 Y cyfnod yw y wneud, yn ymgylchedd yn dechrau a'r rwyf yn eu ddweudio, ac yn ymdyn nhw'n credu cyfrifio, nifer, byddwch, yn ymddangos, yn ymgylchedd y Lleidiau Lleidiau, a ymgylchedd ymdyn nhw ymdyn nhw... ..af y cyfnodd yng nghymru yn y Lleidiau Lleidiau. Mae'r cyfnod a'n ei wneud hynny, a'r cyfnodd yn ymgylchedd yn ymgylchedd. Mae'r ddaw ar y lleif iawn. Mae'n dweud i'n ddweud. Mae'n ddweud i'r ddweud i'r fawr yn y Lleber. Mae'n rhaid i'r ddefnyddio gynnwysol. Mae yna'n ddechrau'n gwybod. Mae'n ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud, fel ffawr o'r angylchol. Mae'r ddweud i'r wyf yn y lleif iawn. Mae'n ddweud i'r cybal, wrth gwrs. Mae'r ddweud i'r gendith yma'r ydylliannol. time because they represent a different class from us we represent I think working people whereas they represent the system and the continuation of the system and I think this demand and this initiative of a recall conference is a very important one because it allows us to galvanise the left I think first of all first and foremost and also to mobilise the rank and file of the party in a positive way in order to come back to these attacks and get on the right foot as it were and I think we have a great opportunity of course there are those perhaps in the party or perhaps who think well you know this thing it'll it'll blow over you know that give it time and whatever you do don't rock the boat then we will be there come and be back and everything will come back to normal well I don't think so I don't believe so one I ought to because I believe that the right wing are determined to carry this war through to the end and the reason why they are so bitter and so determined I think is because of the last five years as well that they they had a bad experience in the Corbyn they lost control and after all these people particularly in the parliamentary Labour Party thought they ruled the roost you know that they had a job for life and that their interests were protected well and truly and when Corbyn won the election for leader and hundreds of thousands of people joined the party to become a real party that was a threat as far as they were concerned a threat to their interests and therefore today they're determined now they're back in the saddle unfortunately they're determined to uh yes to to carry through a counter-revolution you know against the rag and file and that that's been made plain I think uh over over the past a couple of years I mean I remember Tony Blair it was at two years it was said well to bring the Labour Party back to what it really was what it should be we need to get rid of 300 000 members in other words you had to purge the party and that's what they're trying to do first of all by trying to demoralise the Labour Party demoralise the ranks and well let's be clear they've succeeded in a certain way you know 100 000 people understand have left the party through disillusionment and despondency and you know if we're allowed to continue they'll wreck the whole show basically and therefore it's a yes I believe it's a a fight and a half and people need to understand what it's it's a fight this is not a tea party you know this is a fight to the finish for the left as well because they will continue all the way through in my opinion and as we know we know in all great fights you know weakness invites aggression isn't it and the weak uh weakness that we are perceived of the the greater strength that they they gain from that and I think we have to learn some some lessons as well you know I don't think we are above not not learning a few tricks from the last five years because this war hasn't been going on for five minutes or a few months it's been going on for five years as soon as Jeremy was elected leader of the party they come out of this the trap straight away to undermine him undermine the membership undermine the election prospects everything in the book obviously backed by the capitalist media the capitalist class the establishment or behind these people because that's what they represent they want the the Labour Party back in safe hands safe hands for capitalism and the Labour Party is a very important weapon from that point of view as far as they're concerned and they certainly don't want the rank and file to get a get their mitts on it so therefore the the the right wing we're conducting this guerrilla warfare and what else could you say it's a I mean I couldn't I mean I know that perhaps I may get carried away with a few words here and there perhaps it's the Welshness in me I don't know but it's like a fifth column operating in the Labour Party you know they were destroying everything they possibly could include in electoral responses you saw that even in 2017 where my old friend was at Stephen Kinac when he was interviewing that you could see when he was told that Labour was at a head and gaining he was a face of despondency why because they wanted it to lose the election in order to discredit Corbyn and drag him down that's what happened in 2019 unfortunately and the rank and file have never had a say on it and that's about time the rank and file did I think you know there's a a meme going round about Corbyn saying the real strength of the party is the rank and file I couldn't agree with him more but we've got to give you know power to the rank and file and that means a conference and we'll have a conference as far as I'm concerned because that's the only way we can you know call these people to order and democracy must be in the rank and file is I mean we have lost a trick or two I mean I mean despair sometimes I think wow you know when the right wing gets gets in they're pretty determined you know can't fault one at where the left had a chance at a great opportunity you know for five years and well I know the right wing was spitting in our faces and we were kind of wiping it off and there were stabbers in the back and we were because we wanted all unity unity well I'm in favour of unity but I'm not in favour of unity if people are stabbing me in the back I want genuine unity of socialist prepared to change society and fight for the interests of working people not careerists not Tory infiltrators in the party because that's what these people are and that's what they represent and therefore we have to put power in the hands of the rank and file it's a shame by the way isn't it in 2019 2018 rather at the Labour Party conference we've given the opportunity to have open selection in the words we can now control over our representatives what a democratic right that was and yet we were robbed of it robbed of it 90% of constituency parties were in favour of that initiative which would have been which would have been a game changer I would have bought real democracy into the ranks itself but we were denied it and that was a ffaithful ffaithful move really because then it allowed them to get on there you know they felt secure of course that few of them split away but we knew what the agenda was and they were there as a trojan horse within the Labour waiting and we saw what happened you know 2019 oh everything came showered down you know all the living dead were brought out on the television the lord so-and-so lord straw and all of them mandelson and the rest of them shouting about how bad the election result was the worst results in 1935 in fact we gained more votes than in 2015 more votes than 2010 and more thoughts than 2005 but of course they didn't care about that they had one agenda and that was to destroy gobin and now what they done they got rid of him you know out of the party he's not a Labour MP and now they're going for those who support them and those parties were former danger like in Liverpool for instance and that's where they attack them or Bristol or in Sheffield or elsewhere so therefore it's a real fight and a half and we must be up for it we can't just pussyfoot around now and therefore I hope that the left will galvanize itself will take note from what's happening because there's no letter it's like a you know a blitz streak against the left in the party and if you don't fight back now then we'll really be in trouble so this opportunity for the the conference is spot on spot on we have to and look oh it's something so where are we going to get look full force at the point of attack that's the military angle in other words you go first you see something and you go for it helpful either and that's what requires this conference itself mobilizing constituencies mobilizing unions galvanizing support for it and focus it on getting at if it isn't about well we use the energy because we're not giving up we're not giving up on this struggle we'll use the energy and the strength he mobilized to carry on the struggle itself because it is a living struggle and we can win we have the power we have the majority in effect they have the machine and therefore are we going to take it you know it's like you know Shelly said you know arise like lions lionesses I should say you know in in vanquishable numbers rise up you've got the power let us take it because democracy lies with a rank and file to decide the character not this pro capitalist austerity nonsense but fighting for ordinary working people and the fighting for the ideas of socialism thank you