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You guys heard about that? Batman clown Batman. Yeah Batman Batman versus clown Starring Jack Nicholson Starring Denny DeVito Starring Danny DeVito is clown men who stare at clowns It's an underappreciated film a little project that he did before he was man we know him as today Yeah, we we got Mr.. Ralph the movie maker made a video on Joker and Apparently, it's it's real like it's not a joke And I know how that sounds like oh very funny. It's like no seriously like a lot of people will like it's a joke and so Me and Rags were like, oh, okay, you know you check out the video and there's there's a hint of it Like we'll go over this like this. There's some stuff in there like oh, this must be a joke, but apparently it's real Ralph Tested by it and that's fine There'll be plenty of Opinions to go over and it's gonna be entertaining but you know in the time that we were waiting to discover whether or not this was 100% a realism We did our our movie homework. Did we not rags? We did do our movie homework. We did we spent many hours with our homework We watched some movies we watched who watched all the movies that people say that the Joker is just a rip off of I guess do you want to go through them? We we start with taxi driver, right? Yeah, we started off with taxi driver Wouldn't all that good? It was it was kind of I guess again I mean Definitely not definitely one of the weaker ones we watched it was certainly my least favorite of all the ones we watched Didn't think it was all that great We should probably try and do it. I mean we we've got time we could do a bit of detail if you want so Yeah, oh, um, I thought the pacing was really bad I thought that there were a bunch of redundant scenes that simply weren't necessary or didn't serve much of a purpose The writing was really clunky in a lot of parts. I think the protagonist motivations were very very lacking He didn't even seem like a real person in fact The they just did really didn't really didn't care for it So many people No, I know it's funny. That's all like so but my issues with taxi driver I think it drags parts and that I really don't like Travis Bickel And I know that that's not was like like who cares if you like when I was like, oh well I mean anything with them. I guess yeah, what I'm what I guess I'm referring to is strictly my my engagement with the the story of being that I I Struggle to empathize this situation because he's kind of an ass and then a bit of an idiot as well like You might you might be like, how does this not apply to Joker? It's like, oh, I guess we have to get into all of these these little interesting tidbit tidbits, but His I guess the film is about him trying to find Motivation as in to do he doesn't know what he wants to do specifically. He wants to do something and Bouncing between a lot of different things because the the representation of what it's like to be a man a man with with plenty of drive but nowhere to I guess direct it And so like there's the influence there's the approach with the nightlife the This he describes the world as like scum. I guess he's referring to pimps and the I guess this some I don't know. I can't remember specifically what he says prostitutes definitely seem sexual and drug related he's got yeah, yeah, and He wants Palantine to be the one to to clean it up until I Guess because this is the thing. There's there's lots of bits them. I guess You have to watch some video essays to be clearer on but that didn't seem to work out for us They just weren't really they weren't really well reasoned But it's just we the the way that it describes why he does the thing that he does and the way that it tries to elaborate on His motivations is really poor To the point where I was I was really wondering in a way that I never had to do with Joker I was wondering why is he doing any of this? This seems to be in fact counter to what you would expect him to do or what he seems like he would do Just not Yeah, I might say I guess I take a softest stance to you though. I actually think it's pretty well made I just don't like it that much. Well, it's well made in the sense that Like I talked about like shots and cinematography and Execution of everything or well even even he is a character being this this this essentially a There I say creature. That's just looking to find something to work with he's bouncing between lots of different ideas there's this shaky ground in terms of understanding exactly What drives into each position? But like, you know looking at even discussions and reviews people argue to this day about exactly why he does everything He does in that movie Oh, I have a story here. I Quite finds I find the idea that he was looking to Commit to what could be considered a like a terrorist type plan with the with Palantin being redirected into Attacking that the pimps Being considered a hugely heroic act By a general audience when it wasn't necessarily exactly what would have happened had he been successful with Palantin is quite interesting I guess Look at the situation of how different things can happen And the the implication being that he's like a ticking time bomb and that this is only gonna happen again because he's He's so lost in terms of what he's supposed to do with his life I don't know. There's there's his elements to it that I do find interesting and performances the As as put lots of different direct directorial Elements, I just my issue is such a difficulty in connecting with Travis Bickel. I just don't like him I'm sorry. He's an ass. Yeah, really really tough to grasp His thought process and why he does the things he does Not terrible I just I just thought someone said you're not supposed to like him. How many video asses did we watch where they said? He was relatable. He's relatable understandable Us liking him is what like drives us like they would argue the liking him is a big part of why the film is well written Is that it makes a horrible person likeable or something? I was just like, oh, I think at least two of the video essays that we watched Said pretty much that you're supposed to really connect with him He's so empathetic and you could just be usually level with them He's like you could see yourself in his shoes, but if that was the case that they failed miserably He didn't like a human being very Blank distant he had no real He didn't seem like a human being And I think they were trying to translate that through a lot of his dialogues while he struggles to maintain a lot of conversations and a especially with The girl in the coffee shop with Even with Palantine, he's blank for a lot of it until the end part Yeah, Palantine seems to be sort of like giving him some looks like you're a weirdo, but sure that sort of thing Even when he's with the other cabbies. He's just there Like he couldn't communicate very well, but he didn't seem to have any interests Film music literature There was just nothing that he just didn't he just seemed empty, you know almost like he was representative of something instead of a character a Person yeah out of all of the pro tags of all of the films we watched he would be my my least Understandable and and likable for me Oh, I couldn't I didn't like him at all. There was nothing to like about him There is nothing to grasp on to nothing to relate to him with really But well, I was just gonna say cuz Mel you've seen it as well. What's it? Do you have any thoughts about taxi driver? Well, it's been a while now that I watched it That's why I actually asked yesterday if I want to I should rewatch it now. I'm kind of feel bad that I didn't I don't know I Don't think it's super good as well. It's like I'm happy. I've watched it just for comparison But it's nothing I would watch ever again to be honest. Yeah, I wouldn't Doesn't have like this this Romantic thing going on with the girl and I don't know Whatever they do the the political stuff Yeah, yeah And that's just it's probably when he tries to get her into like a porn cinema. Yeah, like, oh, yeah Which is like clearly not not right Right minds. Well, I think it's supposed to just be a representation of how his brain works because at first He's like she's a normal people. She's an angel. No one can touch her. Yeah, who and then the second The it goes wrong with there. He's like she's like all the rest Yeah, exactly So it's more like a it's that one's more of an in-cell movie than the Joker or they about I Would say I guess taxi driver would be by default because I don't even see how Joker is in any way Quite clear with how Joker is an in-cell movie it's About a guy. Oh Got it. I just find it funny the in-cell movie should be a genre. It's like, oh, yeah On Netflix and all this required is male protagonist that we don't see have sex at any point Crazy and violent too. Yes Diehard in some movie. He doesn't have sex in the movie Okay, makes a psychological thriller action thriller in self-thriller. There we go. That's what you want to see Which which was next was it falling down Falling down was the one that we watch next and I enjoyed it much more Oh, I don't even know what much did that one is. So the falling down is about The main main character has Let's just say you I'm gonna describe this and you'll be like, oh, I can see how this is considered related to Joker So it's characters lost his job his mother is well I was about to say overbearing, but I guess we don't get to know a lot about that But lives with his mother His mother isn't overbearing. I would say that it's kind of the opposite in She seemed though the mother seemed to be afraid of him Like she knew that he was prone to just snapping She displayed to the detectives to the police officers there She displayed a real sense of fear that they were there a lot of apprehension when they went into his room She said, you know, don't tell him I let you in here and all that sort of stuff So she clearly was had a had a level of fear about him So what a chat said in cell doesn't mean what you think it means Wallace like it voluntary celebrate I'm joking that all you need to do to be labeled An in cell movie now is to have a male character who's not having sex at the time of seeing them in the movie That seems to be all that You know, but but maybe there's more to it because because the effect that he imagines a girlfriend in Joker That's enough to be like see it sell. It's like Okay, all right And Someone said I have a bad take on joke taxi driver. I'm just like not really bothered. Nothing. I said was untrue either of us Yeah, neither of us. I mean we could back up what we said. I Watched it. I've paid a lot of attention Kind of feel like my time was wasted. We even watched three guides to the movie Yeah Which would be awkward because they got a couple of facts wrong several times We had to correct the video essays about them because they were just objectively making wrong statements about it I just didn't my chalk Just didn't didn't like it. I but I know I could tell by a watched it Yep, I can see why this is one of the sacred cows but oh, well, that's that's the one thing that I recognize much like The Godzilla fan base or certain certain other events of a e-fabs history to criticize taxi driver is you're not allowed to do that, but We'll just happily move on. It's like, oh, well, you know, that was that falling down doesn't have that kind of Like like defensive shields hardly. No, it's especially because it's a Joel Schumacher film Which he's nowhere near as respected as Scorsese but I Prefer falling down. I Actually very much understood everything pretty much definitively and you can tell that there's a lot in that movie that's littered in to try and Just represent everyday life for the I Guess living the American dream quote-unquote, but the the I think I think it could work with American beauty as in the film of just being like It's supposed to be working, but it's not that sort of thing And just all of the the issues you'll discover over time in in your lives that can be related to the one that I just I just really like was the because they're all good I think to a degree but the the construction workers just the immediate like You guys are wasting time and you waste time because you need to waste time to get better contracts in future If you take longer and need more money to do x y and z then they'll give you more in future or maintain the same And so all of this is just bullshit and you're making everybody late and you're cutting off Good roads and he just has an rpg or or bazooka or whatever and he just There's a lot of Obviously he's reckless as hell, but the the movie ramps up with every scenario Starting out quite calmly with traffic. Yeah Yeah, it starts off with traffic very relatable moves over towards overpriced items in a little supermarket a little corner store At very very relatable stuff, and then it just goes up and up and up um, he's certainly a lot more empathetic Certainly a lot more relatable than travis bickle is um Well, see I think that a lot of people would Consider the difference between those two is one's a film the other one's more of an art film Taxi drivers more of a um much higher higher tier of movie. It's much more respected um falling down is much more of a casual movie that has a lot of casual traits, I suppose, but I I've been seeing a lot of um uh strong Feelings for for falling down a lot of people seem to like it. Um, which is interesting Have you seen the character before I just googled it really quickly? I'm definitely I've definitely seen that Character somewhere before I mean, it's a it's a nice Tragic little story. I think I think what brings it all together is the um when he looks at his tapes of himself with his family and how he can see himself Being overtaken by temper That's brought on the implication is that it's brought on by all of the little things in life Everything just getting to him slowly and the Um, he uses the small amounts of money that he has to support his family to buy things and and provide for them and if they if they aren't enjoying it or Using it it's making him more and more frustrated because that's how everything's supposed to work that sort of thing and so you could just I don't know understand his frustration and uh You get a B plot of of understanding the cop that takes him down the whole time as well Yeah, they mesh really well together. I uh, I thought that the the the cop and the protagonist Thought they I thought both their stories kind of running parallel was done Really well and both well acted and you're glad that things kind of turn out the way that they do and Wraps everything is wrapped up fairly neatly, but the dude in the um, the the uh, What was the store called the the type of store? The the nazi the nazi dude. Oh like army surplus story. That was the one. Yeah, he was uh, he was a bit weird Yeah, kind of kind of weird kind of a weirdo guy Uh, but yeah, he it all gets sorted out. Uh, so there was that one then then uh king of comedy was after that, right? After that we watched king of comedy which I liked quite a bit. I really like king of comedy I guess to be simplified king of comedy is about a an aspiring comedian who idolizes a talk show host Um, and he's trying to find any way he can to break out and I don't know live the dream of being a successful comedian and The film sort of he tries a lot in the film leading ultimately up to kidnapping said, uh The movie starts off with uh with him really wanting to willing to start off the bottom sort of He starts off the bottom. He's wants to get into to show business with um, it's his name, uh, jerry jerry Jerry louis Well in real life in in in the film is jerry langford. I think Yeah, jerry langford. That's it And then he tries to get in with him and tries to get uh, he gets obsessive and you get to see jerry langford's uh His lament about being famous. He's always being troubled and assaulted and all that good stuff uh, but the thing is He doesn't um, the main character does get what he wants in the end his his kidnapping play works after that He he writes a book gets a million dollars. It's uh, it's kind of the opposite What the kind of um, I got a dark version or the inverse version of the your traditional american dream Where you how you work you uh, we work hard and you work Dilligently and then you achieve your dreams. He just kind of skipped to the top and committed a crime Ladies only committed a crime and then got rewarded with everything he wanted and I find like interesting movie one of the most subversive parts of that movie is the fact that his set isn't too bad Like the jokes he actually delivers once he gets on there. It's like oh pretty good. Yeah You expect it to be terrible and horrible and cringy and awful, but the jokes are actually pretty good He kills it on stage everyone laughs everyone loves him And I thought that was going to turn out to be one of those uh, those elaborate fantasies. He has but As opposed to artha fleck. He actually is in control of his fantasies. He knows when he's doing them So it turned out to be actually real which was interesting. I did not see that one coming that one Actually successfully severed my expectations. I didn't expect it either. It caught me off guard And I was like, oh wow and then when we watched it again It was the when we watched it today. That was the second time I'd seen it So all of that stuff was recontextualized and we picked up a lot of you know How the dialogue was very interesting now that we knew that you know It was on his head and stuff like that and it it it owes itself to a second viewing that I think is really well written Well, I recommend it and because they built up the entire movie that he's going to be this He's this guy who's a who thinks he's a big shot Very first thing we see him say or one of the first things we see him say is that I know I'm dynamite I know I'm really good and uh, you know, we we have the same vision of him as Probably the the comedian character the Jerry character and that oh, yeah, he just thinks he's good He's not really that good. He's an amateur. He's just starting out. He needs to start at the bottom work at the comedy clubs And then he turns in his video or not video tape But his tape of his set and they said yeah, you got some good things in there, but it's polishing so obviously by the very end by the time he gets on the stage it's you're kind of set and Ray to hear his cringy jokes, but he kills it. He's really good You know, it's uh, he he succeeds. It's um, it's worth mentioning though that with that film and taxi driver and joker There's still discussion to this day despite what the creators say about each film that uh, whether or not the endings are all real or not and now taxi driver, uh I believe the producer act Robert De Niro and Scorsese have all said it's real but people still say that it's a it's a fantasy at the end because he actually died Or that he's actually in jail And that he sees himself as the hero and that's why he's imagining it. Um for joker, it's it's for joker it's take any selection of the movie and It could be real could be not The whole thing could be real could be not like a lot of people are running with that and then with king of comedy. It's that um, he never Well, um, I guess it's like he may never have left jail and that um, yeah He was never successful and that there are there are visual cues to imply that he may very well still be in jail Or that it is real It's it's very It's it's you know, it's interesting to talk about in terms of what the references may or may not show But I don't I don't find it useful to just be like was it all the dream. I don't know moving on You're like, oh, okay I personally disliked that whole it was all the dream thing I prefer to be to be real if I can uh, if it can be argued that the whole thing was real but within the the case of um of Putton I think what that's his name he has after keep you getting his name but the the main character putton He is he we get to see him. He has a very vivid Imagined he has a very vivid imagination. He has very vivid fantasies and we get to see him are like kind of playing one out as if um He and the comedian character the gerry character were friends and colleagues And he gets so into it that uh, he kind of disregards real life So it could be argued on that note that the very end all of that All of his success his million dollar book deal his uh him having his own Comedy set and people introducing him and people loving him in his red suit That's uh, that could be yet another elaborate fantasy that is actually foreshadowed in the beginning of the movie So it could be argued that it's real it could be argued that's not real It's both could be plausible and I would say that of the three The most ambiguous ending like if you were gonna say of all the three if the the three endings were A dream or a hallucination or whatever I think king of comedy is the one you could most justify with it. Yeah For a taxi driver, I don't think you really could much at all for joker I don't think you could either especially when it pulls away from his perspective to Thomas and thomas's wife the the wanes getting killed Yeah, he I don't think he would he certainly wouldn't imagine her getting killed He wouldn't want that we see him Uh sparing people who are nice to him. That's kind of his whole deal. He has a system. He has a structure Nah, but with king of comedy you're like, uh, maybe maybe uh, maybe this is all I like the I think it's It could happen. I think that if someone managed to Bar to their way onto a thing with like kidnapping or blackmail away on whatever Uh, the if they had a good enough set that they'd have enough fans to pull them back into the uh the spotlight Possible and yeah, rupert pubkin is his name and pubkin's name rupert pubkin. That's it. They pronounce it wrong throughout the film It's a good running joke. Because Mr. Pumpkin is here pumpkin, yeah And pipkin and stuff like that One thing I really liked about his character rupert pumpkin's character was that he'd never changed his demeanor really But he went from a guy you saw as a normal enthusiastic guy who's really energetic really passionate about his his chosen path of comedy being a comedian like the like jerry And without him changing his demeanor he goes from A guy you might see as just endearingly enthusiastic and endearingly passionate There's someone who's insane by the time he does the kidnapping portion of it he's um the the part that really like sells that pubkin has uh problems to me is um when because I think one of the first illusions we see uh there's like Freedoms to to imagine that it might actually be happening, but it's a bit confusing But then once you discover it's like oh none of these are happening like they're very vivid and um I think that so the first so you him getting in the car with him That is I understand supposed to be real. Yeah. Yeah, that's the interaction that he uses with his obsessive mind to base everything else on um, he he hangs on to it and it essentially is the The spark that starts everything becoming just worse and worse And um, you get the one where he's like talking to him about how he should come to his house And stuff And then he actually turns up there with it with a girl who's who's not it or the delusion So she's like wait what? Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Your your friends with this really famous person and uh, all of a sudden No, he's not really they're calling the cops And he's like, yeah, you know, you're just like all the rest you're a terrible person immediately turns on him instead of him being like a hero um Yeah, and then when that's when it gets cranked up to kidnapping which uh Is he carries out with like like a literature devil said his his demeanor doesn't really change for the whole thing He has this very cool collected kind of aloofness Um, he it's almost just like well, I guess the next step is kidnapping and he's he's very logical kind of he's sure that he's good So he just needs his break. That's that's all this is he's he's just certain that as long as he gets people to listen Do his jokes give him a chance that he'll be successful and it turns out he was And I think the fact that his Routine that's shown at the end being so good. It kind of indicates him in a way where you feel like Okay, uh Rupert has he actually is good and maybe that's part of it that really frustrates him Like he he has an out he of all these guys. He really does have an understanding of good comedy And that's one of the reasons why he feels so frustrated why he feels like he needs to go to these extreme lengths Because he knows in his head that my stuff really is good He's not just being denied for For the lack of talent it is Simultaneously a bit of a crazy person as in for what we see Yes, it was a bit crazy as well. Um, that's what mixes it. Yeah, no, it's why I I do like that movie quite a bit um very interesting idea to Like the the whole film focused around just a character who wants to be a successful tv host like Um, and I think when I'd first seen it. I didn't expect him to freaking kidnap him I was like, whoa. Oh, no. Yeah, because he seems kind of meek, you know, he doesn't seem Like he doesn't seem too confrontational at least not to that degree Um, but he never comes across as malicious if anything comes across as desperate and he doesn't want to hurt anybody um He just really feels like this is the the last option for him to see his dream happen And then uh, you were never really there. That was the The other one that was the other one. Yeah, I'd say that's probably the most art film out of the four actually Uh, if we're gonna that genre is ill-defined as it is Yeah, so that's a movie about an ex veteran who takes what you could call like wet work jobs to try and rescue It's complicated because we don't know exactly but we see him The job that we see in the film is he's trying to rescue a little girl from being like essentially sex trafficked I think And You know throughout the film you discover more and more of his his past that brought him to where he is more about himself and uh There's a bit of a subversion in terms of there's like a final fight, but it doesn't end the way you'd expect because the um The girl in question, I don't know how much I should say so I don't know how many people have seen it, but uh Uh, the reason why it's Relevant is it's a film with walking phoenix with mental illness A mental illness and he lives with his mother like that is the um the connective Issue to joker I imagine but um, again, I don't know if we've specified this yet But these films are all extremely different from joker. Uh, yeah, which would you say is the closest to joker? um It's not uh This is the thing I suppose you could pull pieces out of all of them Yeah, there's pieces in all of them. Um I would say that king of comedy is the closest to joker, but that's not saying a lot because it's I have to say that There are several several parallels between kingdom comedy and the story of our arthur flick and the joker. I mean the Rupert pump pupkin lives. I mean he kind of he lives with his mom. It's very clear. He goes he has these elaborate fantasies Uh, he wants to actually Is it clear that he really lives with his mom? Well, we ever hear is her voice. We don't ever actually hear her voice. He might and you know, there is that um There's a fact that he made that joke during his set That uh, you know, he's been dead for nine years So he she might be dead and there's might she might just be an illusion But um, he his mother is a factor in there like uh, she's just somewhere in his mind somewhere So there's a the mother factor Uh that she's still with him and then there there's a fact that he wants to uh, he has an obsession over a talk show host stand-up comedian sort of character But their motivations are different Their goals are different But I could see a lot of parallels between the two characters and the their two characters journeys Yeah, I think there's the closest uh, it's closest there. Yeah, but um, man, are they different though? Like First of all, just just go as far as being like joke is clearly on a um a more murderous uh path let's put it that way uh, because The conclusion for both characters is dramatically different the world they're living in is dramatically different the uh motivation Is both similar and different as in uh, both aspiring comedians, but uh that is and That stays uh rupert's motivation and conclusion with the film, but but jokers evolves, uh so I think uh Rupert pumpkin his goal his entire goal Is to become famous so that you can all the dreams you see him have can come true He wants he has a very um very vivid imagination We can see vividly all the things he wants to happen. He wants to become famous He wants all the people who uh disliked him or wronged him to just come back and apologize To acknowledge to him that they were wrong for doubting him to marry the woman of his dreams all the good stuff joker Arthur fleck on the other hand, he's not really looking for fame specifically He is looking for meaning in his life some sort of identity and that plays into the main themes of the joker movie Yeah, um, and I get well I was gonna say I didn't mean to skip over you were never really there but that is uh I just I don't know it feels like out of the out of the four that we've got over That's probably the one that people haven't seen the most and so I just I just figure that it's Probably better not to say to put a feed on it's a It's rather non-linear and the interesting thing that I found was that um It was almost recommended right by several people, but if you look at the reviews for it that that film has been quite uh Uh Beaten let's say like people People are very unhappy Yeah, um, I didn't dislike it though. Um, no, I didn't dislike it. I was actually quite hooked uh for a while I was too, yeah and and Joaquin does does fantastically in it, uh portraying this this because A lot of the film is is very focused on on abuse and what it does to a person it's very clear in the protagonist and the um The the the gill in question the gill attempted to be saved again. I'm just trying to avoid going any further than that, but um Check it out people. It's gonna it's gonna pop up from what I know because the these are the films that are all referenced by ralph to be interested we can we can talk more about them as we um Get there. Also, it's called you were never really here. I think I may have said They I don't even remember what the name of it was it's um The shout out to I conquer in the chat. He said actually bugs life is just a worse seven samurai There you go, never really thought about that way, but I guess you could make that argument. Yeah Well, I suppose that'll bring us nicely into the next topic that we should probably go over Which is what is the difference between referencing something being an homage to something being inspired by something and ripping off something Uh, apparently if you hate something it's ripped they ripped it off if you like something it was inspired by And depending on how broad you are you can start to connect basically anything like uh What film am I describing a a group of uh individuals work together to go on an adventure to prevent a dark force from essentially brightening its stranglehold over the world Ah lord of the rings. Nope star wars every movie ever And obviously you might be like that's way too broad. I'm like, well, I don't know It feels like uh people get very broad when it comes to claiming uh rip offery for for a lot of stuff um Captain marvel That yes, I described captain marvel the the team are captain marvel and fury and the dark force is Uh, what's his name jude law? He's the Stranglehold over the world Someone said incredibles the warriors ghostbusters Suicide squad I think lord of the rings is probably the most the thing you'd expect especially because it's because I said dark I think most people would be like, ah mortal Oh, that's what I was thinking you said a group of individuals also known as a group Yes That was almost misdirection. I was just like trying to extend it Like imagine multiple individuals Many of them more than one Um varying heights So, yeah, uh, I guess the question becomes because there there are a couple videos that uh believe joker is uh blatantly stolen from scorsese Um others feel that it's simply inspired and taking from great works You know just moving and that's what um A lot of people whenever you do an analysis of star wars people always want to mention the the flash gordon cereals or the influences from Uh, japanese movies plus a combination with western iconography and stuff like this and do you like did you rip those things off? You're like, no, no They never say that in a derogatory way if they say it was inspired by right Well, uh, and that's the interesting thing because we agree that ripoffs are a thing, right? So What what movies are ripoffs and I assume one of the first things people are gonna want to reference is like lying king to um Kimba the the white wolf or whatever. What the? Yeah, as far as I haven't seen kimba But I hear it's a ripoff. Yes, um, I keep hearing yeah heard the same thing Is you never hear it was it was a a an homage you never hear that it's a a Or even a retelling. It's just like not I ripped it off I guess a classic example probably be um, uh, a new hope versus force awakens Was awakened depending on where you stand on that I suppose because a lot of people are like, no It's just trying to tell the same story But to a newer audience and then other people are like, no it ripped it off and it ripped it off poorly You can tell the same story without just copy and pasting all the major plot points, but poorly over to your new movie And so um, I guess big or laser how a task today is to figure out what What joker has done and to um address And and and clarify these these perspectives from a certain Ralph the movie maker to see if uh, they People are saying that kimba and lion king are vastly different. So if that is the case I'm ready to believe it. I just I just I have a yeah, this is going strictly from what I've heard I have not looked into it. I think I uh, I looked into it a long time ago. Just a little bit I didn't actually watch any of it. I just looked read about what the synopsis was and I think the Kimba the white lion actually goes to the real world that the the human world and hangs out over there for a while Simba doesn't do that So I'm really sure what the series is about but distinctly remember that kimba the white lion Somehow makes his way to to the human world and stays with them So that's not what simba does. So I know it doesn't seem like a rip-off at that moment So I don't know. I'm not really sure Ready to believe that yms talked about it on his stream and said examples used to say that lion king was a rip-off a super cherry picked I can I can see that. Oh, yeah I mean, oh apparently yms is actually going to go through. All right. Yeah, I'll I'll check that out if he does That'd be interesting Someone's saying uh willow and lord of the rings Um, I mean There are there are things for sure. Yeah, I think it was actually an inspiration. Lord of the Rings was actually an inspiration for willow Because I think George Lucas wanted to make his own lord of the ring Well, yeah, he wanted the rights to Lord of the Rings to make them into movies He couldn't get them and so that's how the story goes as he was like fine. I'll make my own It's like, all right. Well, I mean I've seen I know Lord of the Rings at willow pretty well And I don't really like willow that much, but I I don't know I don't think I would be comfortable calling it a rip-off of Lord of the Rings. It It depends on your definition Like if someone was like he's clearly trying to be Lord of the Rings I'd be like, I mean, I guess There's a lot of like differences One of the weird things to me is that there is a fellowship But they disband like in the first I want to say 20 minutes of their adventure. They just they all go back home and willow's like, oh, okay I need to carry them But he meets up with Val Kilmer's character and Val Kilmer's character is the one that a lot of people will say like saves the film in terms of Like entertainment value in a lot of ways Willow was a good movie. I like I wouldn't say it's a good movie, but uh in my opinion I really like that movie. I haven't seen willow yet It's it's interesting. We could check that out sometime if you want to but I've heard it's interesting And I've heard that some people really love it and I've heard some people think it's terrible So one of these days we got to add it to the list go ahead and add it to the list the movies we got to watch um Is that I guess that's it for the The movies that we had to watch for homework right because then we watched The other things we've been watching are more just oscar nominated films that we need to uh catch up on in terms of What's good that came out? I don't know if we want to talk about that or not We could probably save it for another time But yeah, we could save it for another time or we could just briefly just a brief We saw this and we thought this Maybe just give people a little little updates. Um Let me Actually go through our downloads. Let's see all the stuff that we've been watching Uh Let's take forever my download. I need to clear out my downloads folder. Oh well from memory. I mean We can stay vague, but joke. Yeah, we saw jojo rabbit and it was really good Give it up. Give it a big thumbs up big thumbs up for jojo rabbit I know watch that 1917 First off first off literature devil. Okay. Your name is sick syllable. So we're gonna have to do something about that What what do you what do you normally go by? Uh, if you were shortened it down to lit dev lit dev Call you devil Devil can we call you satan? The rise of darkness The lord of lies No, we found out from infinitisms the devil never welches on a deal or whatever Okay, then he can't then let's make a deal satan You tell i'll ask you a question and you answer it. So Did you see jojo rabbit? Did you like it? I have not seen jojo rabbit. No, all right. Um, We saw the lighthouse Yes, and I liked it. I like it too. Um, I like it It's it's not a conventional movie in any means. Oh, no, it's kind of it's like it's artsy But in like a good way like legitimately actually a good way I was pretty pretty hooked really Um, and holy shit willem de faux. Holy shit, man The fact that he was not nominated nominated for some award is a crime I don't understand how that happened Did either You watch him without film and he is that character willem de faux is gone It's just this uh Yeah, he did very well. He did very well Did you see the lighthouse satan? No, I haven't seen that one either Well, maybe you saw the other movie that we watched this actually in reverse order I'm going because I'm going from left to right on my downloads folders. Wow. We saw parasite Yes Parasite was good Are you and I the only ones who've seen that here? I think so I don't know what the fuck that is Okay, well parasite was very good. Um, yes He just just every every filmmaking element was was was popping Um, and a really really cool story that I felt I hadn't really seen before and it's um It was only after the When when the like to remain vague when the brother begins to bring the sister in that I was like Wait a minute. I guess What's happened in here? I think the end was a bit tizmy. There's there's some tizms there. Sure, but man still Absolutely worth watching go watch parasite go watch the lighthouse Go watch jojo rabbit 1917 go watch 1917. Oh, yeah, I watched that yesterday in the cinema. It was very good Go watch it again again. Good shit. It was very very good We can we can probably elaborate on them as time goes on, but obviously we've already uh We're coming up to an hour long intro here, so Just a quicky little uh quicky little you know just uh looking at the uh Look looking at the films Brushing up on our I don't know if we're gonna do it. I don't know if we're gonna if we're officially gonna do the fappies But The only reason why I'm against it is because of how we haven't seen Like how would it work? How do we nominate? How do we vote? How does and I know it's all for fun So who cares, but I'm like, I don't know we can what we can do is we can have personal fappies together Oh, no, not again But we can do I just like the idea that we'd all the day at the the chat get to vote on which wins I would legitimately be curious to see if we did line them all up What the chat would go for and then we could measure that Against like what the the professional award-giver people are at the Oscars Or the Oscars if you're in canada judging from chat, I think parasite would win people very uh positive about the one Well, I I know movies For next week when I'm in the training end Is that with parasite I wouldn't agree. It's the best But I can certainly see why people think that because I really liked watching parasite Because I don't know if mine is joker or 1917 Um, I love both of those. They would be my top two for the year Yeah, they would those would be top two. Um, I would like to watch 1917 again because joker's fresh doubly fresh because I watched it today so Well, yeah, I guess Naturally, I I think that brings us into today's topic, which is um, I did sort of introduce it earlier But we're out with the movie maker made a video and the second he made this thing Um, fucking I got obliterated with dm's on twitter a disc called Like Okay, so somebody said that parasite is a movie about j and effa We have been parasitic to his channel. It's true. Uh, well I should go for the toilet quickly. I shall be right back Yeah, well, I'm gonna go to the toilet before we start fine. I'll do all of the procedural Introduction to them's fine. I'm okay with that. Hey, Satan Hello, he's satan's randley civil what I need um Yeah, so so I got set this video and I was like what the world's going on It's just like it's a bad tank ball or it's terrible that I was just like, oh, it's probably not like, you know that bad that you check the percentage on it as in the um For lack of a better term the approval rating the ratio And it was like I think 70 percent after a few hours and I was like, whoa, like whenever that happens That means your own fan base is upset and it's like damn And I haven't watched this video yet. Is it so I have no idea. I've started it. I didn't finish it Uh, is it I've heard uh, it's really that bad well We've got I've got I picked up a selection of comments from his own fan base. Um after after seeing Me and ranks watched six minutes of it and we decided okay, okay enough like this is we have to talk about this because um You know The idea that there are ways to write stories is enough of an issue for people as in a lot of people like no They are not you just do whatever you want But the idea that there are ways to write reviews Oh my goodness. We're stepping into very Controversial territory, but I just I don't know there's gonna be a lot of things he does in this video that I would very much recommend against um Why are you being so racist right? So are they going from uh, so now people are going from you're watching movies wrong to writing reviews of movies wrong Well, I think that they're both crafts, you know like and uh, you could like first of all bloody hell I get your details, right? That would be uh very accurate Also, I realized that that was an inside joke, so I probably should have done it But I called you literature angel the description with your leg Of people like why did you do that? I'm like, oh, yeah, that wasn't live. I'll call it devil I don't we don't need to explain that but it was it was funny. Okay chat geez You wouldn't get it Why why must you shout why must why must you be such a belligerent? We didn't do nothing It's the fridge right now searching for beer German in the beers. What do you mean search for beer where don't you just isn't it just in your fridge? That was piled on food below food Kind of where mine is In my belly Well, I hadn't got Austin powers. That's a trilogy. I need to rewatch I like to watch that about every two years or so Austin powers Yes, no, I've heard uh, I've heard 1917. It's also a really good move And uh, it just involves a bunch of pen and more. So is that also an in-cell movie? Yes, they do not have sex in the movie. Okay, there was no fucking in this Like the whole army all in cells out of them knew it With their wives and children at home fucking in cells Oh, I guess we could talk about that really quickly, but the criticism of 1970 for not having enough women in it It was like Yeah, it's it's true to the time, but I mean we move past that we move past truth and and facts We need to be more woke these days and uh, there was Like like the the argument was obviously the the counter argument is obviously but that's accurate And then the response is like How much do we need to like this is not me saying this this is from a tweet How much do we need to talk about the world wars? Like haven't we done this enough now? Like can't we talk about something else? Can we make stories about other things? Too many too many movies about these world wars Can you imagine? I mean, what were they anyway? I mean just uh something that happened a long time ago. Who even knows old shit Some some guys firing little pistols and stuff silly Some people had disagreements and some somebody got in the fight. They had guns whatever it was a long time ago um But yeah, sorry back on track, uh So yes this this this video and so and so we were told by several other sources that This video's point is to trap things like uh e-fap or whatever and I was like, huh? And it's like there's there's references at the end that um Are almost meta in relation to responding to critics And so the theory goes that this video is presenting poor arguments on purpose to be like Ha got you Why block that why block well, I was gonna say uh, we will not be showing the original on stream today because we can't Uh ralph has disabled playback on anything but youtube with his video And he's this is like the only video he's done that with I can't imagine why there's there's no reason I could possibly imagine reason why he would do that What a mystery um, but of course, uh, people have already well funnily enough people I think re-uploaded it Um because he took it down temporarily to deal with like a copyright issue And so someone was like, oh well, I just have a copy anyway, so we can play it and watch together Yeah, so to uh, someone sent us a link, you know who you are. Thank you very much for doing that. Yeah, uh We discovered We discussed because originally we could watch it and then after he I guess when he re-uploaded it or sometime they're around Disabled it for replay on external sites, which is something that you could do with your videos Something that he tells to do so Yeah, again, I'm not going to ascribe motivation. Who knows why he would do that There's a myriad of reasons and uh Is he scaring is he Protecting something is he I don't know maybe his hand slips. He just doesn't want people playing it on other sites He wants people to be watching on youtube makes complete sense just protecting the brand. Do you know? And so yeah, it looks like you're all in. Um, I guess there's there's nothing else to say other than yeah So we'll check it out and um, if we if we've been tricked and this whole thing is a trick. That's fine um, we'll just pretend that um Some people took the the arguments very seriously or think that they're good arguments and will respond to them anyway and that um, you know, if it's all bullshit, then that's that's fine too But well, you know, we'll we'll see from the tone of the video if you guys think there's even a hint of that or not We'll see Yeah, anything else anyone wants to say before we get started Cheers Alki Fuck up. I think we're good. Okay. Then I'm excited Uh, let me let me pull that cover off. This is the introduction. Yeah, okay, so Just in case I don't miss it says introduction on screen. This is this is it So, you know, I don't like to be serious, but we lost a legend and it's very sad In 2016 Universally acclaimed actor Jared Leto took on the role of the Joker and he gave one of the most memorable performances of all time You want no beef? You don't want no beef? You don't want no beef? you know um We've talked about uh, because me and rags mentioned that we were watching joker, uh It's so great that that waki managed to strike it out on his own and make this new uh Or it was just a different joker character while also being in in the same zeitgeist as heath ledger's joker But maybe this joker made it easier Because it's like oh god, please anything but the lower the bar is set that bar way lower And then it's bad in that last guy It's amazing how much this joker was hated even though he was just in like a little bit in suicides quarter He was very upset at Jared Leto that um The uh his parts were cut significantly. Um In suicide squad. Yeah. Yeah, apparently he had way more scenes and it's just interesting to be because he's like, oh man I don't know. Maybe that was for the best The editor says oh, this is his joker. We have to cut him out. He's gonna score downsides this guy I'm an idea Please stop it I have to say his his portrayal of this joker was fairly memorable That part might be sure Have you wait? Have you seen suicide squad ranks? I have not I've heard terrible terrible terrible That's one of the things we watched when I was first over at molly. Yeah, when you first came to visit We watched that with alcohol. It was such an experience. It's such a tizm movie. We watched suicide squad and the uh ghostbusters movie Oh Yeah, um Good stuff good stuff. So anyone has nothing to do with ralph's video. I just it's just interesting to think about Yeah We're gonna miss you jared. I have a very Cynical opinion of joker. It's so cynical and you can tell i'm annoyed that I have to watch the movie You guys could kind of tell with the aquaman video. Oh, they're really running out of ideas, aren't they? But you can really tell with the joker one I guess in reference to dc um I don't know the aquaman. That's not what I would have said about aquaman after watching it. They already got ideas It's just it's such a fucking crazy rollercoaster that movie um That was added in in posts that looks like cgi come on that looks like cgi I never noticed it doesn't I don't think it looks like cgi. I I when I watched this the first time I didn't think it was cgi. I didn't even Didn't even occur to me I mean, yeah, I didn't notice that it was cgi personally I can tell you now it's cgi I yeah, I even if you When we first watched this to we just we we screened this for the first little bit of this video um When he said this I still can't see it. Maybe i'm Maybe yeah, maybe there's telltale elements of cgi that would give it away, but um, to me it looks really good I mean, yeah, it looks pretty good to me with proper one way or another nothing wrong with it And I'll say that if you are I guess if you're covering the joker and you know that it's really beloved by a lot of people And you're gonna take the position that it's like not good and stuff like that I feel like you could have better examples than this Well, so strategy, right? So let's say rags is making his joker video because he fucking hates it, right? He fucking hates it. I hate it worst thing ever Then he goes he shows me the video before he's releasing and he's like, what do you think? Can I go? Oh Don't start with this rags If you want to say this move it away later because this is going to give a really bad impression immediately as to um What you're doing with this video and then you're like, what do you mean mubishly and I'm like, uh So like even if even if this was like hard cgi, let's just pretend that for a second like so You know, this is uh, really your your good best first step forward Yeah, like I'm not even saying because this is me. We're talking about right, so I'm okay with you bringing this up as a discussion but Maybe not the first thing just especially with a movie like this This is one of those divisive ones the people are testy about which is there's a lot of those Um, I have that experience with such things And maybe I could have been better in terms of strategy for how I approach a lot of my um movie criticism But I don't know. I don't know why you'd open with this. It's a it's a strange strategy Uh, somebody in chat mentioned it could be sugar glass and I've never heard of that. So I googled it And apparently, yeah, you can it's a brittle transparent form of sugar used to simulate glass and movies Never heard of this. So that's really well Something else, uh, the glib fact similarly the uh, the guy was talking about blade runner on episode New year's eve. I can't remember what that was he uh, he was telling me about how um On sets you can have it's like a double frame of of glass. So as in the the first one is Not to be broken, but also not going to be damaging against the actor's head While the second pane behind it is one that's prepared to break with like a A switch or pulley or something like that As in okay, there's a lot of movie making strategies you can do to it And cgi is obviously an option too. I don't know which of what the ones they used I can't tell so You know like it's not really to shoot I think the the point overall is it looks convincing to me It's an odd criticism to levy right at the front of your video Yeah, no, that's that's all that's all I think that um, you're gonna put it in you might want to aim for a different time Also, the third person of Ralph's commentary Yeah, that's that's a strange format strange format But then again, this is this is I just think it's odd. I just think it's odd So he does I don't actually know this but I'm assuming he does audio commentaries He releases and he's just clipping out pieces to show Yeah, yeah with the Joker one That was added in posts that looks like cgi. Come on. That looks like cgi. Was that even necessary? Some producers like oh, you gotta make it more dramatic. He's gotta crack Yes, it was necessary It really drives home how anger how angry and frustrated he is at that moment I think that at that moment, he just lost his job Which was basically the one thing that made that gave arthur fleck an identifiable identity at the moment Yeah, there were two things. Yeah, he got fired and he learned that his buddy quasi set him up to be kind of ratted him out. Yeah He hits it so people are saying that um, there's spam in chat I think they're making the same mistake. I did because no, no, no, no, no, no Look how much there is I mean What do you mean? um, like it it's got a it's got a lot of emojis, but It's not actually spam. Well, because they're saying things. That's kind of why I'm like Scroll up a bit. There's a lot of the same thing, but it's all different accounts So you can't actually block it at once. Well, they're not but they're not spam though It's just that they maybe do you think they're using the emojis Do you think it's supposed to be a clever form of spam? I don't know if anyone wants xxx amateur sex videos click here and there you go But they're actually like one of them just said some people Yeah, some people have really bad takes about CGI. So that seems like a real comment I'm one of them just added you rags. I don't know watch a Jackie Chan movie. It's everywhere. There you go. I don't know But uh, I guess like one of them said his world was cracking around him There you go. That's an insightful Kind of thing that somebody who makes video essays would say it's supposed to represent how his world is Oh, someone someone just said they steal comments from chat to evade spam. Is that true? Really About cavity actual messages, let's see. All right. Well, let's kick them then Well, I was gonna say metal. Are you able to uh able to keep an eye? Um It's very some someone is doing something. Uh, oh rags is this very clever very clever Yeah, sorry. I mean, this is the thing. I'm learning bots change all the time. So if they are if that's what they're doing That's that's pretty clever Very It is clever but annoying Clever but annoying They're they're even copying rhino milk emoji. Oh my god Oh my goodness clothing the toxic brew They're learning by the way. That was uh, obvious. I've been told by some very, um Very people for people who know what they're talking about some that the rhino scene the scene where luke drinks the milk The best scene in entirety of star wars Very good authority. So I've been told Patrick Willems, uh, loved it. It was one of his shapes I Also, if you don't like that scene then you were a bigot and all that stuff um That's that's really fascinating though that you could the arc of these bots as in I went from thinking they were spam to not spam to spam One of them said rags. It's spam No, I've been betrayed by my own Of course you me Um, all right Well, I was gonna say I think yeah dust bullshit metal and possibly a few others. They should be here. We'll do a Just knock them out casually while we're uh checking this Give them the old we don't I don't like chat to be disturbed. I'm sorry chat. I do try to keep you guys, uh in good health How many I know we're burning up precious precious time. Yeah, I picture them I know right I picture, uh The chat with like a kadsaurus tuba is that that is the character right now. It's like We're like we're trying to remove the tuba be gone. Maybe I can um, can I block via account names? This is what they say. Well, no idea Uh You can like hide user on the channel. So yeah, it's just there's one at a time. Hopefully I mean because I hate to Essentially put mods through the fucking Yeah, this is why this is why you are given the wrench Yes This is why this is your holy duty. I like that the chat's trying to counter with rhino milk. It's like fight back It's not helping Spam there rhino to fight their spam I think I think that's good for now Yeah, I mean just just uh if whoever mods are around if you can just stay on it. They'll be Thank you. Thank you very much Sorry xxx amateur sex videos Also, hey fios here as well in the super in the super chat stream. It was like, oh, no, that's not actually a spam bot and I was like Um, but yeah, I was thinking since we were supposed to be five men today and since This person has actually name dropped uh in text in this video We could go ahead and add a mystery fifth guest instead of our standard Oh my god, it's ronald reagan Is it what why not ronald reagan warabini? Someone just email someone just texted me. I won't tell you who do you get honey crisp or gala apples? What neither I don't know. I just I just someone just texted me that I like that fucking jay just said in chat. Hey, I answered your dm. It's like you're in the He's good. He had his chance kick him. He's he's weird. He set his discord notifications to like less than zero Like he just is completely unaware Someone calls someone discord and something else goes off. Well jay you can get in if you want to That is the uh, that is by position on this. Okay I'm all right They're really running out of ideas aren't they but you could really tell what the joker one That was added in posts that looks like cgi come on Also, I I know we're really really harping on this but that seems like an This seems like a really odd comment to make after the aquaman. Oh, they're running out of ideas And then it shows this like yeah seems like kind of a maybe that was That was the end of a point and this is the beginning of a new point. Hello jay. What do you think about taxi driver? Uh, I think I've not seen it What do you think about falling down? Uh, I've just I've not seen that either. Fuck. What do you think about parasite? I've not seen any of these films Fuck, what do you think about trice 1917 is the only one you're talking about that? Well, thank god rax didn't say 1917 you've broken the the two at least I was gonna so at least At least he would understand the depth of my disappointment I'll tell you what happened there by the way is that um, I was on my pc when I sent the discord message And then I didn't I think you'd seen it at all. So I Turned off my pc and I was on my laptop And then you added me to the call and I was like, oh god. I'm not ready and Hardly turned on my pc I wasn't you're incompetent and that is the way I love you. Okay I wouldn't want it any other way. Uh, there is a link you can find in the chat to the watch together Mr. J. What if I don't want to click it? You don't have to but it's gonna be confusing to stay stay abreast of the situation Um, yeah, uh, that looks like CGI All right, it's got me at the beginning. We're talking about CGI potentially CGI glass. Let's play this part another time Hell yeah, CGI glass Oh my god CGI in posts that looks like CGI come on that looks like CGI was that even necessary some producers like Yes Yeah, in case in case like my my take I think you guys kind of mentioned this but uh, that's how hard he hit it Yes That that's the point. He's uh, this man is coming to the end of his rope. Yes. He is very Very aggravated. I just didn't do that. People are so Like defense. No, here's the thing like explain to us Ralph. Why would it be better if the glass was unbroken? I think it would have been worse actually because that's what I was supposed to be a dramatic moment And uh, imagine how much of the how much drama would have been taken away How much seriousness would have been taken away if it hit his head on the glass and The bounces Oh god, yeah Well, we're in those his last words. Yeah famous last words from super villain Kylo Ren Ouch He actually doesn't get to say anything in that final scene. Fuck. Yep. I mean, I think it might be on the same on the on the same as Captain Kirk in that Star Trek movie where his last words were oh my You say that like it was an epic last words Hey, let's say well. Hey, what were Kylo Ren's last words? Well, where have you been ouch? That's what we that's what we were just saying. That's like the whole last words were ouch. That was a whole conversation Uh To be fair ouch is the really appropriate last words Well, I think I think the idea is that it sums up his character doesn't it I would argue that his last words actually sum up the entire sequel series ouch Yeah It's it's just the the sub is a misstep. They stood on a lego. They were like, ah, oh Captain All right. Anyway, let's let's roll him back. Let's get the full context for then the next point People are so like defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. I wish this movie was about himself Yeah, we have to Like people are very defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. Here's what he said It's not really good The Joker is a comic book character It's the most this uncomic book movie comic I've ever seen I mean, yeah, if we're gonna talk about the um the sort of trope source or elements of comic book movies We're so used to this movie kind of isn't really gunning for those At all like the it breaks away first being r rated How many comic book r rated are they now it's dead pool Logan and this is that it is I guess Is suicide squad r rated That doesn't count. I don't even think it is actually I'm not sure blade is blade blade was pretty Violent squad rating. It was rated PG 13 which means is rated pretty good by 13 people I'm wonder what on our list is uh blade Blade not blade runner. We're talking play black blade Wesley's what was the first one? Uh When did it come out? I want to say 19 early 90s. It'll autofill 98. Thank you It was a long time ago It was rated Ah Fuck I let me find the rating. Fuck. That's an interesting rating. I rated f for fuck vampires It's 18 in Germany at least. Oh, apparently watchman was r rated as well. Yeah Oh, yeah, that's gotta be rated Yeah, all I was saying with that is that uh, first of all it puts it into a very small tier list of even movies that are even allowed to like like obviously blood is typically avoided in a lot of uh comic book movies because because being a comic book movie means that they kind of want to appeal to a large audience And i'm not i'm not going to patrick williams route. It looks like an n64 bottle Hey man, blade is awesome. How dare you? I could I could see what you mean by that It looks like he's from Tomb Raider 2 Stephen dwarf the CGI number Put it on the list. We gotta see blade Our list's getting too big. It's terrifying The power of an immortal the soul of a human the heart of a hero Wesley sounds pretty gay. Yeah, I mean i'm on board Stephen dwarf so Stephen dwarf It's on the poster if we're going pragmatically though It is a comic book movie in that it is an adapt adaptation all the comic book character from a comic book, right? So Yeah, chat saying he looked like black jc dinton. He does Maybe you should get a job, but I want to highlight by the way that uh Being defensive because comic book, uh, I mean don't people like openly despise a lot of comic book movies Like suicide squad. Yeah Captain marvel A lot of disdain toward marvel in general like I know you guys must have seen comments like uh marvel movies Oh, yeah, people make them all the time and we get upset at them for making those comments because they're they help them all together Like they're all the same thing crisis infinite Even this like TLJ defenders, I don't think you'd catch us saying oh people only defend it because it's a star wars movie like no They have like reasons that they're wrong Yeah, well, I mean I don't think there is a person who defends it because it's star wars because star wars is such a crazy collection of all these different things at this point like this this this is going to be people but That's almost impossible now. Like it usually sits in with one of the many factions sequels prequels ot or Clomors or um mandalorian now, you know lots of different Things and what what actually makes a star wars movie star wars movie Yeah comic bit to be like people are over to the defensive because it's comic book. I'd be like that's pretty vague, but all right It's like if you can if you can find the one person who is saying is making that argument That's not that's not representative. There are lots of people who have reasons. They actually like this film That's pretty shitty to just dismiss them all like that Well, so yeah, and again about strategy in terms of video essays like starting out with uh Accounting for people who would disagree with you immediately like you can do it. I think feasibly it's just that um It will give a strong impression to a lot of people Already like wow, you're uh, you're you're like pre-bitter About how people gonna depends how you do it Yeah, that's what I was saying and and a lot of people have told me that context for this is apparently he was like Partially hounded by his own fan base to make a joke of video um because of the fact that he has uh Controversial views on it which which makes sense. I think like if if we were to come out and say, um, I don't know Uh, the same thing like the joker was this this garbage awful movie that people would be like, can you Can you tell us why specifically in detail or whatever and I guess this was his like response and so He was he felt like he had to account for the fact that people are gonna be pissed at him. He knew that but um I don't I don't know his his his strategy in Putting that in his video managed to translate. Well, let's put it that way Um Let's let's kick on shall we better if it just didn't do that people are so Like defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. I wish this movie was about in cells At least it wouldn't be so boy that cut at least bugs me Was the cut was the cut like that because all of those clips were for his audio commentary or from it. Sorry Well, no before it he had a weird audio inconsistency too But if if you're going like from a tactical perspective If you're making a movie talk about how a joker's not very good Then insulting your audience Probably not that like for instance, we're gonna have a mandolin e-fap And after the mandolin e-fap, I'm gonna make a mandolin video telling people how terrible the writing is It's how it's actually a bad show. I'm not gonna insult people And tell them that they're bad and horrible and that well, right bad for liking dudu. We haven't gone to that yet But yeah, maybe he'll say something that because at this point it's like it's like shaky ground It's like this is great, but I have it's fine. It's fine. We'll see how it progresses Like defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. I wish this movie was about in cells At least it wouldn't be so boring. At least then I could have related to the film It's such a shame no one can give their honest opinion of this movie without having a bunch of children on the internet gang up on you You're listen listen Don't frame it like this don't frame the other side is Like if you want to I know you're taking an unpopular position So what do you do is less of this and more of Because of this that happens because of this scene because of these words in the script because of this reference I can prove With confidence that this is actually a bad film You don't want to poison the well essentially and make people hate your face All right the beginning So if I really want to a minute and 17 seconds in and he's already done the same exact Made the same exact arguments and points as many of these tlj defenders do with it. It's true because I say it is and it is um if you are If you'd like this movie or just like this movie Basically, if you disagree with me, then you are um Please continue With your thoughts I was paying attention. Yes The main argument is that usually if you disagree with them you are defective in some way and he's already done that It's already been a minute and 17 seconds So this is already fairly promising Well, he's he's already assumed the reason why we like it. It's not we don't just like it We like it because it's a comic book movie a comic movie that you're all man babies and fans and dc fans or whatever You always really like the Joker. There's no real defense. It's just uh, but he he thinks it's bad Because he says it's bad Yeah, well, um, I'm I take more issue with just the the like people like being mean to you because you talk about this thing It's like dude. What what does that not apply to outside of like ubiquitously agreed upon? Uh perspectives on on movies So for example, I come out with a video saying suicide squad sucks I don't even expect to see a comment that says no this film was a masterpiece I might be lucky and see it randomly, but if I was to come out and be like, I don't know Uh, what's what's like a movie that doesn't typically get criticized that is kind of like the prestige Oh, why would I why would I do that to myself? Okay? I come up with a video called the prestige is is a disaster trash fire I would expect a lot of comments being like, uh, you're off base on this one. This is a bad take I don't see even if they hadn't seen the video just because it's like, yeah That's that's that's gonna be that's what's gonna happen. It's youtube. Um Yeah And I think that that's the children And so I would I would I would be okay with someone having like a disclaimer beginning because like I know people like to have it And I maybe even I would in a long form. I say long form. I mean longer than my rage and breathe Uh video where I might go like, please just give my arguments a chance before you tell me I'm insane. That's all Yeah, like I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm not trying to shit all over your hopes and dreams Because of a movie. I just I really do think that I'm correct and here is all of my arguments for why And then you make the video you don't this isn't what you open with we've got 23 minutes to go Ralph So someone said you're wasting time. We've got 11 hours We'll be able to make it through. No worries. Uh, whoever said that Hmm. Um, also Uh, it wouldn't be as bad if he were first of his children. It's like, oh yeah And it's like, okay, there are Well, it's like if I went to my fucking comment section now, there would be some guy going Why are you such a fucking loser talking about star wars film bad? It's like, yeah, they're children but not because of their perspective because they're twats It's like Yeah, and then the other I guess the other issue is just like who you're referring to Ralph just like asshole idiots Or like people being like I think that your take on joker is inaccurate competitive film. He's a child Silas child one thing that's interesting too is Is that he couldn't even say something like Um, like people are just defending it Because they really sympathize with the character or the movie tries to convince them to This that and the other thing like it can't even give us the benefit of the doubt It is is they give us such child like really gives us very very childish Um, you'll protect the brand kind of kind of motivation basically just dismissing the The people who disagree with him is dismissing their opinions as nothing but childish notions Someone said the illusionist is better than no it look look i'm gonna be crying I saw the illusionist with john adams in it And it's no no, uh, his name the actor's name What paul jimati, uh, forget his name all the time. I like you calling him john adams. I'm okay with that I really like the illusionist But the prestige is better than the illusionist jb singing in the chat So I saw the illusionist soon after I saw the prestige and I was so disappointed because for some reason I was retarded and I thought I was gonna get a movie like prestige. Is it like as good as well written That was like wait. Why did I think that? The illusionist was one of those movies that I told my mom is like mom you should watch the illusionist You'll like it. It's it's she because she watches the it's like a hallmark movie It's just a step above a hallmark movie Right with magic Oh Liking iron man three of a prestige. No No stop your man from life. Oh, yeah, I made I forced I strapped jay down and forced him to watch prestige j What did you think of prestige? I thought it was great. Yay You could say Literally like the next day on a stream. I was asked. Hey, have you seen this cool movie the prestige and I was like I have Finally I could say I watched something. Oh, yeah, fuck. I forgot to mention because like if you remember uh rags We did the I doubt you forgot. We did the the copyright meme recording. We've done that now We've looked at all the meme videos that had copyrights in them with with uh with wolf and one of the memes had When wolf is asking you what films you've seen and he asks you if you've seen prestige and you say no That's inaccurate now. Yay Yes, that information is now officially out of date One film at a time guys That's why you got to keep up with the e-faps because we're always pulling a fast one on you. You can't go by the old info Anyway Let's kick on Such a shame no one can give her honest opinion of this movie without having a bunch of children on the internet I hate I hately says no one can give that honest opinion of this film like I'm such a victim on the internet No one can give the honest opinion like I will I I will Ralph Be If he said talk shit about it, he'd be really showing his hand, but you know No one can Absolutely, no one can give their honest opinion. So if you like this movie That mean he's kind of implying that if you say you like this movie, you're lying. Well, I I actually do think that he um Yeah, he's actually I think he thinks that a lot of people don't realize that they're sort of They're being biased towards Batman content comic book content and they're not realizing that this film isn't actually that good So they're not like capable of being honest with themselves. I suppose um It's hard to interpret that in a good way It's it's not a great statement. Is that why suicide squad is universally defended and has five out of five stars What about it? Yeah suicide squad has joker in it has batman in it Just as just asleep has batman and superman fighting Yes, two monster like it's just you gotta People thought that was garb it. Well, I think I think that's the universal opinion for the most part, right? There's some people who really like it out there think Oh, that's neat. Let me have a look at that. That's fine. I I don't like it Yeah, you got rags I get it to the animated french film. I doubt it, but if they are then Ask the risk on all the things that I've just said Um, all right, let's let's Such a shame no one can give their honest opinion of this movie without having a bunch of children on the internet Gang up on you and like people like harass me guys. You realize we're a bunch of children gang up on him, right? Almost one I mean we've fallen for the fucking Such a shame no one can give their honest opinion of this movie Without having a bunch of children on the internet gang up on you and like people like harass me about these these dc So I don't want to even discuss it. So don't I Almost getting parody by some days That's that's the thing. There are there are moments where you can be like this is a joke video, right? But I'm I'm almost I don't want to say it's true because I I'm not in his head But because I follow him on twitter and I've seen him, you know promoting this video I'm pretty sure he he considers this video like, you know good shit He believes in what he says in this It's like if you don't eat If you think that you're gonna get harassed for giving your Honest opinion about it. You don't have to do it You don't have to talk about joker you can make movies about other movies. You make videos make your video movies If you do you're gonna get harassed for making for sharing a perspective you can do it in more pragmatic ways Yes, then well, I want to fucking talk about this because of all the Idiots that things I don't know how all those children see things like I do if you like this, you're a child That's one of the tropes. I see Like all we needed was this to be the opening the sigh of the didn't want to make this video. You're like Just make something else The use of the word these use of the word harassment really makes you feel like he's lampooning the people who just complain and cry about this stuff I go Lampoon he said You guys just a bunch of children getting up on this pullman I like comic book movies So pressing me. I like the Joker is good because it's a comic book movie. That's why it's good. No, that's the only reason obviously No, it's good because of the racism. No But at the same time I recorded all this audio about joker, you know, because it's like a commentary track I didn't expect Robert to know to get shot in the fucking head It's like, yeah, I did of course I did what what was gonna what else was gonna happen with him? Well, when are you gonna okay? Okay, so The whole movie he pretends to kill himself in the auditions killing himself and he practices killing himself And he's like, oh, I'm gonna tell this joke and I'm gonna shoot myself in the face And even in the dressing room right before he gets on right after Um right after old man and his friend leave the dressing room place Murray Right after Murray and the other guy leave his preparation room. I don't know what it's called. I'm not in the biz He corporation the preparation age room What he does is He he pretends one last time to shoot himself right before he goes out And then right before he goes out as they're getting ready to introduce joker They replay all of the clips where Murray's making fun of him And all that stuff. So you're like, oh, which way which way is he gonna go? Is he gonna shoot Murray or is he gonna go through with the plan that he's had? What do you mean they replay the clips up to this? Yeah, they they they do the audio Did they I completely forgot to miss that like Yeah, because because when he's behind the curtain, right? Smoking and he's waiting for his time to go out You can hear the audio of them playing the segment So remember this guy and then they they're playing the audio We don't see it because this is the joker's perspective behind the curtain before he goes out They're playing it. There's scenes. So I know when I watched it. I was like, what's he gonna do? What's he gonna do? No, no, I didn't know I didn't know I was like, yeah, he's gonna shoot T'Niro He's gonna shoot himself. I don't know what else gonna happen Big nut got got I got two two golden counters All right first of my I'm gonna crack open the golden egg and bring out a counter. So first one is uh If you just jumped on a shot to Niro would have been like, whoa That's not the the character we've been we've been learning about through this whole movie Like his whole thing is that he's supposed to knock out people who are who are awful and um He he's definitely got a reason to dislike Murray at that point, but he he makes clear that he's like Happy to be brought on the show because it's a dream of his and so there's a lot going on in joker's head at this point So we need a scene Him to unravel and focus and that's what happens in that scene combined with all of the efforts from Not only the people on the couch D'Niro and the audience essentially like Jabbing and belittling as he's trying to kill himself like he's trying To deliver his payoff And he's like fucking hell like I can't even do this That he goes on his rant and then he's like, you know what nah, I'm gonna kill you Because you're awful. That's that's that's how he justifies it. Secondly. Um, I care a lot more about the the execution than whether or not I know vaguely or all strictly where it's going The um, there's a lot of movies I would say that this would surely apply to that are considered classics or greats that we know Uh, we can tell what's probably more than likely going to happen, but we're in it to see how it all comes together For example, I don't think the emperor was gonna win in star wars. Um, and yet I was hooked I I don't know that Uh, exactly how but that ring is is probably gonna get booped just saying like jay hasn't seen the two Lord rings Hey, I'm saying it probably will get booped. There's no I don't know. I don't know Um Go ahead. Yeah. So what I was gonna say was that um, I think that being predictable or or uh, Boring in your in your monotonous in your approach. Uh, it's just like there's more to the argument surely It's not just did you know or did you not know what was gonna happen in this payoff? Did you know did you did you think it seems to only apply to him because I didn't know It was a possibility, but I didn't know and as someone's Yeah, I was a stupid child who likes comic book movies Someone chat pointed out that while when he pulled out his notebook, right? And he's looking through the notebook pages on the couch. What what do we see? He says I hope my death makes more sense than my life. So like oh, maybe he really is gonna kill himself Oh knows And uh, someone mentioned titanic No, that ship's going down. I would love it if that film it just it just didn't And it's like they defined you like wait what a pass Say what's gonna happen at the end at the well and and that highlights the I guess the final argument which is Are you able to rewatch films or no? Because yeah, you can in fact, uh, I think what The titanic has gone down in history as one of the classics you can watch over But you also I mean you have Shakespeare's stories people play them over and over again They they keep producing these plays over and over again. I'm pretty sure you know what happens by now Pretty sure that you know Romeo and Juliet Kill themselves at the end And uh, I'm pretty sure most people know that they fall in love during the play What people still like it people still like it and it's the thing is it's not really about being Predictable or subverting your expectations or being unexpected. That's always nice But it's the quality of a twist the quality of What uh, what the event that comes in is it good? Is it a good twist people always bring in the sixth sense like well, we didn't see that coming Well, you know what happens now, uh, it's still a watchable movie. It's still people still rewatch it because it's really good twist It's about the quality of the twist the quality of the storytelling Not so much as I did I get a few seconds of excitement. Cool Satan, have you considered that you're a child who likes comic book movies? I didn't I never consider that I know I know it's true already. So Damn you Um, I've been countess. So yeah, see and and so I'm pretty sure he doesn't develop this point Or at least I can't remember that he that he does or doesn't but I would be like this This could be a point. It depends on where he takes it because this is on its own. It's just not much to work with It's like yeah, I did of course I did what what was gonna what else was gonna happen with him Well, were they gonna the thing that he auditioned the entire movie and practice the whole movie to do And just say that he was gonna do the whole time Especially nowadays with movies. Who knows what's gonna happen. We're all so used to being surprised He's kind of Mary Poppins this way Just like, you know what it's easy to say after the fact. Yeah, I knew it all along. He's like, did you did you really? He kind of vibe where he's kind of one of those guys who watches a magician do his trick He goes, I know how that happened. I watch a magician explain his trick Everyone else notices like shut the fuck up. He's like, oh Oh Talk it out. Oh, yeah, Joker. Let's talk it out. That's what you wanted to happen, right? No, it's an obvious Cheap ending he fucking shoots cheap ending cheap ending Hmm Obvious he's going to kill himself. I thought he's going to make a big big show about himself You know killing himself to prove his point and then obviously he changes plans at the last second It's easy to see that he changed plans at the last second and shoots Murray instead You know, I'd say it's very informed that that exchange in on Murray's show Especially with with us knowing how unhinged he is with a gun It's very tense. At least I found it very tense. I was like, yes What's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? I was kind of personally hoping that he would pull a dark knight returns and kill everyone in the audience But I guess just uh killing my Throw loads of grenades into the audience So I agree you just blow this up He just keeps shooting never reloads. He just He has Dante clips Oh, yeah, joker, let's talk it out. That's what you wanted to happen, right? No, it's an obvious Cheap ending he fucking shoots Obvious cheap ending. Okay. Obviously Yeah, joker, let's talk it out. That's what you wanted to happen, right? No, it's an obvious Cheap ending he fucking shoots. Fuck One one dimensional characters every character aside from Arthur only serves to enforce the message that society is bad They don't have any qualities of their own the only two likeable people Arthur knows are a woman of color and a dwarf great Why is that? Oh my goodness Why did you phrase that that way? The only two likeable people Arthur knows are a woman of color and a dwarf Why why not say his therapist and the character's name the coworker? Well, it's it's the imaginary Has to be dismissive about it. It has to be a feminine dismissive way so it can sound worse. There are two ways to interpret this Either the women of color and dwarf aren't supposed to be likeable Arthur demographics have to be likeable I love it. It says great writing after it Writing is writing is capitalized. Like why is writing capital? Let's see this again. People will be like. Oh, it's great writing People like surely it's parody. It's like well The awkward thing is that like this poor guy if he made this fully Intending to supply some strong criticism that he's like everyone's like good joke Ralph. He's probably like I'm like If you're gonna try and convince people that they're wrong about a movie and you're right You did nothing in that whole introduction or first segment To explain why any of this was wrong. You were just like, oh, I knew it I'm right. I understood it because I'm right. I'm right and it is Rex, did you say segment? Sigmund is that is that Freudian's first name? No, Sigmund Freud Sigmund Freud What else is he expecting? To um, is he supposed to have is every character in the film supposed to be this three dimensional character was owned for Right, I guess. Yeah, so let's let's assault this criticism then So it's giving me stronger parody vibes Is there anyone who is more than one dimensional in this film outside of joker be like so let's just try a first reference um The guy who's his friend and colleague who is like look after yourself. Here's a gun but turns out he back stabs him in an attempt to uh Obviously force out more clowns of the actual agency that I imagine gets you more jobs for the rest of the clowns that are there naturally it's spread it's spread thinner so, uh Surely that's multi layered right or does that not count? I don't I don't I don't know Specifically how one dimensional versus two dimensional is classified, but I always assumed it was about um, they're shown to have more than one interest or purpose or motivation like the character that's More interesting thing than being there for one intention I think with that guy is actually just a human thing. I would I would guess like in the beginning you just wanted to make Actually, I'm starting some money. I'm starting easy sort of thing I'm just like there's that guy like he's he's a character everyone agree like I think he goes slightly beyond one dimensional Like okay, cool. Uh, the social worker that's uh giving him let's call it uh limited therapy Um, yeah, so she she's giving him all this the whamen of color. Well, I don't know which one He's referring to when he says that because it could be the imaginary girlfriend. Who's nice to him on the other way Yeah, that's the thing must be don't he I guess he's just like woman of color, you know all of them that are the same Um, okay. Thanks ralph so she Uh, Simultaneously is the standard sort of trope therapist character being like how are you? What have you written in your journal? How what are your thoughts like that sort of thing? But then you find out later, which I thought was interesting that She's very unhappy about the situation. She thinks she's being treated like shit She's not one of the ones that's victimizing him. She's victimized as well and that um I suppose he's countering that ahead of time by saying that These two that I've mentioned so far the one that's kind of a backstab to a degree and the other one that's uh saying She's that he's not the only one that's been beaten down. They both represent society bad which makes them non-layered Would be the argument here. I suppose mm-hmm But but I don't think that's fair at all It's the thing about the joker the joker movie though is that isn't it? It's more or less a character piece like a character study of arthur fleck as he Spirals down into this journey of madness and insanity and all these characters are supposed to be there So that they can help highlight His changes and how he reacts to the world That's we need to see how he reacts to the world at the beginning of the movie and how he does so by the end And these other characters don't really need to be fleshed out They're basically just there to help flesh out arthur fleck himself. Well, yeah, and they're not on screen for very long But I I even take issue with the idea that they're one dimensional. I'm like, I don't know I think they're shown as relatively fleshed out. There's some people obviously I'm mentioning murray. It's like, yeah I actually quite like the details in in how murray speaks to to joker, especially the uh, you don't know me as a as a big counter to What a lot of people do in this film mainly being thomas and uh, arthur they they broadly paint um an entire group of people or um in in joker's case, it would just be society as a whole horrible and then um, obviously Uh murray comes back with first like he's because he's like you're awful specifically and most people are just horrible in general And he's like one. They're not two. You don't even know me like you can't even conclude that about me um So and and you know combine that with with his uh tv shows style the host sort of character I don't know. I just think that there's there's there's clearly more going on there than than one dimension I think it's unfair to say that about the um The characters in this film despite the fact that they don't necessarily need to operate further than that because this entire film is what you call a character study. He's it's entirely about arthur Yeah, it's all it's um This is reminding me of uh, you know that you know that guy on the death star who pushed the lever that blew up elder on He's a bad character. Is that 10 granite 10 granite? Something like that Green tea ran and we need to see his uh his entire household and his likes and hobbies So that we can fully have a three-dimensional character who pulls a lever that destroys everything from the death star And if we're seeing pretty much all of this is from kind of his perspective, right? How much do you really know your co-workers? How much do you really know your shitty therapist? How much do you really know just the random people you meet around and about like how Like you think about a lot of the people that you sort of know of and know but you don't like know them Are those three-dimensional characters in your story movie life? They're probably not Well, you just I you okay, so describing the only two likeable people Does he mean the people who are liked by author or does he mean just likeable characters in general? I like the dwarf because dwarfs are funny I mean because i'm just gonna say I liked uh, I liked murray. I mean, I I like yeah murray seems like a nice guy sort of I just care to Not a bad person. I wouldn't have concluded. He was a bad person. He just uh, he's not a bad person He just does something that's kind of means that's mean spirited to art He's a comedian. He mocks things. That's his job. That's what he does for a living Well, yeah, I know I was gonna say it is people who play other people's content to make fun of it Satan is that what he's doing it's you're calling Satan evil really I'm asking satan if murray went to hell. How dare you? Oh, yeah, did murray go to hell? We can confirm if he was a good guy or a bad guy Or did he go to purgatory? Why did you say that like you were making a pun? Purgatory like a cat thing I think he's just referencing infinitisms. I think that's what that was. I'm referencing the crisis Episode this is where they go to purgatory and then they rescue Archer from the From the Dead, but then another man shows up and says no come with me and then he does No, we're getting off top. No The fuck they went to this burry and howler and shitty CGI purgatory Damn it satan But I suppose he is he is accurate in the those if he's referring to the two people that likes the girl in the elevator and the dwarf, okay And I think uh one thing that really helps flesh out characters is conflict And if you that guy that gives that gives artheft like the gun Okay, the guy that gives him the gun in the first place He is set up to be this You know guy who maybe maybe is looking out for him in the first place And then he turns kind of turns into the jerk co-worker and that if he was one dimensional That's all he would have been but if you remember the later half of the map in the movie He actually comes back comes back to uh artheft's apartment after they had this big conflict at their artheft flex went into the um no clown changing room and Through that tantrum and blamed him for giving him the gun is outed him and they had a big Falling out with each other and but he came by to check on artheft like anyway Towards the end of the movie. He ended up getting killed for it But uh, it's not something that one dimensional character would do Emotion one dimensional character in his case the jerk co-worker would remain just the jerk co-worker and that's all he would ever be Yeah Can I just say that this text is too far down the screen it should be it's not I agree really bad Well, you would know that's that's this is how you do it. Okay when you're sent to your fucking text Also, this the text is wrong Yeah, no, I agree with that too. Yeah, the the the mess it not only is it too low It is incorrect. Well, look at that statement in the middle. They don't have any qualities of their own What nonsense is that? Like of course they do there's those are like elements to each of these people that you can pull out Like uh easily from any of these scenes. There's like give me a character and I'll tell you a Quality and you go all right. Okay. Murray Murray Uh clearly tries to make a joke out of mostly everything keeps the everything light He's interested in making people laugh seems to be um, that's that's his goal as a person I would say before when Murray's in the dressing room with arthur He's actually really nice to him and he any acquiesces to his request He adapts in in his show You can clearly tell that if if arthur could have taken it any way he wanted to It arthur could have been like really down to earth and friendly to him And I think he would have been friendly back, but the second he says like Fucking I killed those three people. It's like you could tell like Murray's immediately like that's almost a challenge in terms of control over the the show Like uh, I think I think Murray recognizes like he's trying to celebrate himself Be like I killed those people and it felt great and then he's like, you know, you think that's good You think it's good to kill people because even his producers like this is fucked up and then Murray's like no I got this I got control of this He's didn't expect him to have a gun obviously that kind of changes the power dynamic, but uh Yeah, um And then you'd be like no, he's just a representation of society bad. I'd be like, oh Can you just make this argument for like any character ever? Yeah, Murray doesn't seem like that bad of a guy he doesn't Seems like a nice man Even I think that if um, he was just nice things I think if joker had said to him when he met him that it really upset him seeing that uh video on his show And that uh, he would have apologized. Yeah, he probably been like, you know, that's not that's not what the show is about It's not supposed to be that we're just trying to have a bit of fun and that um, you know I'm sorry that it did that I I could totally see him doing that Yeah, it's just it's just pilots onto us already Persistent issues that he has and then his idol is just like, uh, look at that goofy fucker. He's so stupid So for him, it's like a matter of perspective for him It's like super evil right now because he fucked him over like his idol hates him and just ridiculed him Yeah After he learns that his mother might be, you know messing with his entire life Yeah, he sees the broadcast of them making fun of Him and he's like, oh now the person who I in some way see as my father figure Now he's turned on me too. Both of them have turned on me He's turned on He's turned on looks like a flashlight in the dark Yes, um, let let us venture further into this video Yes Todd Phillips has always been a comedy director and some of the character writing and scenarios in this film Feel so simplistic. It's like out of a comedy Joker is in the subway and three guys So I don't think he knows what comedy means. I was supposed to say I don't like the The loaded statement there that implies that comedy means you have simple setups Yeah, that's that's stupid You get all kinds of setups in comedy Well, not even I think that you can make great comedy out of simple and complex setups. It's the same with drama I mean, yeah, people rubbed there are jerks on subways Allegedly Back me up on here sub wayman. It's just a straight like, uh I disagree with your premise that he's like moving on to another point. I'm like, but he didn't even have to Explain Thereos in this film feel so simplistic It's like out of a comedy Joker is in the subway and three guys are there and they're bullying a lady And then the guys bully him anything sounds simple when you say it like that Well, hey, look, I'm not being uh condescending here. He's he's pointing this out So I have to reply like this humans take the subway regularly. It's a it's like a faster way of traveling um During the night time. It's very common for people who have been drinking to use public travel because they can't be relied to drive themselves Joker's they're late. He's uh It's after he's been fired. He's down in the dumps. He's taking the subway home Um, we see we saw him take the subway home before there's something he does partially regularly and uh, three dudes are there they're drunk and they're um They're fucking with somebody this this is a common occurrence in many places But this is one of the worst cities in the country as far as I can tell with what this movie's trying to portray Gotham's a shithole, so uh, yeah rough urban environment So does that all make sense and I'm just like make sense to me I don't see what movie is he watching that has all the every scene is complex in some way No, listen arthur fleck He is he finds himself aboard an airship a zeppelin if you will Headed for tijuana After the failed jewel he has to escape the country while the heat dies down and he meets captain yo hansen the third famed dog trainer and secret nazi And then Secret communist nazi that's no that's not a comedy. That's a very complicated setup So it's a don't call it a subway. It's a great iron web The great iron world Yeah, uh, and as jay pointed out first, uh, you could do this with everything ever, um Oh, okay, a bunch of people go into a place to do a thing. Oh, okay Oh, there's a guy and like there's another guy kind of looks like him great setup Uh, gem no man Face off Not even blinkable, but hey Joker is in the subway and three guys are there and they're bullying a lady and then the guys bully him They hit him with the sign They beat him up. All these bad things happen to him all at once They can't do anything. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. You can do this with anything. Okay Oh, this happens and this happens in this app Why don't you just really combine the the first scene to one of the Latest scene in the movie. I take grand issue with saying these all happen at once Wow, that was just fantastic. Are you sure there's not a parody and So he simultaneously while at work has a sign stolen as he has his mother suffers a heart attack And he sneaks into a movie theater. It all happens at once It's all it's all one one scene So, um, I think jenny, uh, sorry jabby made this point as well that it the All of it happens too quickly and all together and it's just like all random Um, I think some people fail to realize how connected a lot of these sequences are as in the The nature is like, why does he get fired from his job because he has a gun while he's doing his work Why does he have a gun? It's like a friend offered it to him as a result of being beaten up And you're like by kid It's like, oh, so those events are directly connected and it's like, why was he given no chances after the gun was found as well It's like well because he'd lost he'd already had a warning after the sign And that was directly connected being beaten up as well Like the the nature in these events to be like, oh, I saw just, you know, he walked down the street Some guy pudged him. He kept walking down. Some other guy just pudged it. It's like, no, that's not what happened, is it? Because of someone in the head of live tv. It's like, whoa Stop Yeah, these are all connected it goes from one one event to the next everything is flows evenly Because of because he got beaten up He lost the sign because he got lost the sign He got in trouble at work because he got in trouble working beaten up He got his friend gave him a gun before because he got a gun, you know, and so on so forth Every single main event in this movie is connected. It's not random. It's not just all thrown together at Well at random. It's not it's all connected well paste Oh, yeah, how does he shoot those guys in the subway? Where'd he get the gun from? He was he just pulled out of either. Oh my god Oh my god, and it all starts with a bunch of little fucking jerk Taking the man's sign and it all just begins in avalanche and if someone wants to argue Why would kids take a sign as I think? Because they're kids you fucking idiot That's what they do They do dumb stuff There was a there was a fucking love signs There was a post on reddit of it was just called kids are assholes And it's just a guy recording from his phone There's like six kids that are just trying to pick up and turn over a car. It's just on the street This is parked and they do it and the second it topples over they just sprint away. It's like wow Thanks a fucking lot I was like, of course kids do shit like that the last day of school when I was in the eighth grade eighth grade right So here in america That's the grade before you go to high school, right? So eighth grade last day of school There's a kid in my class his name was hunter Right, and he he pisses on the outside of the school building right and and they could tell because cameras exist But also because there's this big old wet spot on the side of the building where somebody clearly pissed on it Last day of school. He was fucking idiot. He had one more day to go and he was scott fucking free But he pissed on the building why because kids are dumb Kids are dumb and they'll do anything for a laugh or a giggle Or something. I got my car. Someone said their teenage is not kids What So when we say kids so once you turn 13 you are a mature adult You don't do anything childlike at all. That's a good argument. I hope you feel glad that you made it one time Kids keyed my car. My car was just sitting there as they do and they were walking down the road And one of the kids saw it and they walked a little bit further You know, look back and he went and he made a bunch of key car marks on over the hood and he ran away Why because he's just I don't know because kids are fucking assholes Ralph Ralph didn't say that. I know you're fucking 12 years old or whatever Ralph. Jesus. You know this shit Kids do dumb things. You know what you've taken it too far because we've been assaulting someone who doesn't even Like it was it was jeff b. He said that right? Why would kids take a sign? Well, the fucking guy in the movie said that as well the guy at what kind of movie? Oh, yeah, the boss man The point being And then he's like, why would you believe that I would take the sign? He's like, it doesn't fucking matter. The sign's gone It doesn't matter where the sign is I don't know why people do the things they do. He says that because I don't know why they do people do things I don't know This is the thing if if you're gonna appeal to no nobody would do nobody would do something so horrible as to hit another human I'd be like, oh man Yes, anyway And then the guys bully him They beat him up all these bad things happen to him all at once the king of comedy They start all at once All at once And he just moved on to say the king of comedy is so much more subtle. I'm very uh curious Yeah, tell me about this. Tell me about the subtlety of the king of comedy. Please. Tell me about that movie I like king of comedy. I do. I really legitimately like it. I think I think mr. Pipkin Is a good relatable protagonist man It's not subtle. I wouldn't describe it as subtle. It's not subtle. The most subtle movie that we saw was They were never really here. Was that the most subtle? You were never really there. I think that's what it is I'm questioning my Not actually present most of the time. I was never not here That's it. That's 100% it Yeah, but that was subtler almost subtle to the point of where we were going like what? Yeah, sure. Um King of comedy is not subtle. Yeah, it's well. I'm curious what in what way is he saying it's subtle That's all that's all I want to know Hey, hey, hey, you know, guess what? You know the bee in subtle is subtle Oh I just fucking shit myself. Oh my god So subtle. I shit like just stare at the ceiling tonight. Well, you can't get to sleep and think of that gem That movie was never really titles ladies on your next date with that one All at once the king of comedy is far more subtle and how it portrays a character like this King of comedy Come on. It's okay. It's very subtle. Oh my god comedy So all the other main characters are really they're really exaggerated. It's not subtle He's uh, like like so what comes to mind immediately is the shot where he is uh standing at like a giant poster of Anne's like clapping and waving. I think it is He's just standing in front of it like as if they're all for him Then there's obviously the shot where he's with um, but what does it mean moller? Again, again, I'm gonna do what rags just said. I actually really like king of comedy And I don't think that I would say a flaw of the film is that it's not subtle I'd be like no, no, it it's just yeah, because miss arthur rupert pup pipkin He's he's not a subtle guy. He wouldn't That seems okay living out chump while he's living out his fantasies He has no reason to be subtle. It makes sense in the narrative that it wouldn't be subtle Yeah, in this conversation that rupert is having with the lady that he likes I forget her name. Her name is karla for this analogy while he's talking about He's not subtle here either. In fact, she is annoyed at how much he goes on and on and on about it It's like he didn't watch this movie, but he did a long long time ago. And he thinks he remembers it right But he doesn't So speak with me I just I think the film is very very clear about the kind of character rupert is and the subtlety So I'm just going from the fact that you just he said that they're very subtle about the characterization Yeah, he's not pumpkin isn't even an only one. It's uh, that fangirl that fangirl character They could have um, they could have had her just be a another because they had other Examples of fangirls around the jerry character and they just they they hang on him and everything But the other one was crazy and she was the main fangirl because pubkin and she know each other And she was far exaggerated She's the worst of worst aspect of every delusional deranged ralo-esque fangirl you could ever encounter Yeah, I would actually I would describe her as uh, one dimensional Yeah, she's she plays a crazy person. She's obsessed. She's the obsessive fangirl. That's all she is She's just she's just a crazy person. Yeah that movie sick because she's not a three dimensional character Who's super fleshed out. Yeah, because I could be like she represents that Ideal idealizing celebrity is bad like she represents the negatives of that and that's all the characters do In king of comedy that aren't uh, rupert, but that would be a disservice to a lot of the characters in king of comedy Uh, like jerry jerry's a very interesting character. You get to learn a lot about him birth of a nation Okay Sure, we'll do it. Which? Yes All these bad nations happen to him all at once the king of comedy is far more subtle and how it portrays a character like this king of comedy Title drop pumpkin is a guy raised by He calls him pubkin It's weird how many people do it All the pubkin, but that's the joke is that he's Dave's pipkin. What if he's what about if he's 3d Master chassing us right now and that's the joke is that he's getting his name wrong Think about it. We fell for his 3d chess Three litter literally all of the 3d chess works because normally chess is only 2d 1d chess 1d chess 17d chess. It's like one of those shitty flash games on ebom's world. Oh my god. Remember ebom's work Everybody demonic defense to an ass hunter Ass hunter Oh my god. I remember there's a flash. I'm sorry. It's a little bit Ass hunter The point is that his name is not pumpkin. It's pipkin Maybe it's pumpkin Trying to say the word pumpkin. Oh my god, it is It's pumpkin Pippkin it's a gate. I really was I was really not expecting to find a real game, but it is one What I want to place an ass hunter Yeah, I'm not making this up. I'm still making sense. I'm still in control of my faculties Ass hunter was a game where the gay people were trying to hump you But you had to shoot them and kill them first and demonic defense too was a game where you had a castle And you had to click on enemies to kill them before they got to your castle Hmm Everyone's like grids your ancient is like no, I'm not I just remember this I'm gonna play ass hunter now That is how to correctly spend your life Stop letting me allow wait. Let me run flash Flash was blocked to this page. Let me not do that. Oh, there's gonna be flashing an ass hunter. You bet your bottom dollar there is That was in the shirt rags Let this poor man speak Ripper pumpkin is a guy raised by television. He's only used to watching artificial human behavior on talk shows very subtle But yeah, no, yeah Blinking you miss it is Recreating an entire tv set in his fucking house in the scene that you're showing with your visuals ralph. It's so subtle What does it mean ralph? Almost painstakingly in an unhealthy way recreated a movie set in his house Ralph it's so subtle What does it mean? He doesn't actually interact with human beings because he doesn't have friends it works out for him Well, I mean I mean, I don't know that I would conclude that about him. He's pretty good at interacting with humans It's only when it doesn't get what he wants is that he starts to crack Yeah, when he when he goes into the television office place He's normal like that's the thing about him. That's what's kind of so interesting Is that he's totally normal when he's interacting with people even Even on his date, right? He's he's kind of normal in the way that he talks he's just but it's that one thing he obsesses over that Really makes him stand out from a normal man, right? Yeah, besides We don't know like how does he make money? There's so much of his life. We don't know. How does he pay the bills? is his mom even Of real is she even alive is a figment of his imagination We don't even know for so much. We don't know about him But he seems to be a normal well adjusted person Asterisk and this film is about that asterisk at the end of it and um Yeah, he's like he's patient too. He's like willing to always sit down wait very calm very civil It's just the with every conversation he has as it progresses. Like there's just this underlying like You're not like a crazy person, right? Yeah, and obviously we get insight into his head that he he has these crazy vivid imagination moments Yeah, oh also. Fuck me about subtlety He gets he has his marriage on tv Like he imagines his marriage taking place as a surprise on a tv show That's the clip that ralf is that's what that's what I mean. That's why it just hit me. I was like he's not subtle Come on. He's doing this. He's doing all of this while While the guy he hated one of the guys he apparently hated or had enemies Came up to him and says I would like to apologize to you and throw him the entire world Yeah, doing the wedding the guy who's doing the wedding It's like on behalf all of us who doubted you were so sorry. Please accept our condolences Like ralf back to back plays like the two scenes that are the most non subtle things he does It's like, yeah, this movie is great because it's so subtle. I just didn't understand what what did did did ralf pipkin Did rupert pipkin did he what does he really want in life? I'm just I'm baffled What does he really want read in this movie the king of subtlety by this boy? It's not a problem. I just find it fascinating you describe this as subtle It's like all right. How can you argue this movie? This is good. This is a good movie But how can you argue it has it's filled with all of this subtlety and not Put it put that argument in a parody video again That's that's a that's a digger for the like is this a parody video Survey says yes, but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be This is the most blatant of like all the movies we watch. I don't know is which is more Which is more subtle this movie or falling down? Um, we see this movie So if the question is which one gives away what is going on inside the character's head more overtly I would say it's this one Um, what I like I said about falling down At first I think you could be convinced that he is your average guy who's just fed up with the world But then you get all the the little bits and bobs about how he came to that point Um, this is a little bit more complex and how he definitely at the end of the film Regrets what he does Like this probably wasn't the best course of action and that all he wants is to be with his family That's he's desperate to just be with his daughter You feel sad for him at the end like you legitimately feel like You're like, oh man this dude Like something's going on and it's really fucked with him. Well, that's too bad. I hope he doesn't Yeah, while pupkin, I mean Get fucking shot off a pier. Yeah, that would be unfortunate if that happened. That would be tragic for this gentleman But uh, yeah, all right. All right. Let's uh, yeah, let's keep going if you're on talk shows He doesn't actually interact with human beings because he doesn't have friends It works out for him with Rita and you understand why she likes him It works out for him with Rita No, it doesn't it doesn't at all. That's a fucking lie. Is he referring only to their date? their first date Because it doesn't really go it goes okay like okay listen if if you If she says do you want to come inside after you drop her off at your house? Your date's gone pretty good All right, that's a success, right? You've already done good, but like he but she thinks he's a psycho and a weirdo when he goes to when he goes to TV man's house Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work out for him at all. Why does he not? Why does he say that maybe well? So my quick take would be that he made a statement earlier saying that he doesn't have friends He can't interact with people properly and he knows that he does that very quickly in the movie when we meet him With Rita and with jerry in the car. He's actually very capable of this and so he's probably maybe this is a form of backpedaling Like yeah, yeah, it works with Rita. Okay, but that no because Look, I just don't think it was a particularly strong point in general it doesn't like it sort of works with Rita, but Well, they go they go in off the fact that they knew each other in high school I believe right she says that's not the reason why she's giving him the time of day So it's like, oh, I know you hey something. Yeah, yeah, yeah Beings because he doesn't have friends it works out for him with Rita and you understand why she likes him You don't understand what a shot of life. It means that's coast to coast national tv A bigger audience than the greatest comedians used to play to in a whole lifetime. What are they eating? That was pretty deceptive. I mean he said it works out with Rita showing a picture Seen with him marrying her which is not actually occurring. It's a fantasy If you hadn't seen the movie you might be tricked into thinking that he ends up marrying Like that's not what happens in this movie I'm getting more and more convinced that this is a parody and this this can't be real Well, we can we can conclude that by the end if you want there'll be pieces of evidence to go Both ways the scenes are showing here is when they're like most getting along Like this is like kind of the high point. This is beginning of the movie almost. Yeah. Yeah, sort of um But the reason I paused Because I don't know what are they eating Like I can't I can't nail it down like it's food rags cheese american psycho-esque dishes I feel like in the middle we have odd setup where you have like the raised plate with stuff in it But like is this some kind of like like an indian place or something? It's a cling on delicacy. Yeah. Oh my god kapla All of this we're more believable and interesting than what they do in this movie Do you remember Ralph when he has a a whole radio station? In setup in his room and he pretends to run commercial breaks for himself being Invited to a show that isn't real. You know how subtle that is So subtle. I don't know what it means. It's well, I'm glad I'm glad you managed to pick it up You picked it up. Yes. I I had no idea. I I Basically just added in because there's literally no other female characters in the movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way There's the Joker's mother, which is basically an exact What his mother has with his mother in you were never really no, so that's a fucking lie All right, because I saw you were never really here And that's not true at all For context for those who have not seen that movie he does live with his mother and we will try and avoid spoilers I suppose but um She's in the movie for what I would say is about two minutes Very little very little She's not in the movie much Very much a situation where she relies on Joaquin Phoenix and um, she's not all together there in her head But that's basically all we know And he's almost like he's like resentful that he has to take care of her. Well, there is the aspect that uh She and he were both abused by the the father And that may have caused like what whoever no like there's there's a lot to be um interpreted from details in that film, but uh It's much I find like this is the thing I feel like I I'm it's almost like you're like, oh you're just trying to contradict it Like the word I would use for joker's relationship with his mother is that it's much more fleshed out Yeah, I mean just going by the time by the time times He just gave us like two minutes and and joker the mother is like an integral part of the movie And a big part of why it goes fucking insane in the end Yeah, so the the plot goes the way it goes for her in um, uh Joker Is that she worked for? um the Wayne family She adopted uh Arthur She was booted From service from the wanes because of Mental faculties the faculties. I believe I'd have to rewatch the specific scenes something along those lines and she Got a boyfriend slash husband slash whatever partner that um was extremely abusive to Arthur and here And uh the police were involved. She got uh committed He he was eventually committed. I don't know if that was from that age or once he was much older And then once they were out, uh, they would still together, uh That's like the the history is is extremely important and then you see from the movie in present day He's actually quite dismissive of him as well as she's like a combo of dismissive and loving depending on um Different parts to her the fact that she just says like you're not going to be a good comedian Because you're not funny. Yeah, she's she's kind of a jerk to Arthur. She's kind of a and she's delusional Uh, or at least clinically delusional as the papers say Yes As we discover Film progresses and even though it takes place all at once Eventually we discover that she is And so yeah, I would just conclude I'd be like so much more to her character than there is for this character in Uh, you would never really there assuming I keep forgetting if I've got that name, right? It's too hard for my brain to keep track of which of the Where's I'm supposed to use I'm gonna get reminded and chat every time I do this and I'm sorry, but it's uh, yeah You were never really here. That's your opinion Just staying flushed out anyway. Also. He says that there are no fleshed out female characters, um And obviously the first one you would reference would be his mother probably and that's why he immediately says Eh, just a clone of uh, that other movie Didn't he say there are no flushed out characters except for the Joker seems kind of a Oh like a redundant thing to say Yeah, I mean, I think you guys would agree right if you were to say a character is one dimensional They're not very no characters there were none of the more laments I suppose I suppose you could be a flat. Can you be a flashed out one dimensional character? Uh, what was was the mother in the other movie was she fleshed out? No, no Would you call her fleshed out? He's certainly less of a character than in Joker I I think that I I hate to assign motivations to people But I kind of feel like I feel like it's just blatantly not true because I've seen both these movies Mahler, I was called a smaller rags, but I'm Stop drinking for a little bit. You're never really here And the mother in that Is not at all like the mother in Joker. No, completely different But if you're being broad if you're being nice and broad. She is a mother. She has mental issues and she is old If you're gonna but at the point at this point, we're like broad to the point of uselessness Well, that's how I feel about the comparisons. I always felt that that's just too broad. It's like I know right No other female characters in the movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way Also interesting when he goes to FEMA exactly satan. He talks about female characters Why why is gaby female characters? Why he focuses on female characters? What about just characters fleshed out female characters in 1917? That is true Yeah, women didn't exist back then Yeah Basically just added in because there's literally no other female characters in the movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way That doesn't even make sense as an argument because there are no other female characters. That that's not That's not how that works like a fee an interesting female character was placed into the film because there are no other Interesting female characters. You'd be like that's not the reason why she's here. That's not even that's not anything This film only has it's one interesting plot because without it there wouldn't be an interesting plot. Oh my god I can't really do anything with that. It's just like all right Jerry is only in the in the king of comedy to give, you know, the main character some motivation Goal. Oh, what is that? It's it's cheap. Oof. Yeah The camera is only running some scenes could happen It's so often Can't accommodate just about a guy who's obsessed with a celebrity. I mean who wants to watch that That's really cheap and dumb. You know what I mean? The movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way There's the Joker's mother which is basically an exact copy of the relationship He has with his mother in you were never really here except the wrong I mean, uh, I I don't want to say too much for the sake of spoilers, but let's just say the relationship is very different chat you've seen these movies you know, that's wrong and You will see these movies and as you do you will be like, you know what? That thing Ralph said that one time That was a fucking lie Rags how many beers have you had? What is it one? No, it's not one Is it two? One half Look the video is playing was your So she walks in the room and she's all my oh my god, it's the guy from next door And right there It's obvious what happened. Oh, he imagined the relation. Yeah. Yeah, so That's the point of the video to the audience the audience You know you all the obvious after it was we all know where this is going This is one of the most parroted criticisms of joker that uh, they show you this And a smart person figures this out But a dumb person may not and so they show flashbacks to all the scenes that she was in where she's not in them anymore And that that means the film is bad because that's a whole Six seconds that could have been cut from the film But they didn't when when they're blowing up alder on they're like fire the weapon at alder on and then you see alder on blow up What a waste of time So, yeah, I guess that kind of highlights the character because I'm assuming that's where he's going I could be totally off base, but I just that's what I remember um The the idea there being like If the if there was an hour spent with characters talking about how she was an illusion Like there's just an hour. They're like, she's not real. She's not real. No, she's not everything she was in not really there Flashback flashback those are papers saying used to talk about how she was there But she's not flashback and then another character came saying how was that relationship going turns out? She's not real. Oh my god. I'd be like Jesus Christ I get it Okay, but this we're literally so I was actually surprised on the rewatch uh with the flashbacks Because I've seen so many videos talking about how excessive it is and then it lasts I want to say six seconds. I could be underestimating. Let's just say 10 for the sake of argument. That is even a tiny portion of the film It's ridiculous again, I agree. I think the flashbacks the film would be stronger, but like It's six seconds of runtime. This is the one fit criticism that you like that is fair. You did it I kind of I like I don't know that it's definitive. Um, yeah, I I like them because when they happen It's kind of it follows right after you learn That she's just like she's been hallucinated by Arthur, right? So right after you get that and you're still kind of riding that high of the reveal It's it's kind of showing you that she wasn't ever really there I think it works and it doesn't cost anything and it's a big signal that he's realizing it too And it gives us a little bit more time to sit with the actual fact of it, which Is more important than maybe realized that I would say in terms of You you have to think about those scenes for a moment and what she says in each of them to him and about the events Because it's actually he him that's saying all of it It's actually like so just just off the top of my head, right? Like she says that she she tells him He's funny when when they first meet so that's so now we know that that's him telling himself that And uh, his mother had was confirmed to have narcissistic tendencies or personality disorders was just like oh god It's it's clearly translating To him as well in the scene with looking at the paper She describes what he did as kind of like heroic and awesome because he is three less Three less assholes in the world. I think she says That's clearly what he thinks That he doesn't feel guilt for killing them. He feels good about it I find that very interesting in terms of a recontextualizing Of the of the dialogue. It's like it's no longer her perspective. It's his Um, and so yeah, I just think that it's it's a moment that could be let you can give it time to breathe just a little bit It's kind of seeing that that scene in fight club where you find out tyler durden is spoiler alert The same guy is edward nordin, right, but that's a film that you're not allowed to criticize so people say it's okay Oh, yeah, it's okay. It's okay there. It's okay when fight club did it. Yeah, and for the record. I like it in both of them But uh, oh, yeah Fantastic author. He's my one of my favorites Anyway She ship with her I guess that makes sense because he's a weirdo, but then because no he's not ideas, but that's kind of reductive I feel like it's kind of reductive This movie is made for the 14 year olds who thought batman versus superman was of ground And then because this movie was made so What we're in trouble now because he just described this movie was made 14 year olds. It's like 14 year olds. What? 14 year olds, okay So if you like this movie in any way you're you're just an immature 14 year old. He said it was major 14 year olds Your opinion is meaningless. I guess that's what he's trying to get at Again again. You're you're another your opinion is meaningless argument. Fantastic Gosh, why I can't imagine why so many people didn't like this video Maybe it's because because he calls them 14 year olds if they like I think it's because that fucking stupid children. Yeah, stupid children. That's that's what it is This would be a throws popcorn moment at this video When I'm eating I will answer you because Because it's shut up. So this I'm having A london broil, right? That's I would like to think I'd like to thank mauler and his people for making london broil I think it's just a cut of the animal It was very good. It's very cheap. It's you can do a lot with it. It's like right It's like the the rice of meat Right do a lot with it. I made all of it at once and I whatever I didn't have I cut up the whole thing and I put in the fridge so I can have it later There you go chat. We made it for you rice me and my people It's so good though. Cause you do anything with it Some cages Just stick it in the fridge and just chill it and just have a little bite here and there Is that your last name? Go ahead. Oh my god Thank you mauler. My last name is soilo. It's soilo And mauler is well-tried Pronounce wailish, but you know Yeah World she's a weird world Because this movie is made for the 14 year olds who thought batman versus superman was a grump And then because this movie was made for the same demo as the people smooth video so bitter. He's so angry. I'm set That's it man People are upset like Ralph Ralph is angry that people really like this Ralph when he was googling the news And he can't he heard that Joker's getting all these Awards when he's googling the news switch to And he was fine. He found out that joker got all these awards. He was pissed. He was mad He must have been super upset that oh, I just can't believe it I don't know how mad he was when that joker made like a what a billion dollars Oh, well, no it goes further than that the oscar nominations people went nuts They were like fuck this this movie is a child idiot nods said meaningless boo That uh, the 11 nominations gave me life. It was fantastic Also a couple people are saying in chan. I think it's fair to bring it up at this point His audio is strange in this video. Yes What's wrong with it? Just um different it feels like different parts of it recording at different times in different ways A lot of them are cut harshly There's a couple of pumps like uh, he's he's usually pretty good with audio That's that's the thing. I think people the reason why people are bringing it up I want to cut Ralph harshly. Oh my god No, I that was I mean in a video game I Think I should You're spooking satan rags The opinions of rags do not reflect the opinions of the other Nor do they reflect the opinions of satan Dressing sarcasm the words of rags do not affect the opinions of rags the words of rags do not affect the opinions of rags Also, if you want to know why I re-recorded so much of my first video that I'm doing right now This is basically how it sounded at some places some like different person. Wow Recorded look at melby like I'm better than Ralph the movie maker. Yeah, okay. All right, buddy. Yeah Seeing this I'm pretty confident to be honest Wow You're a subscriber of life No, I don't get like life's newsletter. You don't all they're great dude. They have like Yeah, they talk about like things loads of it. Oh fuck. I love those You know what's really weird about the batman suit there Is that if you're gonna make a big batman armor suit, why did you not have anything over your mouth? Why not cover that up? Maybe there's something retractable that can come over Cause someone could just shoot you in all that arm and shoot you in the mouth and all that arm or any worse shit now Is it how would superman know that he's frowning if he had something over his mouth? What there's also no cover over his butthole. Oh my god, so he just poops inside it How are you supposed to poop with that suit on you need a butthole? He has a bat flap at the bottom and that that code piece he's got there just lifts up Yeah Anyway And then because this movie was made for the same demo as the people who liked batman versus superman We need to cut to flashbacks that show that she wasn't actually there and spell it out to the audience Oh my god, I think is so bad So what is bad about it? So you got a guy being like be nice to you that look at the guy looking back They're all drunk. They're all drunk It's like it's fine Yeah, are you going to criticize? My writing this video reminds me of when like people realized they could get a million views for saying anything bad about Brie Larson So it was like wow look at this interview footage of Brie Larson Next next to her Chris Hemsworth raises a eyebrow clearly this means she's committed genocide I knew it That is true though. She did probably Yeah, we did establish that bad about this writing in the senior tell Tell me why I need to know I was gonna say like These points not only are they very thin but they're not even qualified like what do you mean in comparison to what like why it's just like It's just bad It's just bad Oh my god, the acting is so bad Don't ignore me. He's being nice like what he's cartoon characters That's the thing with the tone of this film. Is it trying to be realistic? It feels like it's set in like some grand kind of dceu But if you're trying to make a real film No, it is Not that is not what they were going for at all I mean what Wait, so I can't follow Well, does anyone we can replay that if you want or because I think we all disagree there It's just the guy's acting is bad. We doesn't really point out why it's bad Like we he could have done this or he is an election was wrong. He just he just mocks him in a goofy fashion That's that's all this criticism Oh my god, this criticism is so bad. Oh that acting is so bad Ralph your acting is bad in this video. Ralph. Yes, Ralph pretend Pretend that you are the director and you're on the site scene So you're on set set you're on set And all of the characters and actors are doing their thing and you y'all cut cut cut cut cut and everyone stops because you're director and then you say You did a bad job, right? You didn't do good What Ralph if you were in the director shoes Tell us, right? What would you? Tell the actors if you wanted them to do better. You wouldn't just tell the actors. No, no, that was shit. Do it again It's like no like tell your actors why Tell them what your vision is tell them. I guess he thinks it's obvious Want them to do I I guess he does but here's the thing. It's not I don't have any idea what he's talking about Right, obviously you go up to the actor and then just mock what they just said in a goopy fashion But they said oh, he's messing with you. Oh, he's messing with you do it better. That's what you do They fly now Is he obviously flying now it feels like it's set in like some grand kind of dceu But if you're trying to make a the weird thing is I didn't I thought he knew this But this film was actually designed to be standalone standalone What evidence did he did he see that gives him the impression that it's supposed to be part of a grand dceu What's that video about screen crush? Oh my god, that that's it all fits together that video appears in this video Yeah Wait what yes So there's a video that I responded to where uh someone makes the argument that uh Joker is clearly a part of the dceu. It's a really bad video Um, and my video responding to that is in this video So it all links together. Oh my god. It's a real film like a parker cinematic universe I want to clarify. He said a real film. You just grow. Is it not film is a real film Like taxi driver where a guy in the backseat of the taxi Just goes on and on and on to some random stranger about how he's gonna murder his wife with a 44 magnum and in stuff Yeah, like a real film But if you're trying to make a real film like an art film then throwing in these connections to like an art film And having these cartoonish characters you say dumb cartoon then very drunk They're young men who are Like have you ever gone out? Have you ever been with people like having fun time? Have you ever gone outside? Have you ever Not been with your dog at your fireplace at christmas? Have you ever like done stuff? This is a very realistic scene. This is how people can be People can be silly and sometimes they can be a little bit aggressive They can come on a bit too strong Sometimes they are not very self-aware about how they're behaving in front of other people I understand That irony could be applied to that but This is how people are this is very relatable and a realistic scene This is how people are they speak in a vulgar way not like rude but like vulgar and like from latin vulgar You know like them the common tongue a colloquially, right? This is a very relatable scene. It's not wrong with this. This is how people actually behave, bro Yeah, I mean get off social media for a little bit where they don't we they don't have filters anymore And listen to how actual people speak and not only these people are are they young and drunk? They're also rich They have a lot of money to spend and they have a all the time in the world on their hands Yeah, they call what are they I can't remember if they were cold like investment bankers or something like that Yeah, they do say in the phone We're for Wayne some the Wayne enterprises. Yes Um And yeah, I just want to highlight elvic in chat said Warner Brothers didn't even finance the entire film themselves It was low low budget comparatively. It wasn't changed for china. It's r rated. There's no merch Ralph is completely off base about it being like You know designed to be interconnected or whatever. Yeah, well he was asking is this film supposed to be sorry That's too deep for al has this film spots being realistic And i'm thinking what's like what's unrealistic about it like that's the thing he says it This is a claim and it's pretty it's a pretty big one too. Is like this film trying to be realistic What was unrealistic about it? Tell me I because I think it's fairly grounded believable kind of film Dialogue like It takes some dialogue is something funny asshole a lot of people will say that verbatim If someone is laughing at you, would you say the words is something funny asshole? I can vouch for this people have said this to me a lot People would actually say this Go out in public and start laughing around or at a bunch of people a bunch of guys in a group Who have been drinking a bit they're gonna ask Something funny asshole It's just like a normal thing. That's a really normal piece of dialogue. Yeah, it's a staple hostile phrase. Okay Ralph tell us what they should have said that wasn't clunky. Tell them if you were a director If if they said something funny asshole And you would say cut cut cut cut and they stop this director What would you have said no no you you need to say This this is what people say It's not that tell me Ralph. Don't just tell me it's wrong. I would tell me why just too much You bastard Are Thy northern end of a southern bound swine Hey, there was a suggestion chat you have it a laugh brav. That's what he should have said Real life isn't sanitized. Okay, it's not so they're gonna get banned on real life. Dude real life isn't well written It's not well written It's not sanitized. It's real life is ribbed for your pleasure. Okay. That's what real life is. Oh my god Even satan said that so You know, it's true Movie completely, it's not realistic if you want to be like metaphorical with this stuff Why would you say that why would you say? Hey It's not realistic if you want to be metaphorical He's like, which do you want Ralph? Well, he I think he's saying he's he's He's drawn out that it it's not realistic. So therefore it can only be metaphorical and if you want to be metaphorical I think that's his through line. You just sort of But um, I'm I'm I'm bothered by the What an asshole is a metaphor. They're not actually an asshole I'm bothered by the skipping over because a hole isn't even anything You're like what is the hole? It's like it's more like a like a gap in something really I don't even specifically referring to that line as a metaphor But like I'm still blocked all the way back at like why is he cancelled out that this could be realistic What what's what made it so that it had to be defined people don't say the word asshole or ask if things are funny Yeah, I'm I'm lost. I'm stuck all the way back at that Like I said, tell us what they should have said Ralph You are a movie maker After all tell us what they should have said. I just can't believe he can say this without this being a parody This is over and over again He fooled us It's like no, I was only pretending to be retarded Yeah, if this turned out to be parody that is uh, that would be the case Yeah Well, like I said, we don't lose because we're countering these arguments as if they're real anyway Because a lot of people do make these arguments. So it's all good. All of this is but I actually I think the reality is much more Depressing for him in that his audience are trying to defend it would be like it's parody and he's like I mean, I guess his audience didn't get it if this is parody It's that's the thing. In fact, it was too subtle in his parody. I yeah, I should clarify that That's kind of unfair because a lot of his audience did not actually feel that this was a parody A lot of them were very upset with this video. So And the new thing to do now Wait, wait, it's click it if if the if this is just supposed to be a parody The why disable people watching it on outside of youtube Why why disable replay on external sites if it's just parody, right? Or a bait or something Kind of weird kind of weird Yes, strange Movie completely it's not realistic If you want to be like metaphorical with this stuff like you got to be more subtle and the new thing to do now Yeah subtle like the king of comedy. Yeah, king of comedy subtle. Okay When someone gives an opinion you don't like is to say, oh, well, yeah, get cooled out j Yeah, j Take joker review The thing to do now when someone has an opinion that you don't like is to say they're wrong Yeah, this this falls back on him immediately. Doesn't it he's like this is just dumb that you're doing this like well Is that what you're down doing? Isn't he rejecting the notion of a bad take right like is he saying those are impossible? Well then Surely by that logic he's saying your take is bad to have a take that says another take is bad, right? No, shut up Like what i'm saying is this this this cascades because you can't say I could just I could this is why it works forever I should be like it's just my opinion about your opinion So you can't say that my opinion is I can't have an opinion on your opinion being a bad opinion because that's my opinion So if you go to joker on youtube movies How come joker ends in quotation marks, but doesn't have one in the beginning of it What oh, yeah, what is that a oh that's silly. That's weird. He's making typo on their own movie. Yeah, I think that's a typo Oh my god Well, they obviously watch our show. So now they know there you go guys that's out of character youtube wouldn't make a mistake No Fun idea fun fact the the quotation mark used to be there and then youtube released a helpful update where they removed it Oh, that is yeah, that sounds like youtube. We removed a thing that was correct Also, I think uh now it's been revealed that the title of the stream may have been influenced by uh The movie maker has a bad take on the joker Who's told by right So makin is one of his characters. I believe this this is what someone told me Um, and this is a fake obviously upload fake video. He's pretending to have done on himself with his like parody character Um, but we're now making it a reality and 12 minutes and 47 seconds. That is weak source I'm genuinely curious if this is supposed to be a shot at me or not because like i'm doing the thing that he's bitching about Right. I mean it has to be right like I don't I don't think it was but deliberately aimed at you He just searched for that and then screen shot. No, I mean you personally most of the idea You're just the one that was there, you know So like I'm sure this shot is aimed at all all five of us for example Like not just you if you type in bad take joker review j your video is on top. Yay The best Yeah, I just want to clarify His video also comes up as one of the first results I want to clarify that jay is the problem not us. You see jay is the one that's been making giving efeb a bad name As as ralf has just pointed out. He is the bad tism. I'm glad we've uh We've highlighted this Yes The movie maker he has a bad take his take it's just a bad take I want to delve into the metaphors and yeah, it is a bad take Yeah, I would I would like to have him on here and I would ask him Is it possible to have a quote-unquote bad take and if he says no Then I'd start giving what I would assume a ubiquitous bad takes and just see how long it takes for him to define Okay. Yeah. Oh, no, okay fine that and what does he have room to stand on this? I mean there this entire video so far even if it's only been four minutes has been him going over and saying You see this acting that's bad acting moving on to just see this Moving on Let's just do an example, right? So it's bad. Uh rags. Let's let's play this out. All right. So, um, I don't like joker Find out why I don't like joker Um, ask me why ask me what what am I playing? You're playing Yourself, okay, if I'm playing me. Yeah, you play Fine play Ralph and you don't believe this such a thing as a bad take Okay So ask me why Okay. Oh, all right because if I just thought I was Ralph believing that um What am I supposed to ask you so I'm saying I I think joker is a bad don't ask me why Why do you think joker is why do you think joker is a bad? Well, because the a lot of the marketing showed the walking phoenix was in the movie He's barely in it Like most of the film is about Robert De Niro's Stupid show or about his mother or about all these tertiary characters Like you see him for what like five minutes in total like I really didn't even get to know him at all And it's like oh, yeah, it's all a character study. That's nonsense. He's barely in it Plus you can tell what the cuts are Who's jay playing Your conscience I suppose Oh my conscience in this case. I don't even know The point is that Ralph would be like, okay No, that is a bad take and then you go why and he's like because you could definitively prove that joker is walking phoenix is in most of the movie and I'd be like So we can prove stuff, huh me Died here. That's the shittiest role play I ever did. Yeah. You tried what I was exposed to do after after I asked you What's so bad about it? I don't even know what I was supposed to do. We were improving. There was no script I'm sorry. I was supposed to say well, that's not well That's the thing if I'm trying to get into some mind of Ralph I guess Ralph would say like are you sure you're talking about the right movie? Because I think you could be mistaken And then you would say something along the lines of oh But I did see the right movie joker 2019 walking phoenix that one So are you saying that there is such thing as a bad take and then you would then force Ralph to take either the position that bad takes do exist But that would mean that what he said earlier was not correct or for the sake of consistency You would have to adhere to his previously stated bad position And then agree that it's not a bad take for you to say that walking phoenix was only in five minutes of the movie Even though it can be objectively proven that he was in the movie watch longer than that nailed it You see I don't think he believes that there's no such thing as a bad take I just don't think that he thinks he has like he thinks that he just has an opinion and that there's nothing that you can say but no about Um, okay. Yeah, I think he thinks that what he's doing is equivalent to saying no I just didn't like it very much. Well, I don't think that he thinks he has a bad take Right like no one thinks they have a bad take or they would have another take probably. Yeah, but I don't it's much more like The capability of him having a bad take like it's it's kind of Unheard like he can't believe that he could have a bad take on joker because to him So clear right like when he made this movie and he put a film video when he made this Video i'm sorry. I do this all the time We're watching someone's youtube video and I call it like a movie or a film. I don't mean to When joker made this video, okay, it is fine. It's the least of my sense um when Ralph made this I think that he thought this would be well received. I guess I'm is a huge I disagree the amount of comments he's put in this video Like he may as well have said in this video. This will not be well received He kind of does it other words, but it's like then why do it like if he knew it well No, you bring him a good point and uh, I just heard the next part of this and I remember this line Just just watch this clip. We're about to we're about to get to because I remember the shit Take I want to delve into the metaphors and allegory is a parasite you call joker So he he's saying as like an exhaustive sort of point about doing all of this I would rather be talking about parasite and it's like Go talk about do it. Yeah Talk about parasite. That's a great movie. Go talk about a film that you know you know about You're passionate about And so This is the thing like it Feels to me like he forced himself to make this video And that's why it's come out so wonky because he's like never try to force it out or you'll end up with Oh, oh, yeah, you know jay knows about that. Yeah, yeah I mean I shot myself earlier on the stream exactly and probably recently again. You never know No, yeah I don't know, you know, it's hard to tell if it's the same shit as before if there if there's more than there was earlier Yeah, also he says that by the way and you expect him to go on but it just cuts Well, it feels like it's a harsh audio cut to the next point. It's very look at what I mean about the strange sort of structure Allegory is a parasite. That's great. You call joker corny. Meanwhile you watch mr. Robot, which is way cornyer You know, mr. Robot has like dimensional characters in it That psychiatrist character see mr. Robot. Oh, I like I haven't seen mr. Robot. So I haven't watched it. I like the label dimensional characters as in characters with either between one or more dimensions It takes a genius to make a character with one or more dimensions Even though they can be a character without at least one What Krista and mr. Robot, she actually like does things in the plot. She has a life outside of our main characters So without having people have lives without having watched mr. Robot. That is a tv show They got a lot more time than a movie Wait, you can you can dedicate entire episode to a tertiary character if you wanted to Don't just have that luxury. It's a movie And yeah, there are pragmatic realities you have to And they account for and he needs to highlight which of the characters Needed to be more than what they were in joker and then you need to clarify why they needed to be more Which and why That one is an equivalent criticism to just saying oh no spaceships Well, I I think it's a legitimate criticism that the guy who pulled the lever and pressed the buttons to activate the death star Was not given more character that song who wrote it tell I did it was me Why super mode super mode they're the ones who made that song Tell me why tell me why is the song because someone said tell me why and then I think I said And then I was thinking of the song And I was like who made the fucking song because the album has the um It has the motorcycle helmet on the front the red one like who makes that fucking song that's super mode They made the song tell me why So, thank you rags. Thank you rags. Let's proceed I Mr. Robot she actually does things in the plot. She has a life outside of our main character's story She has a personality in this movie. What does the psychiatrist character do? Oh, she just regurgitates what the themes of the movie are they don't give a shit about people like you No, she only does it because she's brought to a breaking point. She is a therapist She's not motivated but what she does she's clearly going through the same problems that he is to a different degree Maybe she's not a lot of money. She's living in Gotham too As the the first scene in the film is arthur fleck and he's sitting down and he's applying his makeup, right? And the radio man he's talking about he's setting up this stuff for later, right? He's talking about how the trash is impacting everybody rich and poor everybody's getting affected by the trash So that's her she's living in Gotham. She's got to go through all these problems And then when she's go she's going to get fired anyway. She just flat out says it to him She has hit her point. She's like a little swear. She's like a little mini joker Right where she's got all the problems and bad stuff happens to her and she this is like a little breaking point for her Right, she's been fired. They cut the funding and she just outright says it arthur They don't give shit about you give a shit about me. She's being honest with him And I think that's a really kind of human thing to do dare. I say it it adds a bit of dimension to her character I know I was gonna say she's not someone I would highlight a single dimension when she you can You can tell she's she's she's listening to him and she's like this guy thinks that like everyone's out to get him Does he know that all of us are going through shit right now? Yeah, man Oh, like there are scenes In the movie also the highlight we had about this stuff, man The highlight we had from the other podcast where someone's like she's not actually Like a uh professional therapist. She's she's a social worker filling in for the job or the role Like she has that badge to to show that they're stretched thin So like she may not even be qualified for the job that she's necessarily having to perform or at least completely I think the whole point was that she wasn't And so yeah, like this is a lot of the whole point she he like arthur wasn't Getting the help and support that he needed and it was taken away despite and it was taken away The whole fucking argument here is so terrible. It's literally just the the therapist character isn't as fleshed out as another therapist You know what that therapist probably isn't as fleshed out as another therapist from somewhere else There was only one most fleshed out therapist Chat the chat said but we'd need a scene of her at the supermarket, right? It's true It's what the themes of the movie are And they really don't give a shit about people like me Society doesn't care about you society doesn't care about me Blah blah blah blah blah blah if every character was this just a very skilled It was a very mature way to explain to me how uh the film is failing You'd think you would think that being a 14 year old I would find that very funny I didn't find it very uninsightful. I feel like you could do it was better Full of unsightliness Asshole for no reason that I wouldn't watch the show. Oh Ralph. You just don't get it for no reason higher ending was a dream That's like the go to What is that have to do with what he was talking about? Therapist is the therapist doesn't have enough character. You don't get it. The ending was a dream What There was a video missing between those two points I don't yeah, I'm not sure how to respond to that fan theory when a movie's over it's like joker had dreamlike logic Even though every movie has dreamlike logic Thomas knows it well every every movie Maybe what does he mean by dreamlike logic? Yeah, like do you mean it's like to to some degree romanticized like a th white novel Anyone jay satan bell. What does he mean by dream like logic? Well, usually dreamlike is like surrealism, isn't it? So like something happening that shouldn't necessarily be possible And we get to like i was kind of like a tangible version of that might be some Alice in wonderland stuff, but this really happened with joker. He's more like Goes from real world to psychotic breaks. It is. There's no dreamlike logic throughout the movie Why did he show him get into the fridge? Is he trying to say that like that's not awesome He might still be clinging on to all hallucination thing that he imagined the The whole relation thingy. It's like, oh, that's all the dream If you if you were doing dreamlike logic, surely you'd use a different reference than the him getting into a fridge Yeah, well, no one gets into a fridge in real life. You only get to Maybe ralph always just dreams of being inside fridges The fridge is too cold. You can't get in there stop it What I I feel like what happened is he's like, oh, there was people that said that said it's all the dream So let me get those weird scenes out of the movie. See that's dreamlike Some people just drown themselves at the bottom of a bottle ralph this frees himself inside of that refrigerator Gorge is a pod bread. I don't think that I don't think that joker was a dream at the end and here's why so So at the end right we see the scene of the clown Man not joker the other clown the the rider man He shoots Thomas Wayne spoiler alert The spam is a back metal killed him and then Amateur sex video I prefer amateur sex videos actually I like them when they're I like that. I don't I they seem so fake Like they're not even really into it if they're professional They just don't The spammer said society doesn't care about jew's fact I don't know about that. I couldn't be that mods kill the people But the ending a joker isn't a dream because the rider He shoots Thomas Wayne But he kills the wife too If this was all a dream by arthur fleck, why would the man kill Thomas Wayne's wife? She hadn't done anything bad. She hadn't done anything to joker She hadn't done anything and we have multiple instances of him sparing people because they were nice to him And they hadn't offended him or wronged him in any way So why would he all of a sudden randomly break from this consistent rule that he'd be following? It doesn't make any sense. You see it doesn't make any sense, right? So There you go That's my reason little dog and beer emojis in the chat. Oh, yeah, I said false. Dun dun dun Oh my god What what parts false? I don't actually I'm not sure Oh Oh But also the fact that we even see that happening He's like, why would that be part of the dream sequence if he wasn't even there to Seems weird. I don't know kind of odd But I think in any case now with your sex videos Yeah Those are great. Just put one in the watch together Yeah, because I don't know about you But like the ones that look really really professional where the chick is like obviously a super mega hot person and the guy is like this Stud it's just like that's not real That's all the fast food commercials where you're like, you know, it's not actually going to look like that Like and falling down It's dream logic. Oh my god. We're referencing falling down Put an amateur porn video in the watch together and appreciate the subtlety of the story Dude railing some chick right in the right in the subtle it settles looking at comedy The way the jizz catches the qualities of the light when it streams. Oh, yes Is it flows to the snd as it's being shot really says something about this ugly people the way the jizz refracts the quality of the moonlight Oh no Logic even though every movie has dreamlike logic Thomas Wayne's I mean Bruce Wayne's father who's just a cartoonish dickhead punch a joker in the face He's not a cartoonish Oh boy, all right Okay, he's frustrated by that point the fucking randy's that's laughing at you At that point, he's put his fingers in your child's mouth and strangled your butler Had just laid hands on his son and almost and threatened to actually he'd started choking out for the death He just let go because he realized what he was doing And then you suddenly see this man who assaulted your butler and your son in the bathroom with you daddy Yeah, who yeah, he says like you're my dad don't lie to me And he actually shouts at him at one point and then he starts overtly laughing at him and obviously thomas wane doesn't know that's a condition Yeah, um, and I want to I want to clarify That me and rags have been more than aware of this argument from lots of videos And uh upon re-watching something I completely forgot After he punches him as he leaves the room. He says don't ever lay hands on my son ever again Yeah, yeah, he says basically if you ever touch my son again, I'll kill you. Yeah It's a father to techiest son from a creepy weirdo Son, well, you don't like what an asshole putting their body parts in your child's mouth What a cartoony loom Creepy winner and like I have to say That like I'm willing to bet it's just incompetence, but come on Ralph like You've you've cut the before and after away like Not cool, dude And why is he doing this? He's gonna prop up king of comedy He's gonna say king of comedy did this but better after creating a strawman out of joker's characters like not cool bad Hit with newspaper Who's just a cartoonish dickhead punches joker in the face jerry langford was way more Of realistic and how he dealt with rooper jerry But these are different characters In different scenes with different context in different Exactly I don't remember pupkin ever laying hands and on jerry's son I don't remember pupkin ever strangling his his secretary or something No, because those things don't happen And you know what's funny is uh one point pupkin gets what you could call violently thrown out of the building Yeah, kind of Yeah, in the security they they do forcibly remove Right, but so the the only thing that these two things. I mean they're two Males wearing clothes speaking in english to each other Are we getting broad again? Are we getting broad? I just feel like it's not I mean it's basically a ripoff of one another because when the two males speaking english on the planet are talk to each other No, it's never happens ever Not once There were happens what happened in king of comedy and in joker. I don't know that ripoff. Yeah but for those of you For those of you who have not seen king of comedy the king of comedy Mm-hmm. Sorry The king of comedy This is not anything like the bathroom scene in joker At all the bathroom not even in a bathroom I mean I say the world's your bathroom. I'm a dog Also, this is the beginning scene like the first time they meet they're actually good there because he helps him Get into his car and they talked a little bit. I mean the the talk show guy was a little bit annoyed But at the end it's like, yeah, sure whatever get us some tapes or whatever things Wouldn't it be great if in the bathroom scene just like as it was getting really intense in the background you heard Oh, yeah, no, yeah, that's better than what I was going to say Oh Well, I got some people waiting for me. I really don't know what my schedule is. Maybe we can okay Take it go ahead take it. Yeah, this is uh When he's first And it's when he starts to first get impressions that rupert isn't entirely normal because he keeps pushing him So it's good scene because I like this movie. It's very it's very well put together. I enjoyed this joke Consider it a gift. It'll work for you I will not that you need to help Jerry seriously, you ever want lunch my treat Don't keep pausing for the safety of the string. It's all good. Yes. All right. You never know Copytisms That's a high number. Okay. Also. Yeah, Ralph got hit with copyright on this video at some point So I'm just gonna be extra careful because I don't know Yeah, this seems like a pretty long scene. I can could imagine that this one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay Jerry who's getting pissed on that one? Oh, I'm sorry Yeah, um Jerry reveals later that he's like the only reason that he was being nice to him is because he wanted him to fuck off basically It's just like yep. You definitely get that impression Meanwhile, oh, well, that's fair. Look at that comparison. Look at that Wow, this isn't a sleazy edit in any way whatsoever. These scenes are exactly like Same context We showed the beginning of You didn't even show their conversation Yeah We show the beginning of of their relationship and king of comedy to this where it's already escalated. It's like, oh cool. Yeah, good job Yeah, how about if I what if I showed I'm punching people in the face what I should do is show a clip of uh joker and him having it back and forth Like arguing about the situation saying like see this is a really great character And then look at king of comedy and I show uh pup can get thrown out of the building and I'm like, oh, yeah Okay, that's it cool Yeah, and then like I cut to another piece of like jerry shouting at him in his house being like, why are you in my house? It'd be like see terrible But then how is joker supposed to look bad if he does that? Oh, my god. Oh, shit. Fuck It's almost like Fuck it bullshit Okay, I remember I just did Just continue. I'll say something mean No, no, you wouldn't know He talked to my son through an iron gate jokers God damn it. I just said I was gonna say something mean God damn it Ralph you piece of shit Listen like this being a fucking liar Oh, yeah Ralph lying to you. This is Ralph Lying at this point is the charitable This is Ralph lying to you. This is Ralph being very very deceptive Ralph doesn't show the fact that this stranger just walked up to the gate and put his fingers on my son's mouth He in the show park where there's a weirdo duty just put his fingers in my son's mouth started strangling my butler No, no Don't don't show that don't show that Just say something play a clip of something semi-relevant and then just go to the next scene Just go to the next scene. Don't even talk about it. Fuck you Ralph. You're a liar Apparently according to Ralph if someone puts his fingers in your son's mouth and you punch him out That's being a cartoonish dickhead Yeah, I almost am like if you didn't punch this guy Like Being a piece of shit if you didn't punch a guy putting his fingers Well, there were lots of acceptable reactions to it if you don't try to stop him Then yeah, you've been a piece of shit. Yeah People get very protective of the children. I don't know why that is. I can't figure it out myself, but uh, I had no idea Why would you want to protect your kin child? Huff spring cartoonish asshole Ralph told me because only silly cartoonish assholes protect their children Ralph's a poorly written character. I don't believe that any real person would be this stupid Yeah, that's why I keep getting the parody vibe. He's a cartoon These uh, these arguments are only convincing if you haven't seen either of these movies Oh, yeah, that's that's the other really big problem with this is This is really great to appeal to people who've either not seen the movie or don't remember it very well Because they'll be like, yeah, I guess that is how it went Ralph's, right? This is just Ralph is fucking lying to your face. I would say like Ralph But he watched the movie in order to make this video That's what he had to get the clips. He saw the films Ralph is lying to you Yeah, I would let him get away with it some poor man because he talked to my son through an iron gate Talk to his son that is so oh He talked to his son. He's out of chat. He's like, hi little kid. What's up? Let me put my fucking fingers in your mouth. It sounds like people trying to defend captain marvel Not to mention by the way But uh, all thomas would have been told was all from Alfred and Alfred is not gonna have a good position Like you'll probably be like this guy was trying to tempt your son outside of the gate He was touching him. He's putting his fingers in his mouth. Yeah And this is the guy. This is the guy who is the son of the delusional lady who tried to you know, like this is Just all bad. Like this. This is uh, this is really bad. This guy bad news You just cut that out there Ralph Wasn't a restraining order or something taken out on arthur flex mother by thomas wane or something I think I took a new action In the do you mean in like the set of files or do you because I can't remember if anyone mentioned it? I forgot, but I think there was something if I can't remember correctly Yeah, um, I uh, you know a lot of people like lie or incompetence um What do you what's the vote of the of the of the tale? It's a lie because you can't no fuck j. God damn it Listen Jay he had to go and get the scenes. He watched the film. He knew what happened in that scene He knew this is jay. This is a scene where arthur strangles a man And ralf just said I talked to a scene. He talked to a son through a gate. No jay. No You eventually You listen jay. I'm gonna tell you about being a man, right? You just you can't let people walk all over you like this But even worse is that you can't let people walk all over you You can't let people make make you a victim. You've got to stand up for yourself You got to call the stuff out when it happens. Okay Okay, jay. You got to stand up and grow a spine bone. Don't let people do this to you I'm gonna I'm gonna take the strange middle road. Uh, I'll be quick. I swear Pax said deliberate mischaracterization for sure I think that he felt that this was just a bending of the truth Like there's some extra details that don't matter. I think that's what he would probably argue He'd be like a lot of people have been echoing the whole he's clearly mentally ill It doesn't matter if he did those things is you don't treat mentally ill people this way that sort of argument It's like those details are irrelevant. He's clearly unhinged. You need to help him You don't need to hurt him like that. Like I think that would be his rationalization But then you could be like but you are leaving details out and he'd be like there was detail Whatever I think that's probably so it's like a mix of the two no This is look Ralph's my parody or this is a straight up lie. That's it. It's either parody or a lie. It can't There's no honesty here. Okay. I agree. I agree with satan There's no honesty here When satan says you're a liar This man is a liar. He's a Terrible terrible liar He could at least have been a good liar, but he's just a terrible obvious lie. Okay. Be a better liar next time I mean, that's the the forte of efeb is that we try and watch these things before watching the video So that we can be like hey detail, but it looks like this We didn't even need to see the movie for this like even chat like furious Poor man because he talked to my son through an iron gate Joker's other supposed father figure, which is Robert De Niro And the only way this ending is able to happen is through this completely unrealistic. Can you please? What what's right on the real estate? Which ones are unrealistic exactly satan? What parts of this are unrealistic? Can you point to the parts that are unrealistic? It actually kind of seems like it all follows I'm assuming you're doing the the because this is a common criticism the whole like There would be no candid camera shit in this time They'd never put someone's tape on a show Which apparently is untrue Like I don't have the specifics on that, but I don't even need them Uh, because this is a fictional universe. All we need to know is that it's possible. It is possible It is It's logically possible and I think that they set it up Well, it's all the scenes happen is through this completely unrealistic set of circumstances So Robert De Niro Has a bit on his show where he's watching The Joker's stand-up You can say that again pal. I don't know man. If I saw this on tv, I probably laugh. I'd be like damn that guy sucks That's kind of his job, isn't it? He's looking for because the arthaflex stand-up his stand-up routine is Bizarre it is out of this world bizarre If you if my job were to be a stand-up comedian talk show host kind of guy to show this sort of Have to make you laugh a set up this bizarre and unusual would be on my top of my list Yeah, like I don't know This is the thing the biggest argument. So like it's unrealistic. It's like, hmm I want you to to people who say that Let's just transpose this to a more modern example We got you too. We got the internet. Think of all the Crazy people to do compilations and videos go viral. What's yeah, that's the future rags not the past Remember hi, kids. Hi, wife. All that stuff remember I I ran for my life All those you mean on like news reports and stuff exactly these people just they go viral, right? This is the this is the the quote-unquote internet of that time is the tv people Tuned into it is a big deal It's totally realistic that someone could get put up like that and then they could kind of become somewhat of a sensation Right, especially in a city like Gotham, right? It's kind of self-contained in a way of course my case Feel free to elaborate on that if you wish gentlemen No, I think you covered it perfectly ranks. I wasn't last night. Good job Right. Jay you're fired Can't find me. I've Talked to your manager I don't know those odd. Oh, you're unaware of your own bad. I'm not gonna say who it is. I don't I don't want to dox them me in a wig Stand up You can say that again pal Robert De Niro starred in both taxidriver and king of comedy. Oh my god It's influences on its sleeve and then he gets probably why he's not he's probably why he's in this movie I was gonna say like I was I was saying this to rags. It's like isn't it cool that the person he looks up to is The same actor who played the character who looked up to a tv show host like Anything has a cool connection. It's like no rip off. You're like, oh I think that's really cool I I kind of I like that. It's almost like got When we were watching that earlier I almost called you rags when we were watching that earlier Mahler I was saying, you know, if you kind of change the timeline in the name Just a little bit. This could be in the same universe as king of or Yeah, king of comedy. Maybe he just looked like an amazing 60 year old in king of comedy And then he changed his name That he like went on a drug bed during it. It all just Just came into Murray Murray's estate. I want to clarify as well. I wasn't saying that Ralph is saying it's a rip off. I don't think he's used those words yet It's just that that seems to be the general sentiment. It's like Robert De Niro is in it It was pretty clear who's ripping it off. It's like, that's not that's not a through life That is not a through life You can say that again pal Robert De Niro starred in both taxidriver and king of comedy the film wears its influences on its sleeve And then he gets a phone call that tells him to come on Robert De Niro's show Because he wants him to talk to him on the couch And of course this same guy also happens to be famous for killing the three people on the Hang on. No, he's not nobody knows that until he's on the couch Yes That's where he reveals it that he was the one who killed like Ralph is gonna It's just a coincidence that the murderer happened to be called up Oh, is he is he just saying like wow, what are the odds that the guy who was doing all of this Is also the guy who's getting called onto this show Guy who has a really crazy bizarre setup. I think so I think it might be Logically possible and that's kind of the idea of the whole movie is that There could be a remember also knows this isn't called the joker It's called joker, right? There could be more they're out there all it takes is to have all these things push people off the edge The right amount of there's like hundreds of them It's a lot the right amount of stuff happening to the right person at the right time creates joker It's just let's just replay that to make sure that's what he says, which even though it's a random He gets a phone call that tells him to come on Robert De Niro's show Because he wants him to talk to him on the couch And of course this same guy also happens to be famous for killing the three people on the subway Which even though it's a random killing has become a beacon for this movement to take out the richer class And of course this comes up on the show. Wow. I'm glad that all worked out Um, it's not like so so it's relevant because of Yes, this was set up like from remember this the first scene of the film We hear on the radio Voice in the radio is saying trash stuff and how the heating bills are happening. It's affecting the rich It's affecting the poor. It's affecting everybody It instantly sets the tone of what's happening in Gotham and throughout the whole movie We see this stuff as well We see its impacts on people and how they deal with it personally We see the state of the streets and the cities Like this is all set up really really well I don't get why you don't see this. It's actually it's like it's set up in an obvious way How does Ralfam is it? I mean he's he's suggesting it's contrived for the the person to have done those killings To have also been the person who was seen in that stand-up shot to be brought on this show But the problem is that both of those events Droll back to specific character traits, right? So like the um the the gun being Uh Something that was on his person was something that lost him his job was something that uh happened because of his insecurity slash paranoia slash being manipulated by Co-workers because of getting beaten and the um the intention to become a comedian to to write jokes the aspiring career and his um Appreciation of this talk show host like these are things that are It's like there's like different um plot lines that are all being developed from character traits going forward Yes, they can they can coincide like this. There's no you have to highlight where it is that it It breaks uh some kind of ridiculous likelihood um But but I don't think any of it does and the idea that it comes up in the conversation that he's killed these people It's like he intends to kill himself on this show. He's not going anything. He says i've got nothing to lose So why not admit to the world? I'm the guy who did it Remember this he wants attention like that's one of the biggest things in this film is he wants admiration He wants people to look to him and at this point No matter what he does with his plan. This is like the point in our return, right? He's not planning on going back to a normal life after this. This is where he He soldiers forth with his plan whatever it may be either he's dead or he's killed somebody Either way, he's basically He's crossed over the point of no return. Why not admit it? It doesn't before all this even before he shot mary in the head He had already murdered that guy who gave him the gun the first place. He killed his own mother He he made a big. I don't know big That ruckus over there at the arkham asylum He's already pretty much He's pretty in deep already by the time he gets to the talk show So he's already set on his course Yeah, I don't I don't think it's contrived that he brings that up. I think that's a weird comment I mean he gets chased by the police when he's going to the talk show, right? He had to escape the police on this way to talk show And to all Okay, so imagine being the police and then you see that Like you're chasing a dude and you're like, oh fuck lost him. Well time to turn on my favorite show Okay for all the people this is Ralph is saying this he said a few times For all the people who say this is an incredible coincidence that all of this could actually happen, right? Then again, it's all logically possible, but remember right when we talk about coincidences Everything that is happening in your life you you is if you you watching this right now you Everything that got you to where you are is the product of a million billion crazy coincidences which Are only insanely unlikely in like hindsight, you know Like when we look back we say that's an insane coincidence that could have never happened But to us that's how things happen. That is the reality of what happened So don't worry about it too much when people say like oh, that's an insane coincidence, right? Like you are where you are because of a gajillion coincidences lining up just right So it's okay. What I would say is that we've got we just have fundamental traits that Then all lead to the events in this film like why does he shoot those guys like a combo of his character traits plus the world building Um, I guess to a degree degree plus the plot. Why does he end up on Murray's show? It's like it was almost entirely his character plus plot as in He wanted his aspiration was to be a comedian. That was fundamental from the get go It's like What would what would one do if one was trying to become a comedian? It's like, I don't know probably tried delivering their material in like a stand-up circuit and stuff And it's like, uh-huh. Is it possible that could be recorded and seen by the people? It's like, yeah, why not? It's pretty much done at that point This is joker. You could that's the thing. That's what's so great about joker Is that you look at the end of the film and you're like, okay, let's say you're like a film detective You know, I guess you happen in the cinema, right? You could trace Everything back step by step by step and there is never a step there where you go That's not that doesn't make any sense And you never have to say that because there's always a logic Logical like a like a progression from one event to the next and you can trace it back and trace it back To a bunch of little fucking punk kids taking a man's sign Right and he keep going and going and going look at all lines up lines up. It never breaks the rule of The progression from one step to the next step Is illogical and insane and it doesn't follow through And that's one of the reasons I really really Like joker and I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of people are like, yeah Like arthur fleck is kind of like me in a way There's a little bit of arthur fleck in all of us because It's it's all logical progression. It could happen. It could be me and some crazy alternate Right, you look at the the pixar formula That the famous pixar formula where where they use the um, you know one day there was a man named martha fleck He every day he was a clown and got beat up on the street. Don't let stuff one day He got beat up and he got a sign a sign stolen And he was blamed for it and then because of that this happened because of that this happened And because of that he got a gun because of that, you know, it goes on and on and on to the very end Until finally he shoots mary in the head. Uh, it's all step by step progress one one thing leads to the next That's how you write a story. I mean, that's right. That's how you write a cohesive plot That's kind of what I meant about drawing it back to what the fundamental start of all of it is as you as you just said He's like a he's a he's a guy with a clown job. It's like, okay. We take that and we don't need an explanation for that We just like that's it. All right. So what happens next like is there a possibility? That someone could steal his sign to fuck with him in his day to day It's like absolutely then what happens then what happens then what happens and you just keep going And you have that one running at the same time as you have his interest in being a comedian running That's your base and you go then what happens then what happens Everything runs nice and logically and those two things coincide with the show with murray Yeah, he fucking shoots him Class and of course this comes up on the show. Wow. I'm glad that all worked out. You think that killing those guys is funny I do What a coincidence. I guess it's some of that dreamlike logic, right? They would just invite. Oh, no, no, I got a Ralph I got it like everything like I said Everything when you take what it is what happened and then you look back You could say Literally everything that happens is a series of insane coincidences But Rex just to highlight one right possible and they follow. How is it that I met you? Well before I'd met basically any of the youtubers and we managed to start up e-fap very soon after all the tlj stuff happened One of the odds of me meeting you and wolf Well, you just so happened to have made just that one video that I just so happened to have watched because I just so happened We've been recommended it You decided to send a message that I happened to catch because it was a youtube message, which is unlikely to catch Everything is the product of a trillion different incredible coincidences when you look back But Something had to have happened, right? Yeah, and that's what that's what I'd be getting at. It's like well, there's logic It's like I did make that video Is there a chance that rags would have seen it? It's like it makes sense that rags would have seen it Does it make sense the rags would have been so interested in it to send me a message to just hang out at some point? It's like why not why would that not happen? You know, it's like exactly Gotta chill out with these Consit. Yeah, it's not the same as uh Fucking hard solo tids up to the Millennium Falcon five minutes after it's moved away from jacu that happened to be the Exact same place as Palpatine's fucking daughter in a junkyard like fuck off this way too contrived That that's just the sequel trilogy as a whole. It's uh Galactic coincidences What the sequel trilogy is a whole Yes The whole point is that is what happened is like from getting from step one to step two is that logical Step two to step three is that like a reasonable thing that would actually happen. Yes. Okay. Keep going keep going That's the thing. That's the link between the steps I need to keep So is that is his molar extremely gay now? What? Some of that dreamlike logic right they would just invite this random guy on there to no, he's not a random guy He's very specifically The person from the video. Yeah, I don't know why you say random guy They didn't just pick a random person to show back from the audience or something No Well, no, so what would have exactly what would have happened is that uh, That video was so bad. Murray would have been told about it, right? In this Dear eyes, I can't believe I'm saying this So have we got an example anytime recently of a really bad video coming out and then a host being told about it by Several people and then showing it I don't know I don't know. Yeah, that's uh, I'd hate all of us. Interesting. This real life is poorly written How should not check him for weapons and your son's been hit. So, uh This is actually something that I find fascinating as a criticism. Why didn't they check him for weapons? It's like why would this is what the 19 when was the space 1970s 80s? 78 I think so this is this is before a lot of significant Uh Crackdowns on security happened. This is that's before 9 11 1981 as one joker and if kibble has taught me anything you can before 9 11 You could even take the katanas on the on the planes right next to you. So Yeah, like a lot changed after certain events and um You can see how how rather low security this whole thing is of course and he's got it. Um in his ankle as well It's um, not obvious or at least it's not obvious to someone who's uh, not familiar with guns Um, no, they didn't they didn't fully pat him down. I don't think that that was standard back then at all Um, yeah, I'm guy on there to talk on the couch and not check him for weapons Your son's been hit by a drunk driver. He's dead Yeah, they yeah, they didn't they didn't check anyone for bombs on airplanes either Right. That was just that was a different time All right. That was a different time Oh, no, no, no, no, you cannot joke about that. Yeah, that's not funny Oh Ralph, you just don't get it. The whole ending was just a dream. Stop saying that Stop saying the dream. No, I hate. No, I think it was real Stop saying it was real Well, for the sake of criticism, let's just treat it as real Ralph I don't need you to keep saying like it was a dream therefore criticism about it. No, no, no We're not we're not gonna do that. That's fine Yeah Every character in the movie is just an asshole and a liar And ignores joker deceives joker. So what about the ones who aren't assholes and don't deceive him? Like I can say someone in this video is an asshole and a liar Well, they're the ones that he mentioned earlier. So how is he saying this now? Like you can't tell like this is the meme where you go all of them are mean except the ones who aren't. It's like okay There are there's more than one mean character Or at least three like it's a really boring criticism like come on man, even you counted your own argument here And a liar and ignores joker deceives joker steers joker down the wrong path Because it has to reinforce this message that society is bad society is bad. Yep the movie Yeah, I was gonna say I don't think the movie's trying to make it that clear cut that it's just all of society sucks boo If you are bad then bad things will happen, but to those who are good and kind Good things can happen. There are loads of flawed elements of society No matter the political system. I imagine and there's uh always gonna be flawed people He happened to be one of the people who experiences all of the worst parts in a row And if anything this the scene he's shown here like she And her own way is also a victim, right? You know like we're in like listen arthur you and me run this together, right? I'm not a bad person I'm a product of circumstances Right There are there are villain there are there are people who impact him who are not necessarily Doing it for malicious reasons, right? Like this chick here. She's not like a bad person or anything One of the qualifiers he had was like ignores joker. Apparently I guess she would come under that but not even necessarily that Yeah, um because she does give him quite a what you would call a down-to-earth response to What he's rambling about oh well complaining about um Like I wouldn't agree that she's ignoring him is what kind of what I'm getting at But even still like it's just uh, I don't know I just think that it's a very poor read on the film to just be like society bad moving on. It's like whoa hang on He's a little bit more complicated than that We had a huge budget you can tell because any artistic integrity or originality is completely removed from this film Taxi driver and king of calamity are so tight They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend no No, do not tell me Do not tell me that taxi driver is not bogged down in scenes that we don't need All right, I get it. He's fucking around with his guns in his apartment. I got it the third fucking time I get it. I promise you I understand Okay, don't tell me that about taxi driver At the scene when we moller and I watch this again Every scene has got a little something everything tells us about him in some way It illustrates how he thinks about things how he acts his thought process and how it changes over time From one thing to the next it all shows us how this one guy becomes Joker right Yeah, um, I'd like to highlight how incoherent that series of statements were that was he like says Uh Low it's really high budget. He moves into creativity has been sapped out He moves into there's no redundant scenes in taxi driver unlike this movie You know, I mean like those three things it's just like, huh I feel like a few sentences are missed between those that connect them together a bit stronger because this feels weird Just listen to it again He's bad Yep, the movie had a huge budget you can tell because any artistic integrity or originality is completely removed from this film Yeah, because big budgets can't have that. Yeah, I was gonna say it's like do you really want to make that statement? And artistic integrity is not a thing for big budget films That's a no that's wrong But be like So like tell me Ralph. What are the scenes in joker? That are redundant that we don't need that don't tell us something That don't make a statement or tell us or inform us There's 10 seconds of flashbacks. Don't need to oh my god. It's in seconds I want to highlight as well. Uh, some of the people have been discussing this in chat and uh The common criticism applied to jokers is about nothing, but simultaneously it's too on the nose about what it's about Sometimes life be like that No, I'm not I'm saying this is the general view that a lot of people power it. It's interesting I'm not saying I haven't heard any one person provide both of those statements. I'm just saying it's an interesting thought I'm not hearing any disagreements. I must be jesus dreamer Let's ask satan Heidi's bad Yep, the movie had a huge budget you can tell because any artistic integrity or originality is completely removed from this film Taxi driver and king of comedy are so tight. They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend the universe of the film Travis and oh Let's let's check that that criticism out specifically for seconds Taxi driver and king of comedy are so tight They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend the universe of the film Extend the universe of the film Wait, what what is he trying to say? Is that his way of saying world building? So this is my no, no, this is so he's saying that like, uh, it's like a dceu film bullshit where it's so The joke is walking down the street and uh, he he sees a guy he bumps into a guy and a guy goes Hey out of my way and then he's like who are you man? He goes i'm aquaman out of my way And then you're like, oh my god aquaman film So yeah, remember that scene. So, you know, like, oh, it's so clunky when they just do that universal stuff So my mother who knows nothing about comic books or batman or anything else saw joker Loved it and I asked her about This the wane family and stuff and she was like, what about it? I was just like, what do you think about like the storyline of the plot line? Did you understand at all and she was she even went on to talk about how interesting it was that the um The child was left alone as a result of All of this which is a a reflection of joker not going to get into that right now because I really like thinking about it But we'll do it if it comes if it comes relevant for that becomes relevant But a lot of people who know about batman see this as some kind of universe baiting Uh shoehorn thing When it actually you can swap all of their names to instead of bruce wane is just bob wagner and his butler And it all works bill you don't need it to be bruce wane And this is proof that they function in the story without having to rely on the extended universe quote-unquote This film was stand alone. They did not intend to make a sequel Yeah, uh, arthur flex journey in this in this movie is is uh intimately tied in to the wane family because They he thinks at one point he is the son the abandoned son of thomas wane Which actually plays into what arthur fleck is looking for some sort of identity some sort of uh something to call Himself like like I said in that one line He didn't know he really existed until you know that the whole event in the subway happened So he arthur fleck is really focused on getting something that makes him feel alive something that makes him feel like he exists and this revelation That he might be thomas wane's son Is something he can really grasp on to and the fact that it might not be true In fact that he was rejected wholeheartedly by the man who might be his father It really crushes him and that's important to how to where he goes was the end of the movie and why he goes there satans I don't like yeah, this criticism. YMS has this criticism as well. He's like, oh the wane's a shoehorn did I'm just like present your argument because it's weak Because you have in this film you could rename He could be anybody Which means the shoehorn didn't it's like no if you told me That this movie wasn't even intended to be a dc movie about joker It was just some guy and then they were like, oh wait, this could be like a batman movie Then they reworked some details. I don't believe you I don't believe you because it was and this is the thing that's why I use the example What would be forced is if there was lots of I don't know posters of some kind of other superhero that's around and everyone's like Like the superman's already around and he's and then like at one point joker looks up and he flies over And then he's like, I wonder what his life is like and then just says it's super bad coming through This is always really, you know and talk about shoehorn references people always bring up the rogue one one where um The the characters are walking through like that area and they bump into the two people from the bar in a new hope Like how you know, why is that shoehorn? Well because the likelihood of that is staggeringly low. That is insane like well Nothing for the story. Yeah, there's no reason. They're there. They just bump into her just in there if he wouldn't think of thomas wane and Ralph fridt and bruce wane were just in the movie just to be in the movie Ralph That's really good. We But they're in the movie for a reason Okay, they're central to arthur flex journey. Okay. They're not just in there to say, oh, look this is a batman movie And then they're never seen again And it was pretty cool to have uh, thomas wane talk about how people wear masks because they're cowards when his son is Going to grow up to be batman Oh my god, and also on an off-notice does nothing really do with with his criticism I really like the fact that um thomas wane is kind of portrayed as you know, he says that you know He looks down on poor people at least that's what he looks like on tv. And so he's not but uh The meta narrative is you know outside this movie We know that his son bruce wane grows up to be batman And he idolizes his father as this patron saint of what it is to be good and right and truthful And i'll really like this idea because it really builds and feeds into heroism the idea of heroism and romanticism And how much bruce wane did idealize his father? But you see the real thomas wane here in artha flex journey was he's just human. He's kind of a jerk And not exactly perfect like calling everyone clowns Yeah Yeah, that was that's pretty does a jerk move. I really I kind of like that personally and there's nothing to do with The actual criticism of the yeah, no, I know you mean like um the pov uh Because I can totally believe that a growing up bruce wane would have thought his father was a hero I love that part It's all functional and it doesn't have to have a sequel to be functional Like it's not like we're like well, why did you why did you bump into aquaman? Why did you see bruce wane? Like, you know, I need these other movies And they do that by the way and you know, they do that Well, I think they've announced it um I think they will rags and I were talking about that and we're very it's just concerning the I will watch it the likelihood of a joker sequel being as good as this film is Very very low. Yeah, it's very low. Is it the same team behind it? Apparently well, we got the director and writer which is very important, but we don't uh, Joaquin Phoenix isn't confirmed yet. I'm not sure What the plan would be without him There are things you can do, but I don't think I would do it Well, this is the history of it. I guess Listen, I specifically said to mawler earlier That it might be better If they don't have joker and they instead Tell the tale of like a different character or something or exactly they perceive the events of the joker and how it maybe influences them It's actually a theory that I really I really enjoyed this Joaquin Phoenix's joker is not the joker that batman would face But he's like the inspiration for the joker that batman would eventually face. Well. Yeah, remember And I happen to know that in the comics there are three jokers According to the supercomputer or whatever. Oh my god, three stooges. Yes 100 Taxi driver and king of comedy are so tight They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend the universe of the film Travis and rupert are active in the stories It's rupert's and travis's character and actions that cause them the spiral joker Um, so it's joker's choice to take the gun Yeah, yeah, I mean he definitely makes choices. I mean we could talk about how affirmatively each of them Like push the other plot. Yeah. Yeah, but but they're definitely I mean, I think that's one of the weaknesses of taxi driver is showing us the progression of how he got to the point where he's in But with joker, it's so solidly explained along the way how he does Solidly solidly. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Uh Is it was clearly joker's choice to kill robert. I don't think anyone's gonna be uh debating that Like like in real life, it's a combination of choices he made and things that just happened to him anyway If ralf was citing like, you know, it wasn't entirely his choice to shoot the guys in the subway Out of self-defense. I'd be like I I can see a conversation there But it was absolutely his choice to fucking execute the last guy, wasn't it? Yeah Like the idea that you you quick react absolutely a choice you can choose not to shoot I'm saying there's a conversation to be had there because the idea that you Like of reflexes or responding to the idea you're about to be killed Is is less of it's less of a choice to make it's still a choice It's just but but I would say that it doesn't matter because he fucking hunts down and kills the last dude so Yeah, I don't know. Let's see. Let's see if he uh qualifies this Travis's character and actions that caused them to spiral joker Gets beat up a lot. It's not your fault. Your life sucks. It's the fault of society everyone There's loads of things to talk about as to exactly how joker became joker And I hate I just don't like I don't want to spend a million years talking about this film As if nobody here has seen it because the whole point of this review is that he did see it But to broadly say like the client society is like Now he gets to meet up by poor people in the beginning and then he gets to meet up again by rich people They're in the subway. Okay. It's it's it's society. It is ironically speaking. It is society Okay, I know it's a I already need to say by now. I know it's a meme But yeah, it's a society. It's not the poor people who are bad. It's not the rich people who are bad It's The general society of Gotham city at that moment. That's full of toxicity Yeah, unrest and disappointment anger bitterness. It's all over the place. It's like some kind of brood Oh my god One around you is just a jerk and beats you up. So the solution is to shoot deniro in the head Everyone come on man This is weak toes That's not true Fucking taxi driver. I don't know what to do with my life. So I'm just gonna kill people. What is this all? I think we might be out of sync. What's that? Is this all he does like oh, we have tax driver does this this this a drug is like he just shoots people in the head Okay, let's move on It's only nine minutes. Like he just he just leaves out all of the movie Everyone's having joker just like this is the conclusion because he is assigned by stolen like oh if I was gonna Reduce taxi driver and say oh Travis bickle. He just thinks all the world's problems are gonna be huge the politician in the head that one time like what What indeed fair Society everyone around you is just a jerk and beats you up. So the solution is to shoot deniro in the head Are you having some psychological issues your notebook looks like a crazy person's no Yeah, that's he doesn't have good handwriting because of his upbringing not being focused on education Obviously it's actually part of graphology too. Uh crazy people tend to write Read like crazy people if they're they're lettering in a syntax is erratic Are you saying that there's a difference between crazy people and normal people and honestly, I know a novel idea. I know What Uh, his handwriting quality is not anyone near as interesting as what he's writing down Yeah, like come on Ralph That his uh, his disturbing jokes that those are those are really good insight into his kind of disturbed mentality He wants to be a stand-up comedian But his jokes are really disturbing and a really good look into what he's actually thinking Do well today Also, okay, so uh, joker has many redeeming qualities. Joaquin phoenix is a good actor and he saves this film The cinematography is decent. Wow Shame i'm a 14 year old for liking it. I hope this isn't the complete list of redeeming qualities Oh gosh. Well You got two. I don't think he knows what the word many means More than one A couple of good qualities the cinematography is decent Many radicalities here are all two of them. I very much like the cinematography and joker. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fucking say it's the masterpiece, but decent is not the word I would use Yeah, I mean this and couldn't be uh, this really highlights how well Joaquin phoenix plays the joker part because even ralfrid Has to say it's a good his acting is a great quality A lot of people, uh Don't deny that but they also want to like asterix it The one i've been seeing a lot lately is like, you know, he kind of just went crazy though Like he's just an actor who did well, uh, there's there's tweets i've been telling you guys about where they're like He broke his foot kicking the dumpster idiot. Do you know what acting is? You're not supposed to actually break your foot I'm saying the same thing about jango when uh, yeah, and uh It's uh, it's his hand on the actual glass Yeah, yeah, well, um, I was gonna say the the more apt example I imagine is the one-to-one with vega mortensen in lord the rings He kicked the helmet. He broke his toe or his foot whatever. Um, I guess he's a bad actor now This by the way, this has nothing to do with ralf. This is a tweet from somebody that said that he was really annoying Yeah, that's why he's shouted in that one instance, isn't it the tweet from ralf? No, they uh We go mortensen. Yeah, he yells. He kicks the helmet and he yells in frustration. That's actually because he broke his foot It's influences on its sleeve. It's not really subtle at all. That doesn't mean it doesn't have good elements because it certainly does phoenix's performance is terrific. It was a nice change of pace to see a superhero film that looked like Why is this a superhero film? words your mouth He thinks he means comic book film. He must mean comic book film. No, I think that he is calling a superhero because I guess in his mind, they're just like one in the same. Yeah, it's like the genre Kinda DC, so it's a superhero movie. They're called Batman. It's a superhero. Therefore Mortman this film is about this is a superhero film. You know all the superpowers and super Stuff that happens in this film. He'll be established. It's definitely not realistic My favorite part of this film is when joker flies up to the sun Touches parallax with the giant green fist and he falls in the sun. That was awesome. That was pretty awesome. Yeah Yeah, I just I just be like, wow. It's a lot of superhero movie. Come on Have good elements because it certainly does phoenix's performance is terrific. It was a nice change of pace to see a superhero film that looked like a real movie I wasn't infested with CGI. The lighting wasn't all flat and boring I just overall think it's pretty mediocre And I really wanted to delve into like the themes and explore this film a bit because maybe there's something a bit more to it But I honestly am just not even interested because I don't like the movie that much You don't say yeah, I mean I I gleaned that from the video He was being very subtle about it and I think it was very I could barely tell you don't like the movie. Thanks And it comes from a place that I think is a a bit artistically bankrupt It's not a jonathan glazer film. It's not stop Everyone else you handle this because I'm like I'm just gonna go off on this guy I do have to explain how it's not artistically bankrupt. Well, that's the that's the problem, right? So people are always like I'm fucking e-fab takes like a million years to respond when he points like do you see what he just did in like Two seconds. He said the film is artistically bankrupt. Do you know how long we can take to respond to that? That was a terrible point to make awful I'm picturing like a guy with a bowl of poop and he just throws it into the center of the room Smashes poop everywhere, and then we have a mop and it's like well, this will take just as long as it took for him to throw it, right? Do it no, it's not no, it's not nailed it Good job. Oh man Something I actually want to explore. It's a buy the numbers copycat studio movie there we go copycat. He said it now He said how was the joker in any way buy the numbers. I was at a copycat What is it copycatting and don't say taxi driver without fucking qualifying it explain it explain it to someone As if they haven't seen taxi driver because I had to watch taxi driver for the first time Because people kept saying joker's like taxi driver joker's like taxi driver. No, it's taxi driver It's not fucking anything like taxi driver I That's insane that people say that and I think a lot of people they hear that and they're like, oh, yeah because that it's most It's most flat this most basic most like absurdly Simplistic level it shares a similarity in a very very broad way But like it's there nothing Like we said at the beginning it's like which of the the four movies that we mentioned Was it most like it's like well, you know what there's parts to all of them that you can connect to joker But I think you can say that about literally everything Like you can connect parts of movies to other movies to other movies to other movies Trying to defeat an evil force or all a protagonist who has to overcome adversity to do a thing That he wants. Oh, what's that the matrix? Well, that's just fucking the chronicles of riddick, isn't it? No artistic integrity no artistic value to this movie apparently I guess the joker didn't take enough bananas to walls What what is it? Good reference Jay you don't know about the banana No, I don't know that And like you got points today 1917 and no just lost them all again. Wasn't uh, wasn't it sold for 300 000 dollars? Yeah, so banana. So someone I guess an actual artist I don't know how else to describe them. They taped an actual artist They taped a banana to a wall and it was like a set piece in a gallery and someone paid 300 000 for it And then some guy tore it off the wall at eight Yeah, that sounds like money laundering to me. Did someone write it like blood on the wall? Epstein didn't kill himself Yes Now that is art, okay Some good some some good red. Wow. You said the same thing I did you copycat film. Wow Yeah, one of brothers in the past has just been trying to copy marvel. Okay. Let's copy Scorsese character studies from the 1970s and 80s I How can you say okay? This is a definitely a parody. How do you say this with a straight face and does not be a parody? Who is straight face? You know, he probably should explain to people who haven't seen these movies because this video is made seemingly specifically for people Who have never ever hardly even heard of these movies let alone seen them Um, can we read what does what's on we we can't I was just gonna say the structure of this video is a nightmare like all over the fucking place studios Will only green light comic book movies now Joker is an attempt to make an adult superhero drama But it does not stand on its own you don't Fucking put an apostrophe when you make the possessive form of it That's a double in there. You can't just add fucking apostrophe. Something owns something else. It's not how this language works You make films It's exactly even Joe knows that Even join those But it does not stand on its own as a drama if the what the fuck is that me If the batman joker brand was not attached Attached Attached Wait, did they actually spell that wrong? Yes Yes, we're at two fuck ups now. That's about whatever two lines. Do your sense is it's a tatted shed That's how you're supposed to pronounce attached Attached If joker brand was not attached to the film it wouldn't to have It wouldn't have have it would not have been successful and most likely would not have even been made It's made dependent to teenagers Well, he's consistent. He's at least he's consistent in his message. He's continuously insistently lying He said 14 year olds earlier and 14 is in fact a teenage year. So Nice A big gigantic lie dishonest and misleading Well, we could take one line at a time. Oh no studios every line of only green light comic book movies now That's a That's just a stupid thing to say That out Ralph where you're not like, oh, yeah, that's right If he was here, I guarantee you say like no not all films. I'm saying like mostly Oh, but that's that's an irrelevant point. Yeah, well my response to be to him would be like, oh, well, that's not the point I'm responding to I'm responding to the point you made in your video Well, no, he doesn't even matter most most films of comic book movies now, you know, like a lot of movies get made therefore another one existing Joker is an attempt To make an adult superhero drama Not a superhero movie stand on its own I agree that it's adults. Uh, what is what are you highlighting as the problem? Show me the superhero that's in this movie. Yeah, clearly batman. He's just young Young borkman Stand on its own as a drama. So Tell me Ralph What does it need? To really be a drama What does this movie lack that if otherwise it possessed would make it a drama It lacks the supreme subtlety of the king of comedy. Oh my god Do you mean the one where the protagonist says title of the film? Yeah, that one That that's the that's the on point subtlety you need in the joker so that it can be an actual drama Uh It's the atata ched All right, it doesn't stand as a tone drama If the batman joker brand was not attached to the film It wouldn't have been successful and most likely Wouldn't have even been made probably wouldn't have been as successful No, and it probably wouldn't have been made as it stands because it's It's joker so if joker didn't exist it would have to be called something else. I mean you would have to exist differently Laugh her Um, maybe he wouldn't have gotten the funding if he couldn't attach it like I just Like I think with some of these points I'd just be like meaning what and I'm waiting for him to conclude That's a bad where I'd be like how is that a bad? definitively And it's made a panda to teenagers I would say It's the radar That comment is frustrated. What does the r stand for? restricted rate Restricted rate. What is that? Still what I was expecting Rhino Rated rhino rated r for rhino All right, let's enjoy this section then full frontal milking Oh Joker isn't the first r rated superhero film recently It's different in a way because it is I guess more mature I hesitate to use that word mature, but I guess it is Because we'll think back to Deadpool right, which is clearly a comedy It is an adult r rated film with a juvenile comedy and maturity Not dichotomous Do not say that they are as in crime. I don't think he said they were He said it was juvenile Yeah, but I think rags got that from him saying like it's Joker's more mature because and then Deadpool is and then declared a couple things and said comedy and it's like Um But oh no, I fucked up. I'm so sorry. I was not where my mouse click was We're starting over guys Why did it cut all the way back to a fucking clip of Jared Lita's Joker? Really? Fuck up. I fucked up. Well, all those things you could have showed us. I want some you want some beef And accidentally was a little bit high, but my pointer was on the thing. I swear it was on the thing I believe we were like was it nine minutes ish Copy Scorsese character studies from the 1970s and 80s A corporate product Joker isn't the first r rated superhero film recently It's different in a way because it is I guess more mature It is different in a way in a way in a way Joker is in a way different from Deadpool I didn't realize it dumb In a way it's different than Deadpool But they have the other places You know pupkins meeting with gerry was different than Arthur flex meeting with thomas wane same sort of difference there. Well, I mean you have male protagonists So just saying remember when all the grasshoppers at a bugs life were talking underneath the sombrero hat in the desert I remember that yeah It's similar to like it's it's different in a way from the d-day scene in saving private ryan Just it just the details though This is the way Ralph Ralph gave 1917 three and a half stars What Out of what out of what well the the I guess the way to understand it was six out of ten is what no seven out of ten is what I gave it I guess I was fine. I guess three point three point five out of five. Yeah. Yeah Bullshit Don't you imagine he gave it three point five out of ten that would be fucking insane I wouldn't surprise me though with this garbage. We're watching now Apparently he makes good stuff It's just I haven't seen enough of him. I think I've seen people Cosmo not variety now it makes good stuff. Yeah Yeah I uh, well, yeah, it's not like everybody is cosmo variety. All right, like oh my god That would be a world to live on everyone's that retarded So and so uh, I remember watching this game of thrones one outside of a few points I thought it was pretty good like he said that stanis was well handled in game of thrones and it hit my soul um It's used that word mature But I guess it is Because we'll think back to Deadpool right which is clearly a comedy It is an adult r-rated film with a juvenile sense of humor It's violence is cartoonish and funny Logan is a film that tried to push boundaries more in this respect and joker is Do you see that in the bottom left? Uh, no, I did not find joker. Logan is a film that you think joker wanted to be like this film much Fucking that's what I don't what it's an odd sentence even though that is an odd sentence Do you you think joker wanted to be like this film much? Uh, no I How do you okay? We've been dealing with the taxi driver and the king of comedy and there's like Logan We're what's Give me the connections because I am a fan. It's like male protagonist All right I personally like logan, but it's nothing like the joker at all. It's two totally different journeys. Oh, he means because it's good No, I think so that might be it. That's the only way it's like logan both good films Joker and logan are both excellent. That's how it ripped it off I was trying to be still the idea of joking still the idea of being good from logan That that logan film was good. Let's rip that off Which which part you want to rip off like it'd be good. Why would you put that there? You just try to piss people off like why would you do this? Why are you the way that you are? I mean he's just really angry about this like the fact that people like this film. He seems like Like I understand it's like when something is really bad and loads of people like it And you're like fucking really though. No, it's like stop Like like whenever I was telling him how brilliant something is and it's terrible It really does wear you down. So I understand why he feels this way, but he's wrong He like throws the gun down instead of shooting murray opens up his wolverine claws and just stabs stabs stabs stabs stabs stabs We're like, whoa That would And joker is the final form of that The final form of like adult or mature quote-unquote comic book movies Good film. What is what is him happening in this video right now? I guess he's just saying the joker makes sense that it happened because the way was paved by logan And that was paved by deadpool, which I don't even necessarily disagree with that I'm more like asking why why does he have this on screen right now? Like is joker a good film? Oh Yes, it is a good film. Well, let's let's all five of us answer that question before he does. I'm gonna go with yes Yes, absolutely. All right nailed it. So what are the five of us the 14 year olds know? And everyone knows how democracy works if he says no, we still win because there's more of us Yeah, five years to one of him get fucked. So I want a podcast on that on that podcast I said joker was a good movie. I think I've said joker is a good movie before Yeah, so I'm gonna explain why why I'm an idiot. Oh, it's okay. We already know But you were right before you were right before We discovered it organically I see now now he said that oh no, he was an idiot before Okay, so you think that have someone having a would you would you think that would you say that you had a bad take before? No, he just changed his opinion. What's wrong with that? That's not how fucking dare you jay Gay, you've been ruined since you hung out with that e-fap guy. Do you think he changed his opinion, but he was right both It's pronounced electronic fap Well, I did pronounce it that way just anagrammically Maybe then that's a lie anatomically That's an a I'm gonna go I'm gonna go p. Oh P fat P fat do it Normally, it's fap then p god. Yeah p-fap sounds like it means something else I wonder I've never actually like masturbated while I was pinging Is it is is that sounds like it functionally possible? I don't know how it works mechanically My science teacher when I was 14 told me that you couldn't do that What are they what do they know? I mean, I guess you can't simultaneously ejaculate while you're p P fano, he told the whole class that it's impossible to pee while you're having sex Boy, boy, did I prove him wrong? Oh So pissed right on his face. Yeah You give him a piss direct to me. Oh my goodness Oh, that's the old mexican halloween God damn it my Please don't pay Love movies. I love going to the movies. So I'm sitting down in theater I'm watching a joker movie and I enjoyed it You know, I was enjoying it because it I'm sitting down in a movie theater watching a movie But there's a more to a film than your initial There's a more to a film what there is a more That's a more to a film Watching a movie, but there's a more to a film than your initial Impression of a film than when you see it agreed. There is more to a film than your initial impression I agree. That's why I fucking despise the last Jedi now and when I walked out of the theater I was just confused There is so much more going on in a film like when you watch Citizen Kane for the first time I gotta admit like I'm sure his point is valid, but whatever Citizen Kane just brought up in a video essay. It's just like I'm gonna get to watch that movie these days because well in case you don't like it I've never seen it. I don't know if I even care about it Like it's so old. It's the movie if you haven't seen it. You're not a film critic. So Like imagine how Jay feels he's not a film critic to like the nth degree But he didn't he didn't see anything. No, he's still prestige. That's good enough. Okay. No If you're a moron you go that's boring. That's a boring movie You know what I want you to watch film That's just paint dry. Literally paint drying. This is my film about paint dry See we've applied the coat of paint and now it's drying. You're an idiot if you think that's boring You would say that's fair probably he's saying you're not allowed to find Citizen Kane boring specifically. What? Oh, no, it's not Quite smaller, why is he trying? Sorry tying Why is he tying boring finding things boring to intelligence? I don't I don't know like it doesn't it? That's not a strict through life because this is the thing like my if someone watched prestige until we they found it boring I'd be like, yeah, I mean I could I could see how it's possible What did you find boring? Like and then you can explore their reasoning you can't just say if you find a bore you're a moron. It's like Yeah, some people are watching football and the television is boring. Some people think that my favorite, right? My favorite book is a counter money crystal, right? Love it. Alexander is a must He's a black man and you wrote this book. It's amazing. It's fucking stellar. It's my favorite book ever Guess what if someone said, you know what this film's Sorry, it's fuck. This book's really boring. Then I'd be like, yeah, I can actually I can see why you think is boring It's it's yeah, absolutely. That doesn't mean they're stupid It means that they found it boring. It means that the one's exciting to him It's the peak of subjective. There's a reason so like it's kind of our job Well, some of us who have it as like their main sort of income right now Like I guess it would apply to a a lot of people in general who don't even have it as a main income actually But it's kind of the job to Go further than boring or fun. The idea being I like this film. It was fun. I don't like the film It was boring. It's like it's our job to go further. It's like we can't just say that We're supposed to explain why and why things do stuff to our feeling to them so What i'm getting at is that like I think we did this on an efat before or a stream but boring Is irrefutable because it's describing how you felt But then if they say it's boring because and then for example joker wasn't in joker enough He's in it for like five minutes. You'd be like, okay, that's stupid Like you apparently you would even watching Would jay listen to this okay, you ready? Like when you watch Citizen kane for the first time if you're a moron you go that's boring. That's a boring. No Wow Like you could you could recognize All of the things and the themes and the scenes and the subtleties and all that you could recognize all that But also be like, you know what? I was bored Yeah, this is a boring movie. I was when I watched taxi driver I was bored for a lot of it, but I get it. I understand all this stuff. I paid attention Still kind of bored. All right, doesn't mean you're stupid because you find something boring I just I just think that's really unfair. No one of people Pissed this video. It's like what the hell man Because for reference, um I've heard quotes about this but this is well past what me and rags had seen at this point. So With a lot of these movies, uh, if they're good people tend to have you know, they might like it They might dislike it and then but if they're good movies and they will structure You can see the value in it even after me months after you watch the initial viewing You can think about what you saw you can watch it again Maybe you can find more points more points of value and with bad movies. You can't really you don't really have that It's just it's bad. Maybe I liked it before maybe you find it All right when I watched the first time then on a second viewing or we think back on it like wow That was awful. I don't want to see it again. I don't even think about it anymore I'd like to highlight the like ralph. Can I just say this about Everything like if anyone ever says boring about anything but then he's like no citizen kane's difference is deep and intellectual I'd be like, yes, so is tally tubbies. Fuck you Ralph is literally being the straw man version of objectivity that people like to be turned to exist Yeah Yeah, we we have to be the subjective people here. We have to be like, hey guys He's wrong because this is entirely up to you. There's not something that can be definitive about boring is super subjective And you can find things boring but still appreciate them And like, you know what like how many times are you Bored like let's take a school. Let's say you're at school And you're in a classroom and you're learning about stuff It's like and you're I'm soaking up all the information and you're learning stuff But you're bored that doesn't mean you're stupid because you find it boring because you don't understand that It's exciting that the fucking mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell And that's why they look to find as many different ways as they can to teach people stuff because boredom is like the biggest Killer of being able to absorb information. They're like, we've got to find more interesting ways of delivering it Yeah I hate being bored Boring sucks I've been boring you watch Citizen Kane for the first time if you're a moron you go that's boring That's a boring movie without actually reading about Citizen Kane And yeah, you have to read about it. You can't just watch it. You got to read the books about Citizen Kane I was gonna say Classes and you have to watch all my videos. You have to donate to my patreon. Whoa now. Hang on Pallets of cash directly to my house. I know that reference That's because we watched it at the same time the good reference Breaking film and its impact on cinema and the same thing with you can have a film that was impactful on cinema And it's still be boring Yeah, 2001 if someone said 2001 is boring I'd be like I mean I've heard a lot of people describe 2001 is boring Boring me for example. I watched yeah pretty recently. I was like what the fuck let's let's let's do a test in chat one One for 2001 being boring two for it being exciting. I'm making a false dichotomy deal with it Oh Exciting even if you didn't think it's boring. It's not exciting Wait, you're saying it's definitively not exciting No Okay, well, I'm curious how chat will react. Let's see if we get some more ones or we get some more twos 1.5 damn you ruined my false dichotomy Yeah, let's just say press two if you're a fucking idiot. Yeah, if you're a moron press The wrong one Okay, if you're smart I'm seeing a lot of ones Guys, do you know how moronic you are, you know I see freeze of green red roses too. Oh, that's that's nice That's a reference to that uh that film out of gaska That's a reference to good morning So, yeah, uh, it's a common Relatively common for people to say Uh, I've I've just I've heard from a lot of people that 2001 is boring. I'm sorry. Yeah A little bit about it after I watched it and apparently Even back in the day people were like divided about this like some people were like, this is amazing and uh, they were like, yes Very reasonable because Doesn't one has a lot of atmospheric shots very cool. Yes. It still holds up very well Yeah, still holds up very well very impressed with the visuals. I was like, wow, that's still looks pretty fucking amazing The ending is jubin That's your opinion and you're you're you're a moron Okay, I have it on good authority that you're a moron because you don't like space, baby Ralph would explain very clearly that you are moron 2001 the same thing with any other film that you can list that's people say are boring I mean, well, they think jokers are great. Did you just say any film you can list the people say are boring? That's that's that's like all of them So if you say any films, okay, so the straw man rags came up with slightly A sort of one has now been sorry. I was wrong. He has said it God dammit Come on, Ralph. I'm gonna read the description. I'm gonna read the description of his D He's like, ha ha. I totally fooled you guys with my stupid dumb shit This is definitely a oh my god This is definitely a description. He's just said category film and animation If you took the link from here, that's a it's a reupload. It's so we can No, no, it's uh, it's the original I'm looking at. Oh my god. He is stupid Oh, no. Oh, yeah, you know what? I found his description boring. So I guess I'm a dummy This video, you know what? No, I'm not gonna say it. This video is boring. I'm not gonna go that far Video it's entertaining in the same way suicide squad is entertaining It's definitely one of them. I was Breaking film and its impact on cinema and the same thing with 2000 guys boring thing with any other film that you can list I haven't seen any of them. They all look boring. Well, they think Joker's a great movie Because they sit down in the theater and they watch it once and they go, wow, that was a good movie. What the fuck are you saying? What is this? It's just like him lashing out against the The girls cinema they watch the movie and they say it's good. I was good. This is some elitist bullshit Yeah, I'm definitely getting better than you because I don't think citizen kane's boring And I don't think 2001 space Odyssey is boring and but I joker's dumb and if you like it, you're dumb because Didn't think it's boring people walking out of the movies Never happens Instead of watching this can we watch jay longburn reacting to this? He is gatekeeping like I'm just picturing this big old gate and he is he is moving it He's making it very thick and he's preventing any of us from moving past it. He's like, no Not allowed just because we're too stupid to understand good cinema Well according to Ralph if the 100% of people like 100% of movies when they first see it That's why people like the joker This this this statement here is so Because it's people jokers presented in a way that normal people can understand it and it's really It's not like simple, but it is simple, but it's not like simple like a fucking episode of jay the jet plane Yeah, sharing's caring, but With the joker, it's just it's easily digestible Anyone could watch the joker and be like, oh, okay. I get it. I understand it. Let me be pretentious for a second It's it is impacted cinema to a degree. It's isn't it the most successful R rated film in history now Yes Um, and it's shown that uh comic book movies quote-unquote can absolutely be profitable when not marketed to a wide audience That's gonna change things. I don't know. You could be like Deadpool and Logan proved that and it's like Well three's a patent, right? So we got a definitive now and this is the biggest success they've had out of the three um So the idea like if we're going from you said it was boring, but it changed cinema It's like, all right. Well, you know, is there can I argue this changed cinema and you found it boring? Well, I did you say you found it boring? I can't remember I was just I was just laughing because when you when you search on youtube bad take joker review The two that come up with this one and jenny nipples one They both got really bad takes Okay, it's a good job that Ralph isn't a lineman. So we adore beast. Oh god. We'd be dead Though there may be some backlash for this because he identifies woman. Don't keep you don't keep Well, I was actually going to go with like this is the first time we've covered Ralph and Ralph is definitely Ralph is in this this tea list. I would put of youtubers where it's like, hey They're good And it's like, yeah, no, I'm sure like they they're great and everything It's just that this is not a good take and and the this isn't us saying you should never watch this person. Okay like you just I don't know Some some people have blind spots is all I can say about this like we all we all fuck up Look at look at mel crying right now. I've literally never made a bad video Crying People say are boring Meanwhile, they think Joker is a great movie because they sit down in the theater and they watch it once and they go Wow, that was a good movie and they don't think about it at all When you actually take a second to think about the film you just watched It's a completely unoriginal bland superhero movie that takes from tax driver When you actually think about the joker with the joker, you realize it's a But it's not I don't you need to do it to cut a little bit here cut a little bit there And that's fucking terrible like name the superhero then Who is the superhero in joker ralph tell me point out clearly it's moray Murray's super charismatic He's super a program show clearly no one here who likes the joker has ever Reflected on the movie or watched it again or thought about it a second time I'll just watch the theater that was good. And then we on here just defending the joker. Is that what does that what happened? This video is hose mad Like ralph is just like outright say we're halfway through he hasn't he hasn't actually told us white shit yet He's just oh, I think no he did he said the thomas wane punched him for no reason Oh, he said the movie's bad because the movie's bad Yeah idiots more on this he's just outright being like he's upset. He's angry people like this This is like He's upset people like this film. Do you think he has like personal beef with someone who worked on it? Because that's my explanation right now walking phoenix No one likes you Beat him when he was younger One time ralph the movie maker He was at a comedy club and he gave stand-up and it was like this video It wasn't funny at all So people laughed at him like we're doing and then they played it on television And this reminds him of that so he hates it. It makes sense Can you say thought thought No Say it how you normally say it Thought Yay Thought hey rags What say sentence sentence No, say it like you normally say it sentence no Then sentence you say sentence Sense you do well because you have you have an in you have an in and then there's a tea after it I got shit to do Fucking shit to do I'm not gonna say sentence. I'm gonna say sentence Subtle tea rags. Say horror horror. No, not whole here. Say horror horror Horror But he was too early I could chew I will pronounce every Syla boo sentence Aluminium Why would I say it like that? Well, that's that was way off man. Aluminum. Don't even start with a Y Aluminum Aluminum All you humanum think about the aluminum. You know why you don't want people in America say aluminum Um, I've heard this. I have no idea what the source is so I could be not true That it was originally a typo that was mass printed on something and then it was rad as aluminum because that's how they spelled it And now that's just how the word is there now. Oh my god, jay. Are you insinuating that all work? Oh, he cut out Maybe the spelling was corrected in americans I'm sorry your shitty cans needed a little bit of a freedom touch Yeah, the americans just uh took it took the word and made it correct Aluminum you say it correctly the freedomized it Aluminium what a fucking retarded word. Aluminium. Yes, sir. Aluminium Aluminum No one invited Germany to this conversation. Oh, Germany has been kicked from chat. Oh, man Stop invading places It's mines now Let's listen to the funny man closer moron Take a second to think about the film you just watched It's a completely unoriginal bland superhero movie that takes from taxi driver and king of comedy. It was it was pretty good It was a pretty good movie What if you've not seen, you know one of those films then you're ignorant I mean, I hadn't at the time and you're obviously uncultured swine I hadn't seen those movies when I first watched this movie and I thought this movie was good I thought this movie was good And then I watched his other ones and then they weren't as good as this one So I don't know what to say You're just ignorant. You're ignorant morons if you haven't seen the movies at stealing from Oh, that's okay. My mom loves me. Oh What I say against me, so let's look at my initial impressions of joker from the podcast I guess that's why this is useful. It was a lot like king of comedy. Yeah, I see why you guys It wasn't wait, but doesn't this explain everything So he said it was good on his podcast He changed his mind soon after and people are holding him his feet to the fire over it Because he's he's actually like pulling this up in his video. Yeah, like he's Like listen to him present this. He's very bitter about this Initial impressions of joker from the podcast. I guess that's why this is useful. It was a lot like king of comedy I see why you guys Mentioned it. You can already tell I'm more hopeful in this episode than I am But you're wrong. It wasn't a lot like of course you're more hopeful like tax drivers. It's fucking wrong Suck in this video I mean this video has a lot better like just like Ray showed in this one does So it isn't us who went to the movie theater and Just said it was a good movie because we saw it once in a movie theater. It's him. It's him who did that He did that just picture like the six of us. Well, actually all of sardine cast and all of us We're all sitting watching that movie. We'll go. That's pretty good. And then he stands up an hour later and goes I am enlightened. It was bad Playing myself peasant I've really just got beaten down by society and the first half of this film was really sad And dour and I liked that about it all of it. See I just liked it because it was sad But like upon watching multiple times you're criticizing your own documentation. Have you seen this video? I liked it because it was sad Sad dour and that fucking reminded me. May I remind you it's his job to explain and analyze films. I liked it because it was sad Donates my paint crown so I could tell you that idiot for thinking things are boring Imagine giving this person money and they're like who's poor you should Well, I mean, it's not so bad Let's say you enjoyed joker and you gave him money to explain what's wrong with it And he called you a moron for finding the citizen came boring. That's an interesting experience I I think Mandalorian is really poorly written. I think it's bad. I think it's bad You're not it. I'm not you're not an idiot for liking it. You're not stupid Wait, why do you think I'm an idiot for liking it? What the fuck? You're not an idiot for liking it It's fine to like Why are you being the crazy strawman version of yourself that people think you're yeah Because enough people already make those I don't have to be that anymore because they make them up themselves I just like there's things that are probably really stupid first off. There's probably stuff That's really really bad That I like and I don't want to put myself in the corner of like being a hypocrite for starters I'll be dumb a hypocrite a hypocrite Mm-hmm Hypocrite Crypto I like batman and robin sue me Yes, I like batman and robin. I like I like alien versus predator. Fuck you. I like sucker punch suck my cock You have the right you have the right to like Like a punch, okay next time someone tells me they like suck a punch and they're actually in the room I'm gonna be like I cannot I cannot simultaneously Have the position that I like sucker punch, but it's also fucking garbage And then that's like I can't be just I can't what's the word I can't be just And what's the inconsistent with myself Like I could recognize It's ryan john san ryan john san I don't know why we're bringing him up that was racism We're bringing him up because we're talking about bad movies. No because we were talking about inconsistency Oh, yeah It's okay to like bad stuff No, that's not okay You're not like stupid Because he didn't like the right thing that's thing with like taxi drivers Like I think I could pretty well substantiate the reasons Why I don't like it and why I think it has failings in areas You know, but Like you can't crucify people because they don't like a thing Especially the approved list of things you can like you can't where have you been rags? Like citizen kane sacred cow it's like taxi driver and I don't know some other artsy fartsy bullshit movie that only Three people watched in france that one time. You can't not Cheese movie the cheese movie film the cheese What do you mean you didn't like the from He did that in the french film about a cook that is getting his way through the life There's many scenes with society He kills people by choking them to death with a big slice of He just shoves the shows that she's done that for us Each person has a different kind of cheese and he's working his way through the kinds of my boss My boss is a a big slice of stinky Uh stinky lundberg cheese But my wife she is a lovely slice of cheddar Yeah Except it's not coming to any theaters unless you live in le ponce diffus in france The only place in the world it has been There's in the middle that's half an hour of a completely black screen where nothing happens. It is very symbolic I like the indy french film ratatouille. It is filmed from inside It's not as good as le fromage man Better You've not experienced cinema until you've seen le fromage the themes in ratatouille are better They talk about how being a critic is correct and you should hate everything If we're much to eat Well, like I hate everything. Yes He knew what was up. He knew what was up His name is just like I am a good critic. Yes, thanks to ratatouille Times it's like was there anything deeper going on in those parts? Not really. It's yes surface level scene Oh, you're down writing sympathy trick one-on-one. Just have to be beaten up a bunch Well, can you just say this about anything? God's habit I'm forgetting that I'm writing sympathy for any character or the bad things happen to him because well things happen to Just take like well, just give me a film. He's about a guy who's losing sled. I mean left from us Oh, some of the bad happened to you so we're supposed to pity you. What do I look like human? The Incredibles. That's a great film Uh The Incredibles is about a guy who just works out and becomes That starts pulling back his whole life Wants to be superhero. What kind of movie is that? Normally when I see people getting beat up. I'm like, man, that's shit That's not good. Well, yeah, but that's what he's saying. It's like ha ha That's the they've tricked you into feeling simply because that's the easy way to do it. I just don't like that logic I Think I just medication That's the thing though, like I'm okay with taking this seriously as like a character study But then when you do delve more into the well, basically the dumb shit when the dumb shit starts What dumb shit excitation needed maybe he will Okay, stop being h-bomb again. Fuck I don't think he's allowed to do that Do what? Say claim that you need citations. What? No, you didn't vet that shit. You stole it Boo to jay No, that's fucking scientific jealousy because of my cameo. It was invented by earl philosopher back in 1982 You are a hunk of stinky limber guy. Yeah, he said citation needed to his student and the student was so shocked they died But I am a beautiful white slice This is a beautiful white or beautiful white. Yes I mean, I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, I mean we Yeah, that's better Taking this seriously as like a character study But then when you do delve more into the well, basically the dumb shit when the dumb shit starts then it's like This tonally isn't really working for me because now i'm thinking about kill a croc in the pang Whoa, what explain the scene What leads you to that? You know this killer crocodile man comes to your imagination. Oh, can I not just apply this to the dark knight? Like people treat the dark knight as the best super hero of all time. Surely they do as well I'd be like, how can I take it seriously? We'll kill a croc in the universe That's not fair Is that actually the argument just like killer croc is in this universe? Well, let's let's listen to it again Let's make sure don't want to be taking anybody's tisms out of lizzards. Well, basically the dumb shit when the dumb shit starts then it's like This tonally isn't really working for me because now i'm thinking about kill a croc in the pang This is very strange to me Killer crocodile and combat wombat and bullshit like that Can't boob a rag Like this is a very grounded realistic simple movie and if you're thinking about killer anthropomorphic crocodiles It's like man. I don't know what to say. Well, I would love to know what scene makes me think about killer crocodile It's in the ip so there No Why are you saying are you saying that you're applying meta knowledge to your interpretation to film? He couldn't take it seriously because he knows about killer croc Oh Well, at least this guy doesn't make fucking movie reviews on youtube living because i'd be fucking rags. He does Oh my god, it's that's strange because I wouldn't have guessed that based on the things he said here Well, you know, you're moron, so Ah, well, i'm 14 years old. I got a lot of time to develop Easy way to tell if you're intelligent or not boring I'm sorry. You cut out. I don't understand the question and I don't want to say Easy way to find out if you're intelligent or not, right? Have you ever found a film boring? Uh, moron The fact he's not even sure beads is a moron I don't even know have you when you watched lefremage. Do you think it was boring? No lefremage It was deepest my soul At that pit of the merry on the stretch Hot It was actually very cold No, it's quite warm there. Don't you don't you know, sienna's My love has lift me My heart is cold. You just touched it. That was an unrelated screen That makes it worse actually Okay The scream was incidental to rags touching with me. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify This this is very strange to me. Can I tell you a theory my mom had what for this film? So there's a little person in this film. Yes, and and her theory once she once the movie is over She called me and said I think that guy in the sequel is going to become the penguin What? So here's the thing I know the Ralph's a liar now So who knows if that's true But like is that what you're gonna be? Is that where you were based everything off? Okay, okay One thing That's fine, but why is that in here? This argument leads you to you cannot have character studies in superhero universes because then you just talk You can imagine all the other characters in the universe. It doesn't hold up I'm sure Murray would be the vulture The guy selling the hot dogs who has a limp. That's the Riddler. That's that's the Oh my no, that's the hot that's the hot dog That's the hot dog Man, that was a fucking point out a hot dog. It's me There's no no worse villain in the batman roster than the hot dogler Don't tell me that's first off. Don't tell me that's stupid when you have killer croc and the penguin. Don't forget steamboat Yep Is it cold hot dogs is stupid Do you think the midget will become the hot dog? She called me and said I think that guy in the sequel Your mom doesn't call you the violence telling you how sad you're supposed to feel Sad here This is not a sad scene. This is not a sad scene This joke will be happy. You have a tin ear too. Let's go What is the criticism the music is telling me to feel a certain emotion? It's like what what else is music meant to do in a film? Is this supposed to accentuate the tone slash experience of the same music is supposed to be like random songs and you're like You end up in suicide squad where they just play the radio in the background of the film The music is so you don't get bored. Oh, shit. I saw it So if you don't actually enjoy the film in the pictures and close your eyes and enjoy the soothing tunes of our soundtracks Also, holy shit, like you can't go for the soundtrack of joker. Like that shit was great. It's so good. Yeah So sad and melancholy. It was done by hildar guttendattar. I don't know actually Appropriate that's that good and talk. He's off the idea of the instability of his mind with the chords that the resonate With the pokes the poor. No, I didn't support course. No, it would have been perfect The joker did this dancing thing to bohemian rhapsody. They have harmonic dissonance Uh, such a lame criticism. We gotta develop it. Let's see if he does film Also, we've got to be really careful because music is like even three seconds of detection and we're done. So This maybe this is what got him hit with copyright actually Then there's a cutaway to him in the asylum and he hits his head against the door It's his head against the door Oh That was corny. This is it. Whoa. What? Whoa. What? I'm I'm sorry. What he never backs anything up Let's just give him the benefit. Is it dead? What does corny get to find it? That's right, dude. What the fuck? What is what did it jump? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry I was being assassinated and my teammate was right there and Why are you playing video games Are you racist? Ma, what are you googling? I'm googling. So the definition of corny got trite banal or morkishly sentimental How come it's not pronounced banal? banal I don't know which of these he's referring to and I don't know how he defines each of them Like give me a give me a fucking rope. I need to help ralf help Oh, don't hang yourself not over this. No, I meant like a rope to help me climb out of something Man, I was so fucking ready. This is a fucking genre I was so fucking ready for that to be La fromage fan art and then someone said hot dog. I was like, oh, that's where it's going I am the hot dog Oh This is the bulge Oh, that is that is inappropriate for this Child friendly christian stream stream. It's all for real 14 year olds. Yeah, we are the concern. Why can't we be like a Women Buddhist stream. We are the progressive muslim stream in Protestant stream Ah, that's still question. Can we be unatologist? Peace be upon you. What's the unatologist? Is that the study of unit? space Study of unitologists or the Scientologists from space That was corny. This is a dead fucking genre the superhero genre. You're doing not a fucking superhero in it Yeah, name a super hero. What do you mean dead genre? There's so many different kinds of superhero, especially if he fucking classifies this as superhero Yeah, he's fucking anything. It'll be a super hero film I just we did this because yms was on EFAP and we would like we we get this criticism I was like You know, what what are the how how do you see guardians of the galaxy as the same as Thor Ragnarok as the same as Iron Man one as the same as homecoming as this and you go on and on Logan obviously We're in the same genre Oh Fucking king of comedy and taxi driver the same. It's a character who's like how can you argue that it's a dead genre though It's going so strong at the moment. Maybe he means dead creatively. I don't know Well, that's giving some charity. I guess I have to because This video is rambling nonsense. I have to make something out of it He's being a silly sausage. Well, we could actually have a discussion if I steal about him Oh Okay, within your best most of the valuable superhero IP is owned by disney and they're not going to do anything What do you mean valuable superhero IP like well, that's clearly not the fucking case now is it? Right, so you got well Man made a shit ton of money suicide squad made a lot of money joker made a lot of money batman versus Super person may have money Don't make a bunch of money if by valuable If by valuable he's referring solely to um, how much money they can potentially make Then uh, dc still put a dent into what marvel can make like dc are like, hey, we're still here. He haven't beaten us Um, secondly, if he means valuable just by like they've owned all the people who are gonna make money It's just like damn wait a fucking just be like, well, give up if you're not dc or marvel Well in this case give up if you're not marvel Yeah, if you ain't disney then just go fucking kill yourself Interesting with it They put it through the same process They do with anything everything else the pixar movies the animated how the fuck are you relating this to joker? Like I They put it through the same process. What do you mean that moose? Is that what you thought the words that you just made with your mouth? On a way, so he's not comparing this to joker it would be comparing it to everything disney does in general So how do you compare this to something like endgame? Um, it has characters in it Good enough Wait, is you want to dress to the live action movies like a lad? What is this point right now? What is this point? The new star wars movies. It's all straight out of the printer. Oh my god. Sorry bless like as big as fashion It's all straight out of the printer and that's one of brother's competition um No Goddamn it Jay keep your fucking video game commentary to yourself. You absolute disgusting creature You're fucking camping piece. So I I can't I'm too important So this isn't really like some masterful arc film. It's a studio piece of crap So that's that's that's literally that's an ad hominin All right that hominem argument about a film He's completed the argument So he set up that all of the out this this is how the argument went you have valuable ips in relation to comics being made into movies That's disney disney do with them what they do with everything like they're animated movies and their remakes, whatever Um, meaning that they're all printed. They're all like soulless copy printed out That's what they all the comic book movies are that is Warner Brothers competition Therefore Warner Brothers have to do that to be able to compete. Therefore joker is creatively bankrupt That's an ad hominem argument. It's a fucking ridiculous argument You could even say that it's almost like the opposite where you have to be creative if someone says all right We need to make a movie about this topic or this universe or something We got to make it good. So that's where the creativity comes in How do I work within these certain constraints to make something that's really good? Ah, sorry I don't remember you being this noisy when I played halo with you. Yeah I'm playing headhunter. It's really intense. I lost a load of heads before I died. You're in a tent And after I when I died and then that's the only noise I made it was entirely restrained You're not allowed to play games on your trial. You know that Yes, I am Point was I don't like this argument, okay I agree It was competition. So this isn't really like some masterful arc film It's a studio piece of crap disguised as a thoughtful character study Like a like a transformer Like a transformer Are you mad? I'm sure he's got a actual artistic film disguised as a studio piece of crap Well, yeah, hang on a second. Oscar bait in disguise Oscar Oscar bait in disguise Oscar bait In disguise More than me. So but the whole point of being bait is that You're not in disguise. You want to catch the Oscar, but you're you're not you look like you're trying to catch the Oscar But you really want to make a good film. Okay. I think I get where he's going Or was his point the they're just gunning for the Oscar, but they're trying to make it look like they're not gutting for the Oscar We want to get a bunch of Oscars. We're not really we actually made a ship How we fooled them Is christ jay just fucking leave if you're gonna do that Jesus christ Jay, this is important. We're talking about Joker. Um, I'm gonna do my best not to do that again So like the uh the the criticism that it's like creative bank of photocopied Oscar bait film I would be like, hmm. Okay. What's your evidence like? Oh shit. We've gone through that part Like I didn't realize like oh god, it's so bad Study it's like a like a transformer Oscar bait in disguise Joker is not a good movie Unsubscribed lover is not a good movie. Mike Stoke. Yeah. Fuck you bag it fucking mouth What's your fucking mouth? It's true. Oh, I said something that was wrong on the internet People are really getting your edgy. I probably made all those people on 4chan upset The movie maker should be at the bottom of every list So this is the part where you just complain to people give him anyone anyone notice anything Post-date post-date post-date Instead of a sunday 25th of june 2017 Wait a second What year did Joker come out for your piece of shit? I get why did you why did you dig this up? Why did you have to did you save this when this when this first happened those many years ago? It's kept this in your catalog and you just like screen shot at it Like if I ever need to show a picture of someone saying something bad about me on the internet I can always pull up this one screenshot 2017 Maybe like see this one fucking anonymous guy on the 4chan reddit He said that no, I was should be at the bottom of every list Search 4chan for his own name and then produced Wait He's gone from attacking fan attacking the audience and fans and and things all those people just throwing jabs at them throughout the review Now he's just directly doing it. I don't like a random comment from an add-on Three year ago 4chan thread like what the fuck? This is weird Approves it. How did he get here? Was this like set up to be that it's about Joker? Get it. You're edgy. It's hardly made all those people on 4chan upset. Did Ralph write this himself Did he write his own Disparaging comment so he could screenshot it. He's playing the long game He's been waiting on that for a long time Wait, I want to I want to pause this one commenter on 4chan He was so smart. He knew that my joker take would be so shit Sightful commenter very insightful You know these comments say yms is pretty good, but takes shit too serious No, I like how serious he takes stuff. I like listening such watching to double toasted and Brad Jones midnight screenings. Okay From the few Ralph videos. I've said, oh, no, it skipped go back Boom the few Ralph videos. I've seen he's probably one of the worst. He pretty much He's pretty much movies brought to life. I don't know what that means I don't know what that means either. Well, so this is I don't want some movies to be brought to life Like Jurassic Park because there'd be dinosaurs everywhere Uckman greater than john's greater than rlm really Why are you calling cuckman and say he's better than those two? Maybe he's talking about stuckman What do I mean? That's that's what I mean. Okay You think I should be at the bottom of every list literally no substance. I mean, it's not like this video had substance so far You have to explain me why it doesn't you have to give An example of a part of the movie where people say, wow, this is really deep. This is really meaningful And then you have to explain No, this is why that is bad. God damn it. I don't want your amateur sex videos Wait, you make your own No, I could I I don't but like if I wanted amateur sex videos I go to the six trillion that are already on the internet Are you sure that number's correct? No, it's not correct. I'm definitely low balling it That doesn't mean it's a great film it doesn't stand on its own What do you mean by that? What do you mean it does stand on its own? What does it mean that it doesn't have? I thought we proved that when is he saying that like it wouldn't have made a million without being called joker I'd be like that doesn't mean it doesn't stand on its own as a story Yeah, how much money does it have to make in dollars to stand on its own? 13 Oh my god, it stood on its own a lot Um artistic intent In my opinion the film didn't feel like it was crafted with a clear artistic intent It felt like phoenix saved a subpar script and production The studio really wanted him and were willing to Burge on his demands Odd Phillips didn't bring much to the story. Wow shock composition lighting and scene direction were all standard standard Thanks internet man You know this reminds me of when jay from red light media said that uh top phoenix isn't a real filmmaker Oh god what a fucking retard thing to say Jay gets so far up his own asshole sometime. I can't believe I did that Well, I was just gonna say like it's uh, it's the same energy like ralph You gotta you gotta climb you gotta claw your way back out of your asshole. You're stuck in there Yeah, you gotta come frolic in the sunshine with the rest of He's trying to but he's just stuck in his ass. He's in the field like help I can't like things Wait rags, what was the other like game you were talking about earlier like butt fucker or something Ash hunter that's the one Close enough I suppose There's butt fucking an ash hunter Yeah, I found it. I played it and I tried it and I couldn't figure out what to do You shoot the homosexuals in the woods That's where they spawn That's where they breed with mushrooms The homosexual consumes the mushroom and gives birth to upwards of 17 new homosexuals spawn from spores We must eradicate the homosexual problem Oh, no, I can't say yeah This gave this crew a lot of leeway to make this film especially And I think that's why this film turned out as good as it did. Of course. I don't know what really Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait As good as it did. I thought you hate the movie. I guess when he says as good as it did He's referring to like I guess that's why it's a five out of ten and not a zero or something like that. I don't know Fucking say the things you mean and don't make it so cryptic Yeah, you gotta you gotta interpret because yeah, this script has got to be shuttle Script he's laking I don't know what's from the script what's improvised scene by scene But I have a feeling all of the worst stuff in this film is the stuff that came from the script And all of the moments that were interesting and unique mainly came from phoenix himself You can't just say that wow just wow So I didn't like that probably they deserve no credit Is he gonna elaborate or is this literally him just being like what do you think Established information about Ralph the movie maker. You just said before this that he can't know for sure But this is his assumption Oh if he said he doesn't really know that makes it okay. Yeah Um, Ralph, I don't think the you wrote any of your videos. I think you've got a ghost writer that does all of it That's giving him too much credit. Yeah all the good parts are just well Yeah, all the shitty parts are you anything that was ever done good on your channel Rags You had a ghost creator Get a ghost creator that did all of it Ghost youtuber according to him there were some really radical changes made to the film from script to set That whole fridge scene was improvised. How much of okay improvising that I'm sorry I'm imagining just improvising that was almost like and that's not the script Why are you what are you doing filming filming camera roll? That's just what he does normally This is like his trailer he doesn't have a trailer. He just lives in the fridge Oh, apparently he gave this a four out of ten by the way out of What Ralph well that that's your opinion you you utter that is a fact You can't say that word unless you're a gamer. Yes. I am because I am one. No, you're not. I disapprove Well, you are white so kind of cancels I don't Like person can say the n word then I can say the f word and I can say retard That's correct. I like it Yes Because when I do see taxi driver and king of comedy every scene feels purposeful and you said this already It's a fucking lie this film. You have a really corny bad See the whole batman connection. What the fuck was that? What just happened? That was not all right I'm staring at the timer and I'm gonna watch it and if it skips over in seconds I will tell the audience because that I don't think was me purposeful And in this film you have a really corny bad See the whole batman connection. Fuck up. That was the video. Ralph didn't fuck up This film was totally pointless if we're going to go with the whole point Yeah, sorry now. Now. I'll actually listen to his points. I was distracted by his shitty audio And in this film you have a really corny bad See the whole batman connection in this film was totally pointless. There is no batman connection There's no batman in this film. Not at all. No batman whatsoever. He's not even mentioned Why would he be? It wouldn't make any sense like a kid. It just zooms into the kid. He's go. I'll be batman Listen son as as Thomas Wayne later dying Blood pulling around him. He reached out to a son. He said son I hope you dress up as a bat one day You know what they should have had is uh when when joker came up to him He was playing with a little toy bat. He was like, I'd like to be a bat one day. The joker's like, haha. That's so cute Oh look aquaman If we're going to go with the whole theory that everything after the fridge is a dream Then why the hell would joker imagine that bruce wain's parents would be killed? I don't care about your stupid dream argument Yeah, why would we think that that's the thing that could happen if the scenes in the film are watched? Yeah Also, someone asked if this would be the that that would would have been a result of him having to trim the music This was this was copied before he trimmed the video. Um So as far as i'm aware, there is no trim in this one and that we would we've just been careful with copyright It's such a specific thing to imagine Like for example now i'm gonna pause Um, what do you mean a specific thing to imagine what why would joker it like let's just go with it for a second That someone said this was something he imagined and now ralph is saying that In general like he couldn't have imagined this that's does this stupid. It's like couldn't have imagined that uh The wane child that could have is living the life that joker feels that he could have had if That you know, thomas wane was actually his dad and that All of that down to his level. Yeah, that's kind of Why i think he finds it funny. He's like why couldn't he imagine this i don't understand And that also happens to tie in with batman You keep saying batman No one batman does not even I'm just trying to make him smile, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? No, he is alfred What do you mean he's supposed to be alfred is this guy supposed to be alfred? Oh, no, maybe it's alfred's brother Fucking idiot try to be alfred. What is what is this criticism? Is halloween's joker treating as alfred? Like genuinely, how does he what does he deliver it with this? He's fucking alfred. What is this? Trying to make him smile, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? You shouldn't be speaking to his that that's it like I actually thought we'd come off No, no, no, that's it that's it Supposed to be alfred this character called It's supposed to be alfred moving on It's supposed to be alfred. All right moving on. Is this supposed to be an ambulance? What is this? Who else is he supposed to be he's supposed to be He doesn't look like Like take advantage of bruce wane joker just kind of stepped on his game Yeah, just said bruce grows up to be alfred He's like bad being rich gets you killed. I'm just gonna be a fucking butler I'm just trying to make him smile, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? You shouldn't be speaking to his For the first 25 minutes of this film. You know, it's supposed to be got them. I kind of want to cut now You wait, what I just want to use that little cut This guy's supposed to be alfred That might be the most bizarre part of this whole video I don't get it. What's going on this guy's alfred. Is this supposed to be murray? I Oh, I should I haven't been gaddalbing anyone near enough in this one. I feel bad. Yeah, this guy's supposed to be I'll never know we'll never know that guy's alph I feel like that might become a meme Alfred Somebody's gonna make that video series of clips of just not alfred And he's the butler for the Wayne family They're alfred now. They're alfred now I don't even like get it. He's supposed to be alfred Oh, what a fun like moment in this General of the cotton and alarming first president of the u.s. Is this supposed to be george? Is this supposed to be batman? You shouldn't be speaking to his son for the first 25 minutes of this film. You don't even know Oh my god Five minutes, it must be terrible imagine learning something late in the film that you didn't know What did he say? Is this guy supposed to be For the first 25 minutes of this film, you don't even know it's supposed to be Gotham. It's just a city For him because he complains constantly was like, oh Universe so bad You can't you can't bitch that something is so obvious and then bitch that all we don't know is Gotham in the first 25 minutes Gotham is just a joker Building he's like, is this supposed to be alpha? Jay long most of those is supposed to be Step is out It wasn't about the same set of characters again It wasn't like, oh harley quinn is gonna show up now and then they're gonna fight killer croc Just because I have negative things to say about the film. I'm sorry. What just happened. I need to read I don't even know what happened. I need to repeat that because I would go all the way back to the great quote I mean, I hate the film. Oh wait, shit Shit go back to the the co I need it Oh, I went really far back. Whoops It's too far, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? For the first 25 minutes of this film, you don't even know it's supposed to be Gotham It's just this city and I like that aspect of it It wasn't about the same set of characters again. It wasn't like, oh harley quinn is gonna show up now Oh, so he's not bitching about it. Just because I have So good you said that was a good thing. Okay. Yeah All right. Yeah fine. Okay. It's weird to just throw that in like, I don't know It's uh, Gotham at the first 25 minutes. That's great. And it's quite a strange thing to put it in this Talking about it's this person Alfred Negative themes to say about the film does not mean I hate the film. It does not mean I think it's a worthless film I just don't think it's perfect. I don't think it's okay. Okay. Let's be honest. You're going way further than saying it's not perfect Yeah You're talking about how shallow and empty it is and how it's made for 14 year olds. Okay Yeah, just be like, oh, I just people would just go be upset because everything is perfect That honestly that to me kind of feels a bit like backpedaling because he's he's late in the script now He's like, hey, look, I'm just saying it's not perfect. All right. It's like you what after everything you just said If you think that I'm wrong then you're a bad you're a 14 year old More on sounds like a really late. IMO card to be honest. Yeah, like to try this a little earlier problem Deserves the golden lion. I don't think it's a masterpiece Oh, wow, we actually fucking shows that clip How do you show this maintain? I want to change my vote to lie. Okay To lie in this direction. He's being willfully most willfully dishonest to lie actually Put the clip in how do you fucking do this? It's all his opinion. All right, fuck Oh, no, he's showing the slap through it. Oh, you see his dog is giving him the eyes like man, you better not come near My ass This is a parody. This is gonna be in a complete lie. I just like the idea that the dog is like this kid is funny. I'm sorry That tissue is under his couch. What the fuck the cotton Why is there a little cotton under his couch? I don't want to know could be He secretes his cotton That's what he secretes. Do you not? Uh, not on not on Thursdays and not on the floor because you're not a dirty animal No, I do That's not like I don't I'm not saying the movie is terrible. I don't hate the movie and then this shows Like, okay. Yeah, I believe you. Well, wouldn't surely this counts for saying it's boring right So does that mean he's either moron? I guess that means he's a moron Let go let dad do what sounds do you make with sword straggler you? I go That's the noise of it. I go, please stop sir. I do not appreciate losing access to my windpipe Um, I well what depends what the what's the safe word in the situation? Then I don't say that. Oh, all right. Yeah It's you've said twice. So now I am wondering if this is a parody. It's like I got a bit it Man, let let the dog go. The dog does not want to be hugged, right? It's so boring. Oh, no, it's based on my favorite comic book character. You can't be funny Dude that that dog is uncomfortable say look how small my pee pee is Yes, yes, you did. All right. Okay. Wait, I got on the comment section of my show You have the gall to criticize a movie like joker Let's look at the full comment, I guess That's quite a good joke Well to criticize a movie like joker after giving it price previously I wanted to go back on your own portfolio with cheaply made schlock like this I think you should refocus your directional style acting cinematography Rescues me. Your series sucks. Is this all like this is clearly he's like this is a fabricated comment, right? I don't know I could believe this coming Um, you know, you're right actually wait, how could you because this this would be posted No, it can't be a comment on the video that's it's been posted in. Yeah Um What would this be posted on if it's about because he was he was he was friendly to joker in the podcast one, right? Unless this is on the podcast one. I don't know The gall to criticize a movie like joker. Fuck you the gross overreaction to this film is hysterical I know look at your video. It's kind of crazy At least he was as honest and covering that comment as he is As he was honest covering the joker. Yeah all consistent Yet it's an amalgamation of things you liked from when you were six years old You like the joker cartoons. You like the joker comic book But really it's just an okay movie as far as the cinematography is concerned. I guess it's shot well But it's not very The structure is Gobbage also you already liked it because you liked stuff from when he was six It's like damn that age just keeps getting lower, didn't it? Yeah I didn't I didn't want to watch a joker when it first came out, but then I learned that it was Doing something all on its own and then I wanted to watch it Yeah, I checked it out because I like the trailer a lot. I was like this looks cool It looked like it was his own thing. That's just because it was the joker It's not precise. They were better-looking movies this year joke They were better-looking movies this year. Okay guys Moving on So if it's not the best it's just not worth celebrating Notes garbage I don't even know what to say Joker's an exceptional movie. Okay. What's the exceptional part? This is exceptional I'm sorry, what what just happened? Is that supposed to be elfred? I'll just show clips out of context Um Oh What what do you think you're achieving with that montage? What what's it's not even Joaquin Phoenix's best performance. We're still talking. Why are you saying this? Why why are we back to it has to be the best in order to celebrate? What's Oh man about batman we've made batman movies for fucking 60 years Can we talk about a film that's original, please you had you could talk about whatever you want People have been talking about the joker for so long because people keep um There's different jokers. Okay. There's different jokers. There's different iterations and different batman And identities to the joker. That's why people that's why you survived for so long I'm starting to actually be like is is this a joke because there's so much tis of it this Yeah Do their joke he's just really he's really bitter with himself Because he liked the movie and now he for some reason he hates the movie for strange reasons Is this video supposed to be alfred? That's the answer The beginning of this movie is boring as hell something bad happens to joker I thought we weren't allowed to say stuff is boring Most down the rules. I don't think he said that. I think he said like good films You're not allowed to say a boring, but that's fine because it's no because he said Apply this to any film that people say is boring. Yeah, but I think the implication of that was good films that people say Yeah, well, it's not what he said is a j I think it was implicit in the subtext. I think that you're implicit in the subtext of lies I think you're alfred Can we verify rags you alive by the way Oh Brunk doggo down Man down They play some sad violin music rinse and repeat it gets a little better When joker's making faces with this kid, but then joker starts having a laughing fit And has a card with his condition. What's wrong with that? Yeah Okay, that was okay But then they have to play the sad violin music to remind you that this is a sad scene instead of just like Fitting music with a scene Fitting the emotional just like violins violins bad. I don't know Violins are bad. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna play in the world's smallest violin No, he doesn't like them. Stop That's my way of punishing him Those violins are a mistake I like do you actually think those violins are a mistake? No, you can't have a You mean your main the main character of your movie can never have their own theme Can't have a musical cue when they come on stage. It's that's ridiculous. No good movie does that apparently Holy shit, we nearly throw it. Yeah, we're actually this this has been a long stream. I just know it's not even half over, but hey No Wait, what do you mean? It's not is this like the is this video one of two? No, no it's super chas Oh, right. Yeah, that hat exists You know break I like deniro and I get what people like about this character It's a cartoonish TV host, but there's nothing more to it He just serves to be a father figure metaphor. He's not cartoonish at all. He's like considering his screen time He's quite well fleshed out as a person. Yeah, I'm worried. He's more complex than being a cartoon He's not like I'm gonna each humiliate you you fucking idiot. That's not We've already we've already come Yeah, we actually yeah, we did he's when he said there was only one dimensional character It's like no Joker's story and that's it. He doesn't actually have a character see that by the way folks So he made a 24 minute video my video on Joker if I ever make it it's probably gonna be like two hours And so it's like so Ralph was more concise than you and I'd be like no actually There's a good chance. He repeated his points more than I will in that two hours Hmm And this will happen you don't have structure. He's talked about this but he's talking about it again He's repeated himself a whole bunch of times in this video Wow Mola takes opportunity to say his work is good. Wow. I think anybody who doesn't repeat themselves is someone who doesn't repeat themselves Say that again. That's true. I can't it's against the law Say that again. It's illegal Or wants desires does he have a family like It's a parody. It's like record him for a dream So everybody's heard about the super rats that are in God's super rats, you know fellas Oh, I did a silly impression of his voice. What are we supposed to do with that? That's that's been in a bulk of his critique. There's doing silly impressions of what people say Well, like everybody played the music and he was going blah, blah, blah Like oh you're nailing it dude. That's been the bulk of his critique. Just make The people this is just this film has made me angry, but it's irrational So i'm just gonna have to make an irrationally angry video Makes a complete sense Jokes that are ironically bad instead of actually writing jokes that would be funny You know what I mean folks these super rats you ready for this is still funnier than jimmy kimmel Why did we cut to a shot behind him that's rotating around him to james wan direct this What What's what's happening on screen right now because i'm not looking Is it is it was a shot behind a nero the shot behind a nero and it cycles around him as he's talking Apparently that's bad That is bad It's terrible we cut to a shot behind him that's rotating around him to james wan direct this I'm sorry. I think it's boring I mean even rocky doesn't seem interested Is he described as boring three times after saying the boring thing. It's interesting three four times already. Yeah I think he meant something else by that. I think we are being an autism by taking it literally I think you're being way too kind to not hold him accountable for the state. What's he makes Uh, but I think the subtext was quite implicit and we've already had this discussion. You're wrong. You're wrong I've said it twice, which means I repeat myself and I lose This will be as bad actor played this role Jared leto When jared leto heard that warner brothers was green lighting a joker film starring quacky phoenix and not him He was reportedly upset by it. But here's the thing jared leto you're acting What are you? Would you live? My god that film if you fat or some way it's a combination of is actually some Make it so bad Man, that's what a bad film I was supposed to be alfred Looks kind of like And there was apparently like enough footage to give this guy his own movie And they edited it down to five minutes and all that was left I wonder if he's gonna say that because he's zooming in on the damage to tattoo So was this buffoon with tattoos on his forehead, you know, some of the criticism is is so uh Over the top vitriolic But I bet if jared leto had a full film to flesh out this character, it would have been better. Maybe maybe sure Actually, I completely take that back the truth is no one. I mean, I don't think anyone died It would be better in terms of understanding, right? I think more of it is what I think more of that is just bad It depends on what criteria we're working with here in terms of like bringing a more cohesive understanding of this character like, I don't know Yeah, but I think to have more cohesive understanding of that character would be worse. Yeah I Doesn't doesn't Ralph like this joker better because he is about is about a subtle as a kingdom of comedy because we're damaged right on this forehead Oh, well, that is subtle. It's subtle. It's the king of comedy level of subtlety So that's good, right would be able to stand this version of choker for more than five minutes Muddled themes and execution muddled themes I thought he said that the theme was too obvious and singular society bad Right truth is no one would be able to stand this version of choker for more than five minutes So, oh, there we go muddled themes and execution led to a confused third act It's jump proven that I don't know. Maybe he will at the moment where Arthur commits a murder on television was pretty good What he said he hated that because it was too obvious Yeah No, okay, okay Everything everything after that didn't make clear if I was If I was supposed to be against or rooting for Arthur Maybe you or he wants to film to tell him how to feel does he yes, there wasn't enough music in those sections You can also write off the entire finale as a dream sequence in Arthur's head which deflates the conclusion entirely He really is really he really wants that to be true That dream sequence thing he's running without hardcore It's so weird it up This talented crew was able to bring some life into it But when you remove them and you look at the script and the story and the heart of what this movie is trying to say Yeah, it is good. He's right. I'm assuming he's about to say it's good, right? Yeah Yeah, he's about to say it's good. That's why we agree with him I think it's a lot of ideas kind of mesh together And something is made of it and it's definitely entertaining But it's ultimately a combination of a bunch of other different movies But it doesn't really My god, I don't even want to think about writing out that sentence. He just made It's such a gobble Oh, I don't care if he scripted it or not. We don't speak that way when we're not scripted We don't go it's a movie about several things that kind of come to it's like a movie that is good It's just lots of people involved in myself saying that Well, okay, speak for yourself then That's what I said I said I agreed. I said, okay, speak for something This is how it's nothing civil about it. Oh, I see what you did. Oh, yeah nailed it Come together and it doesn't really have a vision that that oh my god. What is the hell just happened? What just happened? A combination of a combination of the cock Gonna keep keep gonna keep my eye on the timer see if we are skipping or she's skipping different movies But it doesn't really come together and it doesn't really have a vision that that cock Oh my god It doesn't have a vision that cock Like maybe you want to fix that I don't know It's a parody It's not a good parody either like To your parody or lying and you take your choice, I suppose It's fucking I'm sorry. I want to hear the video is an anomaly of a video Doesn't have a vision that cock Maybe he's testing out like this new AI that right like that. He puts all of his Videos into and it uses like I can't believe this is made by an AI. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be alfred. I think so