 Question is from Amelia Jude, RD. What do you think of the health at any size movement? False. Yeah. It's flat out fucking false. It's totally at any size? That's not true. No, that's why. That's false. Yeah, that's not true. Can you be bigger and be healthier than somebody who's skinny? 100%. Totally. 100% I can have somebody who is, let's say 30 pounds of body fat, or 30% body fat, which is heading up towards the quote unquote obese area, right? For a male at least. And I can have that person, and they could definitely be technically healthier than the same size or the same height male who's at a 5% body fat. So, you know, what they're doing, what they're intaking, drugs, mental, stuff that's going on, their behavior. I mean, there's so many factors that constitute what makes us healthy or unhealthy that absolutely you can be bigger, a little bit heavier or carry more body fat than somebody else and technically be healthier. But to say that health at any size is a crock of shit. It's just a general statement to make. If you are morbidly obese, or even just obese for that matter, you're unhealthy. And you're unhealthier than the version of you that is 20% less body fat. Yeah, I'm glad you said that. So there's definitely a range that your body weight can be, and you can have equally good health. Like you could be a man with good behaviors, good eating habits, good exercise at 18% body fat, or you could be at 10% body fat, good behaviors, good exercise, everything's the same, except you eat more when you're 18% than you. And you'll find that your health is pretty much the same. It's pretty damn good. But at some point, regardless of your behaviors, at some point when you gain so much, you gain too much body fat, at some point your health always suffers. Now you can definitely be morbidly obese and be healthier than and be morbidly obese and be less healthier, but a morbidly obese version of yourself is not gonna be as healthy as a healthy version of yourself that's not morbidly obese. The only thing I agree with this is that basically, like you shouldn't be determining somebody's health based off their aesthetics. I mean, like it's a good indication that some things are going right in terms of body fat and overall composition, but there's a lot more factors to being healthy than just looking good. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that just everybody in every shape and size is healthy. Like you have to determine that for yourself and then go through the whole list of, what are all those markers look like? Well, there's a line here, okay? There's a line here. You absolutely, like what Saul was saying, I allow myself to fluctuate. I've been as, and the irony of it is when I'm on stage and probably what the average person, oh my God, he's ripped and that would be this greatest expression of health. No, I'm unhealthy at 3%. Probably I'm more unhealthy at 3% than what I am at 17%, okay? So there is definitely a wide range here, but if I kept going to 30, you know, 20, 25, 28% body fat, no. No, I'm not healthy anymore. And that is in the way my body looks at that point is a reflection of my health. I'm not taking care of myself nutritionally. Therefore, I'm carrying an excessive amount of body fat in my body. I am no longer a healthy version of myself and the way I look is a reflection of that. There is a line here and it's, and I understand where this movement came from because I know that we shouldn't be judging. I know we shouldn't be idolizing women that are on Calvin Klein ads 20 years ago that were probably smoking cigarettes and starving themselves. They're just as unhealthy as the newest Calvin Klein article where the girl is on there and probably 280 pounds. Neither one of them, though, are truly healthy. Yeah, no, that's an excellent point. I get the sentiment, you know, you want people to focus on their health and not necessarily on their size. That's 100% true, by the way. That's something that I promote all the time. If you chase health, then your aesthetics will follow. And if you chase aesthetics, oftentimes you'll lose your health and then the downstream effects of that or you'll lose your aesthetics. And, you know, Justin's right. You can't look at some, I mean, we learned this about performance. You guys, you know, in mixed martial arts, there was a fighter, Fedar Emilianenko. This guy was undefeated for a long time. He looked chubby. Looked like a chubby dude. He'd get in the ring or the cage with dudes that were shredded and he'd put them to sleep. He'd knock them out or break their arm or whatever. Oh, look at our guy here in San Jose, like four-time champion. Shane Velazquez. No, not Kane. Well, Kane's an example, too. Has one. A new boxer? No, he's... How can you not think of his name right now? He's a black guy and he's... Super T. Come here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the best... Dominate. Oh, yeah, not only is he dominant, but that he's known for his cardio. So his endurance is incredible. His strength is incredible. He's healthier than what he probably looks aesthetically. There's definitely a health at a large range of sizes. That's what they should say. It doesn't sound so cool though, does it? It's not very marketable to say that. But the reality is there is good health at a range of sizes, but there isn't health at any size. At some point, excess body fat, body fat is a hormone-sensitive tissue. There are effects from having too much body fat on your body, regardless of your diet and exercise, and having too much of it will negatively impact your health, regardless of... Yeah, and again, I think that we should all strive to be the better version of ourselves. So I always think that that is gonna come out, like you said, when you're bettering yourself, your body is gonna be a reflection of that. So I do feel strongly about that. I just wanna... If somebody is unhealthy and they're working on themselves, you don't always know the full story either. They may be way more healthy and been improving what they started out with. And so, to me, these general statements are so irritating because it becomes distorted, and then the message becomes the sort of movement to, well, I'm this size and I'm good, and it just becomes a complacency thing. Well, and it's a very dangerous message, I think, for the generation coming up. I used to keep this article. I wish I remember the stats off the top of my head. I know they were extremely alarming, though, on if you were under the age of 10 and you were already in the obese category, which, by the way, what people think is obese and what really is obese is alarming in itself. I mean, we have what 60% of our country is already considered clinically obese. Well, I know overweight, I think obese is better. It's definitely over 50%, yeah. No, no, no, obese is not over 50%. Wrong, we looked that up. It's up higher than that? No, it's lower than that. It's only like 30-something percent. Look it up. Wait, wait, less than 30% of Americans? Oh, no, I'm telling you that there's more than half the Americans are considered clinically obese. Right, right, right. That's what I'm saying to you, right? Yes, yes, yes. And I used to have a study that I had kept on my wall by my office at the gym, and it talked about if you were under the age of 10 and already clinically obese, how many years that shaves off your life if you're under the age of 20, if you're under the age of 30, and it had this like, you know, obviously the younger you are, and already in that category, the more damaging this is for you long-term. Oh, dude, girls are starting puberty way earlier because their body fat is so high. It's a hormone-sensitive tissue. Boys are getting estrogenic signs and lower testosterone as a result. I just looked it up right now. Clinical obesity is almost 40%. Overweight is a majority. So there's like overweight and then obese is a higher percentage. Okay, obese is 40%. Yeah, yeah. Are they basing that off BMI because, you know, I have an issue with that. They do, and that's a good point. They do because, I mean, obviously they're not gonna go around testing. Right. Well, they could, they should. They should. They're going off of body weight, but generally speaking and looking at trends, it's relatively accurate. Here's the more accurate part. The number's going up. So we know that for a fact. We know that it's interesting. Yeah, we're going the wrong direction. We know that. I mean, God, when I first became a trainer 20 years ago, they called type two diabetes adult onset diabetes. That was what they taught us. They said there were two types of diabetes, type one and adult onset diabetes. The reason why they called it adult onset was because- No kids had it. Yeah, your lifestyle gave you diabetes as an adult. They changed it to type two because so many kids started getting it. It was silly to call it adult onset. And they said, oh, this is now type two diabetes. So- And again, why I don't like a message like that. If we're already skewed in that direction, and that's something that we've watched just in the two decades of us training clients, like where are we gonna be 10 years from now with a message like this letting young kids that are growing up think that it's okay and you can be healthy at all sizes. You're right. It's not a great message. What needs to be communicated is in hate your body, your overweight, your obese, hate your body. It's, hey, you're obese. Let's love your body. Let's take care of it in the realest sense. And then let's watch what that looks like. Let's watch- Love yourself by improving. That's it, totally.