You know like uh when you get down to a specific detail and then you go back out of it And you have like an umbrella to him and then you go back out of that an umbrella to him So like someone out of acting out of character can be umbrellaed into there's a contradiction In the film and that can be umbrellaed out to I didn't like the film And I think he's he's he's gone like to tier two Where he's like yeah these words and he's like he's not thought about the next tier at all He doesn't think he needs I don't like it. I'll keep going I think it's um, it's it's interesting to come at this because this is very like normie first level kind of Discussion about you know media or art or anything like that. That's all very wishy-washy and yeah First level is like you can't even get your thoughts across Well, yeah, and and then you go to sort of second level, which is more like You know, it's probably more like a lot of the content that's covered on e-fap where it's uh, it's a little bit more Reasons are bad. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Whereas with this one. It's just so Nebulous and vague and it's probably because there's never I don't know Maybe it's because when he has discussions about video games He's talking about it with people who largely share the same overall views or they don't challenge Any Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so then it's like because of what I mean, it's It feels like there's a big disconnect where like if he were to rewatch this stream There'd be a lot of parts where I guess maybe he wouldn't be following the point that's being made not because it's like Not not because like more just because it's probably inexperienced with Discussing it on that sort of like to that extent. I guess I don't know But then he made a three and a half hour review of breath of the wild. So it's like, I don't know. It's very confusing I mean, he definitely seems to feel passionately about a position that I don't think he's quite figured out and that's fine Um, it's just it's funny because we like inspect Inspect these phrases and words and then we're like I don't know if this means exactly what you thought it meant. Maybe it did. Maybe it doesn't mean No, but the the way he's trying to Validate his opinion with the words he's using it's all very vague It's not no definitive in establishing the points he's trying to make in any way. It's all Confusing as a result Yeah I guess we shall continue that uh, one sec I the description was doubled up apparently. I've singled it now. Thank you for the Let me know chat And crafts Kirby yoshi paper mario game toys are certainly fun, but there's nothing surreal and mysterious about a toy another That's a claim again. That's a big claim. There's nothing surreal about a toy. Which by definition is not real like Yeah Do we even need to count to that one? Like he's just sweeping claim. There's nothing surreal about a toy Yeah, that's we don't even know what surreal means. Is he using it as a Real maybe I don't know Yeah, there's there's nothing needs to be said about that. That's obviously wrong My brain is like you can counter it this way this way this way this way this way. I'm like, I don't think we need to I think it's self-evidently a dumb dumb Problem is that at least based on what I can see in the trailer links awakening does the whole toy thing But it still doesn't quite go all the way with it making its design look kind of unfocused I know I already said I'm not sure if the toy thing was the right choice So I should be happy that it's not all toy But this halfway point is weird in its own special way All the trees look like they came out of plastic molds these vines look like lego blocks or something But I'm sorry. What? I'm yeah, uh All the trees I would like to see the lego block that it in any way could be compared to those vines First of all the trees look like plastic good Yep, they came out of plastic molds these vines. No, hold on see when it goes off to this It's the next point that breaks it the one after this one. I'm pauses on the vines. Can you see them? I'm at 12 30. Yes, I can but it's the one after this that I know I'm just saying the let's get a good look at these vines that he said they look like lego blocks They don't look like lego to me. They look like plastic again, or maybe even like um Plastic Yeah, he might be meaning that they look like that they were clipped together out of different parts if that like Yeah, I mean it does it does. That's why he's leading to a third point that breaks it. That's what I'm saying I remember this like lego blocks or something But then lots of other stuff kind of just looks like Stuff video game stuff. Yeah, you see what I mean like that's that's broken because It's like stuff That texture has the same kind of sheen in certain places Yeah, it looks like it looks like tile And I was gonna mention that he's gone wrong here if those little like um banner things there Like cloth in this game rather than like a plastic uh sort of Sheets, you know whatever um that would still be fine because you can get plenty of plastic products that come with like Paper editions or cloth editions in in different places Like as long as you mean you can have Um the toy aspects Yeah, like you can have wax paper you can have metal like that's a thing Is metal on certain toys It doesn't break the look at all. This doesn't look like a video gamey thing and actually looks quite tangible I guess we'll see what he's if he's gonna go into more. Yeah, it looks like clay like a like a claymation Yeah, I think it's criticism is that it doesn't look like Or it doesn't look as if it's made or be as much like plastic as the trees are I think what he's trying to say is that it looks like actual video game graphics as in it doesn't look like it's real Which um, I can't follow because look at those ground textures. That's quite detailed. Yeah, they look nice Yeah, it looks like yeah like bathroom tile kind of where it's clearly like if it looks like a floor It looks like he's walking on a floor It's actually really impressive like that's really impressive to work It looks gorgeous. This game looks great Not toys or anything at least the other games I've mentioned went all out with their ideas and even oh, but not this Yeah Okay Okay, I told on the toy concept. There's a chance that going all out would have at least given the game a stronger identity of its own And it doesn't have an identity I guess in between. I think one big issue He could have he could have gone into more detail about that. He's just like said like a line just moved on It's like, okay. Yeah, like this doesn't have an identity. He's like, okay I think his criticism now is that everything doesn't consistently look like plastic as much as I don't know if I agree with him on that I think it looks pretty consistent Yeah, I'm looking around at this still here and everything kind of does have that glossy Waxy kind of reflection to it Or it's made out of a material that sort of soaks it up and it it doesn't nothing like stands out like it doesn't belong He's kind of saying it like they've messed up Which is kind of hilarious because it doesn't seem like they've messed up at all with this game when it comes to the graphics Can you like couldn't I just make the claim that water shouldn't be here if it's all plastic? Oh plastic water You know, well, no, that's the thing plastic water is different than water water But I think that it's nice. They've got water water here I don't know. Yeah, water looks a bit like it's made from resin. We just what you have on models and you know Yeah, it's uh, it all looks really good. That's what I mean. I don't I don't agree with this at all True that I have is the wasted potential as you might have seen in my pokemon Let's go review. I'm not a big fan of square for square remakes of decades old games I need not remind you that this is just personal preference. Sure, and I agree Uh, all it is. No, it's not. You made some definitive claims here It's not all subjective what he said. Oh, well, I don't know if he falls into the crowd of You know, everything is subjective or not. Does he do you know? I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think he is sharing this in the Context like this is just my opinion kind of thing. I think for the remake thing he is and to a degree Oh, yeah, I would be with him. Yeah, absolutely But what he said before was just like everything in this video effectively That's what he said. That's like, oh, yeah, that's that's up a debate that part I know plenty of people want exactly this. This is what a perfect remake is for them But personally, I see no reason why the developers couldn't have given themselves a little more wiggle room when designing the game Or at least like the overworld the switch is capable of such beautiful graphics I mean Now that's just more of like a net pick right um a lot of nintendo channels have a very walked perception of graphical fidelity Yeah, I was about to say but like breath of the wild is not the best-looking game. I've ever seen Yeah, it looks it looks fine I like the art style but graphically like it's actually kind of weak. Um, you compare this to god of war You compare this to like god of war and it's not even close Yeah It's serviceable. Sure. It's fine But like I said, this is more of a net pick because a lot of nintendo channels go. Oh, this is a very good looking game It's like Yes, it was a very good looking game like 2012. I would say but I like the way it looks Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of them confuse like Pure graphical power with style I know that I don't think they do I think what it is is because they're nintendo channels. They're not really engaging as much with um The other parts of gaming industry But that's just you assuming the the uh, you know origin of their opinion they're free and therefore that's Yes, he kind of sounded insecure there. It is an assumption. Um, but I think you're right to the thing is it's not really like a big problem It's more of just a thing I've noticed where you have them say this is a very good look Like a very good looking game graphically. It's like, I mean for the switch, sure, but you know It's like someone who only plays on a nintendo ds, you know Yeah, exactly. It's um, this is definitely a nitpick. This is not a big deal at all Gorgeous designs. So why does the grass have to come in perfect? No, wait, wait, wait. No, no, wait He's messed up there. Um Why they've laid it out that way is not graphics That's a design choice. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of to do with graphical fidelity. Yeah That's a choice. That's not an aesthetic thing. Yeah, that that's a mechanic not an aesthetic Yeah, very much adds to the rid layout of the original version Adds the toy. Well, that's the idea. It's it's one to one and yeah, it works for that. It's um Because because the whole point of the tiles is um, it communicates to you very clearly, you know The world in very clear terms, you know, where everything is These are the boundary This is the space around you which is a bit different for you know breath of the wild Which is trying to be a big open world with 360 degree movement and all you know all that This is not it's not the same Even when you have uh games that have different levels that are um When you're when you can move in a three-dimensional space in all directions and things aren't in, you know block structure a lot of the times more For fear of setting redundant more structured areas a lot of players prefer that a lot of people would prefer To fight in a city than in a forest because a city has a kind of organization to it Where it's very clear where you can go and where you cannot go but with a forest There's rocks and trees and bushes and uneven ground than it You know the pathing is generally it can be a little more difficult. So You know that could be its own thing, but it's uh some to consider certainly Turn to these vines again. Why do they have to be made of these perfect little repeating lego blocks? They could have accomplished all the same design one. No, they couldn't have Not at the same design. No Yeah, not design Yeah, like he could have said it could have said maybe even the aesthetic but from a gameplay design standpoint No, it's totally different It will play similarly A perfectly faithful remake while still making it feel more Organic not realistic just real within the world more detailed more artful and to swing That's such a bunch bunch of words right there Yeah, like I don't even know how to tackle that more artful Like oh my that's a weird uh That's a very subjective morpheus word, right? I'm just It's just like yeah, I need him to lock that word down because it can go a lot of places Back around to the cartooniness thing again cartooniness isn't a problem simplicity is a problem This game has so much potential to take the original and build it into something beautiful Something that the original developers might have made Dude Dude Wow And this is clearly like they want to duplicate the gameplay style Yes, the original but he's then saying that they shouldn't have done that They should have built it to something greater and like only keep vague story to say perhaps Like that's not what they were intending Yeah, of course they could have done more obviously They didn't accidentally recreate this game one for one. They clearly Wanted to take an old game Right, but just give it that new coat of paint some new, you know better mechanics Like you know moving diagonally and stuff like that, you know But it basically has the a similar gameplay to the old classic It's like an homage in a way Yep a tribute I guess If they had the hardware power to do it But this square by square toy style limits it it brings everything down to a simple toy Like what's just what that is presentation of the original sprites instead of letting it be as artistically interesting This is pretty fucking artistically interesting. Yeah, I'm almost an interest of ejecting. It's like this is so He's making so many claims that are just unfair Like this game looks really cool Yeah, he lost me what he said they could have done something beautiful I guess this isn't it, you know, yeah, this yeah, this what's this shit Instead of saying how can we make this look better? They said how can we make this look just like the original but in 3d? Like I said, I do think this looks like the original but in 3d. Are you insane? I'm pretty sure he's argued against that himself. That also is proven that is better It's like trying to say that it's not better, but they could have made something better. I was like, ah This dude's crazy Bad rat It looks very pretty in its own way But I also feel like it could be so much more while still completely embodying the tone and spirit and even the precise design of the original and no Tone spirit and precise design of the original Yeah, by changing it so much more Hmm Kind of this is helped by that opening cinematic. It is so so Gorgeous, it really sets up expectations that the actual gameplay can't quite meet that intro truly does represent Can't quite meet. It's not the same thing. What? What do you think there was this what starters is unfair because this is a 2d animation Like yeah, what are you asking them to do here? Like how are they meant to make it look like this? Like the the gameplay can't live up to this is like this can't live up to the gameplay now what? Yeah Now what? They're too completely they're not meant to Well, this is the intro. It's cinematic. So yeah Original game I can imagine using this beautiful painterly style that really does the tone justice and turns the world into a work of art And I know this video is absolutely packed with again's and like I said, but again like I said I get what they were going for as many people have pointed out the intro is a direct I don't think you do I like how it's so deflated at this point. Yeah There's so much to criticize that I'm almost like I can't do it like there's just too much wrong with this He's not really said much of anything Uh definitive the proof that's provable is so many words that are just like being left on the table And I'm like, what's this one? What's this one? Yeah, and then it also becomes down to such a subjective opinion on what he feels The game should be like and therefore it would have been I don't like this should I don't like this should it should be like this This is how the game should look Yeah, it should implies that you have an end goal or an end thing that you want Right, you're trying to get to something or you're trying to what is that? What is that end goal because it seems like the end goal was to make a very faithful recreation of the gameplay style of the Original in 3d and that it looks like they achieve that really effectively His end goal is what I like Seems like it And I still don't know what that is Make of the original intro then kind of separately the main game is a direct remake of the original main game If that original sprite link were converted to 3d, this is what he would probably look like the style is absolutely accurate But remember when everyone was crazy about watchmen and then the watchmen movie came out and besides a detail in the ending The vast majority of the movie was like shot by shot constructed directly from panels in the original graphic novel And that didn't make it a good movie Like at all This is the adaptation This is a false equivalence as well a massive false equivalence Yeah, the movie is not the same as a game Okay The interactive nature of a game's mechanics are impossible to ignore and they just they they separate the mediums in an extremely meaningful way massively so You are trying to oh, yeah I guess so he's referring to this new game as an adaptation of the old game and just because You've correctly because that's what he's defined it correctly updated the um But that's not what he's saying He's suggesting that because you've adapted it faithfully and that you've you've taken all the things that were there before and made them to new things Doesn't mean it's gonna be good. I'm curious why he's showing the shining. What's he gonna say about this? How about when Stephen King didn't like Stanley Cooper's adaptation of the shining because despite being a vastly superior piece of fiction In every possible way don't at me Oh Wolf would have He said it was vastly superior in every single way that sounds pretty objective to me Do that. Yeah, I could throw that in at the end. It's a joke. Don't act I'm not actually what you should do at the end of your game of thrones video mohler Don't at me and it's like cool. You realize don't at me. It's just the end of the sentence version of in my opinion Well, even though in my opinion can fucking go there too I thought I don't at me is just like don't hate me for having Saving something that on it. I can't believe I'm saying this it's complicated. Don't at me as in like This is my position. I'm not gonna entertain the idea of people fighting against it. We all have our opinions. Leave me alone Yeah, and it's also used as like a jokey way of saying I know what I said was controversial Yeah So I should say don't at me after I can get my apple and peep that got it Yeah Don't at me guys. I mean the fucking mantra of ifap is every set of stands with at me Go ahead When steven king didn't like stanley cubrick's adaptation of the shining because despite being a vastly superior piece of fiction And every possible way don't at me it wasn't accurate enough So then he wrote his own screenplay which they made into the most perfectly accurate tv mini series based on a book ever And it was like the worst movie Watching that movie was like Okay, I can't stand what he's saying here that if it's going to be accurate to the source material He's it seems like he's implying it's gonna be apparently bad and I'm like No, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's trying to counter the notion that if it's accurate, it's better Yeah, that's what I'm getting uh, but I will say that I guarantee you there's so much context We're not getting from what he's provided us. I don't believe him I don't believe that the tv series is bad because it's accurate to the fucking books I'm sure there's way more to it than that Mm-hmm Billing coffee on yourself and having to sit in it for four hours. It was miserable I'm not saying links awakening will turn out like watchmen or the shining tv movie I wouldn't even make a joke about that. That's going too far I'm just saying that accuracy shouldn't always be the end goal of a remake I think capturing the spirit of the original and expanding on it overall improvement should be the goal All right, so improvement is okay So improvement is objective Complicated to see improvement when it comes to art style Yeah Like what's he mean like is yarn an improvement from plastic is plastic an improvement from realism is realism an improvement from cartoon Like I don't know like for instance Um, I like star wars more than prime prejudice And so if I was making a prime prejudice adaptation into film and make it like Basically one for one new hope Is that an improvement again for some people it will be but it's straight so far from what the source material was It's no longer an adaptation. It's something completely different And so there is certain things that you must keep the same for it to actually remain the same thing And so his guide here is just to improve something like no People like the original for very specific reasons and you need to keep those things in place for people to maintain that same level of like Fairly expansion in terms of gameplay. I'm perfectly fine with the gameplay remaining mostly the same Which is why if that final fantasy 7 remake ever comes out, which you probably won't I'm staying away from it Because it sounds like they're reimagining it into a new game entirely. There are some cases where revamping the gameplay Yeah, yeah, this is this is like a new game. We're in weird territory like again Yeah, it's about intention the final fantasy remake the whole intention is to Make it like, uh, you know a platformer or a modern-day platformer And so they're completely redoing the gameplay whereas risotta the whole intention behind it was to maintain the gameplay If if this was the attitude that he was going to be consistent with and sorry peter jackson with your lord of the rings Yeah, I did not like there's so many variables that i'm almost lost like again Like so what is his even argument for games being easy? He's almost arguing for how they were you know You could do anything could result better I'm just like, okay. Thanks for adding this to the conversation like I A one-to-one remake one-to-one just the graphics get boosted almost like a remaster instead. It's like well Doesn't yeah, I'm okay with that, but I'm also okay with Uh a remake as well like this is a difference between something like the crash bandicoot trilogy and um Uh Resident Evil 2 remake well and Resident Evil 1 remake. I guess it's like these are different things Isn't the whole point that we have remake and remasters two different terms Would you call would you call this zoldo one a remaster or remake? remake It's a remake. Yeah A suit well, I mean, I can't be sure if everything is the same I was going to say if the mechanics and the the the world everything's the same except the graphics Then I guess it would be a remaster of source But I think with um, I I but I think with the idea of stuff like diagonal movement I mean, even that in and of itself is pretty pretty substantial You know change and I'm not sure what else they do, but even that alone is like Yeah, this brings into question then exactly what the line between remaster remake is and it can get complicated If you have a remaster that changes any one mechanic is it now a remake Yeah, I'm not ready to I mean, I don't have a huge investment in it. Uh The difference between the two But I would imagine that the the further and further the more and more changes that it makes the closer it gets to remake And there's a couple of differences or big differences Between the final fantasy one and zoldo one I mean, we have a lot of different zoldo properties exploring different gameplay styles and stuff like that from the older zoldo forms and stuff And this is like a nod back to the original but with final fantasy 7 I mean, it's like it's a time to explore with these characters in a new gameplay style that everyone is really keen to see and stuff I don't know. Maybe if they did a remaster of the original people would still be on board with it as well And if they were going for a remaster then Um, uh, we would hope to the gameplay to be maintained in a very faithful way Well, yeah, I think if they did that and they said this is a remaster of the original legend of zelda We'd be like, all right the same exact game Mechanically identical just updated graphics. I think people would really like to try that But if they framed it as oh, yeah, the next official zelda game, it's this And it was that honestly step backwards People would obviously have issues You know, it's how you treat it and what you're trying to do and you know what expectations you set up for it as well Yeah, yeah Saying a lot of stuff is a good idea like with samus returns But it depends on each individual case and now i'm getting too deep into something that is not the point The point is that at least in this specific case I am happy with the gameplay being basically the same But I feel like the art style could be so much more Whether it's with painterly visuals or simply with damn, what do you want if this is if this disappoints you like Fuck man, you have some pretty high standards. If he was here right now and just said no, sorry I'm just saying I I I Don't I have a preference against plastic looks. I'd be like, okay Okay, yeah, okay, but he seems to keep wanting to say more than that He wants to be like oh, yeah, yeah, I think it's definitely more than just I don't like the textures Doesn't convey the ethereal nature that this game originally implied Tailed artistic yet still completely colorful and cartonian fun 3d graphics. Just not factory made plastic trees and copy pasted plant models And that's really unfair to the work that's gone into this clearly Yeah, this game looks like it. Oh, it looks like it's got so much heart He's describing my pet peeve and you know, that's fine. If he doesn't like that Yeah, no, I'm almost making like a moral judgment on him there My personal preference to question his judgment I just I don't know why he's attacking these things instead of just convincing us of what he wants No Oh god, it's like this video shit Tiny shins that make some things look like plastic even though they're not plastic or they are maybe you calling them plastic Isn't plastic? I don't really know and there's one last thing I've got to say about opinions and art styles and stuff Because I don't know when it'll come up again Even if you think it is wrong to dislike this art style Even if you think people have the wrong wrong to dislike it ox I it's not wrong to you said that like who says these things Yeah, is that people say the game isn't bad because it has an art style you don't like is like I think that would be the appropriate response But they're not saying it's wrong to dislike. Oh, I don't know who would say that I'm sure if you could find someone out there, but at that point you're like, why even talk about them And we also have to find out if they were just joking around because what you can probably quote us as saying it But it's usually gonna be sarcastic Yeah, I think it is wrong to dislike this art style Even if you think people have the wrong reasons for disliking it Or if you think it's wrong for a person to not play the game because they don't like the art style It doesn't matter. Well, let's put it this way. What if your reason for disliking this art style is literally because it was Uh developed on a friday or you were beaten with a plastic doll when you're younger Yes Is that the wrong reason to dislike This is getting into the whole what makes a reason right or wrong. He's like, is it Justified as he said a reasonable reason or what did he say it was that what he said? I can't remember Like earlier in the video he described and I and I said like oh implying that there are unreasonable reasons Oh, yes, that's right. Are some reasons more reasonable than others You know like well I feel that um Because of the I don't know some Because of the socio economic impacts of the devastation of the japanese empire following world 2 I feel like this texture in the zelda video game doesn't uh, you know, I don't like it because of that reason And then someone else says well, I don't like it because I feel like there are certain assets that don't fit in aesthetically with other asset Like which one of those is more reasonable of the two for not liking, you know, the textures of the zelda game I like how um when he spun the sword it's like warped the visuals underneath it Yeah, it has That is really nifty. It's like it's yeah, that's really cool That's opinions, dude. People can dislike anything for any reason they want there was once a time when I thought that all the other Yeah, stop saying that nobody's claiming it's illegal. You're all right. It's not illegal not yet Yes, it's stop fucking bringing this up as it depends Not yet Teenagers around me who were skipping out on wind waker because of the style were so ignorant and wrong But now I know it didn't matter whatever so we just we probably just be like, okay You're lost if you really want to be like any kind of so if someone said like I'm not gonna play god of war because I don't Like bold people. I'd be like Whatever man your deal Okay They were perfectly within their right something too many things in their right People do this no one's taking you right away Who is taking your right away to not like zelda video game aesthetics? Who who is this person if you're not gonna tell us then you're Yeah, this is stupid. This is Is that not only do different people enjoy Sorry, I didn't mean to play that. Um No, it says that he's he's he's trying to set up a defense for himself against people that essentially don't exist Yeah Because of the style we're so ignorant and wrong But now I know it didn't matter they were perfectly within their right something too many people don't seem to understand Is that not only do different people enjoy different things? But sometimes they enjoy the same things for this is this is like preachy kindergarten garbage that I don't expect No, welcome to life People like different things and that's okay That's your right. Everyone's like a kindergarten teacher just on her knees You know going down to little timmy's level just to explain them face fail sometimes little timmy people like different things like fuck off We're adults. You're an adult. It is your government given god given cosmos given right to enjoy zelda All right But we will say there is a difference between liking something and saying something is objectively good And if they felt that semantically they were just that's all that meant saying objects were good Or whatever just like just I wish you'd just explain what you're saying because it sounds like garbage There could be a person who enjoys games purely based on how good the music is That person is not wrong same with voice acting or character models or Man, you're even Really? It's that joke we made where like majorly is just fucking thrashing this straw man and you're like you got him Good job. Hey, we're over here. All right. Yep You showed him Blast through the chest of the straw man with this blank face it just it's just like Whenever you're done we're over here even the straw man's like I wasn't a particularly good point anyway, so You're doing me a service. I don't even know what you're talking about People seem to think that playing games based purely on graphics is the mark of the stupidest person ever A person who doesn't even like or understand games, but it's not they're just liking what they like You could have a person who just loves rocks How good do the rocks look how many rocks are there? Can you pick up the rocks? These are the metrics by which they judge the quality of the game Some crazy person out there thinks that Okay, why are we talking about it? I don't even know why we're on this now like yeah sure everyone can like anything for any reason That's a crazy thought So does he dislike the links awakening remake overall because of the art style like he hasn't played it yet This came out before the game came out So he probably has played it now What has he said about it? Does he said that he just didn't like the art style and is not interested in the game and people any He's gonna play the game. He's a nintendo channel. He's definitely played the game For us being as kind as possible I would say he made a video explaining that he doesn't like the art style because it doesn't match the surreal nature of zelda And this it's almost inconsistent with itself as well But he'll give it a shot and that everyone can like anything they want People are closed minded if they disagree with him And assume his reasons for disliking the art style that is the best faith version of what we have heard in this video Yes, we give it up a lot of leeway considering all the things he said Because yeah, a lot of it was vagant using really weird Somebody was outright wrong All right With it is based purely on rocks that that is very different from how i mean monday now We'll probably use that as a reason I guess as chat's pointing out It's a really great rocks to collect Measure games I just don't have the same taste as that person and their standards even seem a little silly to me But it doesn't matter. Wow. What you just said was no, no less power. We need less of those people We need less people judging a video game quality and enjoyment based on rock textures We need less of those people, but he said that he thought those people's standards were silly. That's an attack Yeah, how dare you call someone's standards silly More power to them. Let them enjoy their rock games and you can't tell them that they're wrong or they're playing Someone legitimately does not like a game because it had too many black people in it You can totally say that they're really wrong. You could make a moral judgment. Yeah, I'll say that would be wrong. Yeah Well, the thing is though is I feel like if you said this you'd be like, yeah, but we're obviously not talking about that We're just talking about video. But it's like, no, we're trying to test the principle Because it's funny. We have said you're allowed to like, you know, whatever you want as long as you're not saying Well, we're appealing to the ability But I mean, I think I want to question that I would say if you I mean, I think it's fair to Try and critique the reasons why someone likes it to see if it's valid or not I mean I'm generally interested in knowing why people like things that I think are horribly bad And if someone just said they liked a horrible movie because I had good rocks in it. I'll be like Ah, you're right. Yeah, you're okay. Quite a person. Yeah. All right. Um, Okay, you know Well, this is the thing about something else because you're just interesting The thing about the rocks though is like, what if you had a friend who was like an extremely well versed? I don't know if there's a specific Profession for this, but let's just go with archaeology. Oh, yeah, there you go. Sorry. That would work better So like and it's just a game that's hyper realism Adventure game and there's loads of extremely well rendered variations of different rocks and rock related You know items objects or whatever and you can catalog them Big them out and there's like elements of mechanics to it And they're just like I fucking love this game because of the rocks. You'd be like, yeah, that makes sense It doesn't make sense. I mean doesn't mean it's a good game No, that's true too. Well that it is generally enjoyable for more common reasons. Yeah Rock games man underrated Wrong reasons, you don't know them. You're not in their head. You just don't have the same tastes and priorities as them And I know what a revelation. Whoa crazy. It's almost like he said that a million times already I had no idea I'm so glad there's so many creators make this video and it's such a boring fucking take Hey, man, it's subjective. Wow people are different. Oh, shit this whole time. I thought that everyone was like, yeah Don't you dare assume the reasons why they hold such opinions because That's being closed minded and Art style aren't fine, but they are secondary to good gameplay superfluous even But video games are a visual medium if someone doesn't want to play a game because they don't like how it looks you can Not convince me that that's unreasonable. I know I've turned down games because I didn't like how they looked I don't want to stare at something that I think is ugly for 10 to 20 hours I've just liked how a game looked then didn't end up coming around five years later as some people seem to insist Will happen with lynx awakening. I still think skyward sword is one of the ugliest Zelda games Not because it's different or because it's colorful, but because I don't think it looks very good Well, it's a tautology, isn't it? It's ugly because it doesn't look good But like yeah, yeah, not playing something because you don't like the way it looks. That's fine. I mean, there's a lot of games That's again. Nobody's nobody's making this argument. Yeah, I can fucking it up though Yeah You may like, you know, stop with the fluff. Just say I don't like it because I don't like it because I don't like it Because I don't like it. You're like, you're right. Right. Yeah. Okay. I got it. Nope. That's fine. I was okay About the head to hammer it home. You've just got to remember that you're not the thought police It is not your job to make sure everyone. No, that is my job. Fuck you. This is the internet. That is my job This is my eternal calling Oh, my career actually like there is there is a big difference in saying I don't like the art style too The art style is bad because it doesn't match the ethereal nature of zelda or something like hang on because that's what he was saying he's been saying far more Like um definitive statements as to why the art styles legitimately Not good for the style of game that it is and that's a lot different to just him saying I don't like the art style Yeah Is being a little disingenuous and trying to summarize this video as him just simply saying I'm not going to play the game because I don't like the art style It's different Job to make sure that everyone plays every single game that they might end up enjoying Because to not play those games would be an injustice. Who cares, man You ever hear the phrase you do you because it's something of a mantra that I've been living by in recent years Oh my god, how many times you can say that you have no, that's that's definitely hypocritical Like what do you mean this whole video is a response to things that have annoyed you Not to mention that uh You don't do you depending on what you're doing Yeah, you do you unless you are challenging sponsor pinion Christ now how I would have handled the Handled all the juice but you know you do you man. That's you know, that's one way to do it I guess well, that's what I mean like that this is very easy to say but like you do you I don't think anybody really believes that either. I feel like that's another thing that is a lie Like everyone's lucky like everything everybody do your own thing add a key. It's just nonsense Saturday, he's like everybody stop doing you We gotta stop You're doing you If you haven't clicked away already, here's here's a really big one that I see literally every day Very often in literally every day and please pay attention here because this is really important An opinion doesn't become a complaint just because you disagree with it An opinion doesn't become a complaint because you just agree with it Well, surely an opinion is a complaint. If there was a complaint being made right and like What does he mean by this? opinion doesn't come become a complaint because you just because you disagree with it No, wouldn't it be a complaint before that? It's a complaint either way you could agree with it, but it's still a complaint Wait, man, this room is way too cold. I agree. Those are both still complaints Someone says I love this movie. I disagree. I think well, no, I can't disagree with them not liking the movies So hang on. Well, this is very complicated right because I was gonna say it's great I could highlight for example like something of a Gandalf wearing sneakers and a scene in orderings I go, huh? He's wearing sneakers in orderings. That's my that's my judgment right there That's my opinion and someone goes Disagrees with it. It says they're actually I don't know some other shoe The idea that I'd be like it's not a complaint. It's like it's an observation. I guess I don't know What does he mean by complain like a thing that actually personally annoys me? That I'm trying to Because I was gonna say like if I enjoy something but can notice a flaw in it and that is that necessarily a complaint or an observation or It's a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable Okay It really depends on the opinion really. Yeah, and He's basically trying to say an opinion isn't necessarily complaining about something even if you disagree with it Those things don't have anything whether you agree with it Complaint then yeah, but like you say this movie is great and someone disagrees with it It doesn't turn what they said into complain. Yeah, but like that's that's obvious though, isn't it? Cuz that's how language works I'm getting confused. It's like yeah, why is he comparing two things he's done this multiple times in this video But he's taking two things that don't counter each other or really have anything to do with each other in any way and like trying to link Them together like complaint and agreeing with it. It's like no whether you agree with it or not It's still a complaint that has nothing to do with it Let's see what he says like it's funny how someone can say how much they like something and everyone nods their heads and thinks It's great, but then that person criticizes something and so wait. Yeah, okay, so I understand so like but in in the reverse Would he say that just because you agree with an opinion that doesn't mean it's an appraisal Right exactly it's he's got a mixed up. Well, I just I don't know that like I'm trying to figure this out I agree with this. I don't think so. I Don't know that whether or not you agree with it doesn't change what the words mean as far as I'm aware So if I so I'm not sure like what defines a complaint This is always This is why just like saying this horse is four legs even if it's Saturday Yeah, but also it could be Sunday too and the horse would have four legs Yeah, and why are we even talking about this these two things don't have anything to do with each other This is weird stretching this out a lot this video if the only goal here is to just be like We have everyone alone to say whatever they want. It's like, okay, just say that I'd still say no, but at least to be shorter, right? Yeah, you get people going stop complaining stop whining If it's done respectfully, it's just expressing an opinion like any opinion and I know this is just based on my personal experience with this Fucks sake. He just he just said like all of this is my opinion about opinions being just my opinion But I've seen like no one quote-unquote Complaining about the art style. I see people yeah, because it's really awesome I'm sure someone is I mean you are you're complaining. I'm sure they're out there, but generally this seems to be a very welcome Aesthetic that people enjoy looking what he means when he says he hasn't seen people complaining What he means is I haven't seen people like whinging and crying about it. They've just been expressing their opinion like I did That's what he means. What does what does it mean to be a complaint from his eyes? His you know Opinion about the art style are not complaints and people have accused him or sold him I mean, yeah, this is obviously When Clearly people can equate that as complaining if you're criticising It doesn't make it valid or invalid. I just think he doesn't want to be seen as a complainer because he doesn't like the art style Yeah That is being a complainer like what would you define complaint more? How would you define it? Well, basically what rags read out as a definition sounds reasonable enough to me a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable No, no, no what I've been doing is something else, but those complainers out there It's just too wishy-washy there's so many words So many different words and usually I don't mind words It's that is not using the words in the correct definition and context and sorry it makes everything vague and nebulous Yeah, the the point of words is to is to essentially reverse mind read and he's been doing that very poorly I do not understand what's going on in his head. Really. It's it's all over the place. It's contradictory He's not applying the same standard to himself that he applies to others This is just this video does this is like a three and a half four minute video That he is just dragging out Quite frankly, I'm sick of the same footage over and over. I'm gonna do the thing that he doesn't like people doing here Here goes. I'm gonna do it. I think that he's a little bit insecure slash bitter from all of the responses He's been getting after he's been making statements like he has in this video publicly and That he's frustrated that he's getting clamped down on this when people who are positive about it won't be when I think you'll find That it happens to both sides. So if someone said this is an amazing look perfect for Zelda some guy might be like Perfect for Zelda. I think you'll find is probably the least suitable thing in that could happen to Zelda And then that person could be like why is it that when I have a positive opinion people criticize It's like it still happens still happens principally. It's allowed to happen on both sides It's not that it's not allowed to happen on either side. That's bullshit Yeah, especially when you're going way further than just saying I dislike it or I do like it. Oh, yeah But hey, that's just a game theory. I don't actually know that as truth. It's not an attack. Okay. That was my guess That's my assumption. Don't at me. Do not put the at on me Do not do it. Do not shift to at me I got a piece of art and I don't like what I see sometimes even I don't like it And here's why the ones who are doing what could be described as complaining are the ones telling people that it's wrong to Dislike the art style the people that someone actually told you that it's wrong to dislike the art style Yeah, like I'm sure this I don't believe that would have whatever. I just like they really freezing it that way What why are you giving such time attention and weight to these fringe crazy people if they even do exist? I just find it funny that is Literally trying to redefine the meaning of complain This is what it means to complain people This is wind waker all over again in five years. They'll love it. That's complaining It's complaining when you try to make the world fit your point of view by getting in people's faces Wow, this is not what the word I Like that he's like presenting his ideas for what complain means like please adopt them It's like I don't think anyone's gonna be adopting that dude. No, this is So this is just like he's like redefining complain to me being an asshole in different like ways Like it let's just listen to that again listen to his his his defining terms Doing what could be described as complaining are the ones telling people that it's wrong to dislike the art style The people going they're all wrong. This is wind waker all over again in five years. They'll love it That's complaining. It's complaining when you try to make the world fit your point of view by getting in people's faces About how you think it should be and before you say it. That just makes you obnoxious Yeah, but also like that doesn't that doesn't stand up to scrutiny because there are a lot of instances like the American Revolution God Why are you so obsessed with this company? Why don't you pay our taxes stop complain? Wow guys stop complaining God like I need to ask him though It's like could someone make a complaint that you would consider to be a good thing It doesn't seem like it complaint is negative. Yeah, he's like man. I really wish I wasn't a slave All those Nazis killing the Jews was really bad and I can't stand it Yeah Don't play me oh damn it Yeah, it's the same man I wish that I was poor and I wish I had food to eat or I wish I wasn't a slave or I wish I didn't have cancer You know, I just stopped complaining We said like something about trying to impose you your view one of the people and I know he's referring to liking or disliking Video games was like you could extrapolate that principle by good man So someone in chat said he's literally complaining that people aren't complaining, right? Oh Before you say it I think there's a big difference between aiming criticism at a company or a piece of art and talking about how you think it would be Better if it were different and going out of your way to tell people how you think they should well You think that there's no way so on the end of that that's gonna receive that you think There's no person who made that fucking art style. It's not gonna be a little bit pissed off about your complaints Also, what is this logic like if you complain against the company? It's okay What? But if you complain against people, it's not Man, this really derailed at the end not that it was off rails, but you don't I mean no Be different. That's really at the core of all this. Have all the opinions you want. Say them all you want. Stop saying that Oh All you want it's not even a good position to hold like No No opinions they have untenable positions Yeah, contradictive opinions. What happens then it was good. That's good. Yeah, man Like opinions can be shitty. I know there are a group of people that started with The work the letter And they had opinions It's just opinions, man But once you try to force an opinion on someone else or you assume that a different opinion What does it mean to force an opinion on someone else? Am I strapping these people down and blasting it with speakers into the air that somebody's made an opinion in error? He says it like that's not possible, but it is You can honestly make mistakes and if someone helps you out with that that's a good thing Like man, I hated the fourth matrix movie. You're like dude. There was no fourth matrix I mean, well that'll change, but you know what I mean Yeah, it's like let's work pretty really loud It must have been made in error. You've crossed the line. If someone is spreading misinformation feel free to inform them All right, so if they're spreading misinformation, you can inform them. Okay, what if I think you're spreading misinformation? Oh We're veering really close to only do it when I think it's okay Okay, my standards are don't they don't exist. I just don't have them. They're on a thing So if I was going to take the really controversial position of yeah, you can challenge opinions And it doesn't even have to be whether or not you think the person's lying or not or spreading this information Oh, he stole my heart Come on Someone is harassing the people around them feel free to call that person out Interjection and confrontation have their places But if someone expresses a personal opinion about a piece of media Tell them how you disagree offer your own opinion as a means of discussion, but let them have What do you mean? It doesn't make sense Let them have their opinion. How how could anybody not let someone have bad opinions in the world like really bad opinions Yeah, but like how am I meant to take it away from someone like kill it? I guess Yeah, I guess but like commit murder Like do not murder people with opinions you don't like You pull out the plot of their braid that holds that opinion Like flush it down the toilet Just hit the reset button on the brain Damn How many times has he said that This is he wrote the fucking the the declaration of independence with john adams about the part where you're allowed to like the last Jedi Didn't he he was there All I was in the background Be mature be confident in your own opinion discuss don't discuss don't argue Um About seeing you I fucking guarantee you if I was to discuss anything with him It would take a matter of minutes for him to argue for something A discussion can be an argument. They don't like exclusive Stop demonizing arguments. It's weird arguments can be good arguments can be discussions Arguments and other discussions He's saying that now because he's got a position that he doesn't he is not confident in it He does not think he can justify it to people if they ask him He you're assuming you're assuming the reasons Yeah, but he also assumed the people are insecure. I know I was gonna say he crossed the line well before we even considered crossing it Yeah, he crossed the line, which means he's on my side and we play by my rules on my side His rules don't make any sense anyway He doesn't have rules I'm pretty sure He clearly defines arguing as something aggressive and you know Throwing names at each other being a mean man. Basically He doesn't understand because this video was quite mean. Yeah, this video is a little bit mean for sure This is what I mean. I find it hilarious when people are like, uh, stop being so mean It's like but I've so often seen people be like actually incredibly mean and like try to hide it What is he said about his is called people ignorant. He's called them ignorant insecure. Um, uh Immature Um Yeah, and and the basis for that like was if you assumed The reasons for someone putting an opinion you're closed-minded ignorant Well simultaneously arguing for being a man who's like you do you it's like, yes, you do you accept it fucking all these different things Yep Them have their opinion be mature be confident in your own opinion Discuss don't argue and most importantly of all remember that i'm gonna be at midwest gaming classic in wisconsin All right, we did it Oh and just in time Oh, you gotta go because i'm still even like fine. I have to leave in like five minutes Uh, what about you shad? How are you doing? I'll i'm i'm pushing through guys the kids will be home soon. So you might hear shadlings in the background for a bit But The plan was right two three videos technically but two of them were responding videos One of them was gonna be a video where we just sort of watch it And obviously you can pause if you find a place to disagree in it But it's actually a video that I quite liked so instead I think we're gonna go with the one video to respond to since that would took us just over four hours um So we're gonna we're gonna skip ahead to the one that we're just gonna watch and the other video I had we can save for another time. This will always have other times to be able to do this. So no worries, but um Yeah, um, I guess do you want to eject now fringy or do you want to? Uh, yeah sure might as well then because uh, I don't have long What was the other respondy video? I'm interested the title of it is objectively good doesn't exist Oh, damn, but obviously Yeah, that one's like a half hour. So we can't do that as well That one will take four hours. That'll be a full episode and I want to be there for that one Well, uh, this was the video that you said you wanted to be there for the last efeb. So I will make a note Look at that. I thought the one we just watched was that's what I mean The this so, you know, you on the last efeb you wanted to be here for this one And you are and now you're gonna be there for the next one when we get to it, which you will I promise Um But yeah fringy, do you want to which which channel do you want to plug the most your uh My regular channel my regular channel. So what does it do you do on this regular channel? Uh, nothing for the last year and a half, but Maybe that'll change soon. Keep an eye out You want it? Well, that's it. I got nothing else Yeah That was fun to some extent Oh, we're fucking out. We got a shit ton of discussion out of it. Thank you. Arlo Yeah, and I always feel obliged to say that you know nothing against you personally You're probably a really friendly nice guy that we I'll get along with fine and hang out and play video games It doesn't mean we're attacking you because we disagree with some of the things you say Yeah We will catch you again sometime. I'm sure of it. Yeah catch you later gentlemen. Goodbye, sir That's your mic so, um This other video, um It is is made by a guy who I believe is a fan of efeb Um Don't want to be assuming too much, you know, yeah, but he made a video and this is fun enough to be able to just like Oh, this is um quite uh Bold of you the title of it is art is not subjective Um, very very bold. Um, but yeah, so the idea here is I'm gonna we're gonna watch it And then I'll probably talk about um, if we pause we can just Explore some stuff. Maybe maybe not and uh at the end of it Then I'll just talk about who made it and where you can find the video. So Is everybody good to objectively? Hey, I gotta take care of something. I'll be back in just a little bit, but I'll be going for just a little bit like 10 minutes or more uh 1020 maybe Should we wait then or Is it possible to do this thing after you see this video or no? Uh, sure. Yeah, if yeah, I think I yeah, okay cool because me and shag can just talk about this then We'll be fine. Okay. All right. Here we go. Like I said, I don't know how much posing we will actually do, but feel free to objectively bad an objective badness based on Quantifiable unbiased facts and science and mathematics and hold on. I need to check something real quick Yeah, no, all of my crazy pills are still here. I haven't taken any of them So why does it feel like I'm taking crazy pills? Because it really feels like I'm taking crazy pills. Here's the thing art is subjective I'll film a subjective all art is subjective art is subjective Art is not a science. There is no means to universally or factually prove worth And arguably that is why art has any value in the first place. Isn't it subjective? No a comment that I hear more and more in modern video essays is the statement art is subjective So I wonder if he's gonna go and explain the thoughts that I would respond to so many of those interesting takes Oh, yeah, yeah, but I'll wait. I'll wait and hold off to hear what he says because Just hearing so much of that crap before just kind of you know makes my leg Jerk I wouldn't recommend listening to quentin reviews. It does hit. I won't just like Okay, we'll hear what he says This statement is usually used as a counter to the idea that film criticism is based on objective references And that a film can be quantified objectively for quality people who support the idea that are to subjective claim that people who support Objective criticism harm art by limiting the discussion. I would support the opposite The concept that art is entirely subjective and uses no objective standards is a concept Which is immensely harmful to both artists and art critics Whether it is writing directing sculpting painting or creating a video essay Every form of art uses standards and can be qualified objectively The first thing that must be established is that objective does not necessarily mean factual So he says that I hope he elaborates on a bit more When he states that trying to claim all artists objective is actually harmful to art because That's a good statement, but I think it deserves to be explained. Why yeah And I'm like you watch this video. Does he go on to explain why I'll be honest with you I can't remember everything that happens in this video, but I'm gonna guess I think he does Okay It simply means that your reference used for assessing a film was based solely on what is in the text of the film Whether it's a merit or a flaw you make an observation based on a reference and form a logical conclusion based on that reference Take the fight on titan from infinity war for instance Most people who see this fight scene will enjoy it thoroughly It brilliantly uses CGI in a convincing way and manages to balance a large number of protagonists fighting one incredibly powerful antagonist There are several objective merits you can point to such as character progression through action choreography direction and more these objective references can be used to make a conclusion on the film's overall Quality and these references can also have an influence on your subjective take on the film But an objective flaw in this fight scene is that thanus does not use the reality stone to incapacitate all the avengers So that he can easily take the time stone There are arguments as to why thanus wasn't able to overpower the avengers when he had all of the stones The key reference which could be used to explain this is that thanus had just murdered his daughter Gamora and in a slight ways become softened by this Thus he wishes to go out of his way to avoid killing anyone until he can use the completed infinity gauntlet Based on his fighting style in previous scenes versus his fighting style as soon as he arrives on titan This does seem to be the case on both titan and wakanda Thanus has the power stone which has the ability to decimate every member of the avengers and the guardians of the galaxy But thanus always uses the stone to incapacitate rather than kill the avengers The only members of the avengers that thanus actively attempts to kill are vision who had a stone he needed And tony stark since tony fought thanus one-on-one and refused to get out of his way between him and dr Strange, but if thanus wanted the most efficient way to incapacitate the avengers without killing them He could have used the reality stone just like he used it on nowhere The reality stone is shown in the film to have the ability to transform people into blocks of stone and strips of spaghetti This is an incredibly powerful and useful resource which thanus inexplicably overlooks Instead he uses it to convert the rubble tony crashes onto him into demonic birds I'm just gonna pause for safety because I don't know if live streams are more detectable with copyright, but just being careful, you know I will also say Yeah, just another explanation as to why thanus, you know, isn't using the reality stone Is that he might actually enjoy fighting and toying with people a bit and let them struggle to beat him Even though he knows he doesn't have a chance That explanation, but it's tough to maintain it when this is his life's goal that he's in front of right now And I'm like, I don't know if you would leave it up to the fight He's gotta be like that's that's true. Yeah, because it does seem at one point There was a at that point where he risk losing it when now and he has just highlighted that he does use the reality stone It's true. It's true. So again, it's not a the strongest argument And briefly changes titan's landscape thematically There is no reason that thanus wouldn't use the reality stone on titan and wakanda on a production standpoint The reason he doesn't do this is because it would mean that thanus would easily be able to overpower the avengers at the end of the film This would make the end both hopeless and uneventful in spite of this thanus not using the reality stone is an objective flaw Which affects the fight sequences with his character late in the film My assessment of this flaw was not based on my personal opinion. It was based solely on references in the film This is the difference between a subjective assessment and an objective assessment There is a difference between someone enjoying a film and someone saying that a film is good Enjoying a film simply means that you had fun in the theater and overall were not bored or offended by a film Mixing the idea of objective and subjective takes on films is why many modern video essays can become confusing I've seen a lot of statements like this in recent video essays I want to tell you why I love it because I do I think this movie is goddamn incredible It is easily the best star wars movie since the empire strikes back and today We're gonna talk about why What patrick willams has just done in this quote is combine the objective and subjective into one take He opens saying that he liked the last jedi. This statement is entirely subjective It only means that he enjoyed the film But in the next sentence he makes an entirely different statement arguing for quality It is easily the best star wars movie since the empire strikes back The title of the best star wars movie is a statement which relates to objective criticism Because the word best in this case pertains to quality. His statement expanded with more words is I personally think the last jedi is incredible It is the best quality star wars film since empire strikes back These statements were placed next to each other and because they were said back to back It makes it seem like they go hand in hand, but they do not relate to each other in any way Consequently, his video is rather confusing as you constantly need to assess whether his statements relate to his opinion Why is that key reappearing? I hate that argument. It's not even a argument opinion or objective references in the film This is why it's always best to clearly separate the objective from the subjective in regards to film criticism It makes conversations both clear and constructive in spite of the concept of objectivity being rather obvious in regards to Its existence. There are still some people who cling to the idea that art is subjective and that there is no way to quantify Or prove that something is poorly made But all you need to do is take a look at a well-made film and a poorly made film to come to a definitive conclusion on the existence of objective quality The dark knight and batman v superman dawn of justice are two films Which many viewers have differing opinion stores most critics and audiences alike agree that the dark knight is a good film And dawn of justice is a bad film those who subscribe to the idea that film criticism is subjective Will say that this is based entirely on experience and the only reason that this divide an opinion exists Is that a lot of people like the dark knight and a lot of people dislike dawn of justice art success or failure Is determined on an individual basis purely by the experiences and the biases and the values of each observer A certain point of view and this is the part of the argument where I frankly become confused When you watch a film you have an emotional reaction to what you see on screen But in order to have an emotional reaction you need to have something to react to Therefore everything in films comes down to references based on what you see on screen Those references are inherently objective since they are based on what is provably on screen Whether you make a subjective or objective assessment It's all a matter of the information you process when you watch a film The subjective part comes down to the level that certain elements of a film affect your enjoyment of it But it doesn't change what is provably in the film The reason I chose the dark knight and dawn of justice as examples is because the two films have several similarities They both feature the character of batman feature an antagonist who seeks to spread chaos throughout a city There are certain political and law enforcement characters who play a significant role in the story And both films are about complex themes of morality and how far people will go to enforce justice However, both films in regards to execution couldn't be more different If there was a single differing objective element found in both films Which illustrates the difference between them it would be character motivation The dark knight centralizes around batman who has managed to cripple organized crime in the city of gotham He has done so through working closely with jim gordon and being strategic with how he attempts to dismantle the mob His motivation established from the beginning of the film is to maintain order in gotham This is what drives all three of the main protagonists The joker on the other hand is motivated to spread chaos throughout gotham He is someone who claims to be an agent of chaos and simply does things because he enjoys them Upset the established order and everything becomes I'm gonna pause because I feel like I'm gonna get struck any second now I really it sucks that we can't just play this like because you know It's all in favor of criticism analysis and stuff that falls directly into fair use, but Them bots can't tell the difference unfortunately I'm an agent of chaos The conflict between batman and the joker is driven by the fact that the joker attacks batman's weaknesses Early in the film bruce states that the batman has no limits Now your limits master Wayne batman has No limits But later in the film after the joker continues to kill innocent people and spread fear throughout gotham batman realizes his boundaries and loses someone he cares about the moment of triumph for the protagonist comes when The joker fails to force two groups of innocent people to kill each other Hope wins over fear because the people of gotham proved to the joker that they believe in good Dent into his own agent of chaos You didn't think I'd risk losing the battle for gotham's soul In a fist fight with you. You need an ace in the hole Mine's harby Leading to a climax where batman chooses to sacrifice his reputation in this side of the civilians of gotham In order to maintain order in gotham city The joker and batman are motivated by the same goal But have different approaches to achieving their goal One wishes to fight for gotham through order and the other wishes to corrupt gotham with chaos These motivations for both the antagonist and protagonist of the story are both clear and concise Batman v. Superman dawn of justice on the other hand has immensely confusing motivations for characters Which are based on contrived information. I just say as well wonderful, uh, production values on this video for youtube video Yeah, it's doing a great job. Everything's nice and clean and clear the arguments are concise and straightforward The editing is nice and relevant and uh, even the music he's matching it to the subjects. She's like, oh I like my kids are home. So you might hear some shadlings in the background. Um But they shouldn't be too loud yet. I'm still waiting for him to describe why Stating that all art is subjective all art is subjective can be damaging to art because that's an important thing to talk about So I'm waiting for it, but it's not not happened yet. So maybe that's something Gordon next talk about In the plans of the villain who succeeds mainly through luck and seemingly predicting the future Batman is introduced seeing the destruction of a tropolis at the end of man of steel The destruction that he sees suggests that he may be concerned about superman's presence on earth Later when the audience is introduced to him in costume. He is fighting against human traffickers Crime fighting seems to be his new motivation with superman now being an afterthought But later it is revealed that all along he was attempting to get his hands on kryptonite to kill superman because he Doesn't want to take chances and because the flashful limit superman was evil That storyline play out I love that. Uh, I just it's just such a like, what did you expect bruce way to do with that information? lowest late is the key Oh, if I kill lois that'll stop superman. Gotcha Oh that movie Mixed in with batman's motivation is an immensely confusing story regarding superman at the beginning of the film Superman rescues lois lane from a terrorist group But due to lex luther's henchmen civilians are killed and superman is blamed for their deaths This leads to heavily bizarre political controversy Simultaneously superman learns about the criminals who have the brand of the bat who are being killed in prison With only two scenes establishing that superman has read about the prisoners and for seemingly no other reason He confronts batman and threatens to kill him if he continues working as a vigilante next time they shine your light in the sky Don't go to it. The bat is dead Bury it consider this mercy I'm sorry if we met before after the bombing in dc where superman is somehow blamed by the public batman prepares to fight superman Simultaneously lex somehow incorporates batman's independent plans into his plans and kidnaps lois lane and martha kent In order to force superman and batman to fight These key events in the film are all incredibly contrived and not supported by logical progression Because this key moments such as the titular fight scene are frustrating to watch since they are based on flimsy motivation for the characters This is objectively poor writing for the lead characters in a film What I have just done is make an objective assessment about two separate Someone could come along and say that they enjoyed on of justice just as much as the dark night There could be many reasons for this perhaps said person really loves the character of batman Or perhaps they are an action junkie and simply appreciate car chases and fight scenes Or perhaps that person enjoys themes of morality and justice regardless of the consistency of the plot If said person were to claim that they liked both films equally, this would be a subjective argument But if they instead insisted that dawn of justice is as well made of a film as the dark night This would be an objective argument and through scrutiny and analysis You would eventually come to a conclusion that the dark night is a well made film and dawn of justice is a poorly made film When it comes to objectivity and subjectivity the ultimate example that I use is the godfather and the room If there is no such thing as objectivity then these two films are on the same playing field Most people however will realize that there is at least something which differentiates these films from each other But believe it or not there are some who are attached the idea of subjectivity to such an immense degree That they unironically believe that the room is not objectively bad Jack saint made this exact argument in his video on objectivity What jack uses to reconcile a lack of objectivity in art is by arguing that different audiences use different lenses in order to form an assessment Therefore if you watch the room with the dramatic lens, you will be immensely disappointed But if you watch it with a comedic lens, you will enjoy it The room is not what is what is going on with this video. Look at that Looks terrible. Yeah, lighting issues definitely An objectively bad film if we discard authorial intent It's to the audience to decide what the film really is Is it a drama that failed tremendously or a comedy that's failed tremendously? How do you fail? There's no why even bother? It's like it's just like that. Well, that this is the extreme You know result of such an opinion and so at least is trying to be consistent because the extreme result is to say that yeah the room good movie because Subjectivity, you know But it's just one of those things where you're like, well You can't nothing can fail. You can't that's the thing failure success these things are based on criteria and Nothing can fail if you don't believe if there's nothing objective about it then it's not possible for it to fail In minted ways these filmmaking qualities that acting the writing the editing either contribute to or contradict a standard You individually must set this argument does not prove that the room is not objectively poorly made It simply means that if you watch a film in a certain way your subjective experience of the film may be affected This is why many fans of the room tend to watch the film in a theater It's so that they can enjoy every bit of riffing and spoon throwing which makes the film more enjoyable But no matter how you choose to view the film It is objective that the room has horrendous character work editing and story structure For a counter example, let's say the Quentin Tarantino's inglorious bastards upset several of its viewers who hated it for featuring Nazis this would be an objective reference Which the viewer would have used to form their subjective assessment However, Nazis fit naturally into the plot of the film and the fact that there are nazis in the film is not an objective flaw As it matches the time period the film is set in the person who disliked the film for having nazis And it could choose to watch the film with an anti nazi lens Which in this case would entail that every time the viewer sees a nazi in the film They pretend that they are nazis this could make said viewer enjoying glorious bastards more But this does not have any influence on the quality of the film or change what is provably in the film No matter how nazis make you feel and no matter how you choose to view the film It is provable that nazis are in the film and glorious bastards The arguments for both objectivity and subjectivity have been going on for quite some time now No matter what people take away from a film what everyone can agree on is that in order to assess a film You need to reference elements which are definitively in the film If you make an assessment of a character a setting a plot a world or a film as a whole You're going to draw elements from the text and your assessment of the film is dependent on how accurate your references are This is why objectivity irrefutably exists If it didn't then you wouldn't need references to make your assessment You could argue for a scene or a character which wasn't featured in the film But this isn't how assessments of films work If you make a statement about a work of art which has an objective reference It is an objective flaw or merit But if you make up a detail argue from emotion or ignore details in the text to strengthen your argument This makes your assessment of the text subjective since it is not based on accurate references Subjectivity is what makes art art. It's why we have different emotional responses to films books Did somebody pause? No, I didn't no Videos games and so but while everyone has their own experience Sorry, I paused it there, but I forgot I was muted Sorry, I said it was a very interesting statement that he made then He said subjectivity is what makes art art And I'm not sure about that. What's what's your view? What makes art my my issue is Categorically, how did how does one define art? All right, well rags you generally the um The one who looks up the definitions. What does what's the definition art in the good old? I will look up the definition because I think it is extremely broad In front of the most specific definition for art and I'm interested if the official dictionary one conforms to well The the dictionary here I'm just the google one that pops up The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination typically in a visual form such as Painting or sculpture producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power Oh, that's actually very almost exact to how I define it. My definition was a little bit more simplistic where uh art I would define art as a form of expression to uh cause an emotional reaction of some type Usually a positive emotional reaction, but I think I like the official one a bit better where um A separate or in addition to the emotional reaction. What was it? It was to uh to create something that was pleasing to the eye Was it uh to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or Primarily for their beauty. So I I think I like that like art is something that is made to be appreciated for their beauty or to cause an emotional reaction and specifically a An expression of some type usually visual, but not always See under that objective standard You can actually quantify I feel art On levels as to one being more valuable than another and not just a subjective I think you can actually almost make it more objective I'm not too bothered by it myself. I feel the same way about genre discussions I'm less interested in the broader parts of it more interested in the in the details So when someone says like how do you blah blah blah blah art? I'm like can we be more specific talk about like a craft and then we can get into that instead because Uh, what what is what defines a piece of art doesn't really bother me Um, I'll see this is this is kind of my view here, right? If you can objectively quantify artistic value, you can then Apply it more effectively on through the quality of something to determine if it's good on based on its artistic value And I think that's really important then I mean my position is that this there's a heart this is a we're dealing with a very large amount of things that can come under that qualification The staggering yeah, yeah, but but yeah, that but that doesn't mean that that's fine Yeah, a lot of things come under the definition But individually you can judge those things. Yeah, like I said, you can just things individually to how well they Achieve the artistic standard of what of what art is and therefore more accurately figure out if it's good art or not based on Um, uh, how strong an emotional reaction it is able it is capable of making and how Beautiful it is based on specific standards That'd be like a poll of how everybody felt about the piece from a zero to a 10 Well, not even not even a poll like like, okay, let's look at some examples like for instance A painting that is like quite literally three colored lines Just vertical colored lines That is considered a work of art and then compare that to the Mona Lisa all right One conveys something of far more complex beauty than another and so already it is of a much higher standard under that form of judgments Okay, uh another one is one it's a person And people are able to convey emotion in their facial expressions far more than three lines And so one is also able to convey Emotionality far better than another So already I think you can quite objectively state that the Mona Lisa is objectively a much superior form of art than the one with the three lines What if someone said they actually got more emotional resonance from the three lines than the Mona Lisa? Well, then I think you would want to try and compare it like because This is the tricky one. I think you could say fairly confidently that Mona Lisa is far better at evoking emotion in people than the three lines Um, I think that would be something to say. That's quite truthful But I would agree that it's true, but that still doesn't mean it's objective Could you have substantiate that objectively that would be well here what were essentially if uh, if 99.9% people looked at the two images still said that the Mona Lisa You know gave them more emotional, you know feedback essentially Well, they're still that's still their opinion But it's an objective statistic though once you've recorded it. Well, the statistic doesn't really matter Oh, no statistics are important No, no, not here. Not this one. Not for the sake of determining objectivity No, for the sake of determining artistic value popularity of a given Yeah, of an accepted or of an opinion. Sure. Yeah, it's an objective poll of what people's opinions are Okay Yeah, yeah, yeah, but so I was gonna say earlier Um, I think that by saying which is better is kind of or which is of higher quality Is a little bit too we need to refine that a little bit more Yeah, I think it would be one of those things where you say The Mona Lisa it's it's not enough if you want to be objective It's not enough to say that the Mona Lisa is a higher quality work of art You would have to say the Mona Lisa is a higher quality picture of a person And the three lines are Going to be a objectively those three lines are a a a higher quality picture of three lines Yeah Yeah I think you could compare them more like on a value, you know thing like for instance one Quite you could say quite almost definitively objectively one requires far more skill to make than the other I agree. I agree. It's of more value And is a more valuable piece of art as a result Value is subjective though. Yeah, the problem is no, no. We'll look at what you can sell like an artistic toilet for a billion dollars I know I know and that's just depressing like some of their prices are modern Which is just garbage is unbelievable. And I think that's a complete just racket that's being played on that side of things And so maybe not value when I say Um, uh quality quality. Yeah, I would probably call it quality then. Yeah, I think um Quality generally when I use it, I think ballers the same way, uh, correct me if I'm wrong But quality refers to adherence to a standard. Yeah, the uh, the degree to which a standard is achieved would be its quality Well, pretty much just on the base of technical sorry just based off, um Technical skill to create certain impressive art forms. You can apply A an objective quality standard on artwork Yeah, that's why um, but like like the value part comes in it's almost I'd say I would say it's almost universal To the point where especially in colloquial conversation without getting too anal about everything and too pedantic Sometimes you have to but normally you don't have to you can say that yeah Yeah, the monolith is better than these three lines because of the way that we almost universally assigned value to the skill It takes to do those things Yeah, uh, great. I was just gonna say if we let this video finish up, I can do a couple of um Well, I'll talk about it a bit more. Just just want to let it finish this Strengthen your argument. This makes your assessment of the text subjective since it is not based on accurate references Subjectivity is what makes art art. It's why we have different emotional responses to films books paintings video games And so but while everyone has their own experiences which affect their enjoyment of art It does not mean that there are no standards which are used to assess quality Standards and objective references are what define the quality of art your personal experience is important But it only applies to you the way you can discuss art with others is by arguing for merit and quality So when having conversations on art separate the objective from the subjective and have conversations about both But do not go the safe route to reconcile poor filmmaking or writing by saying that art is entirely subjective If you had a strong emotional reaction to a film that is excellent for you Just remember however that art isn't based on experience. It's based on standards and quality That is what makes art objective on all sides of the argument There have been those putting forward the idea that you are one way or another consuming media wrong Either those who find there to be no value in evaluating purely objective elements of a text Or those who ultimately think it's the only thing that matters and all those plot holes people complain about They don't actually matter a few minutes later. I know it seems impossible to watch movies wrong But you're watching movies wrong These are the people who constantly unironically say the things that the same group accuses us of saying and that it's bad that we say them Wouldn't we don't say them? Oh, wow. Yeah, that's very interesting. Our video was made by um, evan munro he is uh Currently sitting at 145 subscribers and I think that's a little bit unfair considering, uh The quality of that video and i'm not just referring to the fact that I agree with a lot of his arguments It's also just all the production elements are very strong. Um, I objective standards of quality in that video I would have liked, uh, I think I agree with shadow It would have been cool for him to of uh, it wouldn't take too long as well to just explain one of the down The pitfalls of everything being subjective what can happen if that's the case Um, there's loads of real world references you can have for that. We we know a few arguments ourselves But he didn't use one on it. He doesn't necessarily have to it just would have been neat to have uh Uh given a few of those examples, but um Yeah, well just even towards the end like and he basically did you know qualify what he said about when when he said you know art needs to be um I forget what it was but I question but he went on to say about you know the quality and objective nature of art Is an important element of it. Um And so he went on to on to say that that was that was good. Um But as to how uh treating art In a wholly subjective way damages art that one wasn't fully uh, you know gone into detail on And just because because and the answer is simply this art can be um judged On a level or scale of quality according to objective standards And if you then treat it all as objective the result is going to be Far much more quantities of art that are much lower in quality because you basically tried to throw You know the standards of quality out the window and I and I would say that for For us of course, but also all the people who you don't agree with objectivity and art. Um Not everything in art can be judged objectively Objectivity is not uh, it's not something that you can use to measure everything It's not a it's not really universal in that sense. There are some things that objectivity simply Doesn't it doesn't deal with Um, there are there are realms of things outside of objectivity. So it isn't a failure of objective criticism because it can't uh be used to Judge and analyze things that are subjective So don't feel like if you're in a discussion with somebody that you need to use objective measurement in order to Um, yeah to that you have to apply it to something where it's not appropriate You know, you wouldn't use geology to study, you know Yeah, something in the realm of dendrochronology or something like that It has its place and has its uses Don't but basically don't get tricked into applying it into things where it doesn't need to be applied See, I actually tend to believe that Technically everything is objective But some are so conscious that it's hard that it's impossible to define Uh exact terms like I keep me out for instance like if I could understand a person's personality perfectly in every way Okay, I could create a work of art based on their like like what I know would trigger their emotion a bit more Like if um, for instance, if it's a father who loves being father That would kind of give me a certain insight of you know an image of a father saving his children would evoke strong emotions with this individual And I could you know Make a work of art that conforms to very specific objective standards to that individual that would result in him Having a very strong emotional attachment and like for something I make even if he couldn't break down Exactly why he's having such a strong emotional attachment to it And it would work really well for people of that mindset wouldn't work universally because everyone's different But if you could understand everyone individually you could cater things to a multitude of objective standards It's just impossible to know what all those many different standards are on an individual basis on the you know macro scale Well, the issue there is that it would still be his emotional reaction Which is going to be subjective I actually feel emotional reactions are objective But we don't necessarily know what they all are because they're so You know, I know some conscious elements to it. Okay. Sorry. Yeah The feeling itself is still it it is objective whether or not it exists or not That's different than it is still something that is subjective Well, see I feel there are always causes objective causes for people's emotional reactions And even if they're hard to understand and we might not know them if we could know them I think we'd always find a reason for it Yeah, there could be a reason for something that's still subjective You sure Like I explain a is there a way to elaborate on there? There is there is a reason that Uh, my favorite color is blue for instance, right? So if someone's favorite color is blue, right? Now there is a reason for it, right? Having to do with genetics or anything like that. Sure, but it's still their preference. It's still what they prefer It isn't based off of objective criteria Well, no, however, it's objective that it is their favorite color Yeah, no, but if you could break down the Everything to the most perfect understanding even on a psychological level of the, you know, whatever chemicals going on in the brains To cause you to like that color. Those are the objective standards that it do exist cause that result It's a bit of um the words are being so like How good this particular thing is someone says well, it's amazing because I like birds and there's birds in it Like that's the totally subjective reason the next person is going to be completely different on that and the next person Is going to be completely different on that when we say objective It's like something that doesn't get denied for the next person like a reality whether or not there's birds in there Sure, that's that's that's a thing but whether or not the birds being there makes it a good thing What are you basing that on? Like that that's just your personal preference and even if it's to the micro degree it'll change with every single person Then that just means that the re that just means there are objective reasons for why something is subjective So everything is objective I don't think so to some kind of entity that could detect every single operation in every single way maybe I don't think that's all that's that's actually kind of how I look at it even to that extremely broad scale So you would say that everything is objective There's no subjectivity doesn't exist No, no, no, I would say everything can be viewed upon in a subjective way But that never undermines the objective nature of what or why things are or why they they do the things they do are you talking in like a methodological naturalist kind of way Yeah, more specifically like you like in what instance The one that you described about color like there are there are impulses in my brain Oh, it's a thing I I don't know What causes someone to like a certain color like if it is a chemical thing in the brain or what there could be So many reasons to cause someone to like a certain color over another I have no idea what they are, but I do tend to believe that there are specific reasons that cause it Well, the there could be a difference between the the reason Could be objective, but it can produce a subjective result When you say subjective results What do you mean by that is in a result the only reason that it it's it is our preference Even if it's even even if that comes through in a measurable way That doesn't mean that it's not at the end of the day still just our subjective If there are specific reasons to cause it that means if another person has Performs to those exact same standards the results wouldn't be that they like a different color Those standards are whatever causes them to like the color Okay, they become the standards that cause people to like the color and if you duplicate those standards Whatever they are it's a chemical thing in the brain or whatever in another person That would achieve the same result and therefore it would be an objective result not a subjective result No, because subjective is based on or influenced by personal feelings tastes or opinions That's the definition Yeah, but we've read but like again I and I think we're coming down to just maybe what we're defining it a bit differently because Their person's tastes preferences and even opinions in my mind All ultimately have objective causes even if we don't know they are and can't define them If you don't know what they are Can you be confident in saying that they are objective causes? I would say I can be confident in it because that is how we See generally how nature works overall like when you know cause and effect Something causes something else. Okay. Um, and so I have not been given any reason to not believe that to this point I'm not saying it could be wrong But just by general understanding of nature There this is just the way I want to kind of view, you know the world is that that's why I almost fall into a viewpoint of Everything has a reason and cause and it's always so So how could anything be subjective? Because people can have opinions on things that aren't correct So everything can be viewed subjectively But that doesn't change the objective nature of those things or how they came to me So people can have subjective opinions How is the arrival of those subjective opinions different than the arrival on favorite color? Okay, for instance say Someone has an opinion that the moon is made of cheese That's subjective because the moon is not made of cheese. Okay But the things that cause them to reach that opinion Okay, whatever chemical the way they process the learning thing would be things that you could quantify objectively is my view So how is that different from the color one? it's not But the differences is I'm sorry the differences is one core objective things Objective stands that cause one result is an opinion that's accurate and another cause an opinion that's inaccurate And if it's inaccurate That machine is not accurate But those are still both subjective The opinion the opinions are you can still be subjected. It could be inaccurate like in terms of it's true that that's their opinion But how they got to their opinion is like if you have is this going to be about Objectivity coming down to because there are specific reasons Unlike a biological level why people have these opinions is that what makes them Object, I don't know. I'm trying to answer the exact I'll give an attempt at reframing. So like when you when you make a claim that's subjective It's typically going to because it's subject to you This is something that is subject to the existence of something outside of the object that we're currently discussing That's irrelevant of you um Like the the so this is just a matter of which specific example we use Right. All right. So favorite color is Sub subjective or not subjective Okay, so I would generally say I mean the fact that well just the fact that you say to you is Subjective well no objective that it's the case, but it's still it is a subject. I'm happy to say that but um The choice the the value system that's going to be applied is going to be entirely based on what you Prefer and I know it's funny me saying this because that's what they say about the whole our our systems for um Objective, but like it just gets thrown out the window when there's plenty of films We all the things we like that we consider to be objectively failing And they're failing based on standards that are like intrinsic to storytelling or whatever current craft we're looking at. Um That's that's so I was saying that I enjoyed this. So if someone says I Excuse, excuse me. If someone says I enjoy this film then it Is based then is that subjective because it fits in perfectly with their personal standards for whether or not that film is good or not Or whether or not they enjoy it depends on how they qualify. I guess if they want to Well, um, if the standard if someone watches a movie regardless of its quality and they say I like that movie Then that criteria Is that they're using is did this film? You know, did I enjoy this film? And if yes, I did then it conforms to the criteria which makes it Which would be subjective right so can anything be subjective if we use that as a measurement Wait, he can any objective Well, no, it was like I'm asking it's objective to their standard that the standard is simply did they like it or not? Right, and I guess what you're saying is they came out they felt good and they were like therefore I like this film Right, so it so is this is is the confusion here that we're using I I think it does come down to the whole it is objectively true that they did Enjoy it but that enjoyment is subjective. So they're the only ones that can really make that statement, right? Because we can't they could be lying they could we don't we don't have the sufficient information to prove that beyond their their word, right? Yeah, that this is the same thing as the the color thing. I use right thank So yeah, so I just I guess I was just a matter of rewording when I was saying I suppose unless there's still confusion I mean, I'm just a very interesting argument. Oh, and that's the thing what we're talking about is People are going to talk about this for centuries after we're gone I love it because like I I believe in objective tree and I love, you know objective truth in general and stuff and so like The moon is a Satellite orbiting the earth. Okay, that's the that's an objective statement. Okay, and from everything we've been able to observe and You know testing of it. This is true Not to say well, there's something that undermines that Before you go let just I'll squeeze something in there really quick. Um, it actually popped up earlier But I was distracted by something uh, don't uh The objectivity subjectivity thing. Um, I wouldn't get too hung up on the idea of like absolute truth It's it's got its own philosophical issues and it's not even really all that relevant anyway It's because everything that we accept and believe and can quote unquote prove is all tentative based on information that we have So you can assess things objectively and still get it wrong. Yeah, but you can still make objective assessments. So Always something important to remember. So even if you are talking about a film, for instance Even if you're talking about a film and you make an objective qualification On a scene that happens or something some aspect about the film And I think it's wiser to talk about individual aspects instead of the thing as a whole But if you talk about an individual aspect of a film Um, then you can you can use objectivity to make that assessment and it might it might not be Correct. It might not be true In some way, but you can still use objectivity to assess its quality Uh You just remember that it's always tentative Just so we don't get too far away from it I was just gonna say it's at the top of the description now a link to that video and uh, it's being spammed in chat by me right now Go subscribe And check out. I'm not sure if he actually has other videos. That's a question. Um, but it's just uh, it's just cool because like There's barely any videos like that. Wouldn't you describe that video as relatively bold? Uh, sure. Yeah, a lot of people would have issues with it. A lot of people would be Really upset at the idea that oh, you can't I mean We say in like a mean way that the room is terrible, but then you actually Look at it and you assess it and you use Here's the thing I like that about his video. He says we use references We take the things that we saw we all saw right stuff that we can independently verify exists with one another You know, they basically using in a very casual form of the scientific method to say, okay We we can all agree that these references exist these scenes exist And therefore we can all use those as a baseline as our as our sources essentially as a resources in order to Make measurements and use objective You know or analyze it objectively the use of resources is I think it's good rhetoric You know, it's it's a good word to use because people Yeah, that would get a lot of people to think oh, yes resources That's something that I use when I write a paper for school or when I'm Looking up for some piece of information. I we use references We find other things and we use those to you know to to talk to other people and point to those and say This is where this information comes from I agree All right, then Oh and also before we go I sorry just just because it's on my mind. Um Do not allow people to Del things into the realms of philosophical absurdity So we're talking about hard solipsism and things along that nature I said it in a meanie way, but the whole how do you know that reason is reasonable? Is there some things that we have to just Take if we're gonna have a discussion and exist together and That's when you get to use philosophical raises to get to uh, I uh the conclusion, you know, good old axiom Pretty much. Yeah, so don't if you have to Devolve into the point of absurdity about something and you can't make any references for it Then just say, you know, we're just gonna have to pragmatically move past that to have a discussion at all axiom is a cool word It sounds cool All right, I find it interesting how the whole subjectivity mod Mob can try and argue against it because their whole the whole philosophical underpinning kind of logic is flawed because you could only state You know, everything is objective is an objective statement that you could only try and substantially improve with objective references And so it's all flawed from the very beginning and like going to the room Right where that guy was saying the room is a good movie I find that really interesting because stating it's a good movie is based on an objective standard that it is a good bad Movie, which means you can only have that standard by having a standard that determines what is a good movie And what is a bad movie from the very beginning to then be able to determine that it's a good bad movie? and so it's just very interesting yeah, and And someone chas compared to every movie you've seen or every movie ever made um, I guess it depends on specifics, but As I said before you could objectively analyze things and be wrong as long as you're taking references and using them And you're not relying on feelings and stuff. That's certainly a step in the right direction And as long as you yeah before we had modern science It was a pretty objective observation that the earth will flat because just by general observation That's the first conclusion. Most people come to it's just when you test things further you realize. Oh Okay, it's not flat But yeah, depending on the standards you have to begin with and the information available Yeah, you can absolutely reach incorrect conclusions by following an objective, you know way of thinking Just you don't just all of your five all of your findings are But you use objectivity to get closer and closer to the truth Sometimes you can nail it down basically Right as much as you possibly can especially when you have a very set especially with films You have a set amount of resources to pull from and there's just there's it doesn't go on forever There's a very finite amount of stuff to pull from so a lot of times you could really bang it, you know Uh, which there we go pretty much pushes me into the whole like should we begin the super chats which are um There's a few Because there's a whole bunch from last time that we didn't quite get to And then I got you but I I do need to finish this up before it gets to like give me about 10 minutes and then I'll go for it I'll I'll keep any of that referred directly to you All right. I got you. Uh, I'll be uh, right back very well. Um shad. What would you like to do now? You're obviously one sticking around for now and uh We'll let's do some of the super chats. Well, so this is the the thing the one I'm going to read them they're essentially in order and so These are the ones from last time. Um, but obviously you're welcome to Jump in whenever you want and uh You can take me a while to get through these but you're welcome to leave whatever you want But any of the ones that are directed at you I will keep like uh, we had the bunch at the beginning of this dream awesome I'm going to start with the Streamlabs ones if I can just get the right date All right. Oh, this is a whole bunch. I've got so many to read best get started Thanos I solved 50 of crime. What did it cost only 13? I get it Very clever using marvel references now, huh? Moeller have you seen chef? I have no idea what that is Chef with two f's does that sound familiar at all? I don't know Uh sounds like a Netflix special I mean, yeah, it could be So episode nine twist a dark figure appears from the aether and defeats palpatine with such ease that it demoralizes ray and crew due to the unspeakable power of the shrouded and mysterious individual The being looks upon ray its long eye stalks extended far beyond the realm of shadow blinking one Yellow slitted eye at a time the creature from the gloom speaks in a voice Not of this world one so shrill and deafening it causes our valiant heroes to fall to their knees in anguish Yous are gonna have a bad time. Yous are gonna bow to misa Ray fighting to cling to his sanity cries out at her foe Who what are you? The creature begins to emit a tittery laugh misa the true dark lord misa have many names But you may call me A long pause fills the entirety of the room Every second that passes fills our crew with so much despair that their very sanity begins to teeter on the knife's edge It feels as if the universe itself has come to sudden to a sudden halt But as suddenly as the creature came it then vanishes as the robed figure steps from the shadows Arms wide with a wicked yellow toothy filled grin painted from ear to floppy droopy ear Misa dad doth insanious insadious I guess end credit. All right I mean I I'd go for that at this point considering the leaks episode dies because I'm a disaster so Oh, yeah, I've been watching um, uh the efap where you go through the uh leaked plot Oh I mean if I like spoilers just because I want to comment on one of things if the if the force ghosts appear towards the end to fight for them Oh, I'll just lose like I'll be enraged. I won't be laughing. I'll be like this is where it's come to you like holy crap If I could you get anything that is more deus ex machiner than that like a literal god ghost thing appearing out of nowhere to save the era like Who needs ryan standards? It's all subjective um, anyway Post credit scene doth insanious goes With his tongue and vor's ray. Oh my goodness horrifying What would lord the rings be like if you just replaced gandalf with hitler same powers and everything just now you have hitler I'd like to think you just go around calling sarron and saraman untermensh I mean I would watch the potential version pretty sure if he was in that world He would be a very different character because of different upbringing and different different environmental effects You know, that's how it would work. Maybe he would really like hobbits and hate elves all vice versa. Yeah Yeah, I was gonna say for the eights hobbits, but you know, he didn't like the abnormal people. I don't know um Jay long bone needs to be decolonized when she's using the n-word She's literally denying the humanity of her black allies And she's committing imperialism against the black experience on behalf of the white patriarchy of objective media criticism I'm sure she would agree Hello, all my jay long bone words. Love you wolf. Wags. You're a waskily wagon muffin I'm sure you'd be happy to hear that. Good luck dealing with the motion picture. Roberts had let the lengthening continue Why thank you plays kylo's theme. Kylo gets launched off a platform and falls to his death plays raw theme Yeah, do you know about that kylo's? Oh, yeah, that kylo just gets dumped down a hole and I suppose All right then All that survive any did And in the end of force awakens and the the lightsaber explosion and tlj Slide all that just be thrown down a hole There was so many missed opportunities. Like it's unbelievable kylo could have been a fairly interesting villain. I mean Ah, it's just and yeah, there's a It's all a miss This is for jamie Hey, king you drop this better hurry the theater is 50 meters away and you only have one One three minutes until joe wait, so this is a message for a friend of yours called jamie Or is this a reference to something that i'm missing better hurry the theater's 50 minutes away and you only have one 13 minutes until joker starts Was I the stream for that super chattel? Was that no, no that was the previous uh stream Okay, so it wasn't for me I'm all I can't remember is school years clearly and alien push the button vader or voodoo. Yes, that's uh another strong reference Um Any chance ana could join you guys for the batwaman finale if have reactions and her reviews are my favorite part of the week Uh, we've had a lot of requests to have jay long going on for like of the finale or whatever the thing with them The format as it stands is it's really hard to um Edit with clarity when you have four people live reacting to a tv show Um, because you'll have certain scenes where two people at once want to complain about two different things at once And then while the scene continues there's more problems that someone else notices while the two people are fighting over to speak And so you end up that's why we've been pausing more lately I think is because we're starting to realize that and just if you add another person All it really means probably is that someone else is just going to have to talk as much and um So let's say it's a maybe and um, I mean her reviews are fantastic. It's not like she needs to be on efeb I watched a couple of jay long bones reactions to um to bat batwaman and Oh, yes. Yep. Yeah, it's just pretty good Um Also rag has been getting that monthly thrust for a while now. He's not gotten a single monthly thrust Not got a single one But uh, hopefully tonald will provide it once he's back on his patreon. I guess I don't know when that may be Obligatory you guys are still going Seriously though, I appreciate you so much. May your lengthen evermore. May you lengthen evermore there you go Um The frequency of these phaps has left me scarred and deformed Well, uh, there's only one extra one this this recently. It feels like there's a lot of ones though The less it's southpaw recently gave jeremy from geeks and gamers some fair criticism on reddit and youtube But he forgot a you forgot about the worst offense, which is the fumes of toxic toxic masculinity Wow, I can't speak today masculinity emitting from jeremy and his heteronormative car videos Um, they actually had a discussion Uh, a few hours before this e-fap started On southpaw's channel. You can check it out if you're interested Um sincere thoughts on the detriment to the plot of the eagles and northerings movies Has elrond and gandalf used some throwaway line while discussing their options for destroying the ring that have been great Nazgul isn't a good enough answer Uh, that was actually my stance with wall for me first discussed it. I think in one of the earlier e-faps I just said that I think it would have been much stronger to just have a line There's a lot of inference you need to do Um, which isn't necessarily bad It's just that um, there's to a degree. I think it's a risk is what we establish And we have to assume that the characters think it's too much of a risk And i'm like, I don't know Maybe it'll be worth it get a huge crowd of eagles have the important one in the center Just freaking go for it Bolts right to the volcano And or if they like did the flight in small little steps like they fly to one mountaintop and just you know Anyone see me well, I think they're safe fly to the next mountaintop Yeah, they might have been out again and that's why if we could have like, um a character explicitly be like it's way too risky to do something like that. I'd be like, okay Just just to reaffirm that that is definitely they're aware of it and they're very much against it You know as risky as going through the mines of moria It was risky as sending sabon frodo up a staircase into shilov's lair through kirith on gulls like Risky risky, um It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of the movie sahara 2005 starring matthew mccarner Hey, the plot seems very tight to me. I've seen that film, but I haven't seen it in ages Same I can't remember anything about it, but they don't they'd like to old ship and to I don't know sailing on sand or something. Am I getting things really? Maybe it's made a long time um But my cream has never been stronger. These are all these all these palpatine references not against it Howdy mauler and high rag is Maybe we should pet a maybe we should pet a lee avenge literally by deciding to use figuratively instead Hey, we can't save one. Why not kill both? I was to start using figuratively when we mean literally just to screw everything up We could do it. Let's kill the dictionary guys Um, I found out through the uk government memorial program last year that two men with my exact name and two other men with my father's exact name We're all killed in welsh god units during world war one And four with grandad's also since I'm welsh and I didn't know Oh Welcome to the tribe Um, I've just learned about a black debate professor in utah who argued to a stunned white student that space And paris france don't exist because he hasn't been there And went on to say that black astronauts can't be trusted. Fuck this gay earth. Um Okay, interesting takes from that guy. He's a professor Wow Um Response far from home and homecoming. I think the vulture was a much more believable villain the mysterio What was the latter's plan if after he succeeded an avengers level threat then showed up? Does he just not consider that? Well, he can still um do some damage Like he's not that far away from like the first iron man suit in the he has access to missiles bullets Sound waves shock waves and illusions can actually do some damage to enemies in terms of tricking them Um, so I think he's he's still got a pretty impressive arsenal whether or not He's uh able to do the things we we seem to see him do if that makes sense But you know like if you think about it, um black widow is you know considered good enough to be an avenger So he can still do some stuff, but he's not it's not gonna look as it'll it'll be weird I don't know how it would be difficult to account for it because you'd be like Why aren't you doing your blasts of green smoke at them? Why aren't they doing that much and if you were the creature he's doing it to You'd be able to see inside of it and be like what is all this shit There's a bunch of droids or whatever like it was weird. So yeah, there's a lot of variables, but um, he could still do some damage And um, I'm back that is I don't know taking care of Haven't had one as specifically directed yet. See all right All right. Hey finally managed to catch you live. Have you ever heard or played the star was old republic game? I it's an mmo the last thing that is not infected with the new canon and it's eight different class stories And first two expansions are completely free. I've not played it I didn't get very far in it I passed the tutorials on several classes and then got to like the second or third planet Before I started to get mmo fatigue because of but it was the in terms of the story In many of the quests. That was actually pretty cool. I heard I had good stories. Yeah Oh, yeah, someone called you waskily wags. I shouldn't forget that. Oh Okay, uh now we're on super chats from Uh last stream. I just did all the stream labs ones now. We're onto these ones. Uh, Hello, my is that the star wars one where you broke down the star wars plot? No, that's the joker one that isn't released yet. It will be where we covered movie bob and Uh, nando versus movies Okay Hello all my jab webs where the jab words. I wouldn't wish a movie blob video on my worst enemy also high rags Hello Strong cast for this fat boys. Jeb approves. Yes, he would Yeah, it was a good one. Uh my subjective opinion But covering movie bobs bad takes is the only things Is the only things efap one of my favorite podcasts becomes more boring than when they do efap debate episodes It is more of a choice to cover stuff, but damn Uh, actually a movie ball gets heavily requested Uh, whenever he puts a video out, I get several links people like oh my god, have you already said this? Um, he's one of the ones that have been more vocally against joker So it just seemed to be suitable and um, I think we got a decent Shunk of of efap out of it like I I dare I say entertainment versus Informate informative, you know Yeah, um, but no it is tough dealing with movie bob and that's fair. Um, and obviously if you don't like it When there's debates or movie bob coverage, you know, that's totally on you. It's up to you. Yeah Um, I agree. He's returnard, but not funny returnard I see that must be about movie bob Welcome back wolf missed you smiley face Wolf would say thank you He would um, this is scobby jew instead of scooby jew and the an frank chronicles I mean, oh my I don't know they did that scooby-doo episode, but they maybe Uh, this is a bad time to join the stream poor bibs What did we do to some bids? What did anyone do to some bids? Birds yeah, this is gonna be tough because we're delvy really far back into lots of conversation Uh, looking forward to watching this e-fap when I catch up. I'm about 30 episodes behind good to see mollow wolf and rags all here Well, joe somebody You'll be curious to see when you finally listen to be saying this If you do, um You'll just left me that I've been in a serious relationship for a while So I'm stuck here alone angry and feeling like my heart has been ripped out and crushed All that and I still have to listen to fucking movie bob. Thanks. You massive or cheers. You massive Do not worry Um It's not the best thing to have to listen to movie bob after An experience like that, but I mean he was defeated. He only killed mostly everybody. It's fine um But yeah, you know, sorry to hear it and uh, hopefully you got some some uplifting entertainment out of it to a degree Uh, did bob just blame shooters on single mums? Oh, no Oh, no. Yeah, that was a weird part of his video like The highlighting that this the the mother was the cause of all the problems that he's like wha wha it's like, dude Uh, what's this a midweek e-fap? Truly you spoilers also go watch jojo rabbit. I'm not gonna stop mentioning it until you do I mean I want to see it. I'm not against it. I would like to see it. Yeah Hmm Uh more than no not another e-fap my wallet can only support so many super chats. How will I eat? How will I pay rent? Clearly? This is your fault. I am so sorry You know look after yourself make sure You'll be fine. Um, what's the best version of scooby-doo in your opinion? My favorite is the pup named scooby I don't really have a preference. Yeah, I mean I just watched the tv show when I was younger and I liked it a lot Oh, yeah, I hated a pup named scooby-doo I didn't like any of the scooby-doos. I always felt scooby-doo annoying Yeah, they're fine. I like scooby-doo on zombie island Yes, the witches go. It's not like some of the movies. They're pretty good. Yeah Well, I mean, I remember like in the show that the movie sort of evolved from Um, but like I didn't care that much for the um the live action movies. I was like, oh nah They were goofy. Um The super chat simply says I nutted wonderful You know bob steen better cease this tomfoolery immediately. Otherwise, I'ma turn his pen is into a pen was Oh That's a terrifying threat right there Um Lund mohler has a kiwi farms thread most of them are supportive, but actually have good critiques of your style I'd suggest a read through What is kiwi farms exactly? I've never heard of that Some forum on the internet Internet forum. All right um Fair enough movie blob can fuck himself because no one else will oof We had a lot of vitriol for for movie bob clearly Yeah, he's a spiteful nasty person. It's hard to listen to his video honestly Bob is just projecting probably killed his bub. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness Go and ago tear his ass apart. Oh, she did. She definitely should some perspectives safe for j long ago um Movie bob has this thing. It's just it's bizarre. Not many people like his stuff when they they told a comment on it Or at least invited to Um, I don't know what that's that that's about, you know, it's weird You should check this out Well, the only thing I've ever been able to watch for movie bob is stuff that you review on efap I don't agree with many of his takes and he speaks so fast like Makes him smarter Yeah, like I I don't know him personally might be a nice guy to get along with but his video content Yeah, just from what I've been able to see, uh, you know, and it's only a little amount But it seems like he speaks fast and then he tries to fill out what he's saying with a lot of fluff And not much substance and then when he does say something Um substantive it's generally incorrect. So That's all I know Yeah, no, he's very unimpressive and um Downright one of the forest content creators that there is in terms of just like analysis content, but hey Oh, yeah, Patrick Williams said he was great, right always said he was a he was the only traditional reviewer I don't know what that means. But hey, that's that's true. That's the case Oh, that's a quite the condemnation of traditional reviewers. Yeah, I know. I don't know what they did to Patrick, but okay these um Wolf do not look up beowen's devion art All right. Wolf don't do that According to the sick chat don't do it Um, what's the meaning or law behind you massive? You can actually for this is this is a good segue for a little plug You go to the efap.me website It actually has Uh, where is it origins as a tab you click that Then via the alphabetical ordering you can go to m for massive And then you can look at the origin of massive it even has A link to the conversation. I think that that originates it and the episode obviously No, um Not bad Pretty pretty neat as a thing. So I recommend you go do that and it's it's just in the link in the description Very nice and clean way for it to be delivered Um, even if movie blob were to be roofed he would only bounce We need something more powerful to end him. We need to force him to walk upstairs I don't know you can do that Shouldn't there's something I think that's the idea. You just can't possibly oxygenate his body fast enough Is the problem is getting him to go up the stairs. How do we do that? Also open some Diabetes float Diabetes Hmm. I don't know I mean by command of the sugar around him he could sort of do like magneto does It's not so much the superpower probably as much as he's just a big fat guy Oh, I mean He's diabetes Yeah, but can you command sugar at your will you ain't you know, no, no, no, you know, no, you aren't a fat guy No, no, no, no, I'm getting there. I'm working towards it Right. Well, you're trying to like don't take it away from him. He's trying to earn this I can't take it away from him if you never had it true Uh the joker a misogynist serial killer whose victims are a whopping 8.3 percent women Yep, well, that's the conclusion someone coming to oh and hi rags Hey, hello I've only interacted with the film furor once he told me disney didn't kill off lucor han because you can still buy Luke and han merch and the ot Yeah, that's how that works Yeah, all right. Okay Um, lest I forget to thank the memos from last efab. I really I did appreciate the Squidbilly drawing showing me stuffing the guy into a funko bop Funko pop a box like I said in super chats Love the egyptian rah with the armband. Oh, rah's liking the odd guys. Good stuff Oh I think the armband that I had it did seem kind of like it was like it I was thinking it was like an eagle or something So I don't know. I just didn't know for certain Oh, yeah, he's talking about um a picture for himself like one of the rah ones Because this is from the previous uh Oh, right, right, right Why are so many people struggling with the simple and downright basic messages and ideas from this film? Why is it so hard to grasp for them? Because it's not complicated enough you gotta gotta be more complex than that I'm not even sure what I'm actually advocating for at that point in terms of having them understand it. I think it's too Maybe they just don't like the idea of advocating to be Kind to your fellow man. I don't know. It's like it's gotta be more nuance um But I mean it's still maybe they don't want to say there's nothing more to it. Maybe maybe they I don't know. I I don't even think I could say it's just like another state of mind. I'm just not familiar with You brave souls. I'm so sorry I had to suffer through any of bob's videos Yeah, we've done is it three or four now? I think it's three Three one of those three. Yeah One in the 50th one when we first covered him and one recently Is that like that? um Despite representing just 13 of creators on the escapist movie blob represents 50 of all body mass Oh, that's that's it Not bad No Rags where's your modern warfare 3 and gears of war 5 review? I checked exclusively games, but they weren't there Hmm, not sure. I'll give a I'll give a a note to him See how uh, see what's going on Also wolf you sound stressed halo 4 and the prequels and nickle back will help with that also haimola. Hello Well, we're saying hi my in Oz just messaged me to say hi rags. He says hi. Oh, hello How kind you wait you're you're who my editor is a good mate Your editor. Oh, is he like there with you? Uh, no, just he messaged me over steam, but uh, I got you. I got you We've actually launched a current exile server that we run jointly together, so It's not any good Oh, yeah, well, I like yeah might not be for everyone I think it's great. Why are you attacking him rags? Oh, I mean I like I like Stop it. If you think raw throws me why I have my opinions gosh It is a bad you're evil If you think raw throws movie bob into the pit of broccoli, he'll have to eat his way out and come out normal Oh, is that he's asking if you think if that would happen? Um Wouldn't it just die instead of eating his way out? I don't know Besides well, maybe his will to maybe his will to eat Would be stronger than his will to eat, you know certain things in particular, you know Like if he absolutely had to eat healthy, maybe he he would if you took away all the choice Yeah, I mean it's a survival thing. I don't know I mean do you not destroy the fat man if you make him not fat? I guess so It's quite the philosophical debate you're suggesting there Because everything up to this point has been sort of like surface level but that That's what that's what it'll be. We'll have a whole leaf out for that. I'm thinking um I used to like nando. I don't know his videos get got boring and repetitive for me. Also. He's good friends of patrick willams um Well, you know friendship is fine. I just um I haven't seen much of nando versus movies. Uh jay said he was very good So everyone can kick jay. I suppose Go for it He kicked him so today He did Uh cyanide is important for movie bob video watching I mean I suppose it's subjective as well. Yes the combo a nice cocktail Uh jay you lied to us kick him kick him now. Do it. Oh, he's he's he's already gone. Oh, yeah There we go. Super chat has been fulfilled Anna, you're awesome. Also hashtag I stand with vick Um I don't know if there's any developments on that whole situation, but I assume it's calm down now Um, I guess but I don't know myself. Yeah, I don't know Uh, hi loves advice to apply movie clips into videos Um as best you can we're relevant maintaining aspect ratio keep the resolution at least like An ATP. Yeah Um, yeah, obviously high high quality footage if you can get it um Generally the expression of the character that you're showing Is really good because expressions even if they're quick you could just boom you can understand it So if you can find if you if you're doing something because i'm doing this with the batwoman thing i'm doing now Uh In a number of places, but if you can find someone on the footage Who's using an expression that you kind of want to convey with what you're saying That's probably the way you want to go And if you keep it short like under five seconds, you generally never get pinged for you know copyright or anything like that And there are certain companies that are much more lenient with the length of clips than others as well so What brothers and lions gay they're generally really bad and they'll try and claim anything about netflix and uh If i forget a couple of other ones are pretty good. Yeah Um, yeah, because i was gonna say i used to advocate anything under 10 seconds, but these days Keep it under six if you want to guarantee you've never been clipped by The bot that's how insane it's getting um or at least is with certain companies um, but yeah, hopefully uh You know you can sort of find your own voice with it. Just uh be careful about the bots Um unacceptable tlj is trash I agree Fuck these massives. Can we have more tonald? We should have some more tonald soon. I think actually well we Tonald's gonna have to give us more tonald. Well, there's he's got a big backlog. We'll find something. I'm sure of it It's uh, I do want it. I like new tonald like fresh tonald, but you know, can you do? Oh, let me check patreon and see if he responded to my message. Oh, yeah Um Arthur is part id and justification He says he feared that the he would feel remorse, but after killing he felt liberated instead The bad day broke that barrier to transform him I think that's fair um The scent of stale cigarettes and moldy bree assaults your nostrils like a flabby fist as movibob waddles out of the darkness Oh, man, I could almost smell that discord. I was gonna say yeah, that was Almost too good. Yeah, that was pretty uh, that was pretty good um I went to college with nando. He was really wow He was super stoked to tell everyone at a party how incredible pacific rim was when it came out lull He's a good guy I'm sure he is uh That's what that's what you'll typically find with a lot of these cases is that they're Nice friendly people who just want to address their ideas Not every case though Uh laugh my ass off imagine being the kind of kajook That's supposed to be cuck That talks about pacific rim at a party lull can't relate loser I think plenty of people talk about movies at parties, right? It's fine Yeah, could be a could be a gal. Yeah What if what if my family doesn't like me talking about movies anymore? What if it's a party to watch a film? What about that? Oh I mean you're at a party. So you're being social. That's the first step On usuba the movie was the best movie of 2019 Don't actually know Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with that Jay get on the discord and apologize for your sins I got some explaining to do Jay. We should have asked him about that. What does he think about nando? And if if it's that he's made a lot of really good videos and he's just a bit tizmy on joke early, I guess Maybe maybe we should watch more in our case Rags dealt with this view criticism problem in his far cry for video View criticism problem View criticism I don't know what he's talking about View I yeah, I don't quite know what he's referring to by this view criticism View criticism problem. Yeah, I'm not a hundred percent on that one Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by that um Mola have you questioned the ethics of exposing your friends to all of this unironically at what point is it Literally torture also sands is in smash good and uh They're free to leave whenever they wish that is my logic Whatever torture they end up engaging with it's their fault Can we just get one critic that has an actual point? I'm sick and tired of people making up shiz like wow watch that friggin movie Well, I mean Critic that brings up points Well, I think they mean cover someone because like, you know, you're pretty good too shot, but we're not covering you or I We're uh And rags doesn't make movie reviews because he's a flim flam You look at that silence. He didn't deny it I don't I don't I don't make movie reviews I'll make an episode review. I got an episode review going through dad. That'll be longest shit um Then I'm gonna stick to shorter stuff. Let's get him done. Yeah, we did cover uh for the first time today We pretty much watched a movie a video in full And recommended them like we did it with ruby ruby. Fuck now robot head ruby bob. I was about to say like What is that? ruby bob ruby rose bob ruby bob uh ruby rob But yeah, you know, uh evan munro made some points There you go. Yes, he did Uh, if if I had a grope groiper Black op squad a and a deep state intel agency at my disposal I'd use joker as a litmus test to help find and execute bug men everywhere Bug man, huh There's a lot of words there that I just don't know what the meanings are. No, I think they're to avoid, uh, the the super chat restrictions But all right Um, nando vs movies has broken e-fap. Holy mother of the dawn We've been broken several times. We usually recover though. We just need some time, you know battery charge You know, um, I guess that the last super chat was talking about joker You know, you know, there's the whole thing where joker is going to cause violence and stuff like that There was a freaking like machete fight uh In the uk at a at a frozen 2 screening. So It's just just just so that we know Yeah, it's everyone's aware frozen 2 Is a more violent is a more violent film than joker is jenny had to go into a drive in like What are you saying you're trying to deny her experiences Frozen 2 is officially more dangerous than joker now and we have the facts to prove it I like by the way that if that incident happened with joker imagine the coverage All that would be everywhere Um, yeah, oh, absolutely. Absolutely Okay, molo one upping cinema roberto with anando is a strong move the e-fap crew versus the tlj clique all out war is brewing Also, hi rags wolf and guests Hey that can apply to you now shed hi Marie condo looking at the original trilogy this one sparks joy Marie condo looking at the sequel trilogy This one does not spark joy I don't know who Marie condo is But yes condo Yeah, I don't know Kids wouldn't do this central park five I mean there's loads of examples of kids Doing kid things that can be interpreted as ass holy Oh, yeah, absolutely kids can be really cruel to one another Uh kids, I don't think especially if kid hasn't like fully developed a sense of you know like empathy yet for other people and No, not all kids develop the same same rate in the same way Um kids are just outright cruel. I blame the parents Cool kids on evil Kids sometimes I was gonna say contextual kids on evil kids with low time slash preference are evil It's with low preference or time preference in general Uh, I don't know. I don't know if uh I don't know if it's uh I don't know if a kid can't be evil I don't know if it's very possible I mean assuming you're doing a very in excessively malicious thing for The purposes of creating Evil or knowing something like that, you know, what we would consider evil like I mean a child could be Mentally like taking joy and excessive informants Uh, that that would be one example probably evil's many things. I think we could agree but Um Yeah, I say it's possible. It's possible I wouldn't put it past them sneaky bastards Um, I work as a psychologist in a low social economic status town And I will say the depiction of mental illness in joker in a town like gotham is very much on point These you put these youtubers are a joke his money for aspirin Thank you Rags tell us a 40k bedtime story money 40k bedtime story um once there was uh once there was a Lonely guardsman and he believes in the emperor and therefore Everything worked out well That's all you need. You didn't say happily ever after No, no, no, there's there there's not many happily ever afters and But you said everything worked out. Well, that was like the same Oh well for well for like in a social sense Like not for him as an individual, but you know, he helped the team. Okay. All right. I'm following. Yeah also high rags Hello High rags. Did you get the sword yet and what do you plan on doing with it? Not yet um Going to be around February ish that I get the sword finally done and sent my way Uh, it'll be it will be mostly decorative But it will also be it'll be decorative But the fact that it exists there and I know that it's Sharp and deadly in that I possess it. You know, it provides some kind of emotional satisfaction much needed most Most Albion's come sharp unless they're specifically the training type and so yeah, but yeah That was one of the things that I emailed them beforehand. I was like, these are sharp, right? They're like, yep You want to you're gonna test it on anything before you put it on as decorative? You're gonna chop a piece of meat in half I I'm certain I will find some way to use it. You do know how to um, keep it like maintained, don't you? Um, I it'll rust. It's a hike. It's not stainless steel. These ones get a high carbon spring. I know I have I I haven't looked into it yet because you know, it's gonna be a while till it gets here anyway But I have stuff like like I have firearms that I maintain I assume the principle is pretty much the same. Oh, it's pretty easy You just need to keep the blade oiled so it won't rust and mineral oil is the best And you can find that in like baby oil is all mineral is like 100% mineral oil And so oil then stored in a cool cool dry place and all that stuff Yep Yeah, great. Uh, yeah, I got I've got uh Cleaning oil and stuff of that nature for guns. So I'll I'll I'll buy something though. You know, I'll buy something That's for it and you can become a superhero if you wanted to protect the local citizens from evil doers with sword Oh, yeah, absolutely someone said kill a snake is like well, you got snakes in Arkansas. I think be pretty nasty A lot of water snake types water moccasins and cut mouths and all that Um Yeah, it said what do you plan on doing with it? Deco test cutting hammer question mark? It's just decorative. It'll just be decorative there and for personal satisfaction really Just knowing that I have it is uh Is a kind of value Um, hello efab you get everyone should I miss? Yes Hello efab you get one million dollars, but you have to watch star wars episode nine with movies bob. Would you do it? Yes Say that one more time experience you get one million dollars if you watch episode nine with movie bob Of course I mean, there's a good chance. I might entertain that in general And maybe keep an eye on him just to be like how does he react to films when he watches them to see like Is he like that uh, eric butt's guy at any point or is he just like neutral, I wonder Hmm Would be interesting. I don't know. I can see it both ways First super chat just to say Anna is cute when she's angry make her angry more And high rags muller and wolf especially rags. Hello sexy doggie Oh So hey, I'm just how angry did Anna get in that strength? I'm frustrated. Yeah, she definitely got frustrated And she got frustrated when we went to the second video and we got a lot of information from both videos to imply that like they hadn't remembered the film right Um, the second video was like everybody in the world is reprehensible. There's like no good people And it was like that, but there's like a seed. Oh, did he say that? Yeah fucking hell really? Yeah, we were like there's a whole scene about that guy. I'm a good dude. I'm good No, no, no in the film Oh in the film Not the midget. That's what I mean. There's a whole scene where that's Contingent upon what happens in the scene, but okay Uh, love joker love joker content hate excessive memory memory soft morrick twaddle love e-fap muller high iq analysis Star Wars girl is tight too. Thank you sir All right. Thank you very kind star wars girl is type two No tight two Ah I was about to say like oh What about the air traffic controller strike? Isn't that the perfect example of working class versus the government in the 80s? Turns out even according to movie bop's comment section that he's very much unaware of many relevant elements of things that happen in the 80s Um Yeah, what was the thing he says, um You can't have a person taking seven medications in the 80s because they'd be in a coma. I was one of his points Yeah, taking seven pills a day in the 80s that would put you in a coma like Okay As opposed to doing that in the 90s or present day. Yes, because medications are now much less they're much more It's spaced out prescribed thinner or something like that. Oh, oh, yeah in 1990 They they passed a FDA thing where the seven pill rule Where this pill has to be compatible with at least six others simultaneous if you remember the exact wording of the bill was cannot cause a coma All right. Yeah, pretty neat. Well, you know coma prevention act cpa. Yeah Um met a bloke who made the same argument about the layer seen in tlj making the case that they are not really humans And that space installs doesn't have the same effects on living beings as in our own Yeah, okay This may this scene makes sense if we change space And you might be like, oh, well, they already did because they have sounded space like Sounded space isn't exactly changing much of anything in terms of progression. Is it that's one of those That's like that's a movie thing. That's not an in-universe thing. Yes. It's actually An argument to be made about so like, you know how soundtracks Can't necessarily exist in the in the movie Unless it's like on radio So technically if you want to make the soundtrack can't occur naturally You have to have like some kind of all sound effects and stuff and use like Couldn't you argue that those things are the sound effects of the movie to enhance the experience rather than a narrative flaw Unless we have characters reacting to the sounds I guess That's true, but I can't think of any instance where the character reacted to a sound in space Yeah, I'd have to rewatch them and really think about it um But yeah, I think stuff all pack animals are dangerous Especially when they are protected by the law and booting one in the face or even grabbing one will land you in jail Really pack animals. What is that? Um encompass? That like pack animals like wolves Yeah, I was just thinking like what else do you think that would cover Also, wait, if you kick a wolf, could you be in trouble in the law? I If you kick a wolf the last thing you need to worry about is what the popo we're gonna do to you. Yeah, you might want to run Well running won't do much actually I don't know At this point. Fuck it. You've already crossed the line assert dominance Uh thomas eppstein didn't father arthur. I get it Wolf have you seen cosmonauts video saying the watchman? I'll save that for wolf The question about watchmen to show that Oof has pissed off a whole bunch of people but hey I just I know nothing about it. So I'm staying away mostly Oh, no, not the themes not the themes. Oh, and they're in my eyes my eyes It's okay themes are okay. You'll survive um I have seen a youtuber by the name of wolf on you podcast in the past did he delete his channel or something? I can't find him I don't know if that's supposed to be like Tongue-in-cheek, but uh, it could be a new person could be a new person. Can be someone new Maybe someone new He's the same guy who is now back and his channel is called of writing and rage rather than The word of wolf and He actually recently got monetized. So, uh You're gonna be kicking. Oh, that's good. Yeah and getting this very good career going. I think or at least YouTube going I really hope so you're telling me a femoid and an e-girl Femoid no less tinder to be evil an sociopathic dog abuser. Imagine my shock lull repeal 19 Oh A dog abuser Down with all dog abusers What was the sign you held up? Uh Dog eater dog eater. Yeah Anna stop moaning. This is a christian podcast Oh I guess when she gets angry Okay Yeah Wolf because of you. I'm listening to the expense not even finished book one and I'm hooked. It's great. Mola. Give this to him. Please also high rags Hello, I will and I'll hang on to that. I mean, it's not something he necessarily has to respond to but I'll just keep it from as well Was fringies moan in this stream or was that just before we started? um That was in the stream. I think I hope it was in the stream because I think so good fuck with that It was quite embarrassing for him Just just to point out that uh, yeah, we point that out for everyone or just girls absolutely Um on the comparison to taxi and comedy king I think those older movies are deeper because those movies have more time to get reviewed in depth and these reviews became popular over time I think that's completely fair. Um It's almost like people want to race to the deep meaning of joker And declare if it's there or not immediately when taxi driver and king of comedy have had decades for people to discover and discuss that So, yeah, I think that's a fair point Uh, were any of you considered cool in high school? I wasn't I mean, I I wasn't really either way for me. I got along with pretty much everybody, but I wasn't Really like in any super social groups. I sort of I got along with everybody I was is Pretty unremarkable. I suppose at least in terms of my Place in this high school social hierarchy, you know, I was just I was just around didn't have any enemies or anything Yeah, I'd never call myself popular. I was uh on friendly terms with most people towards the end though They were like, you know a handful of jerks that Uh, I didn't like and they didn't like me and they were generally more popular than me those ones I didn't like but on overall it was just mostly amicable towards the end So earlier on I didn't you know get picked on until I beat them up and then it stopped I was gonna say they encouraged you to study the blade, didn't they? I was studying the blade for a long time before then as uh They were always a bit surprised that I knew how to handle myself when it came to it Hmm I was uh Totally in more if there was sectioned off into groups It would have been like the video game group of people who would have like ds's psps and Laptops and always play on games watch movies or tv shows or just talk about stuff while Maybe there was sporting things or crafts or chess clubs all these different like t-trees They would just be like now we want to hang out play media and stuff Um, and mostly mostly liked from what I remember and I had a benefit of being a real-life longoid I was like six foot very early on so uh Not many people could do much if they wanted to do bully stuff Um, I could just fall on them and I'd win Really handy Uh, also Moeller and others if applicable thoughts on the simpsons movie It was fine. I don't think it was uh harshly bad or anything, but it also Is far away from where where the golden age of simpsons was I don't know if you guys have seen it have you Yeah once and uh, it was a movie Can you say that objectively? I think I can pretty sure Was it a movie? Um So wolf I saw that you found out what a map was on twitter still kind of hard to believe that godforsaken hellhole has gotten worse That's a minor attracted person. Yeah, that's what I stand for Yeah, I did no idea Uh kick j give rag Is that give rag? Yes, give me what I'm not sure Uh forget to uh forgot to add that you have to do a review with him for watching the star wars episode nine with bob For a million dollars. I do a review with him I don't know if the requirements are that we actually have to complete the project before he kicks me out of it But i'm pretty sure I disagree with him at most of every turn. I'd be like, um You know when you say this crazy thing, how do you support it and then he's like, oh I don't want to have to work with you Diabetes true arch enemy is sporticus from lazy town. Also j longbone has the best laugh I've ever heard She does have a good laugh There are a couple people who will be diabetes true arch enemies, but sporticus is a good choice Diabetes Uh maps I prefer to hit the road in my car play a playlist drive till it ends then search for a cafe or Whatever and pull into a random town burn all maps I say Okay Wolf what the hell is lord of the rings. I think you mean jeb of the rings Drew jeb of the rings Uh Joaquin phoenix is brown I don't believe he's brown, but perhaps I haven't checked on him recently Um, maybe he identifies as brown. Maybe I have not asked him It'll be my third time watching if it is in That's all that says it'll be my third time watching if it is in I don't know what to make of that, but okay. This one just says kill me I think we must have been covering more movie bob at that point No, probably mola. Can you please refute all the tism arguments when you make your video praising this film? I'll probably go as far as showing a montage of like When you get people making a lot of the similar Comments. Um, so definitely the king of comedy and joker comparisons or driver and then Um, I can't remember if there was like other ones probably just about like a theme compilation of some kind That'll be kind of fun, but I'll mostly stay away from it because I like to involve reviewers more when I'm doing a longer thing Um, fuck off back to your hallmark movie you massive p Massive p hallmark movie. Oh Literally all this guy's done is describe a completely different movie and asserted It's better said movie may very well be good because you can't make a good movie out of anything You can make a good movie out of anything, but it's not inherently better if he's got a foil or not It's just a different movie. Ah, there you go. We're on to the second video in the super chest now Get there Somebody please purge this bad rights exedo bad rewrite exedo Well, we kind of did by the end of that video, I think Well, what the hell did we do to deserve this these holes? The guy who the it was a guy. They were both guys. Oh, it's a gift. Oh wait, they mean the guests I mean, I was gonna say that star was gill and j long bone awesome guests Yeah, they were good holes Uh, looks like we found the Spell with a k. I was gonna say good So I think they want to go they're really for cutting uh, the proof read the last jedi Oh, I mean nando according to j. He wasn't a fan or at least he was only half a fan of tlj. So Perhaps a rune eat um Do do hey masses have you seen the bionicle web of shadows the animation is dated and it's cheesy to the max But I think it's a surprisingly good story I have not seen it. I have I haven't seen any of the bionicle movies I didn't realize it was such like Almost nostalgia for them a lot of people seem to be aware of and like the bionicle movies and I was like, okay Yeah, I I see him referenced in meme and stuff of like bionicle lore and stuff like that Mm-hmm. Maybe there's uh Maybe there's something to him. I don't know I remember the toys. I remember when they first came out Uh, jeez rag your monthly thrust is lasting a while No, I wish I haven't even I haven't even had the first monthly thrust Not even yeah, I think poor guy. He's not even getting his thrust terrible I've got man's got needs. Mm-hmm Uh, which team would you like to write star wars episode 9 nando and bob or ruin and jar jar? Oh Hmm Basically, do you think nando and bob would do a better job than what we have? Yeah, and I don't know God, could you imagine a movie made by bob chipman? Um You know what? Out of morbid curiosity Yeah, I was gonna say like I wouldn't mind it just to see what they do Yeah Nando wouldn't realize what's gonna happen to him bob would consume That man and yeah, it would be it would be horrible Chris cuckman you'd wear the pants relationship Uh, stuckman's anger at rich perfectly mirrors that of artha to murray. It's like pottery It's like pottery It's like pottery Hell yeah, I had bionicles axon takanuva brutaka visorak bogorak Keelorak zoomers know what's good. We had the best toys I remember a lot of a lot of those names. Yeah, I I could still definitely remember how some of them looked That was a rob by the way Oh Yeah, and yeah, I remember violent because I had them as well I remember vionicles that came out and they'd have a little new ones here and new ones there and kind of add to it over time Is this guy related to ryan johnson? It's a good chance. I'm not going to confirm it Um episode seven when jay longbone called jacob a pimp. I fucking died Yeah Jokebook, he gets what he deserves this guy's revision for joker turns it into a jeff the killer level piece of creepypasta cringe Um, yeah, there was a lot of things wrong with uh Understanding it was it was sucks right? She missed you missed the whole video. It was really bad. You would you've you've You'll better off for it, but that disappoints me because you know well with the rest of us Uh dodds the bullet Had my own things going on but Yeah, I I I hear he was pretty I think I was there for part of it Possibly, yeah, I think in the beginning. Maybe I can't remember. I think I was there for for a pretty good Portion of it. No, it was it was bad. It was bad Uh out of ryan johnson jj abrams and david benioff. Who do you feed to a ravenous horde? Of sexually aroused dodo's Personally, I go with benioff. Um So ryan jj or benioff I don't know ryan isn't He's a prick. He really is Like he's an asshole that dude's just spiteful Yeah, I'm think I'm thinking incompetent. Yeah, jj just seems um I don't know kind of yeah a little bit and then david benioff I don't know what d&d we're thinking but at least they destroyed something they made as opposed to destroying something someone else made I don't know if that's slightly more virtuous, but I mean, yeah Yeah, uh, I probably go with ryan. They kept the mess to their own kitchen, you know Mm-hmm I'd like to clarify my earlier super chat saying he's Described a potentially good movie only the high concept joker with a direct foil. It's potentially good Everything else here is aids that also gives you cancer. Oh I mean, this is the thing. I I always like those different kinds of premises. I'll give him a shot It's tough to make certain ones work more so than others like some of them Could write themselves to a degree, but yeah that one he had At the premise level could work. I mean a lot of people are looking to see if harley quinn can be the foil for joker, right? Um, maybe maybe in a movie without batman. I mean potentially sure So I don't know if that's gonna annoy Comic fans. I don't know if that's how she operates in comics or not I just I just don't care If it's like your comic book or not I know you got super chat. It's just says poop Oh, I've done that. Hmm Please bring back diabeto at least he was a good joke to la fat plus. I remember him sacrificing his food for his mother going hungry himself I remember him sacrificing his food for his mother going hungry himself Diabeto Unless they're saying the movie bob did that I don't know if this if that's the thing that he did Sounds kind of funny. He doesn't look like the kind of guy who would sacrifice food for anybody. Mm-hmm So basically he wants joker to be cliche and woke Oh, yeah rags There was this moment where he says like oh, so the girl turns out to be imaginary, right? And he's trying to explain this better. She's not but he also says like hey, and you know Not too great to make your only Uh Only significant character who's a female a female of color person is imaginary Let's fuck off. It's a it's a really bizarre comment and you could only conclude that it's like you shouldn't have People of color be imaginary Okay Or at least the it's right. She's not even imaginary. She's a real person. It's just he imagines the relationship It's a very Of that role. Mm-hmm And I'm like, yeah, just These people when they say these people are never satisfied well One gets that impression often Arthur went hungry so his mother couldn't could eat Is that something that happens in joker? I really need to see that film again I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember anything. Um, this is my favorite guest lineup j longbone ana and wags More poops Thank you The joker is about a guy who uses scissors and becomes violent Do you scissors? Oh, yeah, he does it's the Yeah, yeah, yeah He didn't run with him. So oh, he didn't run with him first Safety first good film for that. You know showing what we shouldn't shouldn't do we watched a time to kill in criminal justice class Fair enough. Hope you enjoyed four. I wonder Um rip boogie 2988 sad face I'm sure he's already died again. I'm sure he's fine um Last time I checked his channel wasn't going too well Well, he's gone through a lot of um fuck ups to say the least I think he's doing okay. Well, he's he's he's not said anything terrible recently dare I say I don't actually know who knows what we missed. Yeah, that's a good point I'm not exactly keeping tabs on him, but you know, I haven't heard anything and I usually hear about it if it's something bad, but Yeah, I've not heard anything Really terrible. Um Hope you're doing fine. I think it's averaging about a hundred thousand views of video With his recent stuff That's a bit better than uh, what he was probably before Yeah, that's enough It'll be enough to get by but it's a shadow compared to what he used to pull in. Yeah I think he's talking about a book or something. I'm not sure What that was referencing specifically Because it would have been in that video. I think jay is allowed very true He is a lot Yeah, when I get my firearms license in two months, I'm obviously going to go to an uh Go ice a fuck of the moment. I get my shiny new browning 1911 Oh, yeah, I can't even remember specifically. He had like he said that um Joker when looked through the lens of like a study called the trigger pulls the finger Uh If if Joe he says something like if joke is about anything it's about a madman being given a gun and then choosing to kill people Or something like that. It was really annoying. Oh, oh, so, you know, he kills people with a pair of fucking scissors, right? He did that because he had a gun right Oh, okay idiot Like you don't even know a gun's work No, no clue All in his head endings are almost always lazy BS I mean, I can probably agree with that. Um, it's it's nice if there's a whole bunch of plotting or Details that could lend themselves toward the idea at the end sort of thing instead of just saying Boom it was all in his head. You know what? Um, I can't think there's that a little lot of examples off the top of my head of stories that do that but, uh Not typically a huge fan of it myself um I also say the simpsons movie is objectively good I mean, I'd have to watch it again. I don't remember having that much of an issue with it Yeah, I haven't even seen it Came out a while ago though, didn't it? Yeah, that was like 2000. I want to say eight. I could be wrong Simpsons movie Doesn't seven I was close Okay, so this is this is a weird super chat just says hmm harder daddy. Hmm Hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, yes Hong Kong number one and then a clown emote and I can't tell what that is another remote Uh, I interpret the ending of joker as it's Ending where it starts with no one caring or understanding joker now delights in suffering and finds this funny I mean Yeah, it's pretty explicit, right the seeing the world Instead of reacting to it as it's all a bad thing Reacting to it like it's all hilarious. This all ended up this way And I think that's kind of having a great time nailed right in when he thinks about the child Standing in an alleyway with his dead parents and he says that that's he's like laughing Hey wolf, you see any bad anime or manga? I will save this question Joker critics the bad stuff that happens in the joker is unrealistic history. Am I a joke to you? I mean Seems like just a little bit We've we've done three podcasts on joker takes now Oh boy, and there's more to come so many joker takes really man. Some people just Oh He's don't get it Uh, stop putting flutes in your mouth. We put willies in our mouths in the us Is that true ranks willies what? Does he put willies in your mouth in the us? All right. Yeah every once in a while, you know just uh Keep keeps you sharp, you know Uh democracy is non-negotiable. I like it Giving you money as proof that capitalism will always prevail over communism's Yeah, boy We're going to keep it that way. We're gonna build a wall and make the flute musicians pay for it That was Yeah, because we had that we do you remember when we got spammed or does that not sound familiar to you? No, we had like um I think I can't remember the name of the spam account But it was a person that used multiple accounts and they were spamming this like chinese paragraph and when translated it literally offered its opinion on joker Which is pretty crazy and it was that is really strange. Um, I don't even think that movie came out in china I don't know theater what but I mean a chinese person could watch it, right? or Maybe that's the meme to be like a fucking american who's like i'm gonna Translate my view into chinese and spam it on efab just to get them to be curious enough to read it I mean it worked yes, he was um someone made a meme about like If a flute man who was that account and uh, he's already made it made it into that big uh meme picture Yeah The length of efab has allowed me to flex on my friends in ways. I never thought possible Thank you for making the 10 hour work days so much faster No problemo Oh, you bet. I'm glad it helps it go through quicker We need a mod bot named liberty prime who deletes flute musician better dead than red I remember liberty prime. Oh wait. No, sorry. Is that about four because there was a robot in uh Yeah, they do them in both three and four Wait, what is fluke saying anyway? Is he a commie? He was reviewing joker Reviewing joker kick the floutist and j Oh, he got kicked eventually j rah go get rah's pagoda rooftop honestly though spamming a chat to get your support That loses your support if anything They didn't think that through though when you get like You're brand new on let's say twitch and you're streaming for zero viewers You might be like if I spam my link into somebody's chat I might just get enough of them to be curious enough to click on it and one viewer is better than zero so it's worth it So it's like Oh, I can see why you have zero viewers in the leaf I mean if you have an amazing stream stream, you might actually be able to get a fan that way But I wouldn't recommend it. It's extremely Ass holy, it's not organic, you know, maybe the way it's supposed to be Um Helicopter the flute commies bill friebo hong kongings Bill friebo hong konging Rah forget the roof through the wait Rah forget the roof through the china man off the wall. Oh I get it. Oh, yeah, let's say throw the china man. But yes, you can't see Like a very long roof Oh, yeah, yeah, if you if you have strong enough you can throw him really high off it and then the the resulting landing will get quite a bit You can't seize the memes of production very true Ending of the beginning. He means the middle. It's all the middle Indeed it is meant to say throw. Oh, there you go Uh, I feel like this guy is the kind of guy who would like the twilight movies Oh, nando. I don't know. Maybe Only if they did him his way I for the record am not the flute musician. I believe you now Hello fellow humans free king kong. Epstein did nothing wrong I think those are the memes Uh, go to the dentist nando your teeth are yellow. Well, well I don't know. You can get some teeth white stuff now You know, it's it's not over if they yellow you can do some stuff. Um anti e-faps assemble my goodness One punch was soiled from that point on forever after. Oh, yeah, he said that uh Yeah, yeah, so he had an ad rags where he said that um, yeah He's on this like website where you can get his content earlier than on youtube and I was like, okay And he said that there's this if you subscribe to this website, you get access to this other thing And it's a thing where there are content creators that are making like This the way he described it Was like there'll be a topic and then everyone will make a video for it And you can watch them all together at once and he said the one they just did was talking about the best title sequences In like tv shows and the one he did was one punch man And like the creators he referenced were like just right patrick williams. He was like no no no I was Let's say yeah, they do it a lot of collaborative stuff. It's like oh, that's that's kind of cool You know good for you guys. Keep it up. Yeah Um, are those guys y'all's legion of doom a little bit. Yeah a little bit They're not blinking. It's a trap. He's trying to turn more people into nandroids robot youtubers rising up I mean Do you really think an android would hold the opinions that he does? Come on now Give androids a little bit more credit um Wanted to thank efap and mohler your videos have showed me how to better justify my arguments have evidence in the script And a well-worded delivery as a sound design student. It's been so useful I'm glad for that. Yeah, that's great man. Hopefully it has been helpful and I mean you saw it with the other video we we put on We really like it when videos just got high production values including script writing. It's just like What a welcome release from the the sludge The only thing sinna blob said that was ever right was that ghost in the shell live action is not as good as the original I don't know anybody who's said the reverse of that. I've always heard. Yeah, I I I liked the live action one um But yeah, I could see why It's it Not as good as the original And I love the the show. I really love the show. I love standalone complex and second gig and Even a rise. I thought was all right, but I'm the ghost of the shell fan You mean you're a freaking weeb I guess if that makes me a weeb. I I haven't watched I couldn't tell you the last time I watched an anime though Wow, like I legit couldn't tell you I have no idea Why'd you hate anime? I just don't care Well, that's okay Um, you're right long bone. He's not tempting you. He's tempting you to commit suicide two drum symbol Oh, I get it like the sound effect. Um Just tuned in so miss the no doubt amazing joker takes can't wait to see the moolah upload Oh man, and it's not even up yet, but it will be The wait won't be much longer. Yeah, the people who are watching this live who may have missed that stream It's kind of funny that they'll be getting that one out before this one So it might line up better for them than a lot of people. But hey Them's theisms Um, I'm going to sleep now. Good night everyone. Also high rags Good night and Hi Hi and good night If you rewatch the rise of skywalker trailer, you can see the spelt forever as for the Why do I doubt that? One of them super high production things I doubt it. Do you mean like the first trailer? Also, how would no one else have mentioned this to us? Like the whole they would have spelt forever as for the For the over For the yeah, I mean that came from the account dathmore would dathmore lie to us. I don't think so Uh, why are we still talking about joker charlie's angels is out We're gonna go see charlie's angel well Yeah, I did Critical drinkers video. I'm surprised you even made it. I was like, why did you go see that? Elizabeth the maker of it blames you for its failure That uh, I didn't know drinker made a video. I don't I'm gonna have to watch that It's it's just like So bitter the um Elizabeth banks Poor poor woman just one. I guess I guess it's because if it is her first like Significant outing as a director and this might actually determine the rest of her career. So maybe she's just super pissed about that Yeah, blame everyone else my own ability um Wolf here's some aspirin money for movie blob very kind of you I'll appreciate it Uh, youtube gave me money for some reason rhino milks on me massives Thank you very much molla in america middle school is indefinite I get it The middle's the longest part Uh god school systems aren't even the same across the uk never mind trying to understand the americisms Yeah, that's what I thought was that uh, it changes even in britain alone us doesn't use metric system meaning uk is better um I mean, you know, you got to let them do their thing. That was the whole point We were like, hey you guys you go take that bit of land over there and do your thing So if they choose that system let them choose it. All right, it's not for us to judge. Isn't that right rags? Yeah, you wouldn't want to be insecure and Yeah, or closed-minded and immature Yeah Metric system is the absolute big gay And this is a separate account saying metric metric system is the big gay apparently a lot of people think the metric system is the big gay I don't know what to say about that Hmm I don't know. I like it I like miles per hour, but I like uh I like the rest of the metric stuff Like quartz and gallons and all that uh volume is a nightmare You don't like loud soup Loud soup I think is there a metric for volume or is it all like Like decibels. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's probably more to it than that as well Yeah, maybe My elementary school was kindergarten to fourth grade then I went to an intermediate school Which was fifth and sixth grade then middle school, which was seventh and eighth and finally four years of high school Wow, all right um Alice kills her man. I'm calling it Oh, do you mean dodgson? Oh my god rags if we're doing the finale for alice's storyline, we might not even see dodgson now No, he's captured surely. I hope he's still in this. I need the end to dodgson's story. He's my favorite. Yeah I gotta know how is Our thing I need him to I need him to say to jacob. You know what the crows aren't even really that bad It's just my inner conflict. I need that I gotta figure out just their their relationship and their motivation and they're deep and Carefully explored back stories and flesh out just what they're doing and why and we're never gonna Such good show Uh, I think I think the rifle said he was working for sophia. Maybe sophia karmine coming in soon Also calling that christopher fistifer was framed Uh Well, yeah, we know he was oh, you mean framed originally. It's possible. He was called the fist in the um The executioner episode Um, this is the thing about luke's trouble. Does he know that that guy killed His dad because if he doesn't know it for sure and it was actually like just decided upon by the prosecutor who Apparently prosecuted innocent people. You might want to be like did the guy actually do it or not? You know because he's like sad that the guy got out of prison or might do through a retrial Like beluc if this was a show and that was far better developed and characters that we gave a shit about then Man, that could have actually been something we cared about. Yeah, but Never mind. Have you seen any batwoman's chat like uh yourself or you only seen videos about it? I don't want to harm myself that much just yet, but I have been enjoying the commentaries on them And that has not made me want to watch it anymore. Have you have you seen our commentaries on them? Some of them not not all of them and There's not a single episode that hasn't essentially made us laugh out loud with a some form of an explosion or something Yeah, it's really really bad. That's the worst shot at the scene I'm really hoping that the next set of episodes they've been approved to film Are gonna be even worse because these are more on a timeline than the other ones where they first started and maybe had more I'm just I'm just hoping they rushed and they do even worse. Please Give me all those laws Uh I think the rifle said he was oh, yeah, so yeah, so fia Could be the replacement bad guy once uh, alice has put in jail or arcom. I'm almost certain. Alice is going to arcom Schools, yeah, I don't think they're gonna. Yeah, I don't think they'll kill her Spent too much time trying to make us sympathize with that psychopathic murderer. Mm-hmm Schools differ on a state-by-state basis that makes sense Yeah, uh, yes all my best youtubers at the same time. Hello wolf. So great to see you again Hope you're doing great. I have to go to work now. So here's some of the money I earned without tax knowing about it All right And uh, yeah, you'd appreciate that About to sleep and almost done with efab 50. I love you masters I love the idea that someone's just finished 50 and they try to catch up to us We're like running away with how long these episodes are we're like Like you can't catch this This one's like seven or so hours right now. Yep I'm trying to come I'm tired. We've not actually hit the current episode super chats yet Oh, man Yeah We'll have to see I guess we got a Metals in the chat really guys again It didn't mean to it's this one's only been like seven hours. Yeah, it's not even seven hours bell. What the hell Wow Most podcasts are like that long when you consider them in and in and amongst other podcasts put together and added to the time Okay, so it makes sense Yeah, I mean if they do a daily podcast technically they're doing like, you know Seven hours a week. That's that's about the same as efab Um movie Bob does a podcast and I think it's either weekly or bi-weekly, but um, he his is like 40 minutes It's like 40 minutes We Yeah, I know we usually don't finish our intro at that point Um, it's okay. Anna height is subjective Oh, yeah, because she's like I think she's like five foot Um, or even less than that. I think she has to she said I think she said she had to have a booster seat Um In certain was it certain states or to a certain age. I think she said Uh, that's cute. It's because yeah, I mean, you know, you got to make sure that seatbel actually applies or something, but yeah, um Sure safety first everyone Mm-hmm He's the bell crying about Uh, I'll admit scrappy wasn't that bad. Thanks, Anna Didn't everyone hate scrappy or I didn't realize people scrappy I thought you hate scrappy too, right even though you don't know much about scooby-doo Uh, yeah, like because I don't like scooby-doo. I'd say I hate scrappy by naturally extension. Yeah Scrappy was a piece of shit Come on like scooby-doo was so damn predictive Predictable and the animation of the original was so crap where I was always side chops moving just left or right and everything Oh Why are you attacking our opinions? The the monster just happened to be the only one person that we met right before we went into this movie Yeah, like they they're entered the cave or whatever. This is creepy all bad. It's just like oh, there's a ghost in there Go in there. It's dangerous and then turns out to be him. You know, oh, man. Winkle bottom. What do you do? Winkle bottom Like sometimes I just get the feeling kids watch Stuff because it's there and they have no real, you know Instead I don't know like my kids watch even today some of the crap they watch on youtube. I'm like Wow Even scrooby-doo is better than this Well, uh, a lot of you know, you they do that thing right where you go. I watched this since I was a kid I don't actually know if it's as good as I remember. That's a little thing we often say They're like four seconds in you're like, oh god. Oh jays Oh, no, I was dumb I was a dumb kid Can we get a puppy power from Anna, please? Oh, I mean I can ask you the next time she comes on A bit of a strange one, but I'm sure she'll be okay with it. Well, that's what scrappy you would say That's what I just think that's his like that's his that's that little shit's Stupid fucking catchphrase was puppy power. That's what he'd say. I remember I'm like, oh god. You're just how did how did you make yourself more hateable? You managed it And you know rags is biased toward doggo's guys. So you this you know, this is genuine. Yeah, man Like oh like scrappy to us is like Hitler to you guys Uh, whatever happened to that cg animation of mohler rags and wolf is dark jedi I believe we had the two episodes and I think he said he was working on a third one, but um, you can't rush genius And that stuff was amazing. So Uh, but yeah, I I imagine we'll get a third eventually and um, I'll be looking forward to it All the fresh art all the bulb bulges are from his doughnut Cockering doughnut cockering. All right Oh my Movie ball has been a part of efab since the first 10 episodes How is it taking this long for him to become a meme? Well, diabeto needed specific circumstances to be created, you see That's why there's only one that's why he's special Mm-hmm I'll just you know, it doesn't just happen. There's only one diabeto and besides like he really hurt wolf on the first time We covered him. He like You know, he knocked him out thorough, huh so You gotta you gotta take these things into consideration um Detective hamhawk was already a show called canon I have no idea, but yeah, I mean hamhawk is probably the name of somebody. I thought it was based on something It's just funny I like it The main reason he's hated is uh He became the rest of the gang also given 10 years j Wait, sorry the main reason he's hated because he became the rest of the gang I think scrappy. Yeah scrappy became the rest of the gang. They did a they did a later like secondary series Where suddenly it was only um scooby shaggy and scrappy and all the other characters were just absent They went there. Oh, I see what you mean um Yeah, that's uh That's a bad Also, give him 10 years j uh Give him 10 years jl He will be the size of a macy's day balloon also efap watts I don't know efap watts Yeah I'm guessing that macy's day parade balloon is a reference to movibob, but efap watts I don't spell that uh, well, it's wates efap watts. I don't know Fapp watts Uh, you know guys. Oh, yeah, go ahead Sorry, I might have to you going now. Um families are lacking. They're wanting dinner So it's been seven hours. You're right. Yeah, I wish I could stick around but dinner's here and it's pizza Maybe I'll come back up the pizza. We'll see how we go, but uh Yeah, you can always drop in and drop out But I was going to say do you want to um Talk about your channel even though I'm pretty sure you're you're almost efap family now, but I don't even care Oh, I appreciate that guys. I feel like family and um talk about why they should subscribe do it Well, uh, well, I had turns out I can be a bit of a longman too And I have a new series on my channel called fight scene autopsy where I literally reviewed like five minutes of uh fight For five and it's turned into maybe 40 minutes of content of what I'm reviewing. So Highly detailed contentic stuff about saw the medieval stuff and it's all a lot of fun. Hmm Have you checked out the fight scene autopsy videos yet? Yeah, I watched the um the tlj throne room one. Um I've got a lot of videos to go through but yeah, that was uh, you've you've got the top evisceration of that I suppose Thank you that like It is amazing how bad that fight is when you really break it down like into every individual move the combatants take It's like If you listen to the behind the scenes and I've said this before I just it just boggles my mind Brian Johnson said uh that they've learned the sequence so well that he can just Record wherever he wants with the camera and it'll work And I was like so on one hand they have not recorded uh develop the choreography well enough. I'm sorry but like Loads if it makes no sense at all and secondly he cuts it up Like if you had it so you honestly believe the entire sequence was down from memory by all the people Like wouldn't you want it to be one big long amazing one shot instead of He cuts around a lot. So it's just like okay interesting take But yeah, um, it's good stuff. Go and check it out. If I wanted to I just didn't want to so there Yeah, the link's also in the description. Thank you for hanging out for so long, uh, mr. Shad And we shall have you back in the future for more Objectivisms, I'm sure I might be back um a bit later on in the stream or I might not we'll see how I go But if not it's been a pleasure fellas as always and thank you. Thank you. You bet All right. There he is. See you. Bye. Bye. Bye. And then there were two I'm gonna turn off my heater. Is this getting Hot hot hot hot Okay, theory this whole stream was merely a ruse to get us to make bob fan art I don't think he'd like the fan art though I found out jack saint blocked me on twitter over the tax and pronouns thing and I can't help but share how happy I feel I mean no lost there. I mean getting blocked by him is not exactly gonna stop you from enjoying twitter or anything So you'll be fine. Yeah uh j Jay long bone love you vid on afro boy confronting abortion lady Will the efab gang and j long bone record themselves on a wrinkle of time soon? A wrinkle in time soon. Yes, actually. I really want to set that up before uh Episode nine comes out actually so Actually, yeah, let's do it. I mean, I'm very encouraged to do it. I just need to find the right time I'll probably talk to her uh Tomorrow maybe about figuring out when we can do it Um, that sounds good. I'd like that bring alcohol Gonna be insane Hey, I'm at work on the pooper when I saw your stream keep up the good streams my dude Absolutely poopy streams aren't so bad. You saw it. You saw it from the pooper He did he was on the pooper looking at his stuff on the phone source right there. This was a phone Mm-hmm I doubt he has um his laptop or his full pc and tower on the toilet, but you know some people that's the way they want to live That's fine Some people are big on efficiency. It's cool at a throne and you're done Uh, hey massives thoughts on equilibrium starring bail. Uh, I like it. Um, I haven't watched in a long time now though Yeah, so I don't know what I would say about it, but um, you rescue the doggo in the film So definitely already five good guy. He's a good man. He's a good man Uh Also, do you think the protagonist is a gary stew? I think he is but he has a good character unlike ray So and his whole point is that he's like what he does is is special like he's a He's very good at gun kata, right? Um, yeah, but he does get found out and subverted a couple times a lot of characters really don't like him And um, I guess I would need to rewatch it, but I suppose he gets through most of the plot Pretty easily. I don't know. Um possibly recall specifics. Yeah And female I did not see here when I sent original super chat That's the guy who said he saw it when he was on the pooper Oh But yeah, all right Judging from the double standards out there movie bob was wrong. There are no bad targets only bad shooters I mean, yeah bad He's certainly a just a bad person like this. He's like no bad Just a shitty person. Yeah, he's cruel and vindictive and full of malice, man Like I've never like I've never seen him like happy He needs to see the light of the dawn Then he will be free Yeah, he needs uh, he needs something he needs an intervention Can you picture like we we get the dawn to just you know look into that and like As as movie bob is writing his next review like the dawn walks into his room and he's like how about a smile for me? movie bob is like He like does the thing from the body snatchers Just points. Oh, yeah Um I am firmly convinced that if movie bob was in charge of germany during world war two way more people would have died I mean Yeah, it would be the inquisition style thing where you would just be like What is your opinion on x? Then um You better not answer that question wrong Mm-hmm I'm firmly convinced that if oh, sorry On three say knobs intro welcome. Hello and welcome to no bullshit Hello and wait. Oh wait, so on three say knobs's intro, which is hello and welcome to no bullshit You have to do it in his voice as well. All right. It's like oh, I'm welcome to no bullshit Yeah, I suppose we can give it a shot Well, I mean, I guess if you wanted it to get done together if you've said it and I've said it You can easily edit that together right? What does he actually want it to how I said it? Are we just gonna say it together, but do we do it on our voices for an impression of him? We do it In our impression of him. Okay so On three it's hello and welcome to no bullshit. Yeah All right One two three Hello and welcome. Oh you didn't do it. Oh, no bullshit You know It's tough to sing. I'll just I've done it separately. I'm pretty sure you have they could they could edit that together I don't even know it's uh, I don't even know this for me. We'll just to fuck around today Well, either way, hello and welcome to no bullshit Bannu makes fantastic videos He is some dosh. He's so smart and clever The surprise midweek e-fap also the two women to look at one for each eye. There you go Diabeto at full power versus three zombified ginger sheep that constantly scream Debates are gay and stop talking about my wife who wins debates are gay I think you're underestimating how powerful Diabeto is You're like Diabeto is very powerful. You can like craft spills out of sure that you are Yeah, he will ensure that you are freshly sugared Don't attempt to reason with Diabeto We'll be in trouble. Don't not attempt it prepare to be iced Let's be the doom sprinkles or Doom sprinkles, that's a sidekick, maybe Diabeto and his sidekick doom sprinkles doom sprinkles Um, okay, uh, wow, so I could be whole though for a donut hole Oh, yeah, then together they form the completed donut The whole dough, Diabeto and whole Uh, wow so many of Jeb's movies we've not seen now. We know what it means to be Jay. Yeah That's quite a fun experience. You feel very small and silly and You feel like you can't do many things right at all and either you feel like a person who would annoy no bullshit regularly Fascinating Fascinating. Wow rags has taken his time. No, no, he's here. He's here. It's fine. I'm here. Mm-hmm I mean, I know that this is referring to a completely different time of day But uh, he's here um and a happy birth muster e-man gameplay Happy birthday indeed. Oh, absolutely. Happy birthday Daily reminder that Epstein got nainade by the Clintons also rag also high rags. Sorry. Yes, and yes. Oh, hello Um, are we still are we on today's streams yet? Nope today's stream yet. Oh my goodness But we do have we we're going at a steady pace right now and we do still have like four hours I think we're going probably goodness. I don't know if I'll be able to stay up for I've been up all day Um, that's the thing so well as long as you're able to price. It's almost one in the morning. I've been up for 15 hours as long as you stay in the cool and just mute if you need to go. Um It'll work for me then, huh? As long as if you need to go just just mute yourself and leave because uh because then the cool stays active Oh, gotcha gotcha. Mm-hmm I'll do what I can That's okay. Do what I can. Okay Damn you rock'em sock'em robots. Can't we all just get along? Not even sure that's referencing. No No Uh, no, thank you for hours of entertainment and send my love to wags Oh Oh, he hasn't said it himself. That's a nice little happenstance Do you know the muck muffin man? The muck muffin man. Yes, I know Who is this fellow right now I don't know if that's referring to the second video. We did that was an end of his movies if not Maybe it was the no bullshit thing in that case. It's no bullshit if that is No, because that was on a different stream. I'm not a hundred percent sure of who that's referring to but hopefully that answers it. Um If you're is that your char character desk just curious I think he said it was from a game he was playing and it got drawn up Yeah, um, that's uh, yeah the guild wars Race the char Like bear cats Kind of really nifty. I like him Uh desk g mod the star wars episode nine in a nutshell, please Oh, right, uh I mean, he probably would consider doing that, but he's uh very busy lots of projects Um So we provided oh wait, we did uh, we did read that one out. That's fine Um elf elf on a shelf epstein didn't kill himself Agreed a fine rhyme Quick play akbar's theme Akbar's theme we need you Engage the most tizmy massive place I've ever been has to be the isle of man that or the celestial diabeto Jeb is objectively a gay leftist I don't disagree with anything a gay leftist I think that's just uh a slice of truth right there Uh, can we get an f in the chat Sorry Miles wouldn't lie if he calls us leftists. I don't know if he clearly we must be well I'm just you know next time we get called nazis. I'll be like excuse me. I am a shady leftist. Thank you very much I'm a certified left Can we get an f in the chat for the brain cells lost during bob's terrible video also potash? Petition to get john to change his name back to digital fear Oh, that's john cjg. Yeah Um, hey rags used to think you're whistling was your phone Never hit anyone whistle that well. Would you mind giving us a mini solo? Love you chaps uh I I'll actually I'll write it down to uh whistle later because right now I just ain't got it in me Okay, oh, but I but I am actually writing a note down to do that So I will ensure that you do get your whistle Next e-fap I suppose. I'll just I'll I'll make sure that I I during other whistles I will I will other whistles. Fuck it. I'm tired during other e-faps I will I will whistle throughout casually You know like you won't know and then it'll it'll pop up. Oh, it's gone, but but it'll be back. It'll be back Um, what mics do you use for e-fap? 80 20 20 for the both of us, right? Yeah, mine's a usb. I think yours is the xlr one. Yep Yeah, so yeah audio technica at 20 20 Good stuff very good. Yeah roses are red debates are gay. Epstein was murdered. Why couldn't it have been j Also, can you save my old man goldstein super chat for rags and wolf, please Old man gold old man goldstein Old man goldstein I'm afraid Unless I put it down somewhere that one may be lost to time Oh, no old man goldstein. I'm not sure which one it refers to. Um I mean old man goldstein a little chat list you might have to control f for it It was from zack gill, but he's sent in um, uh a few, um Really, uh, I will try and look for it a little later I'll have to load up Many for all of the uh the episodes and then just make sure I catch it. I think it's from the same one Oh, it's a man. I will try and look into it Uh, did I miss bob's video? I'm not sure if I should be glad to be spared stupidity or sad I didn't get to see your brain cells committing suicide I'll just take the w It's gonna say you uh, you can find your way back to it if you want to Uh, please get john cjg on the convo between youtube about writing would be golden Plus, I know his sense of humor would fit right in here looks at rooftop and then pile of corpses also praise the dawn Praise the dawn and yeah, um, I mean, I'll I'll give it a shot. I'll send a message on the old twitter to John cjg He's uh, the guy who made abby and the chief if he's interested We could give it a shot Um, I would kill both my parents with a hammer if it meant I got to see a mandingo fight between brekkine and movibob Oh my goodness, um I don't know if I go that far personally, but I mean I would pay a decent chunk of money to see that um You're in charge of a new buffy spin-off, but it can't start any of the scooby's or team angel or anyone else Works, what would your basic premise be? So There's a couple I would like to do I think the story's gonna get complicated if we set it after the events of buffy considering how it ends I might want to set it Be slayer before buffy basically and maybe make a story about that Or do a ripper show. I think that would make a lot of sense Um, we'll go for spike bike specific show, you know, there's a lot of options you can have and screw the narrative um And without going into too much depth, uh, I'd be game to test out a lot of things, but I wouldn't want to do the same thing Because buffy exists and it's great. We can just have that Uh, look up diabeto family guy clip online. We did and um, yeah, they have a diabeto joke. It's not quite the same, but it's um It's just pretty good Uh, what would you guys like to see from the matrix 4? I want to see it This is happening, right? Well, that's a question. I don't get asked often um Go away I don't want it either, but if you're gonna if we have if there has to be one. I don't even know what we'll make it about Yeah, because it's all finished Like are we just gonna see a different cycle or something? I don't know humans and machines working together Sure something goes wrong. Maybe a third force of some kind Like the humans and aliens of most and not sorry the humans and machines are mostly working together But then there's some kind of alien force that invades I don't know We'll have to see what they want to do, but I would air on the side of safety and we should be like let's not Let's not Um e-fap war of the tisms Yes Saving e-fap 69 for star wars 9 I don't think we'll make it to 69 before star wars. In fact, we're on 62 now We'll have 63 on the first 4 65 Right now it's looking like it'll be 66 for episodes with for episode 9 Which I think Is very very cool Yeah Um Every one of these movies is practically hard nut to crack. There's no source material Um is a particularly hard nut to crack. There's no source material. We don't have comic books. We don't have 800 page novels Kathleen Kennedy. No really this was recently. Yeah, I know she's insane I love the idea that she's arguing that it's harder to write something when you when you're not adapting it But it's like that's not even they're a pros and cons to that process. I'll have you know You're the one who got rid of all that stuff You're the one who said all the extended universe that wealth that treasure trove didn't count anymore And they're like, oh no now we don't have something to copy Oh, well, maybe you should have thought I had stupid Uh, Mola did you read my Diabeto origin chat in origin story in chat? I don't know Possibly not though. Probably not. I mean I don't remember reading the story about it in chat Unless I read it out myself. I guess um 30th season by the way someone euthanized the simpsons now To be honest with you if you'd asked me I probably would have said they must be past the 30th season by now Like if they're still going you'd thought I honestly would have thought they were up to like 40th, but hey, yeah That's where they are Please do an e-fap where batman eats toothpaste Do an e-fap An e-fap where batman eats toothpaste I'm not sure I follow on that one Also, you should play cataclysm dda and watch iron sky I don't know what either of those are Iron sky dance Dda, I don't I don't I don't know what that is cataclysm dda just a second. Um Um Oh cataclysm dark days ahead I know this the one that is seph uh zine tack reviewed zine tick Certainly sounds interesting. I have seen their review a couple times um In the dark future the soldiers of e-fap continue a thousand-year crusade against the blobs of house chipman deos vault Hey, we're still going after all that time bad. Yay Um, hello all non rags also book mary kill yourself rags wolf mohler what Oh, I guess okay, uh Wait, how would it be kill yourself if that does I mean Well, maybe it's fuck mary kill yourself rags mohler or yourself wolf mohler Okay. Yeah, I guess I follow so I have to kill fuck or marry myself Um, I'm not gonna kill myself. I guess I guess I can marry myself. I'll be self-partnered as I don't actually know I don't think you can marry yourself You could fuck yourself though Well, that's the pointless question because you can't even you can't even choose that option Yeah I guess by the process of elimination Yeah, I guess I guess I gotta And um, I'll just marry rags and we'll do infinite episodes of e-fap And I guess I'll kill wolf. Um, you know wolf dies You can and we're gonna We're gonna go and we'll just invent a resurrection machine all of our money and disappear into The Mediterranean and Disappear off the face of the planet never be seen or heard from again. Probably each just Fuck ourselves We can we can always um Dream the e-fap from the Mediterranean. I don't know Yeah, stream us fucking ourselves. Oh, yes Uh, which is stronger tism or the force Well, tism changes based on the person I guess the force does too. Yeah Yeah Well, yeah, you know, uh highest concentrations of the force versus the tism. I'm pretty sure tism wins I have to check with my scientists How are you strong though? I've seen so we've seen some mighty tism. Yeah, and it really does challenge your understanding of like reality That's that that's strong Uh Are you beautiful doggo rag? Hello Rags dominate arch and convince him mola is v Oh, I would I don't oh, they're so oh, man I don't have the skill. I don't have like I don't actually I physically I don't have dominant as a Uh discipline Why would you want to convince him he's the I'm v Yeah, why would you do that? That's the other problem I don't have that that necessary discipline unlocked, but also why Um, I still have free super chat. So I don't know if you talked about mandalorian, but I thought it wasn't good too much bad in a super chat Uh, I think it's good I do think it's mostly good. Yeah, but not perfect until I see the full season. I can't really be more definitive because Don't know where it's gonna go what it's gonna do, but I'll be interested to see what happens Um My grandma passed away recently and my dad and I have to take care of stuff I'm so lucky you guys were streaming today to bring a smile to my face Yeah, sorry to hear it, man, and um hopefully You can have some fun with these streams also musely. I think you will. Uh, you chose the objectively hottest hexkill in my opinion Well, I mean it looks like most people choose it. Well, yeah Probably not the best, you know, I think I wanted to give you some money, but didn't know what to say. So I settled on this All right Hey mollus since jay brought it up last e-fap, I spruced up the giant playlist look up mollus streams and look at info if you're still curious I mean, I don't mind someone making a playlist of like all streams that Jay or I or rags have appeared on like that's fine. It's just a lot of them are unlisted just because I don't want them Uh active on my channel And I don't know where else to release uh put them director said no sequel Director said no sequel. Oh about joker. We shall see I wouldn't call it too early Yeah, I mean I would if they've if they gotta make one Well, no, I'm saying like uh Irrelevant whether or not we think they should I'm just saying like if they've announced the director that he's not doing I'd be like that thing made a billion dollars like Pretty sure they're gonna be interested in getting a sequel out of him and if he refuses who knows what's gonna happen then Then what they'll do is they'll pick a new director. Yeah, I was gonna say like the the sequel film will probably make its money back Even if it's terrible, but they're probably gonna be interested in doing it but uh, yeah, well cuz the um What they'll do Is they'll because most normies you go and see this stuff. I don't care who the director is they just go by movie title So like oh direct. Oh joker two joker one was great. They'll we'll just get that again, you know Can you say he's open to it? I think uh walking phoenix said he's open to it Yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah Oh, you sexy beaches loves you. How's life? Pretty good pretty good life's going pretty good. Yeah Even busy doing all that good stuff and work done Having some fun all the good stuff Uh before I go back to work if any of you could be an avenger what avenger would you be and what is your team name? Not efab also hyrax Hello I probably go with one of the super op ones like unironically captain marvel. Maybe captain marvel Um or Thor pretty cool to be Thor But um the Because you know like the idea that you're like, oh, what about iron man? It's like, well, you don't need to be iron man to get the iron man suit. So Well, you kind of need to be Thor to get Thor Yeah, and also if you're iron man, then you have to Like the infrastructure and the business and like iron man is probably like busy all the time every day It would be tough to deal with Yeah, so And we're talking strictly powers. I feel like Some of them there there is maintenance and upkeep when it comes to the quote unquote powers of Uh iron man. So that would be work legit work So probably yeah some op like captain marvel or something like that scarlet witch maybe or And the team name would probably be tizm and I would make it stand for something significant Titan of titans of intergalactic space magic There you go Yeah Tizm we'll put on our spaceship Um I'm about to stop my snow shift but before I go wouldn't your next video coming out rags Um, I'll be doing dog bite stuff for a while until I'm finished up with um Finished up with this main channel video There you go. And uh, you've already said before it'll it'll be long Yeah, it's just gonna be really long. It's gonna be really long one episode Uh The first episode You missed my super chat from april 9th 2018. Please read it. That's creepy. She if you fuck it would be it I know you are I don't even know if I could access the ones from april 9th 2018 with the way the youtube stupid system works But um Yes, I surely will Peanut butter mayonnaise and banana sandwich. Yes or no Uh, no, I'm gonna say no for me. There's too many different things at once That's that is a no I'm gonna freak out my tongue and I'll have to calm him down. So he can't be doing that Um, how many monitors do you all use and what res? I have three monitors They're all 1440p um It's just a wonder of it. It's just a matter of as years go by you you start with Your one and then your chief o's And then you get a new monitor replace it and then he just If you either if you don't sell it it becomes a secondary monitor and then eventually they just uh kind of match I start out with um well Console gaming so I had a tv It was it was a relatively nice tv for for the the time I bought in and then when I first got the first pc and a monitor The tv slowly became the second monitor that I switched out for the console whenever I wanted it Then I bought the next pc and that primary monitor became my secondary monitor and the tv died I had two standard 1080p monitors And then we fast forward to now and I have those two monitors my left and right or the center one is a um 2k monitor, I guess shorthand which uh, holy shit, so Upper resolutions on monitors. I didn't realize how amazing I can get in terms of Use like so much detail and space. It's just like whoa Um, but yeah three. Oh, yeah, like it's like having the way described to people is like it's like having a bigger desk. Yeah You know, it's kind of weird because I didn't expect it to be this useful and it's super useful Oh, so useful and for working I Honestly my perfect setup might even be for monitors at this point because I end up getting a lot of stuff That's like mainstay on the monitor. So like discord and um Uh youtube sit on the left and right and so the center then becomes the editing software or the video game or the um like obs sits on the right when I'm using it, but yeah, it's um Invaluable when you're uh working as an internet job to have more than one monitor I die if I have a one one monitor system anymore Oh, I can't see anything help But like rag said it's pretty cool because as long as you hang on to those old monitors They can eventually stack up and become useful secondary ones Oh, yeah, uh you just like I've got three And some people do more Yeah, the monitor on my left has I've had this one now for I think seven or eight years Yeah, and you could buy just if it's not your main monitor that you're like playing games and stuff on You can just buy cheapo ones that are just large enough to match the rest and boom It doesn't have to be anything fancy. Just a simple monitor, but Oh, yeah, I'm I'm really glad really really glad I got him Uh, it then it becomes like a space issue. Like I don't have any room for more Okay, more left left right. It's pronounced as starties Oh, I've been seeing a status I don't know if that's right or wrong. I'm gonna trust this man a starties A starties is fine If I remember to pronounce it that way though, I might not uh ray actually is better than any Lord of the Rings character You don't believe that and I know so no one would believe that Uh rc not a porn series massive realistic war series books went into depth on the moral ambiguity of using slave clone troopers Uh jedi bad for using them Okay, sure. That's definitely a potential aspect of hey, you know, it's not explored in the movies It's just a given and you don't really think about it. But yeah, I could definitely see how that would be A moral issue Would have been cool to explore in the main movies. Oh, well Just how many times can diabeto vote? I'm gonna go ahead and assume Numbers don't go that high Um and he votes for himself I'm writes himself in Uh not my proudest fap Only proud faps on e-fap. There's no such thing as a shameful fap no matter what Um, I don't know man. Just keep it to yourself Don't tell it. He'll be fine gay Jay niggadius creamy nutspunk. Oh my goodness creamy nutspunk. Oh my goodness Uh creamy sheaf said I'm giving out n-wood passes in the chat. Does anyone want one? Um, that was like a few days ago though, so I don't know if he's still giving them out I hope the offer is still good. Hmm. Or he got some spares Uh death to the mpla mpla is the big gay What's the mpla? Um Let me see Uh The people's movement for the liberation of angola Unless it's a different idea about Angolan well, I don't know. I don't know anything about Politics so I'm gonna have to say that. I don't know who I'm with Yeah, I don't know anything about it, but okay Um, I've had some time to sleep and you're still going. Yep. We have that effect on the a bunch of people Oh, no, they know how to defeat the bts insulin Yeah, did happen in the storyline Free hong kong epstein didn't kill himself. Hi rags Hello Dear rags, what will be the next rags reviews be? Hmm, uh, probably I'll probably finish up. Um I'll probably do fall in order next I'll probably play that a bit more. Um That or modern warfare I just need to finish it. Yeah, I just need to finish it. I need to um Because I've got all my footage and everything ready. I just need to Do it But I think I've got my thoughts together for it. I got enough footage and everything um Tell me quick in that a jab in the head Don't want to make another jab in the head Tell me quick in that a jab in the head Tell me a Oh, wait, is it lyrics is that supposed to be like lyrics? Yeah, what's the song? Hey, uh, the smash mouth um Ain't the jab in the head or something I can't believe uh all star by smash mouth, but like what part? I don't know Oh, ain't that a kick in the head Ain't that a No, no like Instead of ain't the sharpest tool in the shed is like something something jab in the head or that's that's probably it I'm following. I don't know This is a show about internet wizards intended for in cells ret do naggins Very true. Wonder how Game of Thrones would have ended if Spyro was in it Um, I think he would have been morally against what happened in westeros Game of Thrones. I don't know. I don't know much about Spyro's a good, I don't know much about his spyro's Yeah His moral system and his code and all that Mola, didn't you try and kiss mundane matt once? I I don't remember this event Um, I'm gonna go ahead and deny it until further evidence is brought forth Uh No, that was cinema roberto Okay Rags, I don't think I can eat that much me want to bet Oh Anyone else get a wholesome vibe of hanging with a group of good friends and laughing about movies or watching efap efap feels like a family to the heart You can definitely laugh with us Good good good friends in chat, of course Post posting the smiley faces and happy things. There's never any negativity here. Okay. We would never attack someone's opinion It's gusting From creamy see you do the from creamy sheath super chat seen from lilo and stitch lilo and stitch. Uh, efap means family Um, didn't telsy gabbot say ohana doesn't mean family. She said it means something else more specific like, uh I hope You have like good times to you or something like that. I can't remember but I just find it funny Because I was like, oh my god lilo and stitch lie Does it hurt? That's the fucking super chat Live efap and efap meet up when could be chaotic Not out of the cards forever. I mean, I don't know how a live efap would work. We would we cover a video? Oh, man, I don't even know It would be maybe it'd be like, uh, I don't I don't know. I have no idea Maybe we could just have topics something Maybe yeah, we can come across a bunch of topics. We'd prepare get stuff lined up Um, I hope ana heard slash reacted to some of rars chats I think she did I she came. Oh, yeah, she came back on like some awkward stuff when when she came back from the last one Um, just had a person try to tell me that the new star Wars were good because ray was strong with no explanation Did they really argue that that's a plus? all right Whatever floats your boat as they say Um, here's all my money long man missed most of those streams. So I'm looking forward to hearing bob's terrible take later today. Hi rags Hello And yeah, it'll be out very soon within 12 hours ish. I think hopefully I was right flight from norway to india is shorter Oh, I think they were saying that the stream would still be going by the time they were landing I think Um rags have you slept with hairy butt women? um, no No, not really sometimes around the uh Front a bit, but no not really Most women Take care of themselves to at least that degree I don't though. I'm I'm pretty natural looking right now Just wanted to say please watch mr. Robot unreliable narrator inspired cinematography Ralph the movie maker did an excellent review of it Uh fringy advocates for that a lot. So yeah Like apparently it's pretty I just watched the crown season three and now I understand why we shot our sar family in a damp cellar in the middle of nowhere Do brits love royalty? I don't think you'll find many people in britain who say they love royalty Yeah, I I guess it's just like a historical thing like a British tradition in a way. Yeah, but if you ask any citizen, what does the queen do? They probably be like, um, I don't know. She waves You know, yeah, she waves Carry over tradition, I suppose Bob can't say shit because you were talking about scooby Yeah, if he said there's people made of our old slog. Think about where you'd be like nope scooby-doo A first super chat going to bed, but I'll catch this on mula. Hi mola and massive guest rags. Hello Do hello just came to add my snake milk to the stream. Goodbye and don bless Thank you very much or viper milk. I guess you could say else Uh, what's everyone star wars tier list from best to worst you may decide to include disney's fan fiction films or not in the list So mine from best to worst goes empire A new hope return of the jedi Then probably episode three Then rogue one Then we're into murky territory um Rob phantom medicine attack of the clones I do uh rate above tlj and force awakens Yeah, rise of skywalkers probably gonna be the fucking dead last with the way those leaks went if If yeah, if the leaks are anything to go by then Oh boy Yeah, I think I pretty much answered the question Yeah It's gonna be it's gonna be the worst if the leaks are an accurate representation of what's actually They it will be the worst it will be the worst Um, do you have a different list or do you want to carry on? Um, like what my list would be of worst of our best to worst. Yeah Hmm Yeah, let's see empire a new hope And then Are we just talking the mainline episodes? Yeah, and they said you can include disney on if you want to or not and it did it seems to be just like what you like the most Yeah, I guess empires first new hope is second Then episode six Then episode three then One then two Then The force awakens then the last jedi And then i'm gonna Yeah, I was just gonna say you're gonna it would you include rogue one and would it be above one and two? Um, yeah, I put rogue one above no Yeah, I would put rogue one above one two Um, I would put solo as between the prequels and the sequels Mm-hmm. I think that's fair and Assuming episode nine is like it is in the leaks then it is at the very fucking bottom Oh exciting that'll be Um, very bottom re diabetos getting his powers in the deep fryer incident. Did he gain orphan powers? Oh, yeah, because apparently his parents died in a deep fryer accident It depends on how old diabeto was in that moment whether or not he owned his own blood. I believe that is our law We haven't decided on exactly what age you own your own blood. I don't know if we're gonna go with like 18 21 I don't know complicated Uh diabeto I was in the camps his uncle it was fat camp diabeto. I was almost put in a gas chamber uncle It was a sauna diabeto get off my case. Okay Yeah, diabeto is very overly dramatic undeniably It's rewind time gotta watch from the start have this for the long man. Thank you very much Just woke up still going on good missed my train to work bad waiting with you great PS hello from france by a frenchman. This is my first super chat. So take this Much for all of your pps Oh, no, sorry for all of you and then pps Uh, also high rags. How would you feel if I named my dog? If you named oh, that'd be really great. That'd be quite an honor That would be really amazing if someone did that. I think that's a very uh, that's a very nifty thing to do If you do it, it's got sustained power. It's a good. It's a good name. It's a good name for a dog I was gonna say if you do it, uh You should totally get like a little uh caller and show and send a picture in Oh, yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah, I'd love to see that um Please don't make fun of hitler Oh I mean, you know, we're just having fun with hitler. It's fine. Um Excuse me. What did that backwards teacher say? Uh If you're a oh, no, it wouldn't be referring to the professor um I'm not 100 sure. I'm afraid. I'm not sure which one we're referring to Uh, finally super chats available in latvia. Thank you for hours of objectively good entertainment. Also high rags Hello cool What's the difference between a chickpea and a cabbage? I've never paid to have a cabbage on my face Oh I like that. That's good. Hey guys, this is my first super chat. You guys are awesome. Keep it up ps. Hi rags Hello, thank you very much. Yes. Hello Rags your subscribe star discord link doesn't work super glad you have a subscribe star so I can support you now though Doesn't Oh, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, um, I really I do appreciate that. I figured there'd be some who don't want to you know use patreon Um, what I'll do tomorrow then is I will put a new link up there I guess it either timed out or I Something I don't know maybe I don't know. Maybe I set the wrong options for it, but I will replace that link tomorrow But yeah, if you if you do want to support but you don't like patreon Then I do have a subscribe star as well Yeah, it's a good alternative Um, you want to give people that option, you know advice on where to find movie clips for videos youtube Be surprised on just how much of movies are uploaded to youtube and the way it works Is that people upload clips and then the original copyright holders monetize them? So they get the money But the clips are available for download and reusable as long as you stick to the copyright limits You can actually use it that way kick j Thinking of a funny super chat message is hard. Also. Hi rags Hello special program to record and edit for videos To record oh, I use vegas 15 um Yeah, other than that, um, I mean some nifty stuff to have would be light shot to get really quick screen shots Um, I use shadow play to capture video footage from the screens um That's really have it's pretty much the three stuff the the three bits that I use I mean like I have itens Have an account like that pretty much the same Uh, I use audacity to record though and it's because I really like the noise reduction feature and Vegas has one that you can do but it involves like downloading an Extension that's like a part of audacity in the first place. So I just I just don't bother with that portion. I'm just like, yeah, but noise reduction on audacity is Blows me away every time with how good it can be um Ray is an orphan explains everything Well explains his villainous nature, but his power, you know, I don't see how explains that Um, I went to sleep and woke up and you're still going It's funny that that's from the previous stream still Um, I want a star wars that's just palpatine the best character. I don't even care what he does I mean, it would be cool if it was done right to have a Star Wars film all about him personally, but I don't know. I don't think it would be good Yeah, well like we're at the point now where I just don't want disney to do anything with star wars Stay away basically Uh, which star wars characters would you like to talk with impregnate and remove from the universe? Talk with impregnate remove from the universe. Um Like current Current star wars timeline quote unquote, or is it just I think you probably choose from whoever you want from wherever you Want in the star wars target So when it comes to remove I'm gonna say like it would be like rey. Yeah, probably rey because rose tico doesn't have as much of a Damaging effect in this world. Yeah Yeah, probably probably rey. Mm-hmm Talk with luke possibly maybe yoda. Yeah, I'd probably talk with luke talk with I mean you tell I mean, hon. He's probably seen all kinds of stuff Yeah, um Um Something yeah, something like that. So what about impregnate one of those two? There's impregnate probably Probably be either Well, what's weird is that you have to because If you impregnate someone then, you know, you should You know be you know be with them and all that and you want the best for your kid So you have I I mean you have pad may right. She's pretty good looking. She's A queen You know, so the kid had on his shoulders. She just dies of sadness sometimes. You gotta be careful Yeah, but like the kid would be raised as like a prince essentially of a planet and you're like Damn, that's it would be in the empire rule though. So just be careful Well, you would still probably even then you would still probably have It probably still be really good for him because he would be it probably use a system where you have each planet had like a planetary governor of a sort, you know So she dates to still definitely would do well for themselves and naboo is really quiet and they I don't know what they'd ever really do with naboo. It would probably be imperial controlled in Like name, but an execution probably nothing would go on there Uh, because it's just out of the way either that or I mean, I'm trying to think of anyone new but it's just like Uh And then if you go with you know, Leia, of course, then you know, she's a princess too, but she becomes a very high rank what is they Because you have to know that 30 year gap between these movies You're like, well, I assume that she she'd be a politician and she would be a galactic war hero and stuff like that And so now it'd be a very illustrious You know kind of you know title if you had a Kid being raised under that and they they they'd do well for themselves. So I don't probably want it to I don't probably pad Somebody suggest impregnating holdo No, no, I don't want to impregnate old ass laura durn older Oldo. Yeah, no, I think pad means a strong choice. Someone said ant baru. No, if I could I mean, I'm sure she's Nice, but I wouldn't I don't know if I'd want my my child being a If I could choose between Eventual king of a planet or Poor moisture farmer on tatooine. One would probably be way safer than the other two. So Also, I guess this person included their own choices It was talk with luke or yoda impregnate a soka or a yala and remove rei from the universe I Don't I'm not familiar with a lot of the So good. I know I don't know a yala a yala though Let me take a look uh star wars a yala Uh, oh, she's the blue she's the blue, uh A yala Sakura Oh, I think this person's ala sakura, uh ala sakura. Yeah, they've um I guess they spelt it a little bit weird on the super chat. Yeah, no, she's uh, she's she's neat Yeah Got a brutal death in episode three She got shot. She did Several times they kept doing it too Maytime. Yeah, they were gonna make sure they can come back kill Look at it like rad to pictures one of this one showed up. It's just like uh, I'll get it too close to uh The safety there like how they got layers fucking bikini. Oh Wait, this can't actually be part of the show. No, I don't think so Okay. Yeah, that's that's weird. That's like it would be this might sound weird, but This seems more scummy than if they were just naked Uh, how would you argue that? Well, this is like it it it's almost like it's being The the other one you'd be like, yeah, it's just porn and they're like But this is like it clearly Like it's straddle like it's straddle on that line like it wants to be clean It wants to be safe for work, but you know the intentions beneath it It's almost like you're trying to hide that it's supposed to be like titillating in this weird way and it knows it's Uh Wait, does that happen do sound effects too? Wait Uh, I don't know I think I might have referenced something we were talking about but I have completely forgotten at this point Pop in briefly to leave a super chat come back like nine hours later And the first thing I hear is my super chat. Love you long man and women never change Long be long when steamboat in captain marvel 2 or rewrite Oh steamboat That was that was something steamboat. Oh my goodness Uh planks captain marvel did have steamboat nick fury Oh nick fury's the steamboat of captain marvel. I understand of this marvel cinematic universe Captain marvel at least in captain marvel's film. Yeah Oh lord it cap bobble Oh, she hashtag justice for steamboat. Hello efab 62 cast kick j. He's not even here. He's been kicked Yeah, he kicked himself To be fair rod Wait to be fair rod doesn't have a roof big enough the movie bob I think a couple people said that they're concerned that you'll bounce away as well No, I don't think there's a roof that can support him Like the idea he's climbing up in the roof the house is going down. I'm sorry He's got to stay on the ground floor like raw. Sure. He's he's got the the backing of the egyptian, you know infrastructural systems to create this very high roof But will that be enough like if they can build a pyramid Surely they can build a ramp strong enough to be able to Roll up movie bob slowly, but surely that's a big question big question Oh Efab best girl anna j longbone mollus crush aiden or rags I'm pretty sure it's rags As what now efab's best girl Of course, I'm the best girl Got that boy pussy Steamboat unbridled praise when You imagine praise That feeling when j l should be here because steamboat is here exists and starts laughing. I'm curious what a reaction would be Oh j longbone's reaction to steamboat. Could you imagine? You would laugh if fucking asshole Hey, j Check out This new cool fun new character Started streaming 11 hours ago mollus feels yeah, I know it's funny because if it says 11 hours ago Then you know that it's only gonna be 40 minutes more. So you're like, oh, no How many streams could you say that about? Ra needs to upgrade to lava since his roof can't fit movie bob Yeah, we did talk about that Throwing him off into lava But the thing is that implies then the ra might be in a dangerous place And you know the last thing we need is to melt our roof thrower like we can't do that Um Good day to you. Good day to you Hello rars mana is volcano adjacent. He is a god Volcano adjacent. All right. I'm not gonna deny it. That sounds pretty neat Uh, wow, I woke up and you're still going. Yes I've got some free super chats. Here's one. Thank you Yay You could count movie bobs Chromosomes on 33 pairs of hands I think I get it. That's a lot of hands That is a lot. Oh my goodness As a person with mental issues, I had to walk out and take a breather at one point I still like the movie but got real for me. Love y'all. Hi rags Hello Hello. Yeah, and yeah, that's fair enough. Um It does seem it's pretty raw that film. It's not uh pulling any punches Oh, I'm late to the party and it'll be sunday when you read this But thursday was also my birthday. So that's at least four birthdays today. Holy shirt We did an e-fap when there was four birthdays That's the birthday e-fap Um Slept at the start of the stream woke up and it's still going We'll be sure to watch the vaude and draw up any new memes that come from this e-fap Uh, we'll appreciate it. Thanks stuff. It's good. Yeah That's this necos the one that makes the the cute stuff Well the cute stuff that isn't Pikachu stuff Oh, okay. I got you. I got you. I got you. I went to sleep five hours into e-fap Just woke up two months ago. I would have been surprised. You're still going but now it seems to be the norm also. Hi rags Hello Please stop doing 12 hour streams twice a week. I beg you. I have a life This wasn't this never the intention. We stopped at six and a half today or seven. I think Wait, when did we stop? Where do we get to super chest today? Was it five and a half hours? Six and a half. I can't remember It was something like that. It was a long I was about to say we can test from when we uh Shad left but that doesn't make sense because he stayed for a good uh Good while actually so I don't know exactly anyway, um I expect ryan johnson to be a great at modern twist of the knife also. Hi rags Hello kick j and hi all my n words. It's sunday when you hear this Actually, no, it's monday for me right now and I think it's monday for you as well in the rags It is um, it is now I believe. Mm-hmm. Yeah two in the morning just about Oh, wow, this is still going also. Hi wags Hello And the last super chat of episode 61 Remember. Oh my god. That's lyf. It cuts off Which means we are now at episode 62 super chats That didn't take a while. Well Ready, uh, yeah We did it. We did not over though It's not over that. Love you rags amola. Why thank you Jabbo said he might want to make a video defending ray. There's something to be said about boulder boy attempting as a Sisyphean task um Yeah, you're not getting into it. Of course it would be him to Try it. He's got to be like a contrarian. Yeah, I think that's a new angle to try and take the He's looking for the hot take the one that he gets right that's against the grain But it's not gonna happen for a long time. I don't think Um Stop talking about my wife. Yes, that's a good reference. Hello Hello Take youtube's money. Thank you youtube I guess Great timing. Thank god and dawn you guys started now. You'll still be streaming by the time I get off work It's very probable Yeah, it actually will it's safer to say that than not these days. Mm-hmm It's shad man. Wait, that's the it's the other shad the better shad What's up guys? I'm loving the amount of efs we've been getting lately bless the dawn Yep, uh, the intention is to now actually have the week break as per usual because there was two two week breaks You see and you can't have too many of them I'm acceptable. You said two two. I did Hello my australian n words Yeah, that's applicable Do you believe space is real? Um, I do actually I believe space is real. Yeah I'm convinced I'm gonna take that position. I know it's controversial, but I'm one of them pro spacists And not only believe it's real, but I want to convince me otherwise I think space is neat. We should uh, we should make friends with it or something Mm-hmm My 20th birthday is tomorrow It's great to get to listen to my favorite Jebs for the last few hours of my teenage hood. All hail the dawn I'll hail the dawn Hail Jay free Epstein didn't kick himself Hello shadow versity any software you recommend I'm gonna save that mr. Shad Last efap three hours four minutes and 48 seconds more on movie bob This is where his big climax is gonna be obi-wan I felt a great disturbance in the force as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror That would be what would happen That's what he does. He makes voices cry out in terror Beware the false rah and his olive green visage I was assuming that rah takes multiple accounts in case he gets like temp banned for saying naughty things or something I assumed that's what it was. I can't imagine now. Whatever happened now Fuck a doodle-do my brethren Hello to you too Hello more streams for 30 hours a week and doesn't know how to kick j Hi rags Hello I'm gonna look into whatever the hell's going on with the way it now works with streaming The only thing that I'm confused about is letting me set the thumbnail Uh before I start streaming it seems to only let me do it once I've started which is annoying, but I could get used to it Uh throw shad off the continent with a light stone and a dark stone Why would we do that? Throw him off his own you can stay on Australia. We're not using it. It's fine Yeah I'm sure it's fine place. Hello me and my friend genesis of androsani did a Fan-made spin-off of efab called eda where we covered two Doctor Who video essays of puritism. Thank you guys for being great inspirations. May the dawn be with you No, absolutely. I'm really glad that you guys decided to you know start a podcast to start talking about stuff That's really good to hear go for it. I'm glad you did. I hope you pause a plenty and uh Yeah, Doctor Who video essays. I don't think we we funnily enough we technically covered a bit of one I think it was vox that mentioned Doctor Who. Maybe I can't remember but yeah not really covered Doctor Who Jay is our resident Doctor Who nerd Your uh pauses be many and your frames be holotism Uh Jay if you want oh the stone things apparently a reference to shad's book that makes sense Uh Jay if you want to friend me on facebook. I have screenshots of brooks tweets after all. I'm a supporter of efab Um, I think he made a thread on twitter if you can just send him to him through there. Um, probably work out for him I'm not sure what he wants to do with him. Yeah Yeah, I mean Might be good to keep it handy in case you ever need some more nobstism. Oh, yes I've had stream overloads. I can't stay long, but I've enjoyed the last efab mini I was actually taking notes from the vids commentary on filmmaking Well, uh, yeah, like we we tried to get into a lot of discussions just about options You have as a filmmaker compared to what chris apparently went with Um, it wasn't like malicious that video. I know a lot of people might interpret it that's that but I mean I think if he had made something pretty good, we would have Been talking about how good it was In terms of like achieving in certain crafts and stuff Um, it's just the writing was so distracting. It was really tough to like Break into talking about some of the great stuff in there and the cutaways to those movies Kind of like oh, I saw people on the comment section being like, oh, it reminds me of uh, chan law some nostalgic critic skits And I was like, oh, uh, yeah. Yeah, I did even I got that kind of vibe from them Um Any thoughts on pokemon sword and shield? I have not played it and I just know that people are angry about it As far as I'm aware fighting over some stuff I've heard that they frustrated that not enough of the pokemon are in it and that the graphics are terrible But I've also seen that a lot of people Hissed at those arguments sort of thing, but yeah, I'm not really into the uh discussion. I don't know much about it Yeah, I don't know enough about pokemon or especially this game in particular. I just don't know Not my area What do you think are the three best objective animated movies of this decade? I'd say they're the lego movie into the spider-verse and inside out um If that includes stop motion, I would consider kubo in the two strings that film was extremely good But I might be biased because the stop motion was just amazing I really like the lego movie. I haven't seen it, but I've only heard good things about it Uh, but thinking about animated stuff. What about uh, what about koko? I mean, I thought koko was all right. I don't I don't I've already forgotten a lot of it. I thought it was fine Um, I'd have to think about animated movies. Um Last 10 years. I wonder if that includes like uh, I can't remember when that came out um Let's see Uh Uh, so we get spider man into the spider. This is very good. We still need to watch that Let's see Tangled, I really liked that was 2010 I liked fantastic mr. Fox Up is 2009 Ratatouille's out of the he's out. It's out of the uh Out of the running. I mean walley is out of the running as well. Yeah 2008 Up is 09 Ratatouille's seven Um, that that that what about big hero six. Did you like that? I didn't see it Oh, I liked it. I saw it. It's not like Great great great, but I liked it fair amount I liked wreck it ralph Oh, yeah, that was good. Yeah But man, I'd say stuff like tangled and everything like that I don't know if I make it best best Yeah, there'll be a there'll be a lot to go through but um, there's some good choices we've been over. Yeah Yeah, um, I ship sexy I ship sexy Sonic yeah, uh, I ship sexy tiger jay with maul of the human gas mask Okay Hello there rags frog man hipster shad and mauler I guess hip uh, oh, hey Yes, hello ij Appreciate that. I'm just certain of it The long man grows more powerful with each passing moment by the will of the dawn His power will encompass all that is all that was and all that will ever be as the spider's prophecy foretold neat As the spiders Thank you all for the delightful content I'm glad you're enjoying it good stuff Mr. Shad if people are to buy your book should they get the hardcover? Or as a sword like weapon this also ends with high rags like weapon. Hello. I'm gonna keep that for mr. Shad Uh, Shad what's your opinion on a fallout shish kebab I shall keep we're gonna have a lot of shad questions. I imagine We got past like eight of them when he came out and now there's gonna be like another 15 of it high rags Hello Hi Shad, please cover trope talk on efap. It's a bit of a tism um I don't know anything about trope talk. I don't think but I mean If there's a particular episode I should be made aware of or something. I don't know Um Also, please support the koalas. I hear they're in a rough spot. Yeah, for you to tell me about that Sounds terrible if they're actually bordering on extinction. Thanks to this forest fire. That's crazy um It's another shad question. How does it? No That's another shad question the um acme nukem sword Oh, I guess because in reference to the uh nuke sword we brought Yeah, the nuke sword Oh, sorry, there was an extra part to a question I'd asked you and it's kind of a amusing thing like a question is I see at my notes Uh, you were asked a question and then it ended with also. What's your stance on koreans? My stance on koreans. Yeah, that's how the question ended Yeah, that's they're fine. I guess. All right Uh nuke sword a sword with a nuke for a pommel I mean, yeah, we got a visual representation of such a sword nuke sword a sword like nuke Mm-hmm Could you guys watch and react to the pilot of has been hotel on youtube? I'd like to see an efap mini and you guys's thoughts on it Uh, I mean, it's not impossible. I just don't really know anything about it So a couple people have been referencing it the has been hotel thing um Get blue bullet barry and top hats in here for a full horseman of the pc pocalypse reunion Yes, I've been around long enough to remember that show Oh, yeah, it was it was it was it was I don't know if it was meant to be a regular thing But now maybe some time. I don't know don't don't hold your breath, but maybe maybe some time Uh, hi mola rags wolf and honored guests been through all the old efaps on 15 currently. Thanks for all the laughs. Love you all Hope you're enjoying them very much. That's some history right there liking them Let's go back. What are we as soon as we get that other episode out? We'll be up to 63 episodes of efap Come a long way and by normal podcast standards. We're probably past 100 at this point in terms of like One to two hour shows if you know what I mean Actually, I could probably find out efap dot m e If the count is currently up to 17 days and 11 hours 17 times 4 plus 11 I'll divide by I'm gonna be generous two hour podcasts So rags, uh, this is just a rough estimate, but apparently we would be on episode 210 by normal podcast standards 210 how long for a normal podcast? I did it by two hours Yeah, well, hmm Well, we are we're certainly not normal. No Oh Terrifyingly, uh, normal We're freaks also the um Decorations on the efap.me website Go like a little Christmas tree with all different guests on it and the presence of meme references And it just has jeb stop here as even like Wonderful little details. I also love the graph. It just has the fucking 50th episode of the 29 hour spike That was something and funnily enough we're almost past the halfway point of getting to it again. Well, I say that 75 Not too far away from pathway to episode 100 Um Wow, this is certainly slowly but surely one thing at a time Edging our way closer. You have to do some prep for that. I imagine that there needs to be something special happening in an episode was 100 I don't believe it's already been, you know, this long Since 50 Yeah Time flies. Uh, wow, this is still going also. Hi wags Hello Sorry, I actually read that one out before I ran onto the wrong page Uh Hello mule shire Um, all right now my fourth movie heat thoughts I don't know if they mean their fourth favorite movie But it would make sense because heat's pretty good from what I remember. Anyway Um, have you seen heat rags roba deniro? I've No, I haven't seen it. No, wait. I'll put chinos in it. It might not be roba deniro Check Yeah, I'm not crazy. Okay, sorry for a second I thought I imagined it with the film Um Also, Jeb Nicholson, do you guys think that she thinks you nick her in the butt? Also, hi rags Hello, I'm not sure how to interpret that question. Nick her in the butt Nick Yeah felt k i n Uh, k I think it was Can I k I I don't know what that means. Oh, sorry k. I can't k and I see k nick her in the butt I have no idea what that means. I do not either k and I see k yes uh I don't know, uh I don't know I have no idea what that means. All right. Um Oh, shit first time catching live. Hi rags Hey, hello geode that's fair You guys make you guys make that woman enjoyable. Hey We do what we can just trying to make the world a better place Hard to believe some people watch it Unironically and seriously for there is entertainment purposes because I think it's good. There is a fan base. That's insane And apparently like I was you know just reading the the discussions on it. They think it's the best of the cw shows right now, so What does that say? The others must be abysmal could you imagine like Um, but yeah, you know, thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying it. It's It's a disaster, but yes, um, it is a disaster, but it's our disaster together Shad if lightsabers existed they'd be instant person exploding weapons me Shad you're doing a bad job of not selling his weapon to me um the thing about uh Exploding people if it gets I mean because lightsabers get put up right up to people's faces and um Yeah, I don't think yeah, I don't know about it's making people explode. I don't know about that I guess It you have to look at like There's some crazy in-house logic maybe about how because You know a lot of people make the joke of like how what makes a lightsaber stop growing like you shouldn't just go on Like what how does it know to be a sword length? Stuff like that. I don't know how like yeah, how does it stop? You know at what point does it you know, how does it make the beam stop that sort of thing? I don't know. I just assume that they know a way they can do a way. I don't know Uh warhammer 40k is the only way forward brothers I hope not I'm okay with it pretty Hello Shad Hello, I I just came on about lightsaber exploding weapons Well, I've actually got a couple of questions ready for you as well Oh sweet. I might still be a minute or two just while kids settle down. You'll probably hear them in the background Um, okay But just a note on the lightsaber thing the problem is is the shrapnel you explode someone and they explode into you and Most likely to They're dangerous weapons as your point. Yes Yes, yes, they're they're very dangerous weapons Um, so so uncivilized Yeah, join if they function, uh, keep going with the regular super chats. I'll be ready in a couple of minutes All right, good stuff. But I'll be listening and just meet myself. So the background noise won't be too bad Um Lightsabers can't melt steel Steel beads heavy. Yeah, you know, it's why go and put it in there It definitely melted those flattened out door style beams. So Undeniable truth Rags, we will be pooping together soon crotch to crotch eye to eye I wipe yours you wipe mine with the door open meet my demands and it stops No, that is nasty. I will not acquiesce to your disgusting Uh, we have we I don't know Shad when you're alone in your house Do you poop with the door open? You know It's like no one else is there. So I mean it's it is rags the guys the guys talking about with people being there. So like He's he's a No, I'm Like I I can't I always close it always close it. I don't know You even want to just be right always close it. Yeah, I don't I've never thought about it. Yeah I don't really care. I don't think about uh, whether or not if I know there's no one in the house No, I don't think I could give a shit. Well, I guess I give a shit technically Literally too, um Just on the note about the uh, the quaggot and melting through that door That was also a blast door which is supposed to be like very resistant You know laser fire and all that stuff and we would expect to actually be far more resistant than regular steel beams So I'm just just just setting that in there as well I was always curious how it works when that happens because like The light comes from the handle, right? Like it's coming out. Does it get stopped Or does it just go straight like I'm assuming it's like as almost as if it's like a flame Like a laser but really long Like oh, yeah supposed to be It's supposed to be plasma contained in a in a force field And and that protects the hands from the intense heat But if you touch anything that's basically something crossing the force field to be exposed to the plasma And that's when the heat, you know exchange and and damage is dealt and things and so That's why it would also cause the instant exposure because it's that the heat would still transfer once you touch someone So they wouldn't have protection from the force field Oh Yeah Yeah, it's live remember to read shat his super chats. I did high rags and kick jar jar the jet plane Are you looking forward to the kingsman prequel next year? I don't care No, not her. I hope people who want it to be good end up getting what they want But I don't really care. I sighed out after the first one. I like the first one I mean the second one kind of annoyed me a lot Um Jenny is so angered by efap and you drink her tears may her hatred of joker be her undoing Oh, she'll be fine um Joker was just another interesting sort of um It's kind of like tlj in just a different way Maybe people really want to argue for why it was bad But they can't with a lot of really weird reasoning and she was just one of them. She'll be fine though um Oh, the guy wanted to clarify rags that on the toilet it would be groin to groin I I can't remember if I read that out. He just you just want to make sure you got that so like The boys would be just Touch in and rubbing up against each other while we uh It's like the legs would prevent you from being able to do that while sitting, but what do I know? It over the hole I guess not with that attitude. You got to just get one of them big thrones, you know I I don't want to talk about it So person's strange don't entertain them But they're strange. I am a slave to reading out these messages. I do my best to filter Just to add a question about the whole g thing because the last um super chat brought that up Did has anyone else like responded in a similar way or they like um tweet out the stream that We you guys we have responded to before like Oh the to the jenny thing um Yeah, never like that. I think we've had instances of creators sort of vaguely recognizing that these things have happened, but um Yeah, but like full on community white knight assault squad. Yeah, it's never been anything like that It was kind of hilarious these people They gave us a lot of laughs Did seem rather disproportionate to the other people that we have reviewed and responded Creators that do watch efab got annoyed because they were like why are people saying it's sexist? She's like one of the three women they've ever covered that makes no sense at all And obviously a lot of people just didn't know that they didn't know a lot about you But it must have been bizarre to have been told how sexist and in sally and Ridiculous this show is like it's just guys just talking about women And then being like wow, it's got a hundred thousand views like people are watching this Yeah Hey, you know the demographics like what's the view at the average view rate for um efab uploads and stuff a little bit. I'm assuming it'd be huge On mula, you mean or like on the second channel like the average amount of views the podcast gets yeah on mula. Yeah Let's have a look Yeah, I mean after the after the tens of thousands that it gets from just being live the re uploads on mula Man they could be anywhere from well. Yeah, just the average view rate duration is all I'm interested in. Oh duration So like how long they watch how long yeah, how long people watch for um I can't look at it yet because I'm in my other account and I don't want to swap them while I'm live streaming in case something goes wrong Um, but uh, yeah, I'll have a look into it. That'll be interesting Uh the average amount of time someone spends watching efab What would you guess that as rags? I'd probably go with Four hours. Well, I wonder if it's so if it counts any pauses Well, because we we keep a pretty steady a pretty high number Pretty stable high number of watchers And then it just eventually it does of course start to you know, trail off But you know four hours is just kind of when that number starts to generally go down But it does depend on what's covering views there and what's going on Oh, yeah, and the fact that we're we're now on the Least like this is 2 a.m. Typically in most american countries. That's a weird day. So this is I'm surprised. We've got 16 000 viewers when Nobody should really be around right now I'll be I'll be right back. Give me just a second um Another efab on a second day for a fabulous day. Hello Kalei Okay, excellent. Yes, shad. I freaking loved your book Thank you, man. That's awesome Hi, that is pretty cool to hear like yeah, you know, we had a reference to it earlier Someone said to throw you off your continent with a light stone and a dark stone I saw that one when it was posted. I was like, oh, that's a that's a book reference right there That's when you know, you've made it shad people are referencing your media It's pretty cool. I got to admit and and the the positive reviews are just awesome Yeah, if you ever want high air when you get positive reviews like that on something you work so hard on that's pretty Hi massives. I'm on my way to see nick often and the most interesting man in the world Would really love any feedback on my game of thrones intro. I tweeted you Moves lorms put a lot more work into it Game of Thrones intro. I'm uh, you can always give a shot tweeting at me again So I don't remember seeing anything like that. Um A lot of things slip through the cracks for me Uh But I don't remember seeing anything game of thrones intro wise But uh There are haps Well, there's some memes. I think I've missed on twitter actually If we have enough time I will do a bit of a few memes at the end But I'm not sure we'll be able to read all of these before we run out of the cap We might be able to we've gone to a pretty pretty good pace um This time around I'm just cycling quickly through twitter to see if I've missed anything frozen two I don't even know oh That just give me a Also, yeah, I'm still with you by the way. I'm just muting it when I'm not talking so The background noise I'm with you for now, but Oh, I've been up for I've probably worked round six this morning. I've probably been up around 20 or so hours I won't be around this long You can only ask that you do you're weak Yeah, what is this rags? Come on? Oh my god This is an original work the guy who drew. Oh my god. I thought that might be original That's hilarious. Okay. Sorry. I'm just uh Good as a nightmare for me. I got like a bazillion notifications. I have to scroll through and try and find the images mostly um But I miss a lot as you as you're aware and people get upset and I'm like I'm doing my best Uh That's funny as well Sorry, I'm using memes. I will I will I'll try multi to ask you. Um Hey mola, when will you watch the meme videos? I made two really good ones for you It's not copyrighted, but check if you want. I hope you guys like it Uh, so I've got a backlog of them. I'm still planning on doing um Uh stream a EFAP mini. I'm gonna I'm gonna sort out. I said I would or the last stream But then I got um, I had to turn up on two different like Creative related streams, and then we got this one after this one. I'm gonna have some time to be able to sort out I swear I'm gonna do it. Um We'll be able to hang around so I eagerly await the mula archive also for fuck's sake It's not even december yet lay off the christmas theme also watch jojo rabbit Well, I mean we're five days away from december. I think it's fair to be like preparing for it now I know the people gave it to us. That's true, and it's amazing fan work regardless of the christmas theme It's all much time to put up the christmas tree in my household, so Uh, will you will you be doing a review of something good this year like an episode of the boys also? Thanks for another great year, uh Not even if I was intending to review something good this year. I don't think it'll be done by this year If you know what I mean Who knows what 2020 will bring I do intend to talk more on the main channel about good stuff Shad thoughts on the alucard versus trevor dual in the castlevania show Or haven't seen it. Unfortunately can't comment as of yet, uh, but I'll put it on the list. So I'll give it a look Yeah Rags has a suspicious amount of feminine curves It's true spider oracle on don's leg. Oh, yeah, we did spot the spider. Oh, yes Um Check out a channel called white light in particular his video on darksiders 2 He does much the same thing you do with your videos mutually you might like the guy and get him on here Uh, yeah, maybe I'll have to check it out Here is my tithe brother j bolechi j barat and send my love to wags The love has been sent send send your love to me Send me your love mauler. I pressed a button. It's gone to you. Have you not gotten it? No, let me check my did you send it to my email? Mm-hmm. Oh, here it is. Yeah, I got it. It was in spam. I had to oh, okay Yeah, scoodle. Ah as the spiders foretold Yes Shad any chance of a collab with arch warhammer focusing on 40k fantasy fortresses or weapons Well, I actually never heard of the guy before. Um, so don't I don't know as of yet Anything possible for the future, but uh, I'll try and check him out There you go. Uh rags his friends of them could be a setup there of some sort Yeah, well, I'm not eventually Yeah, what's your uh, what's your uh, assessment of his content that rags Oh, he does warhammer stuff. He, um Does a political thing here and there but Yeah, I like him smart guy. Cool. Yeah, like really likes his warhammer Hi, I can appreciate having a passion There you go. Um Uh, Noah wasn't an alcoholic. He got drunk once in gen Oh, yeah, we uh, you corrected that right wasn't no it was um Yeah, there was a lot May have gotten lost on myself a second Hey, yeah, that's fine. Um This picture shall be the centerpiece of the inevitable efap museum Oh, yeah, unironically and it's not the only one but that piece that we showed like I would totally get that printed in like High quality and frame it if I had like an efap room. It would totally go in there That shit was great Uh, dear god, I want this is a 4k desktop wallpaper, please Yeah, I don't I don't think I have a copy like a a drag link to the original the one I got is a link to a discord Uh reimage, but yeah a guy who made that um sir What was it again sir nickel sudden I want to say sir Um, but if you're watching this, um email me the uh originals if you want so I can uh If you'd like sorry and I can well Put them in places. Let's say Um, who doesn't love high res versions of everything And yeah, uh the email you can use if if in case that's the thing is attached to my about page on the uh youtube channel The owl's name is bilbo Can't seem to remember what we saw his name is bilbo. I didn't know that yeah owl, um Well, that's from arc angel. I don't know if um That's just it's boobo sorry boobo. Oh boobo. Okay Yeah, very close Okay, now i'm offended that rah is referenced here, but not baowen. Hashtag baowen deserves recognition um There might be some form of a dragon reference on there, um, but also might not be the thing is rah is um As evolved into a meme of his own, you know Not necessarily because like if you had baowen then wouldn't you have to have like all the artists? And then uh, I don't know if the artists would include himself. It starts getting complicated, but rah is is is quite the meme Um alt-right youtubers list breads. I have a card for that Oh, yeah What is the milk yield of space rhinos compared to earthling rhinos or spacemanities asking for a friend? I don't I don't know isn't it two to one? I heard it was two to one I'm gonna go with shadow on this. I don't know enough about it. I'm gonna defer to the expert Everything's the terrestrial rhinos. Yeah I don't know would they need more milk if they lived in space. They wouldn't need as much energy to float around and stuff Or if they lived on planets, they use the milk as a form of propulsion. I heard because oh, you just shed mass to move They squeeze their nips and they just yep That's that's what they should have thought of in tlj to get ahead of you know being chased, but no They just have a bunch of taun taun strapped to the back of their story. I mean You know proof it doesn't work. I don't think you can Tauntaun Shad I see you read invincible a man of culture Oh, yes, I got the anthologies in my uh in my uh shelf right behind me and uh, oh great stuff invincible really good It's a comic book in case you guys want to drink by the way I mean, yeah, it makes sense I wonder if the pits on tulsi gabbards face are deep enough to hold them. Oh my goodness a money shot Wow, um Isn't she considered like the most attractive Out of all the people there so Yeah, I'd say so It's nice of you to think about giving her a donation Very kind. Yes Breath of the wild's weapon system is terrible. You're welcome to try and change my mind, but it's still bad I know that the main complaint is the weapons break all the time, right as part of the system. They want them to like Enter a state of needing repair all the time and it forces you to play with all of the weapons I know that that was a big complaint Uh, but I haven't played it myself I don't know either heck out of me. I mean A weapon broke that bad like that often I'll go back to the maker and demand my money back Even like the best sword in the game breaks and it has to recharge or whatever, right? Awful It's a travesty This money brought to you by youtube. Thank you. Would you say Uh What would you say is objectively a great christmas special as well as your personal favorite? I like jingle all the way and it's sort of so bad. It's good As do I but actually like a strong christmas movie I mean can I say diehard? diehard I Think my mind went to like a I guess a more traditional christmas one and I have to say I kind of enjoyed elf Yeah, I liked elf and as rags just said night before christmas is a good shot The original Santa Claus with tim allen out the front one Never saw it. I did but I can't remember How good it was or not? Oh It's been a while since I watched it, but I have good memories Um brooks not even smart enough to say j equals himla. Yeah j has a striking resemblance to himla. That's true Um this utter muppet thought the marion luigi rpg series is all action and no strats another bad case of seeing screenshots equals Yeah, I've played it Oh, that's about arlo Um, yeah, I haven't seen like obviously, uh, fringy said he's seen a lot of his videos. I have not Are a long man good Yes, we'd like to watch live, but survivor series is going on. We'll watch on later, but there is a super chat for you Thank you. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Uh, if you join later when you get around to it You'll be watching this in the future. Is he a reviewer first or a cookie monster first? Oh, no Uh Free hong kong there's a super tizmy take on starship troopers by generation film a thought for when you have sargon on Sure, I'll have a look at that. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, the other same group that do generation tech I don't know Um Yeah, hong kong just had their elections and uh the pro-democracy party They, uh, really stole it. Uh, the pro-beijing party basically got wiped out And the pro-democracy party did Really, really well, so they have like a super duper majority now. So very very good news. Hmm. Well, awesome Free hong kong and tunnel trial does not trust china Absolutely. Fuck china You know that meme do not trust china and it is I'll a little not repeat Well, I do not like china china room makes everything worse everything china touches just worse It's actually quite interesting how high china is up on the human rights violation and uh, you know Most countries just let it pass right on by because i don't care because of money Chinese money Brooks not even smart enough to say oh wait How did that happen? There we go. Can't wait to listen to this tomorrow. Well, I do homework, but for now. I've got to play deep rock galactic with my college friends Oh, have you had a good time? See that's what I mean about trying to find out what the average listen or watch time is for You know e-fap once it's uploaded because like when i'm playing a video game I usually will chuck on one of the more recent e-faps and just listen to it in the background for hours Like in generally I get through the whole thing eventually So i'm expecting the watch time is going to be crazy Because some people say yeah when i'm at work while i'm driving around while i'm doing stuff around the house well games Yeah, there's there's actually a high demand for long-form content Especially when you just need something that'll last ages to unwind in the background That's why podcasts getting so popular. You know, yeah Because what happened was like everybody was parroting around youtube that the way to do it is 10 to 20 minute videos you have to do that for the algorithm like that was a thing that everyone kept saying There was a time There was a time when that was the thing that the algorithm really liked and really promoted I don't know what it is now and i've never i've never changed for the algorithm No, I think the algorithm still preferences longer form content because I tell you what after I watch the first e-fap like on Mooler that one Every single video in my recommendations was e-fap and i'm not kidding if you I go to a video and you look on my sidebar It was like 100 e-fap. It's like youtube registered. How much I had watched it was like give them more Pushing it at me Yeah, like uh because It was I don't know how the rules exactly work algorithmized But the ones that people remember was that the um the animation people got killed by the whole You need to have multiple uploads regularly that are like 20 minutes um And then let's plays like flourished like crazy. Let's because that's like markiplier pewdiepie jacksepticeye. They all exploded um, but yeah, and then there was a turn to retention instead of you count I guess or Oh, I feel exactly this worked. I'd have to there's probably somebody who's kept track of this better. Um Well, yeah, they try like I've gone to workshops and heard from you know YouTube insiders and all that stuff and they one of the things they try and keep track of is View sessions how long someone stays on the platform And so if your video is the first one they watch But then they go on to stay and watch several more youtube videos after that You will actually the first video will get a kind of boost or benefit because youtube like the algorithm notices that And and registers that this is a video that is help keep helping keep people on the platform And so I think with uh the efap content because it keeps people on the platform for hours at a time because it's so long Yeah, I I know for myself the algorithm just shoveled it in front of my face after the first few times Which is funny. I imagine it was such a uh monkey wrench to the algorithm It's like 12 hour video 12 hour video. What's happening? Had people are watching it like they're watching for a very long time. So I bet um And so yeah There's interesting stuff Any gaming headset recommendations my old headsets falling apart and I need a new one this one was given to me though So I don't know what to get or what's good I mean I use a um Let me get the an ath adg one and I really like it Um, it's got a pretty decent microphone that comes attached with it though. I use the standalone for the channel and everything Um, but that's what I use Ath adg one I've got a really good one, but I barely ever use it because I'm lazy and I neither set it up sometimes So I just use crappy little headphones that are more comfortable. But there you go It's supposed to be a good one. I can't even remember the brand name Is your your headset's not wireless is it rags? No, mine's wired all my stuff's wired Also, hi rags Hello I'll make six million cookie with only 12 oven in short time cookie math. No add up Well, I'm not good at cooking that sounds like a really popular baker if he's having to make six million cookies I don't know why anyone would have to make that many Cookies it seems a little that seems kind of crazy But I guess if your cookies are that good and everybody wants them and loves them that much I don't know. I guess they just get baked Uh, yo is my favorite colored guest spring boat. Howdy Oh, we didn't tell friggy about steamboat down steamboat. Oh my goodness. He needs to know Oh, yeah, we're gonna have to get those screenshots that Ben posted Who are uh Fantastic stuff. Oh, and you I guess because you've heard of it. Yeah, it's not google images. We'll be fine Yeah, I just love google images. Is this the shat man Not that shat man. This is No hard no Oh, how many how many times you had to The address that Really ever because it's mostly self-evidence rather obvious. Yeah Now do you fellas think dead space could be adapted well into a film? Yes, I think so but you need someone who's good at stuff Yeah, because a lot of it is um A lot of it depending on where you want to go. There's a lot of different places where a story could take place But it would very much be a um it'd be an event horizon ish style Uh, I start more towards the beginning and then it would become more like slasher violent, you know spooky body horror um, but there would definitely be a You know a multiple character slowly but surely succumbing to the you know the the the the psychosis You know the the the I guess the the mental Tra the mental trauma of the marker and its effects and how that of and how that affects individuals over time the things that they do and Keep things mysterious, but yeah, it would it would really make a great move. It definitely has a lot of movie potential I mean we say movie potential, but I mean dead space has still a lot. It has a lot of game potential, but unfortunately, I don't know What's if they were we're gonna see another dead space? We'll see how that goes Uh, thanks for all the great content. I couldn't make it through work without y'all Do we get a lot of comments like that? A lot of that Pretty sure there's a lot of yeah In the background just check it on play Oh, and I think there's a um someone's making like a a spiritual successor to Dead space called negative atmosphere. Right. Yes um And apparently in an interview with game informer the glen showfield who was the creator of dead space He said he would love the chance to make a fourth installment Uh, so I imagine if he had the Uh, I mean visceral they had plans for dead space for they thought about something to some degree and if they could I mean if if EA would just let them make the fucking game that they wanted instead of saying it's got to be a co-op action thing. Well, then I would really like to I really really like to see that because Yeah, I mean dead space one and two were great three was fine, but man the first two were great Just let them make a game I love the first one so much Uh But who would in a fight sarah connor from t2 or ripley from aliens both are on neutral territory Depends what point in time you pick for sarah connor when you say neutral territory. Do they have their weapons? If they don't so if they don't have weapons, I'm pretty sure it's sarah because she's like Been training like crazy or working out and stuff while Ripley is still just uh sort of a transport worker However, that would be my call on it if they have their weapons The good chance Ripley wins because she's got the hyper advanced stuff, but maybe maybe not. I don't know. It's kind of tough to call A lot of those specifications that come into that one Um, hi mauler rags and guests. Hello Hi, hello I recently debated if movies can be objectively bad and I was told bad writing doesn't make a movie bad because of other elements Making them good e.g. Action. Please respond to it and keep e fapping so uh, this the response we've said beforehand with this one is that um almost everything in a movie in terms of the crafts that involved with it are all attempting to Present or project what's on the paper that was originally there as in the script Everything is attempting to get you that information in different ways be it visually or audio um And so if it's bad from the get go those things Doing it well a crippled like by the foundations So what would you say about Jackie chair? Well Back in Jackie chan's heyday, you know, um, here's movies because generally bad acting Um plots were very thin bare bones and just really there as an excuse for the action But the choreography is amazing Choreography was just phenomenal um, uh, and so It's interesting because like I kind of view those types of movies On a I compare it to a very different standard Uh because of that, um And the standard that i'm putting it against is pretty high and they fulfill it so well that well, they're brilliant But in terms of writing It's just often not very grinding in them If you if you're talking with somebody like that super chatter, um, if you can get them in the door In a sense that oh So if if you can get them to admit that you can have objectively bad parts Of a film then I think you've done a lot just to get them to accept that Yeah, you know if we can whether or not you take the whole film Don't don't worry about Getting them to do the whole will the film as a whole is objectively good or bad Um, because people can draw that line anywhere For example with tlj if you can go like if they won't admit it's a bad film, but they'll admit it's poorly written Just take take the w Yeah, because that'll you know, that's one of the parts and like okay Well, how do you assess it's poorly written? How do you assess that the scene is poorly Acted or poorly constructed that's that the dies like little pieces get them To accept that little all the parts that make up the film can be objectively bad And that does a lot Yeah, um, that's why I more so these days will say writing instead of the movie as a whole but I do uh Very much consider movies to essentially just be a method in which a story is delivered So it's like The writing is incredibly important Excellent what a singular aspects that don't actually pertain to writing it's going to be pretty tough to uh argue that it like Essentially redeems the entire film But it wouldn't be something I'd want to ignore like in the jack-chan angle I I'd want to definitely talk about How amazing the choreography is assuming, uh, whichever content was being discussed Yeah, if you had a reviewer for instance who wouldn't who wouldn't say that a film was objectively good or bad as a whole But would say each individual part could be as obsessed, uh Uh assessed objectively Right, then that would be totally fine with me. Yeah Because the whole thing the thing as a whole is a lot more complicated than the individual parts How they fit together and mesh together to To assess that objectively is probably gonna be pretty tough Um If awakening had no art style controversy Oh, um, I'm assuming that's in relation to what uh points Arlo was making and um, I don't know enough about Thief's Awakening to be able to comment on The comparison. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this happens I mean that happened with Prince of Persia too, right years back They did one where it was like a celly shaded kind of Thing or whatever it gave every once in a while a game in a series will try something new or do a different style Probably happens all the time mechanics with God of War got a lot of people arguing over whether or not God of War should or shouldn't have the mechanics set that the new ones have or new one has sorry Um Okay Dear eFap, would you rather throw j off a roof to save rag save rags or throw quintin off a roof to save tonald I'd throw quintin off for well wait I would I don't see how that's why would I choose? Yeah, why would I choose to throw j off to save me? I mean I would definitely I get to save tonald and sacrifice quintin or save rags and sacrifice j I'll just go with the second choice out of the the throw quintin The choice is lose quintin or lose j like I guess I'll lose quintin. Yeah, only quintin Um Hi rags love eFap glad to see it live you good dog Hey, hey, glad you're really liking eFap and you might not see me for much longer. It's It's 240 I'm about In fact, I think I don't I think I got to get to bed. I can't I'm I'm already starting to Yeah, I just I need to sleep. I need I really need to sleep. I went up It's all good. Like I said, do you mind just uh, you'd mind muting instead of leaving? Yeah I can do that. You bet. Yeah, I can uh Yeah, haha, so I will look I will catch everyone later and I will Um, yeah, let me know if there if there are a super chance that I will have any questions for me or anything Yeah, I I don't want him to go I'm Unanswered so I will see everyone Later may I'll see y'all tomorrow or whatever or tomorrow. It's fucking it's already tomorrow I will see you later on Yes, sir. I will Yeah, well Bye-bye doodles All right So, uh, I I can look at my notes and just pull out. Um We got I got some shad questions. So, uh, all right Chad, what is your opinion on fallouts shish kebab? Oh, okay, that's the fire sword, isn't it? Um, I would actually need another look at it. I I don't have a Good enough mental image of it to comment in detail on it at the moment So I would have to defer until a proper analysis Do you want to look it up on google? No, it's answer some other things while you're doing it. Oh Very well Hey guys love the podcast been watching for a long time now and love what you guys do keep being awesome Thank you very much Pokemon okay, so yeah, go ahead So, yeah, I'm just looking at now. Um It's basically just a rusty blade that shoots fire along the edge um Intimidation I wouldn't really like The burning would be painful But it wouldn't enhance the cutting capacity much at all really So I don't think it wouldn't be, you know hugely More beneficial. In fact, if the if all the extra mechanics throws the weight off But and it looks like the weight would be about double with everything that's attached to it Probably be a very unwieldy sword as a result and not necessarily that much improved either so Yeah, wouldn't necessarily be great Wait, it's important with swords. Oh, yeah Yeah, swords are much lighter than people assume and as soon as you oh, yeah, absolutely And if you get a sword that's double the weight then average it is suddenly massively unwieldy so Yeah, those are my thoughts on that um Shad if people buy your book should they get the hardcover like I did to improve its effectiveness as a sword like weapon Oh, absolutely Uh, I would I would recommend. Well, I would actually recommend both the audiobook and hardcover I generally do this for all the books I enjoy I enjoy listening to audio book most of all, but I love owning divisive copies and you'll see them in my Bookshelf behind me and uh, and yeah, and when you're gonna own a book You want the hardcover because it's more weighty has more presence and I get more money from the hardcover as well. So Hmm Um, hello, shadow viste any software you recommend for writing novels and keeping notes? Word can be a bit tis me sometimes lots of info, but I got it back Well, the two ones that I've recommended my channel is both uh Campfire, but campfire had a upgrade called campfire blaze. That's the one you're gonna look at or world anvil and so there's pros and cons to both world anvil Generally looks to be a better utility for world loading And but you certainly can do writing on it, but campfire Blaze is more structured for a writing assist and if you're wanting something to just help like with sentence structure better than I a Normal spell check Grammarly, I've heard good things about Um, I'm a little reluctant to try grammarly because it can be a bit too specific on its recommendations of your sentence structure which could Um, actually change your narrative voice too far from what you normally would go with But it's also important to just learn what good grammatical sentence structure is But also to keep the structure of the way that you would naturally write so it can be so grammarly is a little I'm a little on the fence with that one, but those are those are the ones I recommend at the moment There you go. Yeah, I I was gonna say I uh, I couldn't forget to remember the name, but I remember the uh Talking about the world anvil one Yeah, they're both really really good. So um, it's just like I think they both have world anvil has uh Uh Most of its main features are free, but you don't get I actually I don't know if it changed that so I won't really comment on any of the features in the case of upgraded things and things but um But yeah, I'll try both and see what works best for you Um Shad have you read wizards first rule by good kind I have heard good things of it I have not read it myself yet, but I but it is um been reviewed in a very high regard And so it's on my maybe list like I don't unfortunately I don't get too much time to read But and when I do I tend to like to go back to the ones that I know I enjoy I'm on my third or fourth listened through the wheel of time audiobook. It's just so good um And uh, like because I've tried several new books like recently And few have grabbed me as well as the ones that I know really good But I think the next thing I'm going to be listening to is the stars Uh Skyward the sequel to skyward from in sanderson. Um, and so that's looking good Um shad, how do you feel about the different styles of lightsaber combat and lightsaber pikes? Well, I have a lot of views on that and I think I need to save it for a whole video because I find there are a lot of assumptions That people make when they're trying to write a pop culture kind of fighting style And they get a lot of things wrong in regards to what actually is a fighting style And and it seems like with the the jedi ones that the Each different style is simply a different stance a different guard But a guard is very different to a style of fighting And and the guard that you pick is usually the position of your sword only in the beginning of the first engagement And once the engagement starts you're in a completely adapt You go to a different guard to a different guard all the time you never revert to the same guard position And so the assumption that you know, the jedi ones is like this is the guard position Like that they present these styles by guard positions like no, that's very wrong with how sword fighting is done Um, and so that that's that's worth a whole video that I'm gonna Um, I want to research a bit more. So I'll go through each individual Supposed style, but at the moment just from what I've looked on from a cursory glance is that They didn't understand what a sword fighting style is at all Oh, yeah, here you go. Um, we can expect a video on that eventually. Yes Indeed Uh, pokemon eight is to me what episode eight is to you final fantasy eight also sucks. What's up with eights? Or it means they should have died a long time ago the day Uh, long man bad long man good here be cash gutty woo All right I know it's very it's very talented very kind at the same time wonderful stuff Uh, molla don't know if you saw my tweet 100 more violence at frozen two screenings and joker Just saying Yeah, rags mentioned it Quite amazing to be honest, uh, didn't expect that but hey I'm gonna go see um Well, yeah, I might be going to see uh frozen two with the family in about a week or so So I'll let you know if there's any more machete, um attacks. I should take a sword with me Be ready for it. Take a giant machete with you Gosh, swords are more than just being giant machetes molla. You hurt me Oh, no, I'm saying take the sword but also take a giant machete in case they demand a machete or machete fight All right. All right. All right. I withdraw my complaint I see what you might pull a bit of an honor system on you and be like, hey, I can't be using a sword in a machete fight You'll be like, all right. All right I'll tell you what, you know, sort of this there are like actual real machete fights online that you can look up and they are Savage I would recommend like they're they're like real world full-blown violence and they usually like it These things in either, I don't know, Philippines somewhere in Asia or Africa And we're just there's these full-blown machete fights getting whipped out as like to the death Yeah, I get well you do see people well They will have to have died from it But it's instructive to like I actually the reason why I researched this was trying to I did a video on how Deadly swords really are in real life and one of the more accurate points of reference You can look to you to try and find what real, you know slashing wounds How debilitating they are is actually modern-day machete fights because we have visual record of what and it what's interesting Is how survivable Cuts are and that's kind of the thing that I point out in my video is that in one of these machete fights You see a guy get like hacked heaps and he's still alive for a good portion of it Just getting and they're like doing these full-blown wide Hack swings with these machetes. Of course he would have died eventually from it But yeah, people don't understand What type of attacks from a sword is truly deadly? That would be an instant kill and what ones are survival and and when it comes to cuts It's actually kind of surprising how how how I guess functional you can maintain yourself With certain cuts, but then smaller cuts in other parts of the body can fully debilitate you Like you have a slash on the back of your wrist and it takes out Yeah, ability to grasp your sword it's kind of game over right there If it's cut above your eye the blood will just flow down and blind you and so yeah, it's all very very I guess context-based where it wouldn't where the cut is landing. Yeah, sorry. Not to mention Your adrenaline will be running high, right? So Oh, yeah, we keep you in the fight to a degree Yeah, if they if they you know like just nab an artery Yeah, because the other thing is people expect swords are gonna cut people in half And some swords have the capacity to do that but not every sword does and so it's all very very, you know Quite the swing to get some shot in half, wouldn't it? Oh, and the sharpen to the sword has a massive impact on us as well And so there are so many variables to take into account um Finally got a job so take my money you beautiful bastards p.s. You made borderlands three suck for me Don't buy it. Keep up the good work and I will hear this when I watch it later Thank you very much And uh, sorry about borderlands three, I guess Um I rags love your unbridled rages. I I'm sure he'd appreciate that Uh quick take on someone using head cannon to explain why lair communicates with only po in tlj opening battle Being po's button cut lair off from the rest of the squadron. Should I even bother with them? It doesn't make any sense. Um, and it also calls into question Who moved the bombers in place because all po did was tell them to attack Like seemed like they were all set up anyway And then you have the problem of um, they're nowhere near the main fleet And like they had po return to the fleet before they could leave The bombers have to do that too and if so they were never going to make it anyway So like there's a lot of questions about that opening bit And why is it that the commander would have a button like a station a design specific button? To cut off the capital ship from every other ship Like in communications like why would that be the case? That'd just be weird And if that's not the case, uh, then why couldn't she talk to the others and If she shows to talk to the others would her authority outdo The like her authority is general which is usually for ground troops, right? Would she outdo a Commander captain style admiral whatever person like I don't know what should she be doing it Surely his judgment should be respected, especially because he's in the field There's so many questions and there is there's so many things in there's that whole movie which is just baffling Yeah, I just don't think they care they're gunning for the the payoffs the emotional Things and they only know how to do it in specific ways I guess which is just to make things not really make sense or whatever it doesn't matter Um, yeah, it's just depressing because I wouldn't take too much thought to realize how dumb some of these things are It's like well, we just did a cloaking scanner to take the ship Just think about this please Imagine the other throwaway live we're like we use our uh Scat defy the ship, but then some a sub random trooper's like hey Why don't we run that all the time then he's like we only have enough battery to run that once per week You know like Imagine that was the case, but yeah, you know Wow Rags release your final rage of game of thrones, please Uh, I know that's directed at me and it's on the cards for like I know how I would go about doing it to get it done It's just that there's so many other projects I want to do and Honestly with my episode five video I really felt like I tackled all of the significant characters and how they've been Potentially ruined like there's more to say about our episode six ends for sure. It's just that I really felt uh quite completed after I I did episode five Video because that took ages and I got so many like points out that I really wanted to Um specifically game of thrones, I mean like the but I still do want to do an episode six one and possibly more for game of thrones I don't know but yes absolutely future Uh pineapple on pizza is wrong Yes, very good super chat accuracy. I'm glad I'm glad he understands. This is this is good Uh more or stop being a fairy and a big gay That must be directed at rags Oh fuck that I like pineapple on my pizza no more super chat money for b Heresy that's that's just the sacrifice you gotta make, you know, no more super chat money in exchange for Establishing that yes pineapple pizza is the work of the devil ruin my dreams That's like the most memeable thing ever I mean that is the pineapple on pizza is the signs of an apocalyptic event, isn't it? It is it is Oh Thanks for making the workday and commute entertaining and far more interesting. I'm glad it is Uh good stuff Does rags believe in free will because if so you can change opinions by choice I don't know that he does believe in like 100 strictly free will. I don't I don't I don't know if we've covered that yet or not Um, but that's a huge topic and we nearly got to it uh in the beginning of this stream We really got to it nine hours ago Uh weird logos like a sword and no fallacy shall stand Wealed logos like a sword and no fallacy shall stand Oh, sorry. We'll wield logos like a sword and no fallacy shall stand. I got you Like logic I guess and um It's uh, yeah point out a lot of people can detect fallacies without knowing what their names are like, um We were pretty good at it like the couple were brought up today. He used uh, no true scotsman about um What was it a surrealism? It's like it's not true surrealism. It's like what the fuck is that? Oh Choice is conscious. Oh god. We're gonna be getting a lot of uh, oh really deep stuff Great choice is conscious belief is subconscious. You don't control your subconscious directly. You can influence it belief is not a choice It's a result A result of choices You could there's there's an argument you made that this is semantical like a bit well I think it is ultimately it's just kind of how rags defined belief as opposed to how I defined it And if I use his definition I'll probably be in agreement. I was just kind of find it differently. I guess Um And even just with the stupid chat then is I he read that as like again Sounds like it's a result of choices, you know, but yeah Yeah, I was gonna say we can't it's not gonna be First of all rags doesn't even get to speak on a lot of his uh, his points So I wouldn't want to reopen it in that way, but also I don't think we have the time to reopen the subject It's true. We don't have time, but rags left. He doesn't get his say that that's that's on him. Yes. He is forfeit his say That's right rags amola. Thank you both for helping me smile and laugh through one of the worst times in my life I started watching your channels then found efap. Thanks again. Love you guys Yeah, man, uh, we always love to hear the people are enjoying the show honestly Good stuff despite the fact that it is a million years long. Oh, yeah, we calculated that by average podcast lengths We'd be up to like episode two hundred and ten now And by normal I'm in two hours. So yeah happy episode two thousand ten guys or two two hundred and ten not two thousand It's interesting how efap just has an easy listen Polity to it where it's just a bunch of mates just chatting and hanging out and having fun And you know and having intelligent discussion So there's a very you know intellectually stimulating side to just the casual nature of it. So it works really well Oh, yeah, there's loads of just you know, no one's immune to being challenged Your perspectives will be will be out I just I'm waiting for the time until I have a horrible take in a video. It has to happen sometime, right? Like just really really bad In fact, I should probably I think I I have some that I've taken down because I now disagree with So I wonder if I should we should dig some of those up and just do a really fat If only you'd put out a video saying joker was an awful film Yeah, I should have done that. Hey It's awful because I did not enjoy it because if ever you you had like a take we wanted to cover at efap We would just ask you to come on for it as well And you can you can give us insight into the creation Indeed Watch memento people can be aware of lying to themselves then forgetting to have done so that is belief for a greater good or in a piece It can be aware of lying to themselves and then forget to have done so But that doesn't represent belief though, even if that was the case in certain instances and circumstances, so Um, I wouldn't say In contradicts the rule Lying, yeah, even that I would need to try and I would need to break it down and try and understand what it's saying Is it like oh because he writes messages like do not trust that do not believe his lies And so he believes that despite the fact that it's not actually Based on valid information interestingly Because uh memento's pretty cool. Oh, well Yeah, check it out. It's very unique. You watch the film backwards Okay It's like the only film of his kind that kind of what's interesting is um that and prestige prestige is a film That essentially oh, yeah, I think prestige. Oh, yeah, so that's like watching three shorter films all at once that all connect to each other Once they hit the end Um, I love prestige Amazing shit. It's like one of my favorites memento less so but you know, it's cool um So rags. Oh, I'm gonna have to save that one. Oh, and that's a question for wolf as well um I like my women like I like my coffee inside of me. Oh my Okay Off to goal 10 in the best objective sport ice hockey you massives need to read attack on titan and berserk cheers I mean Could I have my watch? Yeah, watch the decent chunk of attack on titan um I probably might read berserk because uh, I do like realistic fantasy even if it gets really dark and I know Like um berserk gets really dark um But that has come with some good recommendations. So Maybe and best objective sport being ice hockey. I don't even mind if that's the case go nuts Yeah, I'm so like I'm not really interested in sports to be invested enough to have an opinion on So Yeah Are we all just sleeping slaves to fate Uchariati That's a reference. I don't quite get it, but I completely agree Um Facts versus feelings within innate judgment is scientifically a matter of personality type not necessarily choice Also sansa's in smash by the way good stuff Facts versus feelings with innate judgment is scientifically a matter of personality type not choice Oh, I think I yeah that um like personality Tests where you know, they certain they get some ratings for agreeableness and um a disagreeableness on all these things that they generally have found that uh, certain character types um, have Preferences general preferences. I think that I I'm not an expert on this, but I think there's exceptions even there But they find general trends to people being far more Feelings based in determining what their opinions are versus facts and stuff and that's it. It's interesting science that stuff um, I don't know how Final and complete it is but I have heard interesting things about it. So Yeah, how would that apply what we're talking about? I don't know. I need to think about it more Uh rags is barney fife see emancipation proclamation I Don't know who barney fife is Oh in the andy griffith show Well, I didn't watch it. So I don't know anything about it, but uh Fair enough fun fact pineapple is one of the few foods that you can eat that can eat you back This means that people who like hawaiian pizza are automatically into vor, right? Pineapple can eat you Is that because of the acids? I know when you eat too much pineapple let it get out to sting your mouth Um, like I we gave our kids some pineapple now a young and I think our younger say too much and he was like Howdy rags he would say hi Bringy, it's not about free will but rather the moral foundation theory Some people are not capable of thinking in a certain way you peeps look it up I might do at some point This is a lot of topics, you know and efab, um, we do cover these things every once in a while But like to get too far in one of these things without someone who's like extremely well read on it We can only stay in like layman terms while also discussing it on a rather uh on on a tier without citing like studies or specific Lines of thought or will views and stuff and even if we did do that that we would then need to explain it in case Any guests or audience members weren't quite following Like isn't really this isn't really that show if you know what I mean while you've got a lot of places on youtube We can totally find explorations into this stuff Yeah, and uh, I'm always a little hesitant uh when people take certain studies like that and draw too Much of a categorical conclusion when because what was that super chat saying certain people are incapable of thinking a certain way Was that some people are not capable of thinking a certain way Yeah, so you know like I generally found the people Like and I you could say this is anecdotal but when people really set their mind to it They can overcome A lot of you know barriers to learn certain things that they need that is really important for them to learn And I'm saying that's the case with everyone. I'm just saying with decent amount of people and so to just say That sorry category. I was like, uh I don't know, you know, I'm just a bit more cautious about such definitive statements like that Um, I think free will is absolutely an illusion No matter what you choose if one were to question your choices with why after why you would eventually reach the conclusion of I don't know. That's just what I want what I want to do Yeah, but there's a contradiction just in the very structure of that thing Even if well, no matter what you choose by merely stating that you're acknowledging choice to a certain level Even if you try and say that there was no way you could choose anything other than what was What you were kind of coerced by circumstances stuff like that to me. There's actually no true Choice you you still have the freedom to choose. Yeah, na. There's nothing forcing you um And even if you could say I I've only chosen a certain way because of well, I'm stopping now This is that um, that's a rabbit hole that I was gonna say you're gonna go to pre-determinism, right? Yeah, let's head to that before we can know people knew that we were heading toward that And that's the problem if we open up that like there was people in chat who are like talking about it as well That was just like, uh, oh if we go there This this efab will be just that I'll just point out that I find interesting that even people who disagree with free will Someone's not like it seems interesting that when they structure what they're saying around the very nature of choice But perhaps I'm misrepresenting exactly what I'm saying because he did try and cover the afterwards for so Yeah Very complicated loads of like everyone in chat is going to have differing degrees of having looked into it And that's the same for the guests as well as understanding all the concepts And so like I said, it's like Certain things efab can only scratch the surface of while hoping to just get some discussion out of it Um, I love how it all came from him saying that You're taking away like people's feelings when you say something is bad. That's where we drew out of that That was glorious 40 minutes Yeah, I know there's a lot to unpack right there Um Appreciate the weeks of entertainment from you all. Oh, yeah. Glad you're enjoying it dr. Pepe Welcome sir. Even though I'm I don't Contribute nearly as much as formal rags, but still you're up there. You're high on the list. I think Let me have a look efab Let me you're higher because uh There's not a lot of people who do sort of come on regularly, but you're one of them I know it goes uh fringy and jay and metal. They're like the highest ones and that's bullshit. Yeah So they're the four super regulars. You're the first of the rest if you know what I mean You you come on nice. You're tied for most appearances and you've got one hour more than any one of the next person Oh, all right, and that'll go up after this one. I'll get there. You'll get a number eight Uh, so we'll well, like I said You've got seven appearances fringy's got 26 metals got 19 jay's got 18 decibels. It's got 12 like The clocking in a lot of numbers Um, yep Which came first the cosmic chicken or the cosmic egg Oh, I can't remember what we decided about that If we said well, I mean, uh, I come a christian and so technically the chicken Well, there you go. I don't know. I I think we talked about the chicken versus the egg argument on efab before We have to we talked about like how species work and stuff is As as you do as you naturally tangent This is what baller wad sees not even going to play elevator music I usually only play elevator music if I'm not in the argument, right? And that's not even what I'm telling in the case but like this is a discussion for all of us And so like playing elevator music would be like why wouldn't I just play elevator music all the time we pause? um Because and oftentimes the elevator music one it's usually something Nonsensical or petty or stupid or funny like not an actual serious discussion on um Well, how do you get wild views and stuff? So yeah, I just didn't think the elevator music worked for that bit um Hell yeah, if this drum last five more hours, I'll have a birthday fap. I'm pretty sure it definitely did Um shad thoughts on sword fighting in zelda Which zelda a breath of the world or Oh, well it doesn't specify so pick whichever one you want. I guess Again, that's something I actually need to uh watch while paying attention So uh because generally I just play casually but from what from memory I'll over swinging telegraphed and he throws a shoot out of position when he strikes and things like that And that's that's general gameplay Um animations for swords and stuff because they like to convey a lot of movement and telegraphing in motion So the player can kind of preempt how the attacks are going to go But I don't think you need to do that every instance You can actually have far more non telegraphed historical You know movesets that work perfectly well in a video game and kingdom come deliverance is the best example of that So yeah, all right Uh robot head claims the first episode of mandalorian is lazy, but I believe it went well establishing character tone pace. What are your thoughts? um So, uh, I've talked to robot head about his video and um, I invited him to come on to efap next week And we're possibly going to watch his video live But um, he might not be able to make it. He said that he's uh, is 50 50 right now So if he can't we'll do something else, but um as soon as he's able we might be able to do that It'll be our first ever Efap with the person who's made the video I think anyway So like I was eating while watching the first episode and so I got distracted and I I don't think I have a Perfectly clear picture. I'm not if you can get perfectly clear But I clear enough picture of the first episode to kind of comment, but I really enjoyed it I thought it was great. I really liked the first episode. It's the best one out of the three as far as I'm concerned um, so yeah, this is where I get kind of bias is coming in because I have to say I like I love the baby in it like That's yeah, that's it cute Beyond belief and just the the way that they have the You know it interact with the bandolari and even in the such small little things like Oh, dude, the uh, when it was when the bay was playing with the thing it screwed off the handle I love the fact that he's about to leave and he goes to pull the handle. I was like, oh, that's great And then he's like, nope. I'm coming back for it. I was like, oh, I liked episode three a lot I just um Had a lot of problems with it. I was like, damn it. Why did you have to have these things? He didn't have to have these things then episode two I only had a few issues with it, but also I got really put off by um, how much of it felt like filler to me Yeah, yeah, I do admit that episode two was could have been all avoided because it was just fixing the ship Basically, but I do kind of see why they wanted it in for certain narrative elements because that Helped him come a little bit more indeed towards, you know, the baby because the baby saved his life and stuff And so that's that's fairly important for the character progression. And this is I want to clarify I don't hate filler as a whole. Um It's just that it's such a small amount of episodes I'm like, oh man. I want it to be like constant plot progression. So I get my juicy content, you know instead of I don't mind hanging out with the Mandalorian as a character doing something that doesn't amount to much of anything Or fix is a problem that started in the episode. That's fine I just um, yeah, like I said, it's totally subjective. I'm just like, I just want more things to happen Oh god, I find interesting like the Mandalorian, you know is We know so little about him yet. He is already such a more engaging interesting character than Ray Oh, yeah, there's no question And like it's all right. He's failing a lot like he's bailed out quite a few times Yeah, and he struggles as well. And you know something traumatic happened in his past through certain flashbacks And it establishes in a far more subtle way his, you know More his ethics his standards and his character and he's very quick to kill the droid when Yeah, it was great Yeah, there's a lot and And I like that he speaks so like like so little yet We get to learn so much about his character just because his actions are more significant And yeah, so he chooses his words carefully. Um, and doesn't speak much. Yeah, so it's it's lost to like about the Mandalorian I won't deny that I just I guess I'm like Uh, it's such a it's such an awkward sort of thing where it's just like, ah star wars. I miss you Yeah, I know You know, do you reckon he's gonna come across a Jedi at some point? Like, um Have the lights say we're like, oh Damn, you know, what is he gonna do? I really don't know what they're planning with this like I got I got nothing, man I don't know what they're gonna do. Gee then my like I wonder if there's gonna be an obi one cameo for his upcoming series Oh, yeah, that could happen um But yeah, that's a hell of a lot better than the sequel films Oh, I know Um How much would y'all have to get paid to take an uppercut from mike tyson in his prime? You can't block you can't dodge you gotta take it. Yeah, I just say no Yeah, me too. I just say no, I mean like money, uh, isn't that I'm not gonna risk As long as I have enough. Yeah, exactly. I I value so many things above money And my own personal health is most certainly one of them Mm-hmm What makes good lamp bother? uh So good lamp would be uh, how cost effective it is how how much light it provides how much Space it takes up The aesthetic, you know, there's lots of lots of things that come into what makes good lamp I'm not a lamp designer myself, but I'm sure I could offer some criticisms for what I would consider bad lamps Mm-hmm. Yep. I'm glad we've gone through this important Uh, it's because the daughter's arc involves her wanting to get into college. So she needs to still be in high school I'm not sure what that's referencing Daughters arc involves her wanting to get into college. So she needs to be in high school I'm trying to think of what films you may have been talking about Yeah Um Starts an aolo video prattles on about anything else. Yep. This is my first time reaction to aolo Oh, that's my first time reaction to aolo. I mean that's starting to become just, you know videos that um Say Say something that that requires a lot of defining and they don't bother with it. It leaves us to want to explore it Um Then it ends up making it so that they have to stay on pause for a while Because they've not directed us in any way. So we'll just be like exploring Because uh, I like discussion a lot Yeah, me too. And there was a lot of things undefined in that video. Unfortunately, it was just Um swordman bad. Oh, no, no swordman good Yes, how dare you sir How dare you? Uh, do an efab where batman eats toothpaste. Is that again? I think someone someone sent that last time do an efab where batman eats toothpaste. I don't know what that means Terrifying Is this like a you know, one of those viral youtube videos? Have you seen the one where he eats a burger? Eats a what sorry? A burger it's just a a simple small animation clip of batman looking really serious Holds up a burger and just eats a burger and I was like it's glorious. Okay I guess this one for doing his teeth. They wash it brush his teeth. Sorry All right, there might be I didn't know the toothpaste one Uh in two dogmas of empiricism WVO quine supports a holistic theory of meaning where statements are not accepted as true In isolation, but within a web those closer to the edge are easier to change Sounds relatively reasonable Yes That's that's one of those statements I need to listen to a couple of times and absorb fully so I can understand exactly the implications of being said So sorry, I didn't absorb it all, you know It's been a long day Well, I think man a lot of people can get testy with some of the stuff we say toward the like Later parts of streets and stuff and I'm just like, I don't know Braden starts to say some funny things But it's been doing this for this long Exactly it's like words. They just kind of start going together when you yeah In utah, we have a lot of Mormons that believe in the church despite accepting all the evidence that it's false They know that joseph smith was a con man, but they still believe he was a prophet of god Oh my goodness I've heard all of this crap before so don't think when people are trying to You know spam stuff like this that I haven't I was a missionary for the church for two years And I love going into all the nitty gritty details, especially with church history and stuff like that And joseph smith is a legend, right? He was not a con man not at all Um, and that's all I will say on that before things get too T-Rail I mean, I know nothing about it. So Um Well, I mean outside of what I've heard from like You know, just someone attacking my religion. Don't worry. Well, I'm young Hey, man, we have we we on eFab. It's all fair game, but uh, I know And like you me and rags we've had a you know Good fun long kind of discussion debate on the logical validity for deity and stuff like that. So it's not anywhere I was playing laugh for dad. I remember I was killing zombies while discussing religion Yep Someone's it's funny. It's like it's not something I had because I'm just reading chat now. I was like that is a woman's like Yes, this is Mostly common knowledge unless people are very much more recently learned of who I am and stuff Certainly not something I hide chat is a christian kangaroo Uh-huh. Um, well, hey, look at this back-to-back super chat. You go the next one is hey chat recently finished your book and I really enjoyed it Oh, thank you, sir. Me's a lot to hear Uh, also high wags No, you would say hi back. He's just a little sleepy. Um in my opinion your opinion is evil In your opinion you underestimate my opinion obi-wan Just just to reply to again people it's funny People have a really negative view on religion and particularly mine It's like, you know, they get something like a you know, like a dog with a bone and they can't let go and they're saying Joe Smith was found guilty historically Yeah, and those charges were also dropped and admitted by the state that they were false as well It's funny how people just they uh, they get stuck in a certain mindset and they either ignore blatantly obvious facts that have already been established for a very long time and uh, because again, I don't know Really? And anyway, sorry it's okay Jeb cheese is objectively good cheese. I can agree with that I was watching the sunset. Who's the talking muppet also? Hi rags talking muppet was a lo and um, uh, hopefully we won't I don't know incite an ire from His community when covering him. You never know with every single new person we cover who's got a got an audience I didn't see it coming with janny. I honestly thought that was just gonna be your average e-fab Like yep, she just because I think it's because of the fact that she had a vlog style I was like no one's gonna really care if we cover this um But she tweeted out that's probably what did it yeah, and uh And yeah, it seems like people were very you know defensive about Any criticism that go to her and yet their responses were so disingenuous like So much of the criticism they were lobbing against e-fab the exact same Level of stuff that they themselves were doing in trying to claim that you know It was a bunch of guys just incels that hate women. It's like what? You know Like we've got we've got fans of women on this podcast a rags a big fan of women I'm married. I have four children. Did I say, you know Yes Yeah, I say I'd say sorry Oh gosh Um, yeah, weird stuff Then the way that a lot of conversations went was uh, they talked about it for 11 hours. The responses. No, they didn't Uh, they only talked for a couple of hours if you actually were to watch it And then they were like, why would I watch that long of a podcast? and you're like that This conversation was uh, with wow Yeah, it's just because it's like why would you want to watch it's like actually a lot of people do and they kind of enjoy the long form stuff And so it's it's like such a nothing argument where people try and say Try and criticize it for being long like oh my goodness. You guys just you don't understand it Um joker is a very emotional film shad is a very cerebral person. Oh that was their uh The the super chat's guess as to why you didn't like it Oh, okay Well, no, I wasn't for that. I could feel the Emotionality, but it made me feel negative emotions as a result. Uh, just like, you know, yeah It wasn't uplifting or enjoyable for me. Um, but that doesn't mean it isn't a brilliantly made film But um, it's just interesting like well to what standard you apply things to I am my downright felt a bit of awe at the end of uh, joker The power he's on the car. I was kind of just like wow Um from the whole film quite the experience watching that story And I get it like uh Nobody like the idea that it's just like a story that doesn't have what you may call a more traditional good or happier ending It's um a lot of people lose in the ending of joker Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a tragic story. I go brawl and so Yeah, um FYI emotions focus on non-determinable things while cerebral focuses on specifics Emotions focus on non-determinable things Well, sorry repeat that I got distracted emotions focus on non-determinable things non-determinable I would like to know what he means by that because that requires a little more clarification kind of comment on Um death by guinea pigs that is possibly a reference to noble shit. Uh, what do you think of destiny and what he does? Um, I've watched a whole bunch of his debates. I quite like His desperation for references clear argumentation However, a lot of his conclusions A little crazy for me Um, it would be interesting to talk to them sometime But I wouldn't want to piss him off as in like I wouldn't want to be the guy who fucking stresses him out or anything He seems very volatile Um But I've seen a couple of debates where he has calm conversations I'd like to assume that it's because of people using fallacies and stuff But you start to wonder like 90 of his debates end in carnage and so you're like, is it really that many people who are fucking it up? It's like maybe I don't know Um, but then you know, there's some other stuff The like positions he holds that I'm very uncomfortable with Uh But yeah, overall, I mean I'm okay. He's like a big spag, I guess Yeah, I barely know anything about him. I've only seen him in one debate. Um, that was live streamed and that that was it Which one was that? Do you remember? it was uh him Argonne someone from the young turks and was it nick Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hasan nick fuentes and uh, it was it was I think trainwrecks was the host I I think that one was interesting So many different perspectives all clashing at once Yeah Interesting is a good way to put it. Mm-hmm um YouTubers decreed you are to receive a free super chat. I thank you Uh, I saw lord of the rings. I liked lord of the rings. I hate j Yes, j has still yet to see lord of the rings Need and we told him to watch it and like if have five So, uh, no excuse um Wait, does this dude hate the core concept of dialectic processes? That's an interesting position to take. Of course, it's never ending I'm not sure what part of a la's video that will be referring to unfortunately Um When video turns legit anti-free speech we are here There was a You know, honestly, if you if you tell me to recount the point of a la's video. I think the best I could say is just I think he wants people to let people Say stuff without as much repercussion as is happening these days Um, but I'm like the complete opposite all people to their statements and Think carefully about your statements Um and just separate out when you want to be left alone as in like, you know, yeah, I just didn't like that thing That's that's you know, it's fine. Leave me alone. You can do that. But if you start making claims, whoo It's like, um making a claim is also countering any claim that would be countered to it at the same time Uh, especially if you're trying to be definitive. So of course it can be combative on its own With you don't even realize who you're actually pissing off. You might make a tweet saying, uh You know a bunch of things and you're like, I've expressed my opinion and thousands of people respond and I guess I'm partially referring to Anita Sarkeesian here Very applicable because she said there's no Wibbid it episode. What about Deloria, which is objectively false and so She said she actually admitted it was a mistake as well. I never thought I'd see that But didn't she then just push it off like Oh, she said she said, uh, women can't make mistakes online without blah blah blah blah and I was like, oh my god She says a mistake I Know everything sexist even when people call you out for mistakes because you're a woman that people are calling you out. Are you insane? Oh She knew to the world men get you know ruined through their opinions online oftentimes Yeah, I mean, are you guys getting attacked because you were men? Um If me or all women were all women, I wonder how that would have gone Interesting question actually I don't know how they would have dealt with it Yeah, because like Yeah, like it's okay. I just I'm trying to think of what would have happened. They'd have been confused. They'd be like, what is Wow, what they might you might get us to go as far as getting comments like what catty women or what bitchy women I guess Like from and then they'd have to be reigned in because it's like guys You can't be making these comments defending like someone else who's uh You would you would definitely be have a problem with people calling her that or something like it would it would cause an explosion They would be confused as to how to deal with this but um, yeah Unfortunately, we were born with the wrong parts and now it makes us unable to uh I guess benefit from such results um Freewell is a myth religion is a joke. We're all pawns controlled by something greater And that is memes the dna of the soul high rags kick jay. Love dawn Uh Fine trolls fine troll memes of the life blood of reality. We all know this Indeed. Um, I hope that super chat saw the extended version I Yeah, I've read now everything in full. So should hopefully Brooks as Wesker Jay Yeah, I mean Brooks's voice is a horrible computer. Wesker. So it's not gonna happen. I'm sorry. He doesn't he's not allowed Um, this one just I get thrown every time they say Everyone was you know calling because his name is Brooks, but that's my last name as well. So I like Sometimes I thought people What well, yeah, because the thing is his moniker is no bullshit and it's really awkward to say that in a sentence like What do you think of no bullshit? You might be like What? Yeah Um, I mean, I I don't swear, but I you know Depending on what you consider to be a swear word in whatever, you know Region you're from because Australia has certain words that answer words and anyway, but that's one of them No, I I pretend I won't say Uh, and so I wouldn't I just can't refer to his channel name. I was like no bull stuff. There we go Oh, the meme quote was apparently from Metal Gear Rising so Uh, it wasn't like the person saying it I guess and uh, yeah the uh It's it's complicated because you can then call him knobs Which is funnier because it's like an abbreviation of no BS, but Even then you can be really confusing and so he goes by Brooks for a lot of Also, I can't remember if his yeah, I guess this is his first name might actually be bro I don't really care. I just call him all kinds of different things depending on how I'm feeling at the time It's very subjective Must yes indeed The most tis me massive place I've ever been has to be the Isle of Man It's either that or the celestial diabetes Jeb is objectively a gay leftist. I remember that. Uh, that's the the thing we did Getting different adjectives adverbs and nouns Rags love the dog bites vids Um, uh, you know, I'll keep that even though Uh, it's not really a question. I'm sure rags. I like to hear that especially because you got monetization on it recently Uh, he's condemning the kind of people who would say if you hate the last Jedi is because you hate women Why is this a problem? Uh, because he's really inconsistent throughout the whole video. We I'm pretty sure we agreed with that part Yeah, we have like it as the discussion progressed. We did say, okay, this part if it's in this context We're absolutely. Yeah, because we brought that up I think several times actually the whole like you're doing the last Jedi because you don't like women Oh My argument didn't involve any of that and it's like, yeah, well That's such a brainless thing to say. It's just I can't believe it's become so prominent and that they actually push it and it just shows the disingenuous nature Behind these types. It's just insane But like if if you get to that point you can be like why you know, like if if me and you Hear this guy who's like a known admitted person who just hates It's just every single race other than white or something. We'd be like, okay Do you want to listen to his take on the movie? I'd be like, uh, I don't know because I don't even know that he can be he can see clearly at that point Like if he's gonna be looking So I guess what I'm trying to get at is that if they can put you into that camp, they no longer have to listen to what you've said Yeah, that's soft point behind it. Um, and that's why it's so disingenuous because if you actually if you know, argue the facts They generally lose because their facts are pretty bad and sorry we'll just I pissed off a whole bunch of people when I said if you say the last Jedi's good content Good luck calling other pieces of content bad It's gonna be very hard And uh, it's just a simple like like people got really upset at it They were like he's saying they're not allowed to have their own opinions I was like, no, it's just a matter of if you claim this thing is a bad thing and it turns up in the last Jedi 10 fold Then how you can explain that It's crazy, uh, Jenny said that the theme in in Joker was like whatever the theme may have been She couldn't figure it out. Uh, it was contradicting itself. Anyway, and I was just like contradicting its theme That's like all over tlj and she really liked that film All right, um I love listening to you guys you're all unique and make me laugh I'm very grateful to be able to listen to such a clever group of people. Oh, thank you very kind As long as we can be entertaining or informative or I guess Is informative a type of entertaining? I wonder if that can sit is considered under the brawler, but you know, yeah, like if something is legitimately Interesting and intellectually stimulating it is a form of entertainment And that's kind of where I get a lot of I guess the interest in my own content Is because my content is pretty, you know fact heavy at times. I'm talking about a lot of, um Very complex things and I think one of the things that helps go Take it through Is that I like to think the the information is interesting But it's also being able to present complex things in a more dynamic engaging way is another, you know thing that helps me With content if you can if you can pull it off and I like to think I can in some instances I guess I hope e-fap is comedic dramatic and informative the trifecta of Stuff There you go. That's my that's my very in-depth assessment Put that on I agree When is next e-fap gaming also high rags? There's never any set for when those happen They're just gonna happen, but uh, we have ideas and that goes the same for e-fap movies of which seven are attempting to release And that goes the same for The minis for like because you know once once we got one batman woman episode coming up in five days six days And um once that's done apparently we're gonna want a hiatus for a while with batwoman other than the um crossover episode which we're not sure if we're doing I guess we might be Either way Um, I was just gonna say like I don't know if we'll be replacing it or anything Like I know people be like, oh, could you do another tv show? So I'm just like, I don't know batwoman was like a perfect storm with this I don't know if Is the other shows will just work as well. It's kind of tough I made the mistake of looking at chat again And people are still going on about mormon stuff or at least one or two of them are Again, it's okay They can't seem to let it go They're saying is like objectively Incorrect like you want to know what Mormons believe you might want to ask Mormon instead of people who are just spouting like literally incorrect facts about um Certain things in our doctrine and history and belief like It's just amazing the misinformation that's out there. So yeah, if you do want to know things about Mormons Ask a Mormon must probably a way to get more correct information But anyway This can't be new to you right the internet has got Like I said, I I've heard it all I've heard it all and so much of it is out of context and things Where people try and like what the one of the comments in the chat was Mormons believe that all Native Americans are lost tribes of Jews they're like Actually, no, we don't believe that. Okay And if you want to know specifically what we believe and what connection Certain Native Americans might have with ancient Israelites not Jews Well, you might want to understand the context of it all instead of putting things out of context And then presenting it in a more ridiculous fashion, which obviously Sounds far more unreasonable because that's the way people like to frame their statements And uh, yeah, it's just a very common vein of its ingenuous argument Um Oh my okay, I'm I'll save this this is definitely Oh, I was talking about I'll end it now. I'll ignore chat that that's my piece. I think yeah Say if you if you try to derile them by I know it's I know I'm just Because I'm shouting him down and then they'll just try and come up with something different But I've heard it all and it's amazing the lengths that we will go to. Yeah Uh, let's go. Let's continue gonna do the aid and thing and have the stream play while I fall asleep Wish me good night. Also high rags Good night Remember when rags streamed with no bullshit Yes, I believe that happened rags Didn't know him though and didn't know his positions as far as I'm aware Um, if rags were here, he'd probably say the same thing, but I can't say that's 100% But yes, he did he did stream with him. We've all we've all streamed with with people who we You know just having a conversation with you don't know everything about everybody Rags did not know he was speaking to one of if not the stupidest content creator on the platform You know, it can happen um Weird question, but any of you work out if so, do you have any advice on home workout equipment? My so I go to a gym. I don't uh have home workout equipment But I mean if you got space for a treadmill probably can't go wrong there. Maybe weights like freehand sort of But uh, this gotta be good advice on the internet for stuff like that Like I'm just going off basic understanding of what people do in homes with with home workout stuff Um, my current job schedule makes it hard to go to the gym So I'm thinking about converting my garage into a home gym. Yeah, I could I could go go well Uh, like I said find some advice online probably This guy is describing something very incorrectly I'm assuming this referencing arlo Yeah, could have been me. It's very possible. It could have been any of us Calling calling someone j makes you j Oh A shea, I think we're supposed to be shad if you know brandon sanderson could you ask him to finish dragon steel? Oh, yeah, I I haven't asked him about that specifically But I think dragon steel is holding off because that has a lot of crucial elements to the formation of The cosme or the nature of the cosme And it's what happened to adenalsium and where the shards came from and stuff There's like a version of dragon steel available at BYU I think because he might have submitted as part of his master's thesis um But he has said he needs to rewrite it as well. Um, but yeah, so I don't dragon steel is on his radar anytime soon There's been no reports on that PS everyone should sign j's petition. I mean, yeah, you can find j's petition on twitter He's trying to get no bullshit to change his um his picture Very very fascinating endeavor. Yo was up. I mean Go ahead. Oh, well, yeah, like I said, I don't know anything about, you know, I'll call in brooks. Um, So again, I'm very disconnected from the whole, you know, thing that's happening there But I can't say that changing his profile picture to the guinea pig wouldn't be an improvement, you know Because oh, hey the guinea pigs that you look like called to say, you know Uh, yo, what's up home slices two questions first Have you seen the poison of subjectivism by cs luis doodle on youtube? If not, then do it for doodle Um Someone sent me that uh, I want to say a couple days ago on twitter and I did watch it. It was uh white Content rich. It's a lot of ideas quickly Yeah, like I I have seen one of his videos recommended. Sorry my my Infants are has joined us. So you might hear a bit louder now um I I haven't watched any of the movies, but I just was interested by his channel name cs luis doodle. Was it like I'm a fan of cs luis Yeah Uh second question if I created 3d models of some of y'all can I make them do the fuq? uh I don't I guess everyone might have different answers to that I think rags are probably like you can do whatever you want And I probably second that If you if that's what you want to do, you know what? It's a free country um Hi rags and shad, uh, if ever you need a portuguese translator for your books hire me I have three years of experience and i'm unemployed Un beijo grande cheers I mean, uh I don't know. I don't know. Did you get your books translated? uh shad That's something i'm actually going to be looking at soon, uh, where uh Finishing off second edition for the book and once the second edition is more polished Brandon act like sanderson. He actually suggested I approach his own agent about um a limited u.s. Print release And that's also where I am going to be looking at translations Because I can't do it right and uh, and so an agent is perfect for um, uh approaching foreign language publishing groups and then they translate and translate it and uh distribute it as well and so It's on my it's on my um radar. It's what i'll be looking at soon Um rags has spoken to sargon who has spoken to forage if he hasn't himself He knows someone who has spoken to the queen their uncle spoke to hitler So it's less than six people between you and adolf Oh, how about that? Oh, that means you're a n-word. Well, not that n-word the other end The badman Uh rags wolf mohler, which is more retarded canon wise aliens cloning marines bringing back corporal hicks or episode nine bringing back palpatine Um, so the way they do it in cloning marines is that the body of corporal hicks in uh alien three was Someone else. That's what they say And from what I understand the rationale For palpatine is either going to be he simply says he survived, which is insane Or yeah, that's just retarded. I like no Or they killed a clone the whole time. That's what was actually happening. He was a clone on the death star With some of the things that you're reading it's like they're just picking out Bull crap from thin air and just making it canon like force powers can suck youth from another person when the hell They they're making the force into do whatever they want magic. Yeah, which it's just retarded I mean if that's what they actually do we we get to see what actually happens But if they go down that path Oh my goodness, and then uh There's yeah I'll just imagine like Just the the fact that it seems so uncertain all these different reports all these different screenings They're in damage control made You watch like so if you told me the plot of episode nine back before force awakens came out I'd be like Is this a joke you trying to kill like destroy star wars? What are you doing? Like why would you make this so hard on yourself? It's so easy to do this uh, I It really feels like whoever's handling the script doesn't know the correct structure for storytelling and stuff With the amount of bull crap that they're going back and forth with and things and I mean Insane Crazy, I mean and the very nature of reshoots like I wasn't fully aware how Common they were right and and I heard that move movie stories The actual plot of the story can be altered at you know in drastic ways Near the very end of production. I was like well, hang on didn't you like Yeah To me as I you because I'm a writer right that's not how well does not have my ride stories and stuff like that. I mean As for which is more crazy canon wise I guess I'll go with episode nine. It's more crazy because It's kind of they're almost the same neither of them should be alive But I feel like star wars is going to break extra things when they do it corporal hicks surviving Is like them saying oh, there's just a mistake in transit that sort of thing It's fine while episode nine is going to have to break several things in the universe as well Like the idea that we just got this army of fucking palpatine clones or You can survive the deaths are exploding Okay He said no, but what if they create another force power he teleported himself off the And it'll be so cheap if they do something like that We're gonna we're gonna see we're all gonna get our answers in under a month Yeah, gee thanks more. I did not want to watch this piece of crap Now I feel I have to just to see what happens in this train wreck like you can talk to us about it eventually I mean, I want to see a review from you shad don't deprive me of such things No, because I'll do something wrong and you'll rip me apart on e-fap. Oh because we never do anything wrong here What if instead of god is dead we say god has fallen and he can't get up I mean, maybe he's going to lie down. You don't know that he can't get up No reason why he can't lie down They're a deeper philosophical and theological implications to this that could take us in the many different directions. So Uh, that's my thoughts on it. Ah, yes, my favorite show e-jab every jabber pause Oh, yes. Jab is a mainstay to admit when you are wrong is to become correct Pretty much um, yeah It's interesting like because you know, um You go through many kind of phases growing up through life when you get old But I actually, you know, kind of remember the process when I was younger When I realized that hey being wrong isn't so bad But I do remember before then there was times when it was very hard for me to admit I was wrong and that was a lot of because of insecurity and I was young and naive and all that stuff But it's it's kind of a liberating uplifting thing when you actually are able to Change something inside yourself and say You know being wrong. It's not that bad. Yeah, this is really not gonna last very long like, oh, no He's the guy who admitted he was wrong versus. He's the guy who never admits. He's wrong Well, the other thing is and like and it's funny people who get really they dig their heels in and won't admit They're wrong when you know faced with so much, you know, contrary evidence They they they are seems like they're unaware of something that's quite prominent and it's the amount of respect people give to people Who admit when they're wrong that they're wrong when they're wrong and the amount of credibility it actually increases Um for that individual and for people who view it Like it's a it can do good things for you when you do that if just for in regards to your credibility, but They seem to think that no if they're wrong. I mean, there's no one will ever trust them again When it's the opposite, uh, your your credibility will remain unscathed if you admit you're wrong once you're presented with the information That's it Shad look out. Kylo lurks around many toilets waiting for his prey who whispers into the wind. Does it hurt? Oh, dear. I might have to shut the door even when i'm alone now Please don't flush brown pointy daddy. Oh my goodness Uh Then the follow-up from this man say the same person and different super chat words are gay What do you think of that philosophically? I must be a raging homer. Yeah, I was gonna say you've got a lot of the gay going on in this podcast if we're gay But you know, sometimes I just you just have to that's it you gotta accept that and that's okay You gotta accept a bit of the gay It's 2019 Mm-hmm. Uh, hi everybody. Jojo rabbit is great. Have any of you seen it? Have you seen that? Jojo rabbit. No. Yeah. It's a new taiko itt film Oh, how is it? It's about a boy whose imaginary friend is hitler Isn't that from premise alone? You're like, I'll watch it Like I would watch it because even like It's pushing against the political correctness there. You can't even mention nazis Otherwise, you're a terrible person like, you know Pewdiepie was raked across the coals because he made some nazi jokes like come off it And so to see something more mainstream saying that up your will, uh, we'll make jokes about nazi's things I think The crazier lefty people are actually okay with the film because it's making fun of nazis completely Um, I don't know actually I'd have to check in to see what see what they're thinking about it Um, because like the even the nazi pug kind of stuff, right? The context of that joke was that The statement was horrible and bad like and that having a cute dog responds to it and the juxtaposition and the you know but And yet people lost their minds over it. Yeah. No, it's very like, uh Interesting how it all works. There's so much to uh study You know like in the lab just like how humans work with all this stuff um But yeah, anyway, um So I think at one point we said jab 2020 and back to back. I have these two super chats from uh, two different people bernie 2020 also high rags trump 2020 high rags So it looks like we've got a diversity of thought in our chat. Yeah, I mean I said I think trumps gonna win guys. Just just saying it, you know, that's that's what it looks like going at the moment And I don't necessarily hate to say that. I I mean, I don't like want a personal level just, you know This has done some pretty jerky things But as a president, I'm being surprised about certain policies and how conservatively, you know He's done things and I am a conservative. So there we go Yeah, and I I don't know enough about all of it, but um, I like the idea that All of every kind of people isn't is in my chat. I really don't mind Yeah, I like it's so weird to me the amount of hate and betrayal people have who have different political opinions And I can see where it comes from and why but it's also so dumb pointless and stupid as well And it's just as a recipe for disaster in the end as well Uh, this is why I do my best to try and keep politics out of my own content I don't know perfectly it does slip in now again, but for the most part Um, because a lot of my content is very well one is apolitical a lot of it isn't even you know related to politics and I kind of understand that idea that people aren't watching my content to hear my hot takes or anything like that They want to learn about swords and I get that and so no matter what people Political, you know spectrum they come from they're more than welcome to enjoy my content And I'm happy and it's funny like I'm very close friends and family who are so different to me politically like Just polar opposites, but guess what you can get along. It's not impossible My goodness, and I'll tell you what the discussions we've had Well, yeah, and I was gonna say like I'm okay with anyone holding any politics in the chat, but there are like There's gonna be ethical and political positions you could hold that would I would be You're crying more than likely certain ones certain here and there, you know ones like say for example Someone said like you shouldn't be speaking about a film with a black protagonist if you're white because it's inappropriate I'd be like, yeah, you can go fuck yourself I'm sorry, that's racist Exactly like there's certain things you could say in certain contexts that will make me be like wow That's a position. I think it's deplorable, but all right But again, I wouldn't say to that person stop watching my content. I'd be like you can carry on I just completely disagree with you Yep um Anyone who's to a out there should currently be stocking up on rifles and ammunition the boogaloo cometh To a I'm not sure what to a is Uh beloved Jeb 2020 All right, the hills have eyes, but the trees speak Vietnamese either way the roof speak egyptian sun god also shared Isle of man legs as a fantasy monster I I love man legs. So do you know the isle of man flag? I don't Oh, just google it quickly and you'll have your answer to this question essentially. Oh, do you're not baiting me? No, no, no isle of man is a real place. It's a real flag. It's just an amusing flag Um, I have islands isle of man I don't have a flag. Oh the flag. Yeah, okay. Okay, so three legs. Is it um, yeah that as a monster I It'd be very hard for it to get around you'd think it like we're having three legs But the position of the legs They're often such different angles unless they could fully rotate Um, and then it could like walk on two legs and then have the third leg as kind of like a as a Punchy kind of thing that could go down and heal people with a reverse bend of the knee Um, I'd still think it'll be mostly ineffective But pretty pretty spooky seeing that thing, right? Yeah, yeah, I'd be not be unnerving. It's uh, it's uh, it would be as a creepy kind of thing Also, I'm just two a is second amendment Uh, wow, it's almost like rage bait pushes likes and retweets and actions like they've been resulted in our borked media If that's referencing Anita Then yes, I'm not sure if it is though Because yeah, she's she calls misogyny left right and center and it gets her a spotlight a lot of people Because I honestly my entire timeline like I was seeing all the different people I follow respond to her and like call her out for being a ridiculous and it is kind of like man Is what she wants I guess Yeah, it seems like attention and then uh, then she can claim victim hood for all the attacks that she gets and everything Have you seen her channel though? It's not working out Yeah She's I like to think of it as just uh, that's the way the cookie crumbles like you don't have anything to offer Nobody's stuck around Like all the you know games and content these you know more extreme You know sides of feminism stuff has been making it's just been dying flat and going nowhere And so Yep What does blessed pipeman think of a lo I will hang on to that question I'm going to assume you may not even know him, but if he does it'll be neat to get his perspective It's our our resident puppet versus the cupboard puppet Favorite john carpenter movie that would be the thing for me. What about you shed? I don't know. I just think of um, uh, john carter from mars. Is that close to john carpenter? Can I pick that one? No Oh I kind of like our movie. No, you yet, but it's not john carpenter movies. They jump they jump really high He jumps then he then he like hits things with a chain whip and Stuff that's nice, but it's not allowed in the selection now. You got a couple to choose from I can read them out if you want you got the thing read me out. I see if I'll see I haven't seen it Halloween the original I see no I hate horrors and so it's very likely I've seen none of them Nope, escape from new york Oh, hang on. Is that with like kurt russell? Um, okay. All right. Is there anything else then a big trouble? Oh, uh, I would say escape from new york is so far my favorite. Um in the mouth of madness I guess that's kind of a horror. So you got escape from la but Yeah, and I think that's the main ones most people know so Yeah, um, like I said, I'd still go with snake snake bliskin The thing is like one of my favorite horror movies is so damn good and it like It's it's one of those ones that can really survive aging pretty damn well I love those ones. Um Mine's prince of darkness close second is they live for its ending best eldritch horror director Oh, yeah, a lot of people think he did really well with uh the love crafty and elements um in different parts of his movies Um, can I tell you about the time I wore blackface? I mean if you want to Uh, it could be an interesting story. I'm not gonna be against it All right Part of the reason wind waker had such a negative reception was because of an ad in nintendo power It looked very adult both style and in gameplay When the cartoony style came out many consumers felt like they'd been lied or baited and switched with the much better looking ads I mean, yeah, I don't have context for any of that but that's what that could be fair. Yeah Um, yeah, I wouldn't know Uh make no BS the final boss of efab mini video game. Why would he be the final boss? Come on He's terrible Who would you say would be the final boss? Well first of all like if we transpose this to like mario I would make um no bullshit the goombas Like he's just all of the goombas. Um final boss Probably I might want to go with a meme character instead of anyone we've covered Because oh really? Yeah, like because all the people we cover like I mean jenny could be or jenny's like the knights of jen has someone suggested. I thought that was pretty good She was the most aggressive, you know Or she wasn't too aggressive She just tweeted but then every or everyone came for a defense I was gonna say she'd be the kind of boss where you've got um a really like weak character that can be killed easily But they're surrounded by So many like units that have decent armor and attack and it's like a big mob boss sort of fight Yeah, as soon as you get to that center and kill it the all the knights just fall apart There you go I'm done cdi zelda game is the best so Oh, I remember that one. I remember seeing videos about it. It's uh very amusing the um cut scenes and stuff on it Uh glad you find chaps enjoyed the art the owl is bubo from the clash of the titans referencing bilbo And that is it's mollus spirit animal. Oh, there you go great streamers always and shad love your channel There you are. Well, thank you, man. Yes appreciate it. Sid Nicholson Very very awesome art and like I said if you can uh send me over you may have done it already I haven't checked my emails, but um Give me the the originals for any of them I would love to have them so I can uh get them out there for other people and use them in future Uh son of a bitch you guys started streaming and I'm drunk as fuck. What hellish video is on right now Anyways, while I'm not looking at wait, and why am I not looking at women? Well, you can't look at women when we don't have women gas or women coverage. I'm so sorry It's a rule Oh, whoops rags is right there. Hi wags. Yes wags and rags camps Uh considering the story. I think this art style fits Uh, yeah, that's another that's what we found interesting When I found out that the the game is A dream he's like oh Narratively seems like it works um Will he explain the secret of mario's jump? Somehow I don't think I love the a team and wanted to be mr. T I wonder what that uh Oh, but are you first of all, are you black and are you allowed to want to be mr T I was gonna say that's the guy who said he's got a blackface story. And that's that's probably what it was Yeah, all right New game when you're a creature traveling through a labyrinth avoiding the four dark spirits that seek to consume your soul And only using the orbs of power can you stay their wrath? Oh, so what what game is that? I don't know. So I'll just say it again. I'm gonna go slowly Uh, you're a creature traveling through a labyrinth avoiding the four dark spirits That seek to consume your soul and only using the orbs of power. Can you stay their wrath? What do you think that is? I don't know sounds very generic fantasy kind of stuff Well, okay, so this will be my first clue. I guess the idea is that they're describing A game you probably know In a much more dramatic fashion Hang a game. I know There's no way you don't know this game Oh really? Oh Do you want to do it one more time? I'm pie at all I'm not gonna be out of every think of it. Um Orbs of power. I don't know. Is it a board game? I'd say the biggest clue is saying avoiding the four dark spirits that seek to consume your soul Four dark spirits Labyrinth or enemies I can't I don't know The answer is in chat. You can see it. It's several They're all they spare me that way. Oh pack. I barely played pac-man at all. You don't need to have played it You should know I don't even I I I didn't even know there were four ghosts I knew there were ghosts, but there was restricted to four Wow chat Disappointment chat's gonna be unhappy. You don't know that about pac-man Ah I played dnd not pac-man Why okay Uh good job shad for episode three dual video press f Oh, thanks man. Yeah, I saw that one as well. Actually. I think I'm halfway through it. I need to continue it It was cool to see You know being like this works. This works. This works. It's like this what dodgy move not much sense there Like there's no it's it feels very unbiased Yeah, and um like Episode three. It's like it's really good. It's a really good fight scene Um better a lot better than a lot of people have assumed I've found Next one is actually I'm I'm not going to do a star wars one next I'm going to do a classic Princess bride sword fight scene and then I'll go to Luke first. I fade us so mix it up a little Like it was fun watching the uh the trolley one with you when you first came on e-fab I like that. I'll probably yeah, I'll probably do a um fight scene autopsy of that as well I've got to do all the big, you know famous ones um Mola I'd like to discuss this with you. Arlo so it's treason then pretty much The interesting thing is his video kind of precludes him from actually responding to us because we've broken his rule So rip like we tried Uh Opinion is made up of two parts subjective. What is good objective? How well the item meets the standard of what is good? If people agree on the former only objective judgment is left Um Depends on what statement you make I got distracted I have a little toddler running around It's okay. This it was definitely covered in the Oh, the the suit has like in and amongst the uh the four hours. I think of coverage we had is definitely covered today The new zelda art style would look good for a chibi robo remake Fair enough Robo remake, huh? Yeah, I don't um, I don't I haven't played the game. That's a reference to Uh, maybe the plastic like feel of lynx awakening makes it seem like link is in a dream wink wink. Yeah It's still not in the uncanny valley territory Well, he didn't even make that uh argument, but I guess he could have tried it I mean He said that it was like too much like real life or something that should be more surreal which Isn't really that argument, but you know, he could have explored it He wasn't defining how he was using the word surreal because They would just go off the more common definition, but it wasn't applying to accurately to his criticism. So yeah Susan sends her regards via free super chat. Why thank you, Susan I'd send back. Yes. What about pizza on pineapple? Is that gross? Oh You imagine a big slice of pineapple with a pizza on top of it. You bite into that That might be heresy times a hundred. That's like as you've entered hell at that point Exactly. You're already managed and it's just it's over Take my free super chat and like it very well Uh, it'd be like it. It'd be if an anime with poor art style But has a good storyline and good characters in a cool setting But because the art style low quality makes it bad anime He doesn't know what he's talking about He seemed to be making the point that um I don't even know when it came to like art style Because he went on the thing about adaptations in movies as a comparative statement for the art styles being adapted when you adapt a game Also, I mean it was just like where are you going? Yeah, no, it was a big false equivalence as well when he was trying to make that analogy and compare it to film adaptation versus game adaptation Um Because a lot of different things consider Uh, also alo is skipping over the fact that the entire game is in a dream of a creature Yeah, well Bring that up. Yep alo just talking with buzzwords like his ukulele review also a fringy wouldn't the cute aesthetic work because it gives off this Not what it seems vibe I think so. I think honestly just if you had a dream where everything was plasticky Man would it be like Wait, what like he's like, uh, because a lot of the times you you have a lot of um leeway and dreams You wake up and you're like, why did I think that was real? They can be bizarre sometimes a lot of fun I had a dream the other night where my wife was a military fighter pilot and I told her she's like That's the thing uh, people talk about like keeping a dream journal And the only reason I've ever wanted to is because I always forget dreams so quickly the most bizarre ones And it's almost like you should write this down just in case It's not only funny to recant to other friends about how ridiculous it is But also what if it led to an idea for a story? Something crazy. Yeah, it's possible It's possible. Um This whole video is basically I don't like it pretty much Yeah, and I like I said if you had just said that it'd be fine But it's when you start to develop the claims that support that And unfortunately a lot of people will grasp but something whether or not it's fully defined even for themselves and they'll be like that sounds about right That's why you know, like you didn't have to tell me why to be honest with you Um, if you wanted to be left alone, it's like if you saw making claims Yeah, I like it. That's exactly right. You started to go a step further and Be more definitive about his criticism playing it outside of his opinion. So yeah Uh, what are you guys thoughts regarding the longevity of the star wars franchise? I'm both inclined and disinclined to agree that according to red letter media It's narrative limitations inhibit said longevity All right, so my hope is that give it give it five maybe 10 years They will scrap the um sequel trilogy and uh started all over again And they might even bring back the expanded universe And try and go down that route and they might bring a new actor in to try and play a younger Luke Skywalker Still a bit older from turn to the Jedi, but could kind of pick up the storyline Sooner after the events of the last Jedi and much earlier before Force Awakens did that's my hope. I they just Throw it in the bin and just admit it was trash and let's do it make a do over Mm-hmm There's a good chance of that happening. I think especially because of dark fate decanonizing timonet a 3 4 5 It's like this is something that could happen guys. It could Hollywood has you know um decanonize things all the time and uh re made revamps trying Capitalize on stuff once more they do that constantly sometimes successfully sometimes horribly I also I was just gonna say I also think they would do it before giving up on star wars as in like If it was having star wars is too big Just abandon it completely Especially that certain other properties star wars properties are being really successful the mandalorian That shows that there is a still a massive audience that wants good star wars They just like all we need is a good star wars and we will embrace it like and love it and watch it Okay, but give us crap the trash that's been spitting out Well, then of course you're gonna get the um backlash they deserve Um, think about it if it's all a dream shouldn't it come off as deceivingly safe Like why is it the people on the island so bent on stopping you from walking? Like I said, uh, his arguments just they're not gonna work because you can easily make the reverse argument very quickly like Oh, it's not surreal because it's plasticky and real. It's like. Oh, it's surreal because it's plasticky and real There you go Like oh you have to go into more depth if you really want that to be concrete, but it's not um And the first thing I'll be thinking about in my script I'd be like, well, I'm gonna have to define what surreal is in order to tell people that it's not reaching the definition of surreal Yep The new zelda game looks like it's all claymation like wallace and grommet Cool That's not that. Yeah, that can be good or bad. Uh, it just depends on execution Uh, since I know you'll never watch it google image search love live Us girls and rank them from best to worst in your opinion based on looks. There's nine All right, just based on the uh, the description there is that I'm gonna stay away from that like the plague I will uh, keep that question I'm gonna Google it Between shows and if it's a safe thing I will have it and I'll answer it with rags So we can we can both do the ranking to make sure you got your question answered Is plastic water still wet? I'm gonna go ahead and assume no plastic water Um oi oi lads, how do you lot feel about the fast and furious films? I haven't bothered with the new spin-off, but I grew up with them You got a special place in my heart and fast five was a beauty I've actually mentioned fast and furious on e-fap before and I said they're a heck of a lot of fun They're really bad on a lot of levels, but they're great brainless fun. Not all of them. They're ones and worse ones Um, what's the one where they just drive around the middle of the streets dragging a massive? Um steel volts Is that number six four or five? Oh, well, does it see hearty? I lose count I don't know Such a brainlessly stupid fun movie and so That's what I think about the faster. They said it's safe. I'm I'm sure it could be safe But I'm sure you'd rather me keep the question for when rags is here as well um Because he'll he'll actually be invested in the ranking probably Uh Yeah, no fair enough, uh, I don't really care about fast and furious I saw the first and second and tokyo drift once I believe And I wasn't well those those yeah, I'll find them the weaker entries in the franchise it's when they decide uh like because Well number one and two It's like you're trying to be a bit more serious be a bit more around the racer thing And when they decide to say just stuff that we're gonna make it into a fun heist franchise With lots of fast cars and stupid, you know stunts and stuff. It became a heck of a lot more fun Yeah, uh, yeah, I was just gonna say that I was never invested really but um You know, they do seem fun from from the trailers This will help me stay sane through the week. I hope you have a great week mola fringy shad and jay and rags I hope you have a great Thanksgiving But thanks. Thank you, sir Uh, it's like too little graphics spread over too much expectations zeldo gannins I Am and still a fan of all those content, but this is the first video I felt disconnected from his overall point Um, yeah, I think that's fair as far as I know he makes good stuff I I haven't looked into it myself, but that video wasn't too great. It was very confused Yeah, and even if we disagreed with a decent amount of a single video, that's not a commentary on his content overall Uh Yeah, he could be a very nice guy and makes great good content generally And yeah, we we might be able to make it this time around, but we are approaching Uh, well, we we're under an hour left of time before the cap now so This is the third stream in a row that we've hit the cap As someone who originally played links awakening on game boy and is now watching my baby sister play it on switch They've both got great art to offer Yeah, I agree from the two I saw I think they're both achieving a lot with their styles and execution Uh, preferred mon warfare mode So mine's domination. Um, I like headquarters as well And I will put up with team death match, but I'm not a huge fan You got cyber attack or knight matches for me also partial to spec ops also campaign story versus original mon warfare I still haven't played the campaign, but um, I think wolven rags both said the campaign was relatively good And uh, also high rags Uh, I would say a remake has to have a substantial difference to the original even if it's only changing the ending So what people will typically say about a remaster is that you actually kept the original like, uh, code You've changed the graphics Um, and then it's like what if you alter that code and then how much you have to alter the code before it would be considered remaking it and um There's different terms like remake versus remaster versus like re I can there's there's a lot of things and it's complicated. What's how you draw those lines Specifically, but I think we all understand each other when we mostly use these terms to describe something Um, yeah, honestly every time I hear opinion my blood boils because people only use it to weasel out of the discussion Or run away from the moment they start losing Um, just an opinion guys. This is the thing. I I still say it. It's almost like a tick Like I catch myself like I don't need to say that. I just almost get it urged to say it Um But yeah, you know I just uh, most of the time like if anyone does say it and you pursue exactly what they mean by it It's often going to be a better choice of uh words that could have used anyway I think we've all culturally Come to a point Where whenever we want to say something that we want to signal to other people that we don't necessarily want Challenged or we we don't want to commit ourselves to in a in the sense There's like a truth that we can defend We will often say it's in my opinion It's funny because like I use that phrase more generally to uh kind of um Give forewarning that I'm about to say something that's subjective. Therefore. It's my opinion and I'm not stating. This is a hard objective fact uh, yeah, so That's just my use of it. I mean, I think that's fair. It's uh The clarity of knowing exactly what you mean by the word because this is the thing This is one of those words where everybody assumes that we've all got the same definition But we really don't and uh a lot of different people have a lot of different ways of breaking it down So they get frustrated when they're like, why are you criticizing this word? It means this and it's like, oh it does Yeah, it's especially applicable with my uh, um more historical based content about because I want to try and make a clear distinction between the Historical facts I'm sharing that I've been able to get far more confirmation on versus certain interpretations and uh pins I have of that period that aren't nearly as Evidence-based but still has good grounding for me that you know have the opinion I have but it's still more based on you know my kind of uh Interpretation of that period and you know direct facts as well. And so I use it in that distinction Also a slight bit of hindsight the game ran 15 fps I'm not sure if that Does or doesn't support a statement that someone said or didn't say I can't remember Um, you're enjoying art wrong Yes Wait for someone to make that statement Since youtube gives me free cash take it long man and friends. Thank you very much Oh, how nice Uh, so how do you guys feel about all the backlash that robot head is getting for his views on Mandalorian? He's been getting a big bucket of salt getting thrown at him in his comments Um Well, I don't want to spoil anything. Hopefully we're going to discuss all of that on the next podcast actually, um If we don't really what day in time? sorry What day in time this is ozzy. So it'll probably be a repeat of what we did today actually Oh, okay. Are you trying to imply you'd like to be there? Maybe maybe I got to check my schedule But I do enjoy the all these easy fat things and I like robot head And now I reckon it's pretty awesome of him being willing to review like his own video in each Stuff that won't be the easiest thing to do, uh, especially if We do have criticisms to levy like it'll be tough But I mean if you know, I also think that we'll have I'm definitely gonna make a point to Compliment his editing because I really like his videos Um, and hey, I've got criticisms of Mandalorian as well So um, yeah, but no promises yet. We're we'll we'll have to see if it's possible Um, oh my god, he's made point six hundred times now. We get it already. Yeah, Arlo repeated himself many times with the whole Especially towards the end Yeah This is why if it was scripted, I don't believe for a second that he redrafted it Um, I think that most people when redrafting something like that would definitely pick up It's it's interesting how that can work. Um, I don't know if you get this as well Maybe with the books or or not, but um When I'm redrafting some of my work, I'll be like, how did I think that was good to say? Like I've got this here and this here like you get um, I'm also what feels like a bird's eye view as opposed to the first person perspective when you're writing it when you come back to it You can see a different view in a way. Yeah Yeah, the revision process can be a very long hard to a sting especially with a book. Um, and so For me, I can be difficult to actually get a Bird's eye kind of distance perspective on many things. That's when you need beta reader feedback It's crucial because that's where you get the you know the Kind of separated more hard opinions are like, no, this is terrible Just it's not fitting right. Um, and it's like when you and went often when it's pointing out to you like Oh Okay, yeah, there you go Um, I genuinely want to pick up a switch now because this game looks so nice. I do not understand this argument one bit Yeah I would genuinely happily have him on to discuss this topic and it would take I would actually warn him I'd be like You do get the discussing the nature of opinions Is not something we can crack out in five minutes, right? Put aside six hours at least I'm gonna take a while But I mean, I yeah like a lot of creators When they get invited or or asked to be on e-fab and then they're like wait, how long is it and it's like well Um, it's always awkward because I'm like When you first invited me I had no idea how long e-fap was right and so I was like, okay Hour or so standard length and when we went for three hours I was like, all right. I better hop off because I'm take I'm taking making these guys go went too long Oh, you didn't realize the we were the long I didn't real No, not even up to that point, right? And then when it was on moolah and I said really comments people like wow you guys are not, you know Step up. This thing's a short e-fap. I'm like, what the hell that's short We principally me and rags as content creators and I I don't know if you feel this way as well But we're just like it takes as long as it takes. There is no it has to be this short Yeah, well, that's the same with my videos. There's a couple of smaller guidelines I'll use so say for example, you'd be like wait, so why don't you just put your entire tfa series into one video I'd be like for one I'd like to actually be able to have completed pieces as I go instead of being like it's not Actually ready for anything until I get every part done is kind of daunting But also I'm trying to split it up into what could be considered Movie length For an empty piece of content I think it's reasonable to use that as a sort of an average gauge of how long someone may spend on a video Not like it could be a six hour video. I could probably get away with it I'm just saying that like it seems to make sense to me that that would be a neat cap to have What was the neat cap again? It's like movie length average movie. So what I'm going for is like two to three hours But even that is quite a long movie typically Hmm it is But yeah, and that's perfectly fine. I was going to say this isn't about the podcast or the podcasts are completely Unfiltered and unhinged we go for as long as going goes mm-hmm I don't like to be like the idea that because you get some podcasts are just like Almost waiting for the timer to to complete And I think that's when you know the podcast is running out of steam And it's like we're gonna it looks like it's not meant to be sort of thing Like eFap is utterly insane. We've had three 11 and a half plus hour podcasts in a row and we're not finished at each of them I know it's great. And is there any other podcast that even comes close? Well, this is it's not I don't think so, but like there's a reason for that. It's that this is insane You don't do this. Nobody recommends this. This is insane. And you should be like, well Maybe we'll change the face of podcasts to a degree with this But like I think any normal person in any walk of life would just be like, how could you have that long of a podcast? That doesn't make sense But hey, you know, it works out for a lot of people out there I know like I think the answer would be is like, how long can you hang out with your mates? Well, there's your answer, you know Well, I think That's kind of a proof of chemistry for this show that me and rags can go for like 30 hours And we're still fine. We're just like, yeah still going Exactly Exactly Hi Ivan. Ha ha ha ha. I did the rags thing. I see his name is Ivan. So he said hi Ivan to himself. Not bad Indeed. That's how the hi rags meme got started. He sent a super chat to himself saying hi rags That's the origin people can't stop saying hi rags, but that's fine. That's glorious Um, okay, I have to bring this up Mola. An observation is not an opinion An opinion would be how it affects the enjoyment of the scene I disagree Um an opinion by definition of how I use it as judgment An observation is not a judgment wouldn't necessarily follow You can you can create a judgment based on all kinds of different pieces of information So yeah, I mean an observation is uh, what you do, you know, the uh force you have on assessing something that you are observing and But you don't know if they're definitively true and Anyway, and the thing is like, uh, you can have that definition of opinion I'm not actually going to stop anyone from that because it's very that weird is used in all over the I'm not going to say there's more of a definitive use of it. However My definition of it encompasses yours and an additional one. So What I mean by that is if someone says it's my opinion that I feel this way I'd be like, yeah So if an opinion's in a judgment and a judgment can be I've enjoyed this thing and from that information I can determine that this is something I like I'd be like that was a judgment. It was entirely based on subjective experience To make a subjective claim like that's fine with me That makes sense that follows through Um, yeah, and I also think uh, I think the word opinion is used in that context even by people trying scenario definition I then extrapolate though that if my judgment is You know, Daniel Craig is currently James Bond based on this information. That's my judgment. You'd be like, well Yeah, that's a that would be a judgment. You've made I suppose and you'd be like, yeah, so by definition It's also an opinion. It's not a very, um The problem with it is that you just be like would people really use it that way and it's like not Really, but the ones you do use are stuff like, um, you know, Luke is behaving inconsistently And then they'd be like, that's just your opinion. I'd be like, yeah, it's an opinion But it's objective. It's based on information that can't be denied. So Uh, that's that's received from the text. It's got nothing to do with my personal feelings And uh, you know, it gets complicated then and you might be like that won't count I'd be like, okay, let's get something more more agreeable. It's my opinion that uh, the disappearing knife in the throne room fight damages Uh, that entire sequence in terms of the stakes You'd be like, that's just how you feel. I'd be like, no, no, no, stakes can actually be quantified Like we can look at the power level of each character's Involved and how they're dealing with stuff and if I find out The fucking knives can disappear. The plot can literally wrap itself around ray and protect her by disappearing weapons That's crazy, man. It's so funny that it happened to ray of all people Like the one character that's under so much scrutiny for being a Mary Sue Fantastic. I think she's taken over as the face of Mary Sue now and like literary understandings and stuff She might be she might become the new default example now A lot of people are unhappy with that but um from what I found If anyone disproves The concept of her being a Mary Sue, it'll be based on very very harsh Uh standards about what a Mary Sue is And that she doesn't uh literally meet them and I think that that does a disservice to the label I'd be like, we know what the label's meant to imply as a shorthand Right? Yeah. And so if she doesn't satisfy every single, uh checkbox in relation to what a Mary Sue was originally defined as by its original Word usage, I'd just be like, yeah, okay. Even if we agree with that, it doesn't make her a strong character But like even if someone wants to be that pedantic to try and say the original meaning of Word was something different It's not how the language has evolved and I find it interesting the same concept applies to the word MacGuffin Um people use MacGuffin now really more synonymously with the plot device um When Officially MacGuffin and I made a whole video on this because people try pulled me up on it It's like, okay, officially MacGuffin does mean something far more specific um But with Mary Sue, I think it's It's like far more widely accepted to have a more common use in language That's no way near as pedantic as people might say it is Um, but yeah, and that's why uh That's my understanding of the weird opinion how I use it And if someone else tells me that's not what opinion means I'm like so in that case then would you do me the favor of saying I feel instead of this is my opinion about something's actually shorter anyway And then if you are you better follow up with what's a feeling instead of something that's definitely not when you make claims like Uh, I feel like the knife disappearing doesn't affect the stakes. I'd be like Follow Um Hello again guys. I want to make videos. I've been wanting to make videos for a long time years in fact Uh, I have ideas, but I lack the motivation. It sucks any advice Just do it Yeah, that's tough. Um, because every single person's going to have a different thing that will motivate them. Yeah For me, right? I I that's literally I needed to find something that got me in the mood and mindset And I'm referring to my writing in this instance, right? Um, I've to begin with I found it really hard to get into the mindset in the mood to write Until I realized that listening to how to write, you know videos and stuff Motivated me and got me kind of psyched to actually start Putting pen to paper and so what I did I literally started listening to writing, you know videos and stuff every morning Um, uh to get me in the mood to write and so if you find whatever motivates you realize like identify it and then use it to your advantage Um, uh, that was something that helped me for me, um the difference between not making videos and then making them was I was watching a channel whose style I really fell in love with and then I adopted portions of it as well as portions of plinket and portions of Uh, a hoi Uh, there's there's a bunch of people I was trying to amalgamate and then and then it's created my own thing now But um, yeah, I really like the way they were explaining stuff and the way that they edited and I was like, man I kind of I I not only do I think I can sort of do it But I also would like to create something that I think is that good and then also, um, it was Soma getting either nobody review it or people are reviewing it didn't understand the game at all and they were like it's pretty bad The story is pretty bad as long. It's annoying and I was like, okay I really want to talk about this game and explain what I thought was amazing about it and um And then that's that's what that got made and then immediately after finishing it, um People were like, what do you think of you must love outlast then? I think that was like a conclusion or whatever and I was like, why I hate outlasts and they were like, oh Whoa, you hate outlasts and I was like, okay. Well, maybe not. You know, I'll just make a video and explain it and then I did And then I played ds one and loved it ds two hated it And I was just like god that game was terrible and played ds three and loved it I think anyway, this is the timeline Then h bomb the guy came out with a video saying that um ds two is like a masterpiece of kinds And I was like this video is filled with inaccuracies And it's driving me nuts and I also want to expel how much I Wasted my time on ds two and so that's what created that series. What I'm getting out here is that like I didn't know that those things were going to motivate me to make the videos, you know what I mean, but they did And so like what how do you advise someone on that then it's like, um, I guess the easiest way is to just Maybe try and figure out what's not being said that you think could be Stick to the things that you know, you have your your heart stuck in Maybe try and experiment with video editing even though you don't intend to make the video and just see if there's anything That you're like, you know what this is possible. There's so many different things and Like we've had people who watch eFap say that like it's inspired them to want to make videos Right. I think I've read some out today possibly um That might not work for someone it might be more than enough to work for someone It's uh I don't know what exactly is going to work for you But I I hope you get there or whatever it is You need because I don't want to pretend like I have the answer because it's uh, it's gonna be really complicated and it's different for everybody But yeah, moving on um In my opinion a complaint is solely by the speaker's point of view and if it bothered them regardless of if you agree or not Don't at me though I just uh, I liked what? Rags red out as the definition of it But I didn't even it felt like a weird tangent talking about the definition of complaint And the way that he was describing what makes the complaint was really strange And it really seemed like you're saying that because people were Telling him to stop complaining and again. I'm doing the terrible thing He said don't do stop trying to assume people's motives and stuff. But that's what it really felt like kind of Same point worded so many ways lol high rags. Yes Well, it's sometimes it wasn't even worded in different ways He just said the same thing again. We'll be like, oh god Um, I think it's time a lo kermit suicide right raw a kermit. I get it very clever Uh, this video makes me want to swan dive into an empty bathtub at the top of raw's tallest roof Also, I'll bet you can't say I bet you can't say sagging backwards Yeah, that's that's not a wise thing to do on youtube you see Getting all of the troubles even though j longbunking gets away with it fine. This is the thing I'm pretty sure that youtube will ban people for using those words But in certain contexts, I think more so than others. But also, um I'm pretty sure if if you're black you can actually get away with it no matter what I'm not sure that you can get in trouble because like a lot of people Were uh, the j longbunk says it a bunch on this on this podcast But I was like, I don't think we'll be in trouble. She's allowed to say it right by youtube rules I don't know how this works. She's got the ass I mean We joke about it, but it's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that they would be in trouble if she was told She's not allowed to say it uh From different perspectives and stuff. So it's like, yeah, whatever But um, you know, there's a context for it all I believe there's even news reports where they've um They've used it and people there's this hot debate Even if it's in reference or a quote the people will be like you shouldn't be saying it whatsoever Oh, yeah, I got there was this one clip of uh, an interview on something Yeah, probably cnn where someone quoted someone by something he said and then he says the the word in The host was like, I I can't believe someone said that uh, no, and she cuts something Yep Forcing an opinion would be like not allowing someone into a friend circle unless you agree with them The thing about that is though that they might just agree with it on the surface I would also include torture, you know torturing someone unless they agree Yeah, yours is a much more forceful example. That'd be a forcing someone to forcing him an opinion um But what if what I want to do is force my opinion on others? I thought you said live by you do you I'm sure he would say you do you Uh, unless it inflicts on other people doing you, you know, I mean You you could eat like a whole bunch of Opinionated papers that gave you constipation and then when you're forcing it out Well, you could say you're forcing an opinion that the yes Yeah, um, I got I got the deep stuff now Nailed it. I'm very tired myself Um A summary of the last 10 minutes don't complain about my opinion, but you can have an opinion But don't force it on me while I force mine on you Shad said n words have opinions the council of color and I have convened and decided shad is the ceo of racism Hang on what did I say? Shad said n words have opinions I don't know exactly what's referencing. I just like the idea that you're the ceo of racism. Nice job, man How well does that pay? I've I've it is not so bad Well, I mean they actually try and take your pay by getting you blacklisted and stuff. So Yeah cancel culture Yeah, no, I mean, but you know as long as you get maybe a few years in you can save, you know It'll work out relatively So yes ceo, there's no going up from there, man. Nice job Thanks There we go, I thought you do you meant go screw yourself Technically, I mean look at the words. I mean I ain't saying it doesn't say that Oh, it's over. Thank the dawn. Oh, there we go. We're at the point and super chats will be finished the aulo video Look how far we've come Shad I've noticed some super chats being dropped not longer guys. So Oh, we always defeated eventually we will catch up We're uh, we've made some good progress on this e-fap The fourth matrix movie jk rowling reveals that neo was gay all along Also blade did the trench coats and shades before neo neo copied done at me So take a rolling review. Well confused. She's doing the thing. She's been doing that with her characters in harry potter, right? Oh, yeah with that. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember the one where she said like they used to magic out their poop? No, I had the thing was like, what did they do when they didn't have toilets or something like that? It was like, oh, they could magic out their poop. You're like, what? Oh The old story like magic did it because reasons Um rags mula chad. What are your massive opinions on the mandalorian? Is it worth its weight in rhino milk or should I be sailing the seven seas? ah Definitely worth its weight in rhino milk. I would say wait Um until the full season's out. Yes, that's true. Good. Good point We will be able to give you a stronger perspective on whether or not those seven seas should be sailed Uh mandalorian is the first piece of star wars media that's made me genuinely smile Hope it continues being good. Hi rags. Hi shad. Blessed be the dawn Hello, and I hope so too as do I I really want good star wars content. You don't know how much you it's like Water in a desert EFAP is a podcast about long wizards intended for children. No, no, it can't be intended for children. We'll be fined $40,000 No, that Um, I like to be the s more than the nolan movies because I had kryptonite and I like things with good rocks Don't at me though. Oh the rock thing Oh Eniz that is all meant to say this to efaps ago All right. Well, you got it out eventually. Not bad. Well done. Well done, sir Uh just popped to need to rewind great to see shad There you go shad. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, I feel appreciated. Oh, check out this this so about the whole philosophical discussions Uh, I think this is very relevant. This one says art is gay Well, all right, then Uh-huh complicated, uh Yoshi cledge yoshi cage kira got an erection from the Mona Lisa Okay Maybe so does that mean taiwan lannister is the greatest work of art of all time Why Hang on. Am I getting wrong lannister? Which which lannister is the apex homo? Oh, yeah, that is sorry Taiwan. Ah, I was right Um, oh, yeah. Well, yeah, sorry in reference to the art question. Yeah. Yeah, he'd be one of the best Greatest work of art ever Um as a glass artist, I have learned the value of art is determined by collectors If someone is willing to pay then that's how much it is worth I mean, obviously in terms of how much money it's worth It'll be basically based on what people are valuing them the money monetary worth out what they're willing to pay Sure I was wrong to say a value. We quickly corrected that to quality. So Yeah values another word that gets complicated because Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't want to go too far into it because I'm gonna try and push to get as many of these as we can in the 30 minutes 40 minutes less than 40 minutes. All right We can do it. We might be able to do this if I go a little faster Did you guys ever play Star Wars bounty hunter game with the early 2000s thoughts? I really like it Um, I want to play it again Because I'm probably it's probably not as good as I remember it being but uh, I had a lot of fun with it And it made me appreciate jango fair as a character a lot more um natural I didn't play that one played nice at the old republic, of course. Love those uh, Classic ones and the new styles game by ea is getting good reviews. I've got my own right now Yeah, all right. That's fine. I need to play more of that. I will Also high rags and shad Hi The value is based on the consumer while the quality of art is objective based I agree. I can happily agree with that now in terms of uh, the value like I said monetary value for sure Um, I can't believe how expensive some of this art crap is it's unbelievable. Yes Stuff my one two-year-old could do Yanis with billions. I can't stand that Every time every time I see patrick willams I regret that I gave up my training with the noose not for my neck. I've grown an immunity Also high wags and kick j a strange super chat I guess it's saying that he cannot kill himself via the noose and he wish he could now that he sees patrick willams I think i'm following um All right get evan on asap for the episode nine and orphan questions. Oh, we'll have him on Um, I might try and fix it so that I can get him and south prongs I know they know each other and uh, it could work out and we'll we'll talk some star wars or whatever else Um high rags. I have a dumb question. Oh, all right. I will save you Do Damn it and I never got notified you guys were live until five hours in I will catch the stream tomorrow I love the idea that like I didn't get notified until five hours later and I've missed less than half of the podcast Um, what are you some kind of big brain or something? Yeah, big brain big hair big gut big everything quote from kra the sea monster 1998 Sounds great Good quote Um, there's nut on an arcade game a chuck e cheeses I do not know what to make of that one maybe that's a mystery Reason is axiomatic because to argue against it you have to use reason Yeah, yeah, I'm happy with that Um, I just watched all three episodes of the Mandalorian you guys are still go That's not that doesn't count the three episodes of the Mandalorian is like an hour and a half If you said you watched all three lord the rigs extended editions, I would be like, okay. Yeah, that's that's kind of funny Yeah, I don't think that's possible though because the cap is 1145 55. Sorry, so Um hard counter to solipsism argument if I do not exist then why do you argue against me? What's the point? Um couldn't they they could make up any reason they want for that couldn't they? Yeah, um for the fun Can't remember when that would relate to what we're talking about Yeah, obviously I might not be answering that properly considering I might be missing the context there Uh shad what an eight foot tall man with superhuman strength wield a great sword as if it were a long sword Hmm There are interesting things to try and analyze eight foot isn't too much of an increase the normal So, uh, I don't think the square cube law would have too many detrimental things And perhaps they could maintain the same range of motion and speed as a regular person and if that was the case Well, that would depend on what strength ratio increase would be happen because they would have more weight to support And so more of their strength that actually go to supporting the additional weight But again eight foot isn't that much of an increase. So I will say yes. I think so Hmm And I said would they wield a long sword as if it were a bastard sword? Yeah, oh eight foot tall Yeah, I'd say that's about fair. I mean given that they have the right strength requirement offset. Yeah Uh, this says to sup my Reagan. I have a feeling. I know what that's backwards Uh seen joker four times when joker is being called to be on the show I'm pretty sure his master baiting in the back the only thing that makes him happy now. I don't get how this movies are rated Probably the scene where he stabs the person in the neck several times with the scissors. I imagine that's what might have been that Maybe just and the several extra shots into Murray probably made them go oof What is the policy on elevator music? Is it only used for wolf versus rag arguments? Or is it something else? May the don be with you? I did specify that earlier I think it's safe for when the argument almost comes out of nowhere and it's nonsensical and get kind of hilarious in between two people usually Uh, typically speaking, I try and if I'm not in the argument, then um It's better much better than if I am because it's kind of it seems kind of weird then We had the one time when me and rags were arguing and wolf tried to play it through his own headset and it came out horribly Um So yeah, it's this specific requirements is complicated Uh, thank you for always keeping it long and uncut I was wondering if any of you massives have an opinion on captain christian and send my love to wags I don't know who that is Me neither it might be one of the there's a couple of comic books that are very christian You know base and might be one of those but I don't know Uh, it was spelled with a k the christian I think Okay Objectively the subjective is the big gay also high rags big edius second book of the dawn. Oh, that's a quote. See yeah directly from big idiots big idiots, how do you get that? What's difference between luke pulling his saber to him without seeing that trick versus ray doing a mind trick without seeing it hate tlj just wondering high rags So one is clearly more. I'll let you go I was just gonna say luke is explained the basic concept of the force and in that it's in everything to a degree like it's all there's there's lots of Rhetoric or or well, I guess explanation that obi one gives that could Lead you to understand at least variations of how this thing will work But the key thing for me Is that luke is already reaching for it like he's he's just trying to get at it anyway and that the um The idea that the force goes beyond the physical there's a lot of um Implication for this is desperation like the fact that okay So the idea that something is very close to you, but just out of reach you may try to go for it Anyway, and there's a good chance that if the force is a real thing You might start to feel something that you weren't actually going for if you know what I mean And then you're like wait Let me really concentrate because something's happening here and I know that the force is a thing as opposed to ray who just Decides that she can mind control like mind trick like when And she doesn't fail in her attempts luke actually tries a few times Might be he tries really hard one time doesn't do it and then has to kind of calm down and refocus try again And so it's shown that luke is actually struggling more And it's more difficult for him to pull it off and on top of that There's a whole mood like like this is a second movie There's been a big gap of time between the first movie and this one And which it is it's kind of very evident that luke has been trying to practice with the force between that because it started with You know ob one giving him pointers and then in figuring you know trust instincts luke And you know at the end of the first movie And so it's quite evident that it was practicing through that time And that's a much longer period of time with ray She's introduced in that movie and in that movie before she really even knows what force is And what it can do and what it could do in it what her capacity is for it Bang she can suddenly force mind people and like whoa She fails the first attempt. So there you go. Did she yeah, she tries it once and then he says something like i'll tighten your restraints Ah, okay, my bad. Anyway luke struggles more Well, no, I don't even care the fact that she struggles to achieve it the first time in the second because there's just no through line I don't understand how she just decided that was a thing she could do. Where did that come from? Yeah, did she have any indication in inclination that she was force sensitive to begin with? I'm trying to I'd have to think back on the scenes exactly. My brain is a little bit melty right now I can't remember any uh any clue that she was You know force stuff, but me in the chat if i'm wrong a little bit Up to that point I really don't think so Oh, maybe her mind meld with um Kylo she starts to read his mind in reverse Well, like he see this is what I think that they could have done is Have kylo Give her mind control commands And she's like what are you doing and he's like confused. He's like Like this has no effect on you and he's like, uh, that's you know Like the only way this wouldn't affect you is but basically just have him perform the move And so that even then I'd say that would be way too quick for it to pick up because that's You see it's an ability. That's a pretty advanced force ability. Yeah, but at least you be aware of it Kylo gets yeeted down a pit, but patrick williams survives shake my head Fuck this timeline also high wags invite jay so we can kick him and hello all my n words Yeah, I I agree with all of that 110 percent um Yeah, also just to echo he said I really don't want to understate how much the gap in the films really helps the believability of it Yeah, like think of what you could possibly learn if you're I have access to the force and even even being alone Just testing testing testing testing Experimenting trying all this stuff. I'm just like I have to give some leeway that something's going to have happened um EFAP's not ending right everything will be okay. I'm afraid we will be ending in Under 30 minutes now Uh, good night your massives Guys, why are we talking about EFAP 61? EFAP 62 is on. Yes. That's true Uh, so if you guys are accused as alt right, but also alt left Does that make you alt middle hashtag alt middle after all? It's the best part All middle. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we are all right. Centrist say there we go alt middle That's the that's the we can just knew we are the alt middle the extreme middle Eagles were isolationist even Gandalf couldn't get their aid at times Also, the idea was destroy the ring in secret and eagles would give it away All right. So first of all Gandalf couldn't get their aid at times. That is not translated in the films No, it's not Um, and the idea was destroy the ring in secret and the eagles would give it away. I mean how Are you flying toward Mordor the idea is that they would be spotted? Didn't they fly really high up? Yeah, we kind of addressed they there's a lot of ways they could have flown and uh gone unnoticed All I'm saying short little trips is that I feel like the ideas weren't addressed by the characters in a satisfactory manner I would have loved it if you had an aggressive point from el rondo Gandalf about how these eagles are not our toys and that um You know something to imply that they have their own sort of ideas and civilization that they don't the the Gandalf It's just some some stuff because it's such a Such a thing that just makes you go. Hmm Well, if we're gonna point out things that don't exactly work perfectly in Lord of the Rings I get annoyed with the inconsistency of Gandalf's magic. That's one of my pet peeves magic system is Possibly the biggest floor of the Lord of the Rings. The magic system is very unclear I mean Gandalf has shown that he can heat up people's blades So they have to drop it and then his deflected arrows and his made energy shields That's protected him from battle rogues and all these really cool things that he only uses once they're all one-offs and Like when it comes to the point where it would be really useful when it's like finding the lich king or something like that Like Gandalf you have some stuff up your sleeve We're going to learn the hobbit movies what they established Gandalf can do and then that just ruins it even further Yeah, even wolf has said that the Lord of the Rings magic system is not strong And that's the thing it can be you can make magic systems that are much more restricted and understandable Um Ask rags the use figuratively for literally question I can do that. I don't know that he'll be on board considering how much he despises people who use literally to mean not literally It's like he like Use uh, we had a guy come on who we had covered and he used it in a sentence And like I think rags like his head off and he's like why are you so angry but he's like just don't use that that way Uh For don's sake cover houston productions one and brown table tlj videos. It's luke height a tyler And himla came back from the death and denied the hollow hull hull. Oh cost. Yes Um, yeah, we can you know the possibilities. We still got to do shawn's tlj video and jenny's one We got so much to do guys so much to do Uh, why is land why is lando's daughter not half millenium falcon? Objectively the best scooby-doo is the robot chicken special and the one with john senor saving them from the boulder trap I haven't seen it. I haven't seen anything. There's a good chance that's true though Shad awaiting your coverage of dooku versus anakin and obi one in both episodes two and three Dooku with limited appearances had a better narrative than snook Oh agreed That like I would like to do it But there's a couple more larger scale and more kind of uh, you know fights that have a bigger presence in pop culture That I want to cover before doing one that are a bit more smaller on the scale like it I I think um Dark mole versus obi one and quaggon is going to be Well before a dooku and anakin and the unfortunate thing is I did take a Brief small little you know look at the dark mole one from an objective standpoint really breaking down and wow obi one is doing some really bad spins there There's looking good for the review. Sorry guys Like he was doing good really good spins in um the fight on mustafar We're against anakin, but they didn't really have that in the first movie to buy a look of it Um, and yeah, I was just more saying that dooku was way better as like an established character than snook Um, oh, yeah by far well, and yeah, I quite like the uh the fight in episode three with dooku Um, but yeah, these are all things that I'd be like well shad tell me how well they did Um, I take it back the johnny bravo scooby-doo episode was the best. All right Uh kiwi farms documents and laughs at internet weirdos well the last bastions of free internet left out there lots of doxes as a consequence Laughs at internet weirdos. I'm assuming I'm an internet weirdo. Damn I'm okay with this Hi rags, uh rock and destroy diabetes by roofing him at mustafar. Yeah, that seems to be the narrative right now That's where you would do it Uh, please do an e-fab where batman eats toothpaste That's the okay More requests Shadiversity and vice don 2020 jab bin sim will rise Wait, does this mean that you'll be president and the don will be your vice president? Oh, hey, that'll be a pleasure and a privilege. Yeah, I'm all right with this. Yeah Uh, I'm drunk and ordering tacos lol. That's all. Hi rag Okay tacos. I love tacos. I'm yeah Uh, I'm fallen order illam jedi crystal geode homewills is confirmed star killer base under the nose of both the republic and luke's jedi order thoughts Oh, I'm assuming that's uh, some some lore from the game Um Yeah, I mean I'll be interested to see what the game offers about stuff like that Suggestion. I hate Yeah, I hate it too It's ridiculous. Um suggestion free fat movies machete one and two fun stuff Have you seen any of the either of them? No, they made a second one They did it's called machete kills All right. Yeah, uh ridiculous films, but again lots of fun you can get from them Jay, this is the frozen machete not the petition That's how wait, that's where we're at with the super chat So we we can't because I feel like we're actually getting kind of close here, but yet 20 minutes remaining I'll keep on going movie bob is type 15 diabetic Oh I did not know that Um, how much would you guys pay to watch episode nine with a crying trailer guy? Oh I mean, I don't know because that would be frustrating probably because he would be crying throughout the whole film about how amazing everything is Um, I don't know if I like I I'd get bored and I'd be like I want to leave now I don't know how much I'd pay for that probably wouldn't I just be like, I'm good. I can imagine it You can only put out with so much. Yes Um after my fourth super chat on the subject watch Hardcore henry dumbo's we will get around to it sure of it Birthday time this one's for rag all right Much birthday messages. This one's for mutely Thank you And this one's for shad. Oh by the way, I'm getting an english bill can't wait to start practicing hema Oh Nice english bill hook a very classic icon weapon used by the more common Soldiers and stuff good stuff and made a I made a video on it recently actually Alex from I hate everything just a two-faced disingenuous liar. I wouldn't go that far He's a little bit clumsy with how he talks about things that have happened I'd like to believe That he's made a few mistakes in regards to like recanting things that have happened between him and any of the efap people, but um He's also a little shy getting him to like Come on here or talk about things is very difficult But um, he does seem a little bitter as well at certain times and I It could make him look that way We weren't impressed the last time we looked at what he had said about uh different things out of his podcast But um, I don't know if I go as far as saying he's a disingenuous liar. It's like It's a tough claim, but there's evidence that could point that way for sure Um, I would touch wags as map I'm sure you'd be okay with that depending on the person Um Chris's film really comes to show how little he understands film He's become the same arrogant tone deaf director. He thought he was fighting against You know about this hang on Chris Stockman is this film out? I did not know this. Yeah, the short film is available Is it good? Well, we've got a video on it Do you? So if you it's only 20 minutes the the original if you watch that you can watch our coverage and see what we thought Um, I wonder if you've seen has been hotel is not great review and has been hotel review response by pk russell Basically a guy did a bad review of an adult cartoon, but his defense was reviews are subjective Of course he did Yeah, you can't get anything wrong a Um birthday money this one's for j i request a special polite asking of him to leave Well, see he left before we could do that. What do you want from me? Don't do anything I too request an asking of j to leave Invite j so we could kick him Only allow j back on stream if you can defeat diabeto and mortal combat use my noose also high wags Um, and this one's from a favorite green plague man froggled. Please amputate my legs so I don't have to work anymore. Yay Oh People are going to the extremes, man. If you say so I've got some swords that'll help in that regard. Yeah, that's true. Uh All right, um a big f for those of us on discord last night who attempted to read movie bob's first book Yes, there's more. I think I almost fell into a coma Has he written a book? He's written several Has he there's some of this really weird. He apparently compared mario brothers 3 to 9 11 Oh, so they're not there. What in like review books. They're not like I think so What you could call reviews combined with like Memoirs It's really weird Um, I don't know. I did look into it. But yeah, uh Movie bob's one of the most unique human beings on this planet in a bad way Okay, I saw shawn streamer fallen order and he's genuinely terrible at what he does It's three hours of dead air and small comments about the game also. Hi rug Yeah, that's the thing. Um, I think shawn would be another example of a person who in the videos seems like could be confident could be Uh personable and get along well, but then you meet them in real life and they're probably someone who talks barely at all And uh likes to avoid sort of maybe a social environment He does like I'm just saying it seems That way from what I've seen in his videos, but I could be very wrong um The personality in the video isn't always the personality that you get in a like a live setting I guess Can be complicated Good evening fellow incels and hello rags wanted to ask how to get a meme on efap thoughts on jojo rabbit Not seen it neither a shad, but we both hopefully will eventually And the memes are best sent through the the discord twitter or the subreddit I try and keep track of the lot. I can only do so much. Sorry if I miss it um Matt Smith is a young clone of the emperor. Why? I don't know Oh Is that the actor they get to do words? I don't know. It might be that smith Like dr. Who yep Oh Sorry, I'm sorry Um as a as a willy the flutes are the objectively inferior genital slang All right. Yeah, his name is william. So he would know um I'll boost myself a little bit apparently. I'm sounding a bit quiet. I think it's because I am um fighting the urge to sleep Uh long roof is one of my favorite ancient scholars Makes sense. Have you guys watched taxon's video on rags? If so, are you planning on responding? Seems like you are more than a futism. He takes He's gonna have to wait Oh, gee, sorry. Um, it's gonna take some time for us to Get through a lot. I've got a lot of e-faps planned. I mean, it's funny This was a planned e-fap to have shad on to talk about this video and as a result This one we've got a new one planned now for that other video. So And it all goes into this big selection I've gone it's tough because I'm also trying to evolve new guests and the thing is like we I've said this before we didn't cover the toro video on rags Like I want to say half a year or something. It was it was a long time And we only covered it because enough people thought that there was good arguments in the video Who are fans of ours and we were like, all right, let's tackle it and it was awful So if enough people were to say something like that or if a narrative was fun That it's like this this destroys rags, then yeah, we'd be more rushed about it But it's just it's such a bad video. Um The arguments are so thin and and the conclusion by the way is that rags is the worst youtuber on the platform And like yeah, you laugh because you're like, oh come on You can dislike him, but don't waste come on So yeah, we don't take it that seriously, but you know, it's I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but I have been getting the impression That it's a little bit of a feed the troll scenario Uh, taxon's been very invested in plugging and chipping away at eFap whenever possible And uh, I'm getting the impression that it's to boost the old channel Instead of actually addressing issues and stuff Anyway kicking on uh, take some cash my g's and have a good Thanksgiving. Hi very much Uh, hi rags. I hope I haven't acted too much of a tism on discord And a question. Have any of you played pokemon sns? And what's your take if yes rags hasn't played it? And I don't think he gives a shit about pokemon. Uh, we did address this a little bit earlier I think someone asked about it. So Hopefully the question has been answered. But yeah, not huge pokemon fans here. I don't think um I loved the first. Well, I love pokemon blue yellow and gold. They were the ones I played the most Back in the day Hi rag recently got divinity Os2 after watching your vid and I'm greatly enjoying it though the physics and magic armor negating Oh wait, you know, I'll just save this question But it's a phenomenal game divinity original sin. I love it Definitive vision is really is much better than the original and the original is great as well. It's all good Uh, wags measures come in liters confirmed also high wags I mean, I don't think he's gonna deny it Uh, throwing in shekels during my break. Love you guys. Thank you very much The lesbonios get them It yes, the lesbonios the uh, you can't have lesbonios. Uh, who was who did that come from? I think it was uh I want to say it was like a content creator My brain would be able to recall this. I can actually feel the mechanics in my brain are moving really slowly It's like Searching files. I'm like, come on, brain. What are you doing? Uh Oh, yeah, that woman that was it. There was a restaurant owner that doesn't like Lesbians or I maybe gay people in general and I was like, oh, no the lesbonios Um, what's your favorite tea mohler? I don't have a favorite tea I like a lot of different ones if I'm gonna drink it, but I typically don't even drink tea I may fail Britishman Um, also high wags. There's one episode of scooby where velma says it's old man's so-and-so But it's actually a random guy and they never met and velma got salty saying it didn't count Uh, is scooby do is awful fight me Don't at me. Yeah Don't at me. That's the one I just said is scrappy do saying puppy power the dog equivalent of him saying white power Oh, no Uh night Yeah, go ahead, but I'll just say he's literally throwing two years, you know kind of uh Well, that's not exactly racial type, but it's uh Something should be condemned you are right. Yes. It's horrible Um night. I look forward to this being read on efap 64 Oh, no, we got you in the same one. We nailed it Bang rags don't insult hitler by comparing him to the unspeakable evil of scrappy do also. Hi I like beginning scrappy, but when it's just him no, oh so when he was first in it. Okay Um, I am liberty prime. I will accept mod status to defend the chat against chinese invaders and remember death is a preferable alternative to communism Oh, well It'll be pending again. When are there more people and impression? What again when there are more people and impression? I think that's in relation to this scrappy do thing is the same account Uh rags any chance arch will join efap. He almost did uh last week Um because there was a couple of guests dropped out and we we just cycled through a couple of possibilities. We let people open and um Uh, we will get him on it'll happen. There's a lot of people we're we're trying to find the right time and place for Um epstein would be the perfect captain cutler on an account that both aren't dead and both would pretend to be their own ghost fitting, wouldn't it? Sure Let's get epsteed into a lot of uh Maid stream storylines potentially if the episode nine leaks are true Apparently ray didn't love ben enough to save him nor did luke or leia or han so much for that theme We'll see uh, I'm assuming they're gonna contradict heavily odd stuff to do with family. It's gonna be abusing to say the least More and rags. What do you think of star wars jedi full in order apparently wolf hates it? But he's wolf so Yeah, wolf's gonna make a long form review me and rags are intending to play it. He's gonna do it for review I'm gonna do it because I want uh to get through it and to have footage So that question will be interesting in future. I didn't know wolf didn't like it I've just been hearing good things from it. So he's played it to death. He wants to play it more to death He's got a lot to say about how everything works in that game And I think his conclusion is that we've we're we're reaching so much bad star wars content that even mediocre star wars content is looking great Um, but I don't want to I don't want to put words in his mouth Like I'm not sure if he's saying that at all you'll have to check his twitter takes on it But I'm pretty sure he doesn't like it Um, yeah, we've got just over seven six seven minutes We won't be able to get all of these but I can get close. Um I want to be the hulk because of the prawn apparently Oh, yeah, that was something we covered on an e-fab as well. That was I am that robby. I think that's e-fab like 28 or something So much law um Knights of ren golden company snoke jaws sequels dark fate pandas su polio watson vader or my sanity What wins the title of most redundant? Redundant uh that would be I probably go with golden company Because in the season they were hyped up Beyond belief and they may as well have not even have been there. They did absolutely nothing And they were like a tenth of what they were promised to be in size Like you can't get more redundant than You were deleted by happenstance And nobody even cares She's just like, okay um I do like good Arthur, but I came for a bonfire That's for the clown face as well. All right Alrighty Diabetes can vote for every type of diabetes he has Oh, so he can vote He's got 15 types. He can vote 15 times. Okay, I understand Um Just wanted to say a start ease was hacked or is still hacked. Yeah, we'll uh, we'll obviously be keeping an eye That sucks, and I hope it gets sorted out youtube could really Afford to lend a hand there Um I'd use the n-word pass to read the sith dagger then use it to destroy all of jj's recording equipment So we don't have to finish this trilogy. Oh, yeah, that's a part of the leaks The efab meter better be 12 hours minimum or else Oh, we probably would make it really long to be honest with you If we did it, uh diabetes was just baby galactus learning the ropes Makes sense to me Mola Mola fingers rags halo three flood door My goodness. I don't really know what that means exactly, but it sounds horrifying Um, I know the flood though. They're like the zombies of halo if I follow some of it. Yes Uh, please look up harman smith for future efab, please Harman smith, I mean I can have a look. I'm not sure what I'll find with that Uh, I meant to say rank them in order of redundancy The star wars movies I mean would could you say any of them are redundant like I always sorry rank them in order of redundancy the the selection you gave me I can't do that unless we have a really long answer. We might you know, I'll save the question See if I can do it with rags Um Another point I can probably answer another three or four maybe more if I go a bit fast Um Lava does not contain sugar diabetes. Oh has no power over it lager lava kills many creatures build fire resistance for that one Ra and may the dawn bless you. Yeah, that's just advice on how ra can Get rid of the diabetes problem. I suppose Here's your tracker for the start of episode 62 super chat 146 Um Didn't make it 146, I guess. Oh, I guess 146, but which time zone Ah Um a pork jenny jar jar scrappy bob stuckman hybrid Why would you want that? Why would you even suggest that? Uh Wolf's new catchphrase hello all my fellow steam boats Has wolf seen him yet? No, no, I don't think so. Um, and let yeah, I don't think he was there for that Was he there for memes? What did he go? No, I don't think he saw the steamboat thing now because ben was there so and he missed that um Which would you rather admit tlj is a cinematic masterpiece or argue for the positive merits of homosexuality to ra on the top of a 35 story building I can go with the second one had a fun with that Sun god isn't gonna throw me from the roof I'd go the second Loving Vincent equals 2016 van go oil painted movie. Oh, yeah, I heard about that look really cool Um I'm all a high rag still cashing up at a 52. Happy to see wolf come back as we all Come back as we all were. Oh, yeah. Yeah, everyone's really happy to see him back and Hopefully in future too All right running close to the end here. I'll do my best Shadowview plans to be at the abbey next year missed you at the recent one much sadness I don't know yet. Unfortunately. My health is actually a bit on the downside these days Uh, and so we're not sure if I'm gonna be up to traveling It's just like I'd love to try I'd love to get there, but we just need to figure it out Yeah, I imagine it's a lot of fun seeing you at one of those things Oh, that was massive. I was it was such a good success as well So if I'm going it'll certainly be announced though And hi rags. Hi muesli. Hello Hey mula, I don't know how often you watch anime, but what got you to watch one punch man A friend of mine highly recommended it I decided to check it out Same with most the anime I uh looked at so if major lee looks at women what jeb nickles look at She looks at major lee. Do you see that's how that works back to back Nearly out of time as a fellow ozzy. We leave the toilet door open in case of spiders snakes box jelly fish and drop bears for easy escape Yep, you have to just take on my count and uh I will jump a little bit ahead to read this one. Ra said this is for christmas toys for the shadlings if they're into that kind of thing And you drop 50 dollars, so I will pass that along we can talk about that as soon as the stream ends, which is going to be in a couple of seconds So Thank you everybody for the kind donations. I will read the rest There's not a huge amount this time on the next efab which will be a week from now. Hopefully We've got memes to cover. We will sort them out in the next one and Yeah, thank you everybody for staying as long as you did for for keeping up with us and um Thank you for the guests of which many have left gone to sleep and woken up or gone to the jobs and come back As naturally they do It's been a lot of fun And uh, yeah, we will catch you again. Thank you shad for hanging out with me so long as well I really appreciate it too being an absolute pleasure, sir, and I will see you guys later as well Goodbye all and have a good one