 Call to order this is the eighth regular meeting of the 2010-2011 Common Council and as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards will read the quote of the evening Thank you Do not repeat anything you will not sign your name to Good advice. Thank you, Sue Roll call, please for an ear Bowers Excused Gisha here Hammond here Hanna here Heidemann excused hot here Kittleson here Montemay or here Radke here Rinflaish here Bander wheel excused Bursey here and Wonkerman here 13 present. We have a quorum now alderman Rinflaish will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance please I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Eric looking for approval of the minutes of the prior Common Council meeting Second we have a motion in a second under discussion There is no discussion all in favor say aye. Aye opposed Motion carries Resignations attorney McLean. Thank you your honor. There's one From angeles to cave itch advising that because she's been recently appointed a circuit court judge first court in county She's respectfully submitting her resignation as a member of the board of police and fire commissioners Says it was an honor to serve on this commission and she thanks you for the opportunity We have a motion to accept and file and a second under discussion If there is none all in favor say aye. Aye opposed motion carries Mayor's appointments attorney McLean Honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration James Pragots to be considered for appointment to the board of police and fire commissioners to fill the unexpired term of angeles to cave itch whose term expires 428 23rd at 2014 and David Soxie to be considered for appointment to the redevelopment authority to fill the unexpired term of Glenn Pilling whose term expires on 428 14 signed by the mayor those appointments lie over Confirmation of mayor's appointments attorney McLean Peter pitner to be considered for appointment to the sustainable shabuagan task force to fill the unexpired position of sarah Thiel Whose term expires on 425 2011 signed by the mayor? Mostly to confirm second. We have a motion to confirm and a second under discussion We have alderman Hammond. I Would just ask that we do a roll call This will be roll call. Okay, any further discussion alderman borne Thank you, mayor Ryan. Can you give me a little information on mr. Pitner? I'm not familiar with him I do not have any information on mr. Pitner myself. Does anybody else? Alderman Hammond, thank you mr. Pitner is the president of cart off excuse me of Miller engineers and scientists They do civil engineering environmental engineering Thank you probably knows a bit about sustainability Any further discussion If there is none roll call, please foreign hi bauk Bowers, hi Gisha. Hi Hammond abstain Hannah abstain Cut hi kiddleson. Hi Montemay or I ratki. Hi Rindflash. Hi Percy. Hi, and Wongamon 11 eyes to abstentions motion carries public forum This evening first on the list would be Jeff Schucho you'd like to come up to the front and Jeff can I have your home address, please? 2508 Indian Avenue Sheboygan ready, and you will have five minutes. Thank you Good evening everyone As you all know, I've had a business now Here in Sheboygan called Great Lakes avian pest control where I've been engaged and specialized in doing gullabate And I wasn't planning on coming here today for this year for that matter and this is not about money I just like you all to be aware of that I would like you taxpayers to know that my associates and I discussed the contract being awarded to these other companies Which they were this present year for bird of Aitman in Sheboygan this year We decided not to take any action even though our bid was misrepresented We instead decided to let the city and these companies take over and we would document the results Just as we've done the last five years Sadly for your taxpayers you have been charged far more than necessary in a season of population control of the gulls Here has been lost That is because the egg calling and oiling program that was implemented and money spent on produced nothing. I Can explain that later the latest article in the Sheboygan press that dated July 3rd 2010 is why I am here today This article has done irreparable damage to my business my business's reputation and me personally This article was crafted by the Public Works Department of Sheboygan and the Sheboygan press And I'm just going by the storyline that was presented here in that article on July 3rd This is further demonstrated to us a pattern of behavior That puts my company in a negative light in the public's eyes This has happened before We can and will demonstrate this if need be this behavior does not encourage business growth in our community and In fact results in higher taxes for you folks at home. You eliminate competition. You raise prices. It's real simple in regards to this article Gulls under control The storyline here would lead us to believe that city officials stood around all last summer wondering what to do and Then this year thanks to a new system. These people come in are brought in and our problems are solved It's like somebody Went perfected time travel and went back in time and changed history. My company doesn't exist I don't exist and I'm not here today Who did an abatement program there last year? Thousands of you at home. Oh, we'll know exactly what I'm talking about we turned that situation around overnight and Saw to it that all the events went on without a hitch thanks to the mayor seeing to it that something was done and I Informed the Sheboygan press to bring down a photographer reporter. Let's run an article. Let's shoot some Positive PR down there for the tourism for the year and yet throughout the entire season We didn't have a reporter or photographer show up and do a follow-up article, which by the way sells newspapers Further down into the article here We get into the egg calling program that they engaged in and they didn't find any on the beaches Well, that didn't surprise us because there haven't been goals nesting on the beaches here in the last 80 to 100 years They are in fact if they'll let you if you look over at the Stephanie Wild Center You've got a small bunch of their colon nesting colony now All over that building nesting young birds and they're in various locations, which my company's documented long ago Egg calling and oiling programs are included with our program and we we take care of that for Municipalities we don't expect them to know what to do and we also when we submit bids to a Municipality because it's taxpayer funding involved from day one We don't hold them in municipality to a contract this year The al-wives didn't come in because the al-wives didn't come in the large numbers of gulls didn't come in what you have here now is Resident birds that are that are in smaller groups That's what you're seeing on top of the buildings and causing trouble However today, I noticed there were a couple of thousand birds congregating on the beaches now They are starting to come in and they are lining up on the roof at Blue Harbor just like they did it last year the passive beta berkman system that's being used now is actually going to be replaced with newer equipment that my company's developed and We'll plan on taking over the market as a major manufacturer that's wants to market our product lines nationwide So I was kind of disappointed that I have to come here today and talk about this rather than occupying one of these empty buildings in town and Start hiring people and going into production, but articles like this Don't help local businesses like mine to grow at all quite the contrary And I just wanted the taxpayers to know that Because of the way things have gone this year April May June and right into July up until now You wouldn't have needed anything, but an occasional shock program You're five minutes or up would you like your additional one minute if I may Thank you What's happened what's transpired this year is Without the old wives coming in the large numbers of gulls are in coming in late And we've noticed this all along the lake shore. We've been documenting this this year It's the same everywhere They're coming in late so the birds are coming in late now You're going to start to have some real problems, but we estimated with DPW is involvement with Management having to run around on beaches looking for eggs, which we had no assistance with last year and it wasn't required Really you're probably looking at an overall cost of your vertebrate program now It's going to be upwards of $20,000 Compared to the 10-7 or whatever it is, but that was bid But the important thing to remember is is that the first three months of this program We really wouldn't have had to do anything much at all I could have been engaged in an egg-culling program taking care of that for the city and Judging by what's left of the season now you would probably end up with about a $5,000 bill for the year. This offer is made universally to every municipality Thank you for your time everyone Next on the list would be milk storm Mine if I adjust the mic, that'd be fine And can I have the same trouble over at st. Luke United Methodist Church these guys with their peas and ours and cues keep spitting into this Mike, okay, go ahead. My name is Milton storm. I reside at 1736 Marvin Court 1736 Marvin. Yes, and I've owned that house now for 45 years. Okay, you can go ahead Thank you Thank you for allowing me to speak greetings to Mayor Ryan Council representatives and citizens of the city of Sheboygan and of Sheboygan County And a special thank you to my favorite department the city clerk's office I'll try to be brief. Although that usually is not my style one of the issues that I would like to address is the all-worn-out issue of the mayor's position versus a city manager or a city administrator I'm always thrilled and seem to be enlightened by members of the Sheboygan County taxpayers alliance especially some members who Speak very well might suggest and to some of those members that they go to the county board Meetings and commissions and heckle Adam pain a little bit. I generally Don't do a give out or university degrees, but tonight I feel that someone here. She is very deserving. I Have in my hands a document and I would like to present that to the mayor It is a degree or an honorary degree. It's called an H HPD. That's one step H above an PhD I'm sorry a little spice up these meetings a little bit So let me read what it says on here This is the Marine Corps University of Business and Economic Development and As being presented to Mayor Robert Ryan this honorary degree and HPHC is given to Mayor Ryan a graduate of the Marine Corps University of Business and Economic Development Presented this day for his excellence in managing and administrating the fairs of the city and the County of Sheboygan. I This is presented in the year of our Lord July 19 2010 and the authorized signature is M Thunderstorm of the radar division of the US Army Signal Corps Fort Monmouth, New Jersey Congratulations Mayor Ryan. Now. I did you grass a little bit here now Why there are certain individuals who are always trying to upstage me with their letters to the editor One is from my bowling buddy Tom LaBouvie which appeared in Sunday's paper. I Could never compete with that left-handed bowler The other two are from James Geisha and Alderman Corey Bulk. Let me read parts of Tom LaBouvie's He just has entitled public salaries benefits are absurd Every employee must pay a fair share toward his or her retirement like everyone else a fair share toward their Cadillac health insurance Retirement aid should be similar to the rest of society wages insurance and retirement for teachers city and county workers should be the same as The rest of the country. I like this one. I Never saw any biblical passage or anything in the Constitution that reads that teachers police and firefighters should be granted Ridiculously early retirements and equally ridiculous benefits What is happening to all our units of a government? Unrealistic union contract is granted by politicians and have no common sense Now it is Alderman Geisha A very excellent man He had a letter. This is March 2nd of 2003 and It's letters claim that the war about oil is ridiculous just to refresh your memory There's an old Geisha family saying that applies to Paul Perez's letter to the editor war is for oil Campaign contribution to Sheboygan press February 27th, 2003. Now, I don't know who Paul Perez is. Maybe Alderman Geisha does Now the old saying is it is direct to the point and simply says wise up Excellent now as far as Corey Bulk. He wrote an editorial later about a month and a half ago, and I Questioned the person who answered him now. I don't know what Corey Bulk's family saying is But being in the military as I would I would suspect that maybe you're gonna have to ask for an additional minute Make a motion to grant that Go ahead I'll have to go into overdrive here now. I Have no idea what Corey Bulk's editorial or his family expression But since he was in the military like I would it may be shaped up or shaped out I think that's a little more punch to it than wise up. Well in the storm family. It was something Between war and peace One old German expression was the best I'm going to call and that means that you were a dumb head Another expression my identical when brother would always say I was a dummel bell ringer. I Have no clue what Batman of course my mother was the gem of all And she would always say to the two of us will you shut up or I'm gonna go get the stick Now that's better than wise up or shape up I would like to read a letter from a C is all the large manufacturing company here in Sheboygan that is no longer in existence and As Gore ripping business appalling is between Gore and Bush as a proud American who is frequently proud also to vote Republican I am appalled by excuse me milton your minute is up. I'm sorry and That's the full time six minutes. I'm sorry. Thank you Milton. Thank you for thank you for my first honorary degree here I appreciate that. Thank you All right next on the list is Colin catchell If you want to adjust the mic, that would be great. Okay. I need your home address, please 321 bluff Avenue Yep, and you will have five minutes sir All right My name is Colin catchell and I've been a technology education teacher for 10 years now and I know what kids like and respond to I've been a countless museums conferences and work with kids daily on a variety of engineering and design projects The spaceport might have good intentions as well as the people working behind it And I don't discredit their effort one bit What I do see as a second-rate museum being created at the expense of the people of Sheboygan This project will never be successful and have long-term success What person is going to take multiple visits to see old space equipment and use 20 and 30 year old simulators There's definitely a generational gap baby boomers are still living in the space age past and times are changing Also, what are our priorities? The chances of becoming an astronaut are 13 million 200,000 to one less than the NBA Kids need realistic goals and so do cities at this time in our history We enter into a depleted energy future otherwise known as peak oil The last thing we need to or be worried about is space travel if anything We need to worry about getting a passenger rail system that connects Sheboygan to other major cities in Wisconsin If we want to see Sheboygan's population and tourism grow People of Sheboygan have strong traditions and a great respect for their public parks events and successful Community strongholds such as the library and YMCA buildings for four years now There has been a wound in Sheboygan that is the closing of the armory many traditions have ended unnecessarily in a place Where everyone in Sheboygan could come together has been destroyed Ask any citizen of Sheboygan if they have positive memories of the armory and the answer is a definite Yes, was it really necessary to cancel the traditions that have been carried out for 65 years because times were good and A new conference center was built at Blue Harbor when you're an armory you feel like you're in something special Something that was built at a time when we took pride in our work when you're in Blue Harbor You feel like you're in every other conference center in the country The armory could be used for so many great things and bring revenue to the city The armory just needs fresh ideas and some old traditions a major issue is the concerts and venues that are not suited for The Wild Center could take place there trade shows of all types and styles motorcycles and car shows Dances multiple sporting events both local and national local art shows taste the Sheboygan sipping on the shores plays the Gus Mac or finals both shows including sailboats that could raise their mass inside We are a us Olympic training center now Farmers markets the coho derby firing range competitions fundraiser cultural Fest us sailing camps and workshops graduations reunions it also has Classrooms for seminars it could have weddings proms Independent films national speakers and the circus which is now at blue line a voluntary staff could book events and functions just as they do for The Wild Center It can currently seat thirty five hundred people at ten dollars a ticket That's thirty five thousand dollars for one event and revenue the city still pays twenty five thousand a year for heat alone 75,000 since closing and we still the taxpayers can't use it The firing range could also be used by the public instead of the urban middle school Do we really want blue line representing Sheboygan for events? It's not the armory and never will be times are tough and the armory can draw revenue for the city This could also be used as a charter school location a few points why the spaceport won't work Five million was donated supposedly but four million was the armory donation in the city still pays the bills The floor display still looks like an eighth grade science fair after three years of effort kids have an Xbox 360 at home And do not get excited by 20 year old simulators Most cities already have an IMAX theater the majority of people in Sheboygan under 60 are not excited about it Nothing series could be launched in the city anyway It would have to take place outside of the city and again we can't ride a train to Milwaukee So why are we worried about space travel? I encourage all of you to not vote for the extended lease of a dollar per year for additional five years Four years was plenty of time to get things in order The armory should be given back to its rightful owners the people of Sheboygan The armory should be put on a historical Register and be used for the public use and community events a public forum of ideas and action could be created And it could be run by a volunteer staff just like the Wild Center It is very important for Sheboygan to have a place to honor our veterans and military members This used to take place at the armory but not anymore It would be a shame to see the armory spent its 70th and 75th anniversaries vacant and idle Which it will if this lease is handed over for another five years There is a perfect alternative now if the classic project is so confident They would that they will be successful then they can and should purchase the triple play slash bikes building and the city can give them a Five-year tax-free incentive They could also move their efforts to Oskosh where space and experimental aircraft seem to go together more than Sheboygan and space travel I hope you take this vote serious and realize that a mistake was made four years ago But that this mistake can easily be corrected tonight. Thank you Thank you Colin next next would be Patricia a home Trisha you want to pull the mic down for you and I need your home address, please 2602 a Camelot Boulevard 2602 a And you will have five minutes. Okay. Thank you sir mayor Ryan and members of the comment council When I was a kid growing up I'd sometimes hear my parents say you can't fight City Hall and I think to myself That's a dumb comment. This is America We elect people to represent us We tell them how we feel about issues and they take action based upon the majority Opinions of those they represent It sounds simple enough. We've all taken civics class in high school But now I'm a grown-up age and experience brings wisdom, right? I've tried my naive ways in situations using the concept of representation of the majority by a few elected officials I've discovered that correspondence directed to those elected appearing before committees and public letters in the newspaper are not enough to get my voice heard So I'm making my last ditch effort in public forum before this evening It is abundantly clear that our city is in dire financial straits when it comes to the annual budget and It is the exorbitant cost of salaries wages and benefits Pay to our municipal employees that keeps us there It's time to remember who it was that elected you and whom you represent those public sector employees that reside in the city and Pay their fair share of the ever-increasing taxes in order to meet the ever-increasing demands in wages and benefits are And should be represented by you Just like the rest of your private sector residents But that's where it stops All of your efforts in office should be focused on representing the majority of citizens in Holding the line on spending To stop the rise in overburdening taxes Placed on the backs of our residents that are already facing economic stress and hardship With regard to the Sheboygan fire department ambulance issue We've now seen that Doing the right thing by all their persons is not enough in this contentious situation and Alderman who stood up and voiced the popular opinion of his constituents May now possibly be brought before the ethics board Why? Because he tried to represent the majority Based upon the opinions expressed to him as their elected representative Now what does that tell you about the way other votes will be handled in this matter? Prior to the Sheboygan fire department's involvement Ambulance service had been provided by a private sector contractor with no problems or complaints against it however, that contract was terminated by quick action of the Common Council in 2007 or 2008 So that the Sheboygan fire department could take it over Had a referendum been held at that time. I'm certain we would not now be in this difficult situation The only way you can truly represent the citizens in this city With regard to this matter is to now put this ambulance service issue up for a public Referendum in the November election to get it resolved in the best knowledgeable manner available I Urge you know I beg you to support and approve the resolution for a Referendum on the ambulance service issue when it comes before you for action. Thank you Thank you, Pat next last on our list is Jim test weed Jim, can I have your home address, please 20 7 11 North 6th Street, and you will have five minutes Honorable Dr. Mayor Bob Ryan Council People thank you very much for hearing from me. It's been a little more than four years since Myself and my committee came up here and asked the council to give us a letter of intent Allowing us to move forward with the spaceport project We've spent the last four-plus years Analyzing measuring twice measuring three times Defining what could be in there going across the country to see who has comparable entities that we could look at That we could glean knowledge from and I think we've finally been successful and we feel pretty comfortable Well what we've taken certainly more comfortable than we were two or two and a half years into this project You know initially obviously the city was going to get rid of the Armory We didn't have it given to us and shut anything down It had a shutdown date about the same time we took it over the school district The only thing really left in there was the Norse South game and they both certainly don't want to go back there with the end line on the baseball Basketball court two feet from the wall Anyway, we went out initially. We created a business plan. We created another business plan We hired a consulting firm which is considered the best nonprofit consulting firm in the world Lord cultural services of Toronto They've worked with the Louvre American Natural History Museum the Schmoyen the John Michael Kohler Art Center lots of places globally And they came and did a business plan for us. They think we've got a viable operation going forward We went and defined each little piece of it. I'll take you through sort of how we came up with the planetarium We've got we hired a gentleman from down in Chicago named Jim Schweitzer again probably the best planetarium consultant in the world He's built planetariums from Sweden to Italy from LA to New York. He actually built a the only observatory at the South Pole Insulted with NASA. He was a consultant to create that phenomenal man loves education loves planetarium understands what we were trying to do understands we are not in New York Paris or LA and Introduced us to the people that create the software that runs those three planetariums in those cities the biggest ones I went out and met with the director of the planetarium at the American Natural History Museum Spent a whole day with him as he showed me how their gorgeous huge Planetarium which is called the Rose Center Firth and Space Works We've got the exact same software, but only one projector instead of 15 But we can do that stuff and we bet we've got a couple nice grants the planetarium is a grant from WPS That we're working towards and we've got the basic parts to put it together. I went to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. They've got a phenomenal planetarium They actually sent with the planetarium director here to work with our Staff last year that we hired for their education program. They're committed to helping us We've gone around we've really I think designed a great track to build our planetarium project Which is part of the program one piece at a time and move forward then we went out and looked for exhibits We can't really take any exhibits without this lease because we don't own a building The only place that will give us anything is the Cosmosphere in Kansas. They've got a lot We've got about hundred eighty seven thousand dollars worth of exhibits insured in the building right now We know their exhibits at NASA. We've talked to the Smithsonian air and space They've got a bunch of stuff They won't let us take them until we get a lease on the building and can define a property plan for the building Which we've got written, but we can't do without a lease We've partnered with numerous other places on that. We've also worked with NASA on their education programming. We went to Houston we went to Alabama we went to Florida went to space camp down in Huntsville Talk to all of them see how they operate and spend a lot of time in the Kansas Cosmosphere Which is really a very similar operation because they're not a big population center and they don't have giant rockets going off Or they're not building or they don't have a Saturn 5 sitting in the backyard Which does tend to draw a little more than we will but The Cosmosphere does a phenomenal job puts about 40,000 kids through field trip trips every year And we've we hired them they built us curriculum for a Charter school based in science and math. We've talked to Sporgan area school district. They've already got a grant out to do it we've got a bunch of field trip things written by the Cosmosphere we've got a bunch of camps We've hired a gentleman who was an educator down at the Cosmosphere. He's on staff now And then let's go there's a lot more going on But let's go to the building the building itself a the amount that it is in our numbers one million not four but We really can't ask for money To fix the roof which leaks quite a bit We already fixed the floor because it buckled in a rain at about a year and a half ago pretty badly So classic paid to have the floor resurfaced in there and it just rained in there We had a mop up again the other day well every day it rains Actually every day doesn't rain at least somewhere Jim would you like the additional minute? I would love an additional make motion to approve And so yeah, we've I've been on the roof. I've had it you know as a donation to classic I've had people up on the roof patching the roof I've gone up there and patched the cracks in the wall which caused a lot of the leaking The reason we really have come to a point where we've we understand what we want to do took us a while This isn't something any of our committee has ever done before run a museum run an education Center But we've partnered with people that have we partner with people that do we think we got a good handle on it We've run the numbers eight ways to Sunday. We understand. We've got to grow it organically. We can't just plop down the Some big visitor Center from Florida here and expect people to come But we've got people calling our websites said it's getting a lot of hit and it's going forward And so I would just ask you to pass the lease as It's written and I promise you that you know, we will a save that building because I think if we don't save it It's not going to be there in two years I'm pretty sure that because it needs a fair amount of money and I have a feeling you guys don't have the Initiative to go in there and fix the roofs and fix the walls and put a new furnace in there And so thank you very much Thank you, Jim Okay Moving on Mayor's announcements We have one announcement this evening courtesy of Alder person vice president Kittleson I would think The national night out National night out Which is the national night out walk against crime will be Tuesday August 3rd 2010 which is Two weeks from tomorrow. I believe at 6 30 p.m. This is a 1.9 mile walk forms up at Fountain Park Takes a route around and ends up back at Fountain Park Anybody interested this is a good event. I hope to make it myself this year need to register by July 31st 2010 There is no charge unless you'd like t-shirts if you would like a t-shirt. It's eight dollars for an individual $16 for a family family consisting of dad mom and children or grandma grandpa and grandchildren This is a great event for questions call detective Weber at 4 5 9 30 8 57 at the PD or Penny Weber at 6 9 8 0 3 5 8 or visit the website the crime stoppers website WWW dot crime stoppers WS so a good event I hope to make it myself And I hope that we also have a lot of a lot of you alder persons and the general public there also that's all I have for Mayors announcements on the consent agenda. We are going to take 8 1 through 8 18 we are going to take 19 and 20 separately and we will take 8 21 through 8 24 So consent agenda 8 1 through 8 18 and 8 21 through 8 24 Alderman born did you have something I have some comments on 19 and 20 we will take separately okay President Gisha Thank You your honor I moved to accept and file all reports of officers accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all Resolutions and ordinances We have a motion and a second under discussion Alderman Hannah Thank You mr. Mayor dr. Mayor Let's let's stick with the mr. I'll be I have a question on 8 14 Perhaps the Fire chief to come on 8 14 on the fill of the boot campaign chief Herman Hi chief. I always participate in I just need clarification are the firemen and women That are working in the event. Are they on duty or off duty? The majority of them are off-duty Does the utilization of fire department equipment? During the campaign put us in any kind of jeopardy. We utilize reserve apparatus Thank You Thank You chief under further discussion Alderman or inflation Thank You your honor on any any other discussion. I should say yeah that one on 8 22 It is the Concrete sidewalk construction project Just want to clarification that this is just for the sidewalk repair project and not for the new Sidewalks that there's been some concern about if we need them in certain areas or not on the sidewalk construction project Deputy director Bevel would you like to answer that question or does that Ryan Ryan's asthma city engineer? Yes, this is our typical sidewalk program throughout the neighborhoods Okay, so this is what I'm going to do with the new construction in like the business park areas No, that's not at all that that falls under the non-mortarized program Thank You engineers has my end Alderman Rindflash any further discussion Alderman Bowers Ryan Could you tell me about the sidewalk program that is currently paid for by the property owners themselves right yes It is yes It is the city the city pays for it up front and then we then we turn around we assess the property owner What what does the city pay for this the city pays for the contract initially up front and then we turn around we assess The property owner then okay sidewalk so we do approximately how many in a year 50 Homes you mean yeah, this year is probably more than half probably 75 80 homes in this okay, so that It doesn't cost the city any money to do this It's a property owner except for the root grinding if the sidewalk is he'd up due to trees the city reimburses a homeowner 40% For that okay Thank you Alderman Bowers any further discussion Alderman born. Did you have anything else nothing my question any further discussion? Thank you, right? There is no further discussion roll call on 8 1 through 8 18 and 8 21 through 8 24 Bowers hi Gisha hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi cut. Hi Kittleson. Hi, Montemay or hi, Ratky Hi, Rindflash. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wongamun. Hi and born I 13 eyes Motion carries now. We will take under the consent agenda 819 and 820 president Gisha Thank You your honor I move that the resolution the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Thank you under discussion Alderman born Thank You mayor Ryan This issue went to both of the committees I serve on finance and public works and I voted against it in both in both committees However, I am going to support it tonight because I've heard from several constituents That want me to support it However, I still have a concern and my concern in the in the new lease that I expressed both that finance and at public works Is that? And I appreciate all of the work that mr. Testweed has done In his organization, I also appreciate the work that Alderman Hannah has done on this behind-the-scenes, but my concern on this lease is The renewal of the lease after the initial five-year lease By the time we come around to this second five-year lease at a dollar a year This organization is going to be nine or ten years old And I guess my concern was in committee is that an organization that is going to be Almost ten years old at that time The council should be taking a look at at the end of this first lease at the financial Viability of this organization take a look at their financial statements And if they're still in precarious financial in a precarious financial situation Then perhaps go along with another lease at five years at a dollar a year, but I'm hoping because I like the program and I'm hope it's very successful I hope at the end of this five-year lease that they're making a lot of money and their balance sheet looks good And then if that's the case, I think the council should take a look at charging them some rent That kind of would go with what the what the going rate is for space at that time So as I said, I'm I am going to support it tonight even though I didn't support it in committee, but That one section of the lease still bothers me on the renewal. Thank you Thank you Alderman born any further discussion President Kisha Thank you, your honor. I want to thank city attorney McClain for spending In the ordnance amount of time working on this lease. It's been like an eight or so month process The the city that has been a little misconception It is a five-year with a five-year renewal But as mr. Test we'd stated unless they get we get they get a long-term commitment On a lease right now, by the way, this isn't a new lease They don't have a lease with us unless they get a long-term commitment of five over five years You're not going to get the displays from the Smithsonian. You're not going to get the stuff from NASA You'll get some of the smaller operational stuff that was mentioned like they have now But if you really want to make this succeed to get that excitement that then generates funds They do need a longer term lease and hence the reason for the five and five They will be paying the city does have an expense for the first three years of 25,000 It goes away after three years things like when the roof leaks. We're not worried about it Things like when there's toilet paper not in the stalls. That's all their thing. We had About $40,000 plus annually just before they came in to to just try to preserve the building a little bit and And frankly that was a I was running uphill So it is a financially a good deal for the city and hopefully from a generational standpoint. This could be an amazing future Prospect and yet another reason to come to our great city. Thank you. Thank you President Kisha further under further discussion Alderman Bulk Thank You Mayor Ryan. Yeah, I want to echo what President Kisha said I worked with this group for a couple of years when they were in their early development just doing some discovery work and some marketing work with fundraisers and The reason that it's taken them so long and that funds have kind of slowed down is because of the the macro economy There were a lot of companies willing to Contribute to this Until a couple of years ago in the economy tank. So I can't tell you how much research how much thorough Mr. Testa we talked about who they have hired they really have hired truly world-class talent Not just for what they would put inside the museum for the viability of the museum at all and this is something that When it works it will inspire kids to study. I think Mr.. Testa we'd undersold one of the reasons a place like this is so important China and India put together about 360,000 new engineers last year 360,000 new engineers graduating America graduated about 54 And what this place is designed to do is to get kids thinking about space and inspired by The magnificence that is space and as our speaker said this evening about how they have some ungodly the odds are against them at becoming astronauts That's not what this place is about This place those astronauts need people need engineers. They need people who put their safety gear together They need people designing the space age polymers of the future that are going to get us to Mars and back And the astronauts are the rock stars. They're the Brett Fars They're the quarterback of the whole enterprise But the purpose of this museum is to inspire children to get to something higher than what they might feel They are capable of without inspiration like this And so again my vote will be yes tonight because I think it is a glimmer of hope for the future of Sheboygan Something else that can attract families to our South pier and Sheboygan River kind of area reason to bring families bring schools the numbers for the past three years They brought I think a thousand kids last year 1500 in the month of May kids from all over kids from disadvantaged backgrounds kids from downtown Milwaukee coming up here being told Wow science is fun. I can make things go boom. I can make things fly across the room Nobody's ever expressed that kind of confidence in me before but here they told me I could be a scientist someday So again, it's a very low risk bet for the city and that's why I'm supporting it. Thank you, Mr. Thank You're Alderman Balk next we have Alderman Hanna Unfortunately, I can't vote on the issue because I serve on the glass of board But I wanted to really reiterate What Alderman Balk was stating that the purpose of the program is to engage young people in science and mathematics And that's where we are woefully below behind our international competition And this is just one tool to do it And it's a success and that we've brought so many children here for rockets for kids this Compliments that it compliments our lakefront. It's going to be an attraction as we grow as a tourist attraction Thank You're Alderman Hanna Alderman Bowers Thank you Yes, this is just another piece of this puzzle to add Sheboygan as a destination place We have the Blue Harbor. We have the Wild Center. We have the Kohler Art Center We have the golf courses. We're probably the leading Center for golfing and we have The Harbor and this would just be another thing where people will come and want to come to Sheboygan So I urge you vote for it Very well said Alderman Bowers Any further discussion? I just going back to what Alderman Balk said about the astronauts being the rock stars of the Of the space program I had the opportunity in Rockets for schools this year to have lunch With mr. Testweed and they an astronaut who had been In space travel on five different occasions and truthfully they are rock stars rock stars I was in awe of this man and his wealth of knowledge. So I just wanted to throw that in there any further discussion President Kisha Mayor Ryan would it be appropriate to take both items 819 and 820 together They seem to be a duplicate Can I add that to my motion and then the file item 820 report of committee from Public Works. Thank you Have a second Okay, so we have a motion to Pass 819 and file 820 correct Any further discussion? If there is none roll call, please Bowers. Hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hanna abstain Cut hi Kittleson. Hi Montemay or hi Radke. Hi Rindflash. Hi Versi. Hi Wongamon. Hi Warren I and Bulk. Hi 12 eyes one extension Motion carries communications and petitions 825 and 826 to be referred Reports of officers 827 through 829 to be referred Resolutions introduced three eight dash 30 By Alderman Gisha approving the terms and conditions of a business development loan agreement between the redevelopment authority of the city of Sheboygan and Magna Tech, Wisconsin incorporated president Kisha. Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a suspension need a suspension. I apologize and I'd be happy to explain I'm calling on a suspension of the first suspension of the rules, please Second second motion a second on suspending the rules under discussion just as an explanation for need of suspension this particular business is current location is moving them out because Good reason they're expanding and they don't have the space for this secondary operation any longer So the need for suspension is so they can move into a new facility Thank You president Kisha. Is there anybody opposed to suspending the rules? If there is nobody the rules are suspended president Kisha Thank You your honor. I now move that the resolution be put upon its passage second We have a motion and a second to pass the resolution under discussion discussion Vice president Kittleson, thank you. Thank you mayor. I just want to wonder do we need to have Any type of life form along with this or is that no, you don't need that. This is RDA president Kisha Thank you. This is money from a revolving loan fund, which is Monies that are community development block grad basically federal funds. They're not general funds Any further discussion There is none roll call, please yes I I Kittleson I Montemay war I ratty. I rent place. I Versi I one woman. I Warren I bow I And Bowers I 13 eyes motion carries 8-31 by Alderperson Montemay or accepting a grant of seventy thousand seventy five dollars and entering into agreement with the state of Wisconsin Department of Administration comprehensive planning grant program For the development of an update to the city of Sheboygan's comprehensive plan Alderperson Montemay or thank you Mr. Mayor, I would like to ask for suspension first and I will explain why we have a motion in a second to suspend the rules Please thank you. This is a grant that Chad Pelle check filed application for in November of 09 He received the okay. Yes, you can have the grant He received that letter back the first week of this July and it has to be back to Madison August 1st, so we need the suspension and I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Okay, we have a motion in a second to suspend the rules as anybody opposed to suspending the rules There is nobody the rules are suspended. We have a motion to put the resolution upon its passage Do we have a second? You have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion If there is none roll call, please Motion carries 8-32 lies over 8-33 through 8-37 Report of committee 6 8-38 by the special committee on risk management President Gisha Thank you. I'd like to ask that 837 Also be referred to public protection and safety committee the whole okay. We have 8-37 will be referred to finance PPS and committee of the whole correct. Okay. Thank you president Gisha 8-38 report of committee 6 by special committee on risk management recommending filing two documents regarding blue harbor resort Sheboygan LLC for excessive assessment that case number 0 9 dash CV dash 800 be settled on the basis that the assessments for tax years 2008 2009 and 2010 be established at the fair market values Determined by the review appraisals of mr. Andy bussen on behalf of the city The special committee on risk management all the person cough I believe we're going to We need to accept and adopt Accept and adopt the report of committee. Do we have a second? Under discussion Alderman born Thank you, mayor Ryan after this after this appraisal by mr. Bussen and then the amounts for the different years here Is this going to be is this going to require any refunds on the part of the city with these new reassessments? What's what's going to happen Steve? Yes, it will Alderman born and I've This proposed settlement addresses three years worth of property tax assessments for the blue harbor resort 0 8 0 9 and 2010 Blue Harbor did file or went to the board of review each of those years Contesting their assessments what I have in the columns there the first column is the city assessors valuation You see for 2008 the city's valuation on the blue harbor resort was 36 million one hundred and five thousand two hundred dollars Blue Harbor in their objection at the board of review Was arguing that the property had a fair market value of nineteen million five hundred thousand dollars and Then I'll talk about the 2009 2010 before I talk about the abuse and review appraisals 2009 the assessor had reduced the assessment to 30 million four hundred thousand plus Blue Harbor Claimed or objected at the board of view Saying that the in their opinion the value was fifteen million dollars So roughly half of what the city had to assess that and for 2010 the assessor Also had reduced the assessment to twenty five million four hundred and thirty thousand dollars Blue Harbor resort was arguing the board of review that the Assessed value was roughly six to nine million dollars This They each year the board of review sustained the assessor's assessment and then the process is that the Property owner pays their taxes when the payments are due and then has the right to file a lawsuit challenging The assessments as being assessive under the statutes. That's what they did for 2008 and 2009 and They will be They're arguing also for 2010 the same value as 2000 or lesser value for 2010 We hired outside council Stafford Rosenbaum out of Madison and They as part of their Process recommended to the city that we hire is Andy Bueson as a review appraiser on behalf of the city mr. Bueson did not do a a an appraisal of the property itself what he did was reviewed the city's assessment and reviewed the taxpayers Written appraisal that they had Based on the review appraisal values you can see the numbers there for 2008 mr. Bueson's review appraisals 25 million nine hundred and thirty thousand dollars for two thousand nine it was twenty two thousand two hundred and seventy dollars seventy thousand dollars and the The case was proceeding on I think it was scheduled for trial in August There was discussions settlement and The proposal from Our outside council that was agreed to by blue harbors Team and their council was to accept the Bueson review appraisal values not fight it any further It's basically a compromise between what the city's assessment was and what the Blue harbors appraisal was In the far right-hand corner, I don't have the specific dollar amounts that that will be affected But you note that the I had roughed out that approximately 210,000 276 dollars would be refunded to the great wolf company As a result of the proposed settlement for 2008 in 2009 that Refund would be approximately fifty two thousand six hundred and sixty dollars and at least the way I roughed it out there would be no refund in 2010 and rationale for that is that as the assessment goes down it gets Greed upon amount below what Great Wolf guaranteed in their contract with the city and redevelopment authority back a number of years ago at That to pay one million two hundred and thirty thousand dollars in total property tax on the hotel and condominiums What complicates things a little bit for 2009 is that the Blue Harbor condominium people have They filed a claim on the values of condominiums and That went to the border review the border review sustained the assessor they filed a claim and They've got they're still they paid their taxes first of the year And they've got some time yet before they can still file suit on the valuations on the Blue Harbor condominium valuations Why that throws a wrinkle in is because Great Wolf's guarantee is Not just of their resort value, but also the condominium value so It's a little unclear at this point what the Impact that might have if any with respect to any changes to the Blue Harbor condominium Property valuations risk management committee met and Recommended approving the settlement and I guess Either I or anybody from the risk management committee would be happy to address any questions might have Thank You Steve under discussion Alderman Bowers Thank you First of all, I don't want to offer any criticism of this management City attorney for anybody, but there are some questions which when I was out in this management and I saw this came before us were they were Trying to violate their agreement if I remember correctly Blue Harbor agreed on a thirty six million dollar Assessment for a certain number of years is that correct? No, no, no what they agreed to do was on the the tax end They guaranteed to make a payment of a million two hundred and thirty thousand dollars per year In tax payment currently if the property was assessed at the thirty six million dollars They paid tax in excess of a million two hundred and thirty thousand dollars for 2008 all right, so they were paying excess all these years they've been there Well, they're paying excess above their guarantee up the other guarantees the floor, but they're paying what the property has been valued at Okay, so now the lawsuit has been dropped. No hasn't been finalized yet the Proposal was to settle it at these amounts and It takes counsel to agree to settlement you're a party to the lawsuit So we don't know if the other will accept us a month or not They don't have to go through the same Process that we do but they've indicated that those numbers the abuse and review value numbers are acceptable to them Yes So now we still have outstanding are the condominiums, which how many condominiums are there? 64 and all 64 are In lawsuit I think 59 of the sixty four They haven't filed a lawsuit yet. They filed a claim and That was denied. They paid their taxes and they have I think until around the end of July early August in which to Okay, so In years down a roll we might be faced with the same situation Well, you got a look at it from what's the property worth and the You got different opinions of value, right and the one Concern you have here is city Paid for and hired mr. Bousin to do the review of raisin So he's saying the property our our guy our expert is saying the properties worth those numbers in the middle column there We could say no, we're not going to settle for those numbers and go to court and argue that those Numbers aren't good, but You know, he's our expert Okay, thank you Thank you mental alderman bowers alderman born Thank you, ma'am Couple questions Steve Where does the blue harbor come up with their with their value? What are they based it on that their business isn't doing well or just realist commercial that type of commercial real estate is Not doing well, that's my first question. I'll let you I'll let you answer that one then I have a follow-up Primarily the income approach the the city's assessments were based on the cost approach meaning what? There's three Methods of valuation. There's there's a arms length sale, which is the best indicator of value What the willing buyer will pay a willing seller to buy the property? There's a cost approach, which is how much does it cost how much did it cost to build the facility and at least The first year or two that's a pretty good indicator of value as to what they've got into it But the cost approach as you go farther out Becomes less and less viable because you're looking at costs from a number of years ago The third approach is the income approach and that's what the Blue Harbor appraisal used and that's Mr. Bousin reviewed those income numbers and compared them to sort of national type trends and so forth and came up with what he felt was reasonable, so I think it You know not I don't fault the assessor at all the assessor really didn't have income numbers From Blue Harbor because they don't break out their properties their corporate properties by individual property publicly Born thank you again mayor and then my two follow-up questions is are If we approve this tonight, it looks like that's two hundred and sixty three thousand dollars When does this do if we approve this tonight? And then my second part of that question would be what effect is that going to have on the 2010 budget is that general fund money? What's that going to do to our budget? if you could this properties in tip six These are Tiff dollars the tip tip six is a At least up to this point doing pretty well So there would be funds available to refund prior years As far as timing of that the our outside council would with the The Blue Harbor a great wolf attorney be drafting some documents calculating more specifically what the potential refunds would be and the matter would be Disposed of on that basis Thank you, thank you Alderman born. Thank you Steve next we have Alderman bow. Thank you, mr. Mayor, I've heard from a couple of constituents on this and I don't know if it's a perfect analogy I don't know if it's a great analogy, but it's an interesting thinking point The assessment on the Blue Harbor went down 38 percent over those couple years if you take the 22 to and 23 and subtract from 36 one So their value has gone down 38 percent and they are getting tax relief on that because they petitioned the court and they've taken us And we're going to settle what the constituents both called about was We have in the in the personal real estate market. We have the best of all possible worlds We have what will a willing buyer give to a willing seller for personal property? There are lots of people that bought houses five years ago and six years ago in Sheboygan that are now trying to sell them at rates They're far far far below what they paid and yet we are not offering those taxpayers any tax relief And so it is an interesting point that our taxpayers are Are being overtaxed not only because they're overtaxed in general I think but their properties aren't worth nearly What the assessment value is anymore? And so I just thought it was an interesting point that this business has been able to lobby and Get us into a settlement situation But there are what 15 16,000 families out in Sheboygan whose properties aren't worth nearly what they were five or six years ago And they're getting no tax relief So as we go into budget season again We just need to have even more zeal for finding ways to cut our budgets and give taxpayers tax relief Because they're coughing up money. They can't afford the lawyers like the harbor can thank you Alderman bowk And it's it's actually a kind of ironic that you brought up that 38 percent number because overall the hospitality industry Last year was down about 38 percent Over over prior years, so that's you know if you use the combination of the income approach And the and the cost approach You're getting pretty close there, I believe Steve yes, I just want to make two comments on your comments over and above Number one is that every taxpayer in the city has the same opportunity to go to the board of review citizen's board of review to object to your assessment on an annual basis and abide by the board's determination or not Same process applies to every single property owner in the city. They they don't like the assessment They go to the board of review if they don't like the board of reviews determination They file a claim they pay their tax and they go to court We're not doing anything out of the ordinary with the Blue Harbor resort So there they didn't lobby the city if you will they followed the statutory process and I guess my second comment is Part of the problem with the hotel property is you don't have Comparable sales that's that's a big part of the assessment problem is what is the Blue Harbor property worth you can You know an assessor can tell a little easier if your Neighbors house sold last year for a hundred thousand dollars You got similar Dutch colonial type of house you have a good a pretty good idea that you know There may be differences, but at least you've got a basis for comparison With the property like the Blue Harbor. It's really a very unique animal and you're looking at Comparables nationwide Waterpark indoor water park conference center properties. It's There's no exact science to it. It's really tough so You know it's hard to come up with a value The assessor uses the best information they've got I think we hired a Good review appraiser and he came up with the value that he believes is reasonable and You know if you don't want to accept that that's fine We can go to court, but I don't know that that's in the long term best interests of the city tax Bear no and mr. Mayor just follow up I wasn't insurmating that anything untoward it happened I just feel for our taxpayers who own houses and you've helped educate them that if they're listening they can make that appeal and See how it goes against what's perceived as going against City Hall, so we'll see how it goes. Thank you Thank you Steve and alderman bow alderman bowers Yes, just just one short question you point out the deficiency in our and our property tax system But I would like to one ask the question were ever the on the income approach wherever those figures presented to our assessor When were they not were they ever? While they were in the appraisal report Okay, they came from The review value no from Blue Harbor hired a nationally recognized hotel Appraisal company if you will and the income approach was used in there. Yes, okay Does anyone know what that income approach came out to? Well, I've got that in the second column there 19 million five hundred thousand dollars for 2008 15 million for 19 oh, I see okay blue Harbor. I see it says blue Harbor value. So that was the one based on based on their appraisal Yes, okay Our city assessor did not have any of the individual incomes for blue Harbor Before this process Yeah, and I will say that that does disadvantage the assessor somewhat The property owner can go to the board of review Based on the information they've got the assessor might not have all that same information That can come out later on trial that may not have been available when he did his assessment, but that's the process Any further discussion? There is no roll call, please Cut Kittleson I Montemay or I Radke I Rindflash versey. Hi wangaman. Hi Warren hi bulk. Hi Bowers. Hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, and Hannah. Hi 13 eyes motion carries report of committee 7 8-39 by the government structure committee submitting their recommendations to the Common Council as to the Economic and administrative feasibility of having a city manager or city Administrator versus a full-time mayor and a contracted outside legal counsel counsel versus an elected city attorney Alderman Rindflash. I think mr. Merrick. I asked that this report be referred to committee the whole Second Motion to second to refer to committee of the whole any further discussion There is none All favor say aye. All right most referred to the committee of the whole Reports of committees 8 8-40 by finance recommending approval of the initial resolution regarding industrial development revenue bond Financing to benefit just kids dental Se president Gisha. Thank you your honor I move that the result the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Motion to second under discussion your honor if I may this is This is a way for Government to be used at least the bonding authority not necessarily of government of the citizens of the city of Sheboygan to help create jobs in the city Anybody wants to ask questions regarding about how industrial revenue bond works the bottom line is this is going to create jobs of a new business in town a fairly substantial facility above average wages and That's a great thing and we could use 30 more of these. Thank you president Kisha any further discussion If there is none roll call, please Kittleson I Montemay or I rat key. Hi Rindflash. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wongaman. Hi, Warren. Hi, Bulk. Hi, Bowers Gisha. Hi, Hammond abstain Hannah Hi And cut I 12 eyes one abstention Motion carries 8-41 by finance recommending authorizing the purchasing agent to enter into a contract for the provision of CMS billing and collection services for the fire department president Kisha. Thank you, your honor I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted at the resolution be put upon its passage Second we have a motion in a second under discussion Alderman Bowers Thank you If this resolution is passed with the anything in the resolution in case the fire department no longer is Doing the ambulance business will there be an out in this contract or is it for a specific amount of time without any Way out President Kisha the contract like our previous contract does have an out with given us specified period of time I believe it's 60 days maybe 90 But the answer to Alderman Bowers question is no The answer is no Yes, let me clarify Alderman Bowers asked me if there was anything in this contract It was precluded from being cancelled if in fact the city got of the ambulance business the answer is no The answer is that there is an out there is an out. Yes Under further discussion Alderman born. No Alderman Bowers. You good. No he answered great Okay, if there is no further discussion Roll call, please Montemay or I radkey. I win flash. Hi, Versi. Hi, one come in. Hi, Boren. Hi, Bulk Hi Bowers. Hi, Gisha. Hi, Hammond. Hi, Hannah Cut and Kittleson. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries 8-42 by salaries and grievances recommending determining that all represented and Non-ripe presented employees hired and all elected officials elected after the effective date of this Resolution shall be required to contribute the full amount of the employee required Contributions under the Wisconsin retirement system except were expressly provided otherwise under applicable law collective bargaining agreement or a subsequent Subsequent council resolution or ordinance in passing the attached substitute Resolution Alderman Hannah Thank You. Mr. Mayor First I move that the reporter committee Be accepted and adopted and the substitute resolution Be accepted and placed on file Motion in a second to accept and adopt and pass the substitute resolution under discussion Vice President Kittleson. Thank you, I guess I just want to two things I have to say I think this is a good thing to talk about and ultimately consider doing However, this is something that should be put on the table at bargaining time And I think all city employees need to be part of the solution Not just a few and number two I believe we are taking away incentives needed that to attract and retain Qualified professional people in the positions that the city needs these types of people the most That being said, I will not be supporting this resolution. Thank you. Thank you Vice President Kittleson. Next we have Alderman Hannah With all due respect to Vice President Kittleson In these economic times, I do not think the city is having difficulty attracting talented people And I think that we need to take a first step This is just one of many that we need To solve our city and eventually the state and the federal government is all going to get on board With solving these issues without addressing these issues. We're not going to be able to address that elephant It's in the living room. Thank you Alderman Hannah Alderman Bulk. Thank you, Mr. Mayor I also I echo what Alderman Hannah chairman Hannah has to say The US Bureau of Labor Statistics 2009 compensation survey again, not my numbers. They're Washington's numbers. They're smart folks in Washington wages only State and regional state and municipal employee wages wages only are 34 percent above Equivalent work in the private sector and when you put benefits on top of that again for same jobs for similar jobs Wages and benefits are 44 percent higher than similar work in the private sector and again This same Bureau's figures have been used in negotiations in the 70s and 80s to drive up the wages So I'm not interested in hearing from anybody who says the US Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers cannot be used to have a frank Honest discussion about the directions and numbers need to go. It's just intellectually dishonest and We've talked about how it's hard to have a frank conversation about wages and benefits in the city because the city employees Start to feel like we're just being disrespectful of them and their work ethic and that's not the case at all But but taxpayers do have a level of resentment toward them now because of that disparity and and that's not fair that's beneath the dignity of our of our employees and by Acting on this in this taking time over years to do what it needs to do through the negotiation process We can restore some of that dignity back to our employees They contribute nothing to their retirement package yet even someone who retires at about $60,000 a year That's their compensation before they retire what they earn in retirement Which is somewhere around the 20s the early the young the low 20s You put that out. They retire at 52 55. They live 25 years. That's $900,000 that's nine-tenths of a million dollars They will take and use and enjoy after having contributed nothing and that isn't fair to taxpayers If you make what for example a fire chief makes in their top three earning years What they will get in the retirement benefits is closer one and a half or 1.6 million dollars a year again after having contributed nothing so There's no fairness in that no dignity for the for the employees and they're further insulated from the effects of what's going on in the real Economy because it's a defined benefit program. It's not what almost everyone in the civilian sector or in the commercial sector has now which is You know you get what your 401k is worth at the time not what we're going to promise. We're going to give you defined contribution so I Must respectfully disagree with with the vice president And saying that this is long overdue. I would have a question for chairman Hannah given the language in there Chairman Hannah it basically says we're going to do this unless other agreements or collective bargaining agreements prevent us from doing this So where are the teeth if you could explain the teeth in this? Yeah, sure Thank you You're exactly right Corey the Collective bargaining agreements supersede this so we still have to go to the bargaining table to negotiate this But this just kind of sets the tone Thank you all the man Hannah next we have Alderman versey the answer to both. Thanks All the person month of mayor Thank You mr. Mayor. I do agree with our vice president Alderman kiddleson our HR manager said to be Most effective across the board the participation of everybody Would be to address this strongly at the next contract negotiations and I take And I do understand I don't I believe our HR manager probably knows best about this rather than us Thank you all the person that's mayor president Kisha Thank You your honor as I generally agree with Alderperson balk He set me back when he said we have smart people in Washington And I had to rise to that I Think that's more of a debatable point than an actual statement of fact, but I would also like to thank Tom Rice for his advice he is against this and Alderperson kiddleson eloquently at the committee level expressed her displeasure with this we did add a couple of Amendments on it just to clear up some some misconceptions on it But mostly I'd like to add note that Yeah, it's got to be taken up in the bargaining process, but just so everybody understands it was taken up in the bargaining process All the person kiddleson was there shoulder-to-shoulder with me for 150 some odd hours and It was it was not Sorry, that's the announcement. Hopefully of my new granddaughter. That's what's humming The It was summarily dismissed It was not a topic of consideration during on the other side of the table during bargaining And I just don't want people to think that it was not aggressively pursued by Tom And by the bargaining team in fact it certainly was and if I could have Alderman balk Maybe just elaborate a bit more on the what you mean specifically by raised the dignity of the employee I'm kind of curious about that Thank You mr. Mayor what I mean by that and I've gotten a lot of feedback from that what I mean is our Our employees are good enough to contribute to their own retirement They are capable enough and and again I'll use the the story that I used at the committee the whole meeting I think with About chase long Miller who happens to be the president of the firefighters Union what this chase would never do this But what this system does is in effect? Goes and bangs on the door of every kindergarten class in Sheboygan and says hey I hope you do really well in school I need you to work twice as hard because right around the time that you're having babies and buying your first house You're gonna be paying for my retirement, and I'm not going to contribute to that retirement So work hard kiddo That's what this system says it says you will not contribute to your retirement and which by the way isn't required by the Statutes we have over two decades Negotiated away the employees contribution, which is what President and President Gisha and Chairman Hanna's Resolution here kind of undoes and says we're gonna go back to what the state says we got to do and that's pay half and I think that by our employees paying half and Us paying half that's more similar to what you would see in the outside in the outside world And I think it's fair and it gives them their dignity because what robs the dignity is when there's that disparity And they get treated differently by taxpayers who look at them and say frankly you're not worth what I'm paying you and they get treated differently, and that's unfortunate Thank You Alderman buck President Kishi you had a Excuse just for a moment to see the status of my new first grandchild. Certainly. Let's just take a let's take a 30 A one minute in-chair recess here And we will expect an announcement Okay, moving on now we have under the same subject which was 8-42 rather lengthy discussion. We have Alderman Bowers Thank you This resolution has been long overdue, but if I understand this correctly the employee has Three choices. He can pay the full amount He can elect out of it or he can pay any amount he wants into it No President Kishi would you like to explain that? Thank you by statute The city has a city portion by state statute But he can't pay both the city and the personal more employee the employee cannot by state statute So what this is saying is new employees will pay these the employee part That the city is now picking up and they will have no choice But to play pay 100% of the employee portion of the contribution Strictly the employee portion any further discussion Vice President Kittleson, thank you mayor and again Go ahead. I just I want to reiterate that I think this is a good thing to talk about and consider doing however I still say it needs to be brought out at the bargaining table and it needs to be all city employees need to Be part of the solution not just a few and I'd like that plan put into place in that this further discussion on that Thank you Vice President Kittleson if I may have a small amount of input The only danger I see of this is that non-represented employees new non-represented employees will automatically be paying this Whereas represented employees will be Basically it will be a bargaining issue so all hired non-rep employees Will automatically if this is passed this evening be paying their portion Whereas it'll be a bargaining issue for for represented employees. That's the only danger. I see here Keep taking my thunder Sorry about that Alderman Versey. Do you like to say anything else? No, you're good. Okay Alderman Bob, thank you mr. Mayor what it does and this will happen at the bargaining table They're absolutely that's the only place It's gonna happen what this document does is expresses the will of the council and the will of the people and it gives the Bargainers when they walk in that door on behalf of the city It gives the city's team the strength of a piece of a piece of paper a document that says this city believes This is the right way and this is the intent with which we will enter into collective bargaining So it sets the tone for that in the future And just one last thing I'll share mr. Mayor Mike Nichols wrote a column that was published in the press Oh couple of weeks ago And it was basically a kind of a sarcastic column about the best retirement plan is to work for the government because it's got all these great Benefits we've already talked about and so this blogger named dr. Yaz And I don't know who dr. Yaz is but dr. Yaz thinks he's a pretty shifty character. He thinks he's pretty smart He what he says is Mike Nichols quit whining you weren't smart enough to realize that all the Benny's were in public sector I was I went out and I think that the quote is He didn't want to be a taxpayer Where is it here? He's sick of the winers out there that didn't that we didn't think ahead in their career choices And and that so dr. Yaz was smart enough to get in after we've elevated wages to where they made sense And he'll probably get out before we're actually able to get wages back toward the where they should be so you dr. Yaz has played the timing game pretty well, but He missed the point of Mike Nichols column, which was Mike Nichols isn't wistfully jealous He said some pretty unflattering things about mr. Nichols being an idiot because he missed the gravy train and Dr. Yaz didn't it was that Mike Nichols is was writing with unsatisfied sarcasm and what dr. Yaz misses is guess what Mike Nichols Here he's the employer. He was saying hey dr. Yaz and city employees you ain't all that We love you, but you're not worth what we're paying and as the employers We're about to change that and that's what this document does this document expresses the will of this body that it is it is enough We have overpaid wages and benefits for too long Things change now and we'll see at the bargaining table and see where it goes. Thank you, mr. Mayor Thank You alderman balk and I respect those comments, but let's remember dr. Yaz is an anonymous blogger an Anonymous potentially not a city employee, but I'm betting thank you all Any further discussion? If there is none roll call, please Ratki I Rinflesh Versi I Longman I Warren I spoke I Really? No, sorry Bowers. I get ya. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi. Conn. Hi, Tiddleston. No, and Montemayor. No Levin eyes to nose motion carries report of committee 9 8-43 by law and licensing recommending repealing and recreating Section 70-6 of the municipal code so as to adopt and clarify the statewide smoking ban and passing the attached Substitute ordinance alderman Rinflesh. Thank you your honor I move that the report committee be accepted and adopted and the substitute resolution be put upon its past Substitute ordinance, excuse me you put upon its passage Do we have a second second we have a motion in a second under discussion? Thank you under discussion the the general ordinance as Rewritten again came from the city attorney's office since the attorney Chuck Adams was Took the lead on writing this ordinance what it does is not make our smoking ban Any more stringent or less stringent than the state it simply applies the state Law to the city as well and anything that was out of whack will be unified the second thing it does do is by passing this then any Complaints or any Ordinance violations will go to the municipal courts and hence any fines paid will go to the municipal court and to the general Fund versus going through the circuit court system, which I think definitely clog up that system more than already is So it's not making anything more stringent. It's just simply putting our city ordinances in line of the state Thank you alderman Rinflesh any further discussion alderman hannah I just want to make sure that Our new ordinance defines the enclosed space consistent with how the state Thank you alderman hannah any further discussion Turning McLean take a full disclosure. I think you'll find that the in 70-6 stash a2 that There is additional language in there that is not in the state statute That has to do with the definition of enclosed indoor area or enclosed place so that is More restrictive than the post state law or the existing state statute Alderman Rinflesh, thank you Little confusion on that one a subsection to the that language is actually not from the state ordinance Correct that actually comes from League of Wisconsin municipalities. That's the language that they recommended It was in our municipality magazine as well to clarify What is that so that's actually not necessarily in unity with the state statutes, but would be in unity with The vast majority of municipalities that are passing this ordinance today So subsection 2 is actually from our The group that we subscribe to the League of Wisconsin municipalities has found in the municipality magazine And may I ask with being the chairman of law and licensing the The well actually the deck permits were issued by city planning But our our deck permits for smoking locations That have been authorized They within this These guidelines, you know or if people spent twenty thirty thousand dollars putting up smoking decks that are now going to be The biggest thing with the enclosed indoor area If you read the subsection to the decks in my opinion will be Certainly allowed Because it is to define what is an enclosed area with number of walls for example in there So for public benefit, I'll read this in addition to the definition of enclosed indoor area set forth in section 101 dash 123 Wisconsin statutes an enclosed indoor area for the purposes of this ordinance shall include all space between a floor and a Ceiling that is bounded by walls doors or windows whether open or closed covering more than 50 percent of the combined surface area With the vertical planes constituting the perimeter of the area in short That means is that if more than half of it is walled in it's inside If more than half of that is exposed it's out so it doesn't count as floor space or ceiling space It's basically 50 percent of the walls. That's my understanding of that from the system's attorney The other follow-up on that is is that the law and licensing Committee is also prohibited from prosecuting anything. We cannot actually take that into account as well the ordinance is Enforced not through law licensing, but rather through law enforcement agencies Who would be my understanding from the police department is that on a case-by-case call-by-call basis? They're not going inside and if they see a smoker writing up the borrower immediately. That's not the intent Thank you Alderman or in flesh any further discussion Alderman Hannah. No There's no further discussion roll call, please Rindflash hi versey. Hi long man. Hi Warren hi Gisha hi Hammond hi Hannah hi Kittleson hi Montemay or hi and Radke 13 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 7-40 resolution number 47 dash 10 dash 11 By Alderperson's Gisha Bulk boron Radke and Hammond authorizing the finance department to return to the Environmental Park Trust of Sheboygan County Incorporated program fees for the purchase and installation of solar panels at Maywood President Gisha, thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion Alderman Bowers What kind of money are we talking about here? President Gisha Turning the page over Alderman Bowers See that the Common Council hereby authorizes the finance department to return fees in the amount of $30,000 It also notes the account number in which the fees are to be returned from any further discussion Alderman Rindflash Any further discussion If there is no roll call, please Percy hi Boran hi Bulk. Hi Bowers. Hi Gisha hi Hammond hi Hanna hi Kittleson hi want me or hi ratki. Hi and Rindflash. Hi 13 eyes motion carries 7-55 RC number 114-10-11 by salaries and grievances recommending amending section 29-75 of the 1975 municipal code so as to delete add various positions from the human resources table of organization and finance department table of organization Alderman Hanna Thank you. I would move that the report of committee Be accepted and adopt second. We have a motion in a second To accept and adopt and pass the ordinance under under discussion motion in a second under discussion There is none roll call, please Versi hi wongamon. Hi Warren hi Bulk hi Bowers. Hi. Yes, sir. Hi Hammond. Hi Hanna Hi, I'm sorry. Hi. Thank you Hi Kittleson. Hi Montemay or hi ratki. Hi and Rindflash. Hi 13 eyes motion carries 7-54 RC number 113-10-11 by salaries and grievances recommending lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire an employee benefits administrator In the human resources department Alderman Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor Alderman Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor. I would move that the RC be accepted adopted and that the Resolution be put upon its passage second have a motion in a second under discussion Alderman bow Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd just like to know what the where we shook out with hourly rate or annual comp and benefits Have a motion to open the floor to Tom Rice Motion the second open floor all in favor say aye post These gentlemen if you would go to your packet of information There are two pieces of information one is the current I shouldn't say current is the past Salary grades that were in the old non rep pay plan And I would specifically cite Grade 5 which these two positions are graded at $18 and 48 cents an hour is the minimum 21 74 the midpoint and 24 95 the maximum So the the salary Alderman bulk would be targeted in that range On the back of that page There are comparables for a similar position Within the cities that we typically compare ourselves to you'll notice that that range is $23 and oh 8 cents minimum 2764 midpoint or market value and 31 13 Is the maximum? So we're well below what the comparable show Oh, thank you. I have no interest in comparing us to local cities comparable cities because this has worked It is absolutely comparable to the private sector and having done analysis myself on this and shared it with the the chairman I'm more interested in what you could earn in Sheboygan as a comparable benefits administrator So that 18 to 21 dollars an hour is comparable and this person you net it out with the college degree though Right, so that you did ratchet that up if you look at the job Paper here, so I just want to confirm before I vote so I thought you got that in there So congratulations to the committee for getting the college degree in there And now we're gonna have to pay for that so I think this pay range probably is in the ballpark And this person would be hired in after the resolution. We just passed so this person would be contributing to there Would this be a representative position? No, okay, so this person would be contributing half of their retirement I'm in Thank You mr. Mayor. Thank you alderman bow and kudos on the structure to the structure is I think good So congratulations, and thank you again alderman bow Alderman Bowers So if I understand this correctly the minimum is 1845 and up and so this is what other cities Which I like Alderman Balkan could care less with other cities pay we should be paying what industry pays Now my next question is This position is at an experienced position out of college or how much experience do they need for this? I'm looking for the more the person that has the most experience in benefits administration Design of benefit programs specifically insurance programs and has administered those programs So you're looking for an experienced personnel. That's absolutely correct. I'm not looking for a college This is not an entry-level position. All right, so we have a minimum of 1845 Can we amend our resolution to put the maximum amount that you can pay or do we got we're going to give you the leeway to go from 18 up to Let's say 24 25 dollar alderman bowers. There is a high end in there also. I believe I'm sorry. There is a high end also. Yes, that's the purpose of the range It's the 20 so it's it's your prerogative to say you're hired, but they have to come before the council Is that correct? No. No The council authorizes waiving of the hiring of the lifting freeze which creates the position Then we're allowed to hire for the position so you could hire someone at the $25 an hour Yes, I hire someone within the range of the position the mid midpoint and maximum But you go from the minimum to the maximum so we really don't have any say we we know the lease is going to be it's 36 or $18 an hour which is 36 thousand dollars a year up to say 25 Which is $50,000 a year so we have no say only in that range Well, the salary would be dependent upon someone's experience educational background and so forth I understand that I don't know how you dictate a salary to me if I get somebody with 20 years experience What's that worth? Oh, you know I mean it's up to the council, but Alderman bowers I would suggest to you that the whole strategy behind salary administration is you provide a range Which you pay jobs for and that's the purpose of a range It allows for variables like education like experience and so on and so forth You're using copper both from other cities, and I'm like Alderman Boak. I like to see it in the real-life situation Define that for me. What do you mean by real life? Well, it certainly isn't that $25 an hour certainly isn't that $24 an hour I think that position As well within the 18 to 19 dollar Alderman Bowers if I may every every time a person has been hired In the city in a non-represented position. There's a pay range. There's a there's a low and a high That is authorized by council. We almost had a problem with the police chief or fire chief as I recall Because you give such a wide range and it comes before the council and then all of a sudden maybe that person isn't hired Oh turning McLean Thank You your honor This is part of the problem of doing away with the non rep pay plan a number of years ago the non rep pay plan had provisions in there for starting somebody out within X percentage of the midpoint Was authorized by so-and-so if it was going to be higher had to go to salary and grievance If it was higher still it went to council right now, you know, you don't have any HR director that has no guidance and so I would strongly urge the council at some point to Come up with a new pay plan for non-represented employees That's not just setting salaries, but establishing a process for coming up with How what you're gonna pay different employees? That's been a big problem in the city for the last several years, and it's not getting any better Thank you attorney McLean president Kisha. Thank you. I'll disagree with attorney McLean I don't think the problem was doing away with the non rep pay plan the problem was not coming up with a new one by now I think doing away with it because I wrote the resolution maybe some a little bias Was the right thing to do because I think it was too willy-nilly And I think there was some stuff in there that gave way too much latitude and I think We and I know Tom is new and I know he's working on such a plan But to answer older person bowers perhaps I could ask older person Balk again who did have a You said hey, I mean you like it, but who did have some information on the private sector and how this relates to that Thank You president Gisha if I may add one thing Presently we do have Tom Rice working on a new non rep pay plan by hiring an employee benefits administrator It will free up more of his time to get that non rep pay plan to the council I'd like to remind you that I come from the business sector that municipal government is brand new to me and The reason I set the salary range at a five was specifically because I understand the mood of the council Had I taken the comparable's I would have said it at a seven or an eight It's not my intention to overpay for the job But it is my intention to pay for the experience in the background to bring someone who's qualified into the job And I would ask that the council not tie my hands and and micro manage what the pay would be I think the proposal is extremely reasonable. The position is necessary That's all I have to say Thank You Tom President Gisha. Yes, I had rung in to share with that All the person Bowers if it makes feeling better. I did an analysis through an organization called MRA and that's who actually the city does its salary and pay comparables with the public sector private sector on and Through my research the low end of that scale would have been appropriate without the college degree But now that they've written in the college degree it could and with years of experience It could creep up so this in my opinion if that's worth anything to you This is the right range for the description as as described now and Thank you all to me about call them in rent flesh. Thank you, your honor I think the range does something That is unique to our country and pay for performance You know, we do live in democracy. We do live in capitalism Where you make the most of what you can and if you are taking the opportunity to educate yourself To get the work experience to be an ace to be a number, you know the the starter on the team versus the follower or the bench player You know, and if we want the quality person that is going to to take charge and be that Then you got to pay for it And likewise if we don't get someone who with those qualifications We're not going to pay for that then we're going to pay for the qualification that they are Maybe they're starting that process. Well, they're not going to get that pay at that point in time That is in the private sector private sector very much So you compete for the best for us to get the best we have to compete as well and provide that range And if we're not the best yet pay them accordingly as well So that is something I do see in the private sector. That is something I know time has experienced in doing I think that's pure capitalism is finest form is You know the best you have to have a range that you're willing to to look at we know what the cap is We know that we get the absolute best carry out there. We know what the cap is We know how the maximum we're going to pay for there's going to be no surprises So i'm in favor of this. Thank you alderman rent flesh alderman hamlet Thank you I guess a couple quick comments based off of a little bit of past experience I work with a lot of benefits type people in the 401k and and hr type world And I don't see anything wrong with the range. I do appreciate everybody's willingness to look at the ranges, but I think you might be kind of crossing that line of micromanaging A director's position. We hired tom To do this obviously has some business background I think we owe him the latitude to be able to find the best person for that position I would expect that if he's going to pay somebody 24 95 an hour That they've got the qualifications and probably can create the efficiencies and do the things necessary to be worth that So, um, you know, I I think it's great that we're watching that. I think that's what we're we're here to do But once it's set, I think we should let The directors do their jobs Well said alderman hamond. I agree and that goes for for more, uh, managers of the city besides just tom rise Any further discussion? There is no roll call, please Wongaman foreign I Boke I Bowers No Gisha I Hammond I Hannah I Cot I Kittleson I Montemayor I Radke I Rindflash I Inversy I 12 eyes one no Motion carries 7-56 general ordinance number 11-10-11 by Alderpersons Kittleson Montemayor and decker relating to two hour parking limits So so as to add the parking limits on the north side of wilson avenue between southeast street and south seven street Vice president kittleson. Thank you, mayor I would ask that the ordinance be Ask for a motion for the ordinance to be put upon its passage second We have a motion and a second under discussion under discussion. I believe this is already if it hasn't been taken care of it It's already in the process of being taken care. Thank you vice president kittleson. Any further discussion? There is no roll call, please Warren I Boke I Bowers I Gisha I Hammond I Hannah I Cot I Kittleson I Montemayor I Radke I Rindflash I Inversy I And Wongaman I 13 eyes Motion carries Other matters authorized by law 8-44 an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from adam Mendez submitting an application for a waiver of the sexual offender residency restrictions will be referred to public protection and safety 8-45 an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from the state of wisconsin department of corrections filing an appeal to the sex offender residency Restrictions for the for state in might michael sullivan will be referred to public protection and safety And 8-46 in ordinance by alderperson kittleson repealing and recreating section 122-14 of the municipal code entitled Private well abandonment so as to update the ordinance and bring it into compliance with the requirements of the wisconsin administrative code That will be referred to public protection and safety other matters authorized by law attorney mclean 8-847 is communication from demetri gain stating a support for the spaceport project That will be referred to building use 848 is and finance excuse me 848 communication 847 847 will go to finance and building use. Thank you 848 is communication from collin catchall stating that the sporgan armory should be saved and used for multiple events Will be referred to building use and finance 849 is communication from patricia a home regarding the issue with the schwoig and fire department ambulance And stating that the only proper way to resolve it is to have a public referendum on the november ballot Will be referred to public protection and safety 850 is An arrow by the city clerk submitting a memorandum of understanding between the city and schwoig and county To demonstrate shared ownership and maintenance responsibilities for the edge two v 5.0.24 Have a tabulator with v pat printer voting machine Be referred to finance 851 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from the schwoig and outboard club asking for a variance from the pure agreement wording in the agreement between the city and the schwoig and outboard club Will be referred to city planning 852 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 11 and june 30 2012 Will be referred to law and licensing before we adjourn. I'd like to address an issue I'd like to clear the air on a matter this is addressing Some rumors some issues that have been going around town Typically, I don't address rumors But I need to set the record straight and I need to be honest I admitted to this council to the public basically to the world Some nine ten months ago That I uh, I was experiencing drinking problems Problems with alcohol problems with alcoholism And that I wouldn't enroll in a program To improve my life improve my lifestyle improve my family Basically take care of myself my family My city Uh, and I've been working that program. I see a counselor on a regular basis. I see a medical doctor I meet with small groups Of people in a similar situation And I have been trying vigorously to work that program um, but recently Um, I had a brother in town My favorite brother were a year apart And unfortunately we're too much alike Um, I had a setback in my program I was out in the city of shabuigan. I was at drinking establishments And I was drinking I know that the rumors were swirling as I was out there And they are true I admit it I had a setback in my program I'm going to continue in my program And I'm going to do it more vigorously Than I have in the past Including attending local meetings. I have not been attending any I've been attending some group meetings out of town Um, and that kind of gave me some cover that I wasn't that well, you know known Uh, truthfully if I'm going to, you know, keep continuing to do this thing I'm just going to attend some local meetings Uh, with a lot of people that are in the same boat as I am There's a lot of a lot of us out there I was amazed last year when I did make make make my announcement How many people came to me? People that I've known for years that have said, you know, I'm in the same boat and I have been for a long time Um I'm an alcoholic. Let's face it. I know it. I've known it for many many years Some people can have a drink or two I'm not one of those people I know that I've known that for a long long time And I've been working to correct that and I've been working on that for many years also It's not that I just started this in the last year Uh, however, uh being in the public eye such as I am Um, I can't lie to myself the way I used to Because it comes out and it comes out like a glaring sore thumb Um, so I'm here to admit it Rather than letting the rumors take their course You know, I didn't choose This disease No, it's nothing we, you know, you go, hey, I raise your hand one day and say, you know Hey, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna do this Uh, you know, it shows me I come from a family with a history Um, I work on this every day I work on it every day I'll continue to work on it every day for as long as I live This does not impede my ability to do my job Does not impede my ability to do my job Um Believe me, I make it to work every day And I'm sober 99 the time. It's just when I'm not that it's scary So I just want everybody to know That I will work my program even more vigorously Um I thank god for For my family You know, they're the they're the people that really matter I'm not going to apologize to them. I've made my peace with them Many times many times over many many years What I want to say is we need to keep moving forward in this city We all have private lives Mine is more public than most I will do everything In my power To not be out there in this city again. I look forward to attending some local meetings And some of you that are out there that have come to me before I look forward to seeing you at those I look forward to uh the support of some people that are important to me I will be at work every day I will continue on We have some big things About to happen in this city We have some major developments that Are coming to fruition In the very near future Now is not the time uh for me to turn back We have a lot of good stuff on our horizon So I promise I will dedicate myself a hundred percent to my family To my city And that we're going to move forward. Thank you Let's do a journey Second All in favor of adjourning Opposed Motion carries