 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am your host, Krista Burns, here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is Commission's weekly online event. We're a webinar, a webcast, whatever you want to call us. We'll recover anything that may be of interest to libraries and librarians. The show is free and open to anyone to watch. We do them live on Wednesdays at 10 a.m. Central Time, but if you're unable to join us on Wednesday mornings, that's fine. All of our recordings are available on our website, so you can go there and see everything that we've done over the years. Watch recordings, get the PowerPoint presentations available, and the interesting links that were related to shows, handouts, we put all of that there on our archives. We do a mixture of things here, presentations, book reviews, mini-training sessions, interviews. As I said, if it's library related, we are happy to have it on the show. And we have an Encompass Library Commission staff that come on the show and do presentations. We sometimes have guest speakers as we have this morning, which is some we have next to me, someone from another commission, Nebraska Library Commission. We are from the Nebraska Public Service Commission. Colin Robbins is here, and I don't have one here. What your title is? Well, it's kind of long. It's IT, Telecom, GIS Analysts for the Commission. So I work in the Telecommunications Department of the Commission. Cool, okay, great. And he's going to share with us this great broadband map that I've looked at before, that they're trying to put together for Nebraska to see what's going on with broadband across the state, and a new mobile app, too, that is the same kind of info. So I'm just going to hand over you to take it away and tell us all about what we're doing with Nebraska. Thanks, Krista. I'll just, yeah, start by kind of telling you what we're going to go over. We'll start with a broadband map, and I'll show you kind of how that was developed, and how it works, and some of the features that it has that will potentially be useful. And then after that, I'll go on to our mobile phone app, and why we have that, and how we can use help from the public for that. So we're kind of trying to spread the word on what that is, and I'll go into detail on that a little later. So I thought to start, I'd first define what broadband is, because sometimes there's kind of a misconception about what we're talking about when we talk about broadband. And really, what it is, is the ability to transmit a lot of data or information from place to place. A lot of people kind of get mixed up with the internet, and I kind of like to think of broadband as kind of an analogy would be like the road system. You know, highways and interstates are used to move a lot of different things quickly and more efficiently than say a single road or a city road. So for broadband, it's moving that those larger amounts of information from place to place, and the internet is really just something that utilizes the broadband network. So it'd be like, you know, trucking or something. It's something that uses the network, but they're not really the same thing. So another way that a lot of people define broadband is by speed. So and that's kind of hard to come to a concrete definition of what broadband is by speed, because that's always changing. For a long time, it was just considered anything faster than a dial-up connection. When you're accessing the internet, the NAT network, if it was faster than dial-up, would be considered a broadband connection. But any more, you see things like three megabyte download, one megabyte up is considered broadband, or the FCC is talking about defining broadband as 10 megabyte download, and I think it was four up or something like that. So it's always changing, but really, I guess the main idea is that when you're moving large amounts of information, the broadband network is what supports that. And so most people use the internet on a broadband network, but that's not the only thing that those networks are used for. I mean, any more phone calls are made on a lot of times on a broadband network. So just wanted to find that and make sure it's kind of clear what we're talking about. Let's see, I'll advance the slide here. I'm going to make sure I keep up with the slides. So the project that we have been working on since 2010 is obviously centered around broadband, but it's a project that was developed through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2010. And the project involved grants that were given to the states, and then the states were charged with helping to integrate broadband and information technology into the state and local economies. So in Nebraska, I believe the governor designated the Public Service Commission as the entity that would carry out that project. And that project really involves two separate things, a planning piece and a mapping piece. And we realized, the commission realized pretty quickly that we were not suited to be able to carry out all those things at once. So we enlisted the help of the University of Nebraska, the Department of Economic Development, AIM, and the NITC. So they're largely involved in the planning piece, and I think it was maybe a month or two ago you had Charlotte Nargis and Connie Hancock on. And they are very involved in that planning side. And we are involved in that a little bit, but we kind of take the forefront on the mapping side, which is kind of what we're here to talk about. So... Is there a similar type thing going on in other states across the country? Yeah, there are several different states that have really the same thing. Every state did it a little differently depending on who the grant was given to. It wasn't always given to Public Service Commission like it was in this state. Other entities were given that money. So each state was kind of allowed to customize it as they see fit, but some of the requirements, besides the planning side, were to have a statewide map so you can go up and see similar maps for other states as well. So in Nebraska, the mapping piece developed kind of gradually, but the way that it's done is that twice a year we request data from providers throughout the state, asking them to provide us data about where they provide broadband throughout the state, what type, what speeds, and what type of service they provide. And so we collect that information twice a year. It's collected at the census block level. So if a provider provides service in a census block, that essentially says, yes, that census block has served and we report that. And then twice a year we collect that data, put it all together, and we've developed a website to display that and make it usable for anybody to log on. So I'll show you a demonstration here of the site just for your references. Broadbandmap.Nebraska.gov. You'll see it listed on the top of the page there. Okay, let me switch over here. Is that okay on the screen? Okay. So this is the site itself. So when you first log in, there's actually a little disclaimer that you click on and agree to. It's just telling you kind of what you're going to be looking at. And you'll see on the left side there's a series of tabs here with features below it. And then on the right side, you see the map of the state. So the first thing that you see again is with the start here tab. And really what this whole set of features is used for is to look up by address or by a pin drop or by your city or county what who the providers are for that area. So for example, I will let's choose a town here randomly. So we chose Unidilla, Nebraska. When you do that, it brings up a list, a couple of lists on the left side of the screen there. There's a provider list and the service is available list. So under the providers list, it shows you all of the providers that say they provide service for that municipality. So for example, on this, you see Viasat. When you hover over the provider, you'll see a little window on the map pop up. It tells you what type of service they provide and also a link to their website in case you want to actually follow up and look into the information on what type of service they provide. So Viasat is satellite, for example, Zeto Media as you see there is a cable provider. Future Technologies is a fixed wireless provider. All of the mobile wireless companies that serve that area will come up. So for example, US Cellular as you see there, there's probably, there's Windstream and Verizon. You'll see on this, in this example, United Private Networks shows up and they're in a different color that's kind of highlighted. That typically means that they provide business services only. So that's something to keep in mind as you're looking through there. And Unite, for example, provides fiber based services to the user. So that's, you're talking about kind of your highest speeds available. Those aren't always available to just the general public, but businesses can often access them. So again, that's This is a good way to pick a new service provider, maybe. Yes, yeah, if you are unhappy with your service at home, this is a very good way to figure out what else is available. Wondering if there's something better, cheaper out there. Exactly. Exactly. And again, you can, you can look that up by typing in your address. If you want to drop an opinion, you're not limited to only by city or county so that's how you find out what services are available in your area. If you click on the coverage tab, you can start to investigate some of that data that was submitted to us. One thing to keep in mind is that when we collect data from the providers, we kind of, we haven't agreed with them that we don't necessarily want to show their footprint in detail, because that's kind of proprietary information. So really, the way we get around that is that it will show you when you're at a certain address what's available for that address, and then we show some generalized information that I'll show you here, but you'll never be able to say, to look up, say, Winston and see exactly where they serve throughout the state. I guess you kind of do that in a backwards way, but it would take you a very long time to figure that all out. So anyway, when you click on the coverage tab, there's a number, again, a number of options that pop up. You can look at state-wide, and again, if you, in the map piece, if you look, click on the little globe, it'll bring you all the way back out to the full state. And those sliders and magnifying glasses will help you navigate. Under coverage, you see the top piece, there's a number of different options. If you click on, for example, the wireless speed tier coverage, you can look at what the highest speeds available are for any given area. So you see for Nebraska, it shows up pretty high speeds are available, are advertised as available for most of the state. See, there's a couple of pockets in the sandals that are not covered. You can do the same thing for wired speed tier coverage. It looks a little bit different. So these are your DSL, cable, fiber providers that show up here. And again, you can always zoom in any piece at any time. And you can always toggle those selections off if you want to look at different speeds. So I give you some information about the coverage. And then if you're interested in, for example, where is fiber available throughout the state, that's always something that I find pretty interesting to look at. Fiber is really looking at the highest speeds available. Yeah, that's kind of what a lot of a lot of the providers are moving to just because the speed, the capacity for speed is so much greater than the other types. And really, you know, when you're talking cable and DSL, you're talking about copper network and copper is pretty expensive now. So it's it actually from a financial standpoint, I think makes more sense to lay fiber. So I was like to click this on because I find it pretty interesting, you know, if you think maybe before you see this map about where do you think fibers deployed in Nebraska, most people probably say, Well, you know, big cities and that's probably about it. But that's actually not the case as you see on the map here. And actually, you know, that's it's a little bit deceptive because Lincoln Yeah, if you do zoom in, you'll see that they do have some fiber deployment. That's more on a on like, you know, they see the actual fiber lines, where they're located in those cities. And then you see Omaha. But again, statewide, you see a lot of these pretty rural areas have fiber deployed. And that's a lot of that's because these are operated by kind of local companies that have been a little bit more progressive and have decided to really take advantage of some opportunities to deploy fiber throughout their their territory. So it's pretty interesting to me that that there are some places very rural areas like, for example, Clarks, Nebraska, I think that you can get fiber that they have fiber to the home. You know, if you live within the territory that that company serves, you can get fiber service a really extremely high speed connections in that area. Whereas I live in Lincoln, in the south part of town, and I don't have that option. I don't there's no fiber provider that runs service to my house. So in a lot of ways, some of these rural areas are further ahead of even places in Lincoln, Omaha. So anyway, that's one thing that I always find is interesting to look at. You can also look at fixed wireless service, fixed wireless service is kind of like it's kind of like having Wi Fi at your home, it uses a little bit different technology, but that's at least the way to think about it. So you're not running a line into your house, you're, you're getting service from a like a tower somewhere. It's not exactly the same towers you would be from like your cell phone tower, but kind of the same idea. So you can also look at mobile wireless coverage, as a tab under there. And this is again, all the companies kind of kind of put together so you can't look at it necessarily by certain provider. And we'll get to why that's kind of interesting in a little bit when I talk about the mobile app, because this is kind of what we try to address with that mobile app is to verify, is this accurate and why or why is it not. So the other options under coverage are kind of interesting. You can turn on community anchor institutions, it'll show you where your schools, libraries, hospitals, etc. are. You can also turn on the county and region polygons, I guess I'll say if you want to show you where you're at within the state. And you can toggle the transparency on those if you want. Under community anchors, you can switch on and off whatever you want. If you're only interested in libraries, for example, you can look only at libraries. Again, this is data that we collect every twice a year. So sometimes, and I have to say sometimes our community anchor institution data is a little bit behind everything else. So it's good, but I'm not saying that it's perfect either. So keep that in mind as you look through it. If you have, you can always let me know if there's suggestions on that. So again, with the coverage tab, you can kind of look at the data a little bit more in depth and kind of investigate that. Under the speed test tab, that allows you to actually run a speed test at your location. If you're wondering, well, how fast is my connection at home? Or wherever you're at, you can do that. If you're at your home computer, you just say find an address, type in your address, and it'll find your location on the map. Otherwise, you just use the push pin so we can maybe test one here. I don't know if it requires some Java updates and stuff sometimes, but we'll test it out. I'll ask you to put in your provider, and if you don't know, I will just put other. And if you don't know your technology, you can do that as well. It'll run the speed test. So this is actually going on your computer and seeing what you are actually getting, not what your provider is telling you you can get. Sometimes that is different. Oftentimes it is different. So you can see here at the library, we have a pretty good connection, 79 megabits per second is a very good connection. And I ran it upstairs in our office, and it was over 100. So good connections here. But you can see kind of how that's used, or how you could use it if you wanted to. So that's the speed test option. Also, if you need help, obviously the help table lets you look up information. And the other feature that I kind of wanted to point out is the feedback at the top. If you click on feedback, you can basically send an email. I think it'll eventually come to me. You can type in questions, or if you have issues, we always encourage people to use that. Or if you have issues with your internet at home, that's one way to at least ensure that we'll see what's going on there. So that's really the mapping site. I have a question about it. Sure. What's the criteria to make something an anchor institution? Oh, that's a good question. I don't know that I know the answer. I mean, some of it's kind of obvious looking at those lists. If it's a school, it's a school, if it's a hospital, but are there can someone say, well, we're not on there, and we think like the government ones maybe might be more... I think there's probably a definition in that the NTIA has put forth on what is a community anchor institution. And I honestly, off the top of my head, I don't know what that is. But, you know, obviously, if it's a library hospital, school, university, it'll qualify as a community anchor. So if, you know, if you, I can find that information, I don't know off the top of my head exactly what that definition is. Yeah, because this is something that came from the NTIA saying, do this, so they had their criteria of what they wanted it to come out as. How they wanted, yeah. So that, yeah. So I'm going to click back on the mobile wireless and touch on this one more time. And the reason why we have the mobile app that I'll talk about in a couple of minutes is that we see this footprint and it, we start to kind of wonder, well, you know, when I take my phone around the state, do I really see this level of coverage when I go from place to place? And for most people, it's probably not the case. So one thing we've always struggled to do is try and validate some of this information, especially mobile wireless, because, you know, they provide you the data and you don't really have any idea if it's correct or not. So we found a way to do that using a mobile phone app. And let me switch here back to, no, let me, I'll come to that in just a second. I want to mention something else on the mapping website. The NTIA grant funding for that that site will end in January of this next year. So that part of the grant is coming to an end. That's the bad news. The good news is that the FCC is going to continue this data collection through what they call Form 477 data. And actually, we're on our last data collection for the NTIA grant right now. It should end at the end of this month. The FCC is running a concurrent one, a concurrent Form 477 collection to kind of mirror and allow that transition between the two to happen more smoothly. So the FCC is really going to kind of collect data in much the same way as what we've done before. And the good news about that is that the FCC data will eventually be publicly available once they collect it and process it. So our goal and what we plan on doing is continuing the website. We have plans to continue that and we'll just start using the Form 477 data once the FCC makes that available. So our grant will be ending, but the website will continue. So that's kind of a good news for that. And we anticipate that it'll look and operate largely the same. So back to the mobile phone app. Again, we're trying to figure out ways to validate that footprint and it's kind of difficult. And we were approached by this company named Mobile Pulse. And what they have is a phone app that you install on your mobile device. And it relies on people that install it on their device to actually kind of collect data for us. So our challenges that were pretty small. There's only a couple of us really on the telecom side that would be able to collect this data. And two people, it's very difficult to collect statewide data on where coverage is. Especially because I have one phone and it's used as one provider. So the idea is to get members of the public to download the free app, install it on their phone, and when they travel around the state they collect data for us. So the idea is kind of a crowdsourcing app on your phone. Again it's free. And the nice thing is that it runs in the background. So once you put it on your phone and start it up, it runs and you don't ever really have to see it. So when it moves, it's smart. It's a smart enough app so that it knows when you move from place to place it'll take a measurement. If you're sitting in your house it's not going to continue to take measurements. The app is available on all of the major device mobile platforms, you know Apple, Android, and Windows Mobile. And again it will run tests on whatever network you're on. So it'll run Wi-Fi tests if you're using Wi-Fi. But again the interest for us is when you're using your your mobile phone network. It'll run tests then on the speed information there. So you see in the corner there's an example of what the app looks like when you load it up and it starts your on the speed test. We do have a question about it. Hold on a sec here actually. Michael you're unmuted. Hi. So I've been running the FCC version of this. Is there a benefit to me running this one instead or alongside? That's a really good question. Well the first benefit is that we have not seen yet what the FCC data looks like. So I guess there are a few advantages and I'll try to remember them all. The first one is that I think the FCC limits the number of tests it runs to maybe a couple per day or something like that or run one in the afternoon and run one at night or something like that. And ours will run, I think it's set to run every 10 or 15 minutes or something like that. So that's the first advantage. The second advantage is like I said we haven't seen the FCC data so we get this data and we always have access to that. And then eventually we kind of plan on putting this some of this information possibly out on our mapping website. Well I guess it's not really an issue anymore but for a long time the FCC app would only run on Android. I think they've come out with an Apple iOS version now but for a long time that was the case. So that's never been an issue with our app. Really the main advantage is that we get access to the to the mobile pulse information where we still haven't seen any of the FCC data yet. So okay great quick follow-up question if it's running the test that often what sort of impact on my like you know data usage is that going to be? That's an excellent question and I will get to that in just a minute here. Okay great thank you. Sure no that's an excellent question. Let's see I'll just go right to that I guess. There really what I would call two versions of the of the app. There's the public app which is what we encourage people to download and then there's a what we call an advanced app and I'll get to what that is in just a minute. First of all again another thing I want to mention about the app is that the data that it collects with that public app is anonymous so you know there's no way that it can be used to track people or to you know figure out any information about them. What it really collects is runs a speed test so obviously collects what speed information you get and the provider that you're using of course that's important and then a general location I think the location is within like a quarter mile so you know you're not getting tracked down to the to the you know street level or anything like that it's very granular I guess I'd say and again there's no way for the it's not like it's a live upload I think the mobile pulse your phone will collect the information live and then I think it's maybe once or twice a day it'll upload that information to the mobile pulse server so again there's a time delay so anonymous information there's no no way that we can that you can be tracked or anything using that the app let's see advanced here again bottom right hand part of the screen there's also there's another example of your kind of a history of tests that will give you a history of your your tests that you run so here's where I'll I'll address your question that you asked before there on the public version of the app that we're talking about in general again free anonymous collect limited data and then the amount of data it will collect a month is capped at a hundred megabytes I haven't looked lately at what what the you know what some of the provider offerings are but most people I think they typically have two gigabyte per month data plans so we're talking about about five percent of that would be the maximum that the app would use you can if you're concerned about that hundred megabytes a month you can also go into the settings the app and adjust that downward you cannot adjust it upward but you can adjust it downward if there are people that are interested in in collecting more data there we also have what we call the advanced app and again it's still free but what we would need to do to have to get access to that advanced app would be to contact me you would I send you an email that invites you to to the advanced app and then you get a log in and you can log in through your app on your phone and become a more what we call an advanced user and really what that involves is that that data cap is raised I think it becomes I'd have to check what it's set up but I think it's about two gigabytes per month so if you're on an unlimited plan or something and don't really care about here that data cap and that's not an issue it also collects a lot more detailed information so again with the public app everything's anonymous with the advanced app that you started to provide a little more information you know looks at what tower you're using what address did you collect it from and a lot more information but it allows us to do a little bit more detailed analysis but you know really I'm just as interested in people downloading the public app that's just as useful for us so but if you have again if you have questions about the advanced app or might be interested in using that please feel free to contact me I'm happy to put you on that yeah just looking at the FAQ on the page for it to see if it said anything about that Michael and it does even give a little warning about the data use that residents the data plans less than one gigabyte should not install it yeah at all because then that would be like I said most people are kind of going right so yeah one gigabyte plan to be ten percent of your monthly usage and again you can adjust it down and also the question about what you didn't ask but I was wondering to battery impact and it says that it actually has a protection thing that if the battery if your device is very it's low it shuts itself off yeah right it won't run your your phone out of battery which is nice I can't remember I think it's 15 or 20 percent of remaining battery life I think we can adjust yeah so the idea is that I have enough to running my phone down myself I don't know so do I this gives you kind of a just a visual look at what we're talking about so in the center we were talking about that public app we we have access to a dashboard we can look at all the all the tests that have run and then when it if you were to happen to be interested in that in that advanced app we are I also have access to a dashboard where I can look at our tests that have run off of that but I you know again I can't see the detail any detailed information from the public app so I'll back up a little bit this we started this program with mobile pulse almost a year ago so we've been we've already been collecting information for about a year you see on the map kind of the results of what we've got over the past year this is tests that have been run from all the providers so we those are all kind of combined you can see that excuse me these part of the state we've got pretty good information pretty good distribution a lot of it again follows major highways and stuff which we would like to prefer to get some information off those off the beaten path a little bit about where the coverage exists and then we do have some out west but you can see some pretty big holes where where we can still use a lot better information and since we've been doing this for a year I'd actually have some results that I'll go over here show you kind of what we're how we're trying to analyze the data so for example here is our AT&T measurements over the past year you can see again when you look at a by provider there's you'll see that we can use a lot more data from some of the other providers besides Verizon and believe me if you have Verizon we're still happy to get that information so don't let that dissuade you at all but I actually my phone is AT&T so if you when you look at this map I can tell you that there are a lot of these that are tested right off of my phone and it's a little bit hard to see on the screen but I probably should have changed the graphics a little bit but you can see speed information on the on the map so if you can see red dots that means we're talking about higher speed and as you go from red to yellow that's still pretty good when you go all the way down the blue blue is kind of lower end speed information and in fact some of that wouldn't even qualify as as a broadband level speed connection at that point. AT&T you see it's maybe it's kind of hard to see but speed is okay when you start to get out on like on highway to you there that's what that kind of northern piece is looking at speeds drop off quite a bit you know that's not unexpected we'll go through the other carriers here but again when you see that map there's a lot of places that we don't have tests for AT&T so if you have an AT&T device we would really love it for you guys to help us collect data in those areas. US cellular even fewer tests a lot along I-80 and that and the Lincoln Omaha areas but otherwise not not a lot of coverage information so again would encourage people to download if you have US cellular. Verizon of course they're kind of the dominant provider in the state they have really the largest footprint you can see that we're getting some pretty good information for Verizon. Still some holes again that when you look in the sandhills for example but and even in the southeast kind of down around Beatrice and in between Beatrice falsity area you can see there's some holes there so again we would like to collect more information for those areas too. VRO they're a larger provider in the western part of the state you can see they have I think they have a pretty good network of towers along the I-80 and their their speeds are okay for for those areas so it's again a little hard to see but again more more tests in the eastern part of the state would be good for that for VRO as well. Sprint, Sprint's pretty concentrated around Lincoln and Omaha areas there's a couple tests otherwise but not a lot so again you can use more tests for Sprint. And then so the second thing that we started to do besides just looking at speeds was that we started to compare the speed information that we received from the test with what the providers advertise as their speeds for an area. So for example you see AT&T here where we only look at tests that are within that those coverage areas of what they provide and the colors I don't didn't have a legend didn't put a legend up but the more red you get that means that their their speeds are above what their advertised advertised speeds are you start to get to green and blue that means that they're are actually I think it's gray and black you those are speeds that are below their advertised speeds for those areas. So I'll show you some more information on that U.S. seller you kind of see what there what they claim as their footprint there I think they see speeds I think I have a little spreadsheet at the bottom here that shows the information in that way but you get an idea of what the what the data tests are starting to look like when you compare it to their advertised speeds. Verizon is actually quite good I mean we see you know if you I don't know how easy it is to see again but they're they usually perform pretty close to or or even above what they advertise as their speeds there are a couple holes where that's not the case if you see gray and black that's that's where that is and that's usually in smaller pockets but by and large that we see pretty good speed information from them the arrow is kind of interesting that a lot of their dots are gray and black and it's not necessarily because the speeds are bad but again we're comparing it with what they advertise so they advertise a pretty high speed and people aren't necessarily seeing those speeds when they when they run the test so that's kind of interesting but yet I'm kind of trying to figure out how to look at that a little more closely because when I look at their speeds they're not not bad they just look bad in comparison to what they're advertising so Sprint has a pretty small footprint for where they actually have towers kind of again concentrated around Lincoln and Omaha and and you see what they're showing for how they compared their their advertised speed tiers there are not too not too bad here's the kind of the graphic look at that another thing that we've started to look at is how do speeds compare in urban areas versus rural areas we've I should mention I don't think I mentioned this we have about 20 over 23,000 tests statewide now you can see the urban and rural distribution about 13 and 13,000 have tests have been run in in areas outside of city limits and in about almost 11,000 have been run in in urban urban areas or in the city limits that's kind of how we defined rural and urban in that setting so you see on the on the chart there how these providers have performed so for example on top AT&T their their speed in urban areas is about five megabytes per second download we're all talking we're talking download speeds here sorry I probably should have specified that but in rural areas it's about 4.1 megabytes per second and then the last column shows how over all of their all of their measurements how they perform against what they advertise so typically AT&T performs slightly higher than what they advertise so their average speed here is about is less than a speed tier higher than what they advertise so positive number means that they're typically meeting what they advertise negative number means they're not so you see for example bureau they have a negative number which means that their speeds are usually below what they advertise in the same first print but it's you know minus point six you're pretty they're pretty close to what they're advertising so that gives you some idea of what we're trying to do and how how we're using the app um let's see I think that pretty much covers what I wanted to cover on the mobile pulse app again the success of the app really depends on how many people we can get low get to download it and use it and how many people we can get to that use it throughout the state so I think it kind of at this point our goals to really get more statewide distribution you know we have like you saw pretty good info um link in an Omaha that area but we need people with different providers besides Verizon um and then people that are more distributed throughout the state so um again not if you have questions or need more information or if you are interested in becoming an advanced user please uh contact me my phone number and email are up there on the on the screen um and I think that pretty much covers broadband for now cool um anybody have any other questions we had some you know during the show um while you were talking so if anybody has any other last-minute questions um go ahead and type them in or if you want to be unmuted let me know and I can unmute you well we do uh I think we've got three of our commission staff are watching in another meeting room upstairs as I mentioned earlier um and two of them just installed the app to their phones while we were here so and I was actually going to do that on mine too as well as the FCC one um I've got my phone here I wasn't going to do it while I was doing this I'll get to it you know I will say that third person just doesn't have a phone with her so oh that's fine I will say that um I was it was interesting to hear that you're downloaded the FCC app because that's one thing that we're not really sure about is how many people have actually downloaded that app so I added a link to the show notes um in our delicious account too that I looked up the FCC one so if anyone's interested in that one as well um I've got a link to the mobile pulse for Nebraska but also the FCC speed yeah I think they call it FCC speed test and again you know it's it's it we've we've talked with the FCC and they do plan on making that data available uh but again it's been I don't know eight or nine months since they uh released that speed test app and we still haven't seen anything typically that are a little slower releasing that information Michael says you also have the FCC Sam knows router at home what is I'm gonna I'm not familiar with that Michael what is that I needed you that was a program that the FCC was basically doing the same thing the mobile router was or the mobile app was doing but for home access so the the FCC was collecting data they installed a customized firmware on the router they're still collecting the data but I don't think they're sending out the routers anymore oh okay and and it's like Sam knows dot FCC dot gov or something like that where you can get the data do you know how long they've been doing that is that been I've had that router for probably a good four years now it's been several years you know that the FCC is kind of well the the NTIA I think that was maybe the goal of the NTIA project was the kind of collect similar data to what you'd you'd be providing with that router on a you know a lot a lot wider what do I want to say on a on a nationwide scale you know so you're I don't know I guess that's just that's sort of my my first instinct is that the the project that we've been working on is kind of an extension of that of whatever they were trying to accomplish with that to collect in other words to collect information about where broadband is available and what types and that sort of thing yeah I I like it because I've I mean I've been contributing data but they also send me my own personal monthly report on how my home broadband is doing so I've used that for troubleshooting cool very good all right anybody else have any other questions comments thoughts okay cool all right then I think that will wrap it up for today's show thank you very much for being here with us today for coming down two floors up yeah yeah yeah I had to climb down the stairs so that was great yeah shows being recorded it'll be available afterwards I've got his slides as well so for all those maps and things you want to zoom in better on those we'll have the slides up available as well and I've added to the delicious links that we have here the mobile broadband map information about the mobile pulse and the FCC one there so that you can access those as well so I'm going to steal back the here and that will wrap it up for today's show and I said it'll be recorded and put on to our website here in our archives probably by later this afternoon okay next week and I'm going to get help for this so hopefully join us next week when it is our monthly tech talk with Michael Sowers who you've just been listening to on asking questions here the Michael Sarge Technology Innovation Librarian and he has a show coming up where all I know is the name of it I don't know anything more about it so Michael can you tell us what's happening on the show next week yes we're going to have two guests one from an organization mobile beacon dot org and from a library that's participating in this I think you have an R in there Chris mobile beacon supplies 4g wireless hot spots to libraries and nonprofits and then libraries can get them and check them out to patrons so that if patrons have computers at home but no internet access they can get a kind of a mobile internet access so we're going to be talking about that program okay yeah I've heard of libraries doing that loading the hot spots out yeah okay I'm on too many computers here cool all right so if you're interested in learning more about that getting that hot spot hot spots that will be the topic of our tech talk next week and you can just show that for any of our other shows coming up also if you are a Facebook user and Compass Live is on Facebook we have a Facebook page there you can like us on Facebook you get notifications of when our recordings are available I'll give reminders of when our current show is starting up so you can log in on the fly if you didn't pre-register for a show so if you are big on Facebook please do go ahead and like us there um other than that that will wrap it up for today's show thank you very much for attending and we'll see you next week bye