 I made it, I think. I don't know how good this is going to be simply because, well, this is hotel wifi. I am at Codemash 2024. So I'm gonna keep this relatively short because I have an event to go to the dinner. I went to some talks in the morning. I got my fancy badge at Kalahari. And if you haven't heard of Codemash, it's pretty cool, especially if you're into development. The hard to believe part for myself is the fact that I have only now learned about Codemash. Now I'm not a developer, so this is adjacent to a lot of what I do, but still fun. I love learning. I love going into some of these, seeing where programming is going, stuff like that. So I'm actually enjoying this. I do have, at least my son is on the floor. He came with me, but you'll have to excuse the lesser quality of this. Just so people that are curious, I'll throw a link in here, because obviously it's too late this year because the event is something I'm actively at right now. But if you're interested, it is codemash.org. It's just a neat thing. Check it all out. I'm not gonna, it's a big organization. It's a lot of people here. It's focused on development, but there's also 3D praying. There's kid's mash as well. So it's actually an interesting event because you can bring the family too, even if that family is a young family and it's at a resort that makes it kind of neat. So this is definitely kind of a novel event. And I've got, I was surprised because being that this is more adjacent to what I do as opposed to what I do, I'm gonna move. Whoops, I went the wrong way. There we go. So I'm trying to get it so the camera doesn't have a glare from that light. That's gonna be moving this way more. Here we go. A little bit less glare. This is the tricky part of trying to do things when all I have is my laptop here. Nonetheless, I am at Codemash and I'm working on a couple other things and I figured, well, I wanna be consistent and keep doing my live stream here. And I'm gonna keep a little bit short, but there's a thing I've been working on for a little while that a lot of people ask about is how did you get here? How did you get started in tech? The question persists. I generally prefer to keep creating educational content as opposed to what I refer to as self-indulgent content which would be me talking about me. But I am curious how people got to where they are so I understand the question. So I'm working on that. Working on that actually started with this. First, I wanted to get it on my website because there's gonna be the too long didn't watch version. And that is this right here. It's just called My Story. And let me swap to that real quick. And you'll find this on my website. If you go to LearnSystems.com, there's a spot at the top that says My Story. And that's where you can go through and, well, read what I've wrote about how I got to where I'm at in terms of a general overview. This is pretty short. Then at the bottom, I'm gonna have a video embedded that explains this more. You know, the same questions I get. Now, what's not in here, but I will be adding more videos is I already have some videos talking about some of the early days of starting my company. And I know people are interested in that stuff. So I will be putting that in addition in there. My question to all of you and leave this in a comment. You can do it right now in the live stream or, you know, later after the stream, leave the comments. What are some of the key points that you would be really interested in that may have been in points that you go, you know, how did you get from this part to here? So go through the My Story thing. Let me know what else should be added in terms of in the video, it's a longer version. This is just a way for me to put it out there to answer the question. And maybe it will help some people along the way of their journey. I mean, you can't just copy and paste my career path. You can't really copy and paste anyone's career path. But maybe along the way there's some tips or wisdom or something maybe that you find interesting that can be talked about that can be covered in there. So that's why I'm doing it to answer all those questions for those that ask. And A, why not? It's a good fork in the road for me of I've gotten this far because I've had my company for 20 years, then we merged with, well, the only the IT side merged, which is why I call it a split merge, which there's an explanation of that already embedded on my website. So like I said, I'm just curious what people think and what we can, you know, what else I can put on there that might be helpful. But let me know, because that's not something I've done before is really just put the life of Tom of how we got from where he was to, you know, where he is today and some of those winding paths in between. It's not necessarily a blueprint. I got nothing to sell you either. This is not me trying to sell you on, you know, do what I did and you'll have the same career and you'll find the same how I measure success. And I see how I measure success because I will not tell you in any way that I am a trying to sell you on a path to wealth, not that wealthy. That's never been really my goal. I know some people that's usually buy my book and get rich type things, but I don't have a book to sell and I don't have a story of how to get rich. How is the, you know, I guess I don't know how bad the audio is. Someone let me know. I'm assuming the, this is my little MacBook Air. I think the audio is decent on it. If someone wants to let me know, that'd be curious. What was the moment you realized your business could be bigger than you thought, i.e. first employee, fifth employee, office spaces? That's a good question there. Bigger than I thought it could be. I didn't have a clear vision or a plan. I just kind of went forward with it. So even the reason I started my company wasn't because I'm an entrepreneur who decided as much to do it myself. Matter of fact, it may have been a wiser, you know, looking back, it may have been wiser for me to take a job in terms of if my goal was to make more money. But I just seized the moment of, I was working for a company that got broken apart and those are some of the details in there. And then I'm like, I guess I'm gonna service them. And because they can't pay me as an employee, but they can pay me as a contractor, provided I had a business name. So I incorporated a company, had a couple of clients and then from there, without a ton of vision, just kind of slowly expanded on it as needed. It wasn't like I set goals very good. I was never good at that. And I'm still to this day, not good at like setting like, I plan to hit X dollars with X employees by this date. Those are not, like I see people and nothing wrong with it. It's just not the approach I take. They put together like their dream boards and they put together on this day, I plan to make this much or by this day. Those have always been really, really difficult things for me because I just don't, it's not that I'm not looking towards a future. I'm just not thinking of it in that context. It's like, hey, I'm gonna do this. Well, what if you get another land or contract? Well, I guess we'll have to hire more people. When we got into some of the big wiring bids and stuff like that, I'm like, okay, what are you gonna do about it? Well, someone said an opportunity, I made sure I had the resources to pursue this opportunity. So I assembled the resources and now we're doing that opportunity. I've always just measured it like that. As the opportunities come in, I've been able to figure out the resources around it to make sure we could fulfill that in a very, what I would consider a good manner. So it is a really tricky thing for sure. I know some people are much more planners and I'm much more serendipitous than I am a planner. I think it's because it's my goal all the time is to have fun and enjoy what I'm doing. And I've had the privilege of alignment because not everybody has this of having talents that people were actually willing to pay me for. This is one of those things is there's good business advice and there's a lot of bad business advice floating around out there. One of the best business devices is follow your talent. I know a lot of people say things like follow your passion. Your talent and your passion may not be aligned. For me, they are because I seem to be decent enough at tech and my passion is for tech, so that's great. But if you can find your talent and I look at business in a very simple way of take the skills that are easy for you and maybe harder for someone else that are also in demand and then build for them. Like that's business. It's not really, it's not overthought that much by me. I was like, okay, I know I can do these things. They seem more challenging for other people. They're easy for me. I put processes around those things and then I charge for them. That's just business in a nutshell. It's really, it's been, it's a really simple plan that somehow got me here. I mean, there's a lot more details that I've had to learn along the way. Part of it too, when I started my company was not knowing how hard it would be. I was naive and like, I don't know. I bet I could do this because I wasn't afraid of the unknowns because I didn't know how many unknowns there were. Hey, Tom, just finished next generation of my home router and old Sophos box running open sense under Proxmox. Plenty, 505 in front of Fiber and can run some extra unified home. Unified extras like unified home and control assistant. Cool, awesome. Glad you got the upgrade going. That makes you feel better. I don't care about making tons of money. I just enjoy doing nerdy things. I know I have to wear a business cap through make process, can you in the future? Yeah, you've got to kind of put the business cap on from time to time. Oh, you know, this isn't an event that you would probably be fascinated by and I advise you to look this up so because this is gonna be a year in advance for you Veronica. I am at CodeMash 2024, so I'm doing this from a hotel room as the name may imply. This is a developers conference but when you look at the developers conference and what they get going on, I'm willing to bet a Cobalt Hawk might be interesting here. It's very developer centric developer focus conference but it's also a family conference because they actually, it's at a resort and they encourage you to bring family so there's a lot of people here and a lot of them brought their families and they have a whole section called KidsMash which is pretty cool too. So this may be an event you're interested in and maybe interested in speaking in. Feel free to reach out to me or I'm friends with because CNWR, the other company is a sponsor of CodeMash and Jason Slagle who is the president of CNWR has been a participant and speaker here since like at least eight or nine years. So I know, I already knew some of the community people here I can introduce you to them. It's a very interesting conference and it may be something you're interested in especially with your developer background. So, oh cool, yeah, check it out. And like I said, reach out it's something you'll find interesting. Oh yes, and we have a couple of Brett's here working the sales table. You know, that's the picture. Oh, I forgot to upload that picture so I didn't have it. So we have, I took a picture we do have a little booth here where we were just to talk to people just being representative because we sponsored things here. Our biggest reason for sponsoring it isn't like we think this is gonna bring us a lot of leads. The reason we sponsor CodeMash is CNWR is focused on the fact that we like sponsoring this event because it's a very community driven event. So, hello from the frozen north of Alberta, Canada. Wow, it is cold there 22 below. It is not that cold here. I am in Sandusky, Ohio right now which is I normally my studio is in Detroit or roughly Detroit. I see Detroit because it's the closest big city. You can actually find the address of where my office is and that is public information on our website. But yeah, Tom, do you know how to configure Unify NBR Discovery over WireGuard working cyber-free sound accessing external since you do you broadcast I don't know. There's not really any way I know to do that. So, local Unify NBR Discovery over WireGuard. No, I don't know how to make that work at all. I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying I don't know how to do it. It's not something I've ever pursued or tested. Local Discovery, VPNs, yeah, that's not. It's not something really that lends itself over to VPN. What are we gonna look at next? What else did I put in a title? Put CodeMash in there. My story, so people feel free to let comments fly on my story so I can get that done. And the other things in the title were not just tech talk and live Q&A. I have till about six today because that's when the next thing I'm gonna go down two starts. There used to be a DCP option you could set to spoon feed Unify devices to their controller address. Yeah, you can look that up. What that does is just you can put a DCP option to set the inform URL to be a very specific URL. So when the devices get IP addresses they can also get the inform URL. So that's pretty cool feature. The breach that Unify cloud has freaks me out. Yeah, I did a video on how a Unify cloud security works. Yes, I believe you can still do that. I believe this still works because I think they reach out the devices. Now I don't know how this works with the NVR but I know how the devices themselves work out. I don't know how good the notifications work over WireGuard or TailsGal. I just don't know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know how that works with the NVR and specifically the Unify Protect. I feel like the notifications for the app. If the app is logged in on your phone and you have a persistent VPN on your phone I feel like those notifications should come across the app but I can't tell you that for certain because I don't use the Unify app. Greetings from Russia. I found the broadcast because I subscribed interesting IT topic. Thank you. I don't know how to, thank you. You're coming from a long ways away. Have you seen problems with private pre-share keys with VLANs, Unify 6 access point? Problems with private pre-share keys. Not that I know of. I'm not aware of any issues. With Google and the forums. No one's complained to me. I don't know how many of the use 6 access points we have out there. I'd have to look. Till I can figure UDB broadcasts of PF Sense phones or unable to discover NVR even locally. I mean, but does the phone need to? Doesn't the phone let you specify where to log in? I've not used the app. So maybe they've changed. I thought you could specify the server from the phone app. I only use the cloud key too. So the controller NVR at the same device figured you might also be given them the tail scale address. Greetings from Montengro. Montee, I'm bad with words. Greetings from originally from Russia. So the Unify does not let you specify any Apple. That sucks. Remember when I tested it like a long time ago? I think it let you do that, but I guess it doesn't anymore. So Tom, if you like beer, I recommend stopping by Twin. Oh, it's on your way back to Detroit. Okay. There's a possibility of that. You've kept your Unify controllers local only, but the question, Veronica, are you using the Unify NVR cameras? Does that, that's a separate app. Does that one allow you to do it locally? The apps do, you can select what console you connect to. As long as you can select a local console, I think it should work fine. You shouldn't have to have any broadcast traffic across your VPN to get that to work. It should work in the app by specifying what server specifically. There's probably an advanced option. Maybe I'll have to look at that. The question of purpose, the question is the Unify NVR app on your phone. Does the Unify NVR app on your phone allow you to specify the server? Ah, protect iOS app needs to discover councils. Okay. Greetings, Sam. I was not able to set Unify WireGuard VPN clients to the same network as clients locally on Wi-Fi. That's normal. No, the WireGuard sets its own network and then you allow routing between the different networks. You don't actually put people on the same network. This is routing. I should do a video just on how routing works for VPNs, because VPNs use intermediary networks and that sometimes becomes very confusing to people. That's probably a good topic. I am evaluating if I need a 10 gig router, if I have a 10 gig switch. No, you don't need one. Any recommendations on the best way to evaluate this, coming from someone who struggles with layer two versus layer three routing? Here's the thing. If things are on the same segment of the network, for example, I do not have a 10 gig router, but I do have my storage server that I have all my videos on, for example, and my computer are both connected at 10 gig. They do not pass through the router, so they are able to talk to each other at 10 gig, but the router, they can only talk to the router at, well, one gig, but then my internet connection is slower than one gig, so that's fine. They can't leave through the router at faster than 10 gig. They're limited to one gig, but the important part isn't that they leave through the router is that they talk to each other, so my computer and the storage device are both connected at 10 gig and they can communicate at that speed. It should allow you. It makes no sense why it shouldn't. Yeah, I'd have to even look at it on iOS to see if it's even, if that's an issue. I say the RGB stuff is because Unify knows their audience. They know that people in the home lab world like RGB, there's my answer for it. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's novel. I don't see it as revolutionizing the IT. We kind of made a joke internally about it, just saying, well, let's go through our tickets here. We have about 120 businesses that we're managing IT for. We manage a lot of their networks as well. How many times would it have been helpful for us to light up a port a different color in the last year? Pretty small amount. Is it novel? Yes. Is it necessary? Not really. If we tell people to plug something in a certain port, we tell them, plug it in this port. Is it cool that I can light the port up? Yeah, but it's a showing thing. It's not a, oh my gosh, this is the problem we are having today is that there's just too many ports that people can't read numbers on anymore. Now the target audience might be me because without my glasses, ports are blurry. I could not have my glasses, someone could light up the port and that'd be cool because then I could, without my glasses, make sure I'm plugging in a report. And I'm fine if you buy things because they're cool. That's a good reason to buy things. I got a lot of RGB lights because I think they're cool. Not because they do anything functional for me other than look cool. And UI design and looking cool is good. You can't undermine and not say that art doesn't make it better. Having something more artistic around you, having something that's more interesting, I think those are better things for you. Have you made a networking one-on-one video time? Something that covers basics like this, difference between switching and routing? I haven't because there's so many videos on the internet with that. There's so many basic one-on-one videos. Maybe I should compile a list of good ones to watch because there's only so much time and covering the one-on-one stuff while I agree it's important. There's only so much time and I have to figure out where I wanna spend my time. Do I wanna spend my time doing a lot of the one-on-one stuff, which I'm rehashing, what is a lot of videos? But maybe it is worth it if I went and reviewed a few videos and go, hey, look, these are good one-on-one videos and maybe reference those for people. I don't know. I gotta figure out just how much time I wanna spend because it takes a lot of time to make a one-on-one video. It almost probably would take me more time and then figuring out what level of one-on-one I wanna be at versus diving into an advanced topic. There's fewer people doing it. That's one of the reasons I love putting out the more advanced videos so I can get some of the more advanced information out there. But yeah, it's a fair thing to say, like, oh, how can you catch someone up? How do you, like, here's the prerequisites you should watch at least these videos prior to this video or at least have an understanding. You don't have to watch videos just, hey, have you done level one fundamentals of this? See, this is where people get confused, but yeah, same network segment as in same subnet. Subnets are different than VLANs. VLANs are a way to take a physical single port, for example, and subdivide it. So you're taking the physical layer and putting virtual, virtual LANs, virtual partitions on it, being able to reuse that wire for more than one network. So when I say network, they should be on the same subnet, same network. That doesn't necessarily mean they're on, I mean, they would be on the same VLAN at that point as well too, it's if you're crossing over those. I do have several videos on VLANs that do explain that. I have a video that explains layer three routing. In the Unify Protect app on Android, click need help manual setup, and I can specify the name. So check to see if that's in your iOS version. So it's in the Unify Protect app on Android, you click the need help, then choose manual setup. Awesome, thank you very much for posting that. 120 businesses, that's a lot. Yeah, we have a big team. CNWR has about 30 employees plus some contractors. Okay, so the iOS app does not seem to have this. So you see any iOS protect app, proceed without UI account option at the bottom, which brings you to a list of discovered councils. Huh, yeah, that's interesting. I don't have any iOS devices. Well, weirdly I have my MacBook Air that I'm using right now, but that's the only Apple stuff I have. So I don't have any other way to validate or test that. Interesting though. I use all the, you know, I like the Unify stuff, but I've always used the Synology cameras because I like the flexibility of it. I just, they just work really well. Plus I have the Synology integrated with my Home Assistant. One of the talks I went to today was on Home Assistant. That one I'm excited about because there's a couple things in there I didn't know about that tie into Home Assistant. Well, I didn't know what to look for. The biggest value, and I'm gonna do a video on Home Assistant, I wanna do some of the getting started part of it. The more important thing to me, and this is my best takeaway, is how other people are using it. That's what really fascinates me is first, how are they using it? What problem did they solve? And how they solve it with Home Assistant? That can be very educational. The second part is what device did you buy that worked with it? Because that can be a challenge sometimes. You want a device that is easier rather than like, for example, Jay from LearnLinksCV. He's got these devices, but the problem with those devices is he had to re-change the firmware on them. And it was a tedious event to swap out the firmware on each of these devices. So it's wonderful when people tell me what device works with it. And that's what I've been building a whole list of is not only devices I'm using, well, I'm gonna be using more of them, but other devices people have bought that integrate really well with it, like out of the box integration. That saves you a lot of time. It's not like, hey, cool, I can flash firmware on this device. Do you want to? They plug, if the price difference is $25 for one that works, or I can buy an $18 one. All right, I saved $7 because it's been an hour because one of the firmware changes actually requires you to touch some pins and connect it to some serial thing. I'm like, it takes me an hour and a half to flash these things, I gotta take it apart. Yeah, working out of the box, that's always the goal. I have a really silly problem that I wanna automate with a little servo. And this person has a servo that works out of the box. It's a neat servo system. I don't remember the name of it, it'll be in my notes soon. I just took pictures of the links he sent. I'm an email, or if I see the person here at Codemash. But it's just a little box and it's got a little button that just jumps out. It's made to press other buttons. And I have a use case for that to get my camera working properly when I turn it on. My camera, when you turn it on, the, thanks Sony for screwing this up. Sony updated the firmware. And if you have a non-standard battery, which I have a dummy battery in my Sony, it makes you click okay to acknowledge that you have a dummy battery in there. So I wanna get a little button that presses the okay when I turn my camera on. It's completely silly, but worth it. I need to do an updated one because I'm reviewing right now the 4200. So I have that one. We'll pull that up real quick because someone will probably wanna see this. That's kind of a rolling video, if you will, because the model will change from year to year with that video. And nice thing is Nekate does a nice job of making it easy to select things on their site. I took apart the Nekate 4200. This is one of their new models. This one's solid. I think the 2100 is probably fine for most home users, but that depends on how fast you need. And if you look at how fast each of these work, that's listed on the Nekate site. Yeah, HE is good for turning on and off fans in server rooms automatically. Yep, T-Kring and HomoSystem and this new Fingold Threads protocol requires IPv6 port enabled, and your subnet gonna be fun to figure that out. I wish HomoSystem had good voice integration with Siri. I don't want to use Amazon or Google or any other companies that depend on advertising running. I have heard they integrate with Siri, but I don't know. I don't use third party, I don't have voice integration, nor do I have an interest in voice integration on mine. Well, I take that back. I've played with, but I can't, well no, I can't say, I'm interested this far. I have chat GPT and voice integration because I wanted to see how it worked, and it worked. And then I said, okay, and I turned it back off. So my interest was, did it work? But yeah, that the switch bot that sounds like what the person was talking about. Let me look. Nope, well, I don't see this as any other products. Oh yeah, yeah, here, that is it. Yep, this is cool. This is what they were talking about is this little switch bot. So yes, switch bot bot. I dream of creating a home server with a social network file like Vitebers. It's difficult for me to figure out how to create free access, for example, through Cloudflare. Are you talking about trying to host your own Mastodon instance? I'm not an expert on that. I don't host my own Mastodon. I'm on Mastodon, but I don't host Mastodon. I just let someone else deal with that. Very cool. Home Assistant, Apple integration suck. Okay. Once again, I'm not in the Apple ecosystem with the exception of this one device that I'm using right now. And yeah. So I can't really speak to their integrations. You said you have Synology. I have it with two cameras. It's so slow. CPU's still overload. DS213 is the hardware too bad to use. Possibly. I don't think the, I don't, I don't have the model numbers off the top of my head, but I know the two series are the most basic ones. My guess is the 213 is probably not the best ideal system for using it for cameras. They have a plunger that will work better, really. That's what I was gonna look at what the things are. So I'm really cool. So there's the remote. Curtains. That's cool they got a curtain one. That's kind of neat. Hub, switch bot bot. Switch bot curtain, home security, hydrometer, color bulb, meter, accessories, switch bot tag. This is some neat stuff. What is it? NFC tag, I'm assuming. Yeah, NFC. That's neat. They got some neat stuff. I'll look around at this. I seem to be probably seeing all of the new MacBook. I don't love the MacBooks. I hate that I like this MacBook Air so much. This is the first gen MacBook Air. The problem is I can't tell you, I couldn't direct you at all. And I've searched to a PC, or even one that ran Linux equivalent to this MacBook Air. This thing has like 12 hours of battery life. And this is the M1, this is the original Air. It's like, I don't know. I think it's like $600 for this model. It does everything I needed to do. It's really just a terminal to get to things. That's how I feel about it. It's not where I run. I wish it ran Linux. I know there's a project to work on it. But the speed at which this thing operates, the fact that it's really light, the fact that the battery life is like 12 hours on this thing, if not longer, depending on what you're doing with it. And it just, it's passively cooled. It's got all the features that you would want out of a slim portable laptop. And it's even got really nice keys in a giant jackpad. I can't, I've seen, and we have some nice, like Lenovo's and things like that, but their battery life doesn't hold up. The keys are not quite as, it's just, yeah. It's hard to find something that's equivalent in any of the higher end companies out there, even with the $1,000 laptops, they're hard to get as good as this. And this thing weighs, like I can pick it up, it weighs like nothing. It's wild that it's so light, slim, and then the battery lasts forever. Well, compared to what other things are out there. And while not compromising speed, you may want to be able to host an internal proxy for the Fediverse notifications locally, but by hosting it for others, you can get directly out doing that, so firewall fun. Yeah, there's, I've thought about getting into it. I'd go back and forth. I really like owning my data, but I also spend time managing forums and everything else. And at some point, I just have to decide how much time I want to spend on each of these projects. But yeah, Veronica's got some good points here, though, set up an internal proxy for it. I mean, the Cloudflare should work. Do they think about using Cloudflare tunnels, which is essentially just a reverse proxy? They just have a fancy name for it. It's their reverse proxy. It's using their servers, which does mean it kind of obscures where you are, which can be nice. You're letting Cloudflare deal with the front end of that. That'll be cool, Tom. Watch, put these assistants in my Pi 4B. Could use a good video assistant for devices having issues. Okay, yeah, I'm working on that video for it. And I'm more inspired after going to a talk on Home Assistant. Can you create a more detailed video on free access to a home server? I mean, the options are VPN or Cloudflare tunnels. I don't really know who else competes directly with Cloudflare tunnels. No one competes for the price. I know some paid services that have features that are similar to Cloudflare tunnels, but you may as well use Cloudflare tunnels. That's probably the best one out there besides running your own VPN. You should have a separate Synology for your camera system, anyways. Yes, I agree with that completely. I do. I have my Synology where I run my apps that I use for Synology, which I'm gonna do a follow-up video on that because it's kind of, I wanna break down some of the Synology ecosystem stuff. And then I have a dedicated box, which is that I'm specifically using the DVA model, the TubeA DVA one. That is my Synology dedicated for my cameras. And I do have that on a separate network and I allow its access via the public internet. That way it has a fast connection. And because I'm allowing it via the public internet, I understand the risk associated with it. And if someone were to breach or there was a security flaw found in my Synology, you would find yourself looking at my cameras, but that's as far as it goes. There's not another pivot from that Synology to somewhere else in my network. That's the important part. I totally get it. Barring my rate to repair issues is actually very good. Yeah. Oh, you know the social conflict I have by using this Apple at all. I'm eager to get a used M1 MacBook for the, how do you say it? Ashi, Asi, Linux Project. I want to load that on here once it gets ready. I'm excited for that too, Veronica. Because that means I will be able to load that on here and I can use Linux and I still have all my battery life and other features. The Switchbot curtain works well. I'm going to look at more of these Switchbot boxes. They look pretty cool. Hi, Tom. I've seen your announcement on a video about NetBird when you release full video. Would you be willing to show if you can set up a reverse proxy? I don't know why you'd want to set up a reverse proxy for it. It has its own reverse proxy. So I don't, I'm not going to bother taking their proxy out and putting another one in. It comes with a reverse proxy. Yeah, Cloud, Cloudflare is the easiest one out there. And if you trust Cloudflare, see you have to, and I've talked about this, whoever's terminating your SSL certs, you have to trust them. In this case, it's Cloudflare. So as long as you trust Cloudflare, it's a good system. Just found a forum to talk about turning a NAS, NVR into a NAS drive. Interesting. What are your thoughts on HP querying Juniper? Dumpster fire? I'll probably share some memes on it. I don't think there's, there's nothing good will come from it. That's my feelings. Nothing good. It's, it's about it. That's, there's, I have no more to comments on that. It's not a good thing. There's no way it helps consumers for these companies to consolidate, reduce competition. Yeah. It's not, I don't, because now you, you've now got a company because you have the Aruba Wi-Fi stuff and then you have a thing called Juniper Mist. So you have the Juniper Wi-Fi, which that, yeah, you got your bought two products to compete with each other. One company owns a big segment of the market. That's never good for the consumers. It's never good for the buyers. Yeah. HP is where things go to die. Cisco is where things go to get monetized before they die. Cisco's good at coming up with ways to monetize it more. But I'm going to end this here on this wonderful note of Hewlett Packard talk because I got nothing else to say about that other than the Hewlett Packard memes are good. We're going to go to dinner because there's a dinner. There's a party. There's a Smash Brothers event. There's a board game room. There's a jam session. Go look at the code match stuff. You'll see all the stuff that I'll be doing if you need some FOMO. But hopefully it encourages you to come next year. Maybe I'll take some pictures and post it. So I, I get really mixed feelings. Like I don't use LTO tapes. And my reason why is I like to keep my data spinning. My fear would be if I put things in LTO and I ever needed them that those LTOs would be hard to read or not readable. But with all my data being online, I feel like I can audit and validate it faster than I can validate tapes. So I would love for you to come next year. So come hang out. If you fly, here's, here's the thing. If you fly into Detroit, you can ride with me because the flight, there's no flight here to Sandusky. But if you fly into Detroit, it's like 11 minutes from my house, you come over my house and then we can ride together to code match. So yes, we'll plan on coming next year. So I'm gonna stop this here for the next one. And Brett Chittum says, knock on my door. I just got a message from him. Brett, I'm leaving. So if you're still watching this stream, all right. Thanks everyone and I'll see you next time.