 It's time for the Lorne Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour, brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. A presentation of the Lorne Jean Wittner Watch Company, maker of Lorne Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wittner, distinguished companion to the world-honored Lorne Jean. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lorne Jean Chronoscope? Mr. William Bradford Huey, editor of the American Mercury, and Mr. Henry Haslitz, editor of the Freeman and contributing editor of Newsweek Magazine. Our distinguished guest for this evening is Dr. Wellington Koo, ambassador from China to the United States. The opinions expressed are necessarily those of the speakers. Dr. Koo, you've been the ambassador of your country to the United States since 1946, I believe, but you were no stranger even then. I don't want to embarrass you, but I think a lot of our Chronoscope audience would be happy to know about your brilliant career at Columbia University. And where you edited the spectator, and I think you ran the debating team and made a member of the Phi Beta Kappa and so on. And then at the age, I think of about 27, you began to be an envoy of your country and you represented your country here in the United States. You've been an ambassador to France and to Great Britain as well as here. You've served for countries of Prime Minister as an acting Prime Minister one time, I think, and you've had such a wide-ranging experience in international affairs that I hardly know of any other man alive who could equal it, certainly none who could surpass it. So I'd like to talk to you tonight about the state of the world, and I thought perhaps it might be best to begin with conditions around Formosa, where your government has now had its seed and power. There have been rumors that the position of the government there, the Shankeshak government, is deteriorating. Now what's the real truth of the situation there? Well, what you have heard, Mr. Hatton, is not true. It has not deteriorated. On the other hand, it has improved politically, morally, economically and militarily. We have completed a program of the free elections of the local and provincial officials. We have carried almost a budget now, which is a great achievement with the aid from the United States. And we have raised the morale of the combat troops and we have, generally speaking, raised the spirit of the people of Formosa in their determination. Would you be able to protect the country against any invasion? We'd like it to be launched from the mainland, do you think? Are we able to resist an invasion, an attempted invasion? I think we are. We can. Especially as we have the support of the US 7th Fleet and especially as we have been able, as I said a little while ago, greatly improve the quality of the combat troops and raise their morale. Well, would you have the strength to launch an invasion under present conditions? Well, that would depend upon how long the campaign would be. If we are certain of success within a limited period, we think we can with certain increased help. If the campaign should extend over a long period, then it would depend upon many other factors, such as the general international situation. Well, what role has our Navy played in patrolling the waters between the mainland and Formosa? It's been neutralizing those waters, so to speak, hasn't it? Hasn't that had the effect of making it unnecessary for the Chinese Communists to hold large bodies of troops down there? Haven't they been able to divert those troops up to Korea and Manchuria and so on? Well, I think I would call it a very interesting coincidence that ever since the 7th Fleet was stationed there, the Communists have been withdrawing troops from the coastal provinces facing Formosa and sending them north to Korea. Dr. Koo, you, of course, are a distinguished student of the Orient. We've had several many people on this program from Asia who've been there and representatives. We had the distinguished ambassador from Indonesia who told us today that westerners were not particularly welcome in Indonesia. Mr. Bullock told us that westerners were not particularly welcome in India today. Now, is it true that one of the facts of our time is that there is a revolt against the West in Asia? Well, basically there is a very widespread latent feeling that the Asia people should be able to run their own affairs and should not be exploited. But that has not applied to the whole West, though. Well, now let me ask you this. In your long and unsuccessful battle against the Communists in China, could you say that you were handicapped because your forces were generally said to be the representatives or the friends of the West? Wasn't American friendship a real handicap to you in your battle with the Communists in Asia? Well, yes, Mr. Hewitt. That was a great theme on the part of the Communist propaganda that the Nationalist China, the Nationalist government, and its officials and all the anti-communist Chinese were the running dogs of the United States. And you'll say that as a practical politician it was a real handicap for you in trying to combat Communism? Well, certainly that gave the Communists a pretext to, so to speak, to fool the people. Yes, it was a very powerful weapon for the Communists to exploit that anti-Western feeling among the Chinese. Now, sir, our audience, of course, is well aware of the long missionary effort made by the West in China. When did the American missionary effort begin in China? At the beginning of the last century. So it went on for more than a hundred years, didn't it? Well, for nearly about 150 years. And as a scholar, what would you say was the, how would you evaluate that effort? Well, personally, I would say that the service they rendered, the value of their service is really priceless, because they did many things besides carrying the gospel to our people. In the medical field, in the field of education, in the field of science, they were the pioneers. Now, that long and difficult effort has come to an end now, hasn't it? It's practically so, because the Communist authorities are doing everything to destroy that contact. They've driven out all the missionaries, and I believe they've recently driven out the Salvation Army, hasn't they? Yes, yes. Dr. Poo, I wanted to ask you about this so-called China lobby. You, of course, must be more aware than the rest of us of the charges that have been made recently, and there's something that's been called a China lobby. Curiously enough, it isn't the Chinese Communist that this charge is brought against, but the Chinese Nationalist Government. And I'd like to, or friends of that government, I'd like to ask whether you'd like to comment on these odd charges. Mr. Hathlete, I must be very frank. I personally do not know what the China lobby is, because I never know that there any China lobby exists, except that there is a Chinese Communist lobby, or the International Communist lobby. You're accused of defending your government, is that what the lobby amounts to? Well, I must treat guillotine, that's it. Well, now, Dr. Poo, this government of ours is still friendly to you, isn't it? It's still giving you money. Yes. And to what extent? How much aid, dollar aid are you getting from the United States this year? Well, for the current fiscal year, it approximates $300 million, including military, economic aid, and what is called the impact aid. Are you getting aid? Are you getting aid from any other nation in the world other than the United States? No, Mr. Hewitt. This is the only country that's been giving aid. Is France, in effect, giving any aid by its forces at all? No, Mr. Hewitt. It isn't. No. Well, how about this? Are there any serious guerrilla forces on the mainland fighting on your side, or fighting the Chinese communists, whether they are formally allied with the nationalist government or not? There are very substantial forces on the mainland, the guerrilla forces, you know. At least there are five, six regions where the guerrillas concentrate in the hills, in the mountains, in the woods, fighting the communist authorities. Do they work together or do they work as independent bands, more or less? Part of them, they are linked together. And for most, it keeps a very close contact with them all. Rather regularly? Fairly regularly, yes. Well, do you make any sorties onto the mainland at all? Are you able to do that at all? Well, we've been making what is called raids, and we've been able to occupy coastal towns sometimes for ten days, sometimes for fortnight, not with the idea of holding them permanently, but with the idea of giving supplies and to the guerrilla forces. Well, Shankai Chek offered to bring his forces to Korea to fight against the Chinese communists there, didn't he? And that offer was refused, and that refusal still stands, isn't that the situation? Yes, that is so. Dr. Koo, in your long battle, an unsuccessful battle against the communists, were there any surprises for you? Were you surprised at how rapidly the communists took over China? Have there been any surprises for you as an individual, sir? Well, personally, I think I've been surprised by the rapidity with which they have been able to overrun the mainland. And the communists are destroying what was known as Chinese culture, are they not? They're changing the nation completely, changing the attitudes of the people? Decidedly. They're destroying even the very basic foundation of our society, the family. And as a final question, sir, your principle aim is to rescue China. How long do you think you have to rescue China, or before the communists are able to completely change the character of the nation? Well, we hope we will be able to start on our recovery of the mainland program before too long, before the communists are able to consolidate their position on the mainland. I see. Thank you, sir, very much for being with us. The editorial board for this edition of the Long Jean Chronoscope was Mr. William Bradford Huey and Mr. Henry Haslett. 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