 You for attending tonight's meeting. I will call the 11th regular meeting of the common council to order So would you please call the roll? Bowman D. Berg E. Berg Serta Davis Graff Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron and Vander wheel 16 present Quorum is present Approval of the minutes all of them graph. Thank you your honor I would move that we dispense with the reading of the previous minutes of the common council on the same stand approved is entered on the record There's a motion in a second to approve the minutes. Is there any discussion? There being on all those in favor, please state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries Pledge of Allegiance is next I'd ask that all of them and Radke please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you all the monarchy Resignations attorney McLean Thank You your honor. There's a letter from the fire chief Mark Zyer to the mayor dated August 17th Advising that the effect of December 31, 2005 at 5 p.m Chief Zyer be retiring from the city in point I'd ask for a motion to accept and file Emotions there a second Motion the second to accept and file discussion Not all those in favor state aye. Any opposed motion carries Confirmation of mayor's appointments Attorney McLean These are both dated August 15th that hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Cleo messener to be considered for appointment to the Historic Preservation Commission To fill the member position of Gene Davis Cleo messener's term will expire on 4 30 0 8 It also like to request the removal of Alderman Montemire from the strategic fiscal planning committee So as to abide by resolution number 19-04 or 5 which deleted the chairman of the committee of the whole as a member signed by the mayor That's for a motion to confirm There's a motion in the second under discussion Not all those in favor. Please state aye. Any opposed motion carries and the next one is a Chuck Butler to be considered for appointment to the coalition ambulance quality assurance committee to fill the unexpired term of Steve Shufner This term expires for 30 0 6 signed by the mayor Thank you attorney McLean. I'd ask for a motion to confirm There's a motion a second to confirm under discussion There be a non all those in favor state aye Any opposed motion carries Thank you attorney McLean Public forum city clerk Richards. Yes first on the list would be Eric Edson Mr. Edson and Eric, could you give me your home address, please? 3612 Rosewood court Cheboyan You will have five minutes. Thank you I'd like to begin my comments by stating that I don't enjoy coming before this body and publicly expressing the frustrations of our membership But as president of our association Representing the police officers in this city that is just what our membership has asked me to do Many of us including myself are very disappointed with the increased adversarial relations that we perceive between the police department and A certain factions of this council. I am referring to decisions involving the new police station municipal court Police staffing acquiring tasers and suggesting the privatization of duties currently performed by sworn police officers Many of these decisions have been predicated on campaign pledges of restoring fiscal responsibility to local government and as many police department Employees are also city taxpayers. We appreciate the efforts to limit frivolous spending We acknowledge that local governments are struggling with issues of shared revenue and increasing costs But these problems should not be used as an excuse to shortchange citizens when it comes to public safety Nor should they result in penalizing our employees when it comes to safe working conditions The decision of the capital improvements committee to recommend postponing building the new police station does just that This new police station is at least 20 to 25 years overdue Our current building is inadequate to perform 21st century policing and in many ways is unsafe for both employees and citizens Let me say that again. This building is unsafe None of you employed in the private sector would tolerate having to work in such a deficient building That is why this building Must be the building the new police station must be the council's highest priority This never-ending saga of building this police station has reached the absurd I ask your honor the mayor to fulfill Fulfill your pledge to see this project through completion and to use your influence to lead this council to that end The next issue I wish to touch on relates to our staffing I think it's important for the council and the public to understand that the reference to the police department having 113 employees does not actually equate to police officers In reality after subtracting clerical and support staff supervisors and detectives and Those presently assigned to special assignments. There are currently 49 total police officers actually patrolling districts handling calls for service on a daily basis Four of those 49 officers are new hires currently in the field training stage riding with a field training officer That leaves essentially 45 officers to cover three shifts 24 hours a day 365 days a year Simply put these staffing levels are not adequate to deal with the issues confronting the city Which brings me to my last point? The mayor has publicly stated that if the city unions win arbitration awards department city-wide should expect layoffs Those comments are not fair to our employees Laying off employees is a political decision and should not be used to influence a labor organization statutory right to bargain and to pursue arbitration if the negotiation process breaks down Our membership was not responsible for the city only budgeting for one and a half percent wage increases Yet we have offered to split our wage offer for 2005 Resulting in a one and a half percent net increase for the calendar year Coincidentally, I have also been told that not only was $415,000 budgeted in 2005 for general and salary contingency adjustments But as of 12 3104 there was also approximately one and a half million dollars in unreserves that could possibly be used to avoid layoffs During negotiations. We have also offered other concessions including paying more for health insurance But all of these compromises were rebuffed We have been without a contract since the end of last year This is the first time that our association has been forced to pursue arbitration Many in our membership are of the opinion that the city has not bargained in good faith and does not have the best interest of the taxpayer Or the employee in mind. I challenge the city and this body to work with the employees Not against us in a manner or to provide the best level of service to our community in a manner that is both Reasonable to the employee and responsible to the taxpayer. Thank you Next on the list would be dimple Adams Dimple, could I have your home address, please? 1424 Virginia Avenue Thank You Susan and Thank You counsel and thank you mayor For allowing me to speak tonight. I Brought with me a copy of my tax bill Which is upside down but In my tax bill, I Just went over some things today First of all with the school portion. It's thirty five point eight percent the Municipality portion is thirty three point five percent and the county portion is twenty two point five percent and the state is point seventy three percent and The rest of it is a combination of like seven percent Okay So that brings me to all the citizen input sessions and budget sessions that have been going on this summer and I frankly Don't know where they're going with that because I remember attending a meeting on July 20th There was a citizen input meeting About the police stations like site location and I had two questions Neither of them have been answered yet The first question was What could be done at 23rd Street for shared services that could not be done anywhere else No one has ever gotten back and told me that and I thought to myself It must be written down somewhere Because we all have certainly heard it and read it a hundred thousand times and the second thing is The cost of the parking lot that we're bartering with the 23rd Street site location and no one ever got back to me on that Well, I called mr. McDonald the other day and I did get That it cost about four hundred eighty something thousand dollars over a period of a few years to build that parking lot So I do have that figure, but it's because I made the call and no one got back to me So I'm wondering what all these sessions are doing if no one is getting back to anybody with answers Okay, the second thing that I see going on here is Everything is getting undone The first thing that got undone on May 9th with speedy Was was the rescinding of them shared and parked thing and I know you people are tired of me saying that But I don't care that you're tired of it Okay The second thing that has been undone Are you're trying to undo is the municipal court vote? Which I think is a bad idea The third thing that you've undone what you did in speedy record time is the chamber Policy that we had going for 20-something years right when they were gonna build a new building That was going to be easily accessed to which I think is a bad idea for the city It's going to create a new department and Now you're wanting to take away the fire station that we okay to build way on the south side and that's really a matter of public protection and safety and now You want to hold off building the police station for two more years? What is the matter with you people? I don't understand this and I am one angry taxpayer Tonight you see all of these people out here in the gallery and They are our lifeline. We are so fortunate to live in a beautiful place like the city of Chevoi again Right. I mean look at what's going on in the news. I mean how sad it is on the Gulf Coast and here We are bickering over where to build a police station You know you build it centrally Like the chief has asked over and over and over again our neighborhood Which I live one half of block for Sheridan Park. We're begging you to build it there The neighborhood over on 23rd Street is saying please don't build it here. You don't listen to us What's it going to take? I am begging this council to put up Our shut up. Thank you Okay, next on the list is John Burner John John, could I have your home address, please? 1919 Broadway. We'll have five minutes sir. Okay. Thank you. Good evening mayor, common council members Well, I don't know if I can be as forceful as the last two I've been watching the common council meeting at home and I hear a lot of about fiscal spending fiscal spending And then I was looking at my tax bills from 1999 All the way up until last year But people fail to realize we pay school tax county tax And the tax of the city And that's all on our tax roll School seems to get what they want and the thing that bothers me is there was somebody last year that said that They put their three things on a referendum but How many other construction was being done to the schools in Shaboy and I think maybe one school was missed but major construction I Have no no qualms about it But the gymnasium's could have held off I believe in schools and I believe in keeping them up and I remember the press having an article with What was it cheerleaders bags laying in a hallway, what about our police? Where did they keep their stuff? Huh? You're from the press. Tell me you didn't take any pictures down there Go look out there place. They got to operate And they do that seven days a week 365 days a year Municipal court everybody's going to a municipal court except Shaboy and we will someday probably We're all last on the list We heard people are you about the room tax? Nobody ever says anything about skipper bud running the marina He's been doing that for how many years in the city's been paying him. I the Shared services you got a library on the north side a library on the south side you got one in the middle of the city there are the communities that are taking their main library and combining them with the school libraries Savings of money instead having one here one here one here with the high school libraries and making them accessible To the public the high school Everybody says now 23rd Street is number one site 23rd Street was never in a number one strike site It was shared in part the people and I know all the new common council members have Gone after I'll say the older common council members, but they did give on this 14th Street But they gave so the city would look for something Inside the city as a police station and It seems seems like all the old sites just came back up. We spent more money on a site on another study people I Hear this on the radio. Oh, we got to get rid of these old members. I'll tell you what you learn stuff from old members They're not always right, but I'll tell you what they're right or they're more right than some of the young members And they do their book work and I've been watching these common council meetings not once But I'll watch them two three times and I watched the younger common council members. I Believe there's sometimes they don't even do background. It's just that automatic We either vote for this or we don't vote for it. You got to do background. We're entrusting You people to run the city these meetings we have for input they're fine. They should have input But it comes up to the mayor and the common council You run the city and you run it according to priorities priorities are police fire and Write down the line. That's all I got to say. Thank you. Thank you, John Next we have a brief comments from city clerk Susan Richards Thank you, mayor. Excuse me. This is not on the agenda, but I've allowed our city clerk to comment Thank you mayor. Actually, I was going to ask something of the older persons tonight But in fact, I'm going to thank you instead I found in the last month that with the increase in documents that we've been getting in we're averaging over a hundred documents every two weeks and Finding it challenging for all of you to get signatures done before we start at seven o'clock So I was going to suggest that perhaps you could be here at quarter to seven and you all are here at 630 tonight So I'm thrilled. So that was my comment is it's going to be a little bit harder on all of you to get your documents signed So if you could maybe do like you did tonight and be here at least by quarter to seven I would appreciate it. That's all I had so thank you Thank you Susan Next we have certificates of recognition for officer Milani Schmidt firefighter Gary Kohlberg and Andrew Kahalaf Kahalaf I'd ask that all three if there are present to please step up Okay, the first recognition will be Presented to officer Milani Smith and I'd just like to read from the police incident report This will give you this will give you an idea of What what happened? She was asked to she was dispatched dispatched to an incident and Dispatch advised that they received a call from 911 Call from mother Hubbard's indicating that the owner had collapsed and he was not breathing She was advised by dispatch that CPR was being done upon her arrival She did make contact in the bar with the victim Michael J Hubbard Mr. Hubbard was lying on his back and it was obvious that he was not breathing. She did get her AED in place the patches in the correct position after the AED was analyzing I she did she did administer one shock at the prompt Doesn't sound like much to the average citizen, but officer melon Milani Schmidt saved the life and this is so critically important officer Smith We are proud to have you on the force This certificate of recognition is presented to officer Milani Smith in recognition of saving the life of a citizen on June 30 205 by successfully performing automatic external defibrillation. I command your efforts and issue this certificate Certificate and affix my seal and signature upon it the next certificate of recognition goes to Mr. Andrew Kehalov Kehalov Caleb, okay Please forgive me. He is the one that performed CPR on Michael Hubbard and I again had it not been for Mr. Kehalov Kehalov Mr. Hubbard may not be alive today, and this is a kind of action that we truly Whole remarkable and we appreciate from average citizens in our community. Thank you very much, sir And this certificate of appreciation Presented to mr. Andrew Kehalov in recognition of helping to save the life of a citizen on June 30th 205 by performing coronary pulmonary Resuscitation I commend your efforts and issue this certificate and affix my seal and signature upon it. Thank you, sir the next recognition goes to one of our firefighters and Here again to a lot of people what he did may not mean a lot because this happened in a foreign country But it does mean a lot. It means a lot to us. It means a lot to your colleagues It means a lot to this administration But it meant a tremendous amount of a lot to the parents of the girl that he helped rescue And I'd like to read some excerpts from the letter that was sent to my office Actually to chief Zire's office and for and copied to me and I'll read just a little parts of it Gary came to a rescue in a situation that was terrifying to us our 60-year-old daughter Whitney fell 14 to 15 feet from a window ledge Landing on her back in a patch of wild vegetation Insect ridden dirt and even rocks Gary vacationing in the nearby pool heard the cries and immediately vaulted the fence to jump into this area and told us he was an EMT Asking if he could be of help His quick clear thinking assess witness condition then this gentle comforting voice began to reassure Not only this hurting and terrified child, but are equally terrified parents He stayed with us more than an hour Through the remainder of our stay in the resort every time we saw the Colbergs Gary inquire about witness health and well-being This is a gentleman a Firefighter that truly cares about human beings truly cares about people and we are proud to have you as part of our force sir And again the certificate of recognition presented to the lead firefighter Gary Colberg in recognition of rescuing a six-year-old child Who had fallen from a window ledge at a resort in playa del Carmen, Mexico your prompt assessment of the child's condition and reassurance to her family Well, you were on vacation is a testament of your commitment to your profession I commend your efforts and issue the certificate and affix my seal and signature upon it once again. Thank you, sir and a special thanks and congratulations to both chief sire and chief Kirk For their role to and training Next we have mayor the mayor's report and finance directors report regarding the 206 budget We're hoping to move pretty quickly through this if any alderman have any questions You're absolutely Entitled to ask if you'd like to write your questions You can always direct those questions to either myself or a mr. Gebhardt But what we're going to do is go and I believe each of you have a copy of it. Does any is there anyone that does not any alderman? Okay, what we're going to do is go through the 206 general fund revenues that we're anticipating The expenditures that we're anticipating We'll talk a little bit about the 207 Fund revenues that we can expect and the 207 expenditures that we can anticipate Mr. Gephardt would also talk a little about about the 206 207 library fund and transit fund levies a little bit about the 206 debt service fund expenditures and the tax levy a little bit about the 207 also and then the estimated tax levy increase for the 206 budget and we're doing this as a subsequent as a as a follow-up to a meeting that I had in the office with mr. Gebhardt myself and To alderman at a time to try to give the alderman an idea of what we face with this 206 budget And what we actually face with the 207 budget a lot of the activity is going to occur with the 206 budget We can almost trace to the 207 budget things aren't going to get any better in 07 That's all we're trying to do just give you an idea where we're at and again If you have any questions you can feel free to ask mr. Gebhardt has asked that you write those questions down and ask them towards the end so that we can keep this presentation moving Smoothly and then if you don't have want to ask questions tonight You can always direct those questions to me or mr. Gebhardt tomorrow or any other day. Thank you mr. Thank you, ma'am. Excuse me Good evening On the 2006 general fund revenue estimates the state of Wisconsin has placed a three point three percent limit on The increase in the tax levy for the operating funds which includes the general fund the library fund and the transit fund If the tax levy for each of these funds increases three point three percent the tax levy for the general fund would increase four hundred and forty eight thousand With the state shared revenues frozen at the previous level the other general fund revenues are estimated to increase 192,000 mainly from the increase in the estimate for interest earnings The total increase in the estimate for two thousand six general fund revenues then is six hundred and forty thousand So this is the maximum that we're looking at right now for the general fund to be able to increase on The two thousand and six general fund expenditures the departmental request for appropriations for 2006 budget total thirty six point six million which is an increase of two point six million or seven point eight percent The request to include eight hundred and eighteen thousand dollars for capital outlay for various equipment including squad cars Funding of three hundred thousand is available from the cable fund for two thousand and six that would be transferred to the general fund for this purpose Therefore the request for the equipment would have to be reduced by over a half million dollars The wage increases based on the city's offer of the benefit Benefits based on two thousand and six rates for health increases or pension increases And other increases relating to the cost of energy and various expenditures are estimated to increase one point two million dollars The funding that would be available would be three hundred and forty thousand that the city can designate for a salary trust contingency that would be available for the City's offer in reference to the wage increase The cost of potential arbitration awards for the general fund is estimated at five hundred and sixty three thousand There would be additional on top of what we just referred to Total adjustments that would be required to match the appropriations that have been requested to the available funding are just under two million dollars After this amount of adjustments would be attained the general fund budget would be increased about one The increase in the general fund budget be about one point nine percent just under under two percent. I Will now return the presentation to the mayor who will adjust the 2007 revenues and expenditure projections. Thank you, Mr. Gabbard Some of this language can get a little technical a little strange So if you would like for Mr. Gabbard on myself to put in plain language Please let us know. I think I think most of you all of you understand The 207 general revenues that we can be looking at as I said pretty much mirror What we're looking at what we're looking at this year The state of Wisconsin restraints on the levy were expected to be at a two point two percent In this case, it's going to give us about two two hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars four hundred eighty eight four hundred eighty nine For the two oh seven budget That's going to be considerably less than we're expecting now at the point at the three point three three nine percent Which would give us a little bit under half a million or right about the half a million Amount so we can expect that amount to be less next year Compound that lack of revenue with the vehicle registration fee, which is commonly called a wheel tax That is scheduled for elimination It's scheduled to phase out in 207 and that will translate to a two hundred and ten thousand Decrease in our general revenue fund now. It's at some point We have to make up that deficit some from somewhere else There's only so much money to go around so we're going to have to shift it from somewhere else to cover the cost that that particular account has been Pain for we can also expect shared revenues to continue to remain frozen for 207 for the last two years The state has told us it's not they're not going to give us any more revenue sharing But they're not going to give us any less So we plan accordingly they've told us that for the next two years oh six and oh seven So we have to plan accordingly also we can expect The shared revenue to remain pretty flat for the 207 The 207 expenditures Are going to be a little heftier for us because as we see our revenues staying at one level not really going up Our expenditures keep going up automatically every year. We have certain things that occur automatically energy costs. We have wages and salary Insurance premiums all these things go up automatically Whether our revenues go up or not so we can expect that the expenditures that went up this year without the revenue going up We're going to go up again next year. Those are the adjustments that we're going to have to be making as the Throughout the departments the additional operating costs will be incurred from the new building projects for their Utility and the maintenance costs. That's how we're going to have to work that in We have a little no revenue growth in 207 Any cost increase as I said it's going to come from somewhere and this is where I'm going to rely on department heads and hopefully The union representatives to help us sort through this problem It's very important that I that I make very clear Nobody's trying to sabotage any department. Nobody's trying to sabotage any union. I Believe in the things that are being proposed the the fire station needs to be built the fire The police station needs to be built that the municipal court we could use at some point All I'm trying to do is find the money to pay for it. It's all I'm trying to do That's my job at some point in time some people may not like me for that But that's the price I have to pay for being mayor and I will continue to do that for the better for the better Government of the entire community and in the city at this point. I will pass it on back to mr. Gephardt Alam agaroff. Thank you, your honor one thing that you did miss under the 2007 general fund revenues is the cable franchise feed in 2007 which is a very important aspect if the The feds do what they're talking about right there. Thank you. Oh my graph just there is federal Legislation pending right now that may do away with our cable franchise fees if that should occur that translates to about 400 $410,000 About 300 of those thousand dollars are used for capital outlay Now people would ask was that mean that means that we're that's the money we've been using for squad cars So if we lose that because of the federal legislation that they eliminate that cable franchise fees again That's revenue that we had coming in we lose it It's got to be made up from somewhere and as I've indicated we don't have a lot of sources to go to get more revenue from Thank you all in the graph Mr. Gephardt. Thank you, mayor in 2006 the tax levy for the library fund under the restraints would be about $84,000 and For the transit fund we have 21,000 I'm in two 2007 as the mayor referred to we're looking at the minimum level of the 2% increase and Library be looking at about a $56,000 increase in their levy and transit about 13,000 and reviewing the That service fund expenditures and tax levy for 2006 The principal and interest payment schedule for our existing debt will require an increase in the tax levy of 382,000 The future debt issues for 2006 are included with the requests would require tax levy increases of 332,000 for a six-month interest payment for a 13.3 million dollar bond issue for the police facility and 73,000 for a six-month interest payment for a three million dollar note issue for the other projects in the capital improvements program The total increase in the tax levy for the debt service fund for all six budget would be 787,000 Looking ahead to 2007 for the debt service expenditures In 2007 the debt issues for the police facility and the 2006 capital improvements program would now require 12 months interest payments Which again would increase it by the budget by 332,000 for the police facility and 73,000 for the other program In addition to the interest payments 2006 capital improvements issue would require a minimum principal payment of $200,000 in 2007 The state trust loan for the fire station will require principal and interest payments of over a hundred thousand in 2007 With an increase of 200,000 for the city's current debt the debt service tax levy would have to increase approximately one million dollars for the 2007 budget To summarize the estimate excuse me tax levy increase for 2006 You'd be looking at the tax levy for the general fund library transit would increase 553,000 the tax levy for the existing in future debt service Requirements would increase 787,000 So the total tax levy increase we're looking at is 1.3 million Which is an increase of 6.8 percent 59% of this tax levy increase would be for past in future debt issues The assessed values are estimated to increase by 2% which would increase Would it create a tax rate increase of approximately 4.8 percent or an increase Approximately 51 cents per thousand of assessed value. I Don't have it on there, but if we were to look at summarizing the debt increase for 2007 The total would be somewhat similar only you'd have the allocation were about 300,000 for operating about one million for increasing and That service so you still have about a 1.3 million dollar increase for The tax levy for 2007 again about between six and seven percent increase When the third bullet point on the last page the estimated tax levy increase the mill rate of 51 cents per thousand of assessed value Translates to an additional about 50 $50 per $100,000 home for the average homeowner in Sheboygan Added on to their tax bill next year. Are there any questions for mr. Gabbard or myself? Alvin sushi Thank You mr. Mayor I Notice that if we do the issuance next year for the total of 1.3 million dollars You're saying that there's a 59% increase our 59% of the tax levy increase will be for debt So that means 41% of the tax levy would be for operating expenses I'm just curious. What is the normal amount of? Debt service for a city of our size is almost 60% is that normal or what would be normal? This again to clarify it would be the ratio of the increase in the tax levy And I would say on that basis of probably 25 to 30 percent of the increase would probably normal for the increase for debt service Okay, thank you very much to get part moving along we have a Public hearing one hearing it is please note that hearing number two has been will be held for the 19th meeting We do have a hearing on the first item there and that's for the proposed assessments for water lateral replacements at 832 Michigan Avenue and 1125 Michigan Avenue or there any interested parties that wish they wish to be heard Are there any interested parties that wish to be heard is there any one that would like to speak regarding the public hearing? Old man graph Thank you. I move that the hearing be closed There's a motion the second to close the hearing Under discussion There being none all is in favor of state. Aye. Aye any opposed motion passes hearing to close Consent agenda 11 1 through 11 22 All men graph. Thank you, your honor Before we do the consent agenda. I'd like to pull forward to documents Document 1161 and 62. I believe there's quite a few people up here that may be Interested in that and are you taking both at the same time? Yes 1161 and 62. Yes. Thank you You got it. Yep. Okay, please proceed all man grow and then I move that both resolutions be put upon their passage There's a motion. Is there a second? There's a second Under discussion under discussion your honor if I may Going back to when this came out of finance these two documents were Four members of finance were present the two resolutions were presented and we voted on it was it It ended up being three to one so that these would move out of out of finance and be brought to counsel Since they have been brought to counsel I received many calls regarding them and what needs to be done What I had told the many people that I did speak to is that I was going to write down the pros and cons of everything and come up with my own list and Decide what needed to be done based on on that and the input I received from the taxpayers well after all that happened it took till late last night and This morning again when I received a call from my daughter who's in the process of buying a condo that's in the process of being built and With her Questions to me as what she should do and so forth. I thought well, let me add that to just some of my pros and cons and my pros and cons are a Long list of pros for instance are it's a low cost the color donation the faster response time If if we develop an ambulance that moves into the fire station That would be a the station would be a great place to have it This is something that management and some staff want and that the the department Ken and has proposed an operating plan to to have this fifth station the cons were We need to if we need to hire new firefighters if we if we could share a Station by waiting with the town of Wilson which has been brought up The increase in operational costs we're not budgeted or we're not included in the original dollars the firefighters when they were up here previous time they had expressed the need for more men and so forth and If we need to offset budgets and so forth in 2006 and 2007 we're looking at layoffs And then there's the arbitration award That could be coming in addition The additional debt for 2007 well with that my daughter had asked the question well What should she do should she do this now or should she? Not and then this morning when when I spoke with her on she brought up the fact that she was told that she Needs to make a decision pretty soon because the cost of construction of this condo that she's looking at could raise by as much as 20% because of Katrina and We all have that to look at to regarding the response Regarding what's happening in New Orleans and and what we all can and should be doing Based on that alone I'm looking at this thing well, okay if the cost of this station is going to increase by all that and rather than being a Pennywise and pound foolish I think at this time even though it's coming out of finance as a as a positive saying please postpone this on the station I would at this time ask that the the alderman Vote that down vote this motion down that I just made and asked that We we do a motion to to file this document and move ahead with the police station because at this time I think it's the wisest thing to do. Oh, excuse me fire station because it's the wisest thing to do the The Then at the same time I would ask that I rather than hold things up because I know Costs are probably increasing as we're speaking. There's two additional documents on the agenda this evening 1159 1170 both documents on we're supposed to be referred to public protection and safety I'd ask that that maybe somebody well what we could do is I Ask for suspension of the rules and vote on those and act on those tonight And therefore get moving award the contract to the lowest bidder and move forward with the fire station and Get it built at these Hopefully reduce costs that are probably only guaranteed for the next 30 days Thank you all the mandra from the time calms. I'll ask you to take the lead on those motions, please Alderman Kittleson Thank you, your honor. I just wanted to to reiterate I feel strongly that in the best interest of public protection and safety For the citizens of Sheboygan that we would be making a big big mistake if we didn't go forward and build this new fire station So I I think Alderman graph for his For his words. Thank you. Thank you all in Kittleson all of them and Sigali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I also thank Alderman graph, but then of course he's in the area where it would be built so I just I think it's really very necessary With that new whole area going out for the 130 homes Etc. And what is taking now place out there on the south side? I think that area is in desperate need of a new fire station Whedon Creek and okay has seen their several Horrific accidents. I think and a better response time there would would have benefited the people So I do think in that Alderman Davis is in agreement with me since that's our district that we sure would like it We thank Alderman graph and we would be voting for the new fire station. Thank you. Thank you almost a galley all of them in Vanderbilt Thank you, your honor. If this is the proper time. I'd like to make a motion to file resolution 1161 and 1162 There's a motion the second to file 61 and 62 Any discussion so please call the roll So excuse me. This would be to file both of the documents Balmain D-Berg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke so golly Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderbilt 16 eyes Motion carries Go ahead Okay, thank you, your honor. I'd like to bring forward documents 1159 and 1170, please 1159 we will act on 1159 first please proceed sir. I Would ask for suspension the rules then second. There's a motion to spend the rules. Is there any objection? There be a non, please proceed. Okay, I ask this council here for the to have a voice vote on passing Document 1159. Thank you. It would be to accept and file There's a motion to accept in file 1159. Is there a second? second Under discussion or one Susha Thank You, mr. Mayor You know I agree also that we do need Excellent fire coverage on the south side of Sheboygan I do have some concerns though in regards to the lack of communication with the town of Wilson With getting them to pay for a portion of this because with the reciprocity When they have a big fire being that they have a volunteer fire department We will automatically send the help and they don't have to pay for it So I don't think it's right that we build something on the edge of town without getting The the people on the other side of the street to help pay for it Some of the words in document 1162 which we just filed just are so important here It talks about the state has frozen the shared revenue payments and the legislature has approved tax levy restraints And whereas a fifth fire station would add additional operating expenditures and principal and interest payments to the future budgets And ultimately there's the potential for service reductions and employee layoffs And I just don't know if it makes sense to build a building and then next year or the year after we have to be faced With well, how are we going to downsize the fire department now and which which department are we going to close? I'm thinking that ultimately what we're going to wind up doing is closing one of the other stations if we go ahead and build this one And it just doesn't make much sense. I understand the point as far as the hurricane driving up the building expenses And I do agree that seven hundred thousand dollars is not the most expensive project that I've seen Come this way, and I think it's actually a very reasonable project But when you're looking at what it's going to do to the taxpayers I think it's going to increase the taxes just too much more than what the taxpayers can afford at this point in time So I will have to vote against Moving ahead with this project. Thank you Allman Montemayor Thank you, your honor. I Agree with Alderman Graf Now is the time to do it because of money problems I agree with Alderman Susha that now is the time not to do it because of money problems However, I do think that we have the need I think the citizens of Sheboygan support this fire station and that's what make Influences me the most but remember citizens. We may be coming to you for money in the future. Thank you Sorry, I hit the wrong button Alderman Sigali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would like to open up the floor, please to Chief Sayer to do if he could answer some of the questions that Alderman Susha had There's a motion on the floor to open up the floor For chief Sayer. Yes, Alderman Being a department head you don't have to open the floor yet Chief Sayer Thanks And to try and do the best thing that we can for the citizens of Sheboygan and answering all them as such as Questions I can say this number one that first of all in my 33 years in this department I think we responded mutual aid to any township I think one time for extrication and maybe one time for cutting a guardrail The volunteer departments have come to our aid in the city of Sheboygan for numerous fires major fires the Prange fire Thona fire Brought many men, but they spent a lot of hours helping us and we never paid them a penny either We have not gone that way yet. This station will open the door to those talks Matter of fact, I'm going to be attending a meeting with the mayor and in your future and county fire chiefs and looking at sharing services It's kind of hard to ask to share a service until you have something to share I think we've put the step forward that I believe the Town chairman the fire chief of the town of Wilson think this is a good project. It's right for the city Sheboygan I think it opens the door to do that I can tell you that in under other municipalities like the city of Merrill Jamesville and other cities are contracting out to the townships to provide emergency medical support and fire support and have a yearly contract basis That's something that we will be able to look forward to now when that station is there and open the door to any means surrounding township As far as staffing this staff, which is unanimous in this decision on building the station has looked at staffing We've been we've been players in the last three years in our budget matter of fact when this prop Proposals brought forth by some 2002 we were scheduled for that year for a hundred thousand dollars in vehicle replacement We were scheduled for a hundred thousand dollars in two thousand and four vehicle replacement We were scheduled for a hundred twenty five thousand this year over two hundred fifty thousand dollars We gave up through the capital improvements project to make this project a goal and with that in mind We knew that we would need vehicles and we had it all to our schedule We went forth and got grants in the last three years of over three hundred fifty thousand dollars of vehicle and equipment And we're scheduled for another hundred thousand dollars this year for a grand total of seven hundred fifty thousand Dollars we've basically in the last three years Funded this project by hard work and dedication and commitment, and I thank you if the vote goes away I think it's going to tonight Forgiving the citizens the right in the south side to receive the same service as a south side You have now by passing this tonight if you pass it you will give a tool to the firefighters That they can respond to the needs in a proper response time and I'll answer any other questions you have Thank You chief. Thank you Alderman Ratke you are next sir Alderman Stefan Thank you your honor. I think under the circumstances I'd be remiss if I I didn't thank the chief for his years of service After what you said this evening with his upcoming retirement He showed us again tonight, you know that he really cares about the citizens and his employees And I think that's one more reason why we have to pass this I Also want to thank you and mr. Gebhardt for your involvement in the budget process and making us aware of the difficulties going forward and Particularly getting it out to the public, you know, I as someone who sat on finance I've heard Rich Gebhardt, you know for four years say yeah, whenever we build this police station It's not gonna be good. So I think that most of the older people have done their homework We know the projections. We know what's out there. We know Sometimes stuff happens that you don't know about we sold Acres and made five hundred thousand dollars two weeks ago. We've got land in the township wagon It's all one-time money, but so is building something is one-time money So I think it's good that you're getting the community the knowledge that we have and I applaud you in that I Just I thought it was ironic that we heard tonight from some of the people who said we've changed our minds That's what some of the people in the community say to me If they they're not gonna yell at me anymore because they figure in three months We'll change our mind and then they'll get their way, you know, and I think we have to be You know, sometimes we make mistakes We have to be big enough to say we did and move forward, but I think we also have to realize we can't spend our entire day Thinking back of what we've did in the past. We have to move forward. We've got real problems We need real solutions and I think this is something that definitely needs to move forward I just wanted to comment on the capital improvements and priorities. I sat on capital improvements I believe two three years as a citizen and two years as a older person and I you know, I can remember Tom Holt was saying yep the year we build a police station We won't be building many roads Well, now we should move it out two more years We're in the capital improvements that I saw it's not approved. There's like a million dollars for parks I don't take a backseat to anybody in this council in supporting parks. I've always supported parks I can remember all doing the graph and I arguing about the lights that well would park But if you have a choice of building a splash pad at end park Where police station or a fire station? I think that's where we need the priorities And I'm confident this council when the push comes to shove they'll figure that out I'm happy that even tonight many of them have seen the light to support this project So I think moving it forward is a correct decision Thank you all Mr. Stefan Hold on Manny. Thank you. I would just like the chief to comment about operating costs utility costs and maintenance costs I already know the answers, but I think they're they're telling many honorable Mira Perez committee council members We're um the operating costs for new fire station deputy chief shark put together some estimates on our four stations It's about $1,000 a month to run that station. So it's about $12,000 a year We have made a commitment to operate that station with the present personnel We have and present equipment we have and that's the way that I believe it's going to be done in the future Department that's police and fire commission has chosen to select the next chief from within the department with our entire department and Support of this. That's what we're moving forward I'm not saying that when times get good or if there's other revenue funding mechanisms within the fire department Like possibly the ambulance in 2008 that funding may come forth like the city of Manawak and bring on more personnel and pay for that and pay for and Create a revenue source for the city for a year 2008 So basically it's a we maintain our own stations firefighters do their own Maintenance in the station. So it's basically the heat and light which I've included in my budget And I'll be talking to the mayor about next week. Thank you Thank you chief Alderman Meyer Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I too have been very torn on this issue when I ran for this seat I talked about fiscal responsibility and that has been a major issue for me. I don't want to see city employees laid off I don't want to see our taxes go up But I don't want to see someone die because the fire department cannot get to their place in time So hopefully if we build it the town of Wilson will come and that will help us in some of our finances So I will be supporting this Thank you all the mayor all of them retake Thank You your honor This fire station is an example of what can be done with the proper planning And I support this a hundred percent back in 1979 my folks built the house on the corner of South 18th Street and Fox Hill Road Except there's one problem. So the 18th Street didn't exist down there at that point in time fish Crick was still where it was Today there's a bridge going out there. Yes, that was to help the fire department get out there But I believe in chiefs I correct me if I'm wrong was in 1978 chief Walt Rawlsie was it purchased a piece of property in the town of Wilson Anticipating future growth for the city of Sheboygan now here. We have a project that was started, you know more than 20 years ago I was you know, it was the proper thing to do was proper planning and everything and today We can follow through on a project that started that long ago with the vision to serve the south side residents Which we haven't done with the current one fire station because we're just Understaffed at one station if those guys are sitting way out there by Romra states That leaves the rest of us in the south side with nobody because all the rest of the stations on the other end of town And this is one project that once just once the city of Sheboygan actually is gonna follow through on and do it the right way Not and I can't see turning back at this point in time not after all these years and we've come this far so it was it was the Vision of one fire chief many years ago that we're gonna finish up on this evening It was a proper planning and I can support this all the way all the sushi Thank You mr. Mayor With working on capital improvements I've noticed that sometimes we seem to do things backwards as far as people will come in and they'll ask for a certain amount of Money and then you'll say well did you get any estimates? How do you know that's gonna cost this much? How do you know that to build us a shelter and bathrooms at King Park is going to run $300,000. How do you know this and they just do without having any estimates? You know we just heard the fire chief say that you know after we build it then we will contract Potentially with the town of Wilson. Well, I'd like to start seeing this city do it the opposite way You know first get the estimates before you come to capital improvements and ask for the money And as far as building the fire station I think that we should have worked with the town of Wilson got the contract in place first and then you build the fire House because now why would they enter into a contract because of mutual aid? We have to go and cover a fire if they need our help I mean I just think we're sometimes doing things backwards And I would just challenge all the department heads in the future to try to do it the other way because I think it would make More sense to the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you Excuse me chief all of us a golly Thank you, mr. Mayor, may I speak one more time? I think it's okay I guess I'm not worried about the town of Wilson at the present time I'm worried about the people in that area now and with the new area that's going out there now The town of Wilson, I'm sure that the new fire chief and them will probably get together And like you said would be discussing it, but we We need that station now. We need to protect the people who have not been protected we need to have it now and Town of Wilson can come but I think we need that station at the same time. We're talking to town of Wilson. Thank you She's iron you had a comment sir. Yes, sir Mayor prize our council piercings. I need to address the statement inspired Alderman Sushia 33 years ago. I stand that corner raised my hand took an oath to serve the city to give my life if I have to It was that the citizens of Sheboygan they paid the bill for 33 years five years ago I stood net said to my best of ability as fire chief. I will support the statutes I will look into supporting whatever is the best for the citizens of Sheboygan who pay the bill That was town of Wilson is a plus I represent the city Sheboygan those people on the south side are under my jurisdiction for their life and safety And I brought the proposal forth for that reason anything we get on above them beyond is a plus. Thank you Thank you, chief And just to close in common real quickly I too support building a fire station I always have and I do encourage the Alderman to vote for it But I equally encourage you to help me find that money to shift that money because we're going to shift money when that That issue is out there and we're gonna have to meet that obligation I asked department heads the council and the unions To work with me so that we can make the necessary adjustments on that budget That are going to be fair and equitable to everyone And I know we can do that But I'm asking everyone to put it to heart that that's what we're going to do together as a team We will call the vote Please call the roll and this would be to accept and file the arrow by the purchasing agent number 1159 Dberg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel and Bowman 15 eyes one no motion carries Alderman D. Bird. Okay. Thank you your honor now on document 1170 I moved that the resolution be put upon its passage, please There's a motion the second to put 1170 upon its passage under discussion there being on please call the roll Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman and D. Berg 15 eyes one no motion carries consent agenda Hallerman graph Thank You your honor Consent agenda consisting of the documents 11-1 through 11-22 I would move that all our O's be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted and adopted We pass the resolutions and the general ordinance Is there a second motion the second under discussion Hallerman Susha Thank You mr. Mayer what I'd like to do is Pull document number 1120 and refer that to finance There's already a similar doc document 1160 and it just looks like it should be reviewed by some finance before we vote on it Any objection to that 1120 will be referred to finance Alderman Bowman I Think your honor on document 1119 for discussion purposes only This is a Continue, I'm sorry please continues This is a commendation basically to the city of Shivwagon, and I'd like to read it if I could please please do that the Public Works Committee did meet and discuss the 2004 compliance maintenance annual report From the Wisconsin DNR giving the wastewater treatment plant a perfect score of 4.0 The CMAR is an annual self-evaluation of the wastewater treatment plant collection system and Associated wastewater management activities the letter states that the Shivwagon wastewater treatment plant has a very effective operation Thank You Alderman Bowman We will take a vote on consent agenda 111 to 1122 with the exception of 1120 that will be referred to finance Please call the roll Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meijer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg and Ebert 69 ocean carries communication and petitions 1123 to 1131 to be referred Report of officers 1132 by the Board of Parks and Forestry Commission is recommending filing resolution by Alderman Berg authorized in the study of establishing pet friendly areas in city parks within the city of Shivwagon Alderman Bowman And thank you on our move that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file There's a motion the second to accept and file 1132 any discussion All those in favor state aye Any opposed motion carries 1133 by the city clerk submitting a communication from the board of commissioners of public land state stating that the loan applications Constructive arts fire station has been Conditionally approved and has been forwarded to the office of the Attorney General for legal review Let Alderman graph Yeah, and I would that the RO be accepted and placed on file There's motion the second to accept and file 1133 under discussion There be a non oldest in favor state aye Any opposed motion carries 1134 will lie over 1135 through 1159 will be referred except let me make some notes here 1135 the year has changed 205 will change to 206 1139 will be referred not to public works, but to the marina and harbor committee 1144 will be referred to all those committees listed and now we'll add public works 1145 will be referred to city plan commission and committee of the whole moving along And 1159 was already acted on is there Alderman yes, a question on 1141 which is from the sheboygan lodging group Requesting basically a reevaluation of the chamber contract. I guess one question is well We have a committee of the whole meeting shortly Reason I mentioned that is that the the salary and grievance committee will be looking at the table of organization With the additions and on their Wednesday meeting And I think the request will be then to go and advertise for the position This serves as somewhat of a cloud if you would over that action, and I don't think we want to Get in the situation of approving something and then coming back and not approving it at the next meeting So I think it would be timely. Would that be perhaps next Monday? Yes, I think that'll that'll allow us the opportunity to do that penny level. Thank you That is a very good point all over bird. Thank you Yes Alderman Berg just to give you for information this document was actually handed to me as their presentation from the last meeting So it's kind of catching up. So it's not a brand new one. It's no just so you know, okay Okay, those 1135 1159 again will be referred 11 as I said earlier 1159 was has already been accepted in file 1160 resolutions introduced 1160 by alderman graph Mending the administrative services agreement between the city of Sheboygan and the ICMA RC retirement corporation for plan number 307 6 3 Alderman graph Thank you, your honor. I'd move that that resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion in the second to put 1160 upon his passage under discussion They're being on I'm sorry Alderman Susha Wondering if Alderman graph could explain this a little bit more in regards to is this funded by the city or is it funded by the employees? I'm gonna let rich gap heart. I explain it As he's the expert mr. Gephard. Thank you sir. Thank you This is a deferred compensation plan for the employees that they invest their funds into and pay fees to ICMA and What this amendment is is to lower the fees that the Employees will pay basically they would not pay the direct administration fees. They'd be paying the fees per fund But it would save the employees on an average about 175 dollars per year But it's the fees have totally paid by the employees and none of it is in the past has been paid by the city Thank You mr. Gephard 1161 and 62 have already been pulled forward and file 116. I'm sorry I'm sorry didn't take a vote That's right Take a vote 1160 all those in favor state I in your polls Motion carries. Thank you 1163 by Alderman Ratke authorizing Scott Lewandowski to serve as a volunteer assistant city historian Alderman Ratke. Thank you, your honor. I move that we Resolution upon its passage. Thank you. There's a motion the second to put 1163 upon his passage under discussion Alderman Mannerwheel Thank you, your honor This would be to anybody who could answer it if there's anybody here tonight if if anybody else would come forward and asked to be a volunteer assistant to the city historian do we only have room for one or Have we gone out there and said, you know anybody was a historian are they interested in that position? I was just curious if If we would have five assistants or one assistant What we were looking at on that My My my position would be one assistant That's usually usually the way it's handled what I did is I contacted Former Alderman Wagamon and asked him if he was interested at all in having an assistant I doubt that if we asked him to if he wants two or three more he's gonna say yes I think it'd be a courtesy to him since he is a city historian to ask him And quite frankly if he wanted 30 I'd put it before you to give him that but at the moment he He was content with one and he said that he could use the services There's a lot of work that that he's working on and there's a special project If you will recall that we are hoping to honor all the mayors part-time that have never been honored and that requires some considerable Research and all of mr. Wagamon did not have a lot of time on his hands to do that He writes a column for the paper also, so he asked for some help and mr. Lewandowski was Most grateful to offer his assistance Alderman Sigali. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I read Scott's Background and he's quite qualified to be assistant historian and being on the historical committee myself I want to welcome him to the historical committee, and then we do welcome his knowledge on this. Thank you Thank you Any further discussion? All is in favor of the motion. Please state aye Any opposed motion carries 1164 will lie over. I'm sorry. It will be referred to finance 1165 and 66 will lie over 1167 through 1173 will be referred All men's a golly. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to pull 1168 please 1168 please proceed. I know that when you took over As our mayor and our council changed that there would be quite a few changes on the council this one kind of I Guess my only words that could come to mind was kind of blew my mind I don't think there is one older person here that does not dress with respect I don't think any constituent has ever called to say that we don't dress properly And I guess I feel that if anybody is going to tell me what and what I cannot wear on the council meeting Mr. Mayor they need to take their checkbook out checkbook out And I hope they have a hefty one because my clothes don't come cheap So I I just think this this does not even need to be referred to the committee of the whole I think I would like to suspend the rules and for us to vote on this right here and now You can just make a motion to file it. I can just make a motion to file it then I move that we file this There's a motion second to file if I may almost a galley. I will just quickly respond to your comment I don't know if you're saying that I brought this forward. I did not bring this forward This is well, let me explain to you what happened Just so that everybody understand what happened Alderman Baumann approached me and I asked if if we should consider a dress code for the council Fannie Alderman approaches me and asked should we consider I will say fine. Would you like to author the resolution? He said that he would I asked him if he wanted some help. He said yes, I Put together a team of comprised of Susan Hart Mary rager and Marie Alice Marie Alice is our city assessor She has an internal departmental Dress code herself and I felt that she was a good person to be there and I was simply complying with the request of an alderman I Worry about how I dress. I think all of you will worry about how you dress I worry about how much I spent for my clothes and I think you will do the same thing But it is unfair to insinuate that I had anything to do with it. It wasn't me Okay There's a motion to file discussion on the motion to file Alderman Vander wheel Thank You, Your Honor. Um, I will vote to file this because as of right now if you're 18 years old You can become an alderman. All you have to do is convince your district to vote for you if we do this You're saying you have to be 18 and able to dress a certain way and I don't agree with that While ago I heard a story about a alderman in the 70s that ran for alderman in Illinois He was old man for maybe two years till his term was up and every time he came to council He wore a cape tights and a shirt with an A on it and he went as alderman You know, if we're gonna have that here and the people voted for him The people have to have a problem with him. I don't think we should or the mayor should address that I think the people should address that. Thank you Really, I just got the same. I'm not addressing that. This is not my resolution Please um what I was saying with that is if we would have this here I was assuming that you would be the one to enforce it. I wasn't I wasn't trying to say that you made this I was just saying that you might be I'm sorry all the men will but the enforcement would lie on the city clerk That that's what the resolution says I did not All I did all I did all I did was draft the resolution as asked to do I Did they were if you read the resolution which apparently you haven't The enforcement lied on the city clerk and that that was because a Suggestion was made that in the past former city clerk Pet Lowe's was actually enforcing a city coach He would come and she was a little stern. She would come and say, you know, you need to wear some You know wear a tie or something like that, but I want to make it perfectly clear This is not my doing and I don't want to get blamed for something that I had nothing to do All I was doing is honoring the request of an alderman just like I will do for you and anybody else Okay, thank you. There's a motion to file. Did we take the vote already? Oh, please take the vote Sorry No, we didn't take and we'll take a roll call. Please call the roll. Thank you. This is to file the document Davis Ah Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron van der wheel Bowman D-Berg Eberg and Serta 16 eyes. Thank you motion carries Moving along 11 74 report of committee Will be referred to public works not capital improvements. Please make that notation Report of committees 1175 by public protection and safety recommend in filing documents submitted a communication from Gina Steinhardt Regarding continuing issues with the trucks driving to Rockline and Mayline and not having proper signage Alderman Sushia Thank you, mr. Mayor, and if it's all right with you, I'd like to take 1166 1176 and 77 Also, also from Gina Steinhardt Submitting documentation regarding houses in her neighborhood and desperate need of various repairs and also recommending filing document 77 submitting a communication from Gina Steinhardt regarding the ongoing issues With garbage being allowed to pile up in backyards on porches stuck between garages, etc. In her neighborhood Make a motion to file Motion to second to file under discussion Alderman van Akron your honor. I'd like to remove those three resolutions to committee the whole There's a motion in the second to refer all three all three through committee of the whole and who's seconded. I'm sorry Thank you under discussion Alderman Sarah I'm sorry. Thank you your honor the reason why these I had supported moving these documents to the committee of the whole is because Gina Steinhardt has contacted me and many of the individuals in this room including the media just talking about how she felt Mistreated in that committee by the chairman and that she was not allowed to speak on her issue But others within the room even though she was on the agenda She was never Recognized by the chair and other individuals were able to speak on her issues other than herself So by moving it to the committee of the whole maybe she'll get a better better treatment Oh, Mr. Stefan Yes, that was my question. I just didn't nobody had contacted me apparently tell me why we were going to ask To this or anything. I just want to know the reason Okay. Thank you all of them sushi Thank You mr. Mayor perhaps I can shed some light on the situation and in the future I do encourage alderman if you have questions about something that happens in a committee that I'm involved and feel free to call Me at home. I'd be happy to talk to you about it Basically what what happened is that we follow the Roberts rules of order both in this council chamber and also at committee meetings And it's expected that if somebody wants to speak they need to raise their hand to be recognized And that did not happen not once did the person in these complaints raise her hand to be recognized instead It was constantly interrupting the meeting answering questions that the building inspectors were having among the two of them Putting feedback in places where she wasn't recognized. She did not have the floor It was made clear to her three times that she did not have the floor and when she Interrupted the meeting the fourth time. She was not allowed to speak the committee had her written words in numerous documents We've got lots of letters from this individual and The decision was made to basically file these documents to send them to the committee the whole the end result is going to be the Same the motion is going to be made to file these documents. Thank you all miss us Thank You honor As a as a chairperson, I think it is the responsibility of the chair that obviously missus steinhurt was frustrated as Explained by a older person's sushi here if at any point alderman sushi maybe would have said all you need to do is raise your hand I think genius steinhurt would have took advantage of that Okay, well, we're gonna this has been referred a committee of the whole this can be hashed out at the committee of the whole Otherwise, there's no need to refer it if you want to discuss it tonight. So all of them been accurate No, I'll change my mind That's why I wanted to send it to committee whole so we don't discuss it here tonight very smart Sir because I've heard two different stories. I've heard it from one. I went and got The tape and I listened to it myself. So that's when I was me Okay, we'll take the vote on referring it to committee of the whole that will be item 75 I'm sorry. Oh 1175 1176 1177 there has been a motion the second to refer it back to committee All those in favor you want to roll call? No, although you want to roll call? Please call the roll. Okay, this is to refer back refer to the committee the whole correct Yes, okay, and I vote and I vote would be to refer Graf Kittlesen Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel Bauman D. Berg Eberg Serta I'm sorry and Davis 12 to 4 motion carries 1178 and To be referred to public works not capital improvements All in the graph. No, that's what I was going to ask. Okay. Thank you, sir And 1179 will be referred to public works also not capital improved not capital improvements commissioned. Please note that Reported committee 1180 by finance Reporting on the limited increase in the 205 tax levy for the 206 budget for the operation funds all of them in graph Thank you, your honor. I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted There's a motion in the second to accept and adopt 1180 under discussion There being on all those in favor state I I can you oppose? motion carries 1181 to 1185 to be referred Alderman Sugali Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I would like to call 1182 and What concerning re-establishing the salary for the position of all the persons in the city of Sheboygan I guess we're talking about fiscal responsibility here and at the present time. I really don't think that according to Ordinance that the alderman should be getting any kind of a raise We have problems with the fire department police department public works with their with their Arbitration in that and I just feel that to be fiscally responsible I don't think that the that we as alderman at this at this time should be requesting An increase in our salary, so I would like to make a motion to file There's a motion in the second to file 1182 under discussion Alderman Berg Yes, thank you. I'm on the ref on the referral. I think Typically statutorily every couple of years. We look at this you will notice that the I believe the 2006 remains the same as it has been over the last several years 2007 is open you can write zero in there if you wish because there's no number end with the purposes to get this into a committee and Make and basically make a decision to report back to the full council under further discussion all women sushi Thank You. Mr. Mayor just to put things into perspective Hypothetically speaking if the alderman received a 10% pay increase that would equate to about nine dollars a week nine dollars a week increase not nine dollars an hour But what I would like to see done is I would like to perhaps see Ed Cirque do a salary study on alderman and shabuigan Perhaps we're overpaid and maybe a decrease in our salary would be appropriate And that's something that with the blank here Nobody ever thought of is that we should maybe look at decreasing our salary not necessarily increasing it So to file it on the floor without further investigation I think it's somewhat foolish and another thing to keep in mind is to help recruit Quality people in the future if you keep the salary as low as it is like I said It's it's rather hysterical the 10% increase would be nine Dollars more a week, but I think you have to stay with the rate of inflation to a certain extent I'm not saying we should have a 10% increase even if it's a 1.5% increase you have to look in the future about the People that you'd be attracting. I mean at the salary does now You're not going to get Some of the people that have PhDs in the city to come and even apply for this because you don't do it for the Money, but it's it's not even covering some basic expenses For some of the aldermen so motion has been made to file Alderman Sushia if you'd like you can speak to Chirp the chairman of the salary and grievance. He'd be glad to put it on the agenda Or you can introduce a resolution stating your wishes attorney McLean Thank you, Your Honor One problem with filing this is currently The resolution or the ordinance that's in place just goes through 2005 so there is no salary For 2006 or 2007 so if you'd want to keep it the same at the same level you'd need to put in 4668 for 2006 and 4668 for 2007 otherwise just filing this Unless that's what you want to do it means you don't get anything and Maybe that's what you want to do. I don't I Take it you won no salary element retty Thank you, Your Honor so you so attorney McLean what you're saying to us is there is no salary if we do nothing with this at this point in time Is that what you're saying to us? Oh Just right right now there is no salary set for aldermanic positions for 2006 or any future year if I may ask one more question on this how often do the Visit this area and I mean people with people don't realize out there and I'm not saying that I want more money or anything It's a difficult position and be putting to put to make your own raising things But there are several expenses that we do incur that we are not reimbursed for that this pretty much pays for itself for the expenses and things but how often do they revisit the The salaries and things for alderman and how they generally set set the rate is my question The the history of this is I think the last document originally came in for Setting the salary for a number of years, I think seven or eight years That was cut back by the alderman to just I think three years three or four years The last three years of which I think were 4668 Under the ordinance 13 months before the election is up is the time that the council has Established for setting future salaries you cannot Statutorily vote to increase your own salary. So that's why I was asked to put this together just to get something in That's why I put 4668 for 2006 because that reflects a zero increase 2007 There would be new alderman That would not be voting here tonight. So you'd be voting on future alderman salaries not your own so that's why I left that number blank and I was requested to do this just to get something in so that the council could look at the issue So even the 4668 didn't come from any place other than that's what you currently get as a salary Thank you, attorney McLean Alderman graph. Thank you, Your Honor Because I believe this is already on the salary and grievances agenda for Wednesday I would respectfully request that the alderman that voted to file this read withdraw their their their Motion and let it go to to salary and grievance who will be discussing it on Wednesday night more than likely We'll bring it back the same, but at least it'll set something up for both 06 and 07 All of us you golly. Would you like to withdraw your motion? Thank you, mr. Mayor alderman graph My name is alderman Sigali, and I will resend my motion. Thank you I will yes, I will withdraw Let's not let's not worry about that There's a second who made the second withdraw to okay, okay for me Will be referred to salary 1182. Please understand will go to salary and grievances matters laid over 1053 resolution number 105 0506 by Alderman graph Stefan Montemire Susha and Davis authorizing a transfer of appropriations and the 205 budget Alderman graph Thank You, Your Honor. I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion is there a second there's a second under discussion They're being on please call the roll Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratki Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel Bowman D. Burke E. Burke Serta Davis and graph 16 eyes Motion passes 1062 general ordinance number 280506 by all of them and Vanderweel Montemay or Ratki and Meyer relating to the no parking anytime so as to add this east side of North 10th Street from a point 153 feet south of the South curb line of Wisconsin Avenue to a point 100 feet south there of Alderman Vanderweel Thank You, Your Honor Excuse me, I'll make a motion to put the general ordinance upon its passage There's a motion the second under discussion They're being on please call the roll Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratki Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel Bowman D. Burke E. Burke Serta Davis graph and Kittleson 16 eyes Motion passes other matter other matters authorized by law 11 86 an RO by finance director treasurer submitting the Harbor Center marina balance sheet from operation dates July 31st 05 will be referred to marina and harbor committee 1187 an RO by the city clerk submitting a communication from van der Waart holding company incorporated Stating that they are interested in the property The city has on highway 42 just west of I 43 and would be interested in what city has to offer in terms of a land swap of Some sort that would benefit them and the city Alderman Serta Thank You, Your Honor. I move that the RO be accepted in place on file There's motion in the second to put 1187 to accept in file 1187 under discussion Yeah, thank you, Your Honor I just want to give an explanation to the public as to why you don't see me submitting a resolution The last time at the council I was told that I needed to submit a resolution in order for the city to make contact with van der Waart I'm just happy and I'm pleased that the mayor took initiative And we had that meeting with van der Waart last week Tuesday And we have documentation from that meeting which will be put forth has been to the elder persons And so we can move forward with that And a circuit I see you attended which is great. Thank you Okay 1188 we'll go to public works 1189 we'll go to finance I'm sorry. What is that yours? 1187, but we don't think we did a vote. We didn't take a vote Okay, 11 thank you 1187 all those in favor state I Any opposed motion carries. Thank you 1188 we'll go to public works 1189 we'll go to finance 1190 a resolution by Alderman van der Waart stating that the common council has every intention to build a new police facility Alderman van der Waart Thank You, Your Honor. I'll make a motion to put the resolution upon his passage There's motion the second to put the 1190 upon his passage under discussion all in van der Waart Thank You under discussion. The reason I sent this in is because every day someone's asking me if we're gonna build a new police station or not I think if we're not gonna do it then we need to vote not to do it or we need to vote to do it Can't keep on questioning ourselves Think we need to stop wasting money and time looking for a site if this council has no intentions of building a new facility Waiting two years won't work because I don't think a new council is gonna pick up Most of us will be new at that point all I'm asking is To stop messing around stop playing games and let the people of Sheboygan know what the intentions are of this council and If you decide to change your mind, just explain it to the people, you know, like it was said earlier Sometimes we do change our minds that happens, but I'm asking for a vote So the people know where we are at this point from the looking for a site to actually building a new facility Thank you. Thank you. All the men are real Alderman D. Berg. Thank you, your honor before Alderman Ratke said with the fire department. It was in the makings for 20 years good planning. Well, police departments Probably 40 45 years in the planning now is the time for us to make our move and go ahead with this. Thank you Thank you. Alderman Berg. Alderman Seva Thank you, your honor. I Think this resolution is definitely needed not only for the citizens, but our police department I almost feel like every time something comes up We owe them an apology that we keep prolonging this issue But you know anytime I run into citizens if there's one thing that everybody seems to be uniform on that is build the police station I think they're also getting sick and tired that we're not putting this forward and doing it expediently So I think this this resolution couldn't have come in at a better time and I'm going to support it Thank you. Alderman Seva Alderman Segali Thank You, Mr. Mayor. I agree with Alderman Berg and Serta and Van der Wille I just think that this is time that we We give respect due to the police station and to the citizens that we they need to know the police need to know That yeah, we're going to build this police station for them and it's it's time to do it now So thank you. Thank you Alderman Meyer Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I don't think this is really fair to all of us Be new on this council when I came in. I knew we had financial problems in the city But after meeting with the mayor last week. I realized we have Major financial problems in our city and for us to borrow this 13 14 million dollars and the possibility of increasing taxes and laying 60 city employees off in the next two years I'm having a big problem with this and to say we're going to build Does that mean we're going to leave out remodeling City Hall because to me The fiscal way to go is going to be to remodel City Hall because we cannot afford 13 14 million to be borrowing to build a brand-new building Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Meyer. Alderman Van der Wille second time Thank you, your honor. I purposely put new police facility and I purposely didn't put any money Because if we can build it the cheapest we can under 8 million or whatever if we build it Connected the city hall or some hall with City Hall as long as it's a new facility. That's all I'm asking right now Thank you. I'm gonna hand it will Alderman Sushia Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I mean, I don't think there's an alderman here that doesn't think we need a new police station The questions of course is where to build it and when After meeting with the mayor like Alderman Meyer had said after looking at the numbers the city is in worst worst financial situation than I ever thought and building it next year just isn't Feasible and I think that we need to let the recommendation that came out of capital improvements go through the process and Look at this during the budgeting time Rather than commit to something right now. I mean, this is a fine resolution. I just have a problem approving something that says that we promise not to delay the process where Financially it's it's virtually impossible to move ahead with this next year. Thank you Thank you, Alderman Sushia. Alderman Ratke. Thank you, your honor One of the things I say when I ran For council was we need a new police station 50 years ago, and I still believe that to this day This resolution here just kind of ties my hands. It says you got to do something. You have to do it now Yeah, we need to do something now. Unfortunately. We got a lot of high numbers here. We have no certainty in a site We got a lot of unanswered questions here to be you know saying here We got to build this thing. I mean what this is time. We're gonna build it right now We have financial problems. I saw the piece of paper to pie chart I look at that every day I think to myself how are we gonna do this there's got to be a way to do this And I think and I think and I think it's somewhere along the way There's going to be a solution to get this done But the first thing we need to do is look at reality get a site get the numbers together done Let's pass this and take I mean we've been meeting Monday nights and things is coming Monday night again We're gonna sit down and meet go over this reports and we'll sit down and figure out just exactly where we can go And what we have to do but in the meantime, we don't need a resolution here to start pushing it even farther I mean there's other issues to deal with besides worrying that we've made a promise now to the police Department of the city or whatever that we're going to build we're going to build this thing It has to happen and it should have happened 50 years ago I mean the infrastructure the city suffered long enough it needs to be done, but this resolution doesn't help it Thank you. I'm a red key all of them draw Thank You honor When I read this in the agenda I'd call all of them vendor wheelie and asked them about the The third whereas and the fourth whereas and those are the two I checked you because being on capital improvements We discussed what we may have to do and what we may not have to do and I'd rather wait to have the capital improvements go through the Planning department as well as through the finance and then back to council to make a decision the The the area we may have to postpone it for six months This would bind our hands and we couldn't do anything for the six months. It may be that For instance with us still looking at and considering the van der Waart property and so forth What if they'd say well if you can hold off for a year? We'll do this. We'll do that and Wouldn't oh no, we got this ordinance here We got to do something with that now although that could be rescinded too and then you're going to hear the same thing Is over and over that oh yeah, you made a decision then all of a sudden you're changing your mind To do this at this time I think is a little premature and I'd rather wait until after the capital improvements and the budget for 2000 and and six gets set Thank you all my gruff all the months are there Thank you, your honor I have some conflicting messages that I heard here tonight and I'm wondering if you your honor can clarify this for me alderman May Meyer alderman Sushin alderman Racky referred to meeting with you, which I met with you to Talking about the budget input sessions and these charts And I don't know if they're taking the message that you're not in support of this because I came out of that Out of your office, too And then given the the statement made in the paper out of capital improvements This is a promise that you said you had made one of the promises you made So I'm wondering if you can clarify that for the other older persons that seem to maybe miss quoting you And just lastly is I think you know we have gone around on this issue It's like we've addressed three questions number one. Do we need a police station? I think we've answered that number two Where should we put it where we're at now, but now we seem to be asking this third question Can we put off on building it later and with everything that we said about the fire department applies here? Can we afford to put this police station off anymore in the future and will it ever get done if we do? Thank you Thank you all and Serda to answer your question When the issue of Sheridan Park came up when there was a change in the council When I became mayor and made a very strong stern statement I said I will do everything I possibly can to save Sheridan Park. I Said in my mind in my heart Sheridan Park will not be destroyed. I can assure you and The public and the chief That I will do everything I possibly can to build this police station in My mind and my heart this police station is going to get built That answer your question Thank you all the Monsouche Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I do agree with all their person Serda that this issue We've gone over and over and that's why I'd like to make a motion right now to call the question Questions main call Madam clerk, please call the rule. Let's see here. I'm on to mayor No You do not want to call the question and I vote would be to call the question Radke excuse me. Sorry. Yes, Alderman We're we don't need a roll call for calling question. You don't want to roll call. We're gonna call the roll to it's not even a debatable Right So the motion that stands right now is Resby passed Call the question in a vote two-thirds vote We'll call the vote Okay, yes We'll call the roll we'll have a roll call we need a two-thirds vote Alderman and Ben will thank you I just have a question regarding calling the question The attorney McLean Had something to say about this and I was just wondering if this would Influence our decision at all if it was something Then needed to be said before we voted on it Turning the table. Would you like to comment on this hurt? Yes, your honor I was going to comment just on the form of the resolution Alderman van de Wielf and You know, I think I understand what what the intent is here, but the way it's Drafted it's not that clear to me as to what the action would be If this was adopted in other words in the In the title, but the title isn't an operative Provision of the resolution the title says to state that the council has every intention to build a new police facility But the only operative provision forget the where as is Is that the citizens of Sheboygan deserve to know whether or not the council has the direct intent of building a new police facility? To me that kind of begs the question Whether or not the council has the intent of building a new police facility Does the council have that intent? I think that's what you're trying to get at So my suggestion would be to Add a result that basically mimics what your caption is Something to the effect that the council has every intention to build a new police facility I think that's I may be wrong on that, but That's kind of what I read as what you were trying to do by this resolution is to get an expression by the council as to Yes, it intends to build the facility or no, it doesn't and not Just the language in the be it further resolved there to know whether or not the council has the Intent because that that doesn't answer the question that raises the question as to whether you or not you do have the intent to do that So how what would be a good recommendation to all my men will The recommendation would be to amend the document to add a resolved Really in place of the be it further resolved just that the common council has every intention to build a new police facility if I Think that's the intent of what you're trying to accomplish here Do we take a vote on calling the question first or do we withdraw that? Oldman I think the question on the floor is to call the question. Yes, and that's a non-debatable issue you vote And that really resolves that I don't think you can make an amendment per se. This is the superordinate motion Call the question so we're voting on the resolution as it stated no To call the question This is to call the question everybody understand Please please Thank you, I guess what I'm asking is if we want to call the question then we'll make the amendment and then we can vote on the amendment and And the resolution that's my understanding Well, if you if you pass the vote to call the question then the original document as it as it's worded is What stands and that's what you take the next vote on you wouldn't be able to amend the document So we've been in my favor To not call the question Yes, thank you Everybody understand that Okay, madam clerk, please call the roll No Question I. Red key. No. Sigali. No. Stefan. No. Susha. I. Van Akron. No. Vanderheel. No. Bauman. No. Dieberg. No. Eber. No. Serda. No. Davis. No. Graf. No. Hiddleston. No. Manny. No. Enmyer. I. Three I's and 13 No's. Carries. Okay. Alderman Vanderheel. Thank you, Your Honor. I would like to amend the document to read, be it further resolved that the common council has every intention to build a police station. Is there a motion to that amendment? There's a second. Any discussion? If not, Alderman Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. With that, that being said, then all we're voting on is whether or not we are willing to state that we have every intention of building a new police facility. So then the four whereases there really are a new point and they don't mean anything. Exactly. If that's my understanding. Whereases are informational. They're not the operative language that gets adopted, but they give a background as to why you're asking that the resolution be enacted. So they don't add anything substantively to the final document, but they give sort of the sense of the document as to the reasons why the resolution is there. The third whereas, for instance, that no time should the process of building a police facility before completion is determined to be laid. We wouldn't have to worry about it. We wouldn't have to do that if we so choose. If something came up, we would not be bound to do that and repeal this resolution and ask for new resolution or something. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay, we'll take a vote on the amendment. On the amendment. Can I just question Alderman Van Der Wiel? I'm sorry, yes. Alderman Van Der Wiel, I had you say that you wanted to put it in the be it further resolved, but actually, if I'm correct with the attorney that it should be the resolved paragraph. Is that what you meant? It would be just resolve that. Be it resolved. Be it resolved rather than. Graph. Kittleson. And Manny. 16 ayes. Motion carries. I will take a vote on the motion as amended. Alderman Sousha, on your discussion. Yes, thank you. Just to make this crystal clear, I'd like to further amend it to remove the last two whereases. There's a motion and a second to remove the last two whereas. And there's a second. Under discussion. Perfectly all right. The motion will, you want a roll call or I will please call the roll on the amendment to the motion. This would be on the second amendment to remove the last two whereases and I vote would be to remove the last two whereases. Montemayor. Aye. Radke. Aye. Segali. No. Stefan. No. Sousha. Aye. Van Akron. No. Bauman. No. Dieberg. No. Eberg. No. Serda. No. Davis. No. Graf. Aye. Kittleson. No. Manny. Aye. And Meyer. Aye. Six Ayes, 10 Noes. Motion carries. Now we're, what are we? The amendment fails. Yeah. Amid, right. Right. Amid and failed, sorry. Right. Okay, now we go to the original motion as amended. Right, we're back to the original motion as amended by Alderman Van der Wiel, Alderman Manny on the motion as amended. Yeah, I simply want to say that I'm frustrated with the resolution. I feel like the public knows that we intend to build a place, that's not the issue. It's not the intention, it's the possibility financially. Just to put out one detail as a point, a case in point, the new fire station will cost $12,000 to $16,000 extra operational costs per year to run starting 2006 when it's built. A new police station cost us an operational expenses $500,000. There's a huge difference with limits on revenue from the state and our taxing ability. It's a totally different question. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Manny. Please call the roll on the motion as amended. Okay. Who made that motion? The original motion was made by Alderman Van der Wiel. That was the amendment. The original original motion is Van der Wiel and Serta. Can we do that already? Okay, let's back up. Susha Graf amendment to remove the two ware as it's failed. The one prior to that was Alderman Van der Wiel and Serta to amend it to be it resolved. And the original one was Van der Wiel and Serta to pass the resolution. We need a resolution to pass as amended, yes. Which is where we're gonna take the roll, Alderman Serta. Well, we need a motion, yes. This is our final motion. You have to put the motion on the floor first. Then I'll hold off. Okay. Alderman Van der Wiel. Thank you, Your Honor. I'll make a motion to pass the resolution as amended. Okay. Thank you. Just a motion to second to pass the resolution as amended. Under discussion, Alderman Serta. Thank you, Your Honor. And I can appreciate Alderperson Manny's viewpoint on this resolution, but I'll tell you where I'm coming from. To right now tell the citizens that it's a money issue, that we've spent money on a report, what we put the citizens and the police department through, I think at this point, we need to make it work. And I can come back and I can show you how we can do it. But I'm gonna, I'm having confidence in you, Mayor, that you can work the numbers with Rich Gephart and do a service for this whole community and bring us together on this. Thank you, Alderman Serta. Okay, please call the roll. Radke, are you, excuse me? Hi, he said hi. Thank you. Segali? Hi. Stefan? Hi. Susha? Hi. Van Akron? Hi. Vanderweel? Hi. Bauman? Hi. D-Berg? Hi. Eberg? Hi. Serta? Hi. Davis? Hi. Graf? Kittleson? Hi. Manny? No. 12 ayes and four noes. Motion carries. 11, do you have a comment? Alderman Stefan on? No, I'm next time. There's nothing on the floor yet. I'm sorry. For 11.91. Okay. 11.91, a resolution by Alderman Stefan approving the terms and conditions of the ground lease and contract for lease of land between the redevelopment authority and the South Pier District I, LLC. Alderman Stefan? Thank you, Your Honor. I believe I need to move for suspension. Yes. Is there any objection? There's a motion and a second to suspend. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Please proceed. I move the resolution to put upon expassion. I'm sorry. For suspension of the rules. It requires a three-quarter vote but you can move by unanimous consent so you would need to have an objection. Are there any objections to suspension? Let me retract that. There was a motion to suspend and a second. Is there any objection? There being non-police proceeds are you made a motion? Thank you, Your Honor. I would move the resolution we put upon its passage. There's a motion and a second to put 1191 upon its passage under discussion. Basically what this is and Paul enters is here as well as representatives from the development firm. It's the culmination of a lease that we've worked on for a long time. Let's just say I think the council did see a proposal on a project for the rice building in the area next to it. And this is the proposed lease that they've worked out finally. There is some immediacy to it because I'm sure Tom Houlton doesn't wanna spend any more money maintaining the building than we have to and also with building costs going up the sooner we get it started, sooner the thing gets built. So we do have the correct people here. So if anybody has a question, Paul, let's hear. Tom's here and the people from the development corporation are here. Thank you, Alderman Stephan, Alderman Cigali. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If you could please refresh our memories. I'm not sure of what you're saying that we were aware of this already. I'll ask Ms. Enders to please talk to us. That's okay with you. Thank you. Thank you. Paulette, please. Ms. Enders. Thank you, Mayor and Kamen Council. In the Kamen Council did not see a presentation on this project. The redevelopment authority did. And when they made their first initial vote on the project, what happened was it was an open session and then some of this information, it is on the city's website and it was published in the Sheboygan Press. And this is a condominium project in the historic rice building. And also there's the historic portion and then the 1960s addition. That building will have a new facade on it and then the phase two of this condominium project will be a condo townhouse project that will be immediately to the northeast of the building. Any other questions? All in Susha. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have received several calls in regards to that rice property. They bought the building or they're going to be buying the building if you could refresh everyone's memory in regards to the purchase price. Is it a done deal? Is it something coming up? Things like that. Thank you. And it's outlined in the contract for redevelopment and they have to have a certain amount of pre-sales before they actually purchase the building. They'll move into the building, set up their sales center, start the pre-sales, take over the utility costs. And there's a certain period, I think it's until April of 06 that they have to make their pre-sales and then they'll move forward with the closing on the building and the closing, the cost, the price is 50,000 for the building in as is condition. And there are some issues which the developer is aware of, there's asbestos in the building. There could potentially be problems with the elevator. It's an older roof that's been repaired. And at one time they did come back to us and ask for some asbestos costs and we said, no, it's in an as is condition. Ms. Usher, second time. Thank you. I understand the long-term benefits 20 years down the road getting this tax money on the tax base from this project. However, we just got done talking about adding a new fire station and increasing the property taxes. We're still debating about when to build a very expensive police station. And then we turn around and sell a piece of property that the city owns for $50,000. I've received a lot of calls about this and I can't support this for that reason. The purchase price is too low. Thank you. I did take it upon myself to call several real estate realtors that I know and asked them if 50,000 was a fair amount for that building. And every one of them said, you're lucky that you got that much. It would have cost a tremendous amount of money to knock it down and rebuild that thing. Working around is gonna be a huge, huge task. I too was concerned about that price. Quite frankly, I was tempted to buy it myself if I could, which I can't. But I did ask and I was assured that that price is acceptable for the market. Please proceed. Okay, and then if I could also state, as part of the contract for redevelopment, there is a ground lease and the developer will be paying as the other projects are in South Pier, a ground lease price that's consistent with the other shanties on the riverfront area. So it's, there's a purchase price, a ground lease price. And I think that the project is a good project. The developer will be held to a minimum investment on that site. Thank you. Halderman Meier. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Could you tell us currently what this building is costing the city to maintain? If I could ask the time. Please do, Senator. Thank you. Just to heat that building's about $12,000 a year and I believe it was a year before last, we spent about $20,000 on the boiler that was leaking. We had to get it welded up and there's smaller issues with the roof. We had temporary patch on the roof that we spent quite a bit of money on. It was a lot of work that needs to be done on that building. Halderman Ratke. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Back to Ms. Sanders for just a moment. If I could please, you talked about a ground lease. I'm not a real estate expert. Does that mean that they own the building? We still own the ground underneath it, just like anything else down at the riverfront? That's correct. Thank you, Halderman Ratke. Thank you, Ms. Sanders. And again, it's just the final note because I feel it is very important for the mayor to make this comment. I work very closely with Ms. Anders and Mr. Holton. I can honestly say that they're the two most competent people I've ever seen and I've worked with a lot of people in a managerial position and these two persons are hard workers. They evaluate and analyze and they come forth with some good, solid recommendations and they're able to back it up, so thank you. Any further discussion? We are ready to take the roll call. Sigali. Stefan. Hi. Sushia. No. Van Akron. No. Van Der Wiel. Hi. Bauman. Hi. Dieberg. Hi. Eberg. Hi. Serta. Graf. Hi. Kittleson. Hi. Manny. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. And Radke. Hi. Thirteen Ayes, three Noes. Motion carries. Other matters, Attorney McLean, sir. 1192 is a communication from John Ripple, 2330 South 17th Street requesting additional signage to the intersection of Martin Avenue and North 14th Street. That will go to public protection and safety. A communication from William Bogart regarding moving the dog run to the beach frontage at the end of High Avenue as there is plenty of room for parking and plenty of room for dogs to run. That will go to the board of Parks and Forestry. 1194 is a communication from John W. Webb of the Veterans of America, Chapter 18, Sheboygan requesting permission to construct a memorial at Veterans Park to honor all veterans of all wars. And that will be referred to Public Works. 1195 is a communication from Susie Vandewheel of Eris-Bexen-Potier requesting permission to once again hang the sidewalk sale banner across North A Street parallel to New York Avenue during the Harbor Center bid family event on September 24th. And that will go to Public Works. Motion to second. Motion to second. All those in favor, stay high. Aye. Motion to second.