 have a great show thanks Jesus Maria Joseph have a wonderful show may the show rise to meet you may the show rise three meet your expectations yeah I did some Scottish seeping in there we have to wait 30 seconds before I could start Alpha Geek media so that's why I do accents now gotcha I was gonna say I'd get in on this but it would sound just as good as your accent Garrett how are you dealing with the the wedding are you are you in the in the in terminal velocity on wedding yet I'm trying to I'm trying to keep my language clean right now Justin we're on DTNS so let's let's not approach that subject all right I'm starting a GM here it goes it's gonna okay there we go let's record this support for the Daily Tech news show is provided by Patreons like you at patreon.com slash ace detect this is FPN the Frog Pants Network this is the Daily Tech news for Thursday September 24th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today the triumphant return of the recently married Justin Robert young welcome back oh my Lord folks I am so excited to be back here where I belong on a DTNS Thursday delivering the tech news for one and all it's so good we missed you you look tanned and rested and Nixonian in every way oh thank you I very much appreciate it and the fact that I do give you the tech news means that it's not illegal that's right you are not a crook you're a contributor to this show we're gonna be talking about e-sports TBS cable television is gonna be doing an e-sports league and so we brought in somebody who knows from e-sports Mr. Garrett Weinsurl host of the angry chicken and into the nexus podcast thanks for joining us man oh thanks for thanks for having me Tom it's gonna be it's gonna be weird for me to hear Garrett talking without Jocelyn and Dills responding because I'm a big fan of the angry chicken and also a normal speed because you're one of those normal speed and also not while I met Ralph's usually where I'm listening so so we'll make do we'll figure it out let's get into some headlines hey the Oculus connect conference has happened and we got all kinds of stuff coming out of that Samsung announced a $99 gear VR headset along with the gear v 1.0 SDK releasing this November for every 2015 Samsung headset so it's easier to remember now like which one is this one work with this one works with any Samsung headset that came out this year also Netflix Hulu Vimeo Tivo Twitch Vimeo Lionsgate and Oculus arcade will all have apps that work with the headset Fox announced it will bring more than a hundred movies to the Oculus store at launch of the Oculus Rift titles to include alien bird man taken diehard and office space Palmer lucky CEO of Oculus announced Minecraft will be available for the Oculus Rift at launch next spring from the Oculus store and the Windows 10 store alienware Dell and Asus will launch Oculus ready PCs that support the Rift out of the box machines feature a minimum of 8 gigabytes of RAM Intel's i5 processor Nvidia GTX 9700 or AMD 290 GPUs and all of them sell for less than a thousand dollars and eventually when the Oculus Rift gets a price and release date there will be bundles that you can buy that include Oculus Rift and finally version 1.0 of the Rift SDK different from the gear VR SDK launches in December and a second SDK specific to motion control by the way motion controllers coming in Q2 they say will arrive before launch in 2016 VR Palooza Justin this alright so so many very interesting things coming out of this number one we still again just to underline something that you said but for people who have not been following this story we don't have a release date and price for the consumer version not the SDK but the consumer version of Oculus Rift right early 2016 that's all I've said okay so basically they're saying not for Christmas and we're not taking pre-orders for Christmas this is not going to be a a Kenner Star Wars toy certificate kind of situation no Boba yeah no Boba that being said we now have so much around this that I'm going to make a prediction about our prediction show that happens at the end of 2015 leading into 2016 I will predict that it will not be a valid prediction to call 2016 the year of virtual reality because never before and listen we've seen this I mean that we've covered here on this show extensively we've seen a lot of very interesting things happening nothing as solid we are going to get competing major publicity for products not only from Oculus Rift and then this is them girding their loins getting ready to go after whatever we're going to see from the the the valve VR that's getting such insane reviews from people who have played with it currently so this is a gigantic step and and there's so many very interesting things that they announced I would suspect about 10% of it will actually be relevant by the time people actually get these things on their heads and play around with it because to be honest I think my normal experience of watching office space is probably going to be fine I don't necessarily need to be surrounded by in a tech yeah I mean Hunger Games in VR if if if there's a movie that's shot for it that's different I don't know if I need to necessarily just put on the headset to surround myself but maybe once I try it I'll change my mind they also showed off a handful of games Garrett and that's that's really at what everyone expects to be the app people use at first whether there's Netflix available or not is video games are you excited about this I mean I've been excited about VR for a while the thing is is that I I haven't had a chance to try one out I'm you know there hasn't been one at any of the conventions that I have attended and the sentiment I keep hearing from everyone who has had a chance to actually try it it all boils down to you know to get a real opinion about this type of hardware is you absolutely have to try it so while I am kind of excited about it I mean we've been hearing about Oculus Swift for over two years now it's kind of it's really at a simmer at this point for me right yeah yeah actually let's let's bring it Oculus I would have I would have liked a month today that's the only thing there's a lot of a lot of good announcements that if I had a release date would have got me super hyped but right now it's like okay okay so you're still adding things people are making apps people are making games that's great when can I get it that's really what everybody it is something that you would think in a perfect world they wanted to have right like they wanted that this could have been there well I guess you know I mean the iPhone announced the general time right initially in 07 and then they eventually announced the exact date but normally it was just spring of 08 when they first announced it so maybe 20 year 28 year old parabolic Adam Fritz was able to walk 3.6 meters with partial overhead support thanks to a brain to computer interface experiment at UC Irvine's eye movie lap or eye move lap sorry not eye movie it doesn't come pre-installed on your Mac eye move lap a Reuters reports the apparatus let's Adam's brain bypass his severed spinal cord and send signals from an EEG in a cap to match his leg muscles using electrodes around his knees the experiment was performed the last year and is now being published in the Journal of Neuro engineering and rehabilitation and do the studies a co-author said sorry and do the studies co-author said clinical applications were many years away and required more research still talk about something very very exciting yeah and I think what what I like about this is it is a peer-reviewed article this is not you know somebody demonstrated something in a lab and and they're going to be publishing more research like this is something where they're like hey we've we found out some very important advances here a year ago and so there's more research that has been done since then but this is solid stuff and and pretty amazing don't not are submitted the cbc story that the government of Canadian province British Columbia has misplaced an unencrypted backup hard drive that has 3.4 million student records from 1986 to 2009 on it including information on health and behavior issues so so records of you know people having problems at home son that's on this hard drive it includes name gender postal code personal education number as well but it does not include social insurance or health numbers the drive was supposed to be located in a locked cage in a locked warehouse and officials with the education ministry have been looking for it since August they just announced they just told the minister about it Friday they finally got the gum should to be like we lost a hard drive turns out all that did go on your permanent record yeah and somebody's got it at their house my guess I don't know why I think this more than any other story like this my guess is somebody just stole a hard drive and wiped it and wanted to use it at home I don't know why that's just my sense I get I mean saying this is the government equivalent of hey I need some paper clips I'll take this whole box no one will notice that's what it feels like to me so I got a key to cage there's a question why is this information being stored for this law why did somebody who went to school in 1986 why is there still records of what they did isn't something that kind of should I mean in an era now that we are or well adjusted to an era of infinite data space you said Justin it's your permanent record I mean all right but let's this is stuff that can get lost right like I mean if you have a police record something where you've run afoul of the law if you have a social services record I think that's something but like what you did as a student a lot of this is behavioral like I could see reasons to say like you know we need to keep documenting for for mental health reasons you know how their health records involved here so they're there may be more to it than than that and I don't know I don't know what Canadian law is on this yeah I guess I guess to me and this is I know talking about a story that's not the story but it just seems to me like you know anything that is worthwhile to keep could be kept somewhere else where it would be more relevant than a locked warehouse in a locked cage where somebody obviously had the keys and granted this was the backup the the actual records are still available online in in you know behind a password protected system I would hope this was just the you know they were doing what you're supposed to do when you want to preserve data you make it offline backup and you store it separately so that if the main one gets deleted you've still got access to the backup unless someone stole it out of a locked warehouse in a locked cage exactly and you know I'll tell you what what embarrassing information could possibly come from your activities as a student said David Cameron out loud a week and a half ago the New York Times reports IBM will set up a second office for artificial intelligence system Watson in San Francisco in 2016 IBM's Watson group was set up as a separate business in January 2014 and has an office in Manhattan IBM is announcing Watson is now capable of providing services like speech language understanding image recognition and sentiment analysis as a service 70,000 software developers already use Watson in some way I'm gonna use Watson to find out if my friends mad at me to sign up for sentiment as a service this is IBM trying to get into the big data game with the branding of Watson who's been on Jeopardy you know the power of that algorithm which is very good and and honestly trying to stay neck and neck with Microsoft Google Amazon and and others who are trying to be the first to say we can do your structured data for you it is amazing that this is a race of who can be your business's smart best friend right like it is it is it is an arms race from all the companies that you just mentioned and like you said Watson by far is the most famous after he what done bid that beat the dude on Jeopardy. Kyle pointed out this next story on our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com also big thanks to Kyle for being our self-proclaimed janitor keeping the subreddit clean. Akamai's latest numbers show the global average connection speed rose 3.5 percent to 5.1 megabits per second on average worldwide in Q2 2015. South Korea still ranks first 23.1 megabits per second on average drool followed by Hong Kong Japan Sweden and Switzerland at number five with 15.6 megabits per second. If you're wondering where the U.S. ranks since the majority of our listeners live there your 20th at 11.7 megabits per second on average Tunisia saw the greatest growth in speed at 67 percent faster speeds than the last survey they still have 2.8 megabits per second on average and Singapore leads with average peak speeds so this is the fastest anybody gets during an average day of 108 megabits per second on average so that's that's pretty fast speeds even if they can't maintain them all day long similarly open signal has published their survey of LTE speeds South Korea top those charts as well with 25 megabits per second added to 97 percent coverage New Zealand delivers the fastest LTE at 36 megabits per second but they only have 51 percent coverage and if you're wondering about the U.S. 10th in coverage at 78 percent and 55th in speed at 10 megabits per second which you know coverage right so coverage of the entire United States it's a bit more of a tricky situation than some of the other countries that were listed there obviously both in size and terrain but again speed the real big the real the real bugaboo there I mean it is it's hard to maintain an average speed a superfast average speed over the entirety of the United States so this might not be something that you could necessarily point at and say shame shame shame to the carriers other numbers like what they are in big metropolitan areas where people do have a lot of money and there are a lot of resources are probably more along those lines well in LTE the U.S. was first so they used to be really high on this chart and as that infrastructure has aged countries that weren't first to the LTE game like South Korea have now leapfrogged because they went straight in with the faster LTE while we're busy upgrading so the LTE game makes sense to me the U.S. is just in the middle of the pack as far as broadband goes not not horrible not great just one of those things do you feel it Garrett do you have good bandwidth where you live it's a sore subject for me I just had to switch to Comcast from from Verizon because Verizon's upload was just not working for me but when it was working I had 150 over 150 and it was amazing but now I'm back on Comcast with a pretty decent download and a miserable upload yeah at least it's at least it's a reliable upload where you had on on LTE speeds out there I actually don't know nice I couldn't tell you but your phone works my phone does work but I spend almost all of my time on a Wi-Fi signal area the only time I'm ever using it is when I'm traveling which means I'm not home so in gadget passes along the Eveliks and N4BB claims that Blackberry's upcoming Android phone phone will be called the Blackberry priv as in privacy the leaked photo confirms the phone will have a QWERTY slider keyboard with a curved screen and 18 megapixel camera is there a more Blackberry name Tom than the priv for privacy wow priv for pervs is the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this and I apologize for that to everyone but as Brian brushwood said when I said that to him this morning and I saw this article this is a good move for Blackberry though like marketing on privacy is smart it's what they should do it's what they're good at so good on you Blackberry sure I mean a lot of other names that's not the best you know just say they could have just maybe this won't be the name maybe Eveliks and N4BB got it wrong who knew would have been a better name QWERTY after the slider keyboard make a little mascot why not little slider keyboard dances around sells for Blackberry core I lead but they want to sell the privacy aspect yeah exactly no no but here's the thing about QWERTY he doesn't spill your secrets you tell him that he ain't gonna crack they use to sign the mascot not to have a mouth exactly you got a warrant for that cop what are you a cop Microsoft has agreed to make Baidu the default search engine for the edge browser in China according to the next web Baidu will offer Windows 10 universal Windows applications for search video cloud and maps Microsoft says it has no plans to abandon Bing in China just wants to provide good local search Microsoft already partners in China with 10 cent for social networking Kihu 360 for security and the next web reports Xiaomi is helping Microsoft test Windows 10 on me for handsets with some of its users this deal kind of screams the price of doing business in China right yeah I in many different ways right I mean first of all there are loads of regulatory hoops to jump through when you're working in China so it's a lot easier to partner with somebody that we've seen uber do that yeah we've seen Facebook do that we've seen lots of companies do that so Microsoft's no fool there but it's also a little bit of Microsoft saying look we want to provide the best service wherever we are and the best service in China is run by Baidu so we're gonna partner with them I don't know that they would do the same thing say in Europe where Google has 90% share but it is interesting yeah it makes sense and also it is not outside the realm of possibility that I mean again the Microsoft that showed up on stage at an Apple event to plug you know office apps while a a tablet that looks suspiciously like the surface was was also being debuted the same Microsoft that is touting the the experience that you'll have on an Oculus Rift to play Minecraft when they also have their own AR a program coming out it is all about getting what they do well on every platform possible and partnering where they don't which I guess I would the sacha man just wants you to be happy hey listen sacha madness it's happening yeah gadget has an update about Samsung pay which has been in use in South Korea for about a month Samsung says it is seen 30 million in transactions over 1.5 million purchases 36% of users were active in the past month and 10% were using Samsung pay every day 60% of Korean purchases went through a galaxy note 5 by comparison an unnamed fintech expert in our chat room says estimates on Apple pay have been between six and eight million cards set up for Apple pay so Samsung pay doing very well in South Korea where Samsung is dominant right everybody knows and uses Samsung in South Korea well not everybody obviously but lots of people do whether that can translate outside of South Korea is a different matter but this is really good uptake and one of the dings on Samsung pay was because it does that loop pay that they bought thing where they can you know mimic a magnetic stripe people were thinking well that's not going to be as useful outside of the United States where us dopes have still been using magnetic stripes without chips for a long time seems to be doing just fine in South Korea absolutely why yeah mm-hmm wired reports Facebook is renaming its internet.org website and app to free basics by Facebook service aims to provide free access to various websites and services we've talked about it before it's in 18 countries the organization that makes the app will continue to be called internet.org they kind of want to separate the organization from the app that's one of the reasons they're doing this that organization will continue to pursue lots of connectivity projects totally related story Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is set to visit Facebook's campus today and internet drug org just happens to have caused some controversy in India around that neutrality because it's it's a zero rating app they give you some data for free but not all data for free so I think that's part of the reason they're announcing that name change today too. Well I've heard from very very good sources that they got a hell of a cafeteria there so I think you know Mr. Modi is going to have a real good time at the campus this seems like a branding issue right that they want to separate philanthropic stuff that they do with with internet.org and having been rightfully criticized for some of these you're rated apps they want to call them more what they are here or Facebook and they're designed so you use Facebook and we're happy to kind of give you the taste for free so you might have Wikipedia and other basics in there these free basics by Facebook yeah totally I agree but it is a smart move it seems like that like it's more this is a better labeling for it as opposed to it seeming you know as they were criticized a little bit more sinister that they were like oh no this is our charity please take our free basics. LG has released a teaser video showing a secondary display on top of the phone with the date of October 10th 2015 followed by the words coming soon presumably October 1st 2015 the video implies the phone will be enjoyed by people with an asymmetrical haircut in gadget notes Evelix previously described a similar phone called the AG V10. LG V10 with a secondary screen above the regular screen okay I mean I guess like is this their attempt to like somehow do multi monitors on a handheld device listen to you alerts without turning on the whole screen that save you battery life yeah I don't know I don't know what they're trying to accomplish here notifications I you know what I'm starting to change my mind just as I think about it so the Samsung Edge is what you compare this to where it has a little notification show up on the edge but wouldn't you rather have them show up on the face of the phone but without lighting up the whole display so maybe maybe it is somewhat useful but I don't know if I call it a second screen it's just like battery friendly notifications even if it is technically a second screen yeah love that haircut though I think I'm gonna go with that watch the video folks LG V10 I definitely gotta read these scripts before I read them yes we get a lot of our ideas from you folks and our subreddit at DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com so get in there and vote the more of you do the more helpful it is and that's a look at the headlines okay folks TBS cable television network here in the United States and WME IMG a talent agency co-owned by Ari Emanuel the inspiration for Ari Gold in entourage is getting together to create a Counter-Strike Global Offensive League they've got a deal with Valve they don't have a name for the league they're gonna do two 10-week seasons in 2016 total of 20 episodes on Friday nights in Atlanta they'll do digital content Tuesday through Friday so they're not abandoning the fact that most people who watch eSports watch it online they'll even do a live digital stream as a companion to the TV broadcast five-person teams they even say that non WME IMG clients may be picked for the teams to buy a Sherman the head of the eSports division at the agency told Variety it's not just the top teams but the underdogs as well they said working with existing leagues just didn't make any sense that's what the president of Turner Sports Lenny Daniels told Variety Garrett what do you make of this it seems a little weird to create a league for TV when you know we saw that ESPN thing last April where people in TV land thought it was weird and all the eSports people loved it but they're already online right and actually there were descending voices on the eSports side of things because a lot of us are cord cutters and we were like well why can't we watch this on Twitch like every other eSports tournament but that that's a vocal minority I mean a lot of us were just really excited to see something that we love on on mainstream media it was it was cool and they have good production value but I don't I think this is fine and the fact that they're not completely abandoning online broadcasting addresses any immediate concerns I would have had because I feel like one of the issues with eSports is a lot of the tournaments it's a lot of content to take in it's not like it's just a three or four hour single game between two teams and you're done and it tells the whole story so it's kind of hard to make it work for TV in that aspect especially if you're gonna have a long ongoing league so since they're gonna have you know supplemental content online and then have whatever you know the big match of the week is Friday you know every Friday for 10 weeks actually sounds like a pretty smart setup for me because that's you know we've talked about getting eSports eSports on television on our shows many times and it always comes down to well how do we kind of bend it to fit what is we see as kind of an older form something where you constantly have to stop and make room for commercials especially you know with some of the other other games like Valve's Dota 2 and you know those games can go on past an hour where do you cut that I mean listening to you describe it it suddenly occurs to me that my my big block when I read the story was like why are you creating a league there are lots of leagues already why not partner with a league but what you're describing kind of feels like what this really is is a tournament they're just going to do two different tournaments because they are going to have playoffs in a championship I mean why not just call it a tournament then I mean it's almost semantics at that point new leagues kind of pop up all the time for different eSports especially when a new game comes out and and anyone even gets the slightest whiff that it will work as an eSport I mean we saw Rocket League very recently kind of come out seemingly out of nowhere even though apparently it's a sequel and then a couple weeks later there's eSports tournaments happening for it so it's not really anything new it's just kind of finding the money and finding the talent to produce an event like this well let's let's look at it because to me there are two sides of it eight is it work as a television show and B does it work as a as a league because I think Tom you are you're dead right this is a just a tournament but then again what is the NFL but a 16 week round Robin with a playoff decision to find out who wins this shouldn't necessarily be much different do you believe Garrett that this is a success has the little dipping the toes in the water that eSports has done with heroes of the dorm and and some of the other experiments have those been successful on television not in a classic sense no we talked a lot about heroes of the dorm on our hero show into the nexus back when it aired and it averaged about 96,000 viewers when it when it aired on the spn2 which isn't all that great for reference I pulled up like the week before Saturday night what they showed and it was a repeat of a of a of a documentary and it pulled in 310,000 viewers so it wasn't the best thing in the world but it's also not the worst and there's also the demographic to kind of consider the majority dem you know age demographic for eSports is it's millennials it's you know you know early 20s which is a sought-after demographic that apparently according to everything I've read today about the tv s announcement it's a hard demographic to reach but what you have is right now a kind of a probably a not a terrible look for uh for for tbs this is a network that has a fairly successful franchise in king of the nerds this is a a a a network that has done very well programming uh reruns of family guy which does do well with with millennials and network that's available for court cutters on sling tv absolutely and uh you got to imagine that is a platform that they are going to look to explore far more not only on sling tv but also with all these other bundles that are sure to come in the next year and a half for people that are going to buy over set top boxes now the question is is it good as a league or eSports and do we have any sense that the people running this have you know can name their their their butt from their elbow uh when it comes to a very specific and you know more than most a very picky fan base uh that that is is very very very concerned about the product being treated respectfully I believe so now obviously we haven't seen a single episode yet it's not starting until next year so you know time is going to tell we're not really going to know until it comes out but um img who you mentioned was you know the company that was yet brokered this deal with tbs this all started because earlier this year in this past january they bought global eSports management which was the go to eSports uh agency out there that are representing if you if you uh i don't know if you throw a stone and you hit a famous eSports caster chances are global eSports management was representing them trump excuse me was trump or atosis i'm just trying to name artosis yes for sure okay i just wanted to show that i knew two names trump is a player who plays for team solo mit uh but artosis is a famous starcraft caster and uh to my he was uh i'm not sure i'm pretty sure he's still represented by mg but i know he used to be represented by global eSports management um and this is so that all got kicked off when uh global eSports management was picked up in this past january and it doesn't look like they've lost their their talent i know tobias sherman interviewed him a couple times on old podcast of mine he's still working uh with the agency at img and it seems from all the articles i read today because there were a lot of comments from sherman uh that he is still very heavily involved in this and i know he's he's a grassroots eSports fan just like the rest of us uh what what sorry tom go ahead no i was just gonna say i feel like maybe whether it's intentional or not what could happen is this could turn things on its head right the execs at tbs may be sold on the idea of like hey eSports is a burgeoning audience who can reach some kids that we can't reach with other programming let's do this but they did a very smart thing in committing to a very sophisticated and extensive digital product as well i mean i could see this turning into tbs's first entree into becoming a having a parallel digital network where they start to realize well wait a minute the star of this show is the stuff we stream because that's where that audience is we can bundle it up to advertising uh to when we sell advertising with both panels to get people in the door but you know having the tv version of this may end up being a loss leader to get people to sponsor it where all of the viewers are coming on the digital side so just to give you a sense uh my next question that i was going to ask carrot was is counter strike global offensive the game to go with if you are going to run a big mainstream league and then while tom was talking and making an excellent point that i wasn't listening to i decided to do my own reporting and go on to twitch.tv as we record this the number one game that people are watching all a hundred and fourteen thousand plus of them is counter strike global offensive followed by league of legends followed by hearstone so uh that that it seems i mean that that this is right now the king of the mountain in terms of of the sport competition right i mean if you go to twitch any hour of the day it can change depending what's going on now right now dream hack is having their major counter strike open tournament go on and that's why there's so many viewers over there um and i feel like we could probably sit here and debate what the right game for mainstream television is but i think counter strikes a perfectly acceptable one uh i think shooters in general are very easy to understand for the uninitiated because i mean if you shoot a guy they die you you get a point or you move closer to completing your objective and not necessarily point based and counter strike but um yeah i i feel like if you if you were to do something more like one of the mobas especially something like league of legends or dota 2 there's such a deep and heavy meta game that it's maybe a little harder for an uninitiated viewer to come in and and watch it not knowing absolutely nothing and that's also i'm sure i at least i would assume that they're considering on the production side of this thing when they're picking out their casters and deciding exactly how they're going to present this game to a tbs audience okay before we wrap this up they haven't picked the name yet you guys got any ideas for them boom headshot coming up on tbs after conan friday night boom headshot actually it's not bad it's pretty terrible call it that i'll tell you what the one thing looking at that like you said garret you know that you can debate on which is the right one but there's probably a short list of games that you would put on there and just kind of looking at the list of people that are on there uh i i don't see a whole lot that aren't genre other than counter strike everything is either sci-fi or fantasy in theme right the only i mean the only thing i might argue for is is a fighter because i think that's you know it's one person fighting one other person you can see their health bars you can see them landing and blocking hits and it's just kind of instantly understandable but um but i think counter strike is fine and it's had a huge surge in popularity this year all right so let's get to our pick of the day russell has it he says it's pretty likely a lot of you have read william gibson's neuromancer and he recently started listening to it on audible says i feel like we are getting closer to aspects of gibson's vision and its relevance as a bellwether of things to come has perhaps increased in recent years with the increased work on ai the attention it has been getting in the media the audible version includes a recently updated introduction by gibson who points out that one of the key things that he did not predict and incorporate into the narrative was the cell phone see russell says check out the audio book of neuromancer by william gibson and even if you've read it before send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks few emails to get to tim writes the me pad from xiaomi runs a version of the me UI operating system that xiaomi uses in all their devices but it does come with the google play services and the play store he's been using gmail and google mats etc so he says xiaomi do integrate their own cloud services into the us but it's a little bit less like android on fire tv where with fire tv or fire tablets you don't get the google services at all he's like on xiaomi you get you get some xiaomi stuff but you also get some google stuff as well so good thing to think about if you're looking at experimenting with that we talked about the amazon prime pilots with scott johnson yesterday harry miller a c e rodin was very pleased to hear our discussion about the pilots he's editing the pilot edge that's the western and wanted us to know it's one of the best shows he's ever worked on he says it's one of the biggest action shows he's cut especially for tv and amazon has been great in supporting the show's creator shane black freddecker and producer barry josephson thank you for writing in harry that's awesome what there's a western by shane black i am so in yep coming uh they haven't uh put a release date on the pilot yet but it's the whenever they release their autumn pilots that's sorry harry miller just email me personally and we can just talk to her just send me the dropbox and i can watch it tonight that'd be great rough cuts fine yeah that's fine i'll give you you're looking forward to edge as well i was saying i'm actually really looking forward to the man in the high castle oh god me too yeah we're getting the full season of that what is that november i can't remember the 16th i know i've i've been listening to you think it's seeing its praises and i haven't watched the pilot yet uh because i was waiting to see if it got picked up or not yeah it's it's been picked up you're safe although you might you could wait until it actually comes to the full season then you can just watch it all at once uh but yeah i'm very excited for that uh tom and esteemed associates writes rich from lovely cleveland love the discussion with dr kiki on 3d printed sciatic nerves out of curiosity and because i just started working for a medical research institution i looked up some of the other published work of the principal investigator and they all sound equally awesome graphene based wireless bacteria detection on tooth and animal 3d printed quantum dot light emitting diodes nano scale flexo electricity silk based conformal adhesive edible food sensors uh i i want all of these things to become products that i can buy off the shelf i can't wait to see how james bond uses all of these in the next uh james bond feature tyler wrote in response to christian's comment about apple filling vw's void should vwx at the car market tyler thinks it's an issue of trust he writes if apple were to succeed in the car market would be because we trust them they build high quality hark hardware well integrated cutting-edge software have good customer service would we trust google more than vw with our automotive lives you can trust google to build a car navigation system that is the best available in terms of navigation and usability but tyler says i don't know that i trust them to build the hardware well and i certainly don't expect them to protect my data uh do you guys agree with tyler do who do you think is the most trustworthy tech company to get in the car business if any i would go the uh the round of none oh yeah maybe tesla's funny already there that's an easy one yeah yeah of the two i think we have seen more apple hardware that has been impressive than we've seen google produced hardware not google partner hardware there's been a ton of great google partner hardware so if they bought if google bought a car company or or bought tesla or something like that and then you know you put some of their uh self-driving car research into that i think it would be a different story but just by themselves both of them unveil a car tomorrow i'd probably trust the apple one and not by much by the way because either of them have built cars you know i i i have a lot of great apple hardware that i very much enjoy i don't know if it's enough that i would you know want to drive around it i i'm probably just being a stick in the mud but i really feel that apple and google are going to partner with people and google has basically said as much apple hasn't said anything they haven't even admitted they're building a car but i would i would think they would partner with a manufacturer i just can't imagine they wouldn't yeah by the way i hear i've heard like over the last month three just totally unrepeatable urban legend my friend knows a guy apple car stories yeah it is just the new bigfoot of of the bay area he was in the woods up in the hills of oakland i saw him oh it's all so weird too because it's never like oh my buddy works on it it's like i know a guy who works at a thing and turns out they're putting a conveyor belt in oh okay it's like yeah yeah that's amazing uh well there you go uh probably going to see these next year i don't know we'll wait for my prediction show maybe i'll predict that hey uh thank you justin robert young uh for coming back it's good to have you back man oh man it is great to be back i was sorry to be away for so long but now i join you now at the turning of the tide for tech news and uh you can find justin on twitter twitter.com slash justin are young uh keep an eye on the contender because big things are afoot we hear anything to to tell people uh you know we've been saying for the last couple weeks that uh as soon as we get our french run in we're gonna stop selling the politically incorrect decks that's all the cards that we as the game evolved we kind of realized that it was more suited for a family uh to play so we took out all the words all the colorful words that i use on night attack and so many other programs uh we took those out and put them in their own deck so if you want those they're available but you've got to buy them right now because as soon as we put in the order it doesn't really make sense for us to sell them anymore price wise so now's the only time you can get them go to thecontender.us and buy them right now do it do it now uh november 20th is when a man in the high castle will premiere uh garret so nice you and i will be taking that day off i'll be uh i'll be back for my honeymoon that's perfect timing oh good timing well done amazon uh garret winds are also nerd-tacular trivia champion along with myself jenny josephson of ronald delmont uh just sorry about that jesson i mean fine i'm not it's fine the people uh you know the people the people know who the real champion is and who got 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boosted us like 15 points in the itunes ratings and uh the ones of you who did leave a review of we have concerns uh got extra bonus star hearts in in my mind you guys are the best ever keep keep doing it keep doing it keep you know tell me what you think of of jeff and anthony in our reviews on itunes for daily tech news show our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can give us call five one two five nine daily that's five one two five nine three two four five nine listen to the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m eastern at alpha geek radio dot com visit our website daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with the return of darin kitchen and lind pralta talk to you then this show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants dot com that was awesome thank you so much garret thank you i'm sorry i was so quiet at the beginning but i didn't really feel like oh no worries man i just tried to let let it you know where you felt like you had something i didn't want to put you on the spot necessarily uh but the e-sports talk was fantastic no dude yeah that was that would have been not as uh fun if you were not there i'm i'm glad i was super stoked when you asked because uh i'd love this show so i was glad i got to come on um please justin yeah you you yeah i'm doing a solo show now because of you yeah nice good yet but i saw that it was a thing because i've been i've been around how do you like it so far ah it's terrifying but i feel so good after it's posted gotta gotta be bad before it's good like so my lesson my advice before is you just gotta start doing it now that you're doing i can tell you the real story which is like it's gonna be rough initially like oh yeah totally different game and then talking to people and and it's i remember the first like 20 episodes that i did a jury when it was just a sporadic show it's like you hit that moment where you're like oh my god what else do i have to talk about like and it's like this whole wet fear of like and and and eventually you get through it and and you and you use that and you're able to listen to the vibrations of the show by yourself in the same way that you would with other people but i'm so glad you're doing it i am nothing but impressed by by that attempt uh and just in success because i tried to do the real deal on cnet solo and that was with a topic like topics were not the problem i had a topic every week and i still was like this is just too hard uh and it's it's tough you find i've only done two and i'm not doing it live yet on purpose because like you hit these lulls i'm sure you notice when you started just and i'm just like oh crap what is my next thought and how do i how do i parse it i'm so used to some other uh talking head jumping in here yeah normally between dales and jocelyn you know you can't shut them up like you gotta get your own stuff in with a piece of dynamite and a probe like dales i get it you like for all can we it last week you hated it just get in there you gotta jump in but uh thanks for having me guys that was a lot of fun i i will probably be recanting this entire story on morning stream in a few hours yes no welcome to the team by the way yeah yeah very nice i think it's every other week i think i'm doing it we scooped tmspm yeah well i originally was going to get on there and talk about how draft kings is doing like fantasy esports now and then this happened and then this happened yeah like i could talk about that for it to be different but this is absolutely the biggest news of the month talk about draft kings real quick absolutely man with football here they've apparently become the only advertiser for all of like it it's it's come to the point with football where i'm like man remember when they had beer commercials that was a fun morning beer commercials on football games that's crazy now uh now it's all fandoms and draft kings and basically all of their their entire pitch is as if they're introducing you to gambling for the first time yep like it's draft kings is simple all you do is put money on a sporting event and then the sporting event becomes interesting i think it's kind of smart though because like you gotta figure the people who already knew what that stuff was we're already doing it and they don't need it sold to them i well exactly but it's like it says almost they're waiting they're trying to soak up anybody left that's like man that sounds like gambling and then draft kings goes like well i don't know gambling is not a problem unless it's a problem so come to draft kings you find out if it's a problem it's just it's like there is there's an ad where it's literally a testimonial of a guy and he's like i used to find things boring and now when i when i've selected a player on draft kings for money all of a sudden it's interesting and it's like from a fan of gambling addicts it's like but yes we all know you're brilliant they're brilliant they legalize gambling and it's the best thing ever uh by the way i'm going to go with dr pain suggestion and title the show boom headshot at least something will be called i thought that was the the worst thing i said this entire show it was also it was at the same time the worst and the best thing that you said uh all right guys well uh night attack is at three o'clock so in uh roughly 45 minutes but it's not night at three there's a brine brush would stand right there going in the afternoon wtf i was asking if you were in after show yeah we're in after show oh shoot brine's there i want to interrupt the actual show although that would be a great thing like i'll just sit there like i got a new catchphrase it's that's some news so wait is brian just living at your place now that's some news can you hear them or do you turn turn up the speaker so brian are you just staying with tom now yeah he just lives here now is he just like the third wheel no they added him in the later seasons like cousin oliver you know yeah brian's always been here what are you talking about well was it cousin oliver because wait which one was oliver was it uh it was a different strokes that was um no cousin oliver was the brady bunch yeah it's because all the kids all the kids got older none of them were cute anymore if we get a cute kid marsha marsha marsha uh all right so i i think that's really weird bye bye there you go oh i could watch that all day hey brian hey gary how's it going in garret was dropping some e-sports knowledge on us all right on good stuff finally reveal what the e stands for he stands for expert expert when you're talking about garret somehow i have a funny feeling that's about to be gift it is now yep give it whoa thanks again for having me on i'm gonna go bye gary thank you okay thanks garret what needs to happen is someone just like ah she's good yeah you took the thing away what needs to happen roger nothing i was just saying you need to trip him so he tips over all right now i need to edit the podcast yeah more of this on night attack following day's daily tech news show on most of these diamond club stations okay what just happened okay everybody got quiet oh sorry all the fun people left it's just us regulars now no just us grumps how am i a grump no i speak it for myself only in tom yeah that's fine you could i tom accepts the grump mantel uh roger is our sunshine yes if rogers are optimists we're all in a lot of fucking trouble oh are we still live i'm sorry yes we are oh goes the dynamite headshot that's rather insulting oh come on i'm not cynical i people say i'm cynical i'm not realistic i just know how people work yeah thank i've had to deal with them my entire life i believe in people roger and they always will go until the zombie apocalypse then melt reminder i'm out tomorrow and monday tomorrow or on monday okay yes all prepared you have to go to a feral's or something tomorrow i'm all prepared to do work oh is it feral's fairs feral's that ice cream parlor with straw hats oh um fentons no not fentons feral's the old they used to be in chain they used to play the organ you play the organ no no i know i've been to fence much but i'm just gonna keep saying fentons fentons was the one and up it's f double a r or f a double r e l l apostrophe s feral why do ice cream parlors have like stuck in the in the dixie era of the teens is that when ice cream became famous or something no it's because that's when they pulled out the straw hats and gave you a show like a vaudeville show while you ate ice cream you don't remember did you have a you were you raising the east coast uh i was raised in illinois not you i know where you came from i was raised in the upper west side of manhattan yes so there were feral's at least in new jersey at the time you mean friendlies no feral's so maybe i i don't think all that feral's remember saying they remember feral's i don't remember feral's they they were big in the 80s and then they died out because i think chuckie cheese killed them or something but they used to have a big thing where they gave you if you had a birthday they would give you a big ice cream sunday with uh sparkler candles and they would come out and sing happy birthday to you i feel like this is totally describing an ice cream shop we used to go to in kentucky when we'd vacation kentucky lake and i wonder if that was a feral's it's it's a yeah it was a chain and then it it fell out and then it just recently came back in the past six years they opened one up out in not long beach somewhere in la let me see really we're going to the one in sacramental the one in uh southern california is brea downtown buena park mission viejo riverside rancho cucamonga santa clarita that's that's all they have all right uh well that's all i have to i am going to clear out of here for night attack coming up next wow from this very chair on the bricks all right thanks everybody bye bye and goodbye