 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the final word joined by Matthew Owens in the blue room. It's been far too long mate. It's been far too long mate, this place looks amazing now. You can see yourself on a screen up here and everything. Unfortunately but now it's happy you're back. I'm looking sharp mate, looking sharp. It's great to have you back and it's great to be sat here on a Monday whenever I won a Premier League game on a Saturday. Which is the first time since September 27th I've been able to sit here on a Monday Felly mae'r unrhyw fwy ar beth gynnig i'w lle eich trefiad. Mae'n gweld yn ddweud. Felly mae'n ddweud, ond mae'n ddechrau.. Byddwn yn gofyn, mae'n dweud yna gwneud. Mae gennym yn nodi. Felly mae'n yn ddweud. Mae wedi gweld yn fwy o gwneud sy'n ddweud. Felly mae'n gweld yn ddefnyddio. Mae'n ffordd mae'n ffordd. Yn ystod, wedyn 안에'n mynd â ddechrau, dweud i ddefnyddio'n dweud y ni- Pen i wybodaeth yn ystod. Yr casol eich wneud i ddyluniad alimentos yn dwylo'r awrfodau. Mae'r ddweud eich cys Yahraig. Mae'r dafod i ddechrau'r hwn. Mae'r ddweud eich ddweud eich ddweud. Mae'r ddweud eich ddweud. Mae'r ddweud eich trefl spyllus. Mae gydiannaeth fel instability fel diogelettau. Mae'r ddweud eich ddweud eich ddweud. Mae'r ddweud eich ddweud. Mae'r nu eich ddweud eich hynna, o gynghoro datryw. Mae'r newcastle ar gyfer y dyfodol yn ymweld o'r newydd, mae'n ffordd o hyn oedd ymddangos yn ddefnyddio. A dyfodol y ddyn nhw'n ddoron. Mae'r newydd yn yw'r gwneud o'r parwysau mae'r amddangos. O'r cyffredin fel y cyfryd, mae'r newydd yn ymddangos yn ymddangos, mae'r newydd yn ymddangos yn ymddangos. Mae'r newydd yn ymddangos yn ymddangos, mae'n gwneud i'ch gael blaen, ond mae'n gwneud i'ch gael bod yw'r newydd yn ymddangos, The Newcastle game was a bad one, I wasn't at the Brentford game, but Saturday the place was transformed, the performance was different. It feels like he's tapped in to what Evertonians won pretty quickly, and he knows what Everton are about pretty quickly as well. I think that's come across in what he said, and I think it's come across in the way in which he's tried to get the teams to play in those two games at Gouldersham Park as well. You're absolutely right, there were sort of the managers available, but you look at the three and obviously dunk was warning, you think, okay, I'm dunking every day of the week over Vita Parer. And maybe other people, but I think Lampard as well, he's an exciting coach, just because he's young and you're looking and thinking, well, we need a freshness. But I've seen a few people moments, it's not like Pep Guardiola sat there and gag and clothed a couple of others and you're going, nah, we're going to go over here, it was the way you panned out. But he's come in, he said all the right things, and I think what impressed a lot of people is also the coaching staff that he's brought in. Isn't it Paul Clements, yw Edward's young coach, of course he's actually called young as well. It's not something you usually pay attention to, is it that? When we got to Samuel Lee, it was a bit like, that was a bit yikes that time, but otherwise, the sort of people that are names. But it seems like he's surrounded himself with good people and obviously as a club we want to grow and we want to develop, we want to get forward. And it feels like he's a manager that sort of wants to make the same sort of journey. He's not someone who's been to the top and it's sort of on the way down like Angelotti or Bonita. We don't know if Frank Lampard's going to be a really good manager or not, hopefully he is, but if he is going to be, he can sort of go on that journey with Everton and this team as it progresses. There's a lot of young players there that he can work with. It feels like early days it feels like a good fit. It was weird at the weekend being in the ground of full time and having a manager come over to the Gladys Street. I think Bonita was obviously very coy about doing that, because if he'd done it when we'd won and then didn't do it when we'd get beat, he would have got caught. But it was a bit like, because obviously we've not been in the ground for a long time because of the pandemic, we've had a manager who was quite standoffish in Bonita, he's not very popular. And just sort of seeing him come over and give it the fist pumps is a bit like, you know, go ahead. You walk off the ground feeling bossy, feeling pumped up by it. I'm cumin, no one can even think cumin like cumin himself, did he? No. You know, and all of the ice was never really going to, we were never going to take them that. Marko Silver was a little bit reserved with that rather than throwing himself into it. I think he probably wanted to, but he couldn't for whatever reason. Mattness, we had a bit of that with Mattness, don't get me wrong, but it's soured at this. So the last one he's really kind of done, that was Moise, and that was because he was there for long enough anyway. Duncan did it for a bit, didn't he? Duncan absolutely would do it. He's never been given the opportunity. It was interesting to see how he can play 4-4, Duncan 4-4, do it a weekend. On the fist pumping and all that, I think all the people you mention there, I think when you get them in and when you get these quiet reserved characters in, I think we also talk ourselves into thinking that this could be a good thing for us. Maybe someone who's a bit more standoff is you can be a bit calmer, but I think Goverston Park and Everton, we need that really, don't we? I think someone who engages, someone who gets the fans going, that is us, and that is what we're about. I think if Everton are going to be successful and get the crowd going, get the team going, it feels like we still need that character on the sidelines. Lampard's not going to be someone who's going to bounce up and down the line every time he's scored, so I'm thinking and jumping the crowd, like someone like Conte did when he was a Chelsea, but just someone who's got that unashamed passion. He's not trying to hide his happiness, and he'll come over to the fans at the end and give it loads, and when we get beat, he'll come over and clap as well. If he has that unity and that togetherness, it's vital for us at the moment. Absolutely, and be safe from the llama, don't be on the other side of the party. If Everton love it, he has united them, and that's what we need, I think. I think you're absolutely right, Lampard will do it. Going into this one, obviously, we'd had the euphoria of Brentford, and he was like, oh my God, we won a home game, and it was great. We scored in the first half, and then Newcastle was crashing down, so it hit the Newcastle, didn't it? So this one, even though, and I think the manager's way, it's Friday, we're really good. It's a big game, but it's not to be all of it at all. And that's great now, cos we've won. But at the time, I think, I don't know, but we do need to start being engaged quickly. Going into it, he went with the 4-4-2, we think that raised a few eyebrows, and Donnie van der Beek came in to the centre of the park. John Joe Kenny in the left back, obviously, Michele and Coastal out. So the manager's had to make changes, because, of course, we lost the Marnie Graeme, we lost Jerry Meener at Newcastle. But the one that I think I've seen a lot of people looking the other way, and Scrattyn Heth, was obviously Alex Owowe, who came in. But you know what? The lads who come in, I talk to a pair of them are brilliant. Yeah, they were fantastic. That wasn't how I thought we were going to line up initially. I thought it was common to play as part of a back three, and we'd have Kenny on the right and a Wherby on the left playing wing back. A Wherby played against a wing back against Leeds in this fixture last season, didn't he? Didn't have the best of games, I think it would be fair to say. I sort of thought that's what it was going to be. So it was a little bit of a surprise when they lined up. I think everyone sort of said in recent weeks, having the about playing free in midfield, and how we need it. I was speaking on some of our stuff in the week saying, I'm not sure if midfield's free of Ali van der Beek and Allan would be steady enough for us against Leeds. So I was a little bit concerned when those two were lining up in midfield. But on the lads you mentioned, I don't want to go all in on them and start the Alex a Wherby fan club or anything like that, because we've had this from before, particularly from a Wherby. We haven't been able to start the season. I don't know whether he's ever played this well or not. We will talk about it a bit, but I thought they were brilliant. One of the things that was key to this game was the fans before the game. Obviously we were all very worried on that. I didn't know where it was. I was going to have to go and live with Pep for three days after a wedding just to make sure he was all right. After Tuesday night rather, because everyone was really flat way and being worried and the fans were brilliant. I said a couple of things myself on social media about we're going to have to make the difference, because to me these players on their own can't do it. They haven't got the mental fortitude to be able to battle and everyone was jumping on with their own thing and the people who've done the atmosphere, done the banners and the rings and all that. I think that was key in it. Just being in the stadium before the game, the siren, and then the cheer, I thought it was incredible and it set the tempo for the day I thought. I got in there early at the weekend. Actually saw a ped in the concourse. We were sort of calmly talking to each other about how the game was going to go. It's going to be all right mate, but it just felt like a big game. I think because we've been just a middle of the road team down the years, the fan base has sort of become a little bit dormant. People just turn up, they watch the game and we're never really pushing for a trophy or really pushing for Champions League. We've never really been in relegation trouble until this season. When we've been down there, it's been a bit early in the season. We tend to get out of it haven't we? So I think that's sort of, it's sort of like giving the fan base a bit of like an allysphatic in a way. We've sort of just become a bit more settled and I think going into this one, I think the new Castle Game probably made a lot of people get the fear and think this is real now, and we are in peril, or we are on the brink of peril here and I think because of that, it's sort of mobilised obviously a lot of groups. I think there's a fly hand around wasn't there in the ground about getting banned and stuff like that. A lot of organisation on social media and I think that it gave people a reason to go in and get behind them. I couldn't see a lot of the flags because where I sit in the Gladys Street that big mass of yellow one came down right in front of me. Both all the pictures and that, it looked bossing. I think there's always that phrase of a trip which I hate to know you guys do about being cop IP or even stuff like that, but when I saw the pictures of the Gladys Street and the rest of the ground after the game, it looked very emitting. It looked like those pictures of Wembley with flags down there, down the years it's not orchestrated, it's not dead neat and tidy with everyone having the same sort of scarf and the same sort of message. It's all a bit scattered and a bit messy and a bit roaring. That's everything I think and I think that sums up. It's funny about that cop IPA phrases. In the 80s the Gladys Street was often like that in games. There was big game, cut ties, there was banners, there was flying. We used to take one ourselves made me make some school and put it on the front and people would have that flag. It wasn't like a flag waving but people would you'd be there and it wasn't all the time but it was shaking games and then I think what's happened is over the years I think is that we've played less and less big games. They played more and more big games and it's become an occasion and so every time you see something it's them in a big game with the cop full of all of that and it's become that cop IP we don't do that and yet we very much did do that in the 80s when I don't know whether we did it earlier than that because obviously I don't know but as a kid in the 80s we did. People had ads on you know scar, bobble ads. It was blooming whites. It was you know when you're engaged in them big games it became raucous and I think you're right we've almost been given we've almost kind of like flat lined in a way as a fan base of like this is crap we're the big crap and he can't blame anyone for that because you're getting let down so often at why you're going to be like that but I think you're right I think everyone got the air smell and salt shit them off the new castle and it was like hang on we need to engage and I think right from the first whistle we had an opportunity after 30 seconds and he gone and I think if he just did it first time he may score but he took a touch on the large the lad to come in and I could see him thinking that was a big chance right from the kickoff but that kind of I felt that set the tempo then because the crowd were up immediately again and never really stopped that 100% mate it's that chance comes from as pressing high on the right hand side doesn't it and Dom gets the ball plays it out to Gordon and you're right he probably should do a bit better it's a great tackle for me but I think Gordon deserves a lot of credit actually for the way in which he responded after that because a lot of young players if you miss a chance that big in a game with this magnitude when it's your team and when it's your team as well like it is for them it means so much to him and you know I think he set the tone in those 20 minutes and the first 20 minutes were mental weren't they it was an absolute whirlwind and I think he was the one who was getting on the front foot he was leading the press he won the ball back a few times there was that tackle in midfield wasn't there when he won it once and then I think he leaves midfield that comes across to try and get it and he's straight into him again and you know he carries on and I think that's where he is he's better than anyone doesn't he but I think he really set the tone after that at a point where he could have hid and been a bit you know I've missed a big chance here I don't necessarily want the ball I don't want to get stuck in and I think that's where his games obviously improved a lot recently because he's being productive now he's come away from that game at the weekend with an assist and a goal and he could have had an off one but I remember looking at him at times when he first broke through and maybe earlier this season and thinking you've got the ability to set it himself didn't he now he needs to do more off the ball and we have as much as it pains me we have to give we have to give Rafa Benitez some credit to because I think tactically he's worked on him and I think he's got loads of credit because he's gone and got a personal trainer and he's doing his own work away but I think Benitez tactically has helped him and hopefully now Frank Llympard but it sort of feels like now a small sample size obviously but these first two home games he's sort of off the leash with it now and he can go look at the goals we've scored against Brentford he wins the ball but he doesn't need for the corner which Hull gets scores from and obviously with Charleston for our second goal at the weekend but it feels like playing in a high intensity pressing style is going to suit Anthony Gordon even more and I think he really set the turn in those first few minutes but everyone was at it wasn't it you didn't you took Leeds by surprise the way and with the crowd definitely and I think I don't know if this was like a specific play from the manager but it felt like to me he said to them go and empty the tank in those first 20-25 minutes just run and kick and do as much as you can and put as much into it it'd be a bit like a 1500 meter race it'd be like someone going off on the first lap in front of the home fans and going to everyone the crowd will carry you through the next three are going to hurt but the support of the people behind you and the gap you've got is going to help you and it just sort of felt like that because we said before didn't we Gordon on 20 minutes on his launch wasn't he blowing and I think there are a few players like that but I think you're right, I think that big catch Leeds by surprise and I think that's clever management isn't it because he would have been aware if he had to get the atmosphere going he would have felt it in the build-up to the game and I think it was almost as if he said well go and ride that wave of emotion in those first 20 minutes and noticed in his press conference he said he could feel it in his dressing room that he were on it and it'd been mentioned that in the press conference people trying to get the atmosphere going and he was like well I knew deeply it was really good but we got the goal 10 minutes in it was actually a really good goal to be fair on the right hand side it was a lovely little interchange the first time ball by Anthony Gordon that on the corner is fantastic and it's been the BQ rolls in the cross and it's a brilliant tackle on Dom actually he's about to tap it in and I don't know whether it's strike or ailing brilliant tackle but James Coleman alive follows it in because if he doesn't go in there that goes out for the corner the opportunity is gone he follows it in he's got the header on the goal line and that's exactly what we needed it feels like he used to score that goal like two or three times a season I think his last goal for us was a diving head at the Gladys Street 10 against Burnley I think he scored a few diving heads this four I remember him scoring one against Spurs very early on in his career at the Gladys Street 10 and again that comes from being positive I think it's Kenny who beats Rafi puts across him at the outside of his foot and he goes just over Dom's head and then we're backing on them Coleman's involved in the build-up as well isn't he I think probably if Dom's got a couple more games under his belt he's probably in front of the defender there in scores but you see it there can't you and what it meant to him as a top level fullback now he's probably not quite there but it would be nice I think if he could sort of I think we could probably use him a way we use Jagiel because towards the end of his time at Everton whereas not necessarily the first choice player but with Jags if he's been out to the team for 10-15 matches you could always just say if we had a crisis or we needed him you could drop him back in there and he'd be sad he was a great sort of parachute player you could just put him in the team when he did really well and we did that with Baines in a way he's still got a role to play but this season he's just been lying to the ground at a time in his career it was just a great moment for him wasn't it I think I've said before it's never his attitude that it's his body that lets him down because he's been playing in the Premier League for so long and running up and down at nearly 34 and pitching an intense league it's just so difficult he's been fantastic and he always will be great everton pace and he loves the club you can see that there hopefully he'll be involved in Nathan Patterson's development and we can have a cross over where he is a sub but like you say for 6-7 games a season you might have to drop him and he can come in and he can give everything because he knows he's going to get his rest whereas right now we're having to play him because he needs most but it was a great moment and I think it was interesting that Lampard spoke about his defending after the game as well and we had a really good game there wasn't really much in terms of attacking a link up between the two I think Cole would have held his position and was like I'm going to be solid After the goal he did he treated him and became a major because John Joe Kenny was the one who was over it was attacking more wasn't he on the other side so that was a great start and what was really impressive was what we've seen it was a goal in the first half I think for the first time it changed Wofford back in October which is outrageously bad it is what it is positivity but what Everton had done in those kind of games was then going the treat and let the leads out they would have let leads out the ball and they didn't they went after them again and it knocked Leeds right out of their stride in fact I was looking at them and they didn't seem to be able to get out at all so we'd go on winning Leesia before we lose it, we go on getting back and it leads to the Charleson doing brilliantly great work to win a corner from nothing and they go on and push the cross in but much maligned Michael King with an absolute beast that I've had there for two nil I bet you looked at the lines man when Gordon's corner went I was thinking is there a push because we've headed a corner in I was thinking that's gone out of play and when I watched the highlights back and I looked and thought I'm close again you know but I think I think a lot of important things are happening between the two goals there's a brilliant tackle on Dan James Dan James in the box where he gets that wrong to penalty isn't it and then Rodriguez with the ball with that unbelievable effort and then he did it again a bit later that was mad that one the one it cos that just come out the air he just took his shot we did have that bit of luck of course we didn't have any luck at Newcastle I think as well we were saying about looking a bit tired after 20 minutes also I think Stuart Dallas gets injured and the play stops and I remember thinking just before that they're showing a little bit more we're starting to look a little bit tired the pressure wasn't quite as full on and I think that drinks break or the injury like a lot of the plays you sort of got over and Lampard was talking to them settling them down obviously you don't know what they said in that point but it just felt like a good moment for us to reset it I think you do need to get your breath back against Leeds cos the one thing you have to say about Leeds is they don't stop they're absolutely mad men and they don't stop running they run and run and run and run and they keep doing the same thing so you do have to kind of like the reset of that just give us that intensity to go again maybe Richard doesn't go quite as high up to win that but no it's just Michael Keynes has got more of them it's funny enough I said I was saying to the lad next to people at army it's about time Keynes won with easy and the corner comes in he bullets it in and everyone's laughing of all of his goals come at the park end I can't ever remember him scoring he scored quite a few for us it feels like that that was his 10th to think forever another one a lot of people jumped on his back in the week when that message came out from the club about he was talking about how they need confidence and stuff like that people got on his case he's another one he's had a pretty poor season one good game doesn't change that round but it's a start and again Lampard was speaking very glimly about him afterwards to be fair he was good against Brentford and Tony didn't he's weird Michael Keynes he's either an 8 out of 10 or a 1 out of 10 you don't get the 6 from him because he's the most I've said this a million times but he's the only player who you can see confidence drain from you can literally see him he's gone but when he's on it he's a solid defender he can give you that he bullies him he completely bullies him he doesn't leap off the ground in a way similar to me he just gets up there he doesn't even use his frame to get at him but the third set piece goaling and fourth if you include the new castle one day on Paul Clemens Frank Lampard did nine check for the set piece stuff it's a key aspect isn't it that we've just not got right enough times have we certainly under Bonitas we would travel in both boxes there were times where it was like you get a corner and we sit down you think nothing's going to come of it and I think the appointment out on one of the highlights I was watching that it looked like a routine on the training ground and Gordon's whipped that ball in but now it's I remember when we stood up at Mark what did he call it Parasite Goals I'm all over that Give me 16 more wins this season Parasite football I think it came in a really important time for us because I think then when you turn it up and you've got that cushion, it went again then we could have put the game there's no way that we'll lie we could have been five off at the break we had Gordon at the shop which Mellier made a good save we had a couple out of the fist across the box Charleston as one box, Dom as one saved Dom as the great it's a brilliant ball by a woby that little one round the corner and Dom we don't see that enough from Dom maybe it's because we don't give them them balls but he spins off the defender it's a back and Mellier makes another good save from it and at that moment everyone's up the chair you're going this is fantastic and then Gordon you go reminds everybody that if you're giving time and space which we did and the first one was a hit and hope the one that hit them the second one was quality just put it bent it and everything get a huge slice of luck and rightly so we've had enough on the side of the bar but it's one of them isn't it you just flip that around and we've done that and you go in two and a half hours you can't complain this has dropped the entire game it's probably better than the league if you make a checklist of all the things you want to see from a good football and performance quality on the ball, work rate, defence all those things and you say which team was better today everything was better in every single aspect in the Premier League it's hard to remember a time when the last time that happened even going back to the start of the season when we played to Southampton and Burnley at home and Norwich wasn't much in the games was there everything had better quality in both boxes you'd say but we never really controlled them but on Saturday I think the way it was the team press the way in which they used the ball they were just miles but they levered them really even though they hit the bar twice it wasn't from spells of pressure where you were hacking it away it was just like you said a good player getting it on his left foot and being unlucky on two occasions lead throughout the game never really got on top of everything at all he's credit towards you I mean it was a rare thing he got a stand on a race in the last time he's not seen many of that this season the real one was almost full usually people are going down I think people were just enjoying it the fans were brilliant people were enjoying it and obviously they made changes I thought he was injured and the manager said after him it was a tactical decision ok, fine, he made a couple of changes he brought Tyler Robertson as well at half time and then you just think you're looking at it and going right phase 15 let's not do anything silly because let's thank you and we didn't we were in you just said it then we were in total control we were just better than them in every area that 15 minutes passed with very little to worry about really and then we kind of went again was that part you think down to Donnie van der Beek and Alan in particular making sure they kept hold of what they were feeling but in particular van der Beek just because Neat and Tidy were just passing get it, knock it, get it, knock it and just kept us ticking over a little bit I think those two were more prominent in the first half Alan and Van der Beek I think it felt like they hadn't not seen any staff to anyone like more touches Van der Beek did in the first half I think he was 27 in the first half and something like 16 in the second half of passing on I think the first half the three players I say really got us going were Gordon, Alan and Van der Beek and I think that spell in the second half where you mentioned not much really happened I think the front two were really good at that point in the game and Richard, the Dom as he went on he looked a little bit rusty to start but he did grow into it but it just held it up well it just became the sort of match that Richard Wilson loves I think I think he's so good at this that when he can isolate himself against the centre back and he can figure them out throughout the course of the game and he did that with that Laurenti playing that left child was right in front of where I sit in the garter street and it just felt like throughout the course of the game he looked out to get the better of him time after time there were opportunities where he got him behind him where he dropped off where there was a bouncing ball and he was doing that thing where he runs in front of someone and spins behind just unsettling him all the time and I think he's great at that when he can get a defender one on one because he's got the physicality he's got the speed, he's got good technical ability and it just felt like from that point on probably going a bit more direct because you know the most mobile van de Beeg hasn't played 90 minutes in the Premier League since he came to this country so I think he was obviously going to fade a little bit and we just started knocking it a bit longer to those two and Dan was winning the others and that was fine wasn't it? That hybrid of the football which is like something we should get obsessed with one way or the other this like you've got to play out from the back and play through the third and we've got to that to me I don't think that's evident kind of like to reference like what Liverpool do they don't play like Manchester City they still play nice footy but they're also when it's on they can come half bang it long and but you can catch the opposition out like that and I think you're right I think that's what we did second half a bit more directed on and he was winning flicks and if he wasn't winning it he was making sure that he didn't get clean headers and you never give the opposition the chance to build up any kind of momentum because they're spending half the time staying at a ball off the touch rather than find their own place you know it was because we were on it it's the atmosphere as well and the atmosphere the boom when they were passing it around I haven't heard of the Tomings do that for ages whistling and booing it it sounds silly at times but it affects you when you're the opposition especially when you're behind it's like roaring when players are pressing it makes you jittery you could see them kicking it out I said about Gordon before about how it felt he was off the leash a little bit now we can go and press I think the person who I think that benefited the most was a Warby because it's I think when you've got like a manager like Benitez or Angelotti who are quite cautious you know want to keep the shape and all that and you've got Raukes Goverson that wants to see the players go full on you know I think sometimes you can sort of see the gears in the players' ads channel a little bit like when the ball comes they say the opposition is out to a centre back and he plays it out to the left back and you've got our winger and he's thinking do we go or do we stay because the fans want me to go and the manager probably wants me to stay and keep the shape and I think sometimes with a Warby you can almost see him stop and he thinks what should I do when is it the weekend it was like as soon as the defender got the ball and it was out to their left bang straight across and everyone went with him and I think that's partly due to but it's partly due to the fact that the manager's saying you've got to get on the front foot and if you get on the front foot your legs are going to be hurting it's going to be tough at times but this crowd they got behind you and I think that affected Leeds a lot throughout the game We love as fans a team that does that as a kid saying that 80's mid-80's team that's what he did didn't call it pressing and it was like hunting back it was pressing but that's what he did and by doing it you've forced him mistakes I think for me that's what we did brilliantly and Lampard's kind of tapped into that he said in intensity pressing the front I think whatever when we try to do it in the past where we've done it wrong is you go and press and I don't and so people play around you and then you're out of position then I try to get in they play around me and they're away whereas what we were doing on Saturday was they were all going and therefore Leeds was struggling to try to play through and ended up sometimes shanking it out for a throw in to the keeper and it's starting again and we never really allowed we never dropped off doing that and if we did we made sure we were in our shape and let them knock it down on the back before we engaged and that's why whatever they do whatever they do with us the managers they need someone who's going to play like that like Godderson because that's how you harness a positive Godderson that's how you get the best out of us fans it's probably the same for every set of fans in the country everyone wants to see the team on the front foot and of course there are little nuances the difference between team and team but to get the best out of that stadium you've got to try and be on the front foot and you've got to try and be positive at home and if you do that then Godderson can be a force for good Do you think under Ancioloti and under Benitir because they are more pragmatic and they're more cautious as well that it's a reason why our home form it's a hard one for Ancioloti because there are no crowd so but we even when you're at home the owners are on you even if Godderson is like that behind you like it was for a year or whether it's full I always felt with the home because away from home you're with under Ancioloti 11 away games with the most we've won and we allowed the opposition to have the ball and we played in the counter into the game Benites did that so every home game we've sat in our seats and the opposition had the ball and you just be going you're letting these settle into this game you're letting them calm everything down and play the way they want to and if they're a better organised team than us they'll beat us and I noticed that with West Amaro this season even though the game was tight it was decided by a corner but we did that for the first 10 minutes West Amaro had the ball and I was like they should be coming here kicking it out for throw-ins and being nervous and we're not To play that way you've got to get results haven't you and what was happening ever when we were playing results football without the results if you're going to play in a way which is not engaging for supporters you've got to engage them by winning football matches and picking up points and we weren't doing that so listen there's probably going to be times between now and the end of the season where everything press-lighted against Leeds and it doesn't work a better time but it might play through us but that's got to be the blueprint it might not be that mad all the time because I was at the first 20 minutes where absolutely insane but if you can do that you can knock teams off the slide can't you massively look at them across the park that's what they do every game isn't it teams come to our field and they just they're on them straight away and they're head spinning and they've got the quality to capitalise but you've got to make teams feel uncomfortable across the park you can't let teams come to Everton and just settle into the game because we saw them the atmosphere was always going to be good going into this game at the weekend but the reason why it was so good was because of how the players went they harnessed the energy of the fans and the fans fed off them we've always got to have a manager who wants to be on the front foot of Gooderson and we've got how many years have we got left at this place now two, three years let's make the most of it to make the most of it and to harness the power of people going to Gooderson and thinking this is one of the last times I'll walk through these doors I've got to make the most of it be positive and get on the front foot that's how it's got to be it can't be standing off and letting teams up the ball just knock it round we've got to be on the front foot and that doesn't necessarily mean dominating the ball because I think Leeds have more possession I've surprised that, they did they have 58% I was really surprised it's the intensity isn't it it's all about getting to the ball, about shooting down and Everton played some great stuff when they got it but we had 61% at Newcastle we got to say a goal we got to say a goal and if there was one little thing I'm a little bit disappointed about it's the fact it wasn't a goal made up for Anthony Goldman but it wasn't as if he knew what he was it's just it but I think his performance and I think the fact he needs goals it's the only little thing that's taken off for Anthony Goldman but it was a good goal he rolls his foot over it and it's good ball by Allant initially carrying it forward and he cuts in and it's a shot and it nicks off Anthony Goldman's goals I don't know about you but when the referee was offside there I sit right behind so I was right in line with it so as soon as you had the shot me and my dad knew that it was Goldman's goal because you could see a flick off but it was mad because the flexion doesn't really change course of the ball it just sort of hits him but carries on it's almost like an edging cricket like a tiny little feather through it was like that it didn't really change course but maybe Richard Austin just was the only tender he scored after the game he had the hat trick he got free today it was a great assist that's where he's got a look but that just gave us what we needed the roof came off and it was like party time there isn't it these don't look like they've got anything in it to come back and you started seeing obviously he was able then to put De Leon I thought he actually did quite well when he came on he looked a lot sharper it was for a lot less time of course but he just went up front didn't he and won a few headers his hold up play was quite good he got involved Rondom was able to come on and do the thing that he was brought to the club to do initially which was last ten minutes to give the strikers a breather and he knocked himself up out he looked rapid he sprinted over to their left back to shut it down when he came and I'm listening to tomorrow but when he came he hadn't played for months and he was brought initially to be a sub for Don with 15 minutes to go and we had to play him 90 minutes and he was careful he wasn't sharp or anything but maybe now because he can put the 90 minutes into 10 minutes 15 minutes then he can be a little bit of a nuisance and his folly was brilliant it was great but I was right behind it because I was sitting up above and he could see the pass by there he was unbelievable it was unbelievable and the folly was brilliant and the save by Melier was incredible and that would have literally been the full cherry bopped on the top of the plate on the top of the cake because it was a great move unbelievable save I'm watching it back on match of the day I don't think it does justice to Rondom it's the speed of it and he does well Ali you think you're right I think his first couple of touches were a bit loose worthy but he grew into it what are your thoughts on him? because I've seen a lot of people some evertonians are made up and it's not really evertonians to be honest it's other people talking about them but I just look and think we don't have to pay anything until next season because we've already paid 40 million for them exactly we've paid 40 million we've won the Tour de France and the Wales we've won at the Crucible and everything doing a lap round goodness in his yellow jersey that's what it is but I just think he's 25 he's a good footballer if everton can get him close to what he was at space they're going to have a hell of a player on the run we couldn't have got him possibly two years ago no chance he was ever coming to everton football so if we can get him going again he's going to be an important player for everton I think it's a really good deal if everton had gone out and spent 30 million on it straight off the bat I would have been a bit like well we've not really learned that would have been a big gamble because he's going to be on a decent salary as well he just he feels like someone that footy has just chewed up and spat out a little bit in recent years do you remember when he first came through and the deli alley wave was a thing and he was like this innocent fresh faced player and he was like this innocent fresh faced player and he used to wind opposition fans up just by being seemingly a dead nice kid fresh faced who just seems to be enjoying himself so much on the football half of his celebrations are important he used to pick up celebrations he used to play with this sort of innocence and enjoying and it seems to piss a lot of people off I don't really understand why but it just feels like down the year I think Marino's killed him a little bit it's not all the player has to take some responsibility I think Pochettino was obviously sort of like his guy the night wasn't he for him but he just looks like someone he needed to change doesn't he I was surprised actually when it was the first time I'd seen him in The Flesh on Saturday but I feel like he's bulked up quite a lot and I don't really know if that's a Marino thing because remember Ross Barkley did the same when he came through and he had that sort of same on the ball and he was quite quick he could move and then he got a bit too obsessed with being physical and he got too massive he doesn't look overweight he looks like he's put on a bit I think Nuna wanted to play as a centre mid in the start of the season and Marino obviously likes his plays to be physical anyway but it just feels like he needs to sort of try and get back to just being that lad who just enjoys 40 who weighs the camera sometimes to the box and Lampard might be the perfect man maybe you'll be able to tap into the fact that when he was growing up and enjoying his football Lampard was the fellow he was watching on the telly and thinking well I wouldn't mind being like him and it'd just be nice if he got that enjoyment back obviously he's already got a song as well which has touched someone to get the words to himself at the weekend but people are going to back him because I think it's obvious if it does work out for him because like you said it's still 25 and he's got some belts that have got us in there's a thing for us that if he's talking about being able to put the ball in the net past us we also got to see El Ghazi for the last whatever it was and he's a big lad he's that big and that'll do him good making his debut and that was another thing I think Saturday as well I thought was bringing that kind of players off the bat I know El Ghazi's on loan so it's not that play but being able to bring Delyon being able to bring El Ghazi on you know it's like gives you that even with the players we've got out that's why you're looking you think if we can just repeat these performances in terms of intensity we'll be alright this season because we do have the quality I seem to be offered on the Thursday I think I didn't see him I wasn't walking down the street coming into and she needs said that it'll go in any kind of trouble because the front two they've got and he said it's better than anyone in the bottom half and it'll get them enough points and then he mentioned about the quality and the rest of the squad and now I know a lot of people might question that I think it's more mental with everything than actual technical ability I think if you go through the certainly haven't got about 16-17 plays that'll probably be enough to be pushing for maybe a conference place but in the forward positions there's a lot of variety there isn't there I think we're obviously a bit light in defence in midfield and defence at the moment but you know look at you know Demari Grey wasn't even in the squad at the weekend and you know it's we haven't got like we haven't got to get probably a world class operated in there by any means but we've got there's enough there for you know for him to build not only a good start on 11 that he can rely on and go to if you want to change things up a little bit as well if you want to go to Southampton at the weekend and say well actually 7-7 is a good player in this position they might need to cover maybe a play tiles in there you can run back a little bit there's options there so we shouldn't be in the position within it's insane Not with the talent that's there but if you haven't got the mental attitude which they haven't had this season you have to say that and you've got a manager that doesn't really want to attack anyway you know you can't a fight with one on behind your back aren't you It's good in that sense in the first two home games we've had in particular that we've got instant reward for moments of hard work so you know the moment of good against Brentford and Richard at the weekend you know those two things have shown that if you put the graft in you're going to get the result look what happens when you do it You're sat down and it's the players meeting and go look because you did that we've done that and they'll see it then and go actually the manager's like if someone's telling you if we do this run it'll work and you're not saying it you'll be like that and they all look like at the moment it's very early they all look like they're buying it don't they so yeah a brilliant win we've touched on them before but let's have a look first of all let's have a look at John Joe Kenny's stats on the weekend because playing left back a lot of people would have been scratching their head like a shell can sell it and so where he is he has 55 touches of the ball 85% accuracy two key passes, two tackles and he won about 60% of his jewels and they're obviously just some basic numbers but I think overall I think John Joe Kenny had an excellent game and just stuck to his job really stuck to the task didn't he yeah I think it's playing against Raphine being a right footer on the left because he always looks to cut in there are a couple of times when he's scamping away from them but I think there's one very early on but other than that he seems to control them really well he's also tackle as well and he likes to engage doesn't he there's that video of him that's been doing their ads and him celebrating Coleman's goal after it goes in you can see how much it means to him someone who's come through a captain of new teams it's one stuff at a new level that we all thought was going to be a mainstay of the team for a long time and it's not quite worked out for him but he came in and did a really good job really good job you just wonder maybe in a similar way to the Ben Godfrey looks better at the left back than right back by being a right footer on the left you just got to strip it down to the basics and just win the ball give it back simple there was a moment of real quality you don't see Cruyffs in the corner which was brilliant that cross with the outside of his foot and I think after one of his Cruyff turns he gets past Rhaffinia and he's got another lead to play coming towards him he just pops it through the two of them he's obviously got a big decision to make originally now in regards to we've got to make a decision if they're going to give them a new contract and he's got to make a decision if he wants to be effectively a player that's going to come in when we're short on either side I don't know what I'll do personally but based on based on the weekend you can have an opportunity and depending on what happens with Mika Lenko you might not necessarily settle in straight away obviously he's out at the moment you might get a little run now and who knows what's going to happen but just made up for him and you can just see how much it means to him he's one of those players that's got a big tackle to stuff isn't he he's always great in my book but now he's he did a great job and it was nice to see a nice little link up between him and Gordon on the left hand side Deffo was too late obviously to come through the academy another player there we've mentioned before but there's someone who's coming in really took his chance at the weekend there's Alex Roboby who we spoke about obviously in the game but done a lot of stuff off the ball which is sometimes it's unsangible and he did that he didn't go round three men in the square if it had a tap in or whatever but he was in shape and working hard and pressing and making them, making mistakes let's have a look at his numbers 62 touches passing accuracy 85% key passes 5 tackles 3 and he won 6 out of 13 joules so just half of his joules which is incredible Leeds United put three tackles in against Aston Villa as a team in midweek in the three of the only three tackles which shows you about depression the quality of depression as he don't have the tackle but Alex Roboby, one of them he let the kid know he was dead but it's that way I've never seen him do that in my life and flying in every one day I think that was just after the guy that used to suck his name he's got a bit carried away he's run like a loon didn't he but in general he worked his socks off of the team and was instrumental really because if you see him doing it you're going to I'm going to start a woe bag and I'll like better do it then and there was that thing that wasn't a shame was coming at the end when I grabbed the bat pointed to him with the bat just kind of say that's what because he had the street end singing his name and I thought that was brilliant by the street end as well he's much maligned Alex Roboby and no one will forget his video on a plane in the summer they start in the other but when the more games he plays like that the less that other stuff matters people just go if he does it on that pitch he can do whatever he wants I think he had a similar game when Duncan took charge against Chelsea he worked his balls I think afterwards Duncan explicitly came out and said I want to mention Alex Roboby he was brilliant today he does feel like that sort of lad who needs that reassurance on the shoulders I remember I went to Huddersfield earlier in the season and he scored that night in me and played pretty well I remember when they all came over at the end Benitez sort of went up to Coleman and said make sure Roboby gets to the front and gets it around him applause and Coleman grabbed him and put him at the front of the players and people cheered him so I think he's someone who needs that and I think the players are aware that he's someone who needs that level of reassurance as well has he been good enough for us absolutely not at all but you do watch him at the weekend and you watch him sometimes and you see that number of five key passes and you see that pass he plays through to Dom for his chances he has got something he has got some kind of ability he can carry the ball you can play a pass I think it's passing in those areas probably the best part of his game really I do hate that he passes it with his heel it kind of hits the ball and he likes to tank it but he has got really good things I don't know about you as well but it felt like because the game was so intense and frantic it felt like he quickened his play up a little bit he always seems to me it seems like he gets anxious if he doesn't touch the ball every half a second anyway he's got it it's always touch touch touch and sometimes he just needs to calm down a little bit and get his head up and just focus now we just when you're talking there about him getting his name sung when I was at the glass street there was a fella he had a traffic cone by the statue when he was singing Alex-A-Wobee-A-Wobee through it it was just a real day I absolutely forgot about that happening but listen that's got to be a benchmark for him though hasn't it we've said it so many times about this lad he's had good games he's had good cameos off the bench Alex-A-Wobee-A-Wobee-A-Wobee now is this the moment he goes on and kicks on for Everton and it's not been but it's a start again he's got himself another start he's got fans on site saying he's played really well he's got to kick on from it now if he gets a chance of self-hath at the weekend he's got to play as well if not better couldn't agree more it's up to him to go on do we one person I thought was exceptional making his first start for Everton only his fifth Premier League start and he comes I asked Manchester United was Donnie van der Beek I thought it was sensational in possession particularly like you said before in the first half he really set the tempo and set the reason and there was a great sweet on Twitter on Saturday night and I almost beat a first until I read the rest of it which it was brilliant I had a little thing with the lad he'd done it and he was like the worst player I've ever seen Manchester United if we're going to buy him it can be for no more than £2 million do you want to have a deliari deal free transfer but he was absolutely brilliant let's have a look at van der Beek's numbers 53 touches 88% pass on accuracy one key pass four tackles and he won £716 he'd had 93% pass on accuracy a new castle in midweek but obviously a lot of that was just helping it on and getting it where Saturday I thought he really showed an element of control brave as well what braver than I thought I've not seen that much of him obviously because United don't play him when you've seen him for Ajax he looked really good I remember he scored against Spays at Tottenham's ground you've always got the Davey classroom rule with the little star by it and Davey classrooms are good football he's doing well again but it's that can they do it in a different team because Ajax are very unique the way they play and people fit into that that don't necessarily go on and do it but I thought van der Beek and there is the caveat don't get attached too much to lone players I've broke that one already okay you're going to need to pull me back I think I've broken it as well and B is that it's early days for them but I just thought on Saturday there was that element of control he was quick in the tackle he was pressing brilliantly after time it is just getting on you don't even have to win the tackle because you're pressing intelligently they end up just giving the ball away and he seemed to be at the centre of a lot of things we did really well on Saturday he just reeks of Ajax doesn't he everything about him we just thought you can see you can see the years and years and years everything he did was just what you'd expect from an Ajax player composure, cerebral good technically hard worker it was all there watching him it reminded me a lot of and I know they're completely different players but it reminded me a lot of seeing Gareth Barry play for us for the first time a player who is in about good years because before he came to us Gareth Barry for me was the ultimate you've got to see him in the flesh to realise how good he is and I think van der Beek obviously played a bit deeper than he usually would at the weekend and it's quite hard to say much more about him other than he's just really good a footy he's just a really good football everything he does is just he's never going to beat someone who's going to pass someone with pace and you step over and bang one in from 30 yards but just get it, get it, give it and there's one moment in the first half which I've not seen back but I remember it stuck in my head in the ground I think it's probably quite close to where uses actually were he had the ball sort of in front of their fans and two of the leads players came over and I'm just sort of so used to having to midfielders trying to knock it off the defender and get a throw in or sort of like that or panic and lose it so that moves the ball with his foot and plays it back into midfield and went away that's just a really good basic basic bit of play and he was just so impressive everything he did was just really precise and the fact that he was playing probably in a 4-4-2 for the first time in his life maybe as a senior player whether he played in that system at Ajax played pepper forward for them hasn't really got a kick for United Neverlands play a 4-3-3 the fact he's not played that was the first time he played 90 minutes in the Premier League started five games for United in the Premier League it wasn't as if he was playing for United and not playing well he just wasn't playing to get dropped into that situation and play as well as he did probably an unfamiliar role was really good it felt like those sort of like a natural chemistry between him and Alan in regards to just two good players being on the same pitch together because there were times in that first half in particular that he likes to do and Vanda Beig just sat just covered off the midfield so they're encouraging debut interesting to see what happens when the core is back interesting to see how Ali gets into the team with them as well but I think and based on what the reports have said and stuff that Lampard's a massive fan of him and I think while those others might rotate fitness for me and I imagine you'll be in the team between now and the end of the season pretty much every game on that, when we were linked with him what were you thinking? I was unsure I was thinking I don't know whether he's the right fit for what we need but I think it's difficult when he's not played isn't it? Yeah there was no bar really wasn't there? No we've not been given a chance and you know Ajax were Ajax playing a very specific way don't they and it felt like he wasn't he was sort of the player that they had a lot of skillful players a lot of runners, a lot of fast plays and he was the one that sort of just was like a vertical engine in the final third so I I was a massive fan of him when he was there but it's just sometimes players just come to this country and it doesn't work for them but he's yeah dead impressive dead impressive but just a cerebral player just slows everything down and I think he's going to be a little bit like Garth Barney where it's the intangibles and seeing him on the pit I mean the game in that first 20 minutes was so frantic and he seems to slow the game down when he got on the board and have options all the time and to do that when you're playing in an unfamiliar position first start of the new club you know hardly any 40 over the last 18 months dead impressive I think flank the ball said he's a 6 said he's that good he can play and I'm not convinced he is but he's obviously seen a lot of him being a player he's that intelligent he can play there If he plays in a 3 when the core is back then I think you'll see more of the side of his game than the other I am the goal he used to always see the score for them was touch on the edge of the box into space and then he's finished maybe you'll see more of that hopefully to see that in the field let's have a look at the overall stats of the game from the weekend Evan 21 shot to go 10 on target which is impressive incredibly impressive Leeds had 7 attempts non on target 4 big chances Leeds non 42% possess into 58 Leeds obviously completing more passes than Evan 467 to 344 The XG for the game was Evan 3.06 I think Leeds was 0.26 I think it's something like that I'm actually underperforming that XG The one disappointing thing for me coming away from it was it could have been 6 but that's a nice thing to have and I hope I'm saying that for the remainder of the season and we've won no, we could have and couldn't but it was just a brilliant performance Leeds fans were good they kept on singing all they Leeds kept on trying to play the way they play which shows they believe in the managers what he's trying to do there but for Evan from start to finish was a fantastic day Levedon really from first minute to last never really felt any jeopardy really at all just a great day wasn't it it's been ages since the new songs going off on the Glacier Street I couldn't believe it it just felt like it hasn't to say this it's been such a tough season but it did feel like a corner was turned fingers crossed He's had three Premier League teams in his first three games so at least he knows where they are we've scored seven goals in two home games and won the games by three goals which you can't Exactly, you can't ask for more than that so absolutely brilliant day That's it big thanks to Matt for the Blue Room, check out the Blue Room with Matt make sure you give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't we're going to carry on on Patreon in a minute if you want to become a patron the link is in the description thanks for watching