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Pleasure to be here too. It has been a trend. Bitris, I will have you here after maybe a week or two. Glad you are back. And now we are speaking the head of state to be addressing the nation later in the day, maybe from 11 o'clock state hours. We should expect he will address the nation. And we have so many expectations from the speech. What you will be telling the nation, we want the decision of movement to end. We want the curfew to end. But if the numbers keep on speaking like it has been seen, are our counties ready to handle in case of a large surge? Bitris. I think counties are not ready. No, they are gearing up towards that. Now that we are all locked down, all of us. Nobody is flying out or in. And only Baba we had that he flew out. But for normal average Kenyans, there is no going to outside countries. So I think now counties are feeling the effect that they really need to style up. But the healthcare sector is still deplorable. It still has a long, long way to go because a place like Siaya County, they only had five ICU beds. So you can imagine if the beds, if there is a high spike of this corona and you need more people to be in ICU. Though the treatment and management of COVID varies, there are some medics of the opinion that ICU is not really necessary. So most likely the people who go to ICU are those with other underlying complications, but generally mechanical ventilation in the treatment of COVID is not one of the regimen that is actually being used. But be as it may, we have Kenyans with other underlying ailments because you may be having chronic illness like diabetes or hypertension or what is it called? Cancer kinds of patients. All these people have been hindered one way or another in accessing treatment. So because this chronic illness kind of patients, you can imagine where have they been accessing treatment and care. Some people are scheduled to have surgical operations maybe in India or abroad. Now they are confined in this country since March you can imagine. So you can imagine if it was an urgent operation. So how aggressive is the condition that has made this patient be? So what will happen is that now counties have to style up. We have to now trust our local medics and healthcare workers. If we've trained them badly in our institutions, that is what we are going to get. If they have picked, that is what you are going to get. I think this is the time everything is now being laid bare naked. It's exposing every sector from education sector, healthcare sector, governance sector, church sector. This COVID has really exposed so many institutions. So if you produced half baked doctors, if you produced half baked nurses, if you produced half baked pharmacist, now we are now facing the music. So now running away you are going to go to UK for further treatment. So if you've been eating money to what is it called, to set up institutions, now the rabba is meeting the road literally. So you'll have to now be answerable to the populace how come there are no supporting machines, right? How come there are no well established departments within the healthcare institutions? So did you even stock up for drugs? Or are you still waiting to import last minute? It's very, very crucial. It shows even the preparedness because this is kind of a disaster. So disaster preparedness, how well cushioned for such disasters, right? So we really need to... I am glad COVID happened. I cannot regret that this situation did not happen. I am glad it happened. Why? Because it's exposing the debt that has been there from all the way, not only in government based on corruption, but also in our institutions. The learning institutions, the higher learning institutions all the way to the hospital setup, the business setup, everybody is getting exposed. So I think now the conversations we should be heading forward is to stop the blame game and we start now sitting back and asking ourselves can we now depend on ourselves? Now we put strategies in place on where we can depend on ourselves. We have today, for example, I hear like the EU is now opening but they have said Kenyans cannot go to the EU because they feel quote and quote we did not handle maybe COVID properly or places like Tanzania, they have been bad from accessing countries in the EU. So that tells you most of the things we have to style up our institutions we have to style up our healthcare sector we have to style up allies if we don't do that, I believe now the dispensations that we are entering in we are going to experience more pandemics I guarantee you, I always tell people I'm not a prophet but after this pandemic there will be another pandemic because global warming things are just cropping up right left and center so it is asked to now sit down and ask ourselves are we well prepared intellectually because preparedness is not just having equipment but can those people operate those equipment we are having a discussion whereby it's true right now counties are running to set up ICU Muranga was setting up ICU departments but then the question is do you have ICU nurses trained? it's okay, it's good to have a building and have equipment but are the doctors trained to treat people in ICU do we have enough ICU nurses do we have enough clinical pharmacists to deal with in the ICU we have to look at that capacity because it's one thing to have roads but will people be using the roads to drive their maize or is it because their cars that are going to use the roads so we really need to look at it holistically it's not just to dump ICU beds in the hospital facilities or just create a building and their beds there but do we have the right infrastructure infrastructure is not only equipment but also the right personnel and now even the institutions will now be not cushioned but they will have to be very ready even now engaging more training of such kind of personnel because right now next time we may actually be having our own healthcare personnel actually doing the treatment that people are actually soliciting outside the country so it's also upon the institution now to style up and now fully equip our healthcare workers so that we can fully trust because I always say every time actually I would like to hear in Kenya's comments I think you have so many ideas on this we will get there now can you tell me do you think the counties are ready to handle because according to the council of governors only a few counties are have gotten to the target of the 100 beds as directed by the president that is Mombasa is leading with around 400 do you think the counties are now ready to handle COVID-19 in case the decision of movement from Nairobi to Machinani considering Nairobi has the highest numbers I don't think counties are ready but I also think that you are going through this COVID thing from reverse we are going we are going about it from behind we are first looking at do counties have ICU beds do counties have beds for admitting us do you have isolation units but you see what you are looking at is the worst case in Nairobi can the counties can our country take care of us the first thing you are supposed to think about is our country is not prepared actually no country was prepared for COVID so the first thing you are supposed to look at it's not whether the counties are prepared is what can we do to make sure that we don't overwhelm the resources that we have just a few days after the minister of health said people could be treated from home and now we have issues of the 300 beds how many people will be treated from the health facilities how many people will be treated from home but the question will still stand if anything can the counties including even Nairobi itself can the counties match the numbers that will have spiked at the time no not just the counties Kenyata it's Kenyata hospital none of these hospitals can can manage COVID if the numbers go higher than what we have right now you have to know that right now the ICU units that we have they already have the maximum capacity not that before COVID we had enough ICU beds remember now people have not even been going to hospitals that I have an underlying condition I don't go to hospitals because I'm afraid if I go there I might get COVID from there so as Kenyans let us first stop looking at whether the counties are prepared let us do our role in first making sure that we don't overwhelm what we already have what can we do to make sure that we don't get the numbers higher we as individuals let's stop looking at counties let's stop looking at the government let's stop looking at Kenya is anyone prepared for COVID no so what can we do to make sure that the numbers don't go above the 300 again COVID I think we needed COVID in Kenya I am saying this from a good place as a patriotic Kenyan but we needed COVID in this country for us to wake up for us to start having the uncomfortable conversations that we are having right now our healthcare system has been going down and let us in the issue of us having qualified personnel yes we have qualified personnel remember these people who go to India for treatment our MPs who go to UK for treatment they go to public hospitals and are they diagnosed before they go to India remember they don't just wake up and we said in India you first have to be diagnosed who diagnoses them Kenyan doctors so if we equipped the Kenyan doctors with the facilities that are in India for treatment of cancers and everything else these doctors can handle all these things so as we are talking about COVID let us not be short-sighted and talk about COVID alone counties like Moranga started they were building something Machako is converted a stadium into a COVID isolation center which is very temporary it's not like COVID and we may let it sit down we already had these problems before COVID so these temporary measures that the counties are taking if we are actually at the counties my county is going to go take the stadium put a tent on it buy beds and put beds at the stadiums what happens after the COVID is over they take back the beds beginning when we were there we go back to the same healthcare system that we had we want the counties to have more permanent solutions and not just for COVID but for everything else when you need dialysis I don't have to come to Nairobi for dialysis when I need a surgery the counties were even what is it called, caesarean they can't perform caesarean in district hospitals you have to be to be referred to another hospital so these are the conversations that we need to have manufacturing before COVID we used to imports Kenyan made now we used to import right now we used to import so we were pushed to a corner where we now had to think out of the box and start producing our own PPEs we had caught on industry what happened to it, it died a natural death so these are the conversations that we are now supposed to start having manufacturing we need to be independent as a country we need to be in a place where because COVID is not going anywhere that's the sad reality and countries will not comfortably export stuff to other countries because every country is holding for its citizens so when it comes to things like masks see it is soon to transfer masks come out to the import so we have to think about that the beds our joakali people by they are very creative they do these things there is a course in KMTC what is it called I am forgetting the engineering course in KMTC Biomedical Engineering Biomedical Engineering we have people who have learned these things but have not been utilizing them because everything we have been importing everything this country that only exports flowers everything else including needles the only thing we export is flowers that's why it was so easy to give flowers to other countries because now we are not exporting flowers anymore coffee is going down tea is going down so right now we have to think about our food security about our health security about our manufacturing which was all in the big four and we had all forgotten about the big four until COVID came and told us you remember that housing you are talking about that is what we need right now you guys are being chased by landlords but imagine if we had a national government housing system it means that right now we will not be worrying about trend you will make the president smile if he is watching knowing his agenda was okay but the critics were against it but it was overtaken by politics and corruption brings me to the point of the high dependency where Kenya has been because do you think COVID-19 both of you have alluded that it has opened our eyes it has made us to be naked as now we can see all the data all the spots do you think we are now at the ICU or what happens to us from the high dependency now we are manufacturing our own PPEs masks and everything but also there are sectors that have stalled where do you think we are as a nation I think we are heading towards an economic crisis trust me we are heading because we never cushioned ourselves from the word go we were ill prepared and the other thing is it's true we will introduce manufacturing in the country but where is the excellence there is a reason why people still prefer even right now the masks that are imported and the ones that are made local why the quality of what is being manufactured you know we need first of all we need first of all we need to insist again from our institutions we need to instill excellence we have to start from that point there is a reason why you've said that most of the MPs by the time they go to India they are diagnosed by doctors but there have been a lot of misdiagnoses why because most of these doctors have not been given study leave to go and study these cancers in extensive right so most of the doctors you realize misdiagnosed only when he went outside when it was able to get proper diagnosis the same thing with Bob Colimo so what we are saying is it's not that our doctors are not intelligent or our nurses or our pharmacist are not intelligent enough the only thing is exposure so where are we still insist again right now the economy is bad that we just feel it's going to go deeper downwards actually unless we unless we have critical conversation among ourselves and the government since the what is it the gravity of the of the situation how grif the situation is I am telling it is not going to be business as usual and before people come back to what is it called come back to to I don't say come back to their senses or come back to that norm that was there before Covid it will take quite some time in another station or saying about an economic recession not only in Kenya but in other countries they are feeling there is going to be an economic recession where the whole world will actually feel it so we need to stop playing around and saying we are okay we are good to me as a to manufacturing here no no no no I don't think that is going to to really work so what we need to do I can see the president is getting a lot of donations from world bank from IMF I think we really really need to utilize these resources properly let's utilize them very very well otherwise what I feel is that we will get all this funding but when when all is said and done we will have nothing to sure of it you see there is nothing to sure of it number 2 we are doing a lot of viraka things you know I hate the viraka kind of doing of stuff because we take a kiraka reo na keshitara ruka and we have very short memory in terms of our leaders aki aki yo kiraka now everybody is okay people will not be okay so I think we need to start from the grassroots and what is the grassroots our institutions the president is true he had a very good agenda very good manifesto even when they were campaigning 2013 and even 2017 I was telling another time if they implemented the laptop project those kids would be now at home enjoying e-learning comfortable the kids are now in class 8 they would be really enjoying e-learning and even in our high schools right now so I usually say they had very good manifesto they had very good development plan for the country but not the problem and now alisema kusema na kutenda there is no agenda so I think right now let's go to the grassroots and a country is as strong as its institutions so whoever is corrupt wacha arudisha pesaya uma mebi apu tutapata pesaki dogo yakufanya 1 2 3 4 whoever has been doing illegal businesses let them be put to justice because the justice system number 2 because the institution already is corrupt the justice system in itself is already corrupt it's not even giving justice it's not even doing the correct thing on time what is happening it records down to other institutions that's why I keep insisting you'll have half baked doctors you'll have half baked nurses you'll have half baked engineers such that even manufacturing a very simple thing like a mask it is not to par excellence like the way you want one imported and I believe Kenyans have the brain and the capability of actually doing something we are among one of the smartest people in Africa we have a very good labour force but now we need to instill the excellence the culture of excellence the culture of proper running of institutions that is what we need to instill in our people so that the culture changes even if I'm half baked I'll still get a top position we need to shift from that and it's very evident even in the leaders we choose we choose half baked leaders we choose leaders who are not excellence a simple thing like a road small roads you can see there is no excellence in it until a Chinese has to come on board and yet we have civil engineers we have we have structural engineers but they cannot build the same roads that we are proud of but when you give a Kenyan to build the same road they don't reach to par excellence until a Chinese come in and then you're like you cannot notice the difference it's because Kenyans love the shortcut exactly so we need to instill a culture of excellence and once we kill that root of of Medioka I would call it Mediokristi because even the type of leaders you'll produce are going to be Medioka so you'll have a Medioka nurse you'll have a Medioka doctor you'll have a Medioka teacher you'll have a Medioka engineer so it will be replicated all over and this is the thing we cannot start killing the fruits and you have not dealt with the root system we have to go deep into the root system in terms whereby you'll head an institution based on merit but even if you are given on merit and you have very good papers but how well were you grilled to have actually earned that some people went the back door and scored others went the back doors and were able to acquire degrees and you still got that portfolio but now when it comes to actually result oriented so funny enough I'm a result oriented person when it comes not to the result itself it is not to the quality to the excellence we are very smart people but the problem is the smart people are very corrupt no the problem they don't do things to the excellence that you want they don't construct the roads that you want that the Chinese can construct here I'm supposed to use 15 tons of gravel let me use 5 because it's a culture yes that's what I'm saying it's not a training it's because you are well trained but then again you are corrupt that I'm thinking as a doctor I have to prescribe this medicine to you but instead of me making the hospital procure the medicine I will tell you but then you have a clinic see after this prescription just go to my clinic yes the selfishness agreed all that that is why we have public institutions and and very bad and very bad public schools all right actually on the same thing she has been mentioning of the excellence we are having a problem now the president is being turned between reopening the economy or letting things remain as they are we also have the other problem of the resumption of schools with this children go back to school how is the testing Professor Mogwe says they will ensure all the teachers will be tested and before we even began we asked will the kids be tested but even so do we see the education that we had from the physical class to online back to now physical again what will be happening to these children mentally in terms of education are we ready for reopening I don't think health status we are not ready but our economy is suffering so it's either people will die from covid or die from hunger the president has to choose between those two and when you look at it our country had not gone into a lockdown we were still a little free to move just that even before covid we also had this problems that we have are pre-existing apart from schools everything else has almost remained constant that this covid the government has been leaving because the government has been leaving because then you are left as you are to go back to work that is the same way the government has been leaving that it pays wages does that but it didn't have extra funds for cushioning in case of a pandemic or in case of an emergency so if right now we say that the government reopens and helps the business people get back to their feet is it even realistic can our government do that can our government afford to cushion our business people I don't think it can but for that in terms of the education education sector was already at the AE remember the government had said 100% transition kibaki came with the free primary education prior so we already have kids who have done a class 8 but not transitioning to high school was where there was a bit of a gap so it reached a point the government introduced a policy of 100% transition that whoever does class 8 transition or everybody transitions to high school so that at least the populace will have at least literate people with at least an all level kind of a certificate now the problem was one you've gone to a school let's say like limuru girls high school which I am a PTA member the school initially was a free stream now you have insisted for it to have 100% transition that means for it to have 100% transition it has to be a 7 stream so where does the school get for classes from and already the infrastructure itself it's ilia 1900 or 1920 they are about so government was not even finding these institutions to be able to set up infrastructures parents were the ones going back maybe to their pockets public participation to train and ensure a harambe way of doing things to ensure institutions are being set up so now when you now want us to go implementing covid measures do we even have the infrastructures in the first place in our institutions even the teachers strike exactly so first of all even before we look at the teachers let's just look at the building where these children are going to go the dormitories hakuna, dining hall hamuna classes, bados, schools have not been able to transition fully 100% and even if they have transition 100% kids are squeezed in classrooms you find a classroom of 60 students a class that was initially to host 30 to 40 students to bring the 1.5 meter so do you see where the challenges where will there be this space for the kids to actually utilize up to that point now when you say now you are going to test the children themselves how many kids do we have in this country already we have a challenge of even testing people even in Nairobi only so now all the students to be tested is it possible number 2 to test all the teachers now as she said if the interval is 14 days how often will you be repeating among the same children now don't only focus on high school we have the primary school and we have the kindergartens are you looking at all because that's the whole education and then we have the university students so why already there is already a challenge of infrastructure let's agree on that that cannot be able to put the potentials of COVID I think we are going through about COVID in a very short-sighted manner for example when we say we test teachers that means that when children are reporting back to school they have to go back to school with a certificate showing that they had been tested but for how long, how viable is that certificate I can be tested today 21 days from now I can have COVID because you will be moving actually because I will be moving around and interacting what COVID has brought to us is we have to change our settings right now instead of us having the conversation it's about going back to school which is not realistic according to me it's not realistic for us to have a class a class that used to have 80 students now tell them that you have to observe social distancing of 15 students per class how many classes does that school even have it already had the problems of infrastructure even before COVID which we are supposed to be having right now it's supposed to be realistic and tenable like these students cannot go back to school that's the reality of it can we now look at how these children can continue learning under the circumstances that we have how can we enable these children in our rural areas to go through the same I left my son at home he was on an online class how can that child who is back at home in Oshago have the same advantage with this child in Nairobi who has a tablet who has internet settings and who has a teacher who is engaging him in a zoom class so now we are supposed to think about bringing these other children who don't have this advantage bring them at the same level of advantage with the children at the private sector I think the minister for education is going about this in the wrong way let's be realistic let's now start thinking about how to engage these children on online classes until we have a more permanent solution until we can live with covid maybe get the herd immunity then we can all go back to school but as at now how will we engage these students they've been at home since March they can be home back in December that's how the pregnancy needs are going higher they are idle we need to find something for them these are young minds that we need to start engaging right now you can't keep a child who is five years who is around ten years you can't keep him at home from March to December actually one of the suggestions the task force that's for education because parents were engaged actually on how the strategy for kids to go back to school and one of the strategies was kids not to go back to their initial schools like before for example you could be in Nyeri kid was called to Alliance high school so they have to travel you come from Turkana and maybe a kid is operating from a school in Nairobi so now they were suggesting they look at schools within the county but do those counties even have those schools that's what you say they look at the counties first the first suggestion was to look at the counties the schools that they have and how many students can be contained because remember right now you cannot start putting internet into Turkana right now actually you can you cannot start giving laptops right now to a student maybe even in their own homestead there is no steamer so first you have to start installing the steamer in those deep rural areas accessibility, right now there are rains all over and floodings and everything so how are people now even going to access even such things the things that are there are actually very critical to the point now we have to agree or disagree whereby if we are going to set infrastructure and I still go back again to my poetry of institutions so first the schools, how many do you have what is the population in that county based on the number of schools that we have do we have kids boarding or doing this calling you know you have to look at it so that you can say there is now going to be a schedule for every lesson can the kids be staying at home with their parents because also remember now the food and all those other things but I also think there is a consideration of the region if I am in this region this is Nairobi CBD we have only one school which is primary but has the population that can handle that only then we have another one in say Westlands there is no school in Westlands there is no school in Kasarani Nairobi how will they now start merging and how will they live if not boarding we are thinking as if this country is very rich when we start saying about building infrastructure and doing this TSA teachers are actually receiving salaries since March in health we have community health workers who go home to home when HIV was very prevalent they used to go from house to house I mean serving ARVs why can't we do the same with the teachers these teachers what are they doing they are receiving salaries from TSA they should be doing something yes why can't we just have community engagement of students like get a data of all the teachers in this in this world how many teachers do we have in this world okay you will be teaching class on students go home to home give an assignment to these students what have the teachers been doing from March up to now what will the teachers be doing from March up to December why can't we engage the teachers to do community outreach to the students at home the teachers enough how have they been operating no you see when you have a classroom of 80 students it's not a classroom situation I'm just saying if it's a classroom of 80 students and there is one teacher one teacher is reaching to 80 students at once community health workers the population of patients is different from a population of students you see remember a sick person you could have a population of 100 people and maybe 10 are sick the rest are held in so the 10 and you have community health workers it's able to but now when you talk about students in Ipase these are not sick people so in one class where one teacher was teaching 80 students now you want to tell that one teacher to go to 80 people it's not possible it is actually possible let's do this this country that are not used for example what do you do with our chiefs camp apart from having those public marazas why can't we have a schedule at the chiefs camp for this village tell the villagers there is a schedule at the chiefs camp tomorrow on Monday the class 1 teacher will be there she will be giving assignments to class 1 students if you have a class 1 student in your home please let her come to the community take away I end up in Mualimuampati assignment go back with it bring it next Monday at least you have these students being engaged weekly it doesn't have to be online we don't have to be to use internet let us use the resources we have right now because when we say about building classes of 15 students per class surely it's not it's not possible for now it goes for 500,000 years national government rates it may be 1 million per class apart from that later we ziote we don't want our audience to react to the same questions what they feel about the homeschooling which will be now the community the teachers now going to to the homes and teaching or giving assignments that you could send your comments to all our social media platforms on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram as well tell us what do you take what should be your opinion when we say teachers should be going home door to door teaching students because actually the online is favouring only those that are able to have the tablets or the laptops or have the TV set for them that are watching the TVs but someone far flung in the villages are not able to access that and actually I'm sure most of the people most of the students are now engaged in the shambas they are not learning so what's your idea tell us what you feel about that I wanted to say maybe the only way out if she says the outage thing and I am boring a leaf from the healthcare sector where I have more experience in is where we reintroduce untrained teachers we have people who maybe did in university by the machics actually our university students are at home exactly that's what I'm saying in Kenya we had an exposure untrained teachers they can be given a small stipend by the government to be able to do now the outreaches and do the homeschooling settings where the kids can still be in their homes and you can have actually when Uru is saying this is the right opportunity this is the right opportunity for actually Uru engaging we have very bright university students who have been jobless for a very long time they can use their intellect being a medic myself it's very easy to go teach biology to these students as an untrained teacher and engage these students and it's much cheaper it's cheaper than us building a class of 1 million for now because it is not sustainable for now we can do it actually it's a very good suggestion I hope Uru is watching us you should have been in the committee to come up with these ideas Uru is watching us to I hope even Magoha is watching us actually we can engage untrained teachers they are not really employed by TSC but they can be quote and quote community community education TSC teachers have been earning a salary for what then maybe a TSC teacher can coordinate the untrained teachers then they are dispersed to the community one untrained teacher can be told this homestead it's Uru who is going to ensure that the students are engaged at least make sure that the students are engaged at least 3 times a week you are not asking for so much instead of them being free from March to December then taking them back to school again in January we shall not have students to take back to school children in their teenage will all be pregnant and we shall be here talking about children being raped but most of them were not raped it's because they had nothing to do and then we shall be here but then let me tell you the results of COVID shall be felt 20 years from now when these students were in class 1 are now grown ups who have responsibilities this is a child who was kept free for 1 year a whole year at around the age of 13 years tell me what is happening to that child's mind it's a mind that has become has become idle there's nothing going in children nowadays don't even read books they don't even read story books so what is going into this child's mind this is the best time the earliest time for you to mold that child's mind adakama wanafunzwa kitu moja peke adakama wanafunzwa cleanliness or hygiene but these children need to be engaged in something until December I should stop in what she is saying because COVID is so health related if they introduce the entrenched teachers we can now combine with the community health worker just to ensure that even in those homestead and in villages the entrenched teacher accompanied by a community health worker ensuring COVID measures are being taken into place people are observing hygiene in a way it can help flatten it can actually help flatten the cabinet essence because apart from community health worker teaching these villagers or I would say citizens on how to carry out hygiene practices then it can also promote other things that we know this COVID you fight it with your immunity I was seeing the Ministry of Health website pages they were telling people how to eat properly this is the right time to engage now the community health workers the public health people to engage I should say every sector is intersectoral education sector cannot be independent on its own health care sector cannot be independent on its own this is what I preach always let's have departments that are intersectoral let's not have an independent kind of governorship where each department is always independent on its own this is a very good example bringing the community health worker bringing the entrenched teachers they are able to go into the communities they are being told by Uwuru the teenagers to not be getting pregnant under their watch this is the right time this is the right time because when you have an entrenched teacher you have a community health worker engaging these students telling them the dangers of unprotective sex they are also teaching them about HIV AIDS and STIs while they are engaging these students this is the right time actually to implement what is it called community participation it's part of actually community development so your Pesa World Bank has given to the government I think this is the high time Uwuru should engage the youth because there are so many youths who are very much unemployed and would actually benefit in flattening the curve and also ensuring now our young people are actually engaged in terms of education you see Hillary also that should be the last comment and after the break we will be talking about the politics that comment we have a lot of resources in this country in this country that had never utilized for example we also have agricultural field officers these are people now that we can bring together right now and start teaching children we don't have to teach these children algebra, long divisions multiplication it's not just COVID it has taken us to factory settings this is a time now to engage children in life skills wacha kama wa limu hawatoshi we engage even the agricultural field office in that place between 10 years or 16 years today we are teaching them how to plant skumawiki wacha watoto wa toke nyumba ni na skills during this COVID time but we can start saying but then we can start saying we need the children what do they learn in school that they cannot learn at home you know every place every place you are is a classroom I say every day you learn something new so we can have a classroom anywhere, everywhere it doesn't have to have desks and books they don't even have to use textbooks that's the problem let them come and community health officer they may come across a COVID patient let them know what to look out for we don't have to have this TV advertisement every time about what to look out for imagine if a 5 year old knows what to look out for COVID yes it helps us it helps us to know if this 5 year old knows that if you have a breathing problem what you are supposed to do to this person who has a problem the emergency response yes the emergency response the first aid agriculture teach them everything it doesn't have to be what was in the curriculum so the agriculture extension officer the community health workers that now in the villages atuna internet atuna data but we have these people in the villages we don't have them in Nairobi do you have agricultural officers in Nairobi county we don't have them we don't have them we don't have them we don't have them that's a good point we will be taking a very short break and when we come back we will look at the politics that was the response to COVID-19 in terms of education whether we will be resuming schools what needs to be done what is possible to be done right now or what is not possible send us your comments on what you feel about the home teaching the untrained teachers going around teaching our students back in school we are saying CBC we take a very short 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