 The hashtag as always is the stan, so many tweets coming in through my handle here at Ramagukwa and the station's handle at Y254Channel. I'm seeing here Kevin Smile KanaSema. We can only speak for ourselves. No one can and will speak for us. I'm seeing arts pattern. KanaSema always watching, loving the candid discussion. Dan Douglas is saying that great words from the panelists. We shall sample more comments as we continue with this conversation. Before we went for the break, we were coming to you. Thank you very much. Topika from where I live. The main challenge you mentioned young parliamentarians. The main problem they are facing is that most of them are trying to confirm to the long-held dogmas and theories and the patterns of what has been there historically. They are not reading that the times of time have changed. How are they confirming? Because you want to be arrested, you want to do something, you want to go and heckle somebody, you want to abuse the president to be seen, to be visible, you are creating negative visibility. So the other thing is that these negative conformity and aligning with the past, we have to elect young people who are cut above the rest. When you go to Bunga, you must find your own space. Don't try to be a copycat. Being a copycat has been a big problem in this republic because we try to copy past what's in already developed economies like America, which is over 100 years old and bringing them into the republic. So we should not confirm to what we see, but we have to be cut above the rest. First forward, for our electorate, we have to be pragmatic like in Muhuroni. You have to choose the kind of person beating msambweni or any part of the country. We have to be pragmatic. The current trend is that we choose whether the cut is black or white, provided it can catch a mice, it's a good cut. That kind of theory is wrong for our republic. As young people we must take our position, we must leave something to be remembered about. We must be different in our time and be the Mandela of today, the Barak Obama of today, the Pyogama Pintu of today, Uru Kenyata of today and Railo Dinga of today. The two, if I'm concluding, the two leaders, Railo Molo Dinga, the prime minister and His Excellency Uru Kenyata, they've already helped our country. That's why I'm telling you we must reach up to the republic all the way to my constituency Mouroni by doing one thing, they've brought peace and tranquility to the republic and we enjoy this, we have to tap into this space as young people and grow the economy. You have mentioned a word, pattern following what has been there. Now there are principles that govern and guides the conduct of public servants and these are clearly stipulated in various articles of the constitution and I would like to start chapter 6. Chapter 6. Good, we are flowing with you. On leadership and integrity which describes that conduct of state officers and chapter 9 article 153 which enumerates responsibility and accountability in the cabinet. Chapter 13, article 232 which calls principle and values of highlights cause principle and values of public services. Now these are things that we can use to have a checklist when it comes to our leaders enjoying that there is integrity and that the core principles are kept in line. Following these articles of the constitution do you believe in your stand that we are being given the perfect example as youths from our leaders. Follow this. Yes and no Ram. Let me tell you something today. Dealing with the youth of this country is very simple. Simple in this fact. Who are the youths? Where are they and where can we take them? Are we together? Youths are speaking one language. Economic empowerment. The youths are just trying to demand for space in this country. And how can they be listened to by our so called leaders? Our leaders who are youths who are representing us now today and I want you to listen to me very carefully. They are being they are not speaking from their own voices they are not speaking from their own stand they are speaking the languages of their political party leaders from the languages of their sponsors. When it comes a time that the leaders of this country will realize that if we give the youth the power and the thought and the importance and the seriousness that they deserve and they cannot do that. Why? Because if they empower the youths the youths will lead this country and will bring forth a revolution. I want you to listen to me very carefully. Please give me space to speak. Ask yourself why the youths today are not being empowered. Ask yourself that simple question Ram. Ask yourself that simple question and it starts from there. You feel they are not being empowered. We have so many projects that have been led by government led initiatives Let me tell you something today the youths are being used to bring forth leaders into different offices Nwa chani kwa mbe hi Itabidi nizungumze kiswa ili nduo begina tu elewan Nizungumze na dada Ni tangali ya nio na mimi nantaka kitiflani Kwa sababu he mentioned something What do you think about today? And our parents depend on the youths Mayut hawanakazi Na youths sisi tu nantaka kupliz We want to please our parents We want to make our parents proud Unapatawana siyasawana kudiyona tupatia Viji pesa tu na sema alhamdu ili lae Leo nita pelikia mamangu shirigi kumi nita pelikia naniyo siptali Aweze ku kuifadika Na mimi na sema hivi His excellency the president of this country to have the thought of the youth at heart Thank you very much for that question As young people we will not wait for anyone to give us our space That's the pattern that we've seen and you asked about patterns This is visible in our country and the only thing we have to narrow down and isolate at least pick one low hanging fruit is to equip our young people with scales We are in global economy Kenya is a giant in this region If you devolve more money down to our counties you are empowering young people You don't need to collect all the young people in the republic and tell them today we want to give you jobs We have to create our jobs Remember our economy is now in our pounds as young people young CEO I have to say that giving young people their space in the country starts with training We have to have more training institutions locally I beg to differ I will give you your training It's always good to have good training because if you train and you have good skills you have a population that you can tap into not only for this region but people who can go and serve out in the world for example the young person went and trained in West Virginia and learnt about 3D printing and went back to Argentina and did print one of a limb for a young girl who did not have limbs and she got back her life So we have to have global thinking and outlook of the world Reach out and narrow down to our small community where people will not only judge you according to your skin color according to your race according to your religion and what you believe in but to the smallest world which is your village your constituency, your university still your voice is hard So the thing that the government needs to do is to amplify the voices that are there Let me amplify the voices of people staying at your constituency, where you're vying 75% of the farmers that depend on sugar can farming We are talking about employment What is the solution in regards to reviving chemilil sugar and muhoroni sugar Thank you very much for the wonderful question The only way to uplift the voices of our mothers down there in muhoroni and our sons and our daughters as a parent first of all we have to list those factories have to add to the voice of our people and the people of muhoroni is that we have to list the factories so that we weed out the cattle that's working in the sugar industry boost production so that a mother down there would only need two trailers to the factories and get her 40,000 shillings she has her scholarship to pay for the children you don't need to depend on basari to take your children to school so we have to list these factories have our own terms and conditions at least have something going better half a loaf as we improve and try to leapfrog muhoroni back to where it was muhoroni was a European settlement scheme well endowed with everything and we call it kanan our prime minister is normally talking about with expansive land we don't need much help what we need is first of all don't inject much money there retrend the thinking and revive our factories we have over five industrial installations within our area we have to agree with the people who are listing the factories that you have to take this percentage of young people and employing the factory you have to give us a certain number of scholarships per year to train our kids to reduce the burden on education you've talked about the young being given something that's what you've talked about let me mention one thing that the young have have been given now president Rukinyata had initiated the national hygiene program popularly known as Kazim Tani with a twin objective to putting food on the table for the youth who have lost their means of livelihood as well as improving health and sanitation in the informal settlement what do you think about this initiative of Kazim Tani what are the hits and misses of this project let us give credit where it's to you Ram that was a very beautiful initiative and as the youth we were very very happy and we even thanked publicly thanked the president for such a wonderful initiative but let us look at what is happening on the ground we can speak on behalf of Samweni Constituency it's not everyone that was the representation of the youths in that program in Samweni Constituency was not in a proper manner it's only the locals it's only the locals who are the digos that were put into that program in Samweni Constituency we have all the 47 tribes I'm having a very hard time as a youth who does not they think that does not come from from Samweni but I'm born and bred there they're telling me that madam the representation here is being biased is it possible for everybody to be represented in that program Ram kumfano pere tu kiyangalia kambilazengine zote tu kiyangalia wale vidya nambu wali chukulio katika Kazim Tani lakini is it possible tukuena wale vidya na wote nakabilazote atakama siwote lakini tukuena baadi pali so you say it is a good initiative people have been taken the youths have been taken but your problem is representation representation equity and inclusivity you had your time and I wanted to tell you Ram I think he spoke for 7 minutes and I am giving it time give me time that is a very beautiful and the question that you asked him about Moroni Sugar and I was so happy that he really expressed himself and he talked about what he needs, things needs to be done about that area and I wish that you ask me the same question with regards to Samweni constituency Ram I was coming there and allow me to answer but let's finish up on the representation because in Taani Palem Samweni constituency inafanyu kwa wabagozi Ram, tulia inafanyu kwa wabagozi tunelewana Palem Samweni constituency tunelsu, mechangulia kusema kuna kabila rubain nasaba tunashukuru mo shimiua raiz that's a very endable repeat lakini kuna kabila rubain nasaba qifue tu palek atika zilewa nizetu tufouti tufouti na faku elewa yakuwa vidya na Palem Samweni Nene mefiwa nili kufata solusiw? Kito mauku wa nene mefiwa nlini kufata solusiw na saisi. Ni kufata sauti. Ni zungomze raise ni elewe. Nirmali wa tuweku pa le chinum sabueni na viyongo ze na gavana wetu. Amburia. Ani elewe na niskize. Ku wahile na ni raise mekudja naioninzu urisana na tunai pena. Namimi mije pena ni kativeha ni mefu yalasulia takamu ya ni uliza ram. Ili onumu liza ni uliza ni kative. Ni iyase ni lia suole lila conditioning? Ayah. What is it that you're going to do in Samweni constituency that will change that area? That is not the question you asked, but let me now speak on behalf of Samweni constituents. First of all, COVID-19 tuliya. COVID-19 imetua tiri sana sisi kama wanam Samweni pali. Kwa sababu tunategemea blue economy tunategemea utali. Tunelewana. Ni omilangu komoshimiwa rais kama COVID-19 inendelea kuisha. Vidye nawe tu anafakua na ufahamu ya kuwa vidye nawe tu weengi wome poteza kazi ram. Kwa sababu vidye nawe tu weengi wole kwa mea diriwa kazi mautelini. Namimi na takaku leta solution, na na takaku leta wazo. I don't want to just put forth problems. Moshimiwa rais shulezine na kufunguliwa. Tunataka door-to-door campaign ikuwe inafanywa na mayut. Kando na kazi mtaani atafute mayut. Namimi na Zungumziyam Samweni constituency wafanya door-to-door campaign. Yakui miza watotuwe tu warudi shuleni. Pili. Minister of Agriculture, COVID-19 kuwanza. Wali kuwa nataka kwanzisha mradi kulelamu. Yakuleta wapemba siyui miyamode siyui nishirini kupele kava vovi deep sea. Di yawawa eze kupata ile halia uvovi wavu eza makia kutuja. Tuna sema wahanze na msamboni kwa sababu msamboni miyateri kaza hidi. Kuliko. Kuliko enewzote. Zote skweli sisi countitano tunanipendi yabluha ekonomi. Laki ni mihili ni wazo mi mi na... Nadi tetea mi mi kama mbungi wapale. Let's not take away kwanza. Kama miyumbi. Nime tumo mi mi nizungumzi na nipaze sauti. Kwa hiyo kwanza tuangali wale vidyana walo poteza kazi. Wapatiwe kazi. Nara isi staki kumpati ya kazi kufikiri yama mbungi. Do to do. Tuanze campaign nasim msamboni peki ya ke kenyanzima. Anafu tunataka tu revive pale blue economy. Tule tere sisi... Wakimalizana na lamu wakuji msamboni wakuji kwale. Tupele kwa vovi deep sea. Wafu ni she vidyana wetu. Wale te kazi kwa vidyana. Nami mi sita choka kupigenia vidyana na kuzungumzi a vidyana ram. Wasababu sisi... Kanda na vile wana zungumzi wana tere sisi tumiyamu wakama vidyana. Tunataka kuni tegeme ya. Hati ta kisi sisi kulete wa lete wa utuko saniti kibula. Let me come to you Dr. Samuel. Kazim tani initiative. What are your thoughts in regards to that? This is a good initiative and we have to thank the president and the leadership. It's good to give a thumbs up where it belongs. One thing about this is it's not a new thing. We saw Kazim tani when president Kibaki was in power and this is another form. The thing is that in our country and the world, I like talking about the world because we are global leaders, we don't have to only think locally, is that our country is on wrong footing for the young people because there is no meritocracy when we are selecting even the people who are handling Kazim tani. Meritocracy selecting people on merit to look at the resources that we have. There's no pragmatism. The same issue that she raised. Yes, I'm still on my point. There's no pragmatism and our big hedge, which is honesty in Kenya. We're not honest in some quarters. So for honesty which I will emphasize on is that honesty is linked to corruption. Every young person in this republic wants to own an apartment in Karin. They want to fly choppers. They want to be dollar billionaires and that's why we are seeing COVID millionaires and billionaires. So we have to talk about the big hedge which is corruption. It's dogging our community. It's malignancy, it's a form of malignancy and the cancer that we have to weed out. So Kazim tani, if we pump more money into it but we should not wait for government. As young people who travel the globe and we know and we know our resources, most of our MPs are sleeping. The only charge and discharge I'm giving 120 million to serve my people after that it ends. A good leader must think of how to use the letterhead and rubber stamp to get extra money through looking for grants. A grant is knocking at all. You can go to Safariko and talk with them and tell them I need scholarship for 7 kids that is using your letterhead and rubber stamp well to collect resources. So you must use your rubber stamp and letterhead to collect extra away from what you have to do what you want. Otherwise we had times as a republic we have to allow the president with what he's doing he's supporting, he's trying his best. We are facing a global pandemic. We are only 7 months into the pandemic. It's like flying a plane and building it at the same time. So just as I conclude for the president they are trying their best but our leaders must be creative use your rubber stamp and your letterhead to get more money to your people. You've talked about using your rubber stamp and your letterhead to get more money for your people using what you have to get what you want. Let me talk about using the utes. How is it that we can be able to avoid misuse and abuse of the youth as it has been normalized in most of the political seasons by politicians in order for them to gain political mileage? It's simple. Empower them economically. That is a topic that you people don't like talking about. To mese mohapa. Empower them economically. Come on. Listen when you empower one economically we will not be speaking about basariz because if I want to take my child to America to study there it's possible because I have money in my pocket. If I want a youth to stand for him or herself and campaign without the interference of other political bigwigs it's possible because this youth has money in his or her pockets. But that is a topic that we don't like talking about Ram. But then how is it that we can be able to get the youth to be able to avoid being blitesided by short term needs? What are the policies we put across? For example, our political parties I have said this before. When we are talking about the two thirds general let us also include the topic of the youth being included. The topic of inclusivity and equity especially for the youth let us not only bring up this topic because you know two thirds general it's women now. Let us talk about the youth whole sumly. The office of the registrar of political parties what role does this office these bodies play? For example, you understand? For the youth. It starts with that. Dr. Samuil, you are taken to this using youths for political mileage. Is it possible for us to avoid such a thing? She has talked about empowerment. Empowerment is a broad term global term that has never been achieved. We have to look at the realistic side of life and we look at a political statement and look at a religious statement. So the term empowerment has been used in a vague manner by the political class and that's quite cynical and it has really harmed it's really pushed down our self-esteem as young people and make us believe in populist kind of politics. So populism is what's actually directing young people into that kind of lifestyle to be utilized. So for example in my hometown Muhoroni the beautiful Canon that we have we the first thing to make to protect our young people from this is to make our community attractive. What do I mean by saying attractive? The coastal region is all about tourism. In my hometown we have waterfalls, we have the hometown Kisumu, we have like Victoria, we have so many other tourist attractions. So if you attract places then we look at countries that have not done any miracle to make their countries attract, look at Rwanda as a country as I conclude on that. Rwanda is a small country with over 1000 hills but they've positioned and coined the right term we are the cleanest city Kigali in Africa. We are the haptic of Africa. Dubai positioned themselves as the biggest, the largest, the tallest but they did not have anything and that has made people to stream into their country. So to link it to young people if we make our communities attractive by making people to move attract business to our communities young people will become busy they are more informed, they have more information we have more business and we have policy based politics and not populism. How then, you've mentioned being informed knowledge is power empowerment a young man may have the empowerment but let me bring in one final aspect political parties they are empowered yes but do they have the independent mind or the independent ability to do what they want with the knowledge that they have? You know and this is my opinion our political party the famous political parties that you have and that is the already democratic movement at the Jubilee party I don't think they trust the youth that much and I think it is time that they need to realize that all the fresh minds and all the fresh ideas and the ideologies that will change this country are with the youth but there is interference but there is interference and that is interference is the one that we are trying to and for example for the bi-elections in Samweni news is everywhere that some people from other counties are trying to interfere there and I'm going back to the same message that I was trying to put forth before my colleague has been putting bringing big big grammar in English but the youth need to listen need to hear very simple message empowerment, employment and maybe education and you know how he said empowerment is broad are we together? that interference need to be stopped our political parties need to build trust in the youth today because we have fresh ideas and we mean well for this country all these things that we are talking about have been tried and tested before all these leaders that you are seeing in parliament and everywhere they have been used before but we need to ask ourselves one simple question what is it what is the narrative that they were trying to sell in their time has anything changed? for example Ram let us look at the employment opportunities that are there today for you to be employed as a youth you are being told when you are applying you need to have 10 years experience as a 22-year-old fresh from the university and these are the things the youth want to hear when my brother is talking about Rwanda talking about where and where he needs to start from where he is right now he needs to speak the language that his constituents will listen to and will understand because of the ages of time I would like you to have one word as you wrap it up and then we get we head over to the tweets just in the next 30 seconds to wrap it up in brief ok you cut me short but because you say the 30 seconds now as a politician and as an aspirant from Samweni yes wrapping it all up this is what I wish to say we are requesting his excellency Raila Amolo Odinga as our party leader ODIM we have four aspirants who are vying for the seat now Samweni parliamentary seat we do not need interference from anywhere we know ODIM is about equity we know ODIM is about equality and most of all ODIM is about justice we want a fair playing ground we have our people on ground who are rooting for us and we will make the party proud sasahivi tuna yua ODIM pale tungu kwa na mombomegi sana na kama Raila Amolo Odinga kweli eie anatupena sisi kama onam Samweni awache Sauti Amweni pale itawale sisi tuna support BBI mimi personali na support BBI lakini BBI isi poguzia maneno yaiut nita kwa mojewapu awali wata pinga BBI sisi hatutaki kumpinga Raila Amolo Odinga lakini tuna taka azungungze maswala yaiut niki malizia tuna taka apropo handshake tuna taka rais anapo andeleya kumaliza wamuiaa kikama rais tuna taka apropo handshake between Raila Amolo Odinga William Samoe Ruto na uhuru mugei kenyata hatutaki awache inch ikiwa katika halia funyo iki gawanyo katika misingia kikamila katika misingia funyo na katika misingia hiwa mawa nagyere muku leta en rege must continue rege must continue thank you very much talk fast forward for a few minutes about the question you've asked I want to assure my colleague, mother Miriam English is our talent as people from the lake so don't worry about the English we speak it's a queen's language we speak so talking about the party I'm a life member of ODM and we're in ODM to stay we are looking forward to a good contrast the difference between me and my sister is that she's already facing an election right now we are noted fire brand and charging we are still talking policies once you were talking about ODM has good structures for young people to thrive but interference will never end they are like patents in the world I'm a scientist patents right now you see people hacking even the American election right now I saw in CNN that there are thousands of millions of hackers who are waiting to hack into their system and influence election so we have to only prepare and be psychologically strong for interference by being more adaptable as young people if we cannot join the system and be more adaptable learn because we have more information as I conclude we have to be more adaptable do our research and embed ourselves in the system we are asking the prime minister Raila Molo-Dinga give us a fair election with the new board we have faith in you that you are going to do it but whether they are going to deliver it your guess is as good as mine now thank you very much at Elijah Wangari and I said we need jobs we need employment we need industries we need talent development in machinani we need youth based policies we have been overused by politicians in the name of empowerment let them now create industries and thus employ us at Sam Luli Kazim Taniwa was a very good initiative by the president we were very happy about it but what is happening in Samboni is that only youths from one tribe are being considered while all the tribes in Kenya live in Samboni we have at Elijah he is saying Nobel Prize winner Professor Oluwole Siyonka says that it is only in Africa that thieves regroup to loot again as the youths whose future is being stolen clap I have a message here saying Frank saying move on Daktari and take over Mouroni I have your votes here you are a subman we can bring change in Mouroni let me get one more tweet here at Charlotte Charlotte is saying my namesake is doing quite well very vocal in her words very good discussion the hashtag is the stand I wish you guys well thank you so much that brings us to the end of this evening conversation tonight it has been a pleasure having you see you again next week remember leadership is not given it is taken God bless you have a good night