 Hey everyone. I'm just gonna do those all night. Just get the crowd going. This is Talking Baseball? Talking Baseball. I'll start off. We'll go to my left. We have to my left beautiful hair, nice jacket tonight, twin star, A's, Ray's, Texas, Philly Spring Training. Oh, the crowd laughed. Texas Spring Training, Philly's show. I beat your Dodgers, by the way. Ladies and gentlemen, Trevor Plooo. Thank you. How about an intro? To his left. I think he's a ball player. Okay. Okay. A young guy. We'll see if he's got the makeup. Decent second half of the season. Pitcher for the Cardinals, Jack Flurry. I hear some booze out there. He's got a fan section in right field. All the way to the left, Jimmy O'Brien and I am. You've seen the videos. You've seen the gray hair. John Boyd, the great John Beano, Jimmy O'Brien. Thank you. Can I say something to start real quick? Yeah. Because we are in Santa Monica. Okay. I'm a Valley boy, but I know what Santa Monica means. And Jack and I, one of our best friends on July 1st, passed away and he's a Santa Monica legend. So wouldn't be right to not start the show off with a little bit of toast to our good buddy who's not with us today. And I guarantee he'd be here on the stage if he was here alive today. Yes, he was. So big at the tie, tie skag, Santa Monica legend. Cheers. And on the right, we got a belly shirt wearing. Can't read. Can't write. Dummy named Jake Storielli. And anyone that's here that has no idea what's going on and you got off work, you have some beers and you're in the back, we are a baseball podcast called Talking Baseball. Believe it or not, there's a lot of people that still like baseball out there. Oh yeah. We got a little news today and I'm sure you're all excited. I don't know how much we're going to dive into at the beginning, but we're going to do a Q&A at the end and fire away. But for a while we got to talk to Jack here. He's the star of the show. Well, we do have Trev sitting right here. No, no, no. He's a rookie. He's still working his way in. I'm trying. I'm trying. I brought the talent in today. Jack is my friend. Forget about that. You know, I met him yesterday and we had a good handshake, so we're good. This is our first ever live show. So thank you all to everyone. We had a conversation on the phone with the great people here at Santa Monica Brewworks. They said, how many people do you think will show up? I said, I don't know, maybe 20, 40. Bill, Bill said, you're an idiot. I think we're going to get a lot more people than that. And he was right and I was wrong. So thank you to everyone that showed up. This is pretty wild. Usually it's me in one room alone and Jake in another room alone talking to each other through the computer. So this is a bit different. Times are good. Times are good. Neither wearing pants. Oh, well, that's a visual. Yeah, still not. Still not. Where do we start? Do we start with you guys? I mean, I don't want to throw it in too deep, but I mean, Trevor, well, I will. Trevor, and you're connected to, I feel every baseball player from California. You're a proud Valley boy. Can I say that? My Valley guy? Yeah, absolutely. You're one of the people out there. Where's the Valley at? I guess start with your guys connection. I mean, I've known you for a brief period of time. Unfortunately, you've been nothing but nice to us. So we've started a little friendship here. And maybe you're just a nice dude. I'm not buying that. I'm going to ask Jack about that in a little bit. But I don't know what like, how did your guys friendship start? Or where do you guys go back to? We, you know, the baseball world in Southern California in general is very small. So if you play baseball around, you know everybody, right? And we started, and I say we, it's me and Ryan Braun go way back. He's another Valley guy. And we started working out together at Pepperdine University. And go ways. Yeah, go ways. And we had a nice report there and I set up and before we knew it, our agency, CAA, started sending all the local guys over. So randomly one day, this guy shows up and Tyler Skag shows up and Lucas Gelito and Max Freed. And you know, the baseball world in LA, it's, I mean, they put out some really talented people. So we started working together. And the other guys we made pay their dues like they couldn't work out with me and Ryan. Oh, wow. Yeah. But Jack came in, he was just different. Like we knew this guy was going to put the work in. And it was just like, we just saw his demeanor. And from that day, we just started working out together and developed a really good friendship. How old was, how old were you when you, when all this went down? I was 18. Yeah, I was 18. Freshly drafted. Walk into this gym. And that first one, that first year I wasn't able to work out with you guys. I still worked out them. And then the next year you guys were like, all right. We saw, we saw what you had. You know, you were the old guy in the gym just trying to yell at everybody. I'm a motivator. He's a motivator. He's the one he's yelling. He's trying to get everybody to work hard. He's, you know, his big thing was don't let a, don't let the old guy outwork you. And I did every day. No, he never. So yeah, to set up a picture of this, we worked out in a gym that was half the size of the area that we're in back here. So we call it the dungeon, very small little workout facility at Pepperdine. And people, you got, people got on my nerves a lot. I mean, there's very small space there. And Jack never got on my nerves, but Skag's got on my nerves all the time. Lucas and Max got on my nerves all the time. The Heinemann brothers are also Santa Monica people. If anybody knows them, you'll know why. But no, but no, for real, Jack has just been, you know, we knew from day one, like hard worker, this guy's going to be something. And then this year, I mean, obviously I think everybody in the baseball world knows who Jack is. Yeah, man. Well, yeah. Jack, you're in high school, your star pitcher, your junior year, you went 13 and oh, you had a 0.63 RA, your senior year, you go 10 and oh, you have a 0.63 RA. What I want to know is off the top. Did you feel bad? No, I feel bad. Like when the eight hole hitter and the nine hole hitter that looked like Jake stepped to the plate. I got to be a bully to this kid. No, I mean, there ain't, there's never reason to feel bad. I'm usually asked, Trev, Trev had a pretty good high school career too. No, I didn't feel bad. We heard a little, we heard a little story about Trev. He was a freshman first game on varsity through a no hitter. That is true. I actually did not know that. That is true. I'm impressed. I got it. I don't, at least all my, you know, you always said you could pitch. Every day we'd go out there, we'd throw, you're out there, you want to, you want to flat ground, you want a bullpen. You think you can pitch and you think you're good at something and then you get around somebody like Jack or Max or Lucas and you realize the guy was, I wish, shit. Wait, you were a freshman, those guys were seniors, right? Or junior. They graduated before you? Me? I was a, I was a sophomore and they were seniors. They were two years older than me. So once they left, that's when you, once they left, I started pitching more and that's kind of where went from there and somehow I stopped being a position player. I don't, I still don't know. Could you hit? Could you swing? I used to. Yeah. Used to. Stop shaking your head. You know who the real athletes are. Whoa. Whoa. I don't give a lot of credit to pitchers being athletes, but you're one of them. I'll, I'll see. I appreciate that. Well, speaking of that, I made a couple breakdowns of you this year. Don't know if you've seen them because they were. I have not, I have not, but I heard about one of them from Trev. Okay. You star pitcher. Fantastic season. Sai young votes. You got thrown out twice on the base. Twice in the span of a week. I'm sure these guys over here remember that game. They started clapping for Sai young votes and then you ended it with thrown out on the base twice. Twice. Twice in the span of a week. So the first time you got gunned at the plate. Yeah. And they were both to end the game, right? Both ended the game. Yeah. Oh yeah. The second time they say, Jack, we need you to run. Are you like, screw you? No, I'm like, let's go. All right. And nobody else wants to be put in that situation as a pitcher. I'm like, all right, let's go do it. Go ahead. Second one was a pick picked off. Yeah, picked off. Really, really good report. Yeah, was I was underprepared for that one. But yeah, that one got me way more than the one getting thrown on the plate. But yeah, there's a shot of you looking like really sad. Like why did they have me run when I'm a pitcher? Only thing coach, I don't do this ever. Yeah, you know, it was a damn I can't believe that just happened. It all happened so fast. I got out there next to you know, I was picked off and the game was over. You were given the measurement. How big's my leech? I was not exactly. And then I got to watch the replay, see what happened, you know, the just a little bit of hope because they're replaying you watch that replay. I didn't I was on the field for like 15 minutes. Yeah. Oh yeah. You were just looking at the board also. I was just like, all right, I'm gonna let everybody leave and the Marlins were looking at you like, is he okay? Yeah, I ended up being all right. Yeah, you ended up being pretty good. Yeah. We heard a story. So the first half of last year, your first 16 games, the era is at that stellar next 16 games. Jake, what is it 0.93 something like that? Is I 16 games? I think the better thing for what we're doing is so we started we did the Yankee stuff. Yeah, we're the Yankee fans. Yeah. So then we were like, all right, people kind of like us. Should we do MLB stuff? So then we got into MLB stuff. And we started a segment called Enflago. And it was like, who's hot? Like who had a really good series or something like that? And Jack, what you did was you took over the Enflago section because you got dirty the second half. Now, if I ask you what the difference is, what changed? What's your answer? Uh, simply play was execution. Okay. No, you didn't sit you. I mean, that's the that's the big reason I don't have no special answer because that was a leading you just led right. The dude to your right takes full credit. Yeah, he showed us text exchange from July 2nd. The difference happened on July 3rd. He said, no, he gave you some real good advice. And he's the reason for your second half. What did you what did you do? He's playing it super cool right now. You know exactly what happened. What happened. What happened was we were talking and you had said something about how you just didn't feel consistent. And then I just gave some words of wisdom. And then from that point on, you were the best pitcher in the league. And I took a lot of credit for it behind your back. I didn't tell you behind your back. I didn't give you enough credit for that. I think it was just one of those interviews. Yeah, you should definitely give me credit. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go back and take back a lot of what I said. Gave credit to a lot of people, but not you. I apologize. I think that's just because we're friends. That's okay. You know, I took our conversation and just kind of ran with it. What he was hoping is after I asked what change you were going to say, well, check out this text exchange. I thought that Trevor really helped me out. It didn't happen. I mean, you say execution. And I mean, again, I do a lot of stuff on a day to day basis. And I try to execute and it doesn't always work out. Name one thing you're like, I'm going to go into this and execute it. Honestly, if I'm taking my dog out, I'm like, all right, let's get to the elevator. If I see someone be friendly, but keep it moving. But Jack, when you say execute, I mean, that's because everyone goes out there and tries to execute. I mean, did you try to execute and execute or two different things? Oh, okay. I like that. You can try to do a lot of it, but actually I've never crossed over to execute. You can try to walk your dog. Well, I've never executed. Jake somehow found the only dog dumber than him. Whoa. Cut the mic. Jack liked that. Cut the mic. Cut the mic. But dude, just, I mean, we won't fully deep dive if you don't want, but I mean, execute or anything else? Execute and, you know, kind of have some fun out there. I try to put a lot of pressure on myself, try to do a little bit too much and just went out there and play ball. That's interesting because I pretty sure I texted you that to relax a little bit. He spelled it out. I remember he was a little bit, you know, he did say to relax. What I told you was have some perspective, get out of the baseball world. I said, you're 6'6", good looking guy, 23 years old. He loves to say these things. Playoff rotation. Let's go, Jack. You did say that. Yeah, that was it. Hey, hey, relax. Have fun. Next time Jake's taking noodle for a walk and you just like let him know like, hey dude, you're 5'6". You got a great dog. I hate noodles. Your doctors say you're technically obese. They say that to everyone. Yeah. Doctors are messed up. Doctors are messed up and welcome to the doctors. Hey, let's give our Cardinals fans some interesting stuff. Oh yeah. Your catcher, Yachty. Yep. How long did it take for you to shake off Yachty as a rookie pitcher? Great question. Wow. I actually, I shook him in the first game. Wow. Very first game and it was just one of those things where he called something and I, I was like, this is not going to work out. He called something, he was trying some stuff and I was like, this is not going to work out. I have to. I was scared. I mean, that's Yachty and Molina. You don't shake him off and I get that question all the time. Did it work out? I think I still threw a ball, but in my head it was what I had to do. Do you go into the dugout after that half ending? Are you avoiding him? You're scared to death. You hear, you're running the other way like, oh my God, just please don't say anything. Just let me get through this first one. We can talk about it another time. I want to, I want to ask you about Yachty too because, you know, I have been pitched in high school, but I do remember what it feels like to throw to different catchers. So you get up to the show, you're thrown to Yachty. Is it like instant rapport right away or is it like a, like a little bit of a learning curve for both of you? Because sometimes you get a catcher. You just don't like to throw to him. So the name of the catchers you don't like. Full names, full names. I can't disclose that information. No, with Yachty, it was like, Well, we're watching the game. What happened? What happened? I don't know. LSU is going to win. Yeah, they're winning. The game is in New Orleans. He just got a high set. Sorry guys. Um, no, with Yachty, it's like you want to be perfect. You know, that's, that is a living legend back there. And you want to get up there and you're like, Okay, I got to show something to this guy. I remember the first bullpen I threw to him and I was like, I just hope I can kind of put the ball. And then every pitch you throw, it feels like you hit him right in the glove. And he makes it, he makes it look really good. That's awesome. But at the same time, you're like, you get into the game and you, you want to show him something. And it's kind of a, it's a very fine line to walk of trying to be perfect and do this, but also have fun and play the game the right way. And that's something that has taken, that took myself and other guys that have come up before us. They've said the same thing. They're like, I'm just trying to be fine. You know, that's Yachty back there. I'm like, you can't really do that. Yeah. You have to be able to pitch your game no matter what it is. Yeah. That's a big thing. Like having that like confidence in a catcher, like if you don't like throwing to a catcher, like there's multiple scenarios where that happens throughout the league all the time where guys have their catcher that they can throw to. Yeah. And a lot of times people are like, Oh, that's bullshit. You shouldn't have your own catcher, but it's a real thing. You have to feel comfortable. Some guys you like throwing to some guys. You're lucky to have the audio. Yeah. And then you build that and you're just, and then you trust them. And every pitch he puts down, you're just like, yep. And then you get into a rhythm and you just keep going. So he's, but he's an easy guy to trust. What were your, I think this is funny talking about being comfortable. This is something we, we crossed paths with Trevor and we're trying to link like a random bar story, but his minor leagues, he went to hard hit in New Britain, Connecticut, Rock Cats, Rock Cats, and that's actually where we went to college. We were there briefly at the same time. CC? SU, baby. No, no, no, no. They're CCSU fans. And in LA. What, what were your minor league cities? Did, what was your favorite minor league city? Let's, let's try to put it in a good light. Um, well, my favorite, my favorite minor league city, I wasn't there very long, but Springfield, Springfield, Springfield, Missouri. That was that was a good time. College town. OK. Mississippi State or Missouri, Missouri State. Yeah, they're a good baseball school, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, baseball school, shared it with them there. And then my first stop in low way, Peoria, Illinois. That was a that was a good spot. We had a lot of fun there. So when you were in Springfield, Missouri, would you guys roll up to a bar and see the college baseball team and be like, sorry, fellas. I think, well, if that if I do check when now it happened, we'd actually we just joined in with them. OK, that's good. We had a good time with that. That's a good answer. Yeah, that's a good time with them. I don't think it was ever like, you know, I mean, there's a little bit of like, it's a little bit of a situation and yeah. OK, you're in the playoffs. Your mom got a lot of a lot of attention, a lot of love. Jeff was Jake was going to make a bad joke that we didn't get. He was like, I want your mom's reality show. I was. Yeah. Your mom had a TV show for a day and you happen to be pitching that day. There's a story by you and your mom, freshman year. You wanted to quit baseball. Your mom tells you that's fine. You can quit, but you have to go tell your little brother that it's OK to quit things when the going gets tough. Is that a real story? Real story. Damn, it wasn't just my brother. It was my brother and I used to help coach this like young travel ball team that a family friend of ours played on. When you say young, I mean, you're 14 years old. Yeah, but I coached them. So I was 13 and they were like seven or eight. All right. So they were younger. And she said she was like, that's fine. She was totally like, go ahead, you can quit, right? This went well. And I was like, all right, cool. She said, just go tell your brother and then go tell this team, by the way, that it's OK to quit when you just when things just aren't working out. And I kind of froze up and was like, damn, all right. That conversation is going to suck. Yeah, I can't really do that. You know, I'm going to go to practice tomorrow and we'll see what happens. I I don't know what I was thinking or why that. God, Gio Lido and Friede were taking all your starts. I mean, you know, it's just one of those things. But you practice were tough. You face off against Friede in the playoffs. Were those texts before and after pretty fun? Well, that we didn't really text after game five. After all that went on. But the beat down. Don't make the Cardinals hands in the corner. So how were you excited to see me get in the box against Max finally? I could not believe it that that happened. I mean, you're starting. Obviously, he didn't start the game, but he comes in and then I'm sitting there watching the games as I'm happy for you. I'm watching you pitch and then all of a sudden I'm seeing you step in the box against them. I just lost it. It was it was I was like a proud dad. It was unbelievable because that's something that we've obviously all talked about and like I've faced Rai before. But then you get the picture on picture and, you know, it's the bottom. It's the top of the first inning in a playoff game in a playoff game. And I'm sitting there trying to get my stuff on. I know Max is warming up. They walk the guy before me and they're like, hey, you're up. I'm like, oh, shoot. All right. Yeah, I get my stuff on real quick. I got some next circle and outcomes and I'm like, there's no way they're going to get him right now because if I was him, I would not have wanted to come into bases loaded to face a good friend of mine and try to keep a straight face in a playoff game. Meanwhile, I'm on the dugout. I'm in the on deck circle looking up, see my mom. She's dying of laughter. You're at a little league game. Yes, looking the stands, you see your mom. I see my mom. You look on the mound. You see your body. And I'm I'm usually stone like stone cold face and I'm laughing. Because of this situation, you could not make this up. That's great. And in 20 years, people are going to be like, pitchers used to hit. So like, this is all like when the universal DH comes in, this will never happen again. So it's a first to happen early in the career. This is amazing. Are you excited to not have to know? Are you kidding me? But honestly, are you excited to not have to know the real answer? How about we got a lot of Dodgers fans? Are you guys ready for the the DH to come your way? Really? You don't want to see Walker hit. You're going to watch better baseball, but that's the thing. You won't have to watch Madison Bumgarner take Kershaw deep anymore. Oh, no. Wow. Wow. And Trevor turned to the heel that night. I mean, he's done it three times or something. It's happened. Sorry. When was the first time you took yourself out of your hot streak at the end of the year? Because like we said, it's 16 games, 0.93 array, one, almost every game, like every start was like one or zero runs, one of the more impressive streaks going. Did you have to wait till the season was over to be like, damn, I was on fire in the middle of it. Did you ever like, holy shit, that's seven in a row? I mean, I think in the I think, well, one of the things that I've been told is to try to look is to try to evaluate everything once this season's over with. Trevor, tell you that Trevor did not tell me that. No, he did not. But I probably didn't know Chris Carpenter told me that. Oh, wow. But that was one of the things that I was told. So while I was in the middle of it, I just tried to keep everything the same and not really think about it too much. But to a certain extent, it's like, damn, this is pretty cool. How long can how long can we keep this going? You've got to take a step out and just realize what you're doing. At that point, it's like, you've got to feel it a little bit. So yeah, it was like, all right, this is this is pretty cool. And as we get down the last couple of starts of the season, you know, in Arizona and then I was like, all right. And then I didn't know if I was going to get one more against the Cubs on the last game of the season. But, you know, that happened. And I think it was after the game at Wrigley where where we went eight in game one at game one in Wrigley, where we had to win. And I kind of stepped back and right after that game, I was like, damn, this is this is pretty cool. That's awesome. That ain't bad. Oh, you have I have a layup for you. OK, if you're pitching me or Jack, not you. OK, don't talk for a while. Please, that's on me. If you're pitching and through some weird mechanism, the batter knows exactly what pitch you're going to throw. Do you think that would hurt your performance? I think it would hurt a lot if they if, you know, exactly what's coming. You know, I might as you might as well just be up there saying, all right, this is what I'm going to throw. And now sometimes you can do that and you're still going to you're still going to throw it by somebody. Yeah, I like to call those F you fastball. Yeah, those. Yeah. Where it's just like, yeah, you know, I'm going to throw it and you can't touch it. Yeah, this is my heater. I dare you to hit it. But if it's, you know, 95 percent of the time, you know, it's coming. Usually usually usually it's not a very good thing. Yeah, usually when teams know exactly what pitch is coming, it helps them out in the long run a lot. That's a hot take. No. I mean, it's just that's a hot. Because once they put curveballs into the mix and I didn't know what pitch was coming anymore. I sucked. Yeah, it's just like go home and play hockey. You ever hit 95, though? No, I got I caught 86 once. How'd that go? I got crossed up once, knocked me out. Right. It's true story. Right before the game. I didn't know you were a catcher. I mean, you look like a catcher, but I didn't know you were a catcher. I could do this whole show squat. No. Well, I mean, it basically says you're short and catcher. Catcher, second baseman. Yeah. No, no, no. It's going wild right now. You can't see it in the podcast, but they want me to play a second. Can we ask you what your reaction was to the Astros news? I think I think when everything came out, I think we have to open with Ploof. With that question. What do you got to say, Trev? What what's the question? Does anyone want to hear these guys' thoughts on the Houston situation? What's the question? Do you think they cheated? Do you think what do you think happened? Hey, though, let's let's give a round of applause to John Boyd Media for basically being essential and bringing down. The cheating scandal. I mean, it's pretty cool, pretty because they deserved it. Like it's not like a small thing. This is a this is a horseshit thing they did. And you were a big part of bringing them down. What do you think about the punishment, Trev? T-Pain? I'm not sure. I haven't had enough time to really think about it, to be honest with you. I think it's I think it's harsh. I think that Lunow and Hinch are probably not going to be involved in baseball for a very long time, at least at a meaningful capacity. So so that's that's my new take. I have a new take since Jake and I recorded earlier today. OK, when the suspension is over, if Hinch gets another job, I'm mad at MLB's punishment. If Hinch, it doesn't get a job and there's like this black ball around him. I think it's fair. Bill Belich, shout out. They've been in some controversies. You know, it's the draft picks is a big thing. I think that's the lifeblood of any organization is your homegrown talent. So for them to not have their first two picks in the next draft and the following draft is a big thing. It also sucks for two kids that aren't going to get trapped. Somebody else will pick them. They'll get picked. Yeah, less people. I mean, the kids in the 58th round, you know, it's a first and second pick. Those guys are still going to get picked. We actually crowdsourced this earlier today and I had a great answer here. It was the international slot money that was not taken away. I think probably is they should have taken some of that away as well, in my opinion, because that's where you get a lot of, dare I say, cheap talent. Yeah. To a degree. Yeah. So that's that's safe for them. I think this sets them back as an organization for a long time. So it's a harsh punishment. People might think it's not that harsh, but I think it is a pretty harsh punishment and they deservedly so. Well, see, I didn't know I didn't know that. And you just you told me this just a little bit ago that five million dollars was the max fine, the max fine that they could give. Yeah. Yeah. That's nothing to a major league team. But it is the max fine that you can get. My words, not Jack. That's that's about much as I can. What I'm a million dollars to a major league team. You know, and Jack, I mean, you're playing. I don't don't want to put you in a bad spot. I don't want you on TMZ tomorrow. But like, what are some of your genuine thoughts? Like, what what can you say? This is Jack, I can say that. I mean, we it's just one of those things where it's it's a tough situation. I mean, you know, we didn't have to we didn't have to go in there. We never had to go to Houston during this time at all. But like, it's it's just I mean, can I speak for you? That's a lot. Can I speak for you? Because I know you can't speak for you, right? Is Trevor Ploove speaking for Jack? Nobody cares. That's a lot. But it's just Trevor Ploove. It was bullshit what they were doing. OK, like there is gamesmanship. It was bullshit. There's gamesmanship and things that you can do within the game that no one's going to care about. You might get dusted up by a fastball. You might get some jarring back and forth. It's not it. That was not part. That's not what they did. Yeah, so I've been I've been part of it. I've stolen signs from second base. I've tried to do what I can. Are you serious? Yeah, of course I have. Man, I picked apart pitchers. Lock them up. I've done all that. That's gamesmanship, right? That's basically what the Red Sox were doing. It's one thing to steal signs from second. That is that is a part of the game. That's like that's like decoding. We've talked about this. It's as middle infillers are in tune to that. So if you see someone doing something like at second base, you know, I had an instance where Mike Musakis, a Valley guy, one of my good friends thought I was doing something in second base. I wasn't this particular game. Just board your feet. I will say this in camera. I barely ever did that serious. I'm being serious. Why? Why? But you're done. You tried though. Your guy, Ventura, was pitching RIP, but he used to throw really hard and didn't really know where it was going too often. And Musakis accused me of sending signs in from second base. And my next to bat, I got a few fastballs up and in. So there's a ways to police that. This is the trash can banging. And I went to Houston twice with two different teams in 2017. Didn't know anything about it, even though they were banging the shit out of the trash can. I didn't hear it. But this is blatant cheating. And I'm happy they got caught. And hopefully this will stop it in the future. So Lunal, Lunal made his statement. Right. So Lunal gets suspended and then fired. He makes a statement and he basically pinned the whole thing on Beltran and Cora and said, I had no idea what was going on. I think that's the most enraging thing of the whole situation for me because like, oh, so you're incompetent. That's your excuse. You have no idea what's going on with your organization. That's my excuse. That's what that works for me every day. I'm incompetent. If you're the GM of the Astros, what about what about Hinch? Dude, Hinch looks so bad. Everyone, he had a good reputation throughout baseball. I was like a nice guy. And now all these quotes show up. His quote was if you want to say this, put your name to it. And Mike Fierce said, OK, pretty easy. I was there done. I didn't like you anyway. And then he said it's a joke. He told Trevor Bauer like it was a personal like he must have a personal vendetta with us. He does. You're cheating. Yeah, the cheating vendetta. Damn. And I think, you know, it's I tweeted this earlier today. I think the funniest thing was you're going through this sophisticated cheating scandal. You got your place of your own cameras in. You have this setup. And then the way you deliver the signs is banging a fucking trash can. That's honestly and hanging towels. They probably could have figured out a better way to deliver the signs. Well, I don't know. You were there twice. You didn't hear a thing. I didn't. You're right. I guess I don't know. But like to me, like I tweeted this out also. Like if you're in the dugout right there and just banging the trash can the whole game, you're probably pretty pissed. That's why Mike Fierce was probably like, fuck this, I'm over it. You think that guy got tired, like five five curveballs in a row and he's just like, yeah, two days, 10 days. Pitches, yeah, throw a fastball already. I don't know what they could have done because I'm not a cheater. They put but something better than banging a trash can. Well, they pivoted. They did. And I broke this news. They pivoted to you want an earpiece in the bullpen. Yes. And the bullpen coach would put his hand up and put his hand down and that bullpen coach went to Boston with Cora after he moved there. So hold on, I got to stop. He's got allergies. I got to stop these allergies. Bullpen catcher. My information was it was the bullpen catcher with the hands up hands down. But one of them went to Boston with Cora. Probably. Yeah. And the other one got fired. They were fine. So Jack, don't say anything. You know, I've heard a lot about it. And a lot of different things come through. And there's some weird connected dot that like we all heard it leaked out. I heard that Cora really was kind of the one that implemented this as bench coach. And I heard that Hinch couldn't wait for Cora to not be his bench coach anymore. He was done after 2017, no matter what. And then we had rumors that Hinch broke the monitors and was like, oh, you can't do this. Is that true? Or no, no, no, no. Who said that that was reported somewhere. And then I heard it somewhere. But I think he did it after they lost the game. It was like, all this and you still can't win. You guys know what? Pitches are coming. So that's how it is. That's the worst stuff. That's Astros talk. Jack, while we're on the topic. Let's let's bring it. Let's bring it back to you, big pop. Who do you love? Who is your favorite MLB pitcher to watch? Pitch. Max Scherzer. Yeah. Yeah. Just because he's insane. OK. He is insane. Yeah. Legitimately looks insane out there. Do you do you do you want to bring that out? Or you just like, no, I don't have that. I met Jack twice. He does not have your way to compose. I don't think it says I think everybody's a little bit. And Max is completely different. No way. I mean, as you throw in the different colored eyes, everything, the intensity. Salivates on the mound. Yeah. He is filthy, too. It's not fun. Yeah. The stuff's OK. Every time he throws, it looks like his body's going to fall apart. And that might be the last pitch of his career. Just like, hark a jerk. Did you see, I did a breakdown on Scherzer. He got the inning wrong. So they took, they had to go ahead, run in the bottom of the eighth inning. And he ran out of the dugout to celebrate like it was a walk off. And then he was got so embarrassed because he's like, he's like a crazy guy. And he just does like an ass pat and soaks back. It just slowly goes back. It was wild. Yeah. That's great. All right. We got some Astro shirts here. Do you see these? These are our best seller, Jack. Do you want to wear that on the shirt? I thought you would. You want to wear this on your shirt? That is awesome. Sir, it's our best seller. We've sold over like 100 baby bibs of this. Yeah. Baby bibs. Baby bibs. People are monsters. This is game worn. People are monsters. I wore this during the podcast today. So we'll just toss this out. I think I promised you. Oh, nice. It's great. Great throw. Good crotch. What about this one? You like this one? Simple, very simple, straight to the point. It's a fact based sweatshirt. Straight to the point. Oh, my God. Did you parachute it on me? Oh, no. Geez. I can't do that. That got scary. Should we Q&A it? Yeah, let's Q&A it. We got ready for Q&A. You guys want to ask some questions? We got a mic. We can ask some questions. Luke, internally. Don't bring out that mic. No, it's not that mic. It's a different one. Don't bring out that mic. But we need you to share with Plut. I hate noodle. What? While we get a question from the stance, Trevor Plut steps in the batter's box. He's out. Trev's got no chance. You answered my question. Thank you. Especially now. I mean, now, yeah, I know. 2014, 2015, Trev? You're out. I might hit the hanger slide. There's no hangers. Oh, that's brawn when he thinks about it. Only brawning gets the hangers. It's unbelievable. I can't believe that guy. I can't either. It's unfriking believable. What about Moose? Do you know what player you have the most case against? What was that? Do you know what player you have the most case against? That I've punched out the most times. Most punchy. OK, so it's somebody in division, Javi Baez? No, same team. I know it. Oh, Chris Bryant. Yeah. But right after him, Rizzo comes up and he dominates. Right. Yeah, he goes nine for nine to start the season. Is that what he did? I think it was something absurd like that this year. Yeah, even on one ankle, he took me deep in that in that fricking game because I couldn't believe it. When I couldn't walk. When you're as hot as you were at the end of the season, do you go into games thinking I'm going to throw my game out, give a fuck who the batter is? Absolutely. So you don't or it's not what it turns into. I mean, that's kind of I mean, you go through and you kind of try to get that, you know, intensive hashtag about it. What is it? Don't think. Hashtag, don't think. Don't think it up there and throw. Don't worry about it. Just keep it simple. We're going to do the Santa Monica Brew Works Q&A. I think we have a roving mic. Thank you guys for coming out. Everyone scream. OK, Bill, you got it. All right, we're ready for you. What's up, team? How you doing? That works great. Trevor, Trevor, right on. So the Dodgers signed Tyler White in the middle of the year. Do you think that was just to be like, we are 100% sure the Astros are fucking stealing signs and like getting an inside scoop from the dude who only played like five games the whole season. Like he contributed nothing to the Dodgers, but they just had to know for their own like confidence in the whole going forward to it. So I did something. I looked up, starts like Maldonado had a couple games where he caught against the Astros at MinuteMade. No banging because they did sequences the whole game. So yeah, I think if White, I mean, I don't know if he wants to be a good guy and help out his new team, you would spread that info. 100% they would come to those guys and say, what's going on? How do we combat it? What are you? Oh, the room is true, Tyler. 100%. Yeah. Good question. Question to answer. Expert either way. This is for Jack. Jack, as you can see, I already have a mic. I work for a college radio station at San Diego State. I know this sounds ridiculous. Can I interview you after the podcast? Wow. Yeah, why not, man? Yeah. Appreciate it. We like no shame. We go quick. We've been on his podcast, Jack. Jay, I don't mean. I have a question for me. No questions for Jay. I don't mean to make the show about me, but can you drop the story of the jeans? OK. So I know Jeremy who just asked the question. So we go to winter meetings this year. And he's kind of my guy. Jake ripped his third pair of jeans of that year. OK, is it your story or my story? Yours, yours, yours. Tell him about your ripped jeans. Winter meetings, I was planning on wearing jeans every day. The night before, I went out to karaoke, ripped my jeans right down the middle, and I had to fly out the next morning. I tweeted out, semi as a joke, semi I needed a pair of jeans. Jay Shapp reaches out and he's like, I'll drive wherever. I'll meet you wherever. I'll give you a pair of jeans. Let me talk to you guys. So Jeremy's hustle is unreal. So that was like, yeah, Jeremy brings the smoke. So thank you. And I still have the pair of jeans. Nice start. Good faith. MLB released a statement. What did it say? All right, hold on. We got a statement coming. Brick is breaking. Breaking. All right, here's a statement. All clubs have been asked by Major League Baseball not to comment on today's, oh, shit, Jay. Oh, no. Yikes. Not to comment on today's punishment of the Houston Astros, as it's inappropriate to comment on discipline imposed on another club. That's not like a, that's not a social norm. I said nothing. The Dodgers have also been asked not to comment on any wrongdoing during the 2017 World Series. And we'll have no further comment at this. Why release this? What good does this possibly do? Just ignore the comments internally. This makes no sense. I just saw the text. So I don't know if this is like, he could have doctored this in his hand. You never know. Why would you release that? It only makes things seem 10 times worse. Yeah. What a weird thing to write. That was from MLB right there? Yeah, please don't talk about the biggest story in baseball right now. Leave us alone. I don't know, man. What's that? Talking baseball. That's a weird statement. I don't get it. You're sick. All right, we got a question. Thank you for being patient. Ready. I'm ready. What do you guys think about Aaron Judge taking down the post congratulating Altuve for the MVP? Yo, so we can't comment on that. It'll be just that we can't comment. Yeah. Jack's going to have to sit this one out. Yeah, they said you can comment on it all you want. I've got you on. What do you mean? Yo, so Judge, Judge is a big shit talker like that fans don't know about. We get told that all the time. Like, we asked some people that were clubbies and they're like, oh yeah, he rags on me every time he sees me. It's also we've heard that Judge is one of the fiercest competitors, like kind of like crazy. Altuve took money away from him. If he wins MVP, he gets more money in arbitration straight up. Yeah, so it is a little weird. Was he like sitting on the delete button just like every day waiting? Why did he congratulate him in the first place? Because Judge is a good guy. Be a good guy, my ass. Stop. Because his publicist did that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's so. Because you went through that. Am I your official publicist, Jack? I don't know. We'll talk. OK, that was a maybe. We'll call that a maybe. Ploof spoke on his behalf before. So he's got a lot going on. I think it's I think Judge probably shouldn't. Who cares? But now we're talking about it. But I do just think the visual of Judge like, oh, it's true. Deletes two years old. Two years old. And he had to he had to thought of that like a month ago. But yeah, now Tubei in the cheating system took money away from Judge. So I'm there for it. All right. I have a comment that's not about the cheating. All right. Jack, how much do you study video? And personally, what is your favorite pitch to throw? My favorite pitch to throw anything that punches a guy out or gets him or gets him to move his feet where he kind of like, you know, they get a little upset. That was nice about it. Yeah. You know, if it's close to him and they did get upset and they don't like it, those are those are always fun. You don't like like the inducing the double play ball get out of a jam. I mean, those are great. Those are the ones that save your A's and save his career. Yeah. But no, I mean, you know, everything comes after that. But I don't watch a whole lot of video on other hitters. I look at a lot of numbers and whatnot and and the little stats that we get. Yeah, I don't watch too much video of other of other guys unless I'm really looking for something and trying to and like if I really need to find something. The good pitchers, that's exactly what they're going to tell you. Like, I'm going to throw my pitch and if they hit it, they hit it, but they're probably not going to. Like, if he executes, guys are going to be out like he said before. So whenever I've asked other guys to like, what do you look for in other hitters? Like, I don't look at other hitters. I just know if I go about my business, they're out. So I love that you said that. Must be good to be really good, huh? Like, all I have to do is pitch and everyone else will be worse than me. That's your game plan. You just you just have to you just compete. Damn. Don't be a competitor. All right, again, I think I'm going to go off the cheating scandal here. I think this question is mostly for Jack here. There's a lot of rumors in baseball right now about knowing that Renato and your organization seems to be the one getting a lot of the rumors. What do you feel? What do you think it will take to get a guy like that on your franchise? I mean, it's going to take a lot. Did he say Jack or Jake? I think he said Jake. Do you want to answer for him? I didn't know if he meant I get called Jake a lot and I'm going to be honest. I I really hate getting called Jake. Oh, I get it, dude. I hate getting called Jake. But I'll give I'll give you this one. I'll give you I mean, who wouldn't be mad about getting Nolan Aronato on their team, you know, depending on what it takes and depending on what happens. I mean, I can't really have a feeling about it until it either happens or does not happen. You know, right now it hasn't happened. So it's a wonderful fantasy world to live in to think that. But I think anything's possible. I think if you really want to make something happen, you know, you kind of give it up. Kevin Garnett. Anything possible? Can't mention the wrong thing. All right, we got a next question here. Another Yankee fan. This is actually just for everybody. What got you guys into baseball? Like, what was the moment that you knew that? Okay, this is it. This is what I'm going to get into, whether playing, doing videos, anything that you guys do now. What was that moment that it's like, okay, this is what I'm going to do? Yeah, for me, I think for a lot of people, I was just born into it. Like baseball is a traditional thing, right? My dad played college baseball. He Yankees fan. And then being a Yankee fan as a little kid, like that was our family event. I didn't know what I was watching, but we all sat on the couch when they were in the playoffs and watched Yankees games. And then I moved around a lot. And that was kind of what my family did as family time. We would watch Yankees games. It's like, all right, we're a Yankees family. Like even before I really followed the game, that was our sense of family and sense of pride. And so like just kind of born into being the Yankees fan. And then my little brother was good baseball player growing up. We watched a lot of the games. Yeah, and the more, I don't know, the more you get sucked in, the more baseball keeps you around because once you get into the weeds, you're stuck. But I didn't play. These guys will have a much different answer. That's a spectator. I mean, mine actually comes from my mom. She used to take me, being from here, she used to take me to Dodger games all the time, grew up a huge Dodger fan. So yeah, you know, it's, it's nice, you know, when you lose an LDS this year and we don't get to come to LA, you know, you guys cost me a trip to come to LA. Yeah, he was coming home. Unbelievable. And you guys ruined it. It's unbelievable. But no, she was taking, she was taking me to Dodger games all the time and I'd kind of just sit there and watch it and that she, she loved the sport and she got me into it. I played everything else growing up, but that was always the one that, that was always kind of special. Are your numbers from the other sports just as ridiculous? Uh, no. Okay. I'll be in though. Okay. You can throw football around a little bit. I've never thrown a bad pass and you've never dropped the pass in my life. Travis never dropped the pass. Someone had a football in the crowd. Oh, they just whip it at you. I got it. He'll catch it. Blue, why do you like baseball? I was a, I was a younger brother. So I had an older brother. My dad obviously loved the game, taught it to my brother and I just wanted to be just like him. So, a lot of my passion for the game comes from that. Just trying to keep up with him as a younger sibling. And then, yeah, you get, you start to get a little bit of notoriety around the LA area. That was cool. You know, you know, that was, it was a lot of work to get that. And then so you kind of think, hey, high school baseball, I want to play high school baseball. Then you get to high school, basically like, I can go to college for that. And you sign a college scholarship. And then, you know, the pros is like the last thing you think about as a kid. Really. I mean, you, you dream about it, but you don't think it's going to be a reality. And then it comes, man. It was a, it was a special ride. You know, baseball is one of those games. Just like you said, you're when you're getting the weeds or stuff. I love it. I still do. And that's why, you know, I'm here now after I'm done playing, still messing around with baseball, talking baseball, you ran Jack out and stuff like that. You know, I love it. It's a, it's a, it's a family. I'm teaching my son right now. I have a four year old son. I'm teaching him about the game right now. And it's just one of those things, man. I grew up with it and I love it. And I think that there is baseball is in a really good spot. A lot of people say differently, but it's in a really good spot. We got a lot of a lot of talented guys in the game right now. They're going to propel the game into like a whole different atmosphere. So when, when you're playing in the dog days of summer, right? And the twins aren't making the playoffs. Do you hate baseball for a couple of days as a position player every day? You're like, God, damn. It becomes, it becomes a job. But you know, you, I've always had the ability to step outside and just have a little bit of perspective on it. So I always realized how fortunate I was. And there was a lot of times where I was not going to make it, man. Like I didn't put up the great numbers all the time, but I found my way. And I always had that perspective. Like I'm lucky to be here. I'm not taking it for granted. And I still have that. I still have that feeling about my career. Like I was just lucky to have what I have. Jake loves baseball so much that when he was 14 years old, he went to the New Britain Rockcats Open Tryout. So it's a bunch of college baseball players, ex-pro players desperately trying and then 14 year old, 200 pound Jake taking reps in the outfield. That's how much he likes baseball. He didn't make it. Okay. I was going to say my story is pretty similar to Trevor. I love baseball. I grew up in the Valley. I was a first round pick, but you know, sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way, man. No, my dumb story I was going to tell because that's kind of what I do. Although my tryout story is pretty good. Dude, I had pretty big glass windows on my house. I was a sports nut, but like the glass windows on my house were like, yo, if you break those, you're having a bad time. How's that tie in the baseball? Because I used to love throwing the baseball around there because I was like, if I mess up, I'm screwed. Mama's going to kill me. I am not connected to this story. I'm not following in the slightest. Bro, I'm a little bit of a daredevil. I don't know what you guys aren't getting. So the glass windows, if they broke, you would get in trouble. It was a little more pressure on me to throw a good pill. No. I had to make sure I wasn't hitting them. Why are you throwing a baseball at your house? I wasn't, bro. I was throwing it around the yard. Does anyone understand what Jake's saying? Sorry, so I'm growing up in the valley and you get a little pressure on you and then you start, people start following you. And I don't know, football called me too, but whatever. What's the next question? All right. So first off, let's go. Secondly, what's your guys take on this year's World Series? You mean the one that just happened? It's an upcoming World Series. I have no idea who's in it. What do you mean? But Yankees will win. Sure. Is that the question? It's like when they ask CC Sabathia, how many games you plan on winning this year, and he says all of them. The 2020 World Series? That's not a good question. I love you, but what is it? Jake, you like this stuff. I'm on the baseball in my backyard, right? And there's these giant windows. And if the baseball hits them, the window breaks. There's a lot of pressure. Hey, why do you love baseball with the glass window? What a dumbest answer I've ever heard. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I like the game. I like the game. Trap, who you got in the World Series? Yankees Cardinals Game 7. We'll see what happens. If I'm throwing, we're not losing. It should be in New York. If I'm throwing, we're not losing. Have you pitched in the Bronx yet? No, I have not. I'll tell you, it's not going to be in the World Series. The Astros. The Astros will not be in the World Series. I don't want to be overly mean to the Astros. Give us the day to be mean to them. Eventually you can be good again and normal. I am rooting for the Astros to be so bad that the numbers are like, whoa, they really did benefit. Like what's the Z-swing or the O-swing? What's that? Do you guys know that stat? Yes. Swinging at balls in the zone, they're amazing at it. No one knows why. I hope it's like complete opposite. I would love to see Brewer's Cardinals series, you know, to get to the World Series. And that'd be probably my most, like what I will be rooting for. Okay. That's a good route. Do you think the Astros, as a ball player, Ploof, the Astros are going to be hated every stadium they go to. They're going to be booed for a while. Every media is going to be a little brutal to them. Do you think that that is going to wear on them as a team? Yes. Just like, they're not going to escape this everywhere they go. Unfortunately, you know, there's going to be some guys that have nothing to do with this that are going to be playing for them and they're probably going to hear the same stuff. Yeah. You know, and people ask me, we got a lot of tweets that both you and I got these today. Like, well, their road stats in 2017 were better than their home stats. Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have cheated them. Well, when you're cheating like that and your stats are inflated and you go and every stadium you go to, you look at the Jumbotron, your stats are looking sweet, like you feel really confident about yourself. And they're not going to have that this year. And you know, and I've said this, there's a lot of really good players in the Astros team. They probably don't even need. They didn't need to cheat. Like, they're really good players, but they did and they've had those inflated stats. It's going to be really interesting to see, you know, what happens with that? I'm not like you. I'm rooting for these guys because... You're a player and you like rooting for players. I respect the players and they did something wrong, but I'm still rooting for them. But I just think it's going to be a little bit more different. Don't you think it would be funny if like the main cores like home stats and their swing-to-ball ratio just went right back and you'd be like, oh, guys, this doesn't look good. It'd be hilarious. I mean, and I expect them. I expected them to go down. I really do. Wow. I mean, how could you not? Yeah. I mean, I just think the mental side of it's going to suck. You're the most hated team right now. Especially the guys that were part of it. Like, you know, Al-Tube is going to get it done. Bregman's going to get it done. Kareya's going to get it done. Springer's going to get it done. They're going to get it. And like you said, every single place they go, they're going to get it. And we'll see how they handle it. All right. You have questions? My question is for our ace, Mr. Flaherty. Oh, great. What was the first conversation you had with your friend Max Friedlike after he walked you with the bases loaded in NLDS Game 5? Did you just send him one text and you said, Pussy? I did not. I think I don't, I love that kid. Hey, that third one I thought was a strut. I was with you. You got squeezed, bro. Oh, man. I kind of think I asked him what happened. Why did you walk me, man? Were you scared? And he didn't really have much to say. He kind of just was like, man, I, you know, was already, came up with some excuse and kind of sounds like Max, doesn't it? Good luck. Was that one of the weirder baseball games you ever played? Yes. Because we're, I mean, we're baseball purists and like, that got weird. It was like, people were talking about pulling you because it was like the games already over. I would have pulled you. Would you have been upset? I mean, yeah, I would have been upset. I was screaming at the two of you. It all would have depended on what game I would have pitched coming up in the NLCS, I think. I don't know what kind of rest they would have given. Game 1. No, there's no way they would have brought me back on Game 1. Hey, you didn't have to throw a pitch. It was 10-0. It was 10-0. Was there talk about that at all? Only after five. After five, they wanted me to... You were going five no matter what. After five, they wanted to take me out. And I said, no, I'm going back out. At that point, what does it matter? Yeah, both then maybe? I don't know. Like a game down the line? I just wanted to go back out. I wasn't really done pitching. I kind of, the score to me was irrelevant. I know you and you didn't want to come out of it. Yeah. But after, you want you to pitch five, just pitch your game. Yeah, I was like, I was not done. I, through the score to me was irrelevant. Carpenter took himself out. I think Carp had the most amazing game ever. Plays the top half of the first inning. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah. He was subbed out. He asked to go out. Do you know that? I don't know if he, I don't know what... No, it's on camera. It's on camera. He walked out. He said there's someone that can play better defense than me. Like, let's have that guy. Yeah. And that is the most amazing game. You go up, you hit, have a couple of bats, and then you're done. Yeah. You have a beer in the clubhouse. You come back out with your shoes on. You go have a couple beers. Amazing. Come out in about the eighth inning, ready to celebrate. You know, it happened a lot to me, but I didn't ask you to get out of the game, and they just took me out. You're done. You know who I felt bad for? Wong, I think laid down a sack butt in the first. And in retrospect, like, totally not needed. We could have got two hits. Totally didn't matter. Yeah. Could I do it to that inning? All right. Who's got another? This is a question for Jimmy and Jake. You guys, can you just be quiet, please? You guys can leave. So you are in LA. Yes. So hometown question, knowing that the Dodgers said they were going to go big in the off season this year, given their relative inactivity, what are your thoughts? And then sub question, any predictions for the 2020 season? Did they, the Dodgers said that we're going to go big? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's pretty bad. They haven't. Well, they got Jimmy Nelson. I think all the rumors are they're banking on a trade, Lindor, or someone. And I mean, that's kind of a bad strategy to go into the off season, because you can just use money to get other guys. Because Cleveland, I don't know. I'd be mad if I was a Dodgers fan a little bit. You got to add some guys. Clearly some's not right. For me, I mean, it was. Why say that? Who are the big names? It was Lindor, Aronado, and I feel like there was one more price position player. Bet, Mookie. Oh, yeah. When it was two people, I was like Brian. All right. There's going to be rumors every off season when it hit three. And you mentioned Brian too. I mean, Brian's a stud. Like the Dodgers have to do something big. They said, I didn't know they said, why would you say that we're going to do something big? Because you have to keep the fans happy. And if I'm a Dodgers fan, I'm not happy right now. And I know our friend Jack is not happy. Well, maybe this Jack's happy, not our other friend Jack. The Dodgers will win the NOS. So you got that going for you. Can we let our other friends comment or no? No, you guys can't comment. You were not asked. Not asked. Yeah. All right. So this one's for Jack also. And this isn't to put anybody in a negative space or anything like that. Oh, wow. No, no, no, it's not bad. I promise. Where are you going with this mindset of a player? We don't see it as fans, right? We just hear the crap that we see on TV and all the smack talk that people do about teams after they lose or whatever it is, right? Obviously the Cardinals with my Dodgers has plenty of times. Losing via sweep to the Nats, right? The eventual champions, right? Right. Same reason why I didn't feel that bad after game five. As long as the Nats won, not the Astros. What if ever during the series, does it ever feel like, okay, we're not coming back from this or how does the clubhouse feel? Say maybe at the end of game four, at the end of game three, maybe game two. Hey, do we have a chance? Are we going to do this? Obviously you guys want to pick each other up. But is there ever a point where you guys say like, yeah, we're not coming back from this? Well, this is what I'll say is that it was definitely hard. We win game five, Nationals win. We're going home. We're feeling pretty good. They're not throwing Scherzer, Strasburg or Corbin in game one. And Sanchez comes out and no hits us for about seven and two, I think seven and a third. And it was like, oh, damn, this is real. And then we get Scherzer game two. And even, but even when we go down to low, I was pitching game three and we're feeling like, all right, we win, we win today and we're in a good spot. And I went out and gave it a four spot. And it was kind of like, well, damn. And, but then even so, I mean, you got to have faith at that point and you got to have faith. And then once it's, once it's finally over, it was like, damn, this, this kind of, this sucks. And, you know, once it was all said and done, you kind of just, it's weird. You say your goodbyes to, to the guys. And, you know, you don't know if you'll see them again until spring training, if you're going to see them again, if you will see them next year. Yeah, you know, it's one of those things, you know, you get a couple of guys get pretty emotional. But it's, it's, it's a tough situation, especially, you know, getting swept after, you know, kind of having all that momentum and whatnot. And then just to kind of get swept in that, in that facet, they came out and they, they were unbelievable in that series. They could, they really could do no wrong and kind of carry that over into the World Series. You talked about any ball, Sanchez, he kisses the baseball a lot during the game. You ever thought about doing that? You know, maybe a little bit, if you're really looking for some good luck. Yeah. Like, hey, please, you know, you start talking to it. You think Andy Ball Sanchez kisses the baseball more at home or on the field? Answer honestly. Honestly. Honestly. Yeah. On the field. On the field. Okay. I think I would, I would hope. Where's the mic? One more, two more. Oh, so guys, it's kind of an open question. All right. These upcoming rules coming up for the MOB. Stupid. Trevor and Jack kind of wanted to ask you guys, what do you guys think specifically on the on a relief picture facing a minimum. Stupid. Yeah. Stupid rule. It's not going to come into play as much as we think. I agree. I agree. I think it's stupid. Why is it a rule? Because it doesn't need to be a rule, but it's, it's so, you know, a guy can come out and get the last out of the inning. Yes. So really the only thing it protects is from using three pitchers in a one, two, three inning. Understandable. Which like, you know, it is an entertainment and that's boring. A lot of commercials. It can be. I understand that part of it. Like the pitching changes are boring. I mean, you're as a player, as a position player, you get these position or the pitching changes and you're sitting there and you just hate it. You know who I'm excited for? No doubt. The first guy that gets called out of the bullpen, faces a batter just looks off and then they make him intentionally walk the next batter. Just like, dude, we can't allow you to pitch. You suck right now. Just, we're going to, we're going to fall. It'll happen. And then that dude just gets off. Yeah, it'll happen. I mean, yeah, that's an interesting rule. I don't know. I mean, there are guys that are going to lose their job because that rule is in place now. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, the left-handed guys, the left-handed specialists that won't be there anymore and that's kind of a shame because that's just baseball strategy, man. As a position player, what do you, what do you think about the 26 man? Because I mean, it helps a player like a utility infielder is going to benefit the most from that. It can't be a pitcher. It can't be a pitcher, which I like. Because if there was no rule against it, it'd be a pitcher. It'd be a pitcher. It'd be a pitcher. The 100% match. You know, I just think it kind of stops the train from triple A back to the big leagues. Less, but a little bit less. But most of the train is pitching. Pitchers, yeah. I don't know. I think it's great where now I don't have to pinch run at the end of games. Yeah. Because you have an extra guy. But again, it's entertainment and that was great. Of course, you know, I'm sure everybody enjoyed watching that happen. We got a couple more. So I heard a rumor that they are trying out computer, computers calling balls and strikes, and you guys have fallen victim to bad calls on both sides. So how do you like that idea? Stupid. Yeah. Freaking stupid. I don't know, man. I've been outspoken about this too. Like it is unless it is a full proof system. Well, did you see what happens? Is the current situation a full proof system? No, it's not. But you're trying to perfect something that is like it is going to be in perfect. For it to work. They have to change the definition of what a strike is. You have to define that. That'll happen. That'll happen. Yeah. So we had these meetings to talk about this. And I was like, the first thing that we had to do was talk about what is the actual strike. Because if I asked Trev, what's the top of the strike zone? I know what the rule says. I understand. The rule says the top of the strike zone is right here. It doesn't get caught. Has this ever been a strike, even when you're hunched? It depends who's behind the plate. That's the crazy thing about it is Joe West can say that's a strike. No problem. They could, but OK. If Joe West is hungry, he's calling that a strike. Bottom line, dude. Look, look, look. I have a very strong opinion about this. I do. I do. I want, I want the robot. So do most hitters. No. I mean, look, they want to define strike zone. If anything, a pitcher should want that because you can flip a 12-6 on top. You can flip a 12-6 on the bottom. Yeah, but I don't get the pitch that's just off the plate that I really want. I know. There's been many times where I've said, that's a ball, blue. And he goes, well, go ahead and look at it, Trev. And come back and tell me. I go, look at it. It's a fucking ball. Usually it is a ball. And usually it is a ball. And then they'll be like, no, wasn't our, our system said that was a strike. And I'm like, dude, no, you know, like there's video evidence of it. So I, I just want to strike a strike and a ball of all. That's it. That's all I want. Jake. And I mean, I don't care anymore, but. That's two versus one. Jake, what's your take? Oh man. I think it's crazy. It's awesome that Trevor has these strong opinions. And if you want to follow Trevor on Twitter, it's at talking Jake. At talking Jake on Twitter. No, I'm kind of cool with Robo, but it has to be right. Like think about, think about, we watched the NFL game last night and we were looking at the yellow line and that, that dude was clearly a yard short of the line. And then you saw all the angles and you're like, what's going on. And I don't want that in baseball. Trevor is also a Seahawks fan. So if you have, if you have Seahawks, if you're a Seahawks fan, follow him on Twitter at talking Jake. It wasn't a first time. And it's, it's just. But even in the NBA with all the, their replay, their replay system is horrible. They're trying to do all this stuff too. It's a mess. So if the MLB gets to a good system or maybe there's like, I want an appeal system. Like there's some pitches that get missed and you're like, come on. Like Angel Hernandez, what are you doing? Throw the red flag. That would be awesome. That would be awesome. That's drama. I think it should be a baseball with a tail of a flag and you just throw it to your catcher and he catches it and hands it to the umps that we are challenged. That's the other catcher. Fuck. No, it could be both. It works both ways. We'll workshop her. So it ends your question. What was the question? Four, four, four, not four. Strike stone is small enough already. So he doesn't want it even smaller. Hi. Hi. I'll be honest with you. I just started watching baseball this year. So with the circumstance happening, like a person that doesn't watch baseball, what does this mean for like the league? Does it mean like, it makes it kind of seem like the players are just kind of like a slap on the wrist because if they're not getting like banned as like how people would think. So what does this mean for like everyone else in the league? Like if things are going to cheat then I feel like that kind of makes it okay for them because you know they're not going to get banned. Maybe like... Yeah, if you enjoy winning a World Series more than you respect your manager in GM you should just cheat, basically. Right? Like they have rings still and they have those memories and they have no consequences. I feel... I don't know man. This is so tough. I think you know how I feel. It's tough. I think it's going to deter a lot of it. I hope it deters a lot of the cheating. You don't think some people are like, wait, what? We could hook up our own cameras? I think it'll be much more difficult. Cool. I think there's going to be a little bit more whether it's a guide. There's already people walking around making sure this isn't happening. This season that was the case, right? There's a lot of guys in the locker room in the video room making sure. But... I think that people are going to see this and they don't want... You don't want your legacy tarnished. Whatever your legacy is. If it's an average player or it's a Hall of Famer it's not... You don't want it tarnished. It's going to deter a lot of people from it. I hope so. I hope it just allows... We just want a clean game. I hope that players and people inside speak up quick. It took two years of rumblings within the walls to finally leak. So maybe this will make someone say like, oh, we're allowed to kind of rat or whatever. If we see something we don't like. So maybe that process... It is interesting that it took that long. But again, I hope this just deters everyone from it. The clean game is all anybody wants. Alright. So, Trevor and Jack and Fielded and Pitcher what kind of... When you guys do a mountain visit what kind of weird shit happens when you guys talk about it? You killing any chickens? I haven't had any weird experiences during a mountain visit because normally I'm kind of like everybody just get off the mountain and leave me alone. If there's a guy like Jack and I know Jack pretty well if there's a guy like him I just kind of leave him alone because he's just in the zone already but there's a lot of guys that need that breather. I think that's mainly what it is if I'm going to the mound and as a third baseman you kind of have that responsibility a little bit. You talk to the pitcher probably more than anybody else. It was more about just like hey buddy just take a deep breath here we're going to be okay stuff like that it's more of a reset button for a pitcher because a lot of times these guys they'll just get in the zone and sometimes that zone is a bad one for that ending or that pitch or that bat or whatever so it's called time out reset let's get some perspective and let's go and it's never anything that really means anything to be honest with you you know every once in a while you'll say hey this guy might be stealing your signs but most of the time it's just like hey you'll be alright take a deep breath let's go next hitter Alright I think we're about to wrap up come on you want to sing us you want to sing us out Coach Ballgame is here baby Coach Ballgame let's give these four guys right here and add a boy on three one two three they can do better than that I think they can do better than that Santa Monica, California let's give these four fellas and add a boy on three oh one two three what do you want me to do you want me to do anything that was pretty good that was pretty good I like that I want to thank Santa Monica Brewerks for having us thank you guys for all coming out this was awesome first time we've ever done anything like this and pretty fun thank Jack for coming up and stopping with us for a little bit we're both for putting it all together Jake you got any final words give me the mic give me the mic I love you guys Chicago thank you for coming out this is awesome thank you