 Welcome to ToffeeTV driven for the summit by Vanna Rahmet. Loads happening bars in the last 48 hours now. It all kicked off on Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday night. I can't keep up, I'm trying to like... Tuesday night, obviously they said we'd had loads of rumours about Samala Dice and Wednesday was the D day. That was the day it was supposed to all happen. He was going to London and he was meeting up with Fadman Sherry. Tuesday night we get the announcement of the board restructure. Robert Elson out. John Woods out. Denise Barrett-Bachsendale professor. Denise Barrett-Bachsendale. Now the new chief executive. Keith Hallis, deputy. And Alexander Rajinoff. Say fast doesn't matter how you say. Say fast is also in the mix. And it just, you know, as soon as that happened it felt like, oof, it started, it started. Yeah, it's, you know, the whole restructure. We've been speaking about it for a few months now and we did the need for clarity every day. You know, we mentioned last week when the club went with the clubgander and then Robert Elson was leaving, dating and everything else. You know, we were all wondering if Fadman Sherry's waited till the end of the season. And then he came back and flew in on Tuesday from Monaco over every year. And got to work with it and it's good, it's good because it's, it looks like a clear structure now when you look at the makeup of the club. Obviously we knew, we knew Robert Elson was going. Denise professor, Denise Barrett-Bachsendale. Knows the club ever so only done fantastic work in the community. So that, I've seen people say it's a safe appointment, but you know, she's done well. She was the outstanding candidate from within the club, I believe. Yes, people will say, people will say, you know, why aren't we looking to the outside? Well maybe, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, maybe with, you know, the appointment of Keith Harris being on the board in the last year or so and now being given more responsibility, probably the stadium responsibility we'd think because he was involved with the building of Wembley. That he is maybe that outside man that we were all looking for maybe to take over as Chief Executive. Maybe and obviously, you know, I know you're going to get onto Marcel Brands in a bit, but it looks like Denise's role is very much on the business side. I think, yeah, there'll be some crossover into the playing side because there has to be. But in general, you know, it looks like, right, there's people who look accountable for things now or certainly responsible. Accountable for things the right way, but responsible for things which before and it was just the board or far out this year. He didn't actually know what he was doing, what the make-up of it was and now then looks like there's clear roles for people and that can only benefit the club. Yeah, because Robert Elton's gone on it. I don't feel sorry for him, but I think that he suffered from him having almost that too much responsibility over time. It felt like for years that it was like he was in charge of everything at the club. So it was all, you know, it was all his fault or, you know, him and Bill or whatever. So I think they've learned that, well, maybe business has just moved on. It's hard to say. He can give a clear, definite, you know, insight into the world of business when you just don't know. But it does feel like that his part of his job now being broken up. So there is, because I think football has moved on, hasn't it? It's gone from being, you know, doing these deals that at the time seem big. I think everything, everything in football for me has just got more detailed and detailed and refined and refined and refined. And you're dealing with such big things now. And obviously, every day to day, because of the stadium as well, it's almost like it's two different things now. It's a football club and they're trying to get a stadium built. It's so much happening at the same time. So I think it's important that those roles are being refined and you don't just have the one person you look to now. Definitely. You only have to look at some football clubs the way they're operated and what levels of commercial deals they get and different things like that. We still seem to be very much like a family club, which is great on one aspect of it. But when you're trying to compete with teams above you who are powerful, brands are really strong and things like that. It's difficult to jump into that. You know, the criticism, there's been criticism there because Robert Elstone built work so closely together. Frustration. The problem you've got is we've been held back by lack of funds for so long that people get angry and frustrated with the likes of Bill Kenney and Robert Elstone. And even some of the decent work they've done will get overlooked. Because this trophy drought is ridiculous for a club of everything size. And not sustain and think when you look at teams like Birmingham City, once Swansea, once trophies. Recently, you know, Evan and Owen are in that. That to me, you know, the frustration is there. But we've moved on from that. We have, the time has come, we've got a majority shareholder who's a very successful businessman and mixes with very successful business people. So he's got a clear structure of how it needs to be. I think he's tried it one way and everything we're getting, the bits of information we're now getting. He's tried it one way and he's decided now this ain't working and this is how it's going to be. Hence the new structure and let's hope that for once we've made good decisions, good choices and we can actually start to benefit. Because it has, over the last year, not on the playing side, off field stuff has improved. Sponsorship of USM Finch Farm and deals with the bank. Yeah, it seems to be going more in the right direction. Even if it is massive strides, I suppose you've got to take smaller strides. If you're trying to build out your brand. I think that going back to what you say about Elston, I think the big, you know, the likes of Elston, the big problem with him was or the club, I think at that time was, it was funny, I was talking about it before, and it's something that comes out of around at that time now is that, you know, we're getting this sort of, be careful what you wish for, sort of vibe thrown at us. And when you look at the, when you look at the book, you know, the history books and you look at where we've placed in the last 10, 15 years, we've been, you know, we've been the top six team or in top seven, whatever. But the problem is the differences now is that, and I think this is why people are like, we're watching, where do you expect to finish this? Any of the top six now can finish in the Champions League places. When we were in the top six, we managed it once and we never really pushed past that. Apart from obviously the scene under Martinis, we never really, we sometimes, you know, we finished fifth, but we never ever, we never, we were always on close. We were always a mile away from finishing fourth. With anyone in that top six can finish, so it's going to be tough to try and break into that. So I think that's a feeling of that time is now. It was like, we didn't build on it. We couldn't build on it. They all say that's not their fault, finances and all the rest of it. We didn't build on it. So I think that was one of the major frustrations that come out of that period. And it was also, and David Moyes was chief of this as well, was almost dumbing everything down a bit and going, well, we haven't got money, so we can't, you know. And that, people will say, well, that was just realism. But football isn't about being real. So you've got to dream and think big. And if you, if you start telling everybody that we're not a big club anymore, enough people start believing it. And that, that's a good point to go from for the situation on Wednesday morning. You know, we did all the rumours. We were expecting it. Some of the dicing up a quarter to ten is sacked by the club. No messing about, no mutual concern, no amical split. Sacked. Little, little, little statement from, from Professor Denise Barrabax and Dale to say, you know, thanks, but no thanks. We're moving in a different direction. We're looking to the future. And I think the response to some of the ISIS sacks in the media are all, well, say members of the media are all aghast, out there, you know, and all that. But I think, I think the, the ultimate thing comes from what you've just seen. We've lived, we've lived with that. We've lived with, you know, we don't want it. We don't want a day to try where his fans are now going. Why, why don't we day to try? You know, if the Iranian fellas got the, got the, the red easy claims he has. Why aren't we, you know, trying to push on? And I think fans are just not willing to sit there and suffer. You know, they want something fresh. And I think, you know, Sam had a nice going. Was it, was it a clear indication of that from the fans? Definitely. I mean, we've, we want to win something. You know, that's, that's the thing. But first and foremost, we want to enjoy watching our team play football. And we all want to get behind something that's getting built. You know, we wanted the BBI partners. He's seen that, that first season. We all, you know, some of us were cautious before he came and didn't really want him, but he quickly got on board and everything started snowbound. It looked really promising. And it, you know, it was built on sand because he didn't know how to defend. But we all wanted to be behind that. Then Kuman, Kuman was, was standoffish and things like that. And people didn't take to him really. And then nobody really wanted Sam Aladais, whether he needed to come in at that time or not. So we made up with the appointments. And he's obviously, you know, I think it was Andy Hunter that done a piece talking about, he made no effort at all to endear himself to ever something. And he didn't buy into it. You know, seeing Roger Bennett as well, from Men in Blazers saying he's never known and never managed to, to be so distant from the fans or anything. And that, that kind of thing created divide. So we want, I think a lot of people's realisation in about, probably a luck woman on the door, but certainly in about March when we were, we were safe, when we'd won at Stoke, we were safe. Yeah. Nothing changed. Two defensive midfielders, boring football. And everyone was like, well... Last game of the season, taking Stryker off. Taking Stryker off, Southampton their own, starting with two defensive midfielders. And again, it really didn't matter because we couldn't even get a seventh at that stage. It was done. So you're looking and going, this just ain't going to change. And fans are wanting to see progression. They want something to believe in. They want to see it and go, we've got a young, hungry attacker manager. We'll get behind him. It might be bumpy and it might be this, but if we're still moving forward, we'll be all over it. Whereas I think this year, despite, I think the problem with this season, the summer was so, so positive and so full of expectation and excitement that when it spiralled out of control by October, almost everyone's teams were on the floor. And then we could have picked it back up with a positive appointment. Couldn't get who they wanted then. And since then, people have been critical. See, this is the thing is in it as well, you know, something like this wasn't, it wasn't first choice. You know, Silver was first choice. We know that he wanted Silver in, he wanted him in earlier. And it just came that because of, you know, the time under David Underworth, then it felt like it had gone on too long and he had to make a change. And you know, you look at someone like Southampton and you see how late they made the change. You can understand why he wanted to get it done early and almost get that sorted. But by doing that, I think that's paved the way actually for the long-term future because I think what has actually happened off the pitch, but it looks like you can't obviously say it is, is that by getting, by being practically safe by March, well, we were actually safe in February, the Crystal Palace game really, technically. It's allowed Farhad Mishiri to go away and get his vision of what he wanted since then, without sort of letting anyone else in on the plan. I mean, I'm sure he has. He's got his, you know, the people on the board and that, but without sort of bringing Sam Aladdite into the conversation or Steve Walsh into the conversation or anyone on the football side of it, he seems to have been planning the long-term future of how he sees it since then because I think that's why, maybe that's why he did bring Sam Aladdite in to guarantee that safety by as early as possible, knowing that the season was a write-off anyway because as I say, we'd left it or gone for, you know, look at West Brom and we keep on getting told West Brom were hired and the Southampton were hired and there's when Aladdite came in, but they were still crap and they, you know, obviously Southampton waited and broke use and stayed in by, you know, Scruff, you know, Scruff of the Neck, so it took grit of teeth and West Brom brought someone in who was just shitting part of you, let's get it right. And that's allowed him to go, well, you know what, we've got March, we're safe, now we can sketch the plans, don't we? Then, and it looks like he has because I think anyone who queries with why he's brought Sam Aladdite in, I think look at the big picture, look what's happened though in the last 48 hours, look what's happened with changing the board. What he's effectively said there is this isn't Sam Aladdite. This is everything. I've got it wrong myself and I think Sam Aladdite will can take sort of half from that, that no one's putting the blame on him and that's why I think when you have these phonings and stuff and, you know, is media cronies like, oh, he's done a great job. Look at the bigger picture. It's not about Sam Aladdite. If I had my share, he's made the decision that affects Everton long-term. Sam Aladdite isn't in it for the long-term and he would he fit into what they want? Clearly no. By restructuring the board, looking for a younger manager and then with the appointment of Marcel Brands later on in the day, that shows you that he has got a wider picture and that's where the people in the media need to just have a look at that. For example, you just mentioned Andy Hunter. There's other journalists who have also seen the bigger picture. People who are closer to Everton. People who are just looking from the outside and going, oh, that's terrible on Sam. They've seen the bigger picture and I think that let's Sam off the hook because Sam for me wasn't on the hook because he did what it said on the can. Whether people like that or not, he did what he was brought in to do because he was so swift in his actions and he was by getting Big Sam being the meeting, the changed sandwich it's alright John put Bax and Dale in the sandwich in our video it shows that it's not just about him, it's a club thing and he's brought brands in as well which again, later on in the day brings brands in PSV kindly tweeted he was on his way and Everton put it out later on in the day but by being so swift in those three key elements I think it's put Everton on a completely different path and that's all for me far as I'm sure he wants it to do. Yeah, he he obviously looks like Marko Silver's the man he wants therefore the Sam Alladice thing was can we just get someone who will guarantee us that we're still going to be here because people will go we're never in danger but after Southampton we looked in danger whether we yet the players were good enough but at that time they were all over the place it really was just about sustaining sustaining the status quo and while he shot at everything else out he was a steady, safe pair of hands hasn't been great to watch we know that and he'll take things away like you didn't lose a leg to have to deliver pool and things like that things like you always had that second half against Matt City beat City 1-0 second half so he's got them for life the day and some of the way through 1-1 didn't miss a second half so he's got these but now in all series he doesn't worry what he needed to do for Farad Miss Sherry not so much for Sam Alladice I think he thought he was getting longer and wanted longer because I think he thought now from his perspective what I was going to say was it just tells me that he wasn't in the picture do you know what I mean like he Farad Miss Sherry has don't forget again something the media have completely not looked at Steve Walsh got the sack yesterday as well this is not all about Sam Alladice the media want to make it all about Sam Alladice it's not Steve Walsh got the sack as well yesterday he's out the door again thanks bye see you later he's out the door so in the space of 40 hours Everton have completely restructured the top end of the club completely that's huge massive we sat here on Tuesday and did a video for Patreon who's the most important appointment and we were sitting here talking about they've got to do this and they've got to do that the next day they've done it all they've all been done in the next day do you think they watched that on Tuesday I think Farad Miss Sherry I'll have to check some of the news they did it the next day and I think that's what's getting missed here by all these people Everton have just changed the top end this is going to be amazing they don't want to fall into that trap but it's huge and that is they've completely changed the way they want to go forward you mentioned silver there let's just stick on brands for a minute stick on brands brands has come in and you've got people who are excited and maybe you've got people who are excited but they don't know why they're excited they don't know it's boss though which we've been guilty of in the past but this is the one this is the fella he wanted this is the fella he's identified he was saying to me he wanted him before he got Walsh in so why do you think he's so key I think because of the way he sees the club Miss Sherry I think he wants someone who will run the whole football side of it at the very top end he's experienced but with the track record wanted Monty he was the best in the world at that time and Seville wouldn't let him go and brands was the next one and he didn't want to go which is fair enough for me and Doby Walsh he's had his eye on him for two years almost the best part of two years he's done extensive research on him apparently there's track records there like a PS5 one in the league again he's got a great history of it brings players through some of the players and he's a Dembele people like that sold on Wynaldum at Liverpool and kind of players that he's brought through to East Martins as well so he's got the pie he had as well a good track record loves promoting youth players into the first team and seeing that pathway he sets up those pathways as well he's a good negotiator I believe he identifies things and an ethos for the way the team will play everything we've spoke about in terms of what we'd like and what other people have said and what they'd like he kind of speaks about it he's demonstrated that in the past so I think that's key for us because he did it on his own self and he said he've had too many managers and changed too many players for it to have worked for them in a way which to me means building something I think as well people are not all sure about this about the technical director or the director of football or whatever you want to call it but I think with the way the restructure is worked what he's done as well by the looks of it is that they've restructured to give him more room to do his job people on the board are going to have responsibilities you know then he's brought it back to the day the day running Keith Harris to turn to sort of stadium the Russian fella to do all commercial stuff and get the money into the club and then you've got it's almost like it's the top but it's a line and then on that side that side you've got brands and I think then there's a hierarchy then on that side so there's a football side and there's the football, you know, the other side of it and I think with brands I think that I think the way to look at it is is that in your opinion it's not as big here you do have a lot of clubs like this, Bayern Munich do this Man City have started to do this and if you're going to look at the world's best managers and say well Pep Guardiola Manino or whatever if you're going to look at that side of it he is up there isn't he's up there as you've mentioned Monti would be the best he's up there as one of those bests and we've gone out and got him which is potentially you know fantastic I mean if it works but what you've got to remember is when we brought that system in we didn't go out and look for the best we didn't even go out and look for someone who'd done it well we tried to get it we tried to but we ended up with it effectively bringing in somebody who hadn't done the job before and said go and do that job so we didn't go out and try and get the best we did try and get the best but we ended up with someone who was like I'm not first so it's like you've gone out for the manager and once a Pep Guardiola you couldn't get him and you've said to Duncan Ferguson would you want to be the manager then you know I know you're a coach and you might be an okay coach or whatever or even David Undriff we know you're a manager you're not a Premier League manager but you're fancy having to go and doing that and that's what it almost feels like with Steve Walsh and it's almost like well I can do the or even like well I can do that job but yeah but if you want to do this you need to do that and that and when it was all pushed together he couldn't do it it's not his job but it's this fella this is his job this is what he does he's been doing it since 2005 you know I had a couple of different clubs that's what's key the fact that he's done it before that's what the difference is you know Steve Walsh coming in like you said his role was totally different at least that he was like chief scout and part of the coaching staff so he was on the training ground with the players you know he was part of that year he's back doing with Shakespeare coming here he wasn't on the training you know he'd be there time to time but his job was different and he wasn't didn't have experience so therefore processes that you're setting up that you need to be in charge of to have a full grasp of negotiating skills and stuff like that he hadn't done any of that contacts as well various other things that go on in that role he didn't have a handle on which isn't great relationship with Ronald Coombs wasn't very good I think as Coombs already said many times he didn't have the greatest relationship so you know that's what that is so this time we have got one of the best so hopefully he's going to come in and establish that side of the club so everyone's clear so the manager Marco Silva can get on with doing what he does but have a decent relationship with the director of football and the other thing is what we've said before if we can get a way of playing and players that fit that system if Marco Silva either gets poached or isn't good enough the likes of Marcel Brands will already be identifying similar managers you can come in and take over these players because the problem I think sometimes with football clubs now with the money and stuff it wasn't such a thing years ago but now the money you spend on players and different types of players the reason some clubs have real issues is they bring different coaches when Liverpool brought Jürgen Klopp Jürgen Klopp was like a highly rated European coach he came into Liverpool with Brendan Rodgers players and it was alright, they finished it because fans would be finished but he went and got people who complemented his system and he got them to fourth because he's a good coach and because he improved them and he worked them out then in the summer he went and got more they complemented so now that's why they're in the Champions League final they qualify for the Champions League again next season because it took him time to mould his team with I think the likes of Cuban went wrong he just got players who were good and I'm Welsh the pair of them no idea how everyone was fitting together and that's why I think the philosophy side of it Marcel Brand has got big input into that and trying to shape everything going forward because that should provide continuity as we move forward really that's what it should be it should be all pulling in the same direction it was like you go back to the Man City where they got the people in the back a year or so before Pep Guardiola coming they'd structured that club so that when Pep Guardiola came in it was all ready for him, how he worked because they were all his people he'd had a Barcelona anyway so all those people had already been guarded in that direction so that when he walked through the door it was all set up for them now obviously we're not going to go and get a Pep Guardiola it might be Marco Silva but at least if it is Marco Silva you know at least if it is I'm hoping if it is Marco Silva that it's always been Marco Silva do you know what I mean? because if it has been Marco Silva since day one then Marco Silva would have been to look at us and even maybe spoken to brands or Macheri or whatever and got started to get to work basically that's basically what I'm telling you started to get to work started to get to work started to look at what he's come into who are the players he's going to come into who's he going to be working with what is the structure of the club what is if it has been Silva I know they've said that then he's brought it back now and we're going to have to after a while that's just going to be the backs they some brands are supposed to be going away the manager situation the next 10 days to 2 weeks even though their jobs don't start on the 1st of June by the way but if it is Silva then I'd rather it's always been Silva because that way we've got a head start then on potentially one of the, I mean this is why it's so key we've got these things out the way anyway on one of the fastest turnovers transfer window opens today you know so it's important that we're ready to go so I'm just hoping that I'm buoyed by the fact that brands have walked in it's like yeah I've had this job for about 2 months or 3 months and I've already had a little look around and I already know where we want to go and I've already got a picture in my head and I already know the players I want and the manager who comes in you know without saying any names he'll go, he will be selected based on where I see the club going and I think that's really important because I think in the past we've all we've got this we've had for years the manager's the most important man at the club and loads of people still think he is but football's changed like we've said on sports has changed as a whole there's so much money involved but if the hierarchy's there so we don't have that well who bought him it's not a bad place Steve Walsh bought him and they will go play us you know or depending on what you've outlook on the whole thing it does seem like it'll be like well brands has the vision the manager who he selects his job is to realise that vision and between them the players and they all that as well will be selected to to do that that's what you hope you know we've seen links already with Justin Clivehead you know who Raiola is so if we can start getting people like that in through the door because of Raiola and because of brands then he's a hot property in Europe you know and that should help with so fingers crossed that it all runs smoothly yeah listen it seems complicated it seems it seems a million miles from where football used to be but I think actually this system would be less complicated than it was before because I think the most important word here is hierarchy I think it's so key do you disagree with that no for me I think it's so key but that the people within the club know their bosses but I think it's so important to us as well that we know and this is why I've said for ages why we've said for ages why brands appointment was so key because it was about it was about he's now in charge of creating the vision where I never for one minute thought Steve Vulture's job was he was just like well I'll buy the players and I'll go and get the players that you want and that's just under Kuman and him that just seemed to cause more problems than it solved whereas I think with this that I think the key thing was when they said brands underneath Bacchanel Bacchanel we'll select the manager I think that was the most key thing because when the manager walks into I don't think they have a normal interview process but when they walk into a room and the first person they meet is not so a brand and the technical director I'm in charge I'm your boss I'm your boss whereas I don't ever think I didn't think under Walsh Walsh wasn't Kuman's boss exactly so I think that's where that relationship's got to come from and I think that because if you're if you're a manager at a lot of clubs and it works at clubs of course it does but I just mean say it was the current structure you wouldn't see Farah Masheri so for you Farah Masheri the man who employs you the biggest owner and all that but you wouldn't see him every now and again whereas with Marcel Brands he's going to be based at Finch Farm so you're going to see around most day unless he's off doing stuff but he's a visible presence within the training complex the training ground running that whole thing it's very visible and I think that's important the equivalent I would say it's not really an equivalent but you know when someone's making a film or a TV programme and you have the Bayer Ekte who is, it is vision on the pitch or on the screen it's his boss and the producer can just be like this isn't going the way that we've got to sell this film I've got to get bums on the seats your vision is that's you but I know this isn't going to make any money and I think that's where it's that kind of relationship and I think that's got to be there that hierarchy's got to be there and I just think the whole thing the way it's being almost but there's a split not, there's a split and you've got the nice part of Baxnail is Top Dog on that side and Marshall Brands is Top Dog on that side you know football business even though he's the football business guy as well but you know what I mean yeah that's all it seems to make sense now obviously the proof will be in the pudding but it's good that whereas before I don't think it made I don't think the structure was in place for it to work because I just think there was too many people standing on each other's toes by the looks of it by the looks of it because you still had as well don't forget you had you had and this is, you know what it's funny because it's indicative of the team as well the team has people from Moises area who played for Martiners and the boardroom was a bit like that, it still had Bill's chief executive it still had John Woods it still had probably Bill making big decisions now it's more macherish people which makes more sense there's still parts of it and Bill's still still there for the meantime just you know like a force ghost, Obi-Wan giving the advice out but it seems now that it's macherish men and that's that's the vision now I can only be a gutting it's him getting the proper hold of the club which is what we want because I think sometimes the season people have questioned them and gone we've questioned them what's happening here because he's put a lot of money in is that it but it isn't he's brandy more of a massive thing but what I mean is it's equally important for the play inside and we have looked this season and gone where's this going, he's just going to go all the time stay in charge for a bit, just keep us afloat but it isn't he's looked at it and gone nah I want to build something this has come here to be successful didn't come here to just own a football club it's and we've said this on the flip side it's the same solution to long-term problems whereas Sam was a short-term solution for long-term problems so hopefully now people will know when they come back whether they've got futures or not the likes of Adam or the Luchman will come in come back and it might be completely different you think he'd play the young players would like to think you'd like to think so you'd like to think all the other young players will come back and obviously some players will be able to door but at least don't know now I think the vision will be there to just say thanks but no this is where we're going and we don't want you to know and we can buy into that then as fans yeah because that's all we want because if you look and go this is our manager now if it's Marko Silver he's 40 he's a young manager he's actually Marko over him but it's up to him to dispel those fears for us it's up to us to back him it's up to him to dispel any fears we've got by by portraying it on the pitch and by doing that if he turned round and meant him and him don't shoot the way I play we just have to go right but he's got an idea in his head but the most important thing is for that if it is Silver and people got issues with that silver the proof would be in the pudding for me but I'm not overly convinced because he's got things as well the only person I'd be convinced by is Pep Guardiola everyone is every manager is a risk just because you're greater at one club doesn't mean you're greater at another club the fact is you need a little bit of good fortune you need different things the choices we've got I love Emery but Emery's not without his problems and he can't speak English he can be quite divisive I think some people don't like him like you said, Fonseca people are all over him can he do it in England? you wouldn't know and you know there's issues there you look at dice and you go he's a safe pair of hands but he's really excited he's asked he needs top level players do you know what I'm saying the most important thing is that who ever comes in comes in to a club now that is stable and knows where it's going and knows where it's going and gives the man who comes in all the necessary tools to do his job that would be honestly the only people that really matter it's Machiere and Brant and if they've made if it's matter no you're right because you know what we shouldn't even know the names of those three other people really do you know what I mean we shouldn't really know Denise Barrabasna is like a figurehead and she'll have a name on all the statements but we shouldn't really know who those people are they run the shop do you know what I mean you're right they shouldn't be important in terms of football because the football side should be important but it's all important I just mean Brant and Machiere are the most important and if Macho Silver's been identified a while ago and they've looked at it and gone you know when he's made he says it's definitely not some other place you know Marcel Brant is like nah you know when it's Silver like you said they know what kind of manager Silver is he might have spoke to brands and brands might be like this what I want to do and he's like that's what I want to do that's fine because that means you're getting that unity whereas Coombs in and then Walsh came in Walsh might have looked at Coombs and gone I wouldn't have employed you you know I don't actually think you're very good you know whether Walsh was qualified to do it or not just because he was put together doesn't mean if he would have had any influence in the decision he would have said Ronald Coombs the one I go for he might have looked and gone and he didn't have a style of Southampton he didn't do this but the flip side of that is Coombs would have looked at him you can't do this I don't mind he knew the job he was doing he might have looked at him and gone you know you can't get the players I am asking you for because that's the other side of it isn't it if you've got someone who's supposed to be your boss and you go you can't do that job you're not good enough to do that job that makes me look bad when I do my job that's gonna and we got that quite early on with the Snyder and we had it obviously with the Jiru thing as well and the Belford here was it Belford here was the other one but it was like Walsh was like no I have him and he was like I don't want him crap with that as well and that's where brands you go this fella knows the job he knows it doesn't he's not gonna doubt him because he's done it so if he goes we do it this way he's not gonna go why are you doing it that way because he'll just go because that's how I do it and that's how it's done job is done like this people aren't gonna go you know what it's better doing it this way with the might have said to Walsh and Walsh might have gone oh okay we don't know obviously the speculating but all you can do is get people in the shop before that's it I'm a good at it and a good at it because that's why you've gone for them so listen Mishir he's not gonna want to keep or us or whatever it is he's not gonna want to keep spunking money up the wall without saying anything well he's not is he he's gone and got Walsh he's paid enough to he's called them but that's bloody spare change if you get it right if you get it right and get a vision going and it starts to work well spent because you've tried and it hasn't really worked so it's been moving again we move against Tottenham took a wild man city took a wild to get it right and then he got it right in a big way but still took them all you know they went through a couple of managers before they were happy with you know Pellegrini and then they still been happy with him and they wanted pet that's why he stayed so long so it might take a little bit of time but as long as we're moving forward as long as there's a vision and as long you can follow the break runs which I don't think there was any then you'll feel like we're moving forward that's all we want as fans then we'll buy into it which creates a stronger evidence definitely definitely so yeah it's been a crazy crazy last few days busy busy busy let us know your thoughts in the comments on the restructuring of the board Sam Alibis getting sacked massive brands being appointed and what it all means and where we're going and who do you want for the manager let us know your thoughts in the comments thanks for watching ToffyTV we'll see you later