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No, you know what? This is, we got to talk about this because I know as a kid, I was obviously skinny, always trying to bulk all the time, trying to get big. And the first time I actually got really lean because I didn't get lean, lean, lean for a long time. Cause I just, I didn't want to lose any weight on the scales. Like super insecure about that. Right? So I think I was in my twenties and it was the first time I got below 10% body fat. And of course my weight on the scale was lighter cause I'm leaner. And it was the first time, one of the first times people actually approached me in the gym was like, oh my gosh, you look so huge. You're huge. And then I realized it's because I'm leaner and I have more definition that I look a lot bigger. And it's funny, right? So to look bigger. You'd never think that. I mean, I would never think that. All I, my entire goal was just always get big, get big. To tell me that like to cut down, it was not going to happen. Yeah. I know you had a similar experience. Exactly. The funny part about it is how driven we are by our insecurity to look this certain way. Totally. In search of, you know, our peers telling us how great we look or how buff or how big we look. And then the first time that you decide to go in this cut of shrinking down, getting leaner, getting smaller, you get the most, oh my God, you look big compliments than I had in my entire life. So that was the irony in it was I spent at least a decade of bulking consistently and never cutting to finally go on like, okay, well, let's see what happens when I lean out. And then all the, and by the way too, I vividly remember when I was going through that phase, even though I was getting those compliments inside my head, I still felt smaller and I still struggled with the insecurity of not filling my shirts out. As you lean out, I start to look like a coat hanger in my XL shirts. And so I remember that messing with my head going like, oh my God, I'm getting smaller and smaller. But then people were telling me, oh my God, you look so big. I literally had people come up to me in the gym. This is what blew me away is they would come up to me and say, man, you put on some serious size. How much muscle have you gained? I'm like, I've gained nothing. I'm actually 10 pounds lighter than I was before. Like a 16 inch arm on somebody who's lean single digit body fat is way more impressive in real life than an 18 inch arm on a dude that's body fat is, you know, in the high teens. This is just a fact. So, and by the way, this, this goes both ways. A lot of people who are constantly worried about, oh my gosh, I can't gain a single pound. When they gain a little bit of muscle, all of a sudden they look cleaner. How many times have you had that right with a female client where they gain a little muscle and they're like, my husband says they look cleaner, but I'm actually three pounds heavier. So they're all like optical illusions, basically. It is. And I think the moral of the story is your, your insecurities, which we all kind of have, we all have a little bit, right? Your insecurities create a filter and you, you don't have like an objective view of yourself. Well, it's always subjective, but it's really tilted in one direction. So you'll look in the mirror and be like, oh my God, look terrible. And then wonder why people are coming up to you saying you look healthy or you look fit, like what's going on. I feel like part of the size one too has to do, I mean, at least I remember being a teenage boy and like you measured your bicep. Like that was the thing, right? Like if you're all, we all started working out, everybody was starting in the gym. It's like the, the measure of the success of your training was how big is your bicep? And that was like, that was it. There was no, any other measurements we were paying attention to is like, has your, has your bicep grown a half an inch to an inch over the last year or two that you've been lifting? And that's how we all decided whether you were successful or not or looking good, right? It's funny because my, I introduced the movie Fight Club to my son a couple of years ago, quickly became one of his favorite movies. So like, he likes to show his friends, right? And they're watching it and he actually had some friends over. They're watching the movie. And one of his friends commented like, man, what's the name? Brad Pitt was buffed in Fight Club. He was so jacked. He was like 150 pounds in that. Yeah. He was really lean. He was just really lean. So just shredded to the, to the gills. Yeah. And it's, you know, that definition really create, and now what's the moral of this, right? If again, your filter really distorts things a lot of times. So if you're on this like permanent bulk all the time, because you're always trying to look bigger, get lean and see what happens. And again, the reverse is true. Also for people are always so afraid to gain in this more, usually more true for women, but there's guys that do this as well. They're so afraid of gaining any body fat that they're always restricting their calories. And really when they gain a little bit of muscles, when they really get the look that they're looking for. Well, this doesn't support your case at all, but like, because I'm trying to get like these high school kids out of that mindset of like always trying to be ripped. Oh, well, that's different. Dude, but this is such a thing that wasn't a thing back in the day. Like we just wanted to get big and jacked. And that's really not something that's very commonly found anymore. Like, because they always want to like show off the muscles and like do the beach muscle thing. And nobody's really into like stacking plates as high schoolers. Huh? Yeah. See, I don't think it wasn't like that when I was a kid. Not that didn't happen till like 20s. You know, I think they're more aware now because of social media, maybe. Yeah, I think that's definitely going to now the difference with that obviously is in football. Your mass plays a big role in your momentum. Exactly. That's why I'm motivated. I'm like, I need you to eat more calories, please. You know, and that way, like we're just going to have a more effective, you know, body to deal with all of that trauma and, and, you know, stress that we're going to place, you know, in these games. And so you need to have like a resilient, strong body. I don't really care if you have abs. No, there's a weight to strength ratio that's important too, but it's no, there's no weight class, not like wrestling where, you know, if you pack on a bunch of weight, now you're just wrestling a bigger dude like on the field, you know, and you're hitting somebody, if you have 10 more pounds on your body and you've got a good strength to weight ratio, right? So it's not making you super sluggish or slow. And let's say you stay just as fast, but you gain 10 pounds, you hit someone with that same speed, it's going to hit much harder because you're much bigger. So that's totally different than what I said, you know, at the beginning of it. But that's a good point though. Derailed. No, no, no, that's a very, very good point. When you play sports, you want to consider that kind of stuff. And the weight class sports, people need to consider that as well. Like I know guys, I knew guys that would take performance enhancing drugs to gain muscle and strength, but they competed in weight class events. So the problem with that is you're taking gear to move up a weight class, now you're bigger and stronger, but now you're going against guys that are naturally at that heavy. Comfortable at that weight. Comfortable at that weight, naturally at that weight, you're going to get your butt kicked by them. Yeah, and that naturally have a bone structure and ligaments and tendons that support that size where you've artificially inflated your muscles to get that size, which you've just got that part. You're missing the skeletal structure of that 240 pound guy or whatever. Oh dude, a fit and strong geared up 240 pound guy versus a fit and strong natural 240, totally different. Well, do you know what, and if you pay attention to what these guys walk around like off season, the ones that are normally the most dominant, there's always exceptions to the rule that like great fighters with that, but the guys that are normally dominant in their weight class walk around naturally like 30, 40 pounds heavier and they had to cut really, really hard to get down that. So a guy who walks around, let's say the weight class around 210 walks around 250 cuts down to get into 210 weight class versus the guy who is a 180 guy juiced out of his gills to get up to 210. I'll bet on the guy that walks around at 250 all day. Yeah, if all things are equal. Yeah, exactly. Obviously fight skills make a big difference in that, but for the most part, that guy has a huge advantage. Yeah, but you know, when it comes to aesthetics, right? So we're not talking athletic performance, just aesthetics. Definition plays such a big role in how muscular and fit you look. Like I said, I've lost weight, but because I'm leaner, I get comments like you look like you put on muscle and mass. And then on the flip side, I remember this used to happen all the time, especially with female clients where they want to lose weight. You know, that was the number one goal for most people. And I would obviously talk to them about speeding up the metabolism. We would bump calories a little bit first, lift weights to build some muscle so that we had a nice base to work with when I would have them cut later on. And sometimes on the scale, they would gain a couple pounds, right? So they'd lose a little bit of body fat, but maybe gain more muscle than they lost at first because we're bumping their calories. And they would always come to me and be like, this is so weird. I've had three coworkers come up to me and ask me how much weight I've lost. And I've actually gained two pounds on the scale. I'm like, well, the muscle gives you shape. It gives you this sculpt. And so the appearance, so aesthetics is so different than just the scale, right? Or so different than just what the tape measure says. It's much more than that. And we often get our own way because of our own insecurities. You guys talking about fights and stuff, did you guys see what Jake Paul just did? No. He just bought, I don't know if he bought outright or bought into, I think he's invested in, heavily invested in the holding company over UFC. What? So he is trying to influence fighter pay and fuck with Dana White. No. Yes, dude. Dude, he's, he asked, okay, he's going down. How big of an event? Like, is he like, does he have like a, check out, check it out. He owns UFC like, is it Zufo? Well, the Lazar brothers or whatever I thought are the ones that I believe own it. But he, so the way I read the article was it was no, it was not them. There's a holding company that has, that has the UFC or has the, has something to do with the insurance and the pay of fighter pay and medical stuff, right? Okay. He is bought and invested into them with the intentions of being able to influence their, you know, rep, retirement plan, their pay. Here it is right here. Invest in UFC parent company to fix fighter pay from within and troll Dana White. Okay, but I think, I think what matters a lot with that is how much he's invested because I could invest in a parent company too, but I could have no barely any say because my investment's peanuts compared to, I don't think it's peanuts. So I'm pretty sure it's a, it's a healthy chunk. I don't know if he could, I don't, I doubt he owns majority, but I'm sure he got himself a board seat. Who's the fighter that he just, he stopped fighting UFC, one of the most dominant fighters, really good wrestler. What's his name? He's from, he's Eastern European. He used to wrestle bears. Come on. Yeah, kid. What's his name, dude? Why does nobody know what's going on right now? No, no, no, he's recent. Yeah. He's a more recent fighter, wrestler. He just, he's one of the most dominant fighters. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. Jesus Christ. Weight class would have helped. Yeah. I think of a monster heavyweight right now, bro. I got no sleep this week. If you said the first letter of his first name and last name, I don't know. Anyway, so he apparently sent Jake Paul a contract or like stipulations to fight. Like, here's what I'll do if we fight or whatever, an MMA fight. Like literally fight could be. Potentially. What? Yeah. Maybe you could look. Well, he's calling out Canelo right now. Yeah. He just called out Canelo recently too. I mean, he's like, what do you do with this guy? He's the ultimate troll right now. Yeah. I mean, what he's doing as far as keeping media. I mean, he's like the Donald Trump of like fucking YouTube stars. Yeah. He is trolling the shit out of Dana White and he's trending all over all the time. Oh, there you go. So, Khabib offered him an Eagle FC contract. Now, Jake Paul's team is saying that that didn't happen. So that that could be super weird. You know what he's done, which is interesting. I don't think that would be a good fight at all. I mean, that's. If it's MMA rules, he would just get. That would never happen. Yeah. But isn't he way bigger than Khabib? He is, but he wouldn't do it. He, first of all, he wouldn't do an MMA fight period and he most certainly wouldn't pick Khabib as his first MMA fight he would do. He wouldn't do that. Yeah. He's just trying to get all these guys to box and that's the big knock on him is that he's taking wrestlers and jiu-jitsu guys and he's boxing them and taking them out of taking their strengths away from trying to put them in regardless. I mean, you've got to give the kid credit though for the what he's done. I mean, bro, he's literally wedged himself in and they ignored him, but it's hard to ignore him because he keeps just like the heel for like all sports. Now, well, this is why I think this, this move is really interesting that if he actually got a seat on the board of the parent company of UFC and actually has some influence over Dana White and I mean, even if it goes nowhere, just purely to fuck with Dana White. It's got to be so annoying, dude. If you're Dana White, you know. Can you imagine him at night just like getting that news and like you probably broke a few phones. Well, you know, because you're in a weird position. Do you let him in and fight? Well, he's validating. The big thing he's campaigning right now, more than anything else is the fighter pay, which by the way, I'm curious to your guys's thought on this because there's, it's really easy to be sitting on the outside exactly as a viewer and go, look at boxing, compare boxing, which has been around forever and established the amount of money running through there and be like, here's a boxer who just got $30 million for a fight, right? They have way bigger purses. That's like way like the whole entire fight card on a UFC fight is less than one main event. So I have a strong opinion on that. So that's true. However, we are looking at the top boxers and looking at and forgetting the fact that almost no one else makes any money in boxing. So with the UFC, although the top fighters make a lot of money, they don't make as much as top boxers. There's lots more opportunity for all these other fighters. Like you tell me that's an interesting thought. So your theory is that there is way more discrepancy with in boxing. So there's a huge, there's a bigger gap in between boxers than there is UFC fighters. It's just the way it's, it's the way it's put out and promoted. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of how music was when before YouTube and before Apple iTunes where you had music labels and you had these musicians making shit tons of money. But if you're like, if you're not that good, but you're good enough to make some money, you had nowhere to go. Whereas today there's a lot of musicians on YouTube that they maybe wouldn't get like a normal record label like they would have in the 90s, but they're, they're good enough on YouTube to make millions of dollars. So the total, so if you look at the total, I bet you there's more opportunities in MMA to make some money than there's in boxing. Whereas in boxing, you either make a shit ton or you do nothing. That's an interesting thought. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know if that's true or you just, you're just speculating. That's from, from the information that I and the research I've done. That's what I believe to be true. Now I'd love for somebody to, no, no, there's nothing on that. But I would love someone to, to, you know, who's in this random person. Is your zoo friends again giving you fucking fight advice? Hey, that's such an old. You gotta come out of the snap. Like, I mean, like fortune cookie or something, you know, something a little more relatable. Nobody knows snappling. Hey, how was your guys weekend? By the way, you guys all have a good week. I know you were up with your friends. Yeah. Oh, it was wild. It was a wild, wild time. I mean, I forgot that like, I just have no endurance for like partying or anything. Like I'm such an old man. Like I just can't even, you know, like I just don't have the, so it was wild because I took a lot of the guys up that were part of my initial poker group and we have fun and it's like, it's one of those environments where it's just like a constant roast, right? So like, everybody is just like, you know, up for grabs and it's, it starts out really funny and like everybody's digging at each other and then it becomes like exhausting. Yeah. Okay, what are you gonna say next? Like, yeah, you got me? Yeah. So you're just like always on edge. Yeah. Like who's coming at me? Oh man. But it was funny. I took them out of their comfort zone and brought them to the ski slopes and it was great because they had, you could tell like, how many of them could ride and how many couldn't out of the seven? So there was, yeah, so there was me and then yeah, three other guys. So, so four of us went and snowboarded. Oh, not all the guys went. Not all the guys went. Two of them stayed back and yeah, or three. And so, yeah. So we went, we went up there and it was funny because the first of all, like not, we didn't have like gear for everybody. And so my friend Bo, you like, you showed up and it was like 20 degrees. It was freezing. Like it was like just that, that kind of like bitter cold in the morning where you're like, oh, and he's just wearing shorts. Gangster. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. He's totally gangster. Well, now was it because he's cooling shorts or because he's just one of those guys that doesn't- Does he ride well enough to wear shorts is okay? You know, in like the ski school movies, you know, like the guys are just rocking like, you know, tank tops and all that. I'm like, is he going to pull this off? You know, like, but he knew he was going to have to get pants at some point. But yeah, he initially like showed up wearing shorts and I was like, dude, you're a maniac. Did he last? No, no, he had to get pants. And there, you know, when you go to buy them there, they're like a million dollars. Like I'm sorry, bro. They're like really outrageous here. Like you're totally screwed. He's like, what's the return policy? Yeah, exactly. Ride them with them, put the bags, flip into the bag. Dude, we should have figured that out. Every time I go up there though, I get so freaking dried out. And then we had sun, like I didn't wear any sunscreen. You didn't bring your caldera? Dude, no, I did. So that was the only thing that helped. It was almost like if I was the driest of dry sponges and then like put like a couple drops of water on it and it's just like stuck it up. It's what I felt like on my face, dude. My lips are still just like cracked. So what, okay. This is the part that I don't get. And I think I brought this, I brought this up to one of you guys. This is off air. We're talking about this. As a kid, I went up to Tahoe all the time. Never once do I remember having issues with my lips cracking and it being super dry. Now that we live, we have a place up there and we go up there a lot. It's so bad. I don't understand it. As we get older, there's some... You're just weak sauce now. Stupid. No, really though. I mean, do you remember going up there when you were a kid? You know what? Yeah, I don't remember being all dry. I mean, it is so bad. Kids are moisture. Like I remember to pack the caldera. As soon as I get there, I put the humidifier on. All that stuff are awesome. I'm fucked. It's that bad. You know what? I think sometimes, I think, A, you get older and your body just, you're older. So you hurt more, you get drier, more. You notice things more, I think. And that's the other thing. That's the other thing. I think the other thing too is when you're a kid, you don't even notice certain things. Really? That's what I think. I think you said that to me and I'm like, I don't know, bro. My lip will split. And you can't not think about that the whole time you're there. Every time I bite something, it splits open more and it's bleeding. I don't know. So you want to know what's interesting. When I used to train, I used to train a lot of surgeons at one point. And one of them told me that when you do surgery on kids, he goes, it's so strange. Because you'll do a surgery on an adult and they'll sit in the freaking bed. I need more pain medicine. Can I take two weeks off? And then with kids, they'll hop up and run. We have to stop them. And he's like, they don't know that they're supposed to be in bed and hurting. Have you ever seen a kid like that? I remember when I was a kid, we would play outside. You almost never would come home without being scraped up from falling on the concrete or whatever. I didn't care. It's all a mindset. I think that's a big part of it. Well, there you go. A lot of it is. That just pulled up. Ageing makes skin more susceptible to dryness. Dry skin and older dolls can be simply sign of age-related skin changes. Boo. Boo. Adam coming in with the science today. Well, I was looking, I was trying to give Sal like a science layup right there. I thought maybe you'd have the answer for it. I have no studies on this. Yeah, I thought you'd have any good explanation. Hey, this isn't, this isn't. He's like, you know, it's, you're getting old, bro. He's tired today, guys. Hold on a second. The name of this website is today's geriatric medicine. So I mean, how old are they talking here? I don't know if this is a good excuse for you, Adam. You know what's, okay. So back to the, to the sponsor Caldera. So you know what's interesting about that? You and I could not have any more different skin. Obviously different sides of the shade spectrum. But also you like humidity, like I hate it. My skin, my skin is oily. It just is. That's just very, very oily. Your skin is more on the dry side. We both use the same product. I was afraid at first to use Caldera because it's a serum. It's oil. I'm like, why would I put oil on my oily ass face? I'm going to look like... Don't wind up on oil. Yeah. I'm going to look like a stereotypical olive oil, you know, Sicilian walk around. No, it actually balances out my skin. So it's got like this balancing effect, whether you're oily or dry, which is I think one of the reasons why it's super popular. Anyway, we went down to San Diego. Oh, a couple of things. So first off, it was the first time we'd been away from the baby. Oh, how did that go? Okay. So who was... Remember, you guys asked me this. So who was the first parent to like give in and check in on the baby? Um, I mean, we were both kind of checking. It wasn't a big deal. Jessica did so well. I thought maybe she would kind of worry and freak out. Wow, that's awesome. Now, the good, the one of the factors that probably contributed that was the... You know, he was with my mom. So when they're with someone that you really trust and whatever, I think that kind of takes away some of the nerves. But no, it was a good time. So we went down there for Christina Rice. So she launched her book. She's in that spiritual kind of realm now where she talks about manifesting your future. And it's... Which is, I don't understand much of it, but I do really appreciate Christina. And I was there and it was a big event, right? So like, you know, I don't know, a hundred people were there and they were all there to see her and she does this speech or whatever. And I'm watching this and she's still... I think she's still in her 20s. So she's still a young lady. And I remember when we first met her as a kid. I remember we called it. We saw her as a... And a lot of people don't know this. We met... She's a little closer. We met her... She was only like 19. No, she was in her early 20s, I would say. Oh, really? Yeah, I'd say like 21 maybe or 20. Oh yeah, she was a baby. She was a kid. I thought she was even old enough to drink I thought when we first met. Maybe 20, right? So we... Great story. So, I don't know, six years ago, five, six years ago, early days of Mind Pump, one of the strategies to grow the show was to get on as many podcasts as possible. Yes. And we used to do these podcasts. Podcasts are... Yes, we do these podcast runs, right? So Adam and I went down to LA and scheduled like seven podcasts in like two days. And we're going to be back to back and one of them canceled. And I remember, you know, our assistant calls us, hey, you got a cancellation. Do you guys want to just take that break? And we're like, no, find someone else. Well, Christina had this little podcast at the time and had been contacting us. She's like, do you want to get on this girl's podcast? It's small. And we're like, yeah, let's do it, whatever. We show up and this kid in her little apartment answers the door. Two big ass grown men. And she was super assertive. No, like she wasn't shy or intimidated, sat us down, ran the whole podcast. And Adam, I'll never forget, we left. We made, we became friends with her and we left and we're like, she's going to do something one day. It's great to watch her, you know, do that stuff. So it's really, really cool to watch. So we had a good time down there. I know, I wish I would have been there. Speaking of our podcast friends, I have to bring up the dumb kid that decided to go after Max Lugavere this, this weekend. Oh, gosh. What happened with that? Oh, you didn't see that? No, I was, dude, I was in a whirlwind. So, you know, there's, he made a mistake. So well, this is really popular, right? Where you, you do like a clip of, you know, somebody else talking. Oh, and you roast them. You wrote, and you basically make faces or something. Pick it apart. Yeah. And so there's this kid. I forget his name. Maybe Doug can pull it up. The BD carpenter be something like, something like that. Right. So we'll look, we'll put it, we'll put in the show notes and then we'll definitely have a clip right here that Andrew can put up so people can see exactly what he did and said. First of all, it's completely anti science to say that there's no such thing as a good and bad food. Anti science is a strong claim. Are you saying there is zero research to support this? And the bad foods are the foods that drive you to overeat. These are the ultra process foods that by the time you've eaten them to satiety, you've already over consumed them. I mean, that's true. Ultra process foods do tend to be easier to overeat on average. But the properties of food, how we talk about food, these are separate. Referring to foods as good or bad is a characteristic of black and white or dichotomous thinking. Multiple research papers have concluded that rigid attitudes tend to be linked with worse outcomes. Dichotomous thinking may make it harder to maintain a healthy weight. There is an actual eating disorder scale based around it. Hence the discussions around whether having a more flexible attitude towards food would be helpful. I personally quite like this review. I partner wrote it. Not referring to foods as good or bad is not pretending that all foods are equally nutrient dense or appetite regulating. It is acknowledging that taking a massive bucking spectrum of foods and splitting it into two simple lists may fuck with people's psychology a bit. But I mean, it was Max on our show. And it was Max talking. Sal and Max were talking about good and bad foods. Is there such a thing? And why is this whole movement to just say there's no such thing as bad foods? And why is that? And so it's literally like a 15-second clip that somebody had clipped of him. Yeah, so it's missing context. Oh, yeah. It's missing an hour and a half of context, right? That's so annoying. And so this kid is probably much is picking the whole thing apart and roasting Max about it. And so, I mean, I got on there. I think Sal ended up getting on there. And the thing that I just don't like about this, and I remember, and I said this on my story that you remember when we were going to do this? Remember, we shot all the green screen in here and we were going to go through YouTube channels? Yeah, we were going to go through people's, yeah, their YouTube channels, see their techniques and like kind of break it down. Right. And we did a, we did a handful of them. And when we watched them, we all just didn't like it. We all negative. Yeah, it felt negative. Yeah, it felt douchey. It felt like all we were doing, and we don't know who these people are. And of course, the original thought comes from a good place. As I think this kid is coming from, I think that he's coming from a good place. He's trying to educate his audience. But here's the problem when you go around and you cherry pick 15-second clips of people's content. You have no idea, you grab, you grab somebody who I happen to have a lot of respect for. And I know they think there's like a bias there because he's a friend. He's like, no, if I have a friend who I think is giving out bad advice and you roast him, I could say shit. Max Lugovir is a good guy in the space. He's one of the good guys. Yes. So it's the wrong person to take something out of context and try and, it's just stupid. Yeah. It's BD Carpenter. Is that what it is? This is the guy's name. Yeah, so he went on, and by the way, I hate, I know where they're coming from, the whole, there are no good foods. There are no bad foods. You know, it's like, oh, it's everything you want it to be. No, no, no, that's, that's bologna. There are good and bad foods, depending on the person. And you know what they're saying? Oh, this creates bad relationships with food. No, it doesn't. The bad relationship does not come from objectively saying, that's bad and that's good. The bad relationship comes from saying, that's bad. I did that. I ate it. Therefore, I'm bad. Now that's the bad relationship. Right. Yeah. It's not that that's, you can objectively look in the mirror and say, oh, I'm overweight. Some people would say that contributes to a bad relationship with yourself. You're not overweight. It's all shapes. We're all this. No, you, you can be obese. You cannot be obese. That's okay. That's called being objective. The problem is when you say, when you identify with it and say you're a bad person because of it, that's the issue. Well, and the problem that I had with this was that this is exactly what we discussed on the podcast. I mean, on the podcast, we go into depth about that. And I, and the thing that annoys me is that I know that the kid who's putting out, he's got his contents pretty good. Like he's a smart, you can tell he's a smart kid. You know, he's with, so he fit. Remember Lane Norton's old partner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're a couple, right? They've been together for like two years. Science-paced kid, smart, giving out good information. But the way he's doing it is just, I think it's tacky. I think it's a cheap way to get views and people looking at you at the end. What I don't like it is, and I don't feel sorry about getting on there and roasting the kid either because it's like, listen, that's the risk you take by doing shit like that. If you're going to pluck a 15-second clip and you make a fucking mistake, then you're going to get it. You're going to get it. You're going to get it from somebody who knows that person and actually knows the content they put out, read their books, and is going to defend that person. You know what the problem is? The big problem is that a lot of people, all they have in their, you know, in their sites is growth. Grow my audience. Get more attention. But really if you're in the space, and not everybody can be this way, but I hope that the best people in the space really are looking for good intentions for people at large, that's kind of like what we try to do. So when you pick things apart, be very careful because what you might end up doing is confusing the shit out of people to make your stupid point. Like if I say, you know, barbell squats are one of the best lower body exercises, and then some idiot gets on there and he's like, oh, I'm going to counter this, get a lot of views. Squats are not good for everybody. What if you have this polymorphism in your femur bone, and I'm like, okay, technically, yeah? What does that apply to? To who? And you know what you just did? You just convinced a bunch of people that find squats hard that they don't have to squat anymore. They don't have to do anything to get better squats. And so to make your point, you just... Based on like a fractional percentage of people that might have like that kind of a discrepancy. Well, the truth is this, like there's this movement that's happened in a lot of spaces, and it's starting to try to enter into the fitness space, and it's this non-objective, everything is good and bad, depends on how you look at it. You know, call it what you will, wokeism that's trying to come into fitness, where they're saying things like, you know, healthy and overweight, or, and you can be healthy and overweight, or that it's healthy to be overweight, even worse, right? Or there is no good and bad, or no, no, no. The key is you to be objective, accept it, but then don't identify with it. You're not a bad person because you don't eat perfect. Nobody does. You're not a bad person because you struggle with certain things. Everybody does, but that's okay to say, hey, look, you know, doing cocaine on the weekends, probably not good for you. It's not a good thing, right? But if you do, that doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person. I know I used a crazy example, but... Did you hear Jordan Peterson talking to Rogan about like this kind of stuff? Yeah, about how like culture is dissolving, because of like a lot of these, you know, normal like sort of standards that everybody sort of agreed upon are now, you know, like, there's all the fractional considerations and all the other angles that then, you know, sort of, it just dissolves. And then once it dissolves, you know, it spawns out even further. And then the culture completely like disintegrates. Yeah, what a great interview, by the way. It was, it was... It's a long one. I'm only halfway through right now. It's like four and a half hours. You know what I like about it? It's one of the things that highlights Joe Rogan's talent, because he's very different, right, as an interviewer. Yeah. But one thing that he does very well is he develops a chemistry with the person he's interviewing. Yeah, he mirrors really well. And he makes them really comfortable. And so they just go off into conversation. There's such an art to that, too, by the way. Yes. Off air, we've kind of debated and argued this little bit. I think he's a brilliant interviewer. Some people talk shit. I agree. Oh, he's a meathead guy, and all he does is he goes off on tangents. Yeah, but I mean, I think, I think you're more of a fool to think that he doesn't know exactly what he's doing. I think he's, he prepares, he's been doing this for a really long time. You don't get the size of the audience he has by just winging it. He's also curious and he's open. Even if he disagrees, he'll ask questions and likes to hear different sides. By the way, this made him, and behind the scenes here, we called it. I could see what he was doing and I'm like, he's going to be targeted. Sure enough, he is now a political target because Oh, hard right now. Because people are flocking to him because all other media is so narrated and controlled. And they don't want anything that counters their message, what the story is. They just look at him as a threat and dangerous. He is a threat. He's free to speak however he wants. He doesn't fit into a box. So he's a big threat and he talks to lots of people and it's ridiculous and they're going after him, which is crazy. It's ridiculous because he has people on both sides. I mean, he's had Tulsi Gabbard on there. He's had Bernie Sanders on there. He's had plenty of like left wing people, right wing in the middle. Like I agree. He's just curious and he's, and it's funny though when he has someone like a Jordan Peterson, like all of a sudden, we want to cancel. Wasn't it the good ideas win? Right. Like, don't you need to like sift through all that to figure out like which way to go? It's such a pussy thing. Like, okay, you disagree. Get on there and debate. Make your own choice. That's it. Like come in with better facts then. You know what though? Rogan is very hard to cancel because he's been very open and authentic from day one. That where he's got tens of millions of fans. And because his fan base grew with him being authentic and real. If you kicked him off a platform, you would only make him a martyr. He would only grow in his popularity because now it's going to justify the whole like, he's the counterculture. He's telling the truth. It's kind of crazy when you think that he, you know, he sold and went to Spotify and probably what would have been happening to him on YouTube right now, had he been on YouTube as his main platform right now. Yeah. They would have totally de-platformed. Don't you think so? Like I think that he would have, he would just, I bet they would have been pulling stuff. So it's kind of crazy that, I wonder if that was stuff that was said to like behind the scenes, like when he's talking to them about, because he had to see the right on the wall. I mean, he moved from California. Well, they were already pulling some of his episodes on YouTube when he was on there. Oh, were they doing that? Yeah, he was trying to work through that, you know, what the reasons were. And it was super vague and they didn't have any like real distinctive points like of contention where they're like, listen, this is what you said. For sure that was talked about there, right? Yeah, so it's like, you know, you probably saw like patterns with that and it was like, you know, I don't like this. Yeah, it's, I don't know, man. It's these artists. What was his name? Neil Young. Nobody cares. I'm not going to put my music. Okay. That was, yeah, that was an interesting one. Like it's so random. Yeah, the same guy. What's his famous song? Something in the freedom. Freedom, yeah. Oh, come on. Keep on rockin' in the free world. Not really. Yeah, I mean, it's, I think it's ridiculous to try to cancel them. That way you're getting kicked off. You're starting to see the mob of people who are all following the same narrative. Oh no, we got to get Joe Rogan off the air because. Tell us who to get next. Yeah. So since we're talking about political stuff, Cummion on what's going on up in Canada right now, is it like one of the craziest protests we've ever seen as far as the size of it? I think it was like over 50,000 truckers or trucks. Yes. I don't know what's true, right? I've just, it's. You know what's weird about that? Did Trudeau actually like get COVID and like leave or is it, they just hiding him? I don't know. It's such a convenient time. But I tell you what, it's, it's, it's been almost media blackout, which is really weird. It's one of the largest, most organized, peaceful protests ever. Yeah. And consider this, only 15% of the truckers in Canada were unvaccinated. So that what they're protesting are vaccine mandates, not the vaccine, but the mandates. Exactly. It's a big distinction. And it's way less than the 50,000 trucks that showed up, which means you have vaccinated and unvaccinated working together against these mandates. So it's a super organized protest. I've getting lots of messages from Canadians where like, this is awesome. Because it's tyrannical. I mean they shut down gyms again and didn't give a date where they were going to allow them to reopen. There's still so many people that are pro all that though, dude. So the Warriors just played the Nets this, this weekend? Can we give them their own state? I don't know. Is it? Yeah, we live in it unfortunately. I know, that's right. My bad. The, the Warriors played the Nets this weekend and the Nets have Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is, is one of the players who has decided not to get vaccinated. And he is from New Jersey, right? So New Jersey, New York, California, some of the hardest rules when it comes to the mandates. And so he is not allowed to play in his own home, home court. So he can't play at home games. And so he only plays away games because of how straight and he, because he's decided to stick to his guns and so that they just figured this out. This is like never happened like this in history where a player can't play. He's like the best player in the team. And so we just, we just played them in, in California, right? At Golden State and they did a poll on, you know, should they have allowed Kyrie to have played us? Because California has the strict rules also, but they allowed him to play in the away game against us. And over 70, 73% said he shouldn't have been able to. I think that, yeah, the fact that he's decided not to get the vaccine that they should keep him from getting paid. You know, we did an old episode. I forgot who we were with. I might have been Jordan Shallow and this topic came up and it was old. This is before everything went down. It was Shallow. And our stances were exactly the same and there's follows. If you're a private organization or company, you're free to do that. If you own a business and you say, you can't come in here unless you're vaccinated. I mean, it's your free, your freedom to associate with whoever you want. You're free to associate. Absolutely. And that's, that's a kind of fundamental law of, of being in a free society. But it also means if two people voluntarily want to meet or work together, that's none of your fucking business. And allowing the same entity that can jail you or find you or legally kill you, the power to force you or coerce you and to injecting something in your body. Really? Do we really need to argue this? Like just look historically at all the crazy shit that they've done in the past. We're just going to ignore completely the Nuremberg. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, I don't, like that's a bad idea. And you know what's funny? Okay. So here we are two years after it, after everything that's gone down. Compare the states with the strictest laws to the states with the looser laws. By the way, compare total deaths, not just infections and whatever. And what you'll find is almost no difference. You have higher suicide rates. You have higher rates of depression. You have economic problems which cause more deaths. We caused more problems than we were trying to solve with our overreaction. I'm going to stand by that always. And I think more people are realizing it. So this is ridiculous. Well, the other thing that's happening right now that I wish that you would have said publicly on the show, because I don't think you brought it up on the show. I know we talked about it off air many times, was as soon as the narrative started to change around COVID and that it's starting to get less. Being the fears waning? Yeah. And people are being less and less fearful about what's going on. You were saying that we're going to go to war. We're going to have, the next thing is going to be, we're going to blow the horns for some other country. It's the next button that you can connect to. Here we are now talking about. You're literally sat in here off camera and I literally said that. So the fears waning, they're going to start international foreign threat because that gets everybody together. Start beating the wardrobe. Yeah, because war is a really effective way of get, or the threat of war, gets everybody behind whatever the administration or the president is saying. And sure enough, that's kind of what they're doing. And by the way, the shit that's happening, Ukraine's been happening for a long time, but now we're beating the drums a little bit. And it's just, that's what I think. I think it's political. Like, hey, midterms are coming up. Let's get everybody behind us to scare them a little bit more. It's crazy that we even want to, because it's a bordering country to Putin, right? And why would we even want to go in there? And I love how we try and make it look like it's him who's the crazy bastard, but here we are parking our shit right next to his borders. Imagine if that was done to us. Like imagine if people started. Well, they did try to do that in Cuba. I know. Well, and then we're going to happen, right? So that's my point. We try and make Putin look like he's this awful person. And I'm not defending the man whatsoever, but the point is we are, by coming into Ukraine, encroaching on them more than they're encroaching on us. Ukrainian president actually said that. He actually said, I know more about what's going on. I'm here and the U.S. president is politicizing. I mean, something along those lines, he said that. You know what the truth is, the Cold War showed us this. We will not go to war with another nuclear armed country. It's just not going to happen. If it would have happened, it would have happened in the Cold War. Believe me, it was a close call. But nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to go to war because nobody wins. Everybody, you know, ends up dust. So this is a lot of posturing, I think is kind of what's going on. For sure. Not to mention Europe, a lot of European countries rely heavily on Russian fuel and energy. So I think Germany's like 50% of their natural gas comes from- I think it's more or not. Or maybe even more. So that's a big, you're like, that's a big vulnerability type of deal. So I mean, I'm always anti. I'm almost always. By the way, if you look at all the pretenses for, or kind of how we start lots of wars, there's a lot of lies that lead up to a lot of them. I mean, there really is. There's a lot of manipulation just to get in there and get support. Yeah, just kind of, I don't know. I mean, don't you feel like, I mean, with not only the fear of COVID, but then also where the economy's going, I almost feel like they're definitely going to push that way. Like when you said it, I totally, oh yeah, I can see that happening. Where now I'm like, oh yeah, it's gonna happen. Yeah. I feel like that's what- You know what I'm afraid of? I'm afraid that they're gonna take this because I highly doubt we're gonna do a war with Russia. At most it'll be proxy. Like we'll support Ukraine with weapons and stuff. But here's why, here's what I would be afraid of. We would never fight. I don't, it'd be very unlikely that we go full on war with Russia. It was two nuclear armed countries, same thing with China. Not see that happening, yeah. But I could see us using that to target Iran, which we've been trying to mess with for a long time. Iran's not nuclear-powered. And we'd love to go in there based off of how they've talked in the past. And because they're kind of allied with Russia, it would be interesting to see them twist it into- Did to Iran. Well, I mean, look how we did that with Iraq and Afghanistan, which is pretty funny. Anyway, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Speaking of which, did you guys read this article? Did you guys see that they changed the ending of Fight Club in China? Okay, wait. You told me about it. Remind me the ending. You never like fulfilled me in on that. Remind me the ending. I can't even picture right now what happens. Yeah, so remember at the end he shoots himself and kind of kills the alter ego, which is Tyler Gurdon, right? That's when he's sitting up at the top of the building and he's in the chair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he sits down and then the girl comes up or whatever. And then they watch the buildings of the credit, you know, unions or whatever credit companies explode. So at the end of it, he does cause anarchy or whatever. Well, the Chinese government said, we won't release this in our country unless you change the ending. And in the ending, the new, what a shitty ending. The authorities win. He gets caught by the authorities. You'll never get away with it. Isn't that funny? You're under our thumbs. Yeah, did you guys know that that's happened, that movie endings have been changed in different countries before? I didn't know that was a thing. That's funny, dude. One of the ones that I was aware of as a kid, I was a big Godzilla fan as a kid. Nice to watch all the Godzilla fans. Oh, I heard about this. Yeah, it was because it was so, it's Japan, right? That has Godzilla. Japanese, right? Yeah, so like, and then King Kong is American. And so like, in America, they showed King Kong winning. And then, you know, Japan, just, you know, cause a competitor. Yeah, isn't that funny? I didn't know that. So you could, I've never seen the version where Godzilla wins. I've always tried to find. Okay, so they have to like, you have to like, negotiate that before you write, before you play it or the rights to that. Like, you can't just take somebody's art like that and change it and then sell it in your country. Maybe the few more owner knows that. They have to. Yeah, I mean, they create that. Yeah, I'm sure what happens is that someone like Japan or China, whoever decided, comes in and says, listen, we're not going to play this in our country. Or we will give you, you know, $30 million for the rights to bring in our country. But then we're going to change it a little bit. We're going to change it in. I'm sure they go, okay. Well, I know the Godzilla one was made in Japan and they wanted to sell it in the US. So they made the alternative ending, thinking it would sell better in the US. Oh, so they did it for us. They did it for us. With China's done some interesting stuff though. They've done stuff where they're like, replace this, this African-American doctor with a Chinese doctor because we want to make sure that the doctor's Chinese or this anti-government, you know, speech right here, cut this out or whatever. And they've done that to lots of movies. So that Seth Rogen movie, you remember the one, not the dictator. The end one. The one where they're in North Korea. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I'm so surprised that, yeah, the interview that that was still released because wasn't there like a lot of contention, especially like... It was right around that time too. Yeah, North Korea was getting all heated about it. I know, that was a great movie, by the way. It was funny. Yeah, it was hella funny. The Hayes Cousin. Anyway, I got to bring up a study that I think is very interesting. So Jessica got back. So we had the little Juve Go unit, the small one that you like used on your face. She gave it to her grandma for a while. And we got another one for ourselves. So now she has it again. She's using it again. And I can always tell after about a week and a half, two weeks of her using it regularly, like you could see it in her face. She did like less. It just looks more supple or whatever. And yeah. And she's like, I think she goes, does red light affect acne? Because every once in a while, she'll break out just a little bit. You know, you can't really tell. She's got really good skin. But she's like, I feel like it affects acne. I had no idea. I looked it up. Red light therapy reduces inflammatory acne by over 60% in studies. And non-inflammatory type acne, like whiteheads and blackheads, by over 50%. That's huge. Wait, explain the difference of acne. So there's whiteheads and blackheads, which is essentially clogged, like a clogged pore or whatever. Okay. That causes a problem. Then when it becomes inflamed, there's like a small amount of bacteria that causes an infection. So that's when it gets kind of red or whatever. Yeah, pimple or whatever. Yes. So reduced inflammatory, because it reduces inflammation, speeds up the healing process, kills some of the bacteria, apparently. So over 60% reduction I read in a study of red light therapy. I did not know that. On acne. Dude. That's interesting. So many benefits, dude. Well, that's a big deal, because try and find an over-the-counter market that reduces acne by 60%. Yeah. You're not going to, especially not if you have cystic acne. Yeah, well, she, because you guys have, I saw you got- We have the big one. You have the big one mounted in your room, which I want to do the same thing. I don't mind like leaning against something. I want to mount it like that. Does she use that one too, or use the Go one? And like, what's the, I mean, obviously the Go is nice because she could probably prop it up or wherever she's sitting and hit it on her. She mainly uses the Go because she likes to use it on her face. Yeah. That's how Cassie, Cassie, when she does all computer work for us, she just sets it up on her desk, like right here, while she's just working and just rotates it from left to right, like that, and just blasts while she's doing that. Oh yeah, yeah. But the big one I'll use sometimes for recovery and stuff. You know what the issue is? You have to use it consistently. You don't, you're not going to get anything after one. You don't notice it unless it's been a long string. You put it in your routine, 10 minutes, you know, maybe every other day or every day. Yeah. And you, I swear, it's, I can tell, I'll come home, I won't even know she's been doing it. And I'll look at her face, I'm like, you've been using the juve again. She's like, oh yeah, you could totally tell, huh? I've wanted, so what I want to do, and I wonder if there's a listener who's done this, is I want to mount it like in the bathroom by my shower. So I could, so I want to do it where I'm like naturally getting naked all the time, where all I'd have to do is maybe stand there for a few, because I'm already showering and I have glass for my thing, so I can be shooting it on me while I'm showering, then drying off. And then when I get right, just maybe a few more minutes, I wait there. And if I did that, like every single day, because that's the only thing is sometimes I'm really good about being consistent with it. And then other times I fall off for a little bit. And I definitely know the difference. You can tell, it's not one of those things where you do it and then it's like, you get the benefits and then they stay with you forever. It's like, you have to stay. It's like exercise. Yeah. It's kind of one of those consistent things. I wanted to ask you, you had brought this up last week about, there was a new book, Scotty Pippen had written it, and he had talked to you about Michael Jordan. Yeah. Did you learn any more about this? So, I mean, so that there's a lot, there's a lot of theories that that's why he did it, right? Because he's got a book, and then he has something else that he has coming out. He was just in the last dance. So the rumor is that that's part of what made him upset is the way Jordan talked about him in the last. What did he say? I never watched it. You're just giving that back. I totally don't agree with you guys. So it's hard to like even explain like where he's coming from. It's just the way that they talk about Pippen as like the other guy, you know, the versus like how important he was to all those titles, which he was. I mean, he was a, he was a very important player. Yeah, but your teammate was Jordan. Right. But and I don't, and I honestly, I don't feel like Jordan has ever not given him credit. Like I don't, but everybody else makes it so much about Jordan that it's made him. So what did he say in this book and stuff? Like, what's he talking about? I mean, I haven't read the book. So I don't know the exact, exact verbiage that he used, but he was basically just talking shit about Jordan and just he's an ego maniac and it's all about him and like, well, and like what all he did and that he didn't get any credit for it. And so all of it, I think is a ploy to get people to buy his book. He's been irrelevant for a long time. And so I think getting some controversy, anyone who sees the cover of that book, Pippen, Pippen, how much of that do you think was directed by, you know, the publishing company and wanting him to like trim it up? That's an interesting thought. Like, you know, would they do something like that? Would they ask him to do that? There's a, most people think he's been bitter and sour for a long time. But at the end of the day, he's responsible. Well, yeah. He's got his name on the book. I'm not saying he's absolved of that, but I'm just like, like him like trying to think of some ways to get an angle of like controversy. I think it was his idea. I think he, I think he's been bitter and sour for a long time. And it's been said about that, about him because he's made comments, like in interviews before, like subtle comments before where people were like, Oh, that was kind of a hate or comment. Why would you say that? So I think that I actually think it came from him for sure. I think, and then with the last dance, just coming out when a couple of years ago, which yeah, was all about Jordan. Yeah. Cause I mean, that's a lot of the critics are going like, what the fuck bro? Like this is your boy. You guys, I hate that man. It reminds me of when Jose Canseco came out and was talking to Crowley and everybody. And yeah, it's like, listen, and when people were like, you know, with Lance Armstrong, it's like, man, you aren't a team together. Like what happened to loyalty? You know what I'm saying? Like if you do a bunch of You're all there doing it with them. Look, here's the bottom line. You do a bunch of dirt with your friends and you're part of it. You don't get to say shit later about your friends. You can talk about yourself all you want. Yeah. But talk about your, you were there with them when you were doing this year. Just cause you're less successful or like didn't have as many accolades, you know, you're gonna throw everybody else in the bus. I lose so much respect. You know, like if you want to talk shit about yourself and what you did in the past, that's fine. But you talk about the dudes and people you ran with in the past and you all did it together. You just sound like a week. I mean, just these athletes, okay, most of them, right? Obviously over generalization to say all of them, but most of them have massive egos. They were all the best. Of course. Where they came from. Yep. And when you are a guy like Scotty, who is arguably one of the best ever, like he's a great, great player, right? And you got to play in the shadow of the greatest of all time. Sure. You know, it's tough on the ego. And everybody, whenever they talk about those bulls, those championships, it's always Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, or Michael Jordan and the rest of the team. It's never Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan took on all the stuff. And so, yeah, I bet that's, I bet that's been eaten away with them. Now the irony is this, Scotty Pippen was actually paid more in the final years of playing for the bulls than Jordan was. Wow. Than Jordan was. I don't know that. Has Jordan signed an earlier contract before the contract started getting really crazy? So I can't remember it was like a 10 year or what, but it was a bigger, it was a bigger contract earlier that Jordan had. And Pippen's came up later, later after they had won some of the championships. And so he was, he was being paid more. So that's the part that I think is really annoying. It's like, bro, you were making more money than Jordan. And, and you don't hear him bitching about I didn't get paid as much as, as Pippen did, like that he was all sour about it. It's like, dude, you got paid, dude. You know what's funny? It's like, you know how many good, you know how much good music, art, innovations, and whatever we missed because of egos when it comes to teams? Like how many, like how many bands broke up because they got popular and they can't handle that the lead singer gets all the attention and the drummer's like, what about me or whatever? You know, it's ridiculous. Like you wouldn't even be here if it wasn't the fact that you guys were a team just work together. And again, the loyalty part is really weird to me. It's like, there's no loyalty left. The ego, ego is a very, very, very powerful thing. It is. You know what though? I have to say this though. I'm saying this is a 42 year old man. These guys were in the, their prime popularity went in their 20s. Yeah. Yeah. Like I mean, I wasn't very, I definitely wasn't very nice when it is grounded and balanced. We say it all the time. If this would have started, if we were 25, it wouldn't be where it's at today. And a lot, all of that has to do with, it wouldn't have to do with us being good or not good trainers or even our experience because most of us had enough business experience under our belt. It's literally the ego. Egos. We would, you know, it's really easy when you're broke and or you're a rookie, right? You're just coming in and you're, and we have this common goal to be great, to make lots of money, to be successful. Right. And then when you reach that goal, that's where things get like all crazy. Cause it's like, we didn't think beyond that. When we were, we were so tunnel vision on winning, we are so tunnel vision on scaling this company. It's like, I don't think that we would have, there would have been any mishap between us if we're 25 in the first couple of years while we were building, we would have had our heads down and like grinding to start actualizing some of the success of it. That's right. That's when, and that's the same thing goes for like these athletes. It's like, when you're, when you're, when you're nobody, when you just get drafted, when you're early, it's like, we all have this common goal. Then success happens. Then the money comes in and now it's more than just that because you've reached that. And so now you have to look deeper within what I want. And a lot of these guys don't realize, Oh wow, it really wasn't about winning. I want the acknowledgement. I want to be known as the guy who built this. I want to be known as the, the leader of the team. Like, so that's the irony of that is, as you get, I don't know if this is true for everybody, but as I get older, like way less, that's way less, not only is it less important, I'd rather not. I'd rather be, I'd rather not. Well, that's your wisdom. Yeah. I'd rather be behind the scenes. That's your, that's your wisdom going like, you've seen what all that attention causes as I do too. I think all of us, all of us are like, I don't want to be that guy. We talk all the time about, man, when we get to build this thing big enough that we can fucking get away. He's a walk away, get behind. So nobody has access to us because you see what happens to a lot of these people that, that want that attention so bad. It's like, then they get it and they're like, oh fuck, this is not cool. This is one of the number one reasons why I think one of the worst thing that could ever happen to a young kid is to get famous. That's gotta be one of the worst things. Famous or just a windfall of money, right? Like just a godly amount of money. Imagine you're 18, 19, and all these people fawning over you, telling you everything. I mean, imagine when you were 18, if everybody told you that everything you said was great. Yeah. How, how little you would have grown. You have nothing to keep you grounded and balanced or anybody checking you on your bullshit. No. And then when it's too much power, too early. Yeah. And then inevitably, when you're not as popular, how crushing that would be when you're a kid and you grow up with that and now, you know, you were a child star. Oh, you're so cute. You're so great. Oh my god. And then you go through puberty. Oh, nobody pays attention to you anymore because you're going through the ugly stage which happened to a lot of child star. And then they get on drugs and they get, they commit suicide. Not, not cool, man. People think it's great, but no, it doesn't work that way. Overrated. Hey, what's up everybody? 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How can you progress using body weight training and still make gains? This is actually a good question because I'd say the challenge with body weight resistance training is exactly that. Like how do you progressively load the body? How do I increase the resistance when my body weight is no longer sufficient for the exercise? I think it's only a difficult question when you think of it in the context of progressive overload as always adding more weight. There's many ways that you could progressively overload the body without and we did a whole episode, by the way, dedicated to this. I think it was like called 9 different ways to... I think it was like 9 different ways to progressively overload the body. Something like that. Maybe Doug could look it up while we're talking. But that's why this seems like a difficult problem. It's like, oh, God, what am I going to do? Keep wearing sandbags. You don't have to overload the body all the time with that. Here's one. Slow down the tempo. Weigh down. Slow the tempo down or incorporate isometrics. Do slow down the tempo, pause at the bottom and hold for 5 seconds, increase the reps. At speed, go something that's explosive. So there's a lot of different ways that you can overload the body. Change the angle. Get more gravitational forces. We're going against you. That's right. Yes. So you do have to get a bit creative. It seems because it's not just like just adding a load is going to go ahead and provide that type of progressive overload. You have to get... You have to work with the other acute variables, the other factors there. Tempo, intensity, like holding in like you mentioned with isometric training and with difficulty that way. Yeah, I do want to add something else though because I think that's part of it but I don't think that's the main thing actually. I'm going to disagree a little bit. Not that you guys are wrong or totally right but I think the big one is that most people don't know more than the basic calisthenic exercise or body weight exercise. So people know push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, lunges. But they don't realize that like with a pair of rings, there is a whole bunch of very, very challenging, high tension, high resistance body weight exercises that you could do. And there's just a whole bunch of them. So I would say like, okay, yes, there's your traditional exercises and yes, you could progress those. Like I could go from a body weight squat to like a pistol squat, for example, which dramatically increases the load, right? I could do push-ups elevated and bring them all the way down to the floor, maybe even elevate my feet. Like that's one way to do it. But you could have a pair of rings which are very inexpensive or you could use just suspension trainers which are very similar. And now you've opened up a whole plethora of different exercises where you can really make the resistance high and advanced. I mean, look at... Look at gymnastics. Yes. I mean, that's probably your best example of how they figured out how to make the intensity, increase the intensity and also like progress you into moves that you couldn't achieve before. So now I can do a muscle up just from starting off, being able to do good pull-ups to where I could get my body up higher and higher or get like ring dips where I have to go super low. So I can work on all the transitions which then build strength to then accomplish even new feet. So I really think this is just... It's a lack of understanding how you can overload the body because I see this even... Forget body weight. This is a question that I think the average lifter gets and their answer always is a different machine or adding load all the time. So I mean, you could keep squat, push-up, body row or pull-up and manipulate that so many different ways to keep overloading the body when you need to get creative. You don't need to go do any crazy exercises. You can incorporate, like I was saying, isometrics in there. You can incorporate tempo. You can incorporate plyometrics and explosiveness. Pausing. You combine some of those variables. All... I mean, you could literally not mess with the handful of body weight exercises and just manipulate all those variables and continue to see results in the body. And the reason why I think that's the problem is because I see this even with people that have the gym membership and have access to all the equipment. We always think that, oh, to get stronger, I got to just keep adding weight to the bar and that's not true. Yeah, I mean, you make a really good point because at some point even with traditional free weights, the answer is not to add more weight, right? At some point, the risk versus rewards, you know, ratio starts to become a little bit not so great. Like when I was squatting 150 pounds for 10 reps, and that was a real intense set for me, going up to 160 and then 170, like there's a lot of reward to risk, right? Once you get up to, for me at least, once I got up to 350, 400 or more, I could add 10 more pounds if I'm stronger, but now the risk versus reward ratio doesn't look the same. Now, if my form's off a little bit, which sometimes it is, my chance of injury goes up. So now, once you get to a certain level, you're going to have to look at all these different things. Yeah, you could add 10 pounds to your 600 pound deadlift, but you might be better off slowing down, pausing, changing the way that you do the lift to make it more challenging. Here's something that really good lifters know how to do. They can take an exercise that they could do for 15 reps to failure, and they can fail at five reps if they wanted to, just by changing the feel and the squeeze. I did this today, you know, doing pull-ups. I think if I go max out pull-ups and just wrap them out, I can get close to 20, but if I really stretch, really squeeze- Make 10 hell of hard. Yeah. You squeeze your body like super hard doing these, making like a more intense, like full-body tension workout out of you. You can do a lot to these exercises. Yeah, so you just got to get creative with some of that stuff. Isometrics is a big one. I tell you what, like, especially if you have something that's like immovable, like if you have chains attached to the ground or something and you're driving against that, like the force you generate is the force you generate. You get stronger, you just generate more force. As long as the chains hold steady, you are progressively overloading every time you do a max effort with isometrics, and that's a very overlooked part of resistance training. Nobody, you know, isometrics, I believe in the future, is going to make a resurgence like everything old that's good does, and people are going to rediscover the value of it, and you need almost no equipment to do it. In fact, with intrinsic tension, you need no equipment at all, but if you're more advanced, like I said, you could use something immovable, which requires so little space, and you get tremendous benefits. Next question is from Helen Ack. What are the pros and cons of using a lifting belt? Oh, good. See, usually the question is, do I need one or why should I use one or not? But I like this. Pros and cons. I do think there are pros and cons to a lifting belt. So the obvious one is, well, if you're going to compete in an event that allows you to use a lifting belt, you should train one because there's a skill and technique to it, and you just want to get good at it. But now let's talk about the pros and cons for the average lifter. One of the cons of using a lifting belt is that it's a different form of core stability, or to put it differently, it's a different muscle recruitment pattern with core stability with the belt. So when you wear a belt, you've got this external force, or external thing around your waist, and the way that your core develops or creates stability with the belt as it pushes out against the belt. And then that creates more stability. When you don't wear a belt, it's a little different. So it's a lot of activation of the core in both of them, because the argument used to be, oh, you wear a belt, you get less core activation. Not true. You get just as much core activation. It's different, though. I mean, the argument you can make though, Sal, it's a lot different. I mean, it's the complete opposite. One of them you're training to push the core out. The other one you're teaching to draw and what your different skills. It's different skills. So that would be a con, right? Like, why would you want to get stronger in a way in the gym that you're not gonna be able to really apply as much in everyday life? So there's one con. Now I'll give you a pro. The pro is it can allow you, because it does provide some more core stability you probably generate on your own, it does allow you to overload some really strong body parts, legs, so like squats with the belt. You'll be able to add 10, 15, 20. Some people can add 30 more pounds when they know how to use a belt really well. Dead lifts. You can use more weight so they can overload the back a little bit more. Overhead press for some people, it allows them to lift 10, 15 more pounds with their shoulders. So there's that argument there. So that would be, I guess, the two pros and cons. I will say this. I almost never had an everyday client use a belt. Almost never. But also full disclosure, I use a belt. I use a belt when I squat and I deadlift. And that's just because I trained that way since I was a kid. I'm too lazy to train out of it. Other than competing, I have pretty much all cons. But in terms of, I was trying to think of that in terms of breathing or belly breathing if you didn't have a belt on where it's advantageous to focus on pushing out, embracing in that fashion. I don't know if that correlates which I don't think it does. I can't think of a real life application without the belt where you're trying to, you know, promote that type of a mechanism. But yeah, like for the most part, I just, I think it's good, like, let's say in a situation where you're really pressing yourself to kind of go beyond your natural limits to acclimate to a belt and then start to build that type of strength and support. Because it does, I mean, here's the thing when you have really heavy weight, you don't want to have to be conscious of too many things at the same time. You want to kind of have that aid and support when it's a competitive environment. So I definitely see some benefit to that. Well, another pro, when you walk in wearing a belt, you look serious. Yeah. Especially if your name's on it. Yeah, yeah. Beast. I mean, it's, yeah. Yeah, if you have a nickname or your last name on the back of your belt when you walk in, not many people think that it's your first time in the gym. So there definitely is a little bit of street cred that comes with carrying a belt as far as a pro. Honestly, I'm kind of like Sal. I don't use it as much as Sal does, but I have trained myself to use it. So I do like to pull it out every once in a while. Not very often though. Like I have to be chasing a PR or like really going heavy for the day for me to pull it out and just kind of see where I'm at. And the truth is what I know now, if I were to, if I was starting all over on my weightlifting journey, knowing that I have no desire to be a power lifter and get into that category at all, I probably would never use one. I agree. Because same thing. Yeah. I mean, I just, but I have used it enough times that I know how to use it. And so it's an advantage, right? So like I can deadlift and squat and overhead press more weight with the belt than I can without. So it's purely an ego thing. Sometimes I feel like getting in there and pushing more weight than I normally would push. And so I know I can strap the belt on and I know I can get an extra 3% to 5% out of my lift. And so I do it. But if I were to train a client or train myself from the space up again, I wouldn't use it because it doesn't have to your point, Justin. It doesn't have any real application in the real world. And in fact, if anything, it could crutch you because you're used to pushing out on that. And if you were in real world, bending over to pick the couch up or my son or do something and I were to try and brace that way, I could potentially hurt myself instead of bracing inward and supporting myself like you're supposed to. Now I got to ask you if this is still a thing in the physique world, in terms of wearing the belt as sort of a waist-shapening with these trainers. Yes, it's still happening. It's part of the justification for them to defend themselves when they get caught doing a tricep pushdown on the cable machine. So if you catch a men's physique bodybuilder guy doing tricep pushdowns or cable curls and they have the belt on, you're almost certain that they're doing it with the intent of they have it sucked in really tight like a waist trainer and they think they're shrinking their waist. Yeah, I've seen people wear weight belts on so- Seated machine exercises. Well, it became a very popular fashion statement in the last decade or so. It really wasn't that, I don't remember it being that popular when we were first like lifting. You know who popularized it for a second? Charles Glass, by the way, one of the best bodybuilder trainers ever, right? And I had to say that because there's a difference between a bodybuilder trainer and if you trained everyday average person. When you're training these highly developed extremely gifted genetic anomalies who are on anabolic steroids and all that stuff, then sometimes this kind of stuff makes sense. It's an extreme sport. And that's what he did. He would put his athletes in a weight belt because remember the issue started happening in the 90s where bodybuilders would get so big they'd get that distended belly. And so he says that it helped. I don't know if it did or not, but that's kind of why it became popular and why you would see them wearing a belt when they did seated bicep curls and stuff like that. The irony of that though is I would actually make the case that that probably made it worse because again, like you said, in a train, it trains the core to push out versus draw in the vacuum maneuver and teaching bodybuilders to do the vacuum more, I think would have tremendous value because then you would be, you naturally kind of hold your stomach. And also you don't activate the core less by working out in the belt. You activate it the same amount. It just activated. Different. Totally different. Yeah, you know, here's the thing. Like for me, I started using it as a kid because I got introduced to it by power lifters who taught me how to squat and they told me you got to wear a belt. So I did and now years ago, I used to use wrist straps a lot when I would work out all it because bodybuilders did. So I read the magazine. So I did it took me a year, maybe a year and a half to get my grip to catch up to my back strength. I had to go through this whole process, getting my hands stronger, getting rid of the belt now would take me another year or two to really get, you know, comfortable. I just don't, I'm lazy to do it. This is why I still use it. And I have a very interesting relationship with a weight belt. It's become like my cape, you know, like I pull it out. It's the same one I've had forever. In fact, I gave the one I had when I was 16, a way to one of my clients because it was so tattered and beat up. And did you start coming out to like dramatic movie theme song music? No, no, I'm not like Lane. Okay, I know. No, but I had this belt forever and I gave it when I finally stopped training clients when we, you know, went full-time with mine pump. I gave it to him as a gift and whatever. And I still have another one that I got when I was 19. It's the one, it's a blue one I still use. So I got this interesting thing with weight belts. But if I, what you said is so true, if I could go back in time, I would have never used it because there's no need. Yeah, you're not going to be a powerlifter. Either am I, I have no intentions to do that. And so then it really has no real reason why you would want to train with it. Yeah. Next question is from corn on the cob 2733. How much protein powder should I supplement with? I weigh 240 pounds, so eating 240 grams of protein is very difficult each day. The short answer is as much protein powder as you need to make up the difference. Now here's the long answer. I have experimented with this myself. I've done this with clients. For whatever reason, and I know people are going to argue with me and they're going to pull up studies and protein is protein. I have never gotten as good of results eating half of my protein from protein powder, even if all things were equal, then if I got all my protein from food. I agree with that. So and you were really. Yeah, I agree with that. Meticulous about this. I did a whole, I did a whole time or one show where I allowed myself to use bars and shakes as much as I wanted. Even if it meant I had to, you know, even if I meant I had two bars and two shakes in a day to make up most of my protein. And then another time where I went all whole foods and I just, I felt better. I felt I looked better. I thought I leaned out better. All on the whole, on the whole foods, it just, it felt better. And I know that's just my experience with it, but I specifically tested it because I was curious. I really thought, because I had already speculated on it. Like I'd seen like my, the, my body just didn't look the same. And when I, whenever I'd hit my protein intake from all whole foods, I just seemed to build more muscle. It just felt better. And I don't know what it was. And you were controlling calories and everything. Yeah. Would you, would you attribute that more to the digestion differences or the like assimilation differences? What I would attribute it to is that I think it's the unknown still for us. There's still, there's still value in real food that we still, we act like we know everything. It's so funny sometimes without arrogant, we are like with science, right? Cause we've come a long ways and we do know a lot. We know a lot more today than we did 50 and 100 years ago when it comes to nutrition. But there's still a lot of things. And just, there's probably something in a whole piece of chicken or steak that I'm getting that is that is helping me out more than just some dehydrated powder that condensed the version of that where, you know, and they've, and they've tried to fortify it to be as natural pairings of like potential nutrients in there. Yes. You're 100% right, Adam, because we only know what we know. So we can make something as perfect as we think we can make it based off of our current knowledge. It's like baby formula. 100%. There's another example right there. That's something very well studied that they've been, there's a massive market there. So you better believe there's a ton of fucking research to try and make baby formula to be just like breast milk. And yet we still learn. And yet we still don't. Every, every year a new study comes out showing us something different or new about breast milk that we didn't know before. Yeah. Same thing with food. We discover a new thing about food, this new compound, this new bioflavonoid, this new whatever that's in this particular food that does this thing that we didn't know about before. So I agree with that. Now, where science is amazing is, I did that show where I had, you know, four shakes and bars almost every day making it up from stuff like that. I still look badass. I still got lean. It still meant calorie-wise. Like it didn't throw off my tracking. So we've got it close enough that you're going to be okay. But boy, it just seems to be better when I get it from Whole Foods. And I noticed that I could get away with maybe not hitting. So for example, if like let's say 240 is the number and I got 200 grams of all Whole Food and I, but I didn't get the other 40 grams. And then then another example, I get 240 but 120 of it came from the protein powder. My body seems to have respond, will respond better to even a little bit less protein but coming from Whole Foods than overloading with the protein, but almost all of it coming from powders and bars. Here's the question. I can't explain it. Yes. Yeah. Now here's the real question is are you better off missing by a big amount and not supplementing with protein powder? No. I think that's why I used example 240. Yes. Because if I was if you were like 150. Yes. Yes. So I that's 100%. So I think the key with protein powder is this, you have it and you have it and you use it when you miss your target. That's it. I personally, I used to tell clients and I still kind of stand by this is like one shake a day is probably okay. You know, like one shake, maybe have it when it's most needed and convenient tends to be post workout because post workout, people in a hurry and I got to have the shake real quick or whatever. Personally, personally, shakes for me are always best at the end of the day. At the end of the day, I, you know, it's oh, it's eight o'clock at night. I'm going to go to bed in a couple hours and I don't really feel like eating. So let me see. Oh, let me kind of loosely figure out my protein. Oh, I'm off by like 80 grams. Let me throw a 60 gram shake or 50 gram shake in there. That's how I like to use it. And that's how I recommend. That's how I've used it. You will not supplement still will not replace a whole natural food. So the goal is to get as close as you can with whole natural foods and whatever you miss, then you can use supplemental protein. There's one last thing I want to address on this question because we don't know. We're assuming this person that's that's trying to hit 240. They're 240 pounds. We're not assuming that. We know that they tell us that. But where your body fat percentage makes a difference to on how detrimental missing the 240 mark. Yeah, if you're too, if you're trying to hit to if you weigh 240 and you're 25% body fat, you don't need to hit 240. Right. You're okay if you're short. Go off of your lean body mass. That's right. So if but if this person is relatively lean, say they're 5% body fat and they're 240. Well, that's more than relative. That's shredded. Well, yeah. But you know, there's a big difference, right? So I use extreme analogy. That person, you want to be hitting 240 for sure. Otherwise, you're not maximizing the full potential of building muscle. But if you are, you know, higher body fat percentage and your lean body mass to say only around 170, you know, 180, well, then you're okay falling closer to 190. Now, the next question, I know this isn't part of the question, but I'm sure people watching this are going to wonder, what's the best protein powder in that case? Which one should I take? It really doesn't matter unless your protein is low. If you're eating low, if there's a low amount of protein in your diet, then the protein type makes a bigger difference. Animal proteins are better than plant proteins, generally. But if your protein intake is high, it really doesn't make that big of a difference. We're really literally splitting hair so you can get your protein from plant sources, animal sources, whey, eggs. It's all good. As long as it's high, doesn't make that big of a difference. Next question is from the entity known as Manny. What are your opinions on stretching before and after workouts? You know what? I'm going to talk about the after workout. Okay, so static stretching. So we'll talk about static stretching. That's when you hold a stretch for a long period of time. It's that traditional type of stretching. It's what most, I guess the average person will think about when you say stretching. Post workout, especially when your your muscle is pumped. There's some evidence. Actually, there's a decent amount of evidence that deep stretching induces muscle hypertrophy. Now, the hypertrophy that you get, it's a bit of a short gain. So you'll see this immediate gain and then it kind of plateaus. Nonetheless, I've experimented with this where I'll work a body part and then I'll do a really deep stretch of that same body part at the end of the workout when it's really pumped. And I do notice some beneficial effects. So I'll start with that. I think post workout stretch, and you don't have to worry about the CNS at that point. You know, making a muscle maybe disengage a little bit. Who cares you're done with your workout? Static stretching post workout, especially in the muscle that's been worked and pumped and warm. It's actually kind of cool. It's an advanced technique. Give it a shot. I think that stretching in general is fantastic. I just think that it's applied incorrectly. You know, we used to say, stretch with purpose, right? So if you're going to don't just stretch to stretch. And I think that I think stretching has been promoted for so long as it's so beneficial. So you should stretch all time. And I think there was this idea that you should definitely stretch before you go in and work out. And it's been applied incorrectly when you hold a stretch. And I'm speaking specifically to static stretching, which is the most common way of stretching, which the average person is used to seeing. So if you hold a stretch for 30 seconds and beyond, you know, it doesn't matter what it is. You could be stretching anything. And then you go into an active workout. Not a good idea. You've basically relaxed those muscles, relaxed that body. And then you're going to call upon it to do something either explosive or heavy. And that's just not smart, dangerous. Not a good idea. Doing something more like mobility that where you're or an active stretch where they're short holds. And you're basically just kind of warming the muscle up, right? Pumping blood and fluid into there to get it warmed up and prepared or get better connected. That's a great way to start your workouts. And then post, I agree with what you're saying, Sal, incredible to stretch post, incredible to stretch throughout the day, the rest of the day too. There's nothing wrong. When you're watching TV, get down and, you know, in the pigeon or in a 90-90 and do a nice hold and stretch. I think that's phenomenal for you. But before you go into a workout, you're not wanting to send the signal of the body to relax. You want to be active and alert and ready to go. And when you static stretch before you go into a workout, that's exactly the signal you're sending to the body. Yeah, I mean, would you guys really do a static stretch any more before a workout? Never. Never, right? I mean, unless there was like some serious, serious limitation that was limiting you from even being able to do these types of movements and get into positions. But other than that, I mean, the whole intent Good point. of, you know, working out, adding load is to create tension. And then I see it more as like in post to then relax the entire system and be in that state. And even if I were to static stretch to like get a muscle to get out of the way so I could do something else, for example, it's easy for correctional exercise. Right. So like, okay, so, but even then I would do something dynamic or active afterwards to kind of, for example, okay, like someone trying to stretch their chest out, right, or warm their chest up before like a bench press, but their shoulders are so tight and pull for like, maybe you would do this static stretch on the anterior delt to kind of relax the shoulders a little bit so you can then do this kind of Open you up. Yeah, open you up so then you can do this kind of dynamic warm-up for chest, but then I would still do something dynamic to reactivate the shoulder. So I get them to relax so I get into a deep stretch on the chest. And then you still need support. So it's not just, yeah, passive. So I would never just do a pure static stretch by itself. I think a better example would be, I would do this with clients sometimes that there was so tight in the front of their body that they couldn't do a proper row because literally it kept their shoulders forward. So then I would do a static stretch of the chest, which would just get it out of the way and then we could do a better row and since the chest is not involved in the row, it wasn't really that big of a deal. So to kind of break this down a little more, here's what happens when you do a static stretch. The reason why you improve the flexibility in that short term, when you hold a stretch, by the way, your muscles don't get any longer and they don't become more pliable like if you warm rubber up or something like that. That's not what happens. What happens is you're sending a signal to the master of muscle contractions which is your central nervous system and the signal is saying, hey, it's cool, you can relax a little bit, stop keeping this muscle so tight. That's why when you hold a stretch, you find like, oh my God, I can go move a little forward. Oh, I got a little bit more range of motion because the CNS is literally starting to relax. One more part of that, okay. And this is actually, this came to me today because I was taking Doug through some stretches this morning while he was working out. If your goal is to do a static stretch, to increase that range of motion, let's say at the end of a workout, you have to relax and breathe through the stretch because if you keep your face tense and tight and you're trying to hold, you're sending a conflicting signal to the central nervous system. You're saying, relax the muscle, but wait a minute, the rest of me saying, keep everything tight because I'm in a lot of pain. So, and I learned this in yoga. I remember I doing a Yin yoga class. You gotta breathe through it. Yeah, and there was like tensing and the lady comes over and she goes, start breathing, relax. She's like, your body's not gonna loosen up if you're like, oh yeah, it makes perfect sense. So, I just kinda sat in it and opened up a little bit and it totally worked. But yeah, pre-workout, dynamic stretching, mobility work, priming, post-workout, static stretching, and I think that's kind of the winning formula. Yeah, absolutely. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness or health goal. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So, Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump Salon. Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.