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I'm not sure you know if this is ending anytime soon or this is you know the the deepest part of the rainy season but yeah I we're gonna have a conversation very soon about talking you know what seasons we have you know rainy season dry season where we're gonna have that conversation because I heard somewhere that those are actually not seasons that's actually weather. But good morning thanks for joining us I am Osaugi Ogbawan. All right now top trending stories today pretty interesting news. Okay where do we begin? Do we start with our operation safe corridor? So news broke first of all it's the governor of Buenos Aires going on to say that over a thousand you know Boko Haram fighters had been deradicalized, had been rehabilitated and had been integrated with society. He wasn't happy about this and he went on to say that you know the operation safe corridor that the president you know initiated in 2016 was not working and that his fear was that these Boko Haram members who have been rehabilitated still go back to join their groups and you know maybe have even gathered more intelligence to you know on where to attack soft sports and targets and things like that but we have a statement from the military that responded and basically saying and this is a statement from Ami Spokesman Onyemawachiku. He went on to explain that the statements that we've been hearing are not true and that these people are not Boko Haram fighters they're not ex-Boko Haram fighters that they are suspects or suspected terrorists who have been held for a period of time who had been thoroughly investigated and they were found to be you know innocent of any terrorist affiliation and so they were let go after a period of rehabilitation so we really don't know what to believe because he's going on to say that you know these reports are false these reports are untrue that people simply want Nigerians to be you know in a state of panic and in a frenzy you know that oh there's a security threat in Nigeria is worse than what it is he said on a code these cleared suspects are therefore not ex-Boko Haram fighters as peddled in the said online report as to masterminds would want to impress on the public and that these people you know were released after a rigorous process on Wednesday July 14th 2021 so that's where we are what do we believe the statements from the bonus state governor who said this operation safe corridor which was an initiative to radicalize terrorists you know basically is not working or statements from the army saying no these are not terrorists these are just people who were picked up but we found that they're not terrorists so we're letting them go uh well um first one is you know how you know government persons you know both in security and of course you know executive always try to blame people when they complain you know and say you know you're causing tension and you know completely forget that it is their inadequacies and their failures that have led to the tension that's one and then two the deradicalization program itself is the first time that I've heard about it or anybody has heard about it ever that you know terrorists you know and the the whole idea that a terrorist can be deradicalized instead of you know being prosecuted and jailed instead of being fully prosecuted to the you know a full extent of the law is the first time that we're hearing about things like that but whether these ones are suspects whether they're cousins to Boko Haram whether they're the ones who used to cook food for them whether they're just people that they picked up on the streets randomly doesn't change the fact that there is actually a deradicalization program doesn't also change the fact that in the past we've seen terrorists and former terrorists and the government own up to the fact that there are former terrorists that have been deradicalized and they have you know you know dropped their arms and they're no longer Boko Haram and so they have been deradicalized and they've been accepted back into the society there's also a video clip of an army spokesperson saying that an ex Boko Haram can even make it you know all the way to become president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and so you know he shouldn't we might want you to shouldn't you know act like you know we're we're talking nonsense or we don't or Nigerians don't know what they're talking about when they complain so you know it is from a history of the whole idea of deradicalizing people who have killed and maimed and murdered even if they didn't do it themselves they have been part of a group that has committed murders and atrocities against Nigerian state and led to the death of thousands of Nigerian lives and so it would never sit well with anybody I don't think anybody is going to look at those things and say okay that's fine these are just suspects you know these stories are coming from somewhere so it possibly is true according to what the governor is saying it's also possible that they're mainly just suspect that we're arrested over time and they're being set free but the fact is there have been deradicalization of terrorists and um oh the final thing that I would say the you know strong one actually is show me 12 actual terrorists that have been sent to court in Nigeria that have been found guilty of terrorism that have been jailed for 20 years show me five show me two show me an ex Boko Haram leader that was arrested in the course of battle and was you know prosecuted and was found guilty of terrorism you know and you know maybe killed a hundred people show me any one show me a bandit in Nigeria in the last 10 years that you can point to and say okay this person used to be a bandit was arrested by the army or by the police and you know was prosecuted you know the court found him guilty of you know of these crimes and have been sentenced to jail show me one show me even their one one single half even there's none so when people complain about the whole idea of deradicalization don't shut them down you know it's it's because of your failures because you've you know almost rewarded terrorism that's what it seems like you have rewarded and what is a terrorist thinking in Nigeria today from court what's going to happen they will deradicalize me after a couple of months that's what it is see this deradicalization program has been a subject of controversy indeed there are articles and articles on the web you know of you know scholars analyzing the impact of this operation safe corridor and the consensus that we seem to get from what you know these security experts and analysts have been saying is that you know an operation safe corridor launched by the military or by the Nigerian government to deradicalize terrorists is just showing the federal government admitting that they cannot defeat terrorism that they can they cannot you know eliminate you know the Bokram threat in Nigeria and also there's the other angle of saying oh terrorism cannot be fought by simply military means alone there are other you know non non military means to use to engage these people appeal to their humanity that's basically what they're trying to achieve with this to let them know oh you know we're all humans and all of that to basically get into their psyche and integrate them back to society but the question is what impression really is this giving the Nigerian people if you're having situations where you know Nigerians who are just walking on the streets can just be shot at by a stray bullet and the person's you know bright future is just you know ends at that at that point and a terrorist who goes on to commit murder commits crimes that should be you know we know what the punishment for this crime should be but then you go on to say they are deradicalized they are no more longer terrorists they can now come back to society they can now aspire to be president of a country so it just still goes back to our conversation yesterday regarding lupusidedness and what this really tells of when it seems like one group in Nigeria has been favored over another because it seems that what is good for the goose is definitely not good for the gander but that really is the impression that Nigerian people are getting that when people from a certain area commits crimes that are so grave they can get away with it but when it comes to people from the other side you know they don't so what this means is that justice needs to be done justice needs to be seen to be done there has to be that principle of fairness and equity if you're going to be going after people who are cessationist agitators and you can prosecute them in the court of law people who are murderers who are bookworm insurgents should be prosecuted in the court of law justice should be seen to be done. So I'll just quickly mention you know I don't think you know the the truth is that the government you know cannot I think the government has failed you know because of the inadequacies because of corruption and because of other reasons that they know personally the government has chosen or chosen rather to allow this thing to continue for so long it cannot be because they cannot defeat terrorism in Nigeria they can and then second show me a deradicalized IPOB member show many of all these cessationists that have been you know founded by the by the government that you you know you want to deradicalize is there no you know program for deradicalization of secessionist members is there no program for deradicalization of ESN members there's absolutely none and so you know this this is why we are where we are it's it's it's sad I want I want Nigerians to think about the thousands of lives the thousands of people currently living in Nigeria the ones who have also run to other neighboring countries for safety the ones in ITP camps who lost their parents lost their family members lost brothers and sisters think about those thousands of people and tell those people that the people who committed these murders who wiped your family out who wiped out your whole community and your village have been deradicalized and received presidential condoms you know exactly can aspire to be president Nigeria really really it has to be a comedy skit oh man let's go to the next subtrending story this one I don't know what your reaction to it would be but it's about the war against you know cyber criminals we know how active the current CFC chairman is Abdul Rashid Bauer right and he's basically been talking tough and people say oh he's been speaking we need to see him act if this is one of the actions would find out soon enough but basically we know that a few days ago operatives of the economic and financial crimes commission EFCC raided a popular hotel in Lagos the Pahtonian hotel and what the news said was that these members of the EFCC went to the security you know section of the hotel they forced these operatum you know workers at the hotel to give them the master keys to certain rooms they went in there invaded their privacy some of them were even naked at the time of their invasion because this was around 4 a.m. in the morning and some of them pleaded to be let go because they were you know not putting on any clothes and it was early in the morning saying they were not even cyber criminals but these people refused and they arrested you know reportedly arrested 30 people from the hotel and we have a statement here from EFCC chairman Abdul Rashid Bauer and he's saying here that hoteliers who allow cyber criminals to lodge in the hotels risk being prosecuted and jailed for up to five years he went on to code sections of the EFCC saying that you know when hoteliers allow cyber criminals to lodge in their facility they're basically aiding and abetting cyber criminals criminals and that they're contravening section three of the advanced fee fraud and other related offenses act if they allow yahoo boys to check into their hotels so he's saying that basically that these hotels have become accomplices so lots of questions I have for this because we know that when you know you have to check into a hotel there are forms you have to feel and you can you know there's an option to put in your your um what's it called your occupation but it's not compulsory right and anyone can simply put a false information on there so how exactly would these hotels you know find out the occupation how would they verify would someone need to check in and they would need to call your employer what exactly would be the processes of verifying the authenticity of the occupation that someone has put in a form so all these bureaucracies really I really don't see how this would begin to play out I think this is just another example of you know people who had in agencies in Nigeria that you know haven't thought things through before they you know spoke them or before they put them out you know same thing we've seen sometimes with the Minister of Information sometimes with the Abu Bakr Malami it's just another example for some people it might be lyrus or others it just might be just another day in Nigeria I don't even want to get into talking about the abuse and complete abuse of the rights of Nigerians that continues to happen every day and that's why the EFCC thinks that they can storm into people's rooms at 4am and arrest them randomly break whatever protocol that exists in the hotel just because they feel like they need to arrest a few suspects they have forgotten completely the need for intelligence gathering the need to trail suspects you know and of course be 100% sure before you know any of these arrests are made they've gotten the you know use of you know an arrest warrant you know which almost doesn't exist in Nigeria there is that but Abdul Rashid Bahwa are you going to arrest pastors for allowing internet fraudsters donate money or are you going to arrest hospitals for treating internet fraudsters are you going to arrest market women for selling yam to internet fraudsters what exactly where where is this going to stop you know we at what point is it going to not be eating and abetting are you going to arrest you know uber riders for giving them for giving them rides are you going to arrest anybody that they come in contact with they're going to arrest clubs for selling drinks of them how do you know one internet fraudster is you know how you know how exactly how do you tell that this person is an internet fraudster and even if you suspect that they might be don't they need to at least go through the criminal justice system to be found guilty of internet fraud before they can be actually called internet fraudsters so it's just another day in Nigeria nothing shocking in any way but obviously I don't think this was you know thought through before you know the statements were made then it is really just let me show that I'm walking let me show that I'm active in this walk and we don't have systems that checkmate any of these people either we don't have a justice system a legal system that will be able to you know sue the FCC for whatever they did at Pahtonia Hotel so you know whatever you see in Nigeria you take it yesterday I still saw a black small black boss along at Mirauti arresting you know with police officers dressed like armed robbers with AK-47 rifles arresting some you know some young guy that drove past them I still saw that happen in Nigeria because we have we are living in a society that almost almost anything goes and we just move on Nigeria really I think a lot of Nigerians need therapy because of the things that we see every day that we've gotten to accept as normal we've got to see you know as you know this is normal this is just the regular you know the day-to-day activities of a Nigerian life but we need therapy because of the amount of of this that we see every day anyway we'll take a short break we're going to go through the newspapers now with Gilead Johnson who will be joining us after the short break for off the press stay with us