 Hello everyone and welcome back to it or the ether or the podcast all about the upcoming third person mobile They're your clash of souls jelly. You stop that you stop that I'm your host the biggest Johnny me as always is mr. Knees first named jelly Yeah, mr. Knees it is. It's mr. Knees to all of you specifically, okay? I So yeah, good so you brought something up to me that I didn't even realize This is a year. We've been doing this for a year Yeah, this episode will have been just past the year mark So it's interesting when we started this up. There was a lot going on with ethereal and then it kind of tapered off So we thought that we really thought that they were they were ramping up for release and that's why we started this whole thing, but um, I Mean as a result though like things did wind down there for a while But they've really ramped up recently. So I think it's only appropriate that at the year mark That's doing this that things have really taken off. Um, a lot of you guys probably can't see it But like with the testing There has been so many changes and improvements made to this game We talked about it last week, but I just don't I don't think you understand Just how far they've come in like the past two months to three months Like jelly, you know because you you're part of the team now. I think that's again I'll say it again I think that has a lot to do with the progression that we've seen from them is that you joined the team and Certainly a lot of the the interactions that we get with the company are coming from you now and you being Probably the most enthusiastic of the community members You certainly know what the community wanted to know from ethereal and you've been putting that out to people And I think we all appreciate that Yeah, man, and that was my goal going in was being come being who I was in the community, right? The guy that nitpicked every little detail, right? I think I Had a lot of my ear to the ground on what the community was expecting and wanted And even prior to joining team I made a couple videos kind of calling out UG and saying like what's going on Like there's there's clearly something going on here So it's been nice to be a part of the team and basically be able to have That feedback for them internally before it even ever gets to the community side of things, right? So that's I think it's been great. I've been loving it so far and I'm excited for the future with ethereal for sure Speaking of announcements the latest announcement from you guys Specifically you was that you guys you guys have finished all the Reviewing of the applications for testers and you started the interview process and all that Yeah, we've actually interviewed all the people already too. So we've gone through the last two weeks The testing leads all went through and interviewed all the candidates We wanted to interview that we thought stood out and then have reached out to the ones that we wanted to Onboard so they're actually in the stages of filling out paperwork and getting it brought into the testing server as well Okay, great. Are there going to be more servers opened up or is it still going to be? 6v6 testing or is it going to be like a 6v6 over here and a 6v6 over here and Ideally we're going to run as many games as we can in one sitting Okay, so if we're gonna if we have 48 people and we can run for games simultaneously We'll run for game simultaneously. So it's kind of a whatever comes up Or if we have to test something specific we can have two groups testing something specific two groups testing something else or however It works out, but we'll run as many as we can with the people we have so all right awesome. That'd be good for me I can actually Get some fresh meat in there, but so what we're going to be talking about This week is the marina gameplay which by the way Like last week. I said I would like to see marina next for gameplay And you knew you knew at that time. I know you did After after we released the footage I even went back and watched ETE and when you said that looked at my face and like watched and you could definitely see this Moment of me going like, uh-huh. Yeah, marina could be next That's funny so the marina gameplay She looks really good. They like the kiddie pool effect is gone She hasn't like just a regular effect for for riptide and she can shield herself Which I don't think she could originally and Yeah, she just looks like a lot of fun She looks like a fun support that can that can be aggressive when she needs to be but she's definitely on the support side like you You're saving your team more than Attempting to take objectives and stuff which I think is What you need as a support Yeah, absolutely. I mean I how I don't have a ton of games on marina going into that gameplay But I think it was one of those things of Even myself playing that game specifically it was like wow There's there's a lot of potential on marina There are a lot of things you can do you can go the full damage build you can go the kind of more healer-y support build and There are options for you either way right the fact that my carry felt confident enough to be like Okay, if if you can just take that kill just take it like I'm not gonna get there Knowing that his marina could do that because I was building damage is kind of nice at the same time Now she's not gonna go out and 1v1 somebody 98% of the time, but right she does have that potential I think she would be decent in the off lane because she does have the ability to heal herself with her bubble And shield herself with her shields I think she I think if you built the right most annoying Lane Yeah, yeah, it'd be it'd be really annoying you'd have to gank the shit out of that lane or mm-hmm. Yeah But yeah, our marina looked like a lot of fun The other thing we're going to be doing today is now that we've actually seen a lot of these Abilities in action. We're going to kind of talk about what which ones we think are the best and which ones we think Are the worst I wouldn't say best and worst, but least effective You don't want every ultimate to be super effective. You want some Some heroes to have really good abilities and like if they have You know super good abilities. You can't also give them a crazy awesome ultimate You know what I mean? Absolutely, and I think that kind of leads into my pick for the I think what I think there's the least Effective I'm pregnant get some shit for this. I think Noxus has the least effective ultimate But it's because her abilities are so great when you string them together But by the time you're done stringing her abilities together like In order to really hit her ultimate to the best of your ability You need to lock them down with her root and then drop the ultimate on top of them but For the most part when you're when you're throwing that root out you're going to root them you're going to throw her What's the ability like the stars I call it whenever? Oh Lightbound portal. Yeah, I found portal. Yeah, like you want to lock them down hit them with a lightbound portal Burn them down with the beam and by the time you're done with all that They're not locked down anymore and the ultimate is just kind of a follow-up But I think I think hers is probably the least effective. What do you think jelly? I? For me, it's actually toss up between Noxus and I'm gonna get hate for this one Malaya Okay, yeah, I could definitely see that Malaya was a close second for me Yeah, and so I guess I'll put Malaya's as the least effective since you did Noxus But as I probably played between Talos and Malaya, those are my two most played characters and testing right now and Malaya's ultimate is only three seconds long So yes, it's super effective in that you can't die for that three seconds But three seconds in a MOBA is nothing in a team fight if you use that incorrectly or you're slightly too late on it It doesn't matter. You're just dead like it it three seconds is not long at all But she's really strong otherwise, so it's one of those like I understand why it's so short But at the same time You have to be on it when you have to press your ultimates in order to make it effective It's with a split second You're like less than a hundred health You got to press that button because if you don't you're dead or if you waited too long Trying to get something slightly better or did it too early like it's just it's one of those It's really hard to use effectively like Her shield seems more effective than her ultimate because you aren't as sparing when you use it You use her seal shield. You don't feel bad about it if it gets wasted you waste her ultimate and you're Like nothing happened Thanks I do I still think it's I still think it's a little more effective than Noxus because When you do nail it and get it right It's life-saving and in usually results in a kill See that's how I feel about Noxus ult too is granted. There's one guy almost really good I'll give him I'll give him a shout He is like a resident Noxus main right now in testing and that man has done some magical things with Noxus that I was like I I'm glad somebody's able to do this because it's one of those like I Think about it on my head. I'm like, yeah, I could do that never works out that way But this guy this is the guy that got killed five people with his passive because he rooted them Ults at them used his lightbound portal and then died and his passive burst down five people right then and there Right, it was like, okay. Like I applaud you Noxus is way better than I give her credit for so That's insane All right, most most effective. What do you think is the most effective ultimate? most effective honestly, I Think Marina's ult probably would have to go down as most effective. You think so really I Think so because the if you're building her if you build book of Pandora as her first item book of Pandora is passive Is that it gives any healing you deal healing and shields are increased by a percentage When you build that item and use her ultimate You can heal like your entire team in one ultimate like you can you can turn the tide of a fight Pun intended by pressing your ultimate key and your whole team is just feeling regenerated and you're doing damage to the other team is on top of it and Then when you get to Marina's doing that it's even worse because you're trying to figure out like which one is which and It's nuts, but I would definitely have to put hers up there at the top Yeah, I don't I don't think anybody else's does what hers does I Know you bit of a top. I did think about Marina's because it really can turn the tides of a fight Leah's ultimate is also really good. It's very disruptive, but I think it's it's not the most impactful ultimate But I think you get the most use out of it is Talus is ultimate Just being able to just barrel in on top of somebody you never feel bad about using his ultimate You never because it's on a fairly short cooldown you end and you always just get some kind of effect out of it You get Talos on top of the enemy team and that's where you want him to be. I really I think his ultimate For me the way I use the ultimate is is is probably the most effective one Yeah, I mean and I get the most use out of it It may it might not be the most effective I get by far the most use out of Talus is ultimate out of any of the Yeah, and we actually It's been a while since we've made this change But Talos ultimate had a change to it where when he ults based on however many passive stacks He has so how many kills or assist he's helped secure He gains armor and magic resist when he ults for a period of time so That makes him inherently more tanky based on the amount of stacks that he has When he ults and then also ties directly into his kick and his uppercut because both of those scale They're damaged scales with armor and magic resist, right? So Both of those things working together I could definitely see Talos ultimate being up there in terms of one of the most effective ultimates I like that it makes it to where you want to use his ultimate more aggressively as a part as Opposed to just as an escape, which you can use it as an escape. I mean, it's a multi-use ultimate, but I Like that stack that on the reason we kind of did it was I was and I was telling them as the Talos guy I was like it's more effective most of the time to use my ultimate to get away than it is to go in Yeah, right like it's just there needs to be more incentive to do so And energy wasn't it like it was yes, you could refund energy for everyone you hit But that really wasn't enough To justify using the ultimate as an engage tool, right? But I mean we were doing it on the extreme cases, but in the extremes. I was able to almost double my armor and mr Using my ultimate going in and so that's I mean that turns Talos into a very tanky person Just off the cuff. So that's a big thing for him It's kind of like what I was originally talking about with Talos his ultimate is that Yeah, it gives stamina or energy back, but Usually when you're going to use it as an engage you're going to engage with full stamina or energy anyway, so yeah That wasn't much of a reward. I do like that you guys change that Yeah All right, so What do you want to do next you want to do the the risk reward abilities? Yes, absolutely Okay, dude, you got some stuff in mind here. Let's hear it In terms of most effective right-click I would hands down say it's Talos Okay, because his his ability to adjust when he goes into his frenzy and he increases his damage Right, that's a great part of it and it just makes him inherently stronger. That's great The thing that I love about it is that it resets your basic attack animation when you use his frenzy So you can when you're doing the combos with his abilities because they're all those multi-stage abilities Great, you can weave in an extra basic attack by using his right-click in certain scenarios and Getting and just amplifying your damage even that much further. Yeah And sometimes it catches people super off-guard that you just go into frenzy and then you just wallop them and they Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to take minions. I don't want to farm today. Thank you very much So I would definitely put Talos at the top for me. What about you? I'd definitely get that For me, I think it's Marina like Just that displacement and and sort of stun especially if you have a Dante right beside you Yeah, that's it's super effective if you if you can coordinate in comms tell him, you know, I'm about to about the call Then you walk up you do your sirens call you Charmed them and move them for you forward the whole time Dante is using his right-click to just Because that's a hard ability to it's a hard to land all those shots and get the most effect That's why I don't think Talos is Risk-reward ability is all that effective because it's hard to hit all those shots But if Marina is involved, then oh, yeah, you get all those you land almost guaranteed damage Yeah, exactly and the fact that it applies to all targets in an area. It's not like single target great Said it's a short range ability So it's Marina's putting herself out there to go up and try and right-click a bunch of people But that thing is effective like there's no question there And I think in the Marina gameplay it shows a lot too because there was a lot of times that I would just hold it Be like, okay, if they even look like they're gonna get away That's when I grab them and say no no no come back here. We're dealing this damage to you. Yeah So it's it's absolutely a crazy crazy strong ability and the cooldown reflects because it's like a 28 second cooldown at level one So that thing is not not cheap to you. Yeah, you can't you can't just throw it whenever you want to that's for damn sure yeah, and Then for at least effective mangoes, who are you thinking in terms of right clicks? God, I'm gonna get so much hate for this, but again, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to say it's noxious. Oh Okay, I thought you were gonna say Malaya and I was gonna rant. Oh, no, no, no, no Hers is quite effective. Um No, I yeah, I think I think it's noxious. Um, I think it's because the The risk outweighs the reward for that you do get a lot of extra damage in like the manner reduction and everything But God moving slowly on her you just you're just a big old move You're just a big old target and you just get you get wailed on you've really got a time that well Or just know that there's nobody or no jungler around you know Leah's not gonna suddenly dive atop you after you use that so Yeah, and so that ability we're actually talking about making a change too, which should be effective soon is changing that to the slow is up front and then the effect is afterwards because So it's like a wind up like she's collecting magic into herself and so she's she's slowed while she's collecting And then for a period of time afterwards she then gets the bonuses. I like that. I like the way it works Now it requires her to be in the fights and then be slowed trying to get out of it and being who she is she's screwed Yeah, right. It's not like Talos who can then ultimate and get out or do has some kind of Easy stuns that he can land to help survive through that slow after the end, right? She's not like that She'll just die she rotates her abilities and then she's dead afterwards So we wanted to make it that you can preemptively do that and so you can as you're walking into lane Press your right-click move a little bit forward and then unleash this burst Upon people. I like that a lot like yeah, you could you could channel it under tower and then move forward and land your abilities Yeah, I like that a lot. I enjoy that change. Look forward to that And then least effective that's that's hard because I think there's a lot they're all good in their own ways Hmm I Would probably say that Leah Leah's is the least effective the the speed boost really? Yeah part of it is The amount of time that she can use it. It's pretty short in comparison and in combat I Guess I should rephrase least effective in terms of I Guess using it as it was intended Right now what we're seeing with a lot of lias is they use the right-clicking combat to zip around side to side and Dodge of big dodge abilities dodge attacks and all those things The ability is designed in such a way that the last thing you should want to do is take more damage while in combat So if the fact that they're only are almost exclusively using it in combat shows that there's a problem in that That's the kind of thing that you would only realize through testing I think oh hundred percent. Yeah, and it's something that We've instituted a little bit that if she's in combat. She only gets half of the speed increase But still has the full downside. So it's like a if you're gonna use this you better be sure that you're using it for the right reasons Yeah But so I think in terms of everybody else I think she probably has the least effective of them all it's got its uses no question there But uh, that's it. I think that's the one for me. Okay. Do you know I would say there's a runner-up for best But I'm just now thinking of he's a Ron's right-click a Ron's right-click. Yeah, that thing is oppressive sometimes. Yeah Where he just he just runs right in and just oh look you're all feared sucks to be you guys We're my whole team is really happy right now like Yeah, I completely forgot about a run Yeah, that was good Do you do you want to run down the gamut that you want to do what the rest of the abilities or do you want to just? Sure, we could I think we could go from top to bottom on the the right clicks go t2b. Oh No, no, I meant like do you want to do cues now and then ease or do you want to oh be sure? Why not let's do it. All right. All right. Oh, okay, so cue See, I this is where I'm going to fail because I don't Know a lot. I want to say the least effective cue is Dante's with the His piercing shot Interesting. Okay. I just never seemed to be able to put that to good use like I want to use it To both kill minions and hit the enemy Dante or the enemy Marina, but I never seem to be able to do it It always seems to slow me down at times that I don't want to be slowed down So that that's that's my vote for least effective is Dante's cue Okay For cues so I actually I think this might be slightly controversial in and of itself I think my best and least effective cue are the same ability, but for different reasons. Oh, okay So least effective and and most at this point is Aron's cue. All right. All right Aron's cue is Terrible if the enemy isn't blazed But it's super short range. It doesn't do too much damage It's mostly meant to like execute minions at that point But if you throw another ability on them first and they're blazed and then you land the cue that thing will deal So much damage. It's ridiculous and it should great. He's landing. He's landing combos at that point But oh my god, sometimes an Aron walks up to you in cues and you're like, oh, okay That was nothing and then the next time you're blazed and he hits you and you're like, oh, I'm half-health. Thanks. Okay, cool The two of those but yeah The I'm glad it has that disparity right where it really wants you to use another ability first to get that Blaze status. Yeah, but holy crap sometimes. Is it just insane? my vote for most effective and Correct me if I'm wrong Noxious is laser beam is on her cue, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's most effective. I love that thing I love that laser beam. It's the exact opposite of what I was talking about with Dante Like with the laser beam what I want to be doing is clearing millions while also hitting enemies I can always do that with the laser beam because it's so easy to the channel and manipulate Whereas I can't really do it with Dante. Plus it goes through walls. It just it's just deal the crap with the damage She has her roots. So Boom Yeah, no, absolutely that that ability is so much fun to use too when you get a solid damage or a kill with that thing Especially through walls. You just feel like the best player in the game. You're just like, yeah, I'm just the best Thank you very much. I love that ability so much. It's so much fun to use. Yeah Yeah, her other abilities because I'm probably gonna rank her top at a lot of other because I think her abilities Like I said her ultimate wasn't all that useful and her right click was all that useful, but her other abilities are Spectacular. Yeah, she's insane. Yeah I'm okay with her ultimate being ranked to the lower end of effectiveness because her the rest of her kit is just awful Which off the wall strong So for e abilities, who would you say is your least your least effective e? Who least effective e? I don't know. I'm gonna have to think about it. You go. You go I honestly Despite it having its uses Dante's grenade is pretty low on the on the totem pole for me. Okay. Yeah It has its use cases sometimes But for the most part like I toss it out Maybe it's because we played extra life man goose and that grenade one shot literally everything Um, but right now when I use it, I'm just like, oh, you know, it did 50 damage cool And applied a 30 percent slow. It never feels like super effective to me And I guess I'll blame extra life because yeah, it was always the most fun thing to toss out there and just annihilate people with You're right though, it's it's a pretty good ability. It's not that bad But I mean Dante shouldn't have really effective abilities. He should be relying on his His basic attacks. Yeah Yeah, I think that would be the one I would put at the least effective. I don't like Iran's Okay, I think that's my least effective one Are you just the grab the grab is you think Iran's least effective ability? Wait, that's the grab. Okay. What's yeah? What's the meatball meatballs are? Okay, okay, okay Meatball I don't I don't I don't like the meatball at all And now people that haven't seen Iran's gameplay are going meatball. What the heck I don't know I think I might have to go with you with it with Dante out that grenade is just it's hard to land and it doesn't deal that much damage And you think you're going to catch people that are running away and it just never It never chips enough to kill Yeah, for the most part It's it's a you use it for the slow kind of ability and that's it and even then it's it's hard to land So it's one of those I wish the slow was better on it for that when you did land it it was effective like it was that extra extra thing but for best I no question had to go with the boy Talos because He gets two stuns out of the deal. So I mean It's hard to say the best. It's a slow and then a stun, right? No, it's if he lands the first the kick is a stun and then the second to knock up So it's not technically a stun, but it counts And he has to land the first to get the second on a myth specifically It's not like he can just kick minions and then knock somebody up a mile away But that ability is insane if you're weaving his damage incorrectly You can take a myth from full health to half health. No problem in one combo with just that ability. Yeah It is pretty effective So I get confused between the ease and the ours Leah her dive is that one or E or R? That's her R. That's her R See that for the most part movement abilities are on the R. Okay, that's a good way to think about it almost always the ability three I think I might just have to agree with you again because that the mighty kick mighty uppercut. Oh Yeah Yeah, that's that's when somebody doesn't respect Talos and walks right up in his face It's like, okay. Thank you for the double stun here. I appreciate it I Well, I guess we can go with the ours then I've already said my least effective is that damn meatball from Iran I can't I just can't land that slow ass The ours are hard because there are a lot of good our abilities a lot of good our abilities For least effective I want us probably would say Talos or not Talos Malaya's dash actually really Yeah, man. I like her dash. I think I Think the others all have their like really good use cases Specifically Iran's meatball like just is that it applies blaze Right, so then you can go in and use his cue and just wallop somebody so it's one of those like It's if I was doing the ability straight. I would agree with you. It's probably Iran's meatball In terms of other effectiveness Once you use them. I don't I wouldn't say that one, but yeah Malaya dash is Just a dash like there's literally nothing fancy to it. She gets two of them Yeah, it's the most frustrating thing to play against sometimes because Malaya's just pop up up on and she's gone great Thank you except if you're a skifter in the Marina gameplay where you can't jump up a wall after two tries Just saying I just you know, I may have first blooded skifter as Um But then what about most effective are this is like I've already given mine away. I think it's Leah Yeah, I'm just thinking about what I've been screwed over by and in Leah just pouncing into lane when you don't even see it coming and Then there's always follow-up from whoever you're laying against and that that I get destroyed every time Leah goes in Yeah, I'd probably agree with you. She doesn't give a shit about towers. It's just always dude. She just goes in. It doesn't matter You can see that Leah mentality in the Marina gameplay almost all the gameplay is actually but yeah, I Leah dives me twice It's like what the heck I was doing nothing. I was sitting under tower. What do you want from me? I what did I say a long time ago? I said that Leah was going to be chimera with wings. God David You're not wrong you're not wrong go. Oh my god Uh, yeah, Leah are is up. Definitely. I would say the most effective honorable mention though has to be Lightbound portal that ability if you land that route on somebody on a group of people minions myths whoever it is That ability does so much damage. It's ridiculous and for real You don't even need to land the the the route a lot of times if you're good with lightbound portal like I've been able to land naked lightbound portals and just Hit pretty much all those little stars coming out Dude that ability. Yeah, that ability is really strong. It's definitely up there It's definitely way stronger after you land a route But it isn't really good for lane clear and you can route the entire enemy minion wave and then lightbound portal and And one ability that I think is underutilized and testing especially but maybe in the game releases as well is Talos is our Because every myth you landed on you reduce your cooldowns by one second Oh, I didn't know that yeah, so if you get into a team fight and do one good spin Yeah, all of your abilities are off cooldown again, so you can just run in there Spam your abilities off cooldown use your r spam your abilities a second time and that that does work And that we that lead does a lot of work, too. Oh my god. That bleed has killed me so many times. It's ridiculous Right finally get the last hit on him and I see I'm bleeding. I was like great. Thank you. I'm just awesome All right, and then we've done the ultimates already. Yeah, so I think that's it. I mean camera can't really do passives yet Class abilities will do when they're all implemented, right? But yeah, I think overall I think testing is reaching that point where it's getting my new details are starting to be what matters It's not so much the massive balance swings anymore Now it's really getting those fine details of bringing everybody in line or relatively the same line as each other With their own strengths and weaknesses accordingly You guys already addressed the thing that had concerned me the most About balance, which was the items like some of the items were just stupid That's yeah, we went through and changed all the items of course and that's something some items don't get built Right, so occasionally one will get built and we'll be like whoa. What was that? That's not the intended effect Like for instance in the marina gameplay there was a bug with chaos scythe Which the allied Malaya had that the instance where Dante goes from half health to zero just Instantaneously that was a bug with one of the items that the item was crocking off of itself. Oh So it just ramp up and so it just it just ramped itself to infinity and just deleted him When he hit the trigger for the items nice One of those things that until it gets built you may not realize that that's what happens Yeah So it's yeah, it's definitely a work in progress But the items they are the big thing that we're taking a look at now that the myths are in a good balanceable state Well, all these new testers coming in that that should that should cover your items I'm sure you want to realize a lot of weird interactions that you didn't know before Absolutely all sorts of crazy shit We had it's long since been fixed, but disruptive shield Returned physical damage you took to the person that dealt it or in a circle around you actually What we found out is that disruptive shield if two people had disruptive shield It would just endlessly bounce the damage back between And would kill server performance because it was just bouncing to infinity back and forth Oh, man, but it was one of the funniest things to figure out. We're like what the heck is that? Oh How did you figure that out like the dude? So I think it was somebody bought disruptive shield mm-hmm and saw something weird happening And so everybody bought disruptive shield and we all like stood together and just one person And it just you see the server frame rate just go from where it's and just tank and you're like, oh, oh You know, maybe that's a problem. So I'm gonna like hit the gong like all the ripples. Oh Man But that's also part of the fun of testing. It's finding some of that stuff and you're like, okay Interesting, that's amazing. I like that All right, well shit, I think that's about all I had you got anything No, I think that's all I've got as well Hopefully I didn't piss off noxious fans too much. I love not this I do. She's one of my favorites to play I just happen to think that two of her abilities are probably the least effective out of all of but the rest of her abilities More than make up for it. Absolutely. Absolutely So, okay, yeah, I guess that's gonna close it out for this week that our year one year anniversary I guess we should have done something special with Should I got like poppers or something that I could explode on screen? We needed your kazoos So with all the more testers coming in and all all the changes that are going to arise from that hopefully Hopefully we can get everybody or at least as many people as possible to come in and play this game with us As soon as we can but until you get that chance. I hope you all join us as we enter the ether man Shout out to channel members foolish blood hunter jelly knees and me I'll mix from it