 Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12th, 2020. Boy, that seems like such, such ages ago now, doesn't it? Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12th, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the meeting law, general law, Chapter 30A, Section 18. This meeting of the Transportation Advisory Committee is being conducted by a remote participation. This meeting is being recorded to the web and could be shown on Amherst Media and broadcast in the town of Amherst YouTube channel. Anybody dialing in the phone can, my phone can press star nine. I won't do that, I'll just raise my hand in the picture if it, others can press star nine to raise their hand and be recognized. People with video can click on the raise hand button at the bottom of their screen. Otherwise, I, that's me, will try to watch for real hands and gestures to recognize you. Muting when you're not speaking is recommended. Though we often, though we more often try to speak before I'm muting, and we are interrupted by inadvertent background noise. Of course, with two dogs working things out, I don't know, Amber. Let's see. All right, and then we're off. So thanks everybody for coming. So Darcy, I think you have the shortest time with us tonight, because again, we're having conflicting meetings. So I'm wondering if there is a day that would work out better for us to meet so that, that you could maybe join us more regularly if you wanted to. Christine, I just, that's a question of Darcy, but you waved your hand to her, Christine. So I'm thinking. I'm sorry, I was waving to somebody in my family. Oh. Yeah, I have, unfortunately, our TSO meetings are, you know, they're on Thursday evenings at 630 and they're not on, you know, first and third or second and fourth. They correspond to the town council meetings. I could give you the list of what our calendar is and you could do the opposite weeks. I don't know if that would be good for you, but I could provide that if... Yeah, I mean, that's, we're only doing it twice a month. So, I mean, that would work for, I guess we could just pick two every month. Tracy, you have an idea. Two things. So Eve says she's in the waiting room, but I didn't see her there. Oh, or now she is, I guess. Oh, and Kim is stuck in the waiting room too. Can Amber let them in? Yay. Yeah, I think there's a delay when someone goes in there as to when it comes over. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just seeing them now. Few minutes. Okay. Also, in the TSO packet for this meeting today, right? There's a list of all the projected dates for the TSO meetings best on the council meetings. I mean, so if this time slot is good for people on Thursdays, Erin, maybe we could just try to do the opposite week, sir. Yeah, but that would be fine for me. I mean, originally we picked sort of the first and third because that's the easiest to schedule. It's the easiest for me to remember. Yeah. But otherwise, now that's of course, I'm delighted to make our meeting so it's easy for Darcy to come to them and not run into conflict with something else. It's not that I expect you to come to them, Darcy. I know that you're pretty busy, but we do appreciate it when you stop in and help us out. So with that work for everybody, we have to go back and revisit our schedule anyway, I guess. I mean, don't we typically just do our meetings out, you know, like the next couple of meetings and if we know when the TSO is meeting, say the next two, three meetings, then we can just, I mean. That's how we end up doing it, but we started with the first and third. Well, our next, just let me grab, I have a very low tech here. I have the next, the next meetings are January, in the next year, it's January 7th, January 28th, February 11th and February 25th are the ones in January and February. So we skipped three weeks there in January. So I think that you probably don't wanna be the two middle weeks. And so there'll be times when, you know, we may not coincide. Yeah. But I'm amenable to whatever you wanna do. I know, I feel kind of like you shouldn't necessarily schedule around me, but. Well, okay, but I think I'd like to nonetheless. So our next meeting is the 17th. All right, and we, I have ours is also. Yeah, so that one, that would be the first one to move or skip because after that, then we start on the 7th, which is yours. Darcy, is your TSO meeting on the 17th starting at 430? No, 630. 630, thank you. Cause I think I'm gonna go to that. Right, right. Oh, on the North Common, yes. Yeah. I had 430 written in my calendar. We had, we've had a couple of meetings at 430, but our regular is 630. So if we postpone our next meeting, really it's postponing to next year. Cause I don't think there's a date after the 17th when we would be able to get together. Is this something that could be done, like if we figure it out outside of the meeting, just so we don't take up your time. I can do a poll and see when everybody's available. And then I can connect with Darcy and see, I mean. It makes, well, so Amber, yes, thank you. And if you would just put down the Thursdays, that are not TSO meetings, that would be great. But I would like to work through, take our decision on the 17th, what about just meeting from 5 to 630? Yep, that would be fine with me. I do think we should meet on the 17th. Yeah, I agree. Alrighty, so let's meet a half an hour early. And now if Darcy wants to join us again, she can. Although I wouldn't be super high-stem. If she had to leave early to get ready for the next meeting, because I know it takes me some time to wind up for these things. Yeah, I always need to leave by quarter after six. Yeah. All right, well, thank you, Darcy. Thank you, everybody. I think that'll work out very well. I appreciate that. Okay. I don't have any announcements, but I thought this might be a place to slide in some news that I'm hoping that Tracy will share with us about her discussion with the Capital Projects Manager over at the university about changing the location of a bicycle route sign. The reason this caught my interest and I appreciate Tracy bringing it to our attention is that, is the realization and we've often stumbled onto this that there are a number of important streets that are not enamored. They are in UMass, if you will. And so their design and decisions taken about them while they affect Amherst and Amherst, the Amherst community directly, we have no authority over them at all, except that UMass seems to be willing to help out at some level at meet our requests. So I thought this was an interesting case of that. So Tracy, I'm not exactly surprising you with that question, but big with the context. Yeah. So, well, I mean, I'm a UMass employee and I live close to the UMass path. I mean, the UMass path between Amity and campus is a UMass state controlled road. It's not our road. The project had just come to my attention, just as somebody who walks and bikes and drives along that route that with the redesign, it's finally open to the public. And with the redesign, they had put up a few signs that directed people to get off the Arthur Swift extension and go onto the bike lane on road. And then at the roundabout, that's now at Fearing, they wanted cyclists to get off the road at the roundabout and get back on the path. And then after the path north of Fearing to get back on the road on the bike lane, the first section of the bike lane before Fearing, it has a buffer area that's painted. And the bike lane after Fearing, north of Fearing does not. Anyway, it all seemed very complicated. In addition, there were some signs posted that basically said bike route sign this way directing people to the bike lane and a no bike. Basically, no bikes allowed otherwise. It's sort of ironic just, you know, based on the history of that route. And the idea that like the Arthur Swift extension was created as an extension from the Norituck rail trail to access campus. But the project manager, I did talk to her and I know some cyclists have reached out to her. And that she's been very responsive about that. She said she's taken it under consideration to eliminate those signs. I mean, my sort of take on it is that cyclists who are comfortable on road should probably stay on road. They can be in the bike lane. They can go through the roundabout in the bike lane. And, you know, until they get in your campus and then they can take the route to the path to like the center of campus. And on the southbound direction, there's also a bike lane, which I think that many cyclists won't use that. I mean, there are some cyclists. I know who will turn left at university and Mass Ave, like on left across path onto university at that, like blinking light, but you have to be a pretty like confident cyclist to do that. And so a lot of people don't do that particularly. And there's also the valley bikes right at the southwest storms where, you know, those cyclists are not, are more likely to be recreational cyclists or less likely to have helmets and so on. And so I don't think that all of them are going to get on the bike lane, but they're just going to stay. So, um, yeah, but she seemed really receptive. Tracy, Tracy, what's supposed to happen at Amity? I mean, that was the part that really shocked me is like, you're, if you're southbound, you're in this bike lane, and then you get to Amity and there's just nothing. And there's no direction about, I mean, I think, I don't know. Guilford might know more about that, but I mean, when I talk to the program, manager, she just, the project manager, she just said that the state jurisdiction ends before Amity. Right. And that it sounded like there may have been some ideas. I mean, I've heard, you know, rumors of potential redesigns of the Amity university drive intersection, but I've never heard progress about that. Again, Guilford might know more. I mean, it does, as somebody commutes to UMass, like there is a lot of back up there. There's, it's only one lane of trafficking insurrection and there's a lot of back up. When UMass is in session, of course, trying to turn left onto Amity. And it's only the one lane, right? So that's a big queuing area. And I mean, over the years, right, there's been many redesign plans for the university drive section from Amity to route nine. Some of that seems like it's happened, like near the big Y Plaza and so on. And there's a whole bunch of projects, development going in at route nine, like including the expanded medical buildings on both sides of the road and the little rotary that's going to be at South University Drive and like all those kind of things, as well as the redesign of route nine, which I guess it's slated for construction next summer, Guilford with route nine from university drive to South pleasant with the bike lanes and the sidewalks. So, but in terms of the other section. Yeah, I mean, it's nice. I mean, so what the, the way is striped now is that, as you said, the bike lane going south towards Amity, it just ends. So. Yeah, so I don't know. It's an interesting question. And I hadn't expected to end up at it about that Amity university drive intersection, which is kind of been a perennial subject that kind of, you know, it goes away. It's been identified as the culprit and a whole bunch of things like the traffic to the neighborhoods that are trying to avoid, I see you Kim, the traffic that is trying to avoid that intersection by going to the neighborhoods as well as, you know, just being very ineffective and dangerous trans intersection. I don't know. I hadn't thought about that. That's something you might want to work on with that on our project lists as there's no specific request about it. Of course we could get one pretty easily, but there it is. Oh, and the jurisdiction. Yeah, the jurisdiction is definitely. And we got to be clear. There are three. There are three entities that the three responsibilities here. University is one, the state and then the town. I don't think I'll meet exactly there, but those would be three different bodies taking responsibility. So, so Kim. Yeah. What was I going to say? This is a. Yeah. Guilford roundabout. And, and yeah, this is a, this intersection is a conundrum because it's also like nobody really lives there. And you know, I'm not sure anyone would write, but we all know that's a, that's an issue that particular intersection and not just for bicycles, obviously, or even pedestrians, but for everybody that intersection is, is a real. Issue. So. To you. Guilford. Unmute. Maybe, so I'm interested in Guilford's response as well, because he's certainly. More aware of the details of the history than, than, well, than me. And, but for us. We're beginning to ask a question. You know, what, what do we do about it? Which I think is as interesting. So, Guilford. So the, the plans for that intersection are about, I'd say they're probably, they're done. They're a hundred percent done. The state UMass, there's actually only two people, us and the UMass, they're responsible. Yeah. UMass did the design when they did. When they did their side of you drive. We were going to submit it for the mass works grant, and we submitted the one in the south instead. So the plans are all done. It's just a matter of how to figure out where it's going to fit in the funding process. And it is a roundabout. Is it a mini roundabout or is it a real roundabout? Wow, that's exciting. It's bigger than the one. It's bigger than the faring street roundabout. About the same size as the one on triangle street. Okay. So, so it's, it's not quite the, the mini roundabouts that, that we're, we just got a primer on recently. Well, I would say that the one on faring street isn't a mini roundabout either. Yeah. It is small. Yeah. All right. So, so. Yeah. All right. Well, well. Good. Thank you. It's, um, I guess maybe I'm mildly. Disappointed that we didn't get a chance to, to slip it onto our priority list. But even that is being held in advance now. So. Or do we put it on our priority list now? I don't know with our scoring system. Do we. We can put it on there. Um, so go for it with the, with the plans, what's happening with the private road, the parallels university drive? Is that involved at all with them? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the roundabout. It's not going that far. The private road stays. Oh. And so any possibility that it might become a. The bicycle route, the parallel bicycle route like has been suggested in the past. Uh, no. Okay. There's too much. There's too many driveways and parking areas. I mean, Athena's, I mean that's Athena's parking areas. And there's a lot of parking areas. And they're like, you know, I don't know where the. Pot shop is going to have their. Wait. One of the pot shops is going to have their parking in the, in that road too. And there's a whole bunch of businesses in there. There's three. There's three marijuana establishments in that interest in that quarter. Yes. That's the cool corner. All right. Well, well, thank you, Tracy. That was a thank you for the night. Well, yeah, it's not really an announcement. I guess my, I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they drive it did sort of leave me with some questions, you know, as a UMass person just about what review, like their projects undergo and what kind of input they get from the public or others. Right. It feels like sometimes the university isn't communicating so much with the town. But I was wondering if that extends to some of the construction work as well. And so. Yeah, I'm just wondering how did, how did they get out of that? I mean, I don't know. I love that. I don't know how she's been talking about her because they've sent me some of their emails. Like she's been super responsive. But at the same time, I'm sort of wondering how did. Because in this few parts of the design, I don't like, how did they happen? Like, did anybody say, like, don't put up this no biking sign there? And anyway, so this is kind of bigger of like philosophical process questions. Yeah. Kim. certain town member to interact with, you know, the planning people at UMass. And I happen to have like a really direct connection to Shane Conklin. And he still is like, who oversees all the projects at UMass. And he still like, just shoes me off to someone else and it never ends anywhere. And I'm like, guys, why wouldn't you want this me, this person who can interact with you and with the town? And I'm not sure why I'm going to continue to investigate this, but it makes no it's it's nonsensical. So just just a note, a side note or an observation on on on sort of Tracy's interaction with with the university. And in it, we're not talking about big changes here, but there are nonetheless significant. And our interaction with the mass DOT regarding the repairs on route nine, those have worked out very well. So it's I don't know what what the what the magic potion is. But maybe we should be one to establish a relationship directly with with UMass. I don't know. I guess I'm going to ask you if I'm getting too crazy here. If route nine was just too easy. And now University Drive. Let's me put money put it this way. In one instance, you're dealing with a state organization, which is trying to appease the people and the people in the Commonwealth. And in another situation, you have a state agency, which is a large private business or public business trying to make its money and stay in business. Okay, I guess I decide which is which. But okay. Well, yeah. And I guess, either or both, you know, it's it's effective to communicate or deal with them with clear sort of wealth, organized and understanding their side of the the the issues, you know, directly. And that's that's kind of feels like what happened to me. We need this. Here's why and here's why it's good for us both. So we get we get the upper level view of what they do their roads. We get the very upper level view of how they're changing and what they're going to do. But that's all we get. They do things on our roads, they don't even tell us about until we start doing it. So that's the lower level stuff. They just kind of just do it. But I know, like, Aaron, right, you had reached out to the University about or we talked about just with I mean, the you University Drive projects, it makes me just think about, you know, like Lincoln Avenue or like other projects that we talked about that it seems like there could be changes there on the University end. And I I soon recall that you had written a letter or we talked about like reaching out just so to be kind of kept informed or find out like what's happening. I mean, I feel like with the University Drive, I mean, just as the first thing I became aware of it is when the road was open, and I saw it like an action, right? So yeah, it makes me wonder about other University projects a little bit. But yeah, I think since the universe since the universe has changed since March, that I don't know if Guilford might be the the point of contact the university looks to and when and working with the town on on these things. Lucky Guilford, I guess, we, like I said, we get we get the bigger picture of what they're doing. But unless it's going to tie into a town road, we don't get the final details. Yeah. And I guess that's been my frustration all along is that, yes, a lot of their work doesn't actually touch our roads. But the the the way their modifications move traffic around, that does because then the traffic ends up, for instance, on Lincoln Avenue, because nobody thought that Oh, what are the parking lot there is going to drive people a little bit further up. Oh, having a crummy intersection down here is going to move people on this on the strong, you know, it's just I'm sorry, I bent it. Who is your main connection at Emass? Same as yours. Okay, I'm going to talk with him again. Well, I'm going to like this voice that I use. So it's fine. It's, it's, it's, yeah. It's not something, but we're different. You and I are different, you and I are in different positions, you know? Yeah, this, um, he's going to give you the same thing, but you have to understand that he is not the top of the I know. Yeah, I understand. Yeah. Um, and actually, so what I'm, I'm going to wonder out loud is whether an entity like let's say the TAC, which has a different voice, not not one of authority or, but one of knowledge and one of capability would be, I mean, just a member of the TAC going to, you know, the project manager for this thing had the effect that we needed. But if there was a safe body to, to, for instance, share future plans, and maybe to get ideas. I'm wondering if that isn't an effective mechanism that we might propose. Tracy. Hi, so I had reached out to some of the people I work with about the project, like including people I thought might have, you know, have some insights like you've worked on roundabouts and done roundabout research and things. Um, and one of the faculty members I spoke with told me that they had reviewed the preliminary plans for the design on University Drive before it was completed. So, I mean, there is, and I remember from back when I was on the public transportation bike committee, like that there was a UMass committee like with Albiom and some other people and they met periodically and I don't know exactly what their function was because I wasn't invited to those meetings. I didn't work at UMass then, but it seems like there is some kind of review and I've been trying to get some answers from that faculty member about like how that, how to tap into that. And I haven't heard back from them yet, but I mean, I will, and even before today's TAC meeting, I said, I think this is going to come up at TAC. If you have any kind of insights into it, let me know. Yeah. And historically, like the PTB, PTC, whatever it was, did have, well, a role to play with figuring out the roundabout that exists at the other end of campus. That design, actually, you know, they spent some time helping us understand it and understanding what we needed there. And that's worked out pretty well. So, all right. My question. Could there be signage put up into, presumably the town project will not be done in the next few weeks to redo that intersection. Could there be signage put up, you know, where the bike lane just ends about which, where bikes should go? I think that you might drop a note to public works to get that, that into the hopper. I mean, it's something that, that makes sense. But, you know, that's, that's Hilford. We have to talk to you, Mass, about that. Oh, that sets far enough on their side of the line. Yeah. Basically, the, the line for the intersection is about 10 feet from the pavement at Ammi Street to the North. I mean, I guess so one question on the southbound, because that's where the bike lane ends is the, like, how, what percentage or how many cyclists are going to be using the bike lane as opposed to staying on the path. Like, it seems like a lot of the traffic is going to be on the path. And even when I talked to some cyclists who said they would use the bike lane, that they would probably still like merge back, like it, you know, I don't know, maybe near like the Mullen Center. I mean, sorry, the football stadium, you know, back onto the path or something. I mean, the path is the most direct route. Like, that's what's been there historically, including for people connecting to the rail trail. And most of the time, the volume is not that high. Like, where a lot of cyclists are going to come off the path, like across the street. And there's no, there's no arrows or anything to get cyclists who are on the path, like leaving campus onto the bike lane on the southbound direction. So, I think the most of the traffic will stay on the path. But with the bike lane ending, it would be nice to have something. But yeah. Yeah. All right. I, so, so thank you. Thank you for that, Tracy, as I would like, let's see. We don't have any hearings. Oh, so Amber had news on minutes. I didn't have it. Oh, her pace has disappeared from my, my screen here. Kimberly. I have to leave in 10 minutes, just so you know, because I'm filming my daughter, who is doing a variation for the Nutcracker on, for the Mary Maple. So, I know what I'm going to be doing tomorrow night. So, where is it going to be streamed? Where can we watch this, Kim? On all the town sites and the BDI, the BDIC, every place has it. It starts at five o'clock and it's going to be a great, like little production. So, watch it. Sorry, I have to plug in. Sidney's doing the, Sidney's doing it alone, Eve. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Wait, does she have her tiara? Did you find a tiara? Yes, someone, someone gave me a tiara, which I asked our community for and, and she's amazing. And I know I'm biased, but it's pretty good. No, no, I thought you were going to be late because of that, not, not leaving early, but that's either way. So, no problem. Thank you very much. And how exciting. And that's a mini video, Kim. What I was saying otherwise was that I guess Amber has, has mastered another piece of software and is putting together minutes and I, I just wanted to have, have a chat with her about that and I don't know if, if it would be helpful. I mean, I'm happy to offer some editing time because it sounds like it's a very editing heavy process and really, there are only elements of our discussion that, that really I think are valuable to record. We're not required to record a lot of it, but recording all of it is also too much. So, I don't know if, if, if offering help is helpful or if she's just going to slog through that on her own. And she disappeared. So, I can't, I can't her unless that's her ringing in. She, she had to do a child thing right now. She had to go pick up a kid. She turned Gil, Guilford is the host. She made Guilford the host. Oh, lucky Guilford. I have to serve tea. Yeah. Yes, please. No, Amber did figure it out. She's just working through it. It's, it's kind of interesting. It gives you all the information, but it doesn't like certain things. Like it doesn't like my name. So, when you guys talk about me, it doesn't talk about me. So, she's trying to put those back in, but she should have the first set for the next meeting probably. Yeah. And will we, would it help if we somehow are they're disposed of ourselves a little bit differently? Maybe speak more slowly or louder or without this crazy accent? Everybody has to speak English. No, it's just, it just takes time. Okay. And our audio from our individual machines is okay and all that other good stuff. It's, it's, these are important. It's like, you know, if we can help out, that'd be great. No, it's, it's just the AI that picks up the different things. It doesn't like numbers either. So, it makes numbers something else. Okay. Upcoming projects. Anything new on the project front? I'm sorry, who was that? Was that you, Eve? No. Sorry. My other phone is leaving a message. It's from the state of Massachusetts. So, there's noise in the background. I apologize. It'll finish soon. But I just wanted to say full disclosure is that I'm a former tech member trying to keep up with notes and writing up what's going on in the tech for the indie. And I'll be trying to do that each week, although it's pretty hard to get myself motivated to do it between Thursday night and Friday night when it needs to get in for their weekly indie. But if that's helpful to the amber, she's welcome to look at my write-up, right? And then use it to inform her summary. Thank you. So, upcoming projects. And the intention of this is that as we move along and the world comes back to life when these vaccines begin to roll out and everything that while there seems to have been sort of a quiet period with people looking for, you know, intersection changes and stop signs and speed bumps and all those things that they look for, that this would be the time to slot, just mentioning them, talking about them, getting a look ahead, some intelligence on what's coming up. And I don't know of anything. We almost put Amity Street onto it. But otherwise, is there anything Guilford that you that you can think of? Tracy's thought of something. I'll ask her next. The only thing that's really being worked on right now is the grant that the playing department has, and Chris can probably talk to you more about that. You mean the Mass Works grant? No, the downtown grant. Shared streets. So, we're working on a grant with the state, Mass DOT, and it's called Shared Streets and something. Anyway, we did get a grant for $129,000 in the summer to do some work, and it was mainly supportive of downtown dining. But now we're trying to figure out what we should apply for in the second round. The state, I think, has $10 million to dole out, and we could get as much as $300,000, I think. So, one idea is to try to build part of North Common, and that would mean building possibly the sidewalk on the South Pleasant Street side of the North Common, and possibly redoing the sidewalk on the north side, which includes a bus stop. So, that's one idea. The Building Commissioner also has an idea about doing some improvements to the South Pleasant Street on the west side of South Pleasant Street in front of the restaurants where Oriental flavor and fresh side and Veracruzana is, and making it more inviting and possible for dining and application, but no decisions have been made about exactly what we're going to be applying for. But I think we'll probably be putting that application together towards the middle or end of December. I think it goes in the beginning of January, and Guilford has a lot of input on that. So, as I said, we haven't really decided anything about that. Will that be funding for planning or designing or construction? What's that for? It would be planning, it would be construction. Guilford and his team would do whatever planning and design is necessary, and then we would use the money for construction. So, the most likely thing at this time I think is improvements to the edges of the North Common, but there are some other ideas being loaded out there. Excellent. That's all very exciting. I have to say that when the Jersey Barriers went up and were unpainted, that was really not terribly inviting, but after a while, let's say it was kind of nice that we took back so much of that street for us and not cars. So, that's exciting. Tracy, you were trying to get a word in edgewise at the end there. Oh, you have to push the mute button again. Well, I also appreciate that unlike Northampton, we didn't rip ours up, like, get rid of ours. That was good. So, just with the list of projects, is like I always feel like the list of projects was kept with Guilford, right, in that he pulls up the list for us at meetings, like on a spreadsheet. And as we looked at the last meeting, he pulled it up in real time, you know, that the list hadn't been added to in a while. But it seems like some other projects might have come in. Like I just, you know, I just have heard, you know, other different concerns being raised or something. And I have a few different versions of the list, like in, you know, my files from previous meetings, like there was like kind of like the little projects list, which is more just citizen requests, some of which are never going to rank necessarily high enough to actually get implemented, but we're just keeping track of them. And then there's kind of the major lists, you know, if we're looking at like, say, you know, and even I and the Bruce have been working with the prioritization plan, you know, realistically, like we're probably only going to have one or two projects a year or less, right? So like in terms of the bigger projects, how long does it take to like move everything, all the priorities along and so on. But it did make me wonder, you know, just if it does still feel to me like there's some different lists and people are keeping sort of different information if there's one kind of central place or one central document or all that could be. But then also if there would be a way to have a publicly accessible version of that, just so one, you know, in the name of transparency, then so everybody can sort of see that these are the projects, similar to C-Click Fix or something, but just, you know, so the public could see like this is a list of projects that have been under consideration, you know, some of them have been on the list a really long time, say like East Pleasant Street and some of the other projects. And then it would just be a way that any of us could access it at any time and any citizens could access it at any time. And I don't know, it's just an idea, but one to have like one list, but then also if there's a publicly accessible version of that, like not to make it editable or anything, but just something that, you know, now so much stuff is in the cloud, like can it just be like a link in the cloud that the public can see or something. So, Kimberly. I was also wondering maybe sometimes these things get a little complicated, but perhaps every six months we could publish our list, you know, and update it every six months, which doesn't seem to burden someone. No, I mean, that would be an alternative version or something. Yeah, so in there. Yeah. I have to go. Sorry. Bye. Goodbye. Good luck. Break a leg. Oh, no. Is that the right thing? I'm sorry. Well, the, uh, and so where we where this has been in the past and, um, well, we I think we should think about this definitely certainly it wraps into our discussion about the charge, but, um, thinking about that, one of the things that we took out of our charge was that comprehensive, um, you know, keep track of everything several asked of public works to do. And that's that's certainly something that I don't think we should should be doing. Um, but short of that, we broke our list into three pieces, if I remember, and, uh, just revisiting those. Uh, this may have been just before your time, Tracy, as I think about it. Uh, but there was that there was the active. These are projects that are are funded. Um, these are major projects, and I can't remember how we decided major, but are funded and are going to be worked on. And here's here's the funding source, and here's the funding year, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And then there were the. Oh, I haven't seen. This is the biggest. Yeah, this was from one of our meetings. This was February. It says updated February 2019, which this was the big list. Yeah, that was. And then and then in the meeting, we also had this separate spreadsheet, which I call the little list, which is like all the. So, so I think I think I'm happy to revisit those, um, especially when we have a clear understanding about what our responsibilities will be. I don't take responsibility for everything that we have no authority on, but that be that, as it said, so the reason I put this particular note on the agenda, this this particular item, which is not making lists or updating how we take in projects and how we're going to keep them track and organize them, is that, um, the Pomroy intersection was an interesting thing to learn about. And I wanted to sort of set aside a time to put our heads together and maybe ask Guilford to say, Hey, what is it out there that we might want to just just get on to into one of these processes? And also, you know, Christine is going to give us a give us heads up. This is a sort of the intelligence gathering moment. And we'll visit those the idea of how we track it eventually. Absolutely. Bracey, thank you. So, so Guilford, how are we doing? Good. Doing great. We've got a big work downtown and I'm wondering also, um, as out of the 40 are meetings, um, I'm recalling that a piece of the 40 are, um, is dependent on, um, on, uh, access to transportation. But when you, when you draw the line, you have to draw it in a special way that includes transportation. I'm wondering if there's anything about that effort, um, in downtown Amherst that we might want to think about and be aware of. The 40 are may I answer that? Yes, please. I hope so, because I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah, so the 40 are is an overlay zoning district that's allowed or authorized by the state for towns and cities to adopt. It includes, um, the, the right to make, uh, developments that are denser than what are allowed by zoning. It includes, um, the requirement to include affordable housing and it potentially includes a payment from the state to a city or town for additional units over and above what is normally allowed via the zoning bylaw. The planning board and the CRC, the community resources committee are really, you know, trying to decide is 40 are something that we want to do. And there are members of the planning board who are really excited about it and other members who are much more lukewarm. Um, the CRC is kind of waiting to hear from the planning board about what they want to do. So it's, I don't think it's anything that's going to be coming up really soon. And when it does come up, it's really going to be, um, proposed in areas that already have public transportation. In fact, that's the, that's one of the requirements that you're supposed to, um, have these developments in places where you already have public transit. So in the downtown we have bus routes, um, in any of our village centers we have bus routes. So I'm not sure at this stage of kind of conceptual, uh, planning whether the tack would have much input. Once we get down to the nitty gritties and decide exactly where this thing is going to be, if we want to do it, then, um, you know, the tack might have some input. But right now I don't think they would. Yeah, no, I wasn't, I wasn't sort of worried about, about the input so much as the question as to whether it might be appropriate or something that we need to think about. It's a project that's, uh, it's something pretty exciting about redeveloping, planning the downtown. And I remember to have a transportation component, um, transportation, in this case public transportation. So, uh, that's why I bring it up. So, so thank you. Also, um, as the segue, yes, Chris. Because we're in the state of upcoming projects. Yes. So, you know, we're always fishing around for money and our town was recently designated a housing choice community. This is the second time in the last five years that we've been designated. Um, and the reason that we were designated is because we've produced more than 500 dwelling units in the last five years. So, this state is really pushing cities and towns to, um, develop more dwelling units because they need the units to house, you know, lots of new, uh, workers. Anyway, um, so we got the housing choice designation. Therefore, we have access to up to about $300,000 worth of funds. And the, um, planning department and, I think, Guilford's staff is putting their heads together. And the thing that seems to make the most sense is to try to complete the Mill Lane extension. The, the extension of the Mill Lane sidewalk from Route 116 to Graf Park. It's really, um, it's kind of all part of a picture. We have, um, low income housing development down there. It's not affordable with a big A, but it's affordable with a little A. A lot of low income people live along East Hadley Road in the housing developments. So, um, we put money into CDBG money, community development block grant money, into building a multi-use path along East Hadley Road that gets us as far as the intersection of Route 116 and East Hadley Road. But then there's no good connection across Route 116 to Graf Park. And we've already put, um, several hundred thousand dollars worth of improvements in Graf Park. And we would really like to be able to make those improvements accessible to the low income people who live at South Point and the boulders, et cetera. So, um, we are currently working on putting together a housing choice grant application, which I think is due this coming Friday, to, um, to extend the middle lane sidewalk. We have some money from, I think, CDBG from last year, but we don't have enough to build the whole thing. So, that's one thing that we're working on and we're hoping to get that money and we could get as much as three hundred thousand dollars for that. And then the other thing is we're, um, currently looking at projects that we can apply for for 2021 for community development block grant. And, um, they're mainly interested in doing capital projects in areas where, um, there's a preponderance of low income people. So, one of the possibilities is to, um, rebuild part of the sidewalk on the north side of the Avenue that would serve the people of Clark House and, um, the Ann Wellen Apartments. There are other ideas for using that CDBG money as well. And I'm sure if it's been in conversations with Dave's, you can, Nate Malloy, who I'm most familiar with that, but I just wanted to mention that, that we're, we're trying to get some money to, um, to do some infrastructure improvements used at CDBG money. Um, these are things that don't always, um, come into the public realm, you know, they're, they're kind of things that staff works on. We have a general sense of what's needed based on work that the TAC has done, based on past work that DPW has done. And when we see an opportunity, you know, we go and try to grab some money to get things done. So, that's, that's all. Excellent. Yeah. Right. Recognize these, these projects. I mean, we've talked about that West Street, Mill Lane intersection, um, and had some ideas that Guilford presented to us and we, we endorsed and, and pointed at. So, Tracy. Yeah. I had a question about the Mill Lane project is so like one of the things that's come up at past meetings. I think Kim brought up some issues too, just about the, the traffic signals like there, that it's like complicated with the traffic coming off of East Hadley Road. Yeah. And then I think Mill Lane is not actually a signal. Is that right? That it's actually just Yeah. The signals at East Hadley Road. Yeah. And then just kind of, yeah. But I don't know, it sounds like would that be part of the project or the project would focus on the sidewalk piece of it. The project would focus on the sidewalk, the project would do a crosswalk that would go cross 116 where East Hadley Road comes into West Street. And then it would go across that little bridge. Right. That's a house, right? So, if you look at, if you look at the, the big project that you'll see, or the future big project, it's on there. Right. And I would take it for granted that the, the crossing and the whatever hardscape is put down to, to get people safely from the west side to the east side or east side to west side of West Street or South Pleasant Street, depending on where the crossing is, would stay out of the way of future improvements that would make, you know, to the rest of the improvements that the CDPG money can't support right now. And that's, that's cool. Oh, yeah. And so on Kellogg, so is the project just from like Ann Willen back towards North Pleasant? Because there's also that section at Kellogg where there's not really a sidewalk, right? So if you keep going towards the high school, there's a little, it's like a, it's a major pedestrian corridor for a lot of people, but it's just like a line on the side. It's like a shoulder line or something. So, This could probably be an ability to get people from Ann Willen and Clark House to the post office. Oh, got it. Okay. Got it. Yeah. And the bus and everything and got it. So one project, I had flagged on our list of projects and that we'd come up and I, we talked about it. Some is also pot wine in 116. Like, is there still things that's still on the big project little project list or somehow it seemed like it had gotten moved up that there had been concerns about that with the big projects on the crosswalks. And is there a timeframe for that one? And now is that a round about two maybe or something? Well, that's an interesting point because things like that, you know, we've been able to put them on the list. And if something comes along like this, this funding because, because we're a good place to live and people want to give us money to help them, you know, make it better for those, you know, we can plug them in. So that's, that's, that is a real value, I think, that we're bringing to the table. So, I mean, at a place like pot wine and, you know, West Street, wouldn't a, I mean, rather than talking about roundabouts and, you know, changing the traffic lanes, why not put a pedestrian bridge over? I mean, if we're trying to take the pedestrians out of the roadway, take them out of the roadway and put them up in the air, get them accessible and the, I mean, they can be. They can be, but they're enormous. It's cheaper to put the round about it. It probably is cheaper, yeah. Yeah. Now, I'm not, I'm not saying it's cheaper. I mean, it's just like, yeah, I mean, yes, I come from this country with lots of those sort of things. Yeah, I have to confess to grinning a little bit on this, because this is an idea that's been brought up in a lot of places. And the design and the implementation is often so much more expensive that either nothing happens or something lesser. But that would really be cool. I've seen some beautiful pedestrian bridges, you know, with, you know, stay cables and the likes of that. Well, you don't need to go that crazy. I mean, just a little bit of concrete here and there will be fine. Well, it was a bit of a ramp. But yeah, they're very, they're very difficult. And I'm not sure that they work there. Well, if I've understood that people are not comfortable with them. Maybe people do think the sky is falling. But yeah. So well, you know, if the earthquakes would happen around here too, you want to be caught up on that one of those. Well, I mean, people have been talking about crosswalks there, but you'd also, you'd need to have something besides crosswalks. Like crosswalks alone, do not solve it. Right. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that's that's part of what we understand. And you need the crosswalks as well. So. And they should be at least like flashing or a light or something, but. Right. Or, or maybe I don't I don't know what the what they're thinking, but maybe they're going to be bringing the traffic across on the on the north side of the Mill River there. Instead, running it down the west side west street or whatever. So yes, Eve. So just I wanted to ask some specific follow-up. So, Guilford, can you clarify what what exactly is the status of what's happening at that intersection? Because I know people went out and measured it. Like is the status that we're just waiting for a grant to show up? Or is the status that there's a survey? Or what is what? Yeah. At Pot 1, do you mean? Yeah. At Pot 1. Just an a concept right now. Every everything, I mean, there's only there's only so much money and so much time. And what's gotten pushed to the front of what's been getting pushed to the front is the main intersection at Pomeroy and West Pomeroy, Pomeroy and 116. Right. That one's going up to the front and going to get the major attention for the next couple of months. Yeah. And that's going up to the front because it got funded. Is that right? Yes. And then because it got funded, that means it requires staff time and energy basically. Yeah. It means it's got to get designed. It's got to get pushed to a lot faster. That'll probably be your next depending on how the committee holds together and what you're doing. That'll probably be something you're you're tasked with doing something with soon. Well, now. What's the second? I'm sorry. You go ahead. So for the pot line one, it's in concept right now. So basically as soon as staff has time, you'll go back to trying to think about what might be done there. Is that the idea? Right. We actually, we broke it down to three phases. We've got the cheap phase. We got the intermediate phase and then we got the thing behind me phase. So what is the phase mean option? Yes. Okay. So it's not like stages of the plan. Well, actually, the way we have it laid out is we can build it in stages so that eventually you end up with the round about. But what you've done the previous ones fit into the round about design as it goes along. Oh, great. So do we have any sense of when that first phase might be able to go forward? After way, probably after we get done with West Street and Palmaroy. West Street, 116 Palmaroy. Yeah. Okay. And then it sounds like a good place to put it a plug for you, for extra hands for you, Gilford, huh? Yes. I mean, to make the committee work work better. I mean, the reason we don't have the list on the web posted anywhere is because we're supposedly changing our website. And we haven't got to that yet. So we haven't put new stuff out there. But then again, keeping the list up once we do, that's, yeah, I mean, talking to people about, you know, a half-time person to help manage the request and stuff would be good to move this a lot and keep it up to date. Yeah. Tracy. Well, I mean, in some committees, right, like to, you know, a lot of committees, I see they have like a list of kind of upcoming projects that they, as Kim said, you know, every six months, they could even be like in our quote packet or whatever, you know, and then people could also access it that way and it could go on our page or something. I did have a question about the status of, because I noted, you know, from our last agenda, right, I was talking about East Pleasant Street, too. And so, some people haven't asking about what's happening with East Pleasant and doing the survey there related to like the sidewalks and so on. So East Pleasant's in the queue, it's North Pleasant, which is the one you voted as the bigger priority is actually going forward a little, a little faster and actually, what you guys saw in the previously is kind of what we're pushing out into the public soon. And then we'll start trying to get things laid out to actually do work on North Pleasant this summer. So for North Pleasant, you're talking about the section from the North Roundabout on campus, like up towards the north, the center of Amherst. Yeah, okay. So I don't remember ever voting that North Pleasant was a higher priority. I remember voting that they were both are two highest priorities. But you said that North Pleasant was ahead in the queue, which I believed you. But I don't think we ever said it was a higher priority. You actually voted that one before you voted the East Pleasant one. So it went for analogically. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. So when do you expect the East Pleasant survey to start? Sometime this spring. So like whether it's any kind of thing? Hopefully. We have a lot of surveying that has to be done now. Pomeroy and 116 is going to get to the first of it and then it's going to move around quickly to some other projects. The CGBG work is funded that we have to move the surveyer over there and do some surveying along the middle river. And then we'll go from we'll work our way back. So, thinking of that and thinking of synergies will it be survey work on the bridge over the middle river where West Creek goes over? We have to survey the riverfront and the top of bank and that stuff. Yes. Yeah. So does it make sense? You know, that idea of synergy and mind it to sort of expand that survey a little bit to catch what corners and things that we might need to understand the the safer crossing that Chris has mentioned we're going to be doing and maybe even beyond that to get sort of the ground work for the improved intersection that we're fascinated sort of fantasizing about or is that is that so tightly held together that the answer would be no. The answer is always possible. Well, okay. Okay. We try that. We do try to mush things together as much as we can. We actually have a third thing we're trying to do at Potline or Mill Mill and West Street. There's a third thing we're trying to do which we haven't really talked about because it's more of a maintenance thing for us. So yes, there's going to be a lot more going on in that little area. Oh, how is that pedestrian bridge still safe? That's the third thing. Okay. They're very good, Marcus. So I wanted to spend some time about this. This is your moment, Guilford. You're going to do the magic trick. I'm going to ask you to do the magic trick now. I'm hoping that you oh, yes, Eve, you had one. Before you move on to the next agenda item, the subcommittee just wants to say one thing about future project discussions. No, but if you're still talking about projects, go ahead. No, I was going to go on to work on the pedestrian plan, but Oh, okay. So is Chris still here? Yes. They're in here. Okay, great. She's getting a couple coffee, so she turned her screen off. That's good. So Bruce and Tracy and I met yesterday and talked again through sort of our whole process to develop the prioritization plan. And last time we met, we've said that, you know, we sort of came up and decided we really needed some technical assistance to finish it up. So we would like an opportunity two weeks from now to tell you guys a little bit more of where we are and what kind of assistance we want. But Chris, we thought, since you had mentioned the idea of going to the PVPC, that that might be a possibility. We're really, we don't know if there's someone at the PVPC, but if, if there's someone who's worked on, you know, systems of the level of service matrices and how those play into point scoring systems, we really want someone who's got some experience having worked with that kind of system before and to help us sort of do each of those steps and make them talk to each other if that makes sense. Yeah, so I think what I said earlier was that PVPC comes out with these DLTA grant, you know, requests, I guess. I don't know how to describe it, RFPs or whatever, but they're specific to certain topics and they might have like three topics a year or five topics a year. And if you can fit your project into one of those topics, then you have a greater chance or a chance of getting this technical assistance. So I haven't seen a PVPC request or proposals yet. They usually come out in December and they do some kind sometime in January and then we'll work on them throughout the next year. So once I get that, I'll have a better sense of whether some of the things that you are trying to do would fit into their their whatever topics that there were working on this year. That's great. So Erin, for the agenda for next time, can we put those two things into an agenda item as a package? Yeah. So Tracy, I'm going to ask a few to send me a note for that. And good. Thank you. That way I'll make sure I'll get it in right and make sure you get it in. So all right. Thank you, Eve. Thank you, Tracy. Guilford. Oh, and Bruce, Bruce is on our subcommittee too. Thank you, Bruce. Well, no, I had to pick someone and so is it Bruce who's going to send me the letter? Bruce, I would, you decide, but I just would like a note from one of you to a correspondence to kick me in the shins. It's good for me. I'm hopeful that you all had a chance to go over the stuff that Amber sent us on the pedestrian and bicycling plan. It brought back memories, I have to say. I hadn't realized how much work we put into that and how far we got including the rating. I remember the rating system, but not that we had gone that deeply into it. All of that said, I'm delighted that I'm delighted that to be getting ready to roll this out. I really think it's a very, it's a nice piece of work and want to, would like to get this last little piece tidied up and sent out and so we can put it all together and say la voila and turn it out and send it out into the wild. It can do, it has the potential for doing a lot of good that I can see and that's, that would be, that would be nice. Tracy. So I just have a few process questions about this. So the the bike and I mean the pedestrian bike network plan right it's now, I think it was finalized in 2019, but a lot of the work was done in 2018 and we're almost in 2021. And so I know when the original plan I wasn't on the tack then and Marcus wasn't on the tack then. I know when the original plan came out there was like a public review a little bit, but I don't know, you know now that it's been a few years and so on if it needs to before things are finalized or for example before the council if we wanted the council to adopt the plan formally if there's value added to that like whether they would need whether it would benefit from having a chance for like public review in common again before saying it's finalized like on our agenda it said a final and so I don't know if are we going to be at that stage? Are we going to get that done in 10 minutes? But yeah, this is part of the the thing that I promised to extend you all and have and I'm sorry our preface part of our preamble talks just about that how this is a snapshot this is gathering and that part of what we envisioned our role at that point and I think we're going to re-envision our role now is to as opportunities present themselves to forward the plan and the issues that are identified and the solutions that are identified in the plan bring them up to date we have to stop I mean that the report is done they've done the research they found what they found they've they've we've learned what we've learned to get to that point and yes time has gone on and yes there have been requests and there have been more accidents and there's been more stuff that would have changed the new report if we did it again but we can't do that we you know this is it and really what we were asking is that hey here it is let's get started doing this work that was that is the intent of this report not to you know be omniscient about these things so I know that no I mean I guess so are we I might say that but I think that that has to be where we deal with it so I mean are we asking for somebody like are we asking for the council to approve it or or anything oh yeah absolutely I think absolutely and this is this is another thing that's got to go into our discussion about you know ongoing discussion with the charge is is you know here is this thing that that you know has a lot of time and effort and public input which I know you're unhappy about that has been happening not I'm happy not you not you not you you the town council oh sure okay you know so you know deal with this or don't it's your peril yeah what I imagine and and we'll we'll think about this together is that yeah we're going to just get on the agenda with the town council or the TSO so I'm not sure which is the most appropriate and probably town council in this case and offer it as a as a public resolution or whatever the appropriate process is Eve actually Chris was going to say something earlier yes you was yeah I was distracted as I was waving my hands around Chris I think there's still work that can be done on the maps the text is pretty much done but the maps are still in flux and PVPC did as much as they could given the amount of time and money that they had but you now can choose to make changes, additions, subtractions or whatever to the map of proposed pedestrian and bicycle links so that is something that was what I'd hope to work on tonight and I don't know who chairs these things but he seems always run out of time Eve yeah in my opinion we've been waiting for a year and a half to get sort of the the data so that we could effectively work on and it would actually be good for us to take that map out to the stakeholder group so to the you know mass bike to the Stavros Center to I don't know low-income advocates and sort of say does this route make sense do these routes make sense and not just do it just you guys I would do my opinion before that and just do it with the map I agree that don't mess with the text although there are two typos that need to get corrected in the text and I know of but other than that I would I still I think it'd be good to get the map the map out yeah so I don't know if if because my anxiety you get to done that I would flip down his head a little bit saying you know here here is here is what we know here's what we can do and when the time comes time to implement you town council figure out what how to engage the stakeholders that you're preventing I mean this gets back to the issue of how town council wants us to interact with stakeholders and you know I'd like to I'd like this to be an impetus to say look here's the thing here's what we've done we're going to give it to you to be approved or to accept whatever you want to do with it and the way it works is to you know this next step when we implement it you need to do this with stakeholders that's that's what I would suggest and hope that we we end up doing my Chris so so I mean maybe that's a good question for Darcy because one you know Darcy is a council member and she's also the chair of the TSO yeah and so the TSO is meeting right now by the way but yes maybe that can be so maybe that could be something we could check in with the just with Darcy as a first like take it in and I'm looking forward to checking in with with the completed with what we can call final so we say here it is you know we're ready to we're ready to render rock um so um one two oh we're still we're still at where I I see faces disappearing and it's it's so can so can what what what page I'm excited to go what what what page is the official like it puts everything together map I I get a little bit confused because there's so many different maps but didn't Amber she sent a map as a separate attachment I think she did but each map does something different yeah but the one that you are looking for Eve in the report if you just to know where it is a report it is so here here are the maps numbers oh Guilford sharing it yeah it's it's the last thing before appendix B so it's like that there's the pedestrian map and the bicycle map is that is that those tunes Guilford this is the pedestrian map here it is the bike and walking networks bicycle and pedestrian plan there's a final walking yeah so this that that okay getting closer that that looks like it there's the level of the level of service it's page 70 oh yeah okay can we get down to wait where did you get those tabs I have it set up so I can do this yeah that's cool yeah that's the plan and then this is oh I got the final bike up here twice so I yeah I'm sorry Bernie could be with us tonight I would want him to to be able to sort of poke us and look at this with us and poke us about so we could I mean since this was one of the main items on the agenda is this something that we could discuss in more depth on the 17th because we're already we're going to we're already at 10 because we're not going to get done we're 10 to seven so maybe we just I mean when I had looked at the agenda before the meeting I know we got you know on the University Drive discussion but it seemed like this was one of the major items so it was intent that's my it was my intention but so I was finding value in so that for Dar I thought for Darcy and over here a lot of that stuff yeah that's I mean just go down sorry just a quick picture on this can we go into the Pomeroy lane because I wonder with the town's acquisition of the golf course if that changes anything down there sorry the town doesn't currently own the golf course it doesn't but it will do very shortly right well it's been like very shortly for a very long time but what do you want to this is the bike and yeah I was just curious if we included Pomeroy lane going out that way as you know in need of a because it would be accessing a green space eventually so so what I'm going to I'm going to suggest that we put off marking this up until the 17th this as you say Tracy and I'm going to ask that that we all look at this and figure out where we want to put our marks sorry Gilford we're going to have to postpone that exercise until until next time but the and what I was going to do instead of these last few minutes was to answer that question that's an interesting question and and yes and so that's it and so along those lines of answering that question and not doing the marking up one of the things that we realized when we were talking about the middle lane intersection in fact because that came hard on the heels of of the the proposal to or the the approval of money to improve Groff Park was that where there are changes you know oh hey this the traffic is going to change and we really do need to look at the important nodes in the in the traffic network around those changes okay so now we own or will come to own and turn mostly into a solar farm if I recall this this piece of property that is at this intersection is very intersection that is getting a lot of attention right now so I'm sorry Guilford I interrupted I just wanted to keep things going along so you were saying oh no no it's just this is we don't own we don't own the golf course yet no but we will I mean that that's that's pretty fate of complete no we don't own the golf course yet and actually they're going to have two two areas of solar farm right basically just up around that picnic sign and then off to the left the far left is going to be solar it's more to the more to the right okay yeah so that green that whole that entire green spot you see that's actually not all the golf course that's golf course plus extra land okay okay yeah golf course plus wetland yeah no extra I wouldn't call it wetland a lot of it's nice high I mean we actually have a sewer line which runs from east Hadley road down that green strip all the way down to the golf course actually a sewer line in a easement and actually a road that runs through there so and then there's conservation land that ties into it and yeah other protected land that's why it's such a big weird shape yeah I'm just able to go fishing there sometimes okay no and even now you know the sewer so close to it even with the sewer so close yeah I trust ammo it's not to overflow it since I've been here we've only had one release down there only one it was biggin too so can you bring up the network map there gilford we look at while we now that we've answered that well this is the this is let's see okay I mean maybe talk about this next time I mean I'm yeah I know but just Kim isn't here I just wanted to yeah okay I just wanted to get familiar with it we don't have time to really work on it but it'd be okay I think it'd be good to to look at it practice a little bit get us get remind you know I remind myself what it feels like so this is the bike and pad base map so they're all have different meanings the level of stress was the one that we wanted to make some corrections to because we didn't kind of agree with some of their their stress yeah can we talk to you about that at some point gilford because that partly informed our thinking about our sixth peer level of stress idea yeah I mean that's fine yeah yeah and there's there's um this this is an analysis that that that is used as their their their decision their version of the the the stress basic that that matrix that they had here this plugged in those numbers and just the colors popped out and you're saying there's some mistakes I don't I don't remember that but maybe I fell asleep at that point I do like that mill valley is red and that's probably just the size of the potholes no mill valley is much better now I remember when there was a 5k race there around like basically running around the potholes and I mean it's much it's much better and you get the whole 5k just going around the potholes um but I mean this is wildflower here this red line yeah and and they marked it high stress but there's sidewalk there's the roads wide there it's a neighborhood it's not a high speed area that was one we were well I think there's a neighbor or two who might disagree with the high speed area but yes well it's not it's wide yeah it's no sure yeah they based it on speed posted speed limits not actual speed count or speed yeah yeah and then this is this is the crash analysis map great yeah that was a random question about the level of stress map yep and why is the very northern end of east pleasant orange instead of red of east pleasant that's another that's another out of to you this because they dropped the speed limit right there right well it drops close it doesn't drop it was there yeah it's right there yeah not but if you ever walked on that stretch it's not safe no well that's the difference between using their their criteria versus if you want to use like real criteria ouch like actual actual speeds or actual traffic studies that type of thing versus just this is the posted speed well I mean we have the ability to edit the map a little bit now yeah but that's part of what we want to do right we want to post the maps they gave us then we want to give the revised do the revised maps and these are our maps that's what we got right yeah yeah they didn't want us to change their map yeah no I understand and I wouldn't want to change your maps too because the the process that their analysis is described and it's you know it's fair it says you know we didn't walk the street what we did is we took the speed limit and the width and and that's what we plugged in and this is what comes out of that and you know this sort of is similar to the discussion about you know when we have to implement a piece you know this is really just a starting point because that's all we had the money for and we do have the GIS layers now right so we can it can be edited in house and just updated yes right okay and then I mean yet like Aaron said this is where you start and then right now disagree with something we go out there and we verify everything and say well no this should be this or that yeah that's cool great oh yeah according to our according to our you know if we're doing our six level prioritization plan matrix then probably one of the things we'd want to do is recategorize this according to those six categories at some point yeah a different project and it takes two more colors than we've got here so I I can I can get use some MSGIFT students though to help there you go so okay I'd love to know the one that we're looking at then is the one that's called that's the biking walking network so the last one that was the last one where we are putting our pencils to create the networks because there these ones actually I'm looking at them I think Eve did they get a lot of our notes already they did get a lot of our notes before but then we had a couple little things that they didn't add to it yeah and and I don't know if you remember Aaron but there was one day we were like okay let's do this crash like last add everything we can but we all got too tired and we only get half the town yeah isn't that road off northeast street a dirt track how is that yellow northeast street yeah like right I mean I'm pointing at my screen down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down keep going down oh this that that yeah that's a dirt track it is it's not a road it's not really a road that was yet some other things like this isn't a road yeah this is not a road that right well I mean it's certainly a it's yellow probably because it's where the cops sit but that's about it so yeah yeah I mean there's yeah there's like six roads right here that so it's okay to correct though is because I mean those those would I don't know what what if that was something that the GIS you know get coded as a road and so we've got their work automatically it's it's just the person that was running the who was doing it that's how they picked them up and they show rolling ridge going all the way from east pleasant to north pleasant right which doesn't how are we going to get those those are important fixes no those are easy ones to do yeah okay how are we going to do them though so something that we that we need to sit down to do or is that well when we mark all these up we'll just mark them all up and then I'll give them to somebody and then I'll have them just work through it okay so we'll do the mark up and then you'll work through it okay but like for example if some of the colors are on things that aren't like you must have a base road slayer right go for that you're using so couldn't we just like exclude anything that's not actually on the road if it's all level service on the roads that are recognized as roads yes I mean we could just immediately like exclude all those other ones but is that the mark up that we have to do is that what you're no no you need to do the other mark ups okay I mean you can fix the road layer is what I'm saying great yeah and so we can fix the colors wildwood cemeteries marked in there too yeah as a road I guess yes with no stress right yeah it's not stressful I mean if you're sitting around in the ground it's not really stressful so did they use how how are all those roads were they just like from an aerial from the aerial anyway some data that you met I mean that pvpc has interesting okay so they don't have our latest gis they didn't have our up-to-date gis at that point I'm surprised we're a member after all they were all I mean they were told where it is and how to get it and I think they just use what they have got it yeah you could always share I guess back let's put you gilford seriously there's a we have 16 ms students in the gist program this year and they're just in the process of figuring out what their internships are going to be that they're required to do so this could easily be you know a project that you get a master's student to help with okay but we would we would we would probably want a description a description relatively soon to get out to the students ah can I just ask for a gis grunt no because I mean you can I don't know what that means though but I don't think Paul would understand real life great gis experience I've been a gis grunt I spent a summer editing transit routes so just by the way Eve I've had some experience with interns in town hall and it's gone very well they in fact one of them worked in town hall after graduating for a number of years it worked went so well so that I think that's an excellent idea but I think we need to be clear about what they're going to be doing what what and and I don't know Guilford if the the process is in place to supervise to for you to take on the additional responsibility to to supervise them I don't know how all of that works but maybe you'll let us know we we take interns on all the time okay interns are actually easier than employees well yeah yeah I was I was suggesting that because this would be a pretty you know pretty high qualified highly qualified interns right of course no that would be great I need the best come from UMass so yeah yeah well I'm not it's the master's program in GISP as opposed to like just an undergrad who's taken a course or whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah of course yeah and they're required to have a work internship to get their master's degree got it it could be you know yeah it could be a win-win situation exactly you've been very quiet this evening well I'm waiting for my cue so can can we um because we are already after seven can we like finish up soon I hope um shall I move to uh adjourn well wait so well not that I guess so one thing Erin um you have this thing here on about the status of the tax charge and it seemed from our last meeting like that we had worked on the charge and you had incorporated comments and had a new draft but that we were looking for feedback from the town manager before proceeding further which I thought was a really wise choice instead of us continuing to spend our energies just to see what feedback we get but we haven't received feedback yet is that correct well and I have been in communication with Paul and he he has promised and on the on the strength of that promise and some conversations that I've had with Darcy I'm thinking that we're still that doing our work what we're doing here and so we have things to present as as the as the as the wheels turn and making that consideration I mean two things one is is I think we've gone really far with it with the charge as it is and there's not much that we can change without knowing more and I'm trying to get to that more right that we'll need to know and so I'm not hiding anything and I try not to avoid dealing with it because it is sometimes very uncomfortable but no I think I think I'm hopeful as I am every week that there'll be something to do and something to say about that the only thing that that I I meant to offer earlier is that the TSO oh everybody saw the your note Tracy right yeah I want to I mean I I hope they opened up the link there I don't need to don't think we need to talk about it much but just to see it there really as it is an expression I'm taking it as an expression of certain ideas that are developing on the TAC on the TSO and the TSO about the TAC right or something so so basically really the thumbnail sketch that I would take away from it is that the TSO is telling the TAC that no you're not going to do parking well I'm cool with that at some level I mean I guess the reason I sent the comment is I'm not I mean the TSO it's town services and outreach and a lot of what there if you look at their charge a lot of it has to do with like day to day business of the town right you know and I mean I I would never think that we would want to get involved and we've had discussions about this previously about you know very specific details about parking but I do I do I I mean I do think you know if we look at our charge parking is in there and I think from like a larger perspective like there are some I know that the TSO and the council are the keepers of the public way but that it is still useful I think just from coming from our perspective to maybe add in terms of the on the policy level or you know on like for example you know they were talking in that memo about criteria that they would use for making parking decisions and it seemed like there were some criteria which I think are important that they hadn't considered and I think that you know the you know the authors there they had said well the TAC is just a group of volunteers right but we're actually an appointed member body of people who have shown like a certain amount of expertise and knowledge about transportation issues and with that background you know we may have insights that would be helpful to decision makers yeah so so I mean we may want I mean I could make that argument individually but I think as a TAC too you know there were some things that I thought that could deserve we should respond to well possibly I mean it could be a TAC discussion about it I did think the language is rather dismissive but yeah yeah I don't know what the response well so I mean in a way that feels like a response to what we've sent because many of the points that we made that were very clear about the authority that we expect the interfacing with the public that we would expect to be involved in that the types of things that we're moving along those are mentioned those are all kind of hinted at there are suggested or outright stated and and related to parking that's not what they want and so it's face value that's what it is it's just about you know town-wide parking is not the TAC's responsibility okay what is in between the lines I don't know no I don't I don't know how to respond to that but I also guess I mean just because we're taking I mean I think like the TSO meeting might it's happening now and I was thinking of even going over to public comment I mean I could say that you know we we haven't discussed it if we wanted to have a response as a TAC well I guess I mean my general response individually and as an TAC member not speaking for the TAC would be that I mean like for example I was thinking about things that weren't on their list of criteria you know that I think just our insights can help our insights can help with the policy right and and that's all well so yeah so I don't know what our response should be I want to couch what our response is with what I learned from everybody I'm hopeful and heartened actually that the discussion that we had earlier when Darcy was still with us right that's that will go with her into that yeah I'd actually yeah if we can adjourn this meeting I'd go over and I just can we have that as an agenda item for the next meeting where we could talk about you know TSO in the parking a little bit then I'll have to get some sort of responses as part of the deadline yes we can no we're just that we can decide if we wanted to I mean maybe I mean when the the TSO will have an update on you know what they discussed and what how it progressed because this was just one proposal by two of the TSO members and they had on many different options that they were looking at yeah so the short answer is yes and the long answer is I will also figure out what that is and and we'll be in touch Tracey certainly so all right so thank you for that that's so that's okay I'm sure that Bruce is not too upset of being interrupted for that but I'd like to um but if we a journal I'll go over to TSO you'll get good so Bruce go ahead unless there's anything else not to monopolize now this is not this is not a motion that can be discussed I move to the turn thank you thank you everybody thank you thank you Amber I know she's got a lot of work from this now thank you Amber all right bye