 Yeah. Yeah. I'm still finishing a snack. So I'm going to shut off my screen until after that. Okay. I'm going to make it co-host. Sarah's coming in. That looked like all we're expecting for committee members today. I think so. Okay. Well. You had a slight. Yeah. So. So we're actually. Posting. Time. Conflict. So we actually posted on one location for 30. On the calendar. And then on the. Rest of the calendar. It actually said. Five o'clock. So when I'm. Doing right now essentially is stalling a little bit to see. If we have anybody show up at five o'clock. For public comment. And then you'll answer any of those questions. During the public comment period. Do. Does anybody at this point in the committee. Have any questions. Regarding the. Site visit. I don't have any. So. According to master law chapter. Seven. Communities are always required to. Have a public. Shearing. When removing healthy public. And that's what this is. This hearing is for today. To discuss the proposed removal. Of a. Norway maple. And umbrella. Magnolia. In front of. 225. Sorry. Long address. 197. South pleasant speech. Mark. If you want to. Again. You know. Go over the. The project that you're working on. And the proposal to remove the trees. And what. Trees that you were proposing to replace. Sure. My name is Mark Andrews. I'm a senior project manager at Amherst college. And the adjacent construction project is. What we call the lyceum. It's an academic project. It's an academic project. And the adjacent project is what we call the lyceum. It's an academic building for our history department and our center for humanistic inquiry. What we're doing is adding to the existing building at 197. So pleasant street. To the south and to the west. When the new building. That houses most of the academic and office functions associated with the history and G. The, the existing residents. Which there used to be two was now one. You can see one. Used to have driveways that went out straight on the south pleasant street. Of the two residences in question. 205 South pleasant street. I believe it's the building that we moved. And that is now down on Baker street. We get the exact house number, but. That was moved last summer, I believe. By Barry Roberts. And that was an adaptation to avoid. Demolition because our addition. Basically went right up to the building. The remaining structure 197 South pleasant street also used to have a driveway that went right out on south pleasant street. Both these driveways will be discontinued. And that kind of gives us the opportunity to create. Kind of a nice streetscape, a nice greenway along the road. In looking at this, we looked pretty collaboratively. With a, with DPW. To address an existing accessibility problem at the Walnut street crosswalk. Walnut street crosswalk. Is sort of sunken down. Three or four feet. From south pleasant street. So what actually happens is if you were to cross the street from campus. You cross over at an elevation. Drop about three feet. And then you have to sort of work to get that three feet of elevation back again. So. In consultation with Jason skills at DPW. And Berkshire design. We sort of came up with this idea to take that crosswalk and push it towards south pleasant street. And what that effectively does is it means you don't have to go down to fight to come back up again. And in terms of accessibility, it makes it a whole lot better. But taking that crosswalk and pushing it toward south pleasant street. Puts the route. Square Lee through the existing Norway maple. So that's kind of the background. On why we're coming to you and why we're asking to. Take out these couple of trees and put in a few more. Sweet gum trees. And create. What we think is going to be a beautiful street skate. Does the committee have any questions. Thank you. Ellen, did you say they're proposing to. Move the trees, the Norway maple and the Magnolia. It was a remove the trees. It was. Just remove, not. Not replant. Well, they are going to replant. They are proposing for sweet gums. Along that stretch of them. Right. I just thought I heard you say moving the trees. So. Thank you. As of note, the southern tree is a Norway maple. Northern trees and Magnolia. Any other questions from the committee. Right. In an attempt to continue this conversation until five o'clock. I will just add in the tree orders. Consideration on this. I, you know. The Magnolia, the umbrella Magnolia is, you know. It seems to be growing. The significant, you know, tree for its Magnolia species. It's a large diameter. There's to be relatively healthy. Has a. A lot of cavities in there. Seems to be growing. Rather rapidly and producing a lot of good. New. Wood to replace the old. It's never going to be a large. Shade tree. So it's not going to. You know, provide a lot of significant shade in that area to the street. The nori maple. Here's to be pretty healthy. I couldn't identify any significant issues with it structurally. Seems to be growing just fine. It is a nori maple. So it is an invasive species. And I always. You know, It's an opportunity to replace the nori maple. If can, if we can. So I, you know, Losing a nori maple, even though it is a larger tree, and this provides significant. Shading there and streetscape. You know, framing the street in the sidewalk. I do lean more towards. Shade trees. Shade trees. So. There are four sweet comes there, which grow to be large shade trees. That. Is a plus in my, in the long-term. Streetscape. And in the overall tree canopy. You know, for that area. So. I must admit that I am in favor of. Of losing an ori maple. Again, Magnolia does not. It will never be a large shade tree. It will never be a large shade tree. You can go in for future generations. Is a good thing. My opinion. Though it is. It is a beautiful tree when it flowers. And it's definitely provides something to the streetscape. So. I have less. Feel less strongly about moving that tree. If it doesn't interfere with the project. I could. I could see leaving it. And trying to get the other trees planted and growing. Mark, did you have any, I mean, I know the sidewalk. Changes you are proposing to do in your plan here. Doesn't even impact the. Magnolia, according to these drawings. That's pretty much true still with the Magnolia. So. There is no construction impact. Plan for the Magnolia. So. No, there isn't any building or pavement impact to the Magnolia. Not like there is for the Norway. Okay. And so the. I don't think it's appropriate to make the streetscape. You know, for richer. At some point in time to share sweet coms. Sure. I saw, I saw some clarification from Lauren Stimson. Our landscape architect. And she was in agreement that the Magnolia is a great tree. She just thinks it's in the wrong place. But it's really not appropriate for a street scape tree. Did she say why that is. I did not get that deep into conversation with Lauren. My apologies. I believe she just. Yeah, I honestly couldn't, couldn't do her argument justice. She wasn't available for this evening. It would be a good understory tree if you were trying to plant something underneath a power line or something like that. We didn't want one that grew too tall. There are no power lines on that side of the street. I have a question. Just as a, since we were talking about native versus non-native with the Norway, so the proposed trees are American sweet gums. Is that right? Correct. And those are not technically native to this portion of New England. Correct. It's more Southern Connecticut and further south. So it would be the replacement. So we would have an invasive non-native with a noninvasive, non-native basically, but it would still not be native trees. Correct. It would just not be an invasive species. It's a good question. It's technically non-native, but. With the climate changing, it will soon be a native. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Nori maple 10 tends to be, but not always tends to be a relatively short-lived trees. Most of Nori maples that were planted. You know, 60 years ago or already aging out and declining around town. And the Nori maple is there. You know, probably 40 years old or 30 years old, something like that. It's based on its size. I'm curious about the choice of the sweet gum. It's not as sweet as the sweet gum. It's not as sweet as the sweet gum. It's not as sweet as the sweet gum. It's not as sweet as the sweet gum. But it's pods. It's pretty messy. For like being under a sidewalk. Just curious why that decision was made for that tree. I think that the character of the sweet gum, it did actually not go unnoticed by our landscape department. So it's it's probably worthwhile saying. I don't know why that happens, but I do know that our grounds department has been maintaining this parcel of the town's land. For as many years as anyone I talked to you could remember. So it didn't go unnoticed that the sweet gums could get a little messy. But that was sort of a liability that our landscape department was. Was fine. Yeah. And just to clarify, I do believe. It is the responsibility of the adjacent property owner, correct me if I'm wrong. Maintain the area in between the sidewalk in the street, not the tree in that area, but just like mow the grass and clip the weeds in that. Yeah, I believe we've been taking care of the tree. That's my understanding. Okay. Yeah. The town is responsible for we have been, you know, we do remove the trees when they die along that stretch of road. They. We generally do prune them if they get too low in the road and create. Instructing the roadway. There was college does maintain. Essentially all the way down to the bike trail. All that green space. On both sides of the road is actually part of the main common. And over a hundred years ago, there is some kind of packed me between the town and the college at the college to maintain all that land. The tree warden still has jurisdiction over those trees. So, they do all of the. Mowing and maintenance. Fall cleanup. And for proportion that they actually do pay contractors to prune the trees in that area. We have nine minutes till five o'clock. So we'll see if there are no other questions or. Have other questions that may not be directly related to the. I could talk for nine minutes as a, as a former. Grass mower in my youth. I could talk, grew up in Louisiana. I could talk for 10 minutes about how much I hate sweet gum pods. If you want me just to riff on that. I could go. I'll spare you though. Yeah. Every southern person I talked to. They don't have a lot of nice things to say about sweet gums. My dad would be, my dad would be appalled to think that anybody's proactively doing that. But. The landscapers that animals college say go. For me to disagree. It does seem kind of strange. It does seem kind of strange to me on a very highly trafficked area. And as a. I've been biker. I certainly don't want to be biking over those. Sharp. Seed pods. I just, I guess I kind of wish there was another native. I don't know. They're just really messy and kids like to throw them at each other. So it just seems like a, a poor choice. I mean, I. As tree warden, you know, if, if. They are given permission to remove the trees and desire to plant new trees, I'd be happy to work with their landscape architect to come up with a species that would kind of create the same effect. But not necessarily be a sweet gum. I mean, I. I think Lauren would be open to something like that. Measure given take like they were not wild about you taking out the trees, but if you can plant something other than a sweet gum, that makes it a little better. One. Go ahead. I was going to say the sweet gums are, you know, being recommended as replacement for sugar maple because they have a very similar crown and size and. They have a nice fall color. And so they are, you know, something that is being planted more and more around here. Julie. As do the sweet gum trees. Cause issues for like when the town goes to. Do the sidewalk or street sweep the street. They're having all those little. Leaves down. They're having all those. Leaves down. Or that. Seeds. So I mean, again, Amherst college maintains. They actually plow that sickness sidewalk. The town does not. And they do maintain the grounds there. They. Our street sweeper does go through there when they sweep, but often. The Amherst college grounds crew are sweeping the curbs around the street. Great. Oaks are, you know, there are some white Oaks over there and the Oaks also drop a corn. And, you know, we do have native trees that drop lots of things that many people find annoying. The button ball tree or sweet gum. Sycamores and London plain trees. Of course, just nuts. So it's not uncommon in a new England. It's not a great. The large trees. I'm not, I'm just a little bit mightily about that. Grass slope across the street, but not so much about the remnants of the trees. The grass slope apparently is no job. Yeah. No kidding that. And then you have kids sliding down into the road in the winter. Actually have a robotic lawnmower. Because there were too many injuries, people trying to. I think that looks like the Mars rover going up and down the hill. That's neat. Yeah. I know. I've had some discussion with some of your. It was college landscaping crew. Our department about. Planting. You know, continuing the planting of that area up and down. To ref. You know. Develop a large tree canopy along the whole stretch of road. So. And also on. Some. Opportunity to coordinate on the route nine North Hampton road project. Once they're done with that. Planting a lot of trees on them. That's the only college property. To replace the trees that are lost. So it was college is definitely a. A friend. They're always speaking to trees. We do. We do actually have a pretty long list. We have a six year old town. DPW and, and you Alan. Yeah, it's actually. You start, you start sort of itemizing the overlap. And. And how we communicate back and forth. It's, it's actually pretty good. It's really good. Yeah. Bigger than UMass? Yes. A lot of open space, a lot of farm fields. He feels. Forced areas. Is owned by. Three minutes to go. I also need to reach out to Amherst college. About the, uh, Don Redwood's over on Woodside. Town has to fix us dorm drain there. Um, I need to prune those. Don Redwood so that the branches aren't going to get broken by the excavators. I believe those are any of us college. Yeah. I saw an email go between Jason and Aaron Hayden today. And I think, um, Aaron referenced Jason back to Kenny. Lawsier in the grounds department. Okay. About trimming those trees. Yeah. Jason called me today about that. Um, We didn't, um, we kept the tree tour just to the downtown area. When we do the brochure, when we finally do the brochure. Well, um, that'll be on the extension. We have a couple of extension ideas. I live next to those trees and people stop literally every day to marvel at them and wonder what they are. Um, Good trees to nominate, nominate for heritage trees or champion trees. So. Yeah. One is a right be right at the neighborhood bus stop. And when they came this morning to do their dig safe work, they said they had considered taking it down. And then when they looked at the Google earth image, they decided to leave the tree. So that's what Jason met. He said in his email, he didn't want to ruin the bus stop. Yeah, that's the bus stop. They all wait for the bus in the, in the one, the larger of the two trees on the south, the southern most tree. Yeah. We'll have to make sure not to prune them so they lose their, uh, climbing. Yes, that would be great. So the tree, the tree that was moved. That's now at the football field, I guess. Um, is that a heritage tree too? I forget. Yeah. The camper down Elm. Yes, that's it. I don't know if it is. There's some huge ones that you mass also. I'm sure Julian is on it right now, nominating trees all over. Yeah, that was really actually quite the interesting presentation. I've been exploring it a lot. We have five o'clock. Give it a few minutes to see if anybody comes in. Is there any chance that Magnolia can be moved? Or is it too big to transplant? That is a great question. Um, I thought about that. Um, and it is probably possible to move. Um, It would be a pretty big project. Um, And I was trying to think of where we would put it. We could keep it alive, you know, have enough water and stuff to keep alive. Um, I think if it. I don't know if, um, Um, I think it would be really expensive. We did look at it with Lauren. Um, and it really wound up being on the edge of what you could do with a reasonable chance of it surviving. And it was going to be really expensive. You know, it's, you know, as an arborist, you see, you know, you see plenty of. Presentations on moving large trees and it's really great. Um, And if you can succeed, if you put the money into the follow-up maintenance, uh, to keep them well watered and, um, And pruned over the years following. Um, There is a potential to air spade out around the roots and blow all the soil off during the dormant season. Um, We did move a large beach tree that way. And the, um, The, um, The same, um, The same, um, The same diameter of each. Um, As sort of an experiment that someone gave the town. Maybe you're going to cut it down or, um, We were going to move it. And so we said, let's try it. And it's still alive. It's, it's on. Cushman common. It's not doing well. It had some damage. To the cambium. Um, Early spring when the park was very, uh, tender. So that would be an interesting move. And we have all the time for that too. It's not really a specimen tree that you would. Want to move. Yeah. So I don't see anybody else coming in. Yeah. I don't know. Ben it's here, but without his, uh, camera on, but he wasn't at the, um, Slide to this is that he didn't want to vote anyway. Okay. Well, you can vote even though he's hearing presentation. It told him that. Okay. There he is. You're muted though. No, I appreciate the option. Sorry about that. I'll always vote against, I'll always vote against weak guns, but I don't, if I, I'd rather not vote on this one. I apologize for missing the, the, the site visit. So does the committee want to go ahead and open up your meeting to vote? I can temporarily close the tree hearing. You can have a discussion and then a vote and a recommendation for the free one. Sure, yeah. Okay. So not seeing any other attendees joining the discussion at 5.05, I'm going to temporarily close the tree hearing. And we'll open it up after the Shady Committee votes on a recommendation for the tree award. Tree hearing is temporarily closed. Does anybody want to make a motion? Or is there any discussion about this? Don't all answer at once. I don't think I'm, I'm not a voting member, so I'm just keep my mouth shut. I think you can still make a motion. You just can't vote. So if you have a motion, well, I make a motion that we request both trees be saved. Even if it means not doing the sidewalk, I think having, even though it's a no way maple and the other one may be better in a different location, they're there, they're shade trees. It's an area that needs shade. And I think it's our duty as a committee to save those trees. So. I'll second that. Any other comments? All right, let's take a vote. All in favor. What's that? I was gonna say we could put something in the motion about deliberating on the type of trees to be planted with the tree warden. Maybe there's an alternative to sweet gums that could be explored because there would still be two trees planted even if the trees are saved, right? Or, or some, some trees, presumably street trees would be planted even if the two trees are saved. So we could ask that Lauren just have a conversation with Alan to see if there's something else that would, that would work. Unlike Bennett, I like sweet gum trees and I wouldn't mind having sweet gum trees there. We could take an opinion on that, but mine is, you know, the opposite of Bennett's on that. And I would, my one asked, it was college if they're still interested in planting all four trees or two trees. If they don't get a chance to fix the sidewalk. Mark, do you want to? Yeah, sure. Am I allowed to talk now? I kind of thought I was on mute. You can talk, our hearings are open. Oh, okay. Yeah, I have had Lauren come by. She came by last weekend to take a look at it and explore possibilities of a partial answer. I do not have anything to present and could not make a promise to you at this point. Alan, do you still need to approve any trees to go in? Yes. If the trees are being planted in the public way, it would be approved by me. So we can have a say at that point. Yes. You're talking about say it in species. Yeah. Which is to Sarah's point. So Sarah, can we leave that out of the motion then? Yeah. Yeah. That answers that question. Okay. So if there's not anything else to say, Alan, in favor of the motion to save both trees, raise your hand. All opposed. So forward to nothing and one abstention. Alan, back to you. Okay. Well, do you want to read me the X? So just can you read me the recommendation? Did anybody vote it out? I recommend that we vote to keep both trees that are there now. Did I say more than that? You did. Actually, you ran into a long reason why you wanted to save them, which is... Because having shade trees in place is worth a lot more than starting from scratch with smaller trees. That's basically what I was saying. I said, even though the species we would choose, the Noray Maple in particular, since they are healthy public shade trees and they provide shade in an area that needs it, I voted that I motion that we should save those trees. Is that what everyone agreed to? Yeah. I have to say, since I screwed up the time and I was standing there for 45 minutes waiting for the site visit, I was just sort of dumbfounded why these two beautiful healthy trees were slated for removal. So I just couldn't figure it out. All right. Henry, do you want to close your meeting then? We'll close the public shade tree committee hearing. We'll go back to the tree warden's tree hearing. Okay. So at 511, I'm going to open back up the tree hearing for the removal of two trees, 197 South Pleasant Street. So it's a great discussion. Thank you, the shade tree committee. And as I'm thinking, if folks really want to save those trees, there isn't going to be any impact from the construction on the umbrella pine, sorry, the umbrella magnolia. And I guess I could work, I could look at trying to accomplish the sidewalk improvement by preserving the no-remaple and pruning it for the clearance and working to minimize the root impact. If the tree then dies, the time would need to take it down and work on replanting at that point in time along the stretch of road there. Mark, what are your, as far as the sidewalk project goes, do you believe that it would be feasible to get the sidewalk in there, even though we're going to do significant root damage to the tree and at some point in time when the tree declines and dies, it would then be removed? We can certainly look at it, Alan. I can tell you it's impossible to avoid the canopy, right? So presumably we're going through the root zone and I would leave that probability. I'm an architect by profession, not an arborist. So, probability of survival is not my domain, but yeah, we can certainly look at that with you. What I'd like to see is we've never really got an opportunity to see where the sidewalk actually would need to be. Grading states out there and knowing where the sidewalk is going in relation to the tree's roots. We can prune that the tree canopy to make room for the sidewalk and construction equipment. But again, I just don't know, based on these drawings, how? The Google Earth image shows fairly clearly that the canopy, and I'm assuming the root falls, the root zone's the same as the canopy, extends from over the sidewalk to the curb. So obviously, we came up with the problem by taking out the Norway and putting in the new tree. And I don't, I mean, if you wanted to try and save the Norway, I couldn't, I would let Lauren answer that question. Yeah. Can we ask that flexible pavers be used? Well, the flexible pavers still need a base, just not as much base. So you're talking about the rubberized surface as used in areas that town be experimenting with on the calligraph around the big tree. Yeah. So I guess what I, you know, in an ideal world where I didn't have to go through another whole tree hearing and posting and going through that, that in an ideal world, what I would like to do is say, let's investigate saving the tree. And if we can get the sidewalk laid out with some stakes and get some idea on how much fill or cut is gonna take place around the root zone under the canopy. If it looks like we can keep the tree, then we'll keep it. If it looks like it's going to be too severely impacted, then I would give permission to Amherst College to take it down at their expense and to pay into the replacement fund for new trees and to work with them to plant new trees along that stretch. For the time being, keep the magnolia. We'd leave the magnolia, now remove it at this time. I mean, I personally, just a comment that I'd like to make is I personally like the sidewalk right where it is. I think it adds to the streetscape that is nice for anyone biking down there to go from town to the bike trail or into that neighborhood or into Amherst College. And I personally think the sidewalk is nice being a little back from a busy street. I agree it is nice sidewalk wall back from the road. It is for anybody who is differently abled that little section there. Once you leave on that street, heading uphill, that's tough. It's tough in the wintertime when it's snowy and icy for people. I don't live on the street, I don't walk it daily. I know they're working on a traffic pattern to get people from the campus side to that side of the street. And this seems to do that. It will change how people coming from further south heading into town will have to cross over the sidewalk there. So I think, Mark, would you be willing to investigate further keeping the Norway Maple? Yeah, sure, we'll take a look at it. If it looks like we're just gonna impact too severely the route sound then I'm gonna give you permission to take it down. I think part of the college hesitancy is it's not our tree. And we wouldn't wanna take a risk with it. And this is a risk. But yeah, we can certainly look at, we've done aerospace before, we've done different things. And yeah, we can talk that through with you. Okay, so my decision then is gonna be to keep the Magnolia and to work to save the Norway Maple if it can't be saved and college will pay to take down and paying to the replacement tree replacement. Okay, at that time then I'm gonna close this part of the tree hearing. We're gonna move on to McClellan Street. Mark, thank you for your time today. Thank you very much, everybody. Thanks. All right, so, Henry, do you see anybody from the general public interested in the McClellan Street tree hearing? There's nobody else on. We lost one of our people, who do we lose? No, we lost Mark, right? All right, so anybody have any questions about the removal of the trees on McClellan Street? It's the white line, can you hear no questions? Does the committee, does anybody need to hear why we're proposing to take them down? Not everybody was at the site visit. I kind of, I know how I'm gonna vote, but I would like to hear since I missed it, if that's okay. Okay, so on the town is replacing the sidewalk all along McClellan Street, from North Pleasant Street over to Lincoln. The four white pine trees there are busting up the sidewalk and causing significant damage to the sidewalk, the hazards, in order to replace the sidewalk, our 10 engineers are pretty confident that they're going to need to sever the roots in order to do that. Even if we do the rubberized surface on some of those trees, it would be a very short temporary fix and the roots would still continue to damage the rubberized surface going forward. As tree warden, they are a problem tree for me. They continually drop branches, especially in the winter time. We do get complaints about pitch and things falling on cars that parked there during the year. They have caused significant, I would say significant, they have caused damage to service drops to the houses in there when the branches fail. They are, in my opinion, absolutely the wrong tree for that location. The grass belt there is maybe three feet and they are busting up, busting through the soil up on, rowing into the air because they've run out of root zone against the curb. It's a classic scenario in those pictures where you see an entire root plate of a tree that has been blown over. In this particular scenario, they would blow over towards the house because they have no roots left really holding structurally on the roadside. So the entire rectangular root plate would lift up and the whole tree would fall over towards the houses. So I'm in big favor of removing those trees and working with the neighbors to plant new trees along the street that won't cause these issues. What sorts of trees might those be? I don't know, you don't know yet, but yeah, so I mean, I think in that area, we could get some red maple, possibly some oak on the other side of the road where there's lots of planting space for large trees to grow. That's probably where we'd be putting those. On that side where the white pines are, if you can get trees planted in the setback, you'd want to make sure it's something that wouldn't be overpruned by the utility company because the power lines do run down that side of the street. So, medium-sized trees or trees that have strongly upright and not spreading an opportunity. And have we heard anything, has the community sent us any emails or any, we've received any sort of feedback on this, the possible plan? I did get an email from a Marsha Hurtl, Hurtl. Of 318 Lincoln Ave as a pedestrian, and I quote, who regularly walks along the sidewalks between Lincoln Ave and Pleasant Street. I'm in favor of removal of the large pine trees that have been posted. Clearly they have grown too large for the space and they block the street lighting as well as making the sidewalks difficult to navigate. That was the only email I received in favor or opposed to those trees. Thank you. And we didn't receive anything to the committee email. So would the committee like to kind of close the tree here at this point, the committee can open up your meeting to make a wish. So I'm going to close the tree hearing temporarily at 525. Somebody want to make a motion other than me? Sure. I move that the town may take down all four white pine trees under the condition that once the sidewalk and sidewalk accessibility work is done, we look into planting new trees in that location. Any discussion of that? Go ahead Ben. A precluded discussion. Sorry, I didn't hear that. I was going to second the motion, but I did not want to preclude any discussion. Well, we usually discuss after a second, but I wasn't in my formal. So any discussion now that it's been seconded? I agree with removing the trees. Should we vote? Okay, all in favor of the motion to remove all four trees on the condition that other planting gets done after the project is done? Raise your hand. So five to nothing we voted to accept the removal of those trees. All right. You'll close your meeting then, I guess. The meeting is closed at 526. We'll open the meeting at 526. Continue the tree hearing meeting, excuse me. All right, so just to make this quick, I will recommend the removal of those trees as requested by TPW. We're going to work with the SHHU committee to plant that street all up and down the Collins Street. Sounds good to me. Thank you. Thank you. And one quick question that doesn't affect my vote at all, but is that a spot where, you know, we've noted in some parts of town that it makes sense to plant really larger trees to avoid students removing them in the middle of the night or whoever. Is that, I don't, I don't, I know, I feel like I under, I don't know from experience, but McClellan is kind of another late night avenue. I think more of a question than a recommendation. I don't, do you have any thoughts about whether these would be larger trees or the normal sized trees? That is a great question. And I hadn't really thought about that, but you are right. That is sort of a major thoroughfare for students. Good portion of them will hopefully be planted in the setback, so they're not going to be directly in the line of traffic. But I would look into that. I could, you know, come up with a planting plan and see what we have for money and what we can afford to get, what size trees we can afford to get for that. Thank you. Thank you. Something with thorny bark grass. I had some sweetgums. They'll never want to walk there at night again. You can wrap them with poison ivy too. Could use the non, no, you'd use the barbed honey locust tree. Two to three inch barbs on it. I feel like we need to put some raspberries at the bottom of them too. This meeting's taking a dark turn. We do have to get over to our other meeting, which is a different link, so if we could finish this up soon, it would be good. Okay, so I'm going to close the tree hearing at this point and you can turn over to the public tree meeting. All right, so it's a different link. We have to leave this meeting and then you have to, somebody has to open up the other meeting. I guess that's me. That's right. See you soon.