 Today's episode contains some graphic topics So I've taken out as many of the graphic words as I possibly can the foul language But you won't have any problems figuring out what's going on All right, here we go Today we're gonna talk about brother Bilal. We're gonna break down his body language and tell you what we think about it Greg tell us about the videos we're gonna watch Yeah, so this was from an interview with Tasha Kaye and this is brother Bilal apparently has known Will Smith for 38 years most of that being his friend and he's got a lot of kind of explosive things to say about Jada Pinkett Smith and Will Smith and This video went on for a long time and there's a lot of language in here. We're gonna clean up So get ready for some missing words So was there was will the one that stepped out of his marriage and what Jada didn't really have Yeah, it was it was be herself. Yeah I mean they were already going through it because there were some alleged things that said that um, You know Cherie court will embed with Benny Medina. So yeah, Benny Medina Benny Medina's who the Fresh Prince of Bel Air is based off And he's a you know big talent manager, you know, he had J. Lo Puffy a bunch of him He had will at one point and you know, he's a known homosexual as well, you know, and you know, he presents that so Yeah, did you ever talk to Cherie about that to get confirmation um, well, I didn't need confirmation because you know I saw the interaction between will and Benny Medina. So it's a it's a funny What was their interaction? So this is crazy. So now here's the scene I'm coming from Philly the streets of Philly, but I'm coming back and forth to Los Angeles, right? So they're called that entertainment culture is different. Yeah, so I know you don't drink. No, no Okay, go ahead and So I'm hanging out at the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, you know as I do when I go out there and you know, I'm in will's dressing rooms a bunch of guys from Philly or whatever the case may be and You know Benny Medina Hollis down a hall will I'm gonna come see you in a minute So, you know So he comes up there in a few minutes and he pokes his lips out like he's gonna kiss will right and I'm like Oh, man, I gotta beat it out as do I do we do we pack them like all right? Well, I'll just wait cuz I'm you know, I don't know this culture, right? And we'll kiss this guy on the lips in front of you in front of everybody nobody does nothing and I'm like No, no, I'm just thinking I'm like a deer with the headlights. I'm like nobody Did y'all just see and where I'm from, you know, that's not common. Maybe out in California So it's a culture and Billy and then he white right? I know Benny Medina's black, but he's a very light fair skin Okay, I was like, he's white. No, no. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yep. Okay. I mean, Medina is definitely And so you saw him with your own eyes with my own eyes. Was it a poker? Yeah, of course. It was it was a kiss I went with no long romantic movie kiss, but he kissed that man and and I'm like Nobody now this is before I work with well, okay, you were just coming back and I was coming back, you know He was married to his first wife charade and but talking to Jada but at this time it's like Like it's it's just weird it's hard as it's it's hard to explain But now with the knowledge and information I have because what I did in the book was To pull more research was I hired two Greg what do you got? So he starts off with some great illustrators and moving his hands We say that Bray says the more larger and better your illustrators and by that we mean the way your body punctuates your thoughts Then the more likely you're telling the truth look at him. He says back and forth He's illustrating or chase you'll talk about body narration, but this illustrator is narrating his story his eyes enlarged when he's asked watch his eyes blow up when he's asked about will and this guy Bidina and We'll see this you expect there's something shocking your eyes blow up and look Oversized because you got some residual emotion now if we don't see that then we wonder why we'll see as we play through these videos What that means his elbows are up and away from his body when he's describing the setup about when this happened His body illustration is effeminate when he's talking about Bidina that all fits his story. It's really good illustration There's a bunching of his brow or furrowing of his brow it when he kissed a man That appears to show some emotion that he would have so all residual again thumbs and fingers are extended and away from each other That's a good indicator that he's got confidence in this story And then he's adapting as he talked about how hard it is to understand But then he comes back out to open when he says I need to do more research So right out of the gate for me This is believable that he saw Will Smith kiss a guy. Does that mean he had a homosexual affair? Don't know but I don't understand the situation don't know anything about that But I think this guy's telling us what he believes he saw Mark. What do you got? Yeah, so having been an actor all over the world. I've kissed a lot of guys and it's very normal It's very very ordinary. That's the way that's the way it is. That's that's actors That's the way we can be sometimes So but from you from Greg's description there, you know, like there's there's a there's a lot of movement in there There's a lot of descriptors in there sounds pretty good But then for me the hands come together in this steepling motion This is a gesture that has to be learned. It has to be one that you put on on purpose When was the time ever that you looked at you know a child growing up and you went oh my god They've started to steeple already, you know, they're doing it look they've they've developed to steepling It's not it's not a gesture that anybody Develops at all. It's put on so, you know to your point Greg. Yeah, absolutely. There's you know, there is some Veracity I think in him saying he saw in Hollywood a guy kiss a guy Yeah, I mean that's gonna happen every day whether they're homosexual or not homosexual That's going to happen in Hollywood Hollywood odd place odd place and we'll get more into that as we go as we go along But why does he need this? Throughout much of the telling and we're not gonna see this disappear a great deal Why is he locked down into this? 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This is the most shocking thing we've heard so far about will since the big slap happened a couple of years ago And which and which makes this a pretty big deal When I hear something like this, it reminds me of a UFO story or a Bigfoot story Because it sounds so outlandish. It sounds impossible. It sounds like right out of the gate You're like what and you can even tell it's affecting Tasha Kaye the same way She's like I can hardly believe this because it sounds so big but Sometimes these things are so detailed when they're Not true that you can you actually see the minutia of things happening I know this guy says he was there and all that But the sincerity and the vigor that this thing was delivered with that that's what he gives me a heads up About that something might not be right here with what he what he's talking about So let's talk about his behavior Overall his body language is open his illustrators are on point and their time dwell and his voice is strong His cadence is as fairly solid his tone is good Everything sounds the way it should sound his blink rates fairly solid and he adapts to that little touch to his face But his leg keeps going up and down. So he's doing some adapting in there. He's moving moving around a little bit And those are stress cues especially when the part about Benny Medina comes up. That's when we start seeing all those things really start happening the most So what's interesting to me here is that very? Barrier ring of his hands in front of him. He's sort of but everything stays low at this point It changes in the next video or so But his video is hands are almost locked down to the table They move a little bit but the this part of his forearm is is almost stuck to the table That that gives me pause as well So quite often when you see someone with their with their fingers together like this that lets us know that they're probably not as Confident as they should be with whatever they're telling us if it was something that was true Or they're trying to get some information across it's important or something we should trust because The more space you have between your fingers the more confidence you usually have that's that's the way we see it So I'm seeing a few little cues here They're showing stress and not much confidence as he's saying this Especially with that barrier sitting there from as well So that that's two and one there a barrier and his fingers aren't very far apart at all. They're sort of stuck together When he tells that story his his voice volume starts getting pretty low when he starts getting into the story part of it And so his tone gets a little bit soft as well and he's not moving a whole lot at this point from from anywhere from his torso and and The parts we can see I wish you could see more under the table But there's a lot a lot of close-up on him Which is good too because we can see his facial expressions and look for a little cues that'll tell us if something's up or not So when you find if you find yourself in a situation where you're hearing a story for the first time And it sounds like UFO story or a Bigfoot story or something. It sounds really impossible Look for these little cues we're talking about on here and that might give you a heads up as to what's actually happening So the key is observation Yeah, especially in this one because it gets if you up in here chase. What do you got? Yeah, I agree with the you guys and I think this looks Decent so far we're gonna we have some baseline stuff. Maybe baseline. Maybe it's not baseline so It's gonna be interesting to find out mark. I've got a baby that's gonna be born in about six weeks And when she is if she does the if she does the gesture you agree we'll do a YouTube video Totally totally get get the car one that moment captured. I want it So this guy is if you're at all like me Then you need like a 10-second rundown of what the hell we're looking at this guy's apparently Will Smith's former friend and assistant He's on this podcast and it's about to get pretty thick with some celebrity trash talking is some gossip stuff And the Smiths have publicly denied all these claims. They made a statement that they're taking legal action Against what they say are these malicious and false statements this video has every single hallmark of sensationalism and a just a campaign with a very clear goal of harm and malice here But one thing I want you to write down right now if you're taking notes during this episode I want you to just to write down three word keep referring back to these as you listen closer and closer to the videos coming up so social belonging and status or status Those three words because they are going to be interwoven through every video that we watched tonight There's use of uncorrelated information here what the alleged things to start casting doubt On will then there's cultural and personal bias and he's saying coming from Philly The streets of Philly could be an attempt to frame that behavior as abnormal Unacceptable to help us start seeing it as more suspicious. There's a lack of direct evidence. He admits to Not confirming some of the claims. He says like well, I didn't need confirmation because you know I saw the interaction and all that and Bases his conclusions on personal interpretations of an observed behavior here and then goes on a podcast to say that it's fact So might be suggested with a smear campaign as it relies heavily here just in this video on subjective interpretations instead of facts The storytelling style with details like I'm gonna beat the crap out of this person these dramatic responses is Designed to engage and shock the listener That's why you hear a lot of these vocal changes in my opinion and it's a sensationalist approach and it's used in smear campaigns It's also used in places where people are trying to sell a book So he focuses on some very specific incidents and perceptions without providing any context No context means there's a narrative when you don't hear background and context and reasons. There's a narrative Every detail is to achieve one goal that you've I'll wrap this up here if you listen to anyone speaking anybody for a minute or two and Just use this one question to hear what they're saying all you have to ask is What do they want to happen in my head with the language that they're using? What a phrase in a different way. How does this person want me to internally react to what they're saying based on how They're talking right now. That's all I got Point out one thing culture matters and street culture matters into how people communicate know that we all understand that what we're looking for Are deviations from what this guy is normally doing and chase I think it's a good call out there because that culture is different from my culture and your culture and all that But at the same time it has some rules and some commonality that you look for deviations in So it was will the one that stepped out of his marriage and what jaded didn't really happen It was it was it was be herself. Yeah, I mean they were already going through it because there were some alleged things that said that You know Sheree court will embed with Benny Medina. So, yeah, Benny Medina Benny Medina is who the Fresh Prince of Bel Air is based off And he's a you know, big talent manager, you know, he had J Lo Puffy a bunch of him He had will at one point and you know, he's a known homosexual as well, you know And you know, he presents that so Yeah, did you ever talk to Sheree about that to get confirmation? Well, I didn't need confirmation because you know, I saw the interaction between will and Benny Medina So it's a it's a funny. What was their interaction? So this is crazy. So now here's the scene I'm coming from Philly the streets of Philly, but I'm coming back and forth to Los Angeles, right? So their coat that entertainment culture is different. Yeah, so I know you don't drink. No, no, I'm a drink for you. Okay Go ahead and um, so I'm hanging out at the Fresh Prince of Bel Air You know as I do when I go out there and you know, I'm in will's dressing rooms a bunch of guys from Philly or whatever the case may be and You know, Benny Medina Holla's down a hall. Well, I'm gonna come see you in a minute So, you know So he comes up there in a few minutes and he pokes his lips out like he's gonna kiss will Right and I'm like, oh man. I gotta beat the it all this do I do we do we pack them like all right? Well, I'll just wait cuz I'm you know, I don't know this culture, right and we'll kiss this guy on the lips In front of you in front of everybody. Nobody does nothing and I'm like No, no, I'm just thinking I'm like a deer with the headlights. I'm like nobody Did y'all just see and where I'm from, you know, that's not common Maybe out in California. It is so it's a cult and Billy and Ben he white, right? I know Benny Medina's black But he's a very light fair skin. Okay. I was white. No, no, okay. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, okay Medina is definitely And so you saw him with your own eyes with my own eyes. Was it a poker? Yeah, of course It was it was a kiss. I went with no long romantic movie kiss, but he kissed that man and and I'm like Nobody now this is before I work with well, okay, you were just coming back in for I was coming back You know, well, he was married to his first wife charade and but talking to Jada but at this time it's like Like it's it's just weird it's hard it's it's it's hard to explain But now with the knowledge and information I have because what I did in the book was To pull more research was I hired to Private investigator firms, okay, so to find out a lot of the allegations that were made be Towards people will circle, okay, and as we get into the interview, I'll start to give you Of of of how that goes But Seeing that I said wow and I just didn't know how to take it Coming from Philly and seeing something like that but with my knowledge of Now over having 30 years in the business it's like Okay, this is the grooming. This is how the grooming starts. I didn't know that back then But now, you know having spent decades in L. I'm like, yo, they was grooming him all his time So after that becomes six six degrees of separation And we can get into that a little bit, you know will plays a gay guy, but you got to look at how will Prepare for the movie so he he admits to watching a lot of gay To learn how to kiss a man to learn feminine attributes, right? So I find that bizarre They flew him out to Europe to watch live shows, right? And I'm like, yo this like I don't I'm from Philly. So I'm just like yeah, this is the like he's going in he's in His mind he has to know how a gay man Interacts with people talking mannerisms getting ready for a love scene with another man I'm like, why are you like in my mind? I'm like, why are you doing this? Like why you have a successful TV show? Why go to play in a gay man and why go to the extremes because anybody know will will When he puts his mind to something every character he goes in solid you watching gay You're you're going a lot show that means he had to get aroused about yeah Yeah, that's what yeah, and I and we end up finding that that became I believe that became his addiction to men That was the addiction to men Because he was in a safe environment, right? And they made that environment safe for him So whoever he was he could now become and that Created a monster All right, Mark. What do you got? Yeah, okay. So, um, we've got this steepling going on sometimes it's like this sometimes it's here but also what we're getting is a self soothing in the the uh The median nerve here, uh, which is connected right up your arm Sometimes if you've got a got a headache if you kind of press into there you can fix your headache It's a quite important nerve. So it's interesting that we're getting this self soothing from him repetitious finger movement in this area That means there must be some big stress going on up here I mean, maybe it's shoulder stress. Maybe it's elbow stress. I'm maybe it's stress in his hand but it could be A bit of a headache for him to put this story Across I mean, there could be all kinds of reasons. Maybe it's a really difficult But maybe it's a very difficult true story for him to tell Or maybe it's a very difficult false story for him to tell Some some vocal clicks in there as well. That's interesting Well, we'll hear some further down the line as well that for me often means stress Look might be stressful for him to be on a podcast, but then again, I mean, this is a guy who was You know, like the assistant to some big Hollywood stars, you know running around He knows Hollywood really well. He knows entertainment. He hangs out with the stars So I'm not sure what the big stress would be for him Sitting around a few bottles of wine upside down to say well, we we've sorted that one out Let's have another and I don't know what the what the stress would be about there I mean other than he's throwing his friend his best friend his best friend Under the bus. That's extraordinary. I got some of my best friends here. Don't do that to me I mean, if you unless you really have to I mean unless you've got a book to sell I mean that might be that might be I mean, but otherwise like I won't I really wouldn't like that I that wouldn't that would suggest to me You're not a best friend. Uh, really? Um So the narrative here that comes across is Hollywood groomed a gay man monster essentially Hollywood groomed. So we so he wasn't gay before But he got into doing six degrees of separation that groomed him. Hollywood groomed him into being an absolute homosexual monster. So chase to your point. That is utterly sensational That is that is from the blue lagoon. That is that's that's the that's the thing So so classic Hollywood Then for this Hollywood insider, I'll leave it on this this Hollywood insider Can't work out why will Smith would want to do the lead role in six degrees of separation Just can't understand it. Why would will Smith want to play this this role of a homosexual male in 60? Well, I'll tell you why because it was the biggest show On Broadway it was the biggest show it won so many Toners it won a whole bunch of awards when it was in London They then decided to make a film of it. Stockard Channing was going to do it Stockard Channing was was set up for an Oscar on that. She didn't win the Oscar, but she was nominated He was hoping he would be nominated and win an Oscar for it That's why he does it does it for every reason that anybody does anything in Hollywood They they at that high high level they're hoping to win one of those prizes. Why not? Like if you if you were offering me one, I'd take it. I wouldn't send it back That'd be fantastic But I don't not quite I don't quite understand why this Hollywood insider has zero an idea Why he would have taken that role Because it was a great role. He could have won an Oscar. He didn't that year But he could have Chase what you got in this one I'll tell you exactly why because he's from Philly And he tells you over and over and over And it seems to be some kind of code that he uses to remind people that he's tough And that he doesn't participate in these scenarios And I think this is obvious to anybody But it's a personal and precision attack on will Smith's character as promoter There's not much I know about when it comes to this issue in this case and these people And I personally find this kind of gossip type stuff disgusting to watch and I'm repulsed Just kind of going through some of these videos to be very frank with you The campaign Is crafted pretty well though In this video, he's making all the character assassination Well at the same time and I think he does this unconsciously using justification Arrationalization Blames shedding and projection to make it look like there's no obvious attack on will Which he does a great job here in this video The eyebrow flashes up or all at the sensational moments and the other nonverbal behavior that you're going to see in this clip Is around Sensationalism with the deep-seated fear That he's going to accidentally be associated with some of the behavior here if you know what i'm talking about So he's desperately trying to distance himself from the homosexuality Saying where he's from dictates what kind of person he is And keep in mind the stakes are extremely important when it comes to indicators of deception being present The lower the stakes are for the person talking the less like you are to see deception markers So stakes are very important to raise when you're questioning somebody And just as a PSA some of the videos coming up are about celebrity gossip Just to let you know i will not participate in that it's a conscious choice of mine No one no one here has asked me to do that But i want to set an example i think for more people than just my kids And i think the gossip stuff is a little bit socially corrosive and has a tendency to make shame and judgment become a hobby For some people so if you understand I thank you for that scott rio You don't get it chase Good lord. I know it's so this stuff is so gossipy man. It's just so it's so gross but Anyway, so i'll build on what you were talking about the more On whatever she replies to he starts building on top of that She'll say so this happened you go. Yeah, and this and this and that no matter what she says He never says no no no that what happened was this he doesn't correct her. He's just yeah That's what happened this and she goes this the worst thing ever It's worse than that man here. It's and makes it bigger and bigger and bigger This is the first time we actually hear him getting in detail about the grooming of will So his illustrators are slowly becoming larger and larger and more Revolent and the swallowing between words That's where they got my attention there because that lets us know he's a little bit nervous as he's coming on with confidence So he's beginning to look more confident at this point And his enlarging illustrators and his voice tone that says for me I'm selling something because he's when she asks questions Quite often a couple times he explodes out into it, but he starts off slowly watch it ramp up to this excitement He's got going on But he waits till she's locked in as he starts doing that because she's she's doing a great job It's because she's just listening the more he talks the more she just sits there listens And that's what you want in from our perspective in an interview He wants somebody just talking just let him go and go and go and the more he goes For me personally the worst of things sounding to him. So he starts down this path about how What sounds to me like he's heard all this before through gossip Not that he I'm sure some of the things like where that kiss he was talking about earlier Maybe he saw that probably saw that but a lot of this stuff when it comes to the gossip part Going back to what you were talking about chase. I'm with you man A lot of this stuff just sounds like gossip that he's he's blowing up and saying I can take that And I'll take this because everybody knows about that It's it's so it's it's almost ridiculous But I also noticed uh, he's agreeing with And none of us he agreeing within building on what she's saying I think he might be creating a couple of things outside of that as well That's I could be wrong about that but as it gets bigger and bigger I think he's adding to that stuff that he that he hadn't thought about before if that makes me sense So let's also pay attention to how he how the times that he backs up. It's not a big deal It's not a whole lot. He doesn't back up like that But as he's talking he gets up and he backs up just a little bit That's one of the key things you look for when I'm training entrepreneurs how to pitch And they're going into a venture capitalist or an angel investor or just investors here They're talking to I make sure when they get asked a question about financials They don't move back even the least bit because there's somebody like me in there watching them That I'm gonna say, you know what they're not really confident with what they're with their answer What they're talking about not their lie not they're not telling the truth But they mean even though they're the financial person they may not be the one that came up with that Answer to your question is something they've read and they're they're prepped for but they may not know it in depth And it's important to know if the financial person you're talking about or talking to asking questions about Knows what they're talking about. They have to know the backstory. Where are the financials really going? So that's one of the key things you look for is when they back up a little bit Doesn't mean they're being deceptive every time or and they're not even being deceptive. They're just not confident with what's happening there Quite often you hear that phrase where there's smoke there's fire I smell smoke This is starting to smell like something's up here because he's too into it He's and I agree with you again chase I've got a as we go through these are a couple other parts where it looks like there's something going on where he's I don't know What the problem is but he's mad about something If indeed he is angry, which I'm I think he's been over the anger part for so long. He's just started I'll agree with there as well. What sounds like a smear campaign because so far He's not corrected anything that she's asked or said Granted, she's just repeating a lot of what he's saying But at some point you can say well, it's not that bad. It's it's a little more like this Noop it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Greg, what do you got? So let's talk about a few things one chase. I agree with you There's a whole lot of gossip in here what I hope to do through this is where the gossip is to pin it down Say that's gossip. Here's how you know Because the holidays are on us and you're going to get the chance to talk to a lot of people in the next few weeks And you should be able to identify gossip versus truth. I think it's a great opportunity for that The second one is you're going to run into exactly what this guy is doing right here This is conspiracy theory thinking exactly what he's doing. He's got no real facts He's got secondhand information, but he's He's shopping it as fact and if you don't believe that pay attention him What I love is tasha's face is so expressive. She's like what I love that whole Burrow brow and all those things When he does that down and chase you're going to hear him try to separate self from will smith with that Filly thing over and over and over I agree and he does throw will smith under the bus where he's say He almost comes out and says I believe he was always gay. He just got the chance to be who he was I mean, he's trying to throw him under the bus at some case here even if he's masking it But when I say he's doing conspiracy theory What conspiracy theory people will do is they'll fish and farm information to you to see how much you're willing to take And you know, I've used this term before on the show. I don't know how many years it's been But in the army, there's something we call aiming stakes And it means that when I'm in the dark chase you never had to deal with this because when you're in a dirt And you've got guys on each side of you you put stakes in the ground so you don't shoot in their area This guy is taking the extreme the most extreme thing he thinks of and watch him raise his brow and ask for approval When he says they sent him to live sex shows See that watch that face up and he's waiting for an answer and then his face drops That's his outside steak. He does another outside steak and then he goes and he's got believability because there's this picture of will smith Kissing this kissing another actor So then he's like, okay now he's built on something where will smith kissed another actor in hollywood now. He's going to this This is the basics of running a conspiracy theory. Now. Look, here's the other thing All conspiracy theories are not false. Sometimes they're true We don't know But they're not firsthand knowledge You always see these guys who are saying and then they had UFOs And then there were aliens and they're fishing for what you'll believe and then they abducted me And when they get to that point, then you have to start paying attention for where they're looking for that Other comments are easier for him, you know, than this one comment So he's just rolling those off but watch for where he's hit his hardest one And then he comes back and we'll start watching from here He does request for approval. He raises his forehead at every building block of his story. It doesn't mean it's not true It simply means that he's getting your approval before he moves to the next state And when you're talking to a person at a party and they are telling you a conspiracy theory Pay attention to those because you'll see the elements that matter as their brow rises And they're asking for approval and you'll see that aiming statement They go really to the far and they're holding their head up like you believe that one too That's their far reach pay attention and I'll give you some tools later for how to back that down one of those tape replays Two private investigator firms, okay, so to find out a lot of the allegations that were maybe Towards people in will circle, okay, and as we get into the interview, I'll start to give you Of of of how that goes um but Seeing that I I said wow And I just didn't know how to take it Coming from Philly and seeing something like that But with my knowledge of now over having 30 years in the business it's like Okay, this is the grooming This is how the grooming starts. I didn't know that back then But now, you know having spent decades in L. I'm like, yo They was grooming him all this time. So after that becomes Six uh six degrees of separation and we can get into that a little bit, you know will plays a gay guy But you got to look at how will Uh prepared for the movie. So he He admits to watching a lot of gay To learn how to kiss a man to learn Feminine attributes, right? So I I find that bizarre They flew him out to Europe to watch live shows, right? And I'm like, yo, this like I don't I'm from Philly. So I'm just like, yeah This is the like he's going in he's In his mind he has to know how a gay man Interacts with people talking mannerisms getting ready for a love scene with another man. I'm like, why are you like in my mind? I'm like, why are you doing this? Like why you have a successful tv show? Why go to play in a gay man? And why go to the extremes because anybody know will will when he puts his mind to something every character He goes in solid You watching gay You're you're going a lot show that means he had to get aroused about yeah, that's what Yeah, and I and and we ended up finding that that became I believe that became his addiction to men That was the addiction to men Because he was in a safe environment, right? And they made that environment safe for him So whoever he was he could now become and that Created a monster So let's how did you get to will smith and duane morning to you so um Will did an episode of the show called all of us where he ironically plays lisa rey's love interest Okay, um, and he's you know, he started on the show a few times So of course, he's there and I have to take care of him So meaning that production knows when will come everything should go through me Whether they and he's wearing two hats. He's acting on his show and he's executive producer So, um, we have a lunch break and normally Lunch break is never interrupted. But by will wearing a producer hat Um, they say hey B. We need to get will to break lunch for 15 minutes to come look at the next shot He's a producer in a shot not the actor So i'm like, okay, we already know and if you don't know hollywood is to hurry up and and weight gain So three minutes later after them telling me, hey, you got eyes on will you got we we need them to come Watch this. So i'm running all over the the the studio. He's not in his dressing room. I go to the cafeteria I'm like, but I see his car there I'm like, where is this guy at? So now i'm holding the wing down too. So I have the keys to his dressing room So i'm like, yo, and they're calling my they i'm on walkie talkie and they're calling my cell phone Yo, we need to get will here. I'm like, yo kind of down like i'm trying to find is like this is This is unlike him, right? So all right, I opened the um door to dwayne dressing room and that's when I see dwayne and haven't That's what will let me process that for a second Who was on top? It wasn't a top. There was a couch and um Will was bent over on the couch and dwayne was standing up killing him murder like Murder it was murder in there Okay, chase. What do you got? This is classic sensationalist speech here And i'm just going to give you the exact formula that he's following because it's been followed since the 1920s In a lot of these speeches and I think he does this on accident I don't think he has a team that built this up. He's not got like some edward bernet's pr Expert there Here's the exact formula. He builds his own authority He sets the scene for the listener. He builds his authority and status again Then he demonstrates how good of a person he is then he builds up to the climax of the scene Then right at that climax. He uses very strong language and metaphors to vividly paint a picture in the listener's mind That's a recipe to make sensationalist content. That's what you would see in like the national inquirer So then the host here pretends to need to process it for a second There's no emotion in the host. There's no real reaction whatsoever on her face Then she asks the most irrelevant Sensationalist predictable answer you'd hear in someone who's participating in a smear campaign Who was on top? So, uh, greg, what do you got? Yeah, and while all that is true. Yes, that's how you get to sensationalist stories You also do some of those same things when you're telling the truth So if i'm going to give you a frame of reference for why I saw this and why I know What I love about this video is I see my little summary says he starts with a great baseline And residual emotion and that dries up at the key time. That's Damning So what happens is he's got great illustrating is he's telling his role in the set His brow comes up at do you get it and then his brow drops off as soon as you reward him He does a request for approval again when he talks about will's two hats We're back to him telling you the elements of his story that matter as soon as she approves He keeps moving And then he says you see it again when he says he's wearing his producer hat This is his baseline lots of movement lots of approval as he's telling you the stories And he's still iax asking to where he started in that very first thing off to his right So probably that's where his memory is somewhere over there It could be wrote because he's told it so many times And then he's even when he's doing this hollywood is hurry up and wait his baseline Is punctuating with his hands and his brow. That's all good Then There's also residual emotion when he's talking about not being able to find him. There's all the stress You see his face. You see all the stress When he says holding him down He means he's his support team on the on the team Don't infer anything by that Then he gets to the real thing right before he right before he gets to open the door Look at his illustrates for walkie-talkie and cell phone. Everything is beautiful He opens door and there's no shock in his face. No residuals Nothing nothing nothing the hands suddenly closed down from extended fingers Now his brow goes up If this is what he came here to say you would think this would be the most comfortable thing and the most powerful and demonstrative thing he would say This is arguably the single most important thing he's going to say in this whole interview This does not look believable because all of this stuff comes apart and his hands close and he gets quiet and goes down Puts his hands together. There's just so much in this. However While chase I agree with you She doesn't show a lot of emotion in the beginning at the very end here Look at that grief muscle as she's contemplating what she just heard is so she just discovered there's no Santa Claus Scott what you got? All right. This is the first time that he's given out information. That's dangerous He's bringing in somebody else that's famous or that's powerful in their business world and he's telling some pretty Graphic stuff here. I mean this is this is this is there's a lot going on supposedly and he he starts Telling this mind-bending story about dwayne martin and will it's detailed But when he talks about the Going in the dressing room, would you not knock before you went in even though you had a key? That's one thing you're going to do You're going to go in and you're going to if you have the key to the place you're going to go in and you'll knock before you go in That right there says to me. I don't know man that that started shutting it down for me once I started listening to this Um As it goes along his again, he's ramping up. He gets more excited his illustrators increase He gets up a little bit bigger Everything seems to get larger even the story he's telling us seems to expand as he goes along And another thing that caught my attention were his head movements. He's doing a lot of looking around going back and forth He hasn't really done that. He's he has some up at this point, but this is getting even heavier This lets us know there's there's some stress there some nerves Stuff going on at this point and I think it's so much. It's out of his baseline from what we've seen up to now So after he gives that a description He looks back at his he goes back to his hands in that barrier thing and his his fingers close So I think his confidence is sort of going away with that part as well Nothing he's going. Oh, no, I shouldn't have told that but when you start telling the story And it's getting a little bit out of hand There's got to be that inner dialogue going on you go. I better Tamp this down a little bit because it's getting it's getting a little bit out of hand I don't think that's even happening. It sounds to me like a little child telling the story to his friends About Indians in the basement or you know, I found this was given to me by a ninja those those types of stories Because it seems so Out of reality like I was talking about earlier. It's like a ufo or a bigfoot story Something's just not right here So mark, what do you got? Well, it is fantastical, but you know hollywood everything Everything is is is possible There are some facts there Will did a show And and we see him baton which is you know that gesture that people make sometimes they'll battle with their hands Sometimes they're baton with their shoulders. They might do it with their their nose But he's conducting along to the rhythm of his speech and will did a show and we go. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's true We'll did do a show. So okay We've got a good baseline there for the truth and remember that because we'll come back To those batons in a few videos time But you're right. Everything's been building to this this, you know This part of the story which is for want of a better idea the money This is the money. This is the thing that he's really selling This is the moment and there's lots of detail up until the moment of Opening that door and then yet I I agree. Everything closes down from then on when it should Open up when it should be the moment of of of you like you don't have to sell this stuff This this stuff sells itself So why does he want to close down on that? We even get some self soothing there as well Watch out for that self soothing rep repetitive gesture there to make him more comfortable Why does he need to be comfortable about this? He's selling out his friend clearly like he needs to go All out at this moment not closed down We get an upward inflection with the voice at the end of the line Like no, I mean if this happened just tell me it's just an instruction It is I wasn't there. So you tell me what happened. You don't I can't answer your questions on this So why the upward inflection on this? It's not cultural for him. It's it's it's we haven't heard it Before why is he need that upward inflection at the end of this line? And chase I absolutely agree. We have the imagery that he puts with the sexual act there You know killing murder Well, why use those metaphors maybe that's cultural to him, but it's an interesting choice To go with imagery which is criminal Alongside this act doesn't really describe the act doesn't describe what's going There's no line in my head turned and I had to look down the the the van or the or the you know, I needed to it's just like He steps in and like it's there right in front of him Like there must have been more corners to turn there must have been I moved my head There must have been more that happened there There must have been certain things being obscured by but no None of that is right in there in the crime the murder the killing it's it's um You know, it's it's textbook hollywood horror hollywood horror fantastic love it one of those tape replays So let's how did you get to wil smith and duane more than tell you so um Will did an episode of the show called all of us where he ironically plays lisa rey's love interest Okay, um, and he's you know, he starred on the show a few times So of course he's there and I have to take care of him So meaning that production knows when will come everything should go through me Whether they and he's wearing two hats. He's acting on his show and he's executive producer So, um, we have a lunch break and normally Lunch break is never interrupted but by will wearing a producer hat Um, they say hey b we need to get will to break lunch for 15 minutes to come look at the next shot He's a producer in the shot not the actor So i'm like, okay, we already know and if you don't know hollywood is the hurry up and and weight gain So three minutes later after them telling me hey, you got eyes on will you got we we need them to come watch this So i'm running all over the the the studio. He's not in his dressing room. I go to the cafeteria I'm like but I see his car there I'm like, where's this guy at so now i'm holding duane down too. So I have the keys to his dressing room So i'm like yo and they're calling my they i'm on walkie talkie and they're calling my cell phone Yo, we need to get will here. I'm like, yo kind of down like i'm trying to find is like this is This is unlike him, right? So all right, I open the um door to duane dressing room and that's when I see duane and having That's what will let me process that for a second Who was on top it wasn't a top there was a couch and um Will was bent over on the couch and duane was standing up killing him murder like Murder it was murder in there Okay, what did you do? I I froze I'm not used to seeing listen. It's traumatizing like to like i've never seen it. I don't watch You know, I've never seen a man another man. Well smith Was bent over and and duane was killing him Condom I don't know. I don't you didn't look that close listen I'm even when I was with the deer and headlights and I finally said oh shit And they turned around said close the door, right? So I back out the door. I'm not going in there No, I ain't going up in there. I back out the door lock the door. I leave right so um Now I'm off a walkie talkie everything. So it's chaos on the set nobody can get in touch with will nobody can get in touch with me So I said, I gotta I gotta leave Then I said do I leave or do I stay so I said, you know what? I'm gonna stay but my position is I didn't see anything right so um Will says I gotta talk to you So I said about what he said, you know what and I said, I don't know what you talking about And he said, oh, you know what I'm talking about? I said, well, I have no idea What are you talking about what we need to finish today? Like I'm trying to Get that out. So he said no, we need to talk. So he said listen Um, I made a call some papers are gonna come here today I need you to sign them and I said, uh, why am I signing papers? And he said listen, I'm trying to protect you So he says three things didn't make me scared because I fear no man but a law But uh, I don't fear nothing but a law and he said that You remember the uh, the transsexual, I hope I'm saying it right who got caught with eddie murphy He said, you know what happened to him, right? I had no idea what happened to the transsexual They got caught in the car with eddie murphy So I go home and google it. They murdered them Or are the transsexual, I don't know to say him or her. I don't know what's politically correct. So I hope I'm not offending anyone Just transgender, but okay transgender So, okay, so they said now you can google this yourself. This is one of the things he said They said that the transgender that was caught, uh, uh, in the car at eddie murphy where avenue murphy paid this guy to have Or the transgender to have Was about to start doing interviews and back then they paid, you know, the internet wasn't big they paid you Gobs of money to do interviews and they said that the transgender person locked herself out the house Tied some sheets together from a roof and tried to swing into the apartment from the roof This is documented. Do you know anybody that get locked out the house that's going to tie some sheets together and swing into the To their apartment from the roof. Okay. All right. You just break a window. Okay. Yeah, okay So now I want people to google that. So this is what he told me. I go home and I'm on aol plug-in high-speed internet And I was like, oh They murdered this person Right Then he told me that he made a song called, um You saw my blinker But wil's claimed the fame and rap is he never cursed on records, right? We'd agree, right? And that song he calls the woman a bitch several times So I believe is like you saw my blinker And then now I tell people to go google that too and he's talking about slapping the lady ever I mean he's talking crazy. So he said, um, the powers that be got me to do that song and he said, um They said it will never make a light of day and what they'll always protect me Even though I say I don't cuss in records. So I go home I google that I do the search engine on that it comes back will cussing on records I said this this is crazy Why haven't nobody ever called him out saying he never cussed on records and he's obvious calling women And talking about he's gonna slap somebody on his record Then he said, um, he referenced the first prince of bel-air the first aunt viv Of how he got rid of her on the show Right and uh, and she'll never work again. And he said, I don't want this for you I said, yo, I never went back All right, Greg, what do you got? So now when they're talking about what he did he goes back to his baseline and this feels like he's describing an actual act He's back to the body language of that conspiracy theory on video two However, his cadence shifts and right after he says I back out of the door and leave his cadence changes Then he goes back into more elements of this whole, you know, I'm going to give you details that can't be proven I'm going to tell you things that I've heard there's second hand This reminds me of every conspiracy theory every urban myth I've ever heard in my life So I how do I feel about it? I feel like I'm seeing a guy who lives in that space Where he doesn't have to nail down facts where he's going to use hearsay where he can use gossip and be able to Validate that because of his presence Look, if you are a person not saying this is the case with him But it's quite possible if you're a person who has a single thing The biggest feather in your hat the biggest thing to tie yourself to is will smith And will smith starts to cascade out of control and go down the drain You better ride that pony while you can and that I would not be surprised to see us find a lot more people Come out of the woodwork and start doing things. I'm also going to tell you conspiracy theories can be true All you have to do is watch the news every day in the u.s And conspiracy theories are turning out to be true all over the place But you should not repeat them without known facts Because somebody told you now we're getting to chase his problem with hollywood gossip But it doesn't have to be in hollywood. This can be the cul-de-sac too There can be cul-de-sac gossip going on about you or you and the way you have to circumvent that is by asking hard questions Hey, we told you that How'd they know? And when did they hear it? Those are three questions We always ask an interrogation if i'm interrogating mark and he says hey, there's nuclear weapons over here How do you know? Well chase told me well the hell does chase know? Oh, he worked there. Okay. When did he work there? If you just ask those few handful of questions They're not intrusive and jerky. You're saying hey, have where'd you hear that? It shuts down a lot of gossip it shuts down a lot of that repetition Of things and we'll actually get to the root of it once you start tracking it back And sometimes you'll find it's just somebody lying for a sport as I would say Chase what you got This is uh, a lot more celebrity kind of BS stuff So i'm not really going to comment on it, but I will just say this Uh to greg your point you talked about conspiracy theories I'll give you one trick that people use when they make conspiracy theories That makes you feel superior by listening And here's a perfect example of an easy way to understand it Imagine you hear the news somebody on the news say Local woman was reported missing earlier Witnesses say they witnessed her and her boyfriend in an argument More on that at 6 30 So what they did was make you they didn't tie those things together for you The trick that they did yes, they did get you to tie those things together But the true trick in that is making you get a placebo of feeling clever For putting those two things together. So it's maybe it called it a clever placebo So they're giving you a two pieces of data and Letting you start tying those together by yourself Which also makes you feel clever which makes you more bought into the idea because it made you feel good to come up with it Scott, what do you got? All right, again his baseline changes a little bit more and his illustrators here get huge He gets loud and his Ramp up to this thing is odd as well. So this again, this sounds like a big foot story or ghost story UFO story This is what it looks like To me when a little child says here's what happened and they start telling you what happened His his excitement increases as he tells what happened. There's no matter of fact No delivery like here. Here's what happened. Nothing like that at all. It's like ghost story delivery at the very end That's when the ghost shows up and you know It's you know, he's missing an arm or you know, the guys that the phone call is coming from inside the house, whatever it is That's where all the action happens in those stories. And that's what's happening here is the ramp up to it now Quite often when you have a story and you're pretty excited about it You almost explode with it right out of the gate. You don't come on with here's what happened I'm sitting in the over here and this happens and then all of a sudden they didn't bang and then it blows up For example, and Greg, you I think you'll remember this one time I was going to talk to this guy. I was going to interview him about Some things he shouldn't have done and he was an IT guy and he had he was Uh, they were trying to find out whether or not he was the guy that was stealing all this information from him And selling to somebody else So I called Greg on my way and I said hey, he's like what's going on I said, well, I'm sitting here about 20 minutes before I go in we sat there and Talked for a little while and I explained to him what the thing was when I got finished I came outside because what happened was this When I started talking to the guy, I didn't even lean into him hard I was with him for maybe 45 minutes and he starts crying. Remember that Greg? I showed you a picture This guy starts crying and it's and then you just start puking everything. He's telling me everything 45 minutes in tell me stuff. I didn't even ask things And he'd been doing this for other to other companies for years. He'd been doing told me everything So when I get back on the phone, I call Greg I'm like, dude, you're not going to believe it and just started. Wow, you know, here's what happened It wasn't like well, I went and talked to him sat for a little while and the next thing You know, he starts talking about and then it doesn't ramp up like that you get right to the point and That's what this guy is missing He's got that ramp up going at the end where the ghost is at the ghost story We've all heard heard those that went when your little kid You know, you're camping out or you're sleeping over somebody's house and somebody's got their ghost story And they tell you what happened. Yeah, and then you come up with a big kaboom there at the end This guy, I think I'm gonna go ahead and say I think he's telling the story. I think he's making this up Because this isn't this isn't flowing the way it should flow If he's mad, that's one thing. I I think he's mad, but he's not showing any anger as he does it That's why it's that conniving In my opinion, that's that that conniving thing where you're just smearing them all you're being cooled about Here's what happened, man. They're because who knows Outside of those people the way he set it up I'm gonna go back to that the door knocking on the door There's a hierarchy that goes on when you have an assistant Now when you're in a dressing room, let's say we're at Let's say we're doing dr. Phil that anybody come in that room and in your our dressing rooms when Without knocking no they knocked and they waited for us to say they weren't knocking and open the door What's going on they knocked then we said who is it or come in or whatever and then they would come in Don't tell what's gonna be going. We could be standing there or underwear. We could be you know Naked whatever's gonna happen, but they always ask about that in assistance. They that guy worked for a will So he's not gonna Jump that hierarchy and be above him and this guy Dwayne and just unlock the door and go in Especially if it's locked he may have tried to handle if he did he would have knocked He wouldn't just walk up and then open the door and go and go in like that That doesn't sound right when you're in a situation where somebody's telling you a story like this and you get a feeling something's not right Listen to the reality of how things play out from scene to scene that they're creating Think about what's happening. He says I walked in Well Did he just walk in like that? Why wouldn't he have knocked you gotta think of the little things like that The reality of the chain of events that happens have to Be in play that they have to lay out perfectly or at least close and nothing here is close in this From my point of view. That's the way I view things Mark, what do you think? What do you got? Yeah, just a couple of things He says I leave and there's a vocal click again I don't mean if you just left that would be that would be just factual. I left I leave Don't need any stress around that if anything like the stress should be down now because you're leaving what was a crime According to his metaphors. It's you know, it would be it would be de-stressing But he's he leaves and there's that click of stress going on there Then we need to talk says will apparently and there's some discussion or point that the lawyers will come and there's an nda Is going to be signed but again the barriers come in And he closes it down and if this is factual That's the stuff that should open up because this is this would be factual information That that would clarify the story You know, no conspiracy would be needed because it would be factual now Like everybody else i'm not saying that conspiracies don't exist just because you're paranoid It doesn't mean that everybody isn't out to get you everybody may be out to get you But is it probable that everybody is out to get you? No, it's more probable that some But not all people might be on some days out to get you but this is extravagant You know where it's going to go next is into an extravagant Hollywood level story of of conspiracy and more more murder. Let's see how we enjoy that One of those tape replays Okay, what did you do? I I froze I'm not used to seeing listen. It's traumatizing like to like I've never seen it. I don't watch You know, I've never seen a man Another man well smith Was bent over and and Dwayne was killing him Condom, I don't know You didn't look that close Listen, I'm even when I was with the daring headlights and I finally said oh shit And they turned around said close the door, right? So I back out the door. I'm not going in there No, I ain't going up in there. I back out the door locked the door. I leave right so Now I'm off a walkie-talkie everything. So it's chaos on the set. Nobody can get in touch with will nobody can get in touch with me So I said, I gotta I gotta leave Then I said do I leave or do I stay? So I said, you know what? I'm gonna stay but my position is I didn't see anything right, so Will says I got to talk to you So I said about what he said, you know what and I said, I don't know what you talking about And he said, oh, you know what I'm talking I said Well, I have no idea What are you talking about what we need to finish today? Like I'm trying to Get that out. So he said no, we need to talk. So he said listen Um, I made a call some papers are gonna come here today I need you to sign them and I said, uh, why am I signing papers? And he said listen, I'm trying to protect you So he says three things didn't make me scared because I fear no man, but a law But uh, I don't fear nothing but a law and he said that You remember the uh The transsexual, I hope I'm saying it right who got caught with eddie murphy He said, you know what happened to him, right? I had no idea what happened to the transsexual They got caught in the car with eddie murphy either. What happened? So I go home and google it. They murdered him Or or the transsexual, I don't know to say him or her. I don't know what's politically correct. So I hope I'm not offending anyone Just transgender, but okay transgender So, okay, so they said and now you can google this yourself. This is one of the things he said They said that the transgender that was caught, uh, uh, in the car at eddie murphy where avenue murphy paid this guy to have Or the transgender to have Was about to start doing interviews and back then they paid, you know, the internet wasn't big they paid you gobs of money to do interviews and They said that the transgender person locked herself out the house Tied some sheets together from a roof and tried to swing into the apartment from the roof This is documented. Do you know anybody that get locked out the house that's going to tie some sheets together and swing into the To their apartment from the roof. Okay. All right. You just break a window. Okay. Yeah, okay So now I want people to google that. So this is what he told when I go home and I'm on aol plug-in high-speed internet And I was like, oh they murdered this person, right Then he told me that he made a song called, um You saw my blinker But wil's claimed the fame and rap is he never cursed on records, right? We agree, right? And that song he calls the woman a bitch several times So I believe is like you saw my blinker And then now I tell people to go google that too and he's talking about slapping the lady ever I mean he's talking crazy. So he said, um, the powers that be got me to do that song and he said, um They said it will never make a light of day and what they'll always protect me Even though I say I don't cuss in records. So I go home I google that I do the search engine on that it comes back will cussing on records I said this this is crazy Why haven't nobody ever called him out saying he never cussed on records and he's obvious calling women And talking about he's gonna slap somebody on his record Then he said, um, he referenced the first prince of bel-air the first aunt viv Of how he got rid of her on the show Right and uh, and she'll never work again. And he said, I don't want this for you I said, yo, I never went back That will has because she has all these things On will that he has to be a puppet like what like is it the homosexual? I mean, no, well, I've We already dispel that John. Did you and will ever have closure conversation on that sense? Heck no, I'm not having no heck. No, there wasn't no closure Did duane martin ever try to come to you and talk to you I did listen because he here's here's the thing when you dealing with a real cat It's just like I don't listen that's y'all feel like I'm not gay bashing. Well, I feel that will should just come out Right because it's going to eventually come out. My problem is Will is hurting more people protecting his secrets Right because you're trying to hot all these things and you're building up Just you're hurting so many people to try to hide what you're doing. So for example, okay, let's say Like the new this is what jayda makes the new people do and I ain't gonna say no They probably been there after myself, right? It's They will make you Check into a rehab and they'll pay for the rehab even though you're not on drugs They're gonna pay for the rehab and you have to go if you want to Work with them right or being there circumference Then they're gonna say hey, we need you out of these cameras rolling to go in there and and take some money out of our pocket You know we left some money in the coat pocket going the room the cameras is going going in and take that money out Do they know the cameras? Yeah, they're telling them because this is the setup that if they hire you or when they hire you if you decide that you want It's exposed something. Oh, we they're gonna discredit you. Oh, this person's a junkie We love them, but we have to pay for their rehab we got You know, we got video of them stealing money out of our pocket You know, they'll tell you hey give you your credit card Go shopping go get yourself some, you know some sneakers a jacket a hat, you know high yen You know, and yeah, and then jada will report the credit card stolen, but they won't press charges so if you ever try to Give information on willa jada they automatically discredit you So now it's like why do you think people don't speak up? Why aren't our people speaking up they can get a bag? I know when I'm offered for book deals I know when I'm being offered Right, so it's it's the discredit game if they clear to break their nda They're gonna be say oh man, this person's a junkie then, you know, they're gonna have some sexual acts on you They it's it's all kind of stuff. They do. This is why people don't come forward This is why people don't come forward Why can't people just be real I'll go first on this one um This is sort of an introduction from the uninitiated with how the criminal mind works And the things they think about that you would never think of to think about how they get things done or when they con people There was there was a a book that I found years and years and years ago And it's called games criminals play. I'll put a link up to it below And it talks about The same things he's talking about how he talks about oh, they'd send you to rehab And you go through rehab then if you did anything wrong, they would use that against you That's one of the things that's in this book they talk about for example They would some guy in prison would say to a guy to a guard there, you know, he looked Will you do me a huge favor, man? My wife needs a will you take her this 40 dollars or whatever it is or this book or something Will you please do me that favor and the guy the the guard would take the um Book over to that to the to the to his house to his apartment ever and when he gets there She'd open the door and and and she saw be right there come in So she doesn't know where the door he comes in Shuts the door then she walks out in a towel drops the towel and hugs him That means like good lord, you know, here's this your husband said give this book. I got to go and he'll leave Then what he gets in the mail is a picture of him being hugged by this nude woman And a note that says if you don't do this and I'm sending this to your wife Which the guy in prison has completely set up. It's things like that these little games they they put together That take advantage of you. It's it's what cons do as well That's one of those So like I said before it's called games criminals play I'll put I'll put a link in it below Read that book it'll open your mind up to a whole world you weren't aware of or a whole way of thinking about things That you may not have been aware of that that cons will do and and criminals will do not necessarily just prisoners but criminals in general um Here we're seeing chapter redirect rent large because He he starts she starts asking him a question and then he moves on and has nothing to do He starts talking about gay bashing how he's not a gay basher has nothing to do with the question She does ask him He's he's scooting along just to get out the information he wants to and still make himself look like a hero like a good guy This the the this whole thing is is For me, I can't believe she didn't say what wait a minute. Let's go back and she's not a An interviewer like we are she wouldn't know to to question that way or maybe to stop it gale would gale came to stop but It just it just sounds wrong. He's running from this at that point His illustrators all but disappear for most of this video And when he doesn't use illustrator when he does use his illustrator's man, they're huge Because he's oh, here's my point boom They go up and he starts making this point then he goes back down to normal because maybe he's getting into something He wasn't ready for You know it has no big lavish smearing answer for Um, he's not really given any good information. He's just assuming For a lot of these things the information he's given her. It sounds like he's heard this stuff It sounds like gossip to me. It's it it's it's kind of gross But he did a wonderful job of changing that information to get around She doesn't even notice that he's moved on to something else at that point This is and I'll say this is a profession. This is a pro bull This guy is a pro and that makes me think when he's talking to using these um Phrases he's using and he's talking about how they're setting him up and they'll make him go in a room And and look like he's robbing something It's stuff that's directly out of this book and it's the kind of thing criminals talk about Which lets me know this guy's been hanging out in the wrong place or I would assume that I'm not sure But he sure talks like he knows a lot about that world and that's where I come But he's he's talking about like it like it's something new to him But he's not selling the part Well where it's new to him. I don't know if that makes any sense But it doesn't look like it's new to it doesn't sound to me like it's new to him Although it's trying to make it look and guess what happened Not at all. It just sounds a little bit odd And then he he he talks about um Will coming out as if he's explaining why he's doing this like he's he just wants will to come out and tell everybody What's happening because he's hurting other people. He keeps making himself sound like the hero here He's the hero and in his own story. We'll go back to Kafka. I always Talk about that that every man Must be the the hero of his own own story And that's what he's doing. He's being the hero of his own story. He's telling you what a great guy he is While he's slamming these this other guy. He's mad about something It'll it'll I'm sure it'll show up at some point what he's mad about or what he's angry about Because there's something there's a something in their backstory here that he's not covering at all this All right, uh, gray. What do you got? Yeah, be pretty short on this. He is from Philly. He's already told you that so you should know That he knows all about all that stuff remember But when he is doing this the thing I want you to always look for is look for deviation from baseline We know his baseline is he's demonstrative when he's telling you stuff that's happened Will was on the set. He was an actor. He was a director All those big movements and that brown movement and all of that We expect when someone's telling the truth if that's what they were doing before that changes Listen to what happens those the pay attention to his body Those fingers that are usually doing this when he's telling you these stories are now down and narrow And he adapts and the barriers. He's playing with his fingers. He's got his hands together And he's milling those fingers. That's what I call sacred space I make a space where I feel safe and then I relieve relieve nervous energy He's illustrating at every turn with his fingers this way He fishes with an alone and elongated make you not make you make you as he starts this whole story This feels again like it's a whole lot of secondhand information If it's true is secondhand information, but it has credibility I think we're starting to see into his psyche and where I would lean in and go, oh man They must have mistreated you because he talks in a way that tells me that they discredited They will discredit you they will burn you up. And I think that's the beginning of the unravel People choose their words Very carefully He's so far off baseline and he's even starting to turtle a little bit that I think that one castaway line about they will discredit you Is really the beginning of where I would start to fish if I were interrogating I'd lean in and say how how'd they discredit you man? Come on. Just tell me Let's talk about that a little bit if I were talking to him if I were interviewing mark, what do you got? Uh, yeah, look, I mean scott. It's not going to be the type of interview that you'd like Because this is an interview that is designed to sell wine. That's that's what it's there to do Sell a book and we'll hear about the book In in a bit and what's around all of that and and I think we're going to find out I definitely uh would suggest that we will find out a little bit later. What has upset him and and who he believes has um Has pushed him out of the circle. He's not allowed to be around a certain table With everybody else Anymore so so there is some anger I think around around that um Okay, so by the way the wine um witching hour. So that's a nice nice idea given that his book is is called uh Will Smith demonic circle will Smith demonic circle by brother Bilal Is the book that will come out At some point, which is what he's trying to um, you know push out at the moment while the interviewer is pushing out A wine called witching hour Uh, I couldn't find out who the who is responsible for manufacturing this wine It seems to be quite a quite a quite a heavily kept secret that particular wine is is a is a complete Cab franc. I think oh no, sorry cab cab sauvignon They actually make a wine which is which is a blend of five different wines Which is actually quite hard to you know find, you know that that somebody would take Five different californian wines and stick them all together in one bottle for the price of around about $10. Anyway, she's hacking that down and why not why not? I see no problem in that but we need to understand exactly why This show is as it is because we need to keep people there watching Uh, this person drink that wine because that wine is paying for all of this To happen and what that wine hopes is that other people will go, you know I quite fancy a bottle of that wine and they choose that wine over another wine. That's why the sensationalism um So so look Scott we got at the start of this Single shoulder shrug and the head went to one side as well Right at right at the start of this and I personally I found that lovely to catch because I was like That that's something the scott talks talks about and so in my mind. I instantly went What we're about to hear from now on could be an absolute truckload. It could be an absolute Barrel full and I hadn't heard anybody else suggest that we've had a whole lot of you know truth during this part so Once more Once more another notch there on the possibility of that Single shoulder shrug and head to one side being an indicator that Insincereity is about to come Look, he said in in rehab if you want to be you've got to go to rehab if you want to be in their circumference, so there is something here about Being in the circle So it is interesting that he has this book about now the demonic Circle so he's making this circle bad. And so I'm now thinking what are the other circles that he's not part of Who is in charge of that circle? And who does he feel has pushed him out of that circle? And let's look for any indicators of of those there may be Some some witchy characters who pushed him out of the circle Chase what do you got this one? This is a long one, but there's one thing in here. I think you can really learn from Remember a lot of what can be seen in deception is when there are stakes involved So for instance, if I showed you a picture of a duck and I told you to tell somebody that you're looking at a picture of a horse You're not going to show all these deception indicators like somebody says. Oh, well, there's let's pay two truths in a line There's no stakes to that game If I did the same thing with the picture of a duck and if you can't be convincing to that other person You have to pay me $10,000 Your behavior changes because the stakes have been modified There's one question that she asks him here That really raised the stakes for him personally and she says did duane ever come to you? This is the most massive change that we see in all of the videos. We're going to be looking at here so far There's a huge deviation from baseline There's emotional accessing this down and to his right eye movement into an emotional Processing area for a prolonged period an increase in bodily tension There's that single shoulder shrug that mark was talking about which we'll dig into But then the hands instantly shift to more close they close down Then the thumbs shoot upward. This is just in response to this question within like three seconds Then there's eye movement all over the map as he's trying to answer and when we see a single shoulder shrug Mark was talking about it. You should ask yourself one question Is this person's response one that a reasonable person in this situation would be confident and direct in their ability to answer Because if I say well, how many jelly beans are in that jar over there and somebody goes, I don't know 75 That's not you're not seeing real deception there. You're seeing a lack of confidence in somebody's answer So just think about that so The incomplete nature of the gesture just using one shoulder instead of both can symbolize a lack of full commitment A lack of certainty of self-doubt some insecurity This little emotional accessing is also really telling so science doesn't fully support it Yet, but I think after tens of thousands of hours of doing this and seeing what greg Showed me several years ago. This is pretty damn reliable, especially when it's out of baseline So it occurs in a giant cluster. It's also down to the right which we associate with emotional recall So remember we always talk about not relying on single pieces of nonverbal behavior and I say this because Well, there's only really one big giant mountain here. It's pretty ambiguous And this is why you should be looking for clusters of behavior So changes clusters and context are the three most important things to understand in behavior Even more important than knowing all of these techniques and tactics. Can I spot change? Can I see changes in a cluster? Am I able to weigh that against a context? That's more important than learning all of these little blink rate things Do those three things first if you're ever studying behavior it in my opinion. Anyway, one of those tape replays That will has because she has all these things On will that he has to be a puppet like what like is it the homosexual? I mean, no Well, we already dispel that John. Did you and will ever have closure conversation? Heck no, I'm not having no Heck no, there wasn't no closure. Did the way martin ever try to come to you and talk to you I did listen because see here's here's the thing when you dealing with a real cat. It's just like I don't listen That's y'all feel like I'm not gay bashing. Well, I feel that will should just come out Right because it's going to eventually come out. My problem is Will is hurting more people protecting his secrets Right because you're trying to hot all these things and you're building up Just you're hurting so many people to try to hide what you're doing. So for example, okay, let's say Like the new this is what jayda makes the new people do and I ain't gonna say no they probably been there after myself, right? It's They will make you Check into a rehab and they'll pay for the rehab even though you're not on drugs They're gonna pay for the rehab and you have to go if you want to Work with them right or being there circumference Then they're gonna say hey, we need you out of these cameras rolling to go in there and and take some money out of our pocket You know we left some money in the coat pocket going the room the cameras is going going in take that money out Do they know the cameras is going? Yeah, they're telling them because this is the setup that if they hire you or when they hire you You decide that you want Exposed something. Oh, we they're gonna discredit you. Oh, this person's a junkie We love them, but we have to pay for their rehab We got You know, we got video of them stealing money out of our pocket You know, they'll tell you hey give you your credit card Go shopping go get yourself some you know some sneakers a jacket a hat, you know high yen You know Yeah, and then jada will report the credit card stolen, but they won't press charges so if you ever try to Give information on willa jada. They automatically discredit you So now it's like why do you think people don't speak up? Why aren't our people speaking up? They can get a bag. I know when i'm offered for book deals I know when i'm being offered Right, so it's it's the discredit game if they clear to break their nda They're gonna be say oh man, this person's a junkie then, you know, they're gonna have some sexual acts on you They it's it's all kind of stuff. They do this is why people don't come forward This is why people don't come forward Why can't people just be real? When did you find out about will and jada separating? Oh, yeah, I already knew that so all right. This is another thing that takes so long to unpack But i'll i'll make it quick and and this is going to be very devastating But just follow along with and and i asked your listeners to just Listen to it slow and clear There already been problems and will and jada's relationship with um jada's attitude and disrespect of will and her committing adultery with multiple men now be it that They share sexual partner sometime and what other people call it swinging or whatever but in will's mind You know that's that's an understanding that they have so if they choose to bring in another man Or another woman in their relationship that that were after that's done. That's where it ends, right? And jada would go outside of that of having sex with other people and that would destroy Will right and you know when jada goes into her rants on will, you know, she tells me she got a little You know like that begins to chip at a man's soul that hurts Like though it's like getting like a slave getting whipped for your woman to say that you can't please her or you know You saw her say that will Smith had a small. Oh, yeah. Oh when she Listen a lot of people have i mean jada has said worse Right is jada has said worse because she's out of control and will cannot control her You understand what i'm saying so um And at this point, you know, I would have conversations with will and I see the decay I'm not working with him at this time, but i'm still his friend I'm at all the events you can look on instagram Hugging me be this my god all this kind of stuff, right? But I know not to say nothing because years ago I tried to say yo this chick is playing like you a trick like I didn't say it like that but essentially i'm saying will like You know you buying a Ferrari shopping sprees getting private jets And you just came from being bankrupt And you're trying to impress this girl and about to go through a divorce And you spending all his money trying to impress this chick That's from baltimore. That's obviously promiscuous like dude All right mark. What do you got? Uh, yeah, well have I got on this one? Um Um Yeah, so here's what happens in this one. Uh, he has to frame for us Exactly how we're going to listen to this Um, uh, because it's going to take a long time to unpack and so we've got to listen slow and clear So it's rather I mean In many ways, it's rather like will smith. I think he says look, you know, this is complicated And he and he frames and it's like I can handle it. We'll be okay. We've got our bottle of wine We're going to be all right. We've got a long time on this. I think we're going to be out if you have Facts for us if they are laid out in any kind of comprehensible way We're probably going to get this one. So just go for it You don't need to tell us how to listen how to think how to feel Around this and because he does and he hasn't in the past. I think The the shed load of what he's got is going to get deeper and deeper at this point if he's trying to instruct us now Exactly like this is going to get complicated. You're going to have a hard time with this one. You better listen You know long and hard to this. I know what's coming is going to be An absolute load and then he steeples with that As well barriers and shows us This is how confident I am about what I'm about to deliver I think what's going to come is a complete load of nonsense, but I'm willing to have my mind changed on that chase Change my mind if you'd like I don't think I can In here, we're definitely seeing a crafted narrative And think about the difference between the personal stakes that are involved here So he's not facing a lot of personal stakes If he's proven wrong. So he's not going to jail. He's not trying to defend his own innocence So that's one of the reasons you're not seeing a lot of deception clusters here. It's very It's very carefully designed to be an attack To his credit He somehow uses empathy here during what he I think During what has all the hallmarks of a smear campaign the the empathy though is from a perspective Of showing how noble and smart and observant and mature he is So maybe that's the empathy is just what's designed to do He's using the empathy to show you all of those things because he's building himself up pushing someone else down And that's what we call a zero-sum thinker type of human being like I can't succeed unless someone else fails You know the reason I'm a failure is because people succeeded. That's a zero-sum thinking process So as promised, I'm only going to point out clusters and not individual things So the stakes need to be higher. So I ignore most of the things where there's no changes in clusters I can say yes 100 percent. This is a crafted narrative. I don't see a lot of deception clusters in this video though Scott Yeah, I agree with it This this like you were saying mark this whole thing set up to deliver a specific message as as the whole thing is But here I think he's going for his Who he's on the impression is the demographic that's going to buy his book because when he says Uh, there had already been problems with will and jade's relationship He looks right down the barrel of the camera Hey, he just looks right because I think that's where he said this is it This is what they're interested in what are what is this demographic interested in This this and this and the marriage. What's really happening with that? What problems are they having? That's what interests his demographic. I think that's why he does that So it's sort of and that's slowing down and doing all that stuff Everything changes there his volume gets lower. He slows down He brings it all to a halt like he's getting ready to do some prayer about something. It's just odd. Look at its odd behavior It's it's just you cluster that stuff together. He just go holy smokes. It becomes in my perspective from my perspective it becomes obvious there what's going on because You know if you're gonna make such a scene about giving information where before you've almost like you've you've ramped up and told all this This was thought out this is the big one for him I think so that because he thinks that's what's going to connect with his his demographic Then he starts describing things. He says To run wheel down He immediately goes into what happens when you do that his cadence slows down His everything again everything gets smaller. Everything gets gets tiny This is this is stuff. He's made up. It sounds like a little kid telling the story He talks about how he's friends with will and how he's on instagram and he's talking about him and and they're talking together They're friends and will wheel is not in those videos. He's showing will's not mad at him not even a little bit We'd be able to tell It was something you're faking something like that. They're just hanging out having a blast So whatever it was either happened after that if it has happened Since that or before that video Will's not aware of it He doesn't look like he's angry and he definitely wouldn't be hanging out with him And letting him be on his instagram thing and and and making him look good. No It's not It's falling apart. I think here greg. What do you got? Yeah, chase. I think something that we need to point out We always say there are really no indicators of deception just indicators of stress I see a hell of a lot indicators of stress here. Now. Let's think about why that stress could be occurring Let's I'm gonna run that a list and it's going to be a long one His blink rate increases at the beginning of the conversation. I see his eyes starting to flutter One eyebrow is now up. That's new. He's not done that yet when eyebrows up We typically associate that with skepticism, but it can be something else in people too. We just don't know He does lip withdrawal just before he says she committed adultery Interesting. Does that mean she didn't commit adultery? Does that mean he's afraid to say it? Does that mean there's something else how he'll be perceived? Don't know but something has changed His cadence shifts and now he's got us in there. We haven't heard him say oh, yeah, but he does something's changed Then he goes back out the baseline. He starts raising his hands again She misses a great question when he says that's what's going on in will smith's mind Not one of us is a mind reader. How the hell does he know what's going on in the guy's mind? Did the guy tell him? Hey, here's how I feel that sounds like a bold statement And the hard question is when you lean in and say, how do you know that? Who told you that did will smith tell you that that guy would then kind of jack up I think he's trying to pass that one by it floats right by And then she does ask a hard question a very hard question. We said you saw her say this About him about his body and you know about him being bad in bed and that kind of thing He redirects almost immediately. He does a redirect just oh, listen a lot of people have And then there's a great cluster right in here Jada has said worse now. That's a redirect a lip withdrawal needs approval at the same time as brow rises and he says right We saw him do that in the conspiracy theory thing before then you see a genuine grief muscle And as he starts to talk about genuine I mean you can you can't miss it as he starts to talk about what he told will smith about jada I think what we're seeing is he feels Jilted somehow out of the relationship bad things could be happening to will And he's not part of it to be there to tell him and then that final thing is a chin talk And his mouth's drying as you hear him talking about her being promiscuous because you can hear his mouth That's a lot of stuff Which tells me we're seeing the most stressful moment of the entire interview doesn't mean he's lying It means it's the most important thing he's trying to deliver and I agree. We did there scott What is that message? It sure sounds like he feels like he's been edged out somewhere mark back to something You said I think in the last video Really good indicator one of those tape replays When did you find out about will and jada separating? Oh, yeah, I already knew that so all right This is another thing that takes so long to unpack But I'll make it quick and and this is going to be very devastating But just follow along with and and I asked your listeners to just Listen to it slow and clear They're already been problems and will and jada's relationship with Jada's attitude and disrespect of will and her Committing Adultery with multiple men now be it that That They share sexual partner sometime and what other people call it swinging or whatever but in will's mind You know that's That's an understanding that they have so if they choose to bring in another man Or another woman in their relationship That that were after that's done. That's where it ends right? And jada would go outside of that of having sex with other people and that would destroy um Will right and you know when jada goes into her rants on will, you know, she tells me she got a little And all like that begins to chip at a man. So that hurts Like though it's like getting like a slave getting whipped for your woman to say that you can't please her or you know According to you saw her say that will Smith had a small. Oh, yeah. Oh when she Listen a lot of people have I mean jada has said worse Right is jada has said worse because she's out of control and will cannot control her You understand what i'm saying? So um And at this point, you know, I would have conversations with will and I see the decay I'm not working with him at this time, but I'm still his friend. I'm at all events You can look on instagram hugging me be this my god all this kind of stuff, right? But I know not to say nothing because years ago I tried to say y'all this chick is playing like you a trick like I didn't say it like that but essentially i'm saying will like You know you buying a ferrari shopping sprees getting private jets And you just came from being bankrupt And you're trying to impress this girl and about to go through a divorce And you spending all this money trying to impress this chick That's from baltimore. That's obviously promiscuous like dude This has already been out there, but I can confirm it So jade when when they did hearth on jada start with um mark anthony Who is jalo's husband? Right on they did a uh tv show called hearth on is that why they divorced? So if you Jennifer Lopez and yeah, yeah, so I so let me let me go a little Let's go. Let's go a little bit So this is a full-on relationship on the set Like romantic relationship not okay. I just gave him some and you know, that's it like it's it's a relationship um So, you know will hear is about this and kind of devastated at this point This is where you see all I mean all the papers are going crazy a divorce is intermittent and so forth and so on The final straw is when will came home and court jada Mark anthony on the couch at their home Right, and this devastated will Right, I even had a conversation when a will wanted to kill herself Right Yeah, well, well, well, well, well here's the thing When they're together will is comfortable with that will is comfortable with someone's wife when he's there Is when he's not there is the insecurities Because I can't tell you why but I can tell you that there's a comfort ability When men and women come in to have sex with them will is fine with that So when this happened like will kind of went crazy You know, they would talk about the divorce rumors and so forth and so on it was a big crisis management Many people tell you will was driving around coliform. I mean just he's gone um He brought the way in a club called zen lounge and the will would come in and just be drinking and like just This this wasn't the will and one of the things that Jada has over him will lost it and beat out of jada. I mean beat the dog out of her That's so bad that they had to make a makeshift hospital And they're home so that it couldn't get out to the public So that that pain of will Seeing jada mark anthony on that couch and they're home Right because they even know they were on the set. This is This is fact He just couldn't take it and he whipped her ass So much that she had to get face surgery and everything if you look at her face You could see where she had surgery around her cheeks and all that stuff All right chase. What do you got? That's a lot more of the same. We see stress markers in some areas here It's a lot more about social belonging feeling outcast And we're back to those three words that I had you write down in video one the social belonging and status And that's all I got for this one great Yeah, the thing that I notice here is his cadence is out of baseline. He's got pauses in here again Now something he's navigating and when I say navigating when a person slows down their cadence and their word pattern shifts Usually they don't care. They're thinking about where they're going. He avoids the question when he's asked about the divorce of jailo and mark anthony he says He doesn't answer that question. He is slick. He waits until she says she She goes back and conditions her question and explains what she was asking. She mentions their names and he goes Yeah, he doesn't say that's why they got divorced. He answers a second question which allows him off the hook His hands are now flat on the table. Where'd that come from? We haven't seen any of that up to now And then he comes this whole thing about coming home and Catch her on the couch and that's not firsthand And then listen as he gets to his theory. He's back to conspiracy theory I'm gonna let you pick them out and tell me which ones he's fishing for with the right as he's locking down His anchor points or his aiming stakes And then here's another one where you could ask did you ask will what he thought or you just making that up Is that just something you came up with because it sure sounds like something you just came up with He lowers his voice. He's back down to the right. He's claiming things he does He's claiming things that he's saying without telling you how he knows When I have anybody I'm talking to on hearsay and we're back to cul-de-sac rumors to say who told you that how they know When they see it that changes everything because people spread rumors because people's lives are small and they got nothing to do Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so like everything in life. There's a window. There's a tolerance. There's an envelope of of reasonable So I'm going to talk again about baton gestures. These are the gestures that might conduct along to the rhythm of your speech Just as I did there and we've seen some good baton gestures from him in the past that would cause us to go Look, I think this is an honest thing. You know will was making a film Okay However, there's an envelope of being reasonable with this when he says they had to make Sorry, they had to make a makeshift hospital He battens on every syllable of that. I can't even do it My brain can't even put that together to baton on every single syllable It's so emphatic. It's so emphatic that he's protesting too much. He wants us to believe this Too much that they made a makeshift hospital I would go hospital or hospital and land on the end of it or at the start hospital That would be me because I'd know it was the truth A makeshift hospital. I'd know it was the truth not a makeshift hospital It's beyond it's beyond It's abject nonsense scott. What do you have? Anytime you get famous people together Be it on a movie a tv show whatever they're hanging out There are always rumors and you always hear these things that get loose and oh, here's what happened I saw so and so do it and those things grow bigger and bigger and bigger as more people tell the story We all know that thing where you'll tell something, you know as a kid you'll have a big line of people and you'll say I'll tell you know a little sentence and by the time it gets down to the other end of the line that person says it out loud. It's nothing You know even similar to what you said at the beginning of it It's completely different and that shows you the example of how things change as you tell One time my brother lives in Los Angeles and he writes tv shows and movies And he hangs out with some pretty big haters as far as famous people go I'm just telling you that because one time we had Thanksgiving at his house And this really famous person came over and we're all we're all eating and having the best time and this person's just gotten divorced not long before this And when we you know, we took our the pictures. Hey, you know, it's Thanksgiving took our The regular thanks for giving pictures you taking all that right? They this person leaves Two days later, we're at Ralph's that's the grocery store there in Los Angeles And I look over at like National Enquirer one of those things that says and I'll just call this person so-and-so So-and-so spent Thanksgiving with their ex so-and-so at their ex so-and-so's house For Thanksgiving and it showed him coming out of my brother's house Say like oh look what we found so Anytime you get people together you're gonna these people make things that they everybody out there makes things up And they make things up to make them sound more powerful like they're in like they're doing this and doing that When they're actually not, you know, it's just part of that The process where you go through and make stuff up to make you sound more important like you've done all these things and you really haven't done them and This is what he's doing to make him sound more important as he's saying he's hanging out with will and all these people And doing these things so he can sell more books. I really think that's what's going on here This is this this section here for me is just it's gossip He's just you know Like you were saying earlier, Greg. I'm sure if some of this stuff happened. He wasn't there He just heard it and he's parenting what he heard Transference that's the uh the thing you came up with Greg the the type of lie the extra lie I think we ought to add on to the List of lies is transference because he's he's just telling something that he's heard Tell somebody else that here's what happened And that's not what happened at all One of those tape replays This has already been out there, but I can confirm it So jay when when they did hearth on jay to start with um mark anthony Who is jaylo's husband? Right on they did a tv show called hearth on is that why they divorced? So if you Jennifer Lopez and yeah, yeah, so I so let me let me go a little Let's go let's go a little bit So this is a full-on relationship on the set Like romantic relationship not okay. I just gave him some in you know, that's it like it's it's a relationship um So, you know whale hairs about this and kind of devastated at this point This is where you see all I mean all the papers are going crazy of divorces in a minute and so forth and so on The final straw is when will came home and court jay to um mark anthony on the couch at their home Right and this devastated will Right, I even had a conversation when a will wanted to kill itself Right Yeah, well, well, well, well, well here's the thing When they're together will is comfortable with that will is comfortable with someone It's white when he's there is when he's not there is the insecurities Because I can't tell you why but I can tell you that there's a comfortability When men and women come in to have sex with them will is fine with that So when this happened like will kind of look went crazy Um, you know, they would talk about the divorce rumors and so forth and so on It was a big crisis management Um, many people tell you will was driving around californ. I mean just he's gone um He brought the way in a club called zen lounge and the will would come in and just be drinking and like just This this wasn't the will and one of the things that Jada has over him will lost it and beat out of jada. I mean beat the dog out of her That's so bad that they had to make a makeshift hospital In their home so that it couldn't get out to the public So that that pain of will Seeing jada mark anthony on that couch in their home Right because they even know they were on the the set. This is This is fact. Um He just couldn't take it and he whipped her ass So much that she had to get face surgery and everything if you look at her face You could see where she had surgery around Her cheeks and all that stuff Will don't want that to get out there This is another thing she had to find out about you. I talked to will the will was a basket case Will was a damn basket case like I told you his lover dwayne martin Is anybody can see it on the records that club was owned by will That's what I'm saying. I go these private investigators brought me everything everything to support what I am saying So that lounge dwayne martin said he owned it was owned by will will brought him back The Bentley will brought him back the home he lived in will gave him the money boom Some of the roles that dwayne martin got will call bet to get him on there like this is factual stuff We not dealing in speculation. I'll let everybody else speculate because they're not from the inside You know, I'm from the inside giving you the information to the outside so you know That's when she gains supreme control over will And as you see she put the so she got rid of all of the The top guys around will will you know that were real friends and replaced them with her people If you look at jada, she got her mom and all her friends with her a big teams of people because We don't want to be known as a woman beater And he beat the shit out of her And wanted to kill himself at this point, but I'm not saying that I can don't it but I can see how a man coming home and seeing his wife on the couch and You you trying to do everything in your power to please this woman at some point you got to know and understand That you cannot please jada And you become complicit in the way she treats other people even myself All right, greg what do you got? So we talked about lip withdrawal and you know, you're needing to be reassured watch the amount of lip withdrawal this guy does on this one and I talked about aiming stakes in a in a conspiracy theory when he's going out and saying everything I'm saying he's testing his facts and his facts might be true, but they're still circumstantial Hey, will Smith gave this guy this doesn't mean will Smith was having sex with this guy. That's a that's a correlation That's a big swing to take that correlation Then he's back to ball by pans he had in the Duane store now Could it be that he's feeling like he's really in trouble when he balls his hands up and does that? Yeah, it could be but we have seen him using his hands to illustrate other things And then when he gets right down to the crux of any of the three big heavy hitting Issues his hands ball up. He pulls back away. Then he says all the factual stuff I call those push-pull words when a person says factual I'll go well as opposed to what non factual Tell me about which ones you use that were not factual and we call those qualifiers But push-pull will give you how an interrogator thinks because we can go after it um Just a second. So when I say that that's some of these things are for you for you at home I want you to think about how you can talk to somebody when they say factual pay attention Don't say well as opposed to not factual. That's not the way you would do it as an interrogator or as At home. That's when the interrogator would do it. You might say like which facts You know, I've been paying attention Maybe I missed something and you're putting them on notice that they're full of and you know it Excuse my english You have to bloop me there But you're putting them on notice that they are full of it and that you are going to question them without actually doing it So I don't want you to sound like an interrogator. I want you to sound like a person saying hey I'm not I must miss those facts. Help me out with those This is more conspiracy theory stuff. I'm not saying any of this could all be true But he has not given significant facts to indicate any of this is true and when he did give us facts is Everything about his demeanor changed. He balled up his baseline changed And that's what we look for clusters of behavior changes to tell us that something's up still could be true We don't know Mark, what do you got? Yeah, look and and We're not really going to get the interview here that would get us closer to that truth Why not because this show is about selling 10 bottles of wine Nothing wrong with that because this person is doing a great job Holding our attention around this $10 bottle of wine and I've got no problem with a $10 bottle of wine I will drink with you a $10 bottle of wine all day every day No problem at all, but we have to understand if that's what you're doing You need a certain type of content in order to engage people and this content is doing a good job of that So we get um, how did you know from the interview which is a good question? How did you know decent question? I talked to will he was a basket case Well, what doesn't happen is any follow-up on so what exactly did will Say to you what the the interview gets stuck on is the emotional state of will being a basket case So we've got away from so what did you say? When was that said take me through it? There's no Delving into that. There's just an understanding of He's he's absolutely nutty. He's absolutely off his rocker. That's all we need to know Knock back another swig. Let's keep on going. So Doesn't doesn't really get away from state of mind And then we get that he that he gets private investigators who bought him everything to support this So, I mean, who were these who were they how what methodology did they use like how much did it cost? How long was their process? Were they looking for things to support or were they looking for everything and then you took from that What was supporting did they have a bias or not have a bias? So look, it's not it's not it's not good, but it's it's good for selling this particular wine. I think Then we get I think the most important thing that we see in all of these videos, which is a a signal of disdain and discussed At jada's team replacing wills friends That's the crust crux of this this person is not In the inner circle anymore Jada according to him has thrown out Will's friends could be true could be not true. I just I don't know about that But what I do know is this really bothers him. Why might it bother him? What's your point, Greg? You know, if that's if that's what he's hinged himself to and this person's going down Like he needs to be part of that He needs to be part of that in a in a big way to keep on earning Maybe money, but maybe some kind of cachet or respect Just as you were saying chase status and he's not in that status anymore. He's outside of that circle He's not around the red table So therefore he has to come up with a different red table, which is this demonic Circle and you'll see that on the front of his book a big red circle with the pentagram in there to say These people are demonically bad and and I'm now Pushing myself outside of that on purpose. I wasn't pushed. I took myself out of this I think that's his that's his situation He's upset that he's not in that's whether he was in the first place because it's hard to find I couldn't really find much Evidence in anything that he was saying or anything that I can find elsewhere cursory glance That says he was a best friend of will I can't and Will doesn't even seem to say that about him in any of the literature that Will Smith. I mean, maybe he's the best kept secret of of a friendship And I don't understand why a friend would throw you under the bus like this, but maybe that's what people do Um, I'm I don't get it though Chase, what do you got on this one? Can I go last? Can you go last? Yeah, you can do uh scott therefore. What do you got? All right People get by people that kind of money. They'll buy people restaurants. They'll buy people clubs. Oh, there's nothing that big a deal about saying you Not saying you bought a club for somebody or something when you have when you're living that kind of Financial lifestyle, that's not that big a deal. It happens all the time. It's very it's very common He makes this huge deal about it like it means something really big Like it has something to do with anything If one of these things if you'd come out with one of these stories just one it had been so much more believable It had been a bigfoot story or a ufo story or a ghost story. It had been one of the three when you come out when you when you come out with This barrage of stuff It's it's just a smear campaign. It's just one thing right after the other and everything is bigger than the next Well, not everything. It was pretty big there close to the top there. It was a pretty big one But there's so many things that For example, tmz wouldn't miss some of the stuff. You can't keep this stuff Hidden or quiet too many people talk Like this guy's talking but they talk amongst themselves. You don't they don't write a book or whatever You don't think tmz would have said hey, I heard this. Let's check. Hey fellas. Go check this out Let's see what's going on and come up with something or somebody get busted doing something and all that No, they would somebody would have found out this is this story. He's telling or all these stories put together Is a ufo story. It's a bigfoot story It's an elvis siding elvis siding story because it's and it compares to this it's like a ufo Yeah, that's what it is. It's like if you saw ufo liberace was driving it And then elvis was pushing crates of bigfoot's out the back of it. That's what this is It's this thing. It's just crazy sounded when you put them all together one would have might have been okay You might have gotten away with the one but one after the other that that may be common knowledge among You know people in in hollywood or whatever But that's a whole lot of big stuff With with nothing really to back it up But his what what he's saying because he was on the inside and let everybody else You know on the outside. They don't know what I know because I was on the inside and you're right mark There's some things on instagram where they're paling around a little bit but It doesn't look like best friend stuff to me either You know Greg what do you got Or chase. What do you got you're going last? Yeah, so greg to your point and I wanted to go last because I'm going to send everybody off into this clip with some really cool 3d x-ray goggles to Listen to this clip in a completely different way than you ever would have before Uh and greg to your point about being maybe at a reunion or family gathering or something But the first thing that I teach in behavior profiling Number one, it's like on I think it's the first slide No matter if I'm training an intelligence operative group or I'm training a company The first slide is see suffering first. That's the number one rule that I see Or I use when I'm doing behavior profiling like where's the suffering That's coming from this person. So instead of me judging them like I'm going to find the suffering first Oh, maybe I'll judge later, but there's definitely going to be suffering first. I want to see what's coming out of this So here is The secret message hidden within this clip And I want you to I'm going to go through a couple of little things here Just want you to listen to these and when the clip comes on I just want you to See this clip in a completely different way And hear it in a different way. Here's what's in the clip. I'm an understanding person I'm a good guy. I tried to do the right thing Everything in how I see the world is about who's on the inside and who is on the outside That's just the way that I see the world when I got left behind It hurt and it hurt bad and it was a betrayal that I should not have suffered Will became complicit in how I was being outcast and now that I'm kicked out of the circle There's going to be repercussions Here's what's the subtext of all of that. Why are there going to be repercussions because When someone goes through something that makes them feel outcast and not cared for at all Bad things happen and those bad things are understandable and normal and that's exactly what he says in this clip You just kind of paraphrase all of that He legitimizes a reaction to being outcast He tells like it was okay for will to do some of these things because he was feeling outcast So I also think we're hearing his real rationalization strategy Just how he's rationalizing his own behavior why he's on this podcast in his mind It's coming out through language and this is exactly what's in this clip My goal here was to give you kind of a super human hearing so that you start hearing between the lines And that's all I want you to do so here comes the clip one of those tape replays Will don't want that to get out there This is another thing I talked to will the will was a basket case Will was a damn basket case like I told you Here's a lover duane martin. Is anybody can see it on the records that club was owned by will That's what I'm saying. I go these private investigators brought me everything Everything to support what I am saying So that lounge duane martin said he owned it was owned by will will brought him back The Bentley will brought him back the home. He lived in will gave him the money boom Some of the roles that duane martin got will call bet to get him on there like this is factual stuff We not dealing in speculation. I'll let everybody else speculate because they're not from the inside You know, I'm from the inside giving you the information to the outside. So you know That's when she ganks supreme control over will and as you see she put the She got rid of all of the The top guys around will will you know that were real friends and replaced them with her people If you look at jada, she got her mom and all her friends with her a big teams of people because Will don't want to be known as a woman beater And he beat the shit out of her And wanted to kill himself at this point But i'm not saying that I can don't it, but I can see how a man coming home and seeing his wife on the couch and You you trying to do everything in your power to please this woman at some point You got to know and understand that you cannot please jada And you become complicit in the way she treats other people even myself All right mark, how's it looking to you so far at this point? Well, look, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person And I like a good ten dollar bottle of wine as much as the next person I wouldn't be drinking this particular ten bottle a ten dollar bottle of wine I don't know why it doesn't appeal to me in some way and I wouldn't be buying into this particular conspiracy theory And it doesn't really Appeal to me, but you might you might like both of those You know as they stand I'm not buying either of those two things chase. What do you go on this one? Yeah, if we go back to those three words from video one those three words is social belonging and status this is a campaign Behind a deep-seated feeling of betrayal and being outcast. It's an incredible display of how all of us unknowingly do two huge things Number one We live and speak through archetypes And we heard a character arc and a story arc in here with an archetype of the story And how somebody came back for revenge. We lived this way and the second The second thing we unknowingly Reveal our own struggles our suffering and our desires when we talk through things It's woven into our language And we reveal a lot more about ourselves than we know just when we talk about stuff Which is the whole purpose of this channel great Yeah, talking about stuff is what we do best Let's talk about conspiracy theories mark because I think I agree with you Look if you're going to cast aspersions on somebody they need to be big Especially if there's rumors and you can tap into those rumors then you get to create some real real conspiracy And let me give you a just a little formula for watching somebody when they're weaving their conspiracy theory What they're going to do is start with hard facts if they can give you a hard fact They're pinning you down so that you believe them they've got a foundation Once they get the hard facts in place They'll swing for the fence with that aiming stake and see what's believable Now you have to watch your body language when they swing for the fence You might see this you'll see them fishing for approval elongated vowels as they get that other stake in the ground Chase you talked about it earlier What they do is give you that that um placebo for cleverness And let your brain fill in the path because your brain is designed to fill in paths Once you do that then all they have to do is keep stroking it scott You were talking about earlier not just that but and you just keep fanning the fire and fanning the fire And that all can be believable if a person's allowed to say whatever they want and you can't see their body language But if when they get to the hard facts their hands ball up and their eyes break contact and their blink rate goes up You should be suspicious And now i've got no hard facts And i've got no aiming stake on the right Then the conspiracy theory falls apart when you ask how a person knows you'll find it I think what we're seeing I agree with you guys You're somebody who's jolted as a friend and feels really really hurt by it So how do you best swing for the fence while you make some money in the process? Could we all be wrong and there's all this is true? Sure could be And there's a ton of rumors around hollywood anybody who knows somebody in hollywood knows there's a ton of rumors around this couple And we're seeing her and she's wacky and hard to believe when she does her interviews So who knows scott, what do you think? Yeah, I agree with you on that Again, I think if he'd come out with one story That might have made it the one might have gotten over the fence when he come out with this incredible barrage of This happened this happened this happened guess what else happened and it's just It's a it's a smear campaign. He's mad about something. I don't know what it is. I could be wrong But I think we'll find out he's there's something's happened in there That's made him mad and he's trying to get back at all of them over there So that's the way it looks to me. It just looks impossible to all that To have happened like that. All right fellas, thanks for another good and we'll see you next time