 Good evening. I'd like to call to order the 7th meeting of the 2016 2017 common counsel With a clerk, please read the quote for the day. Thank you, mayor We cannot accomplish all that we need to do without working together Thank you, please with a clerk, please call the roll. There are 14 present Alderman Damro is excused Alderman Herman is not excused Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America Into the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from our last council meeting Alderman Donahue Thank you, mayor. I move approval second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? See none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye Opposed motion passes Item 4.1 is resignation city attorney. There's one resignation Don Silvis from mayors international committee Alderman Donahue Thank you, mayor. I move to accept the resignation Second thank you for that motion and second all those in favor of receiving the accepting the resignation Please signify by saying aye Opposed motion passes Next item is mayor's appointments city attorney This appointment from the mayor submitting the following appointments for your consideration for the mayor's neighborhood leadership cabinet for the Indiana Carter neighborhood association Dean Decker as the primary Peter Shalema as the alternate For a term to expire on April 30 2017 Those appointments will lie over till our next meeting Next is a public forum city clerk. Yes, we have one this evening Mike brunette is Mike here Mike. Can you give me your home address, please? 1925 so 26th Street. Okay, and you will have five minutes. All right. I'm here to Basically say I'm very excited about what's going on behind the scenes with the armory and that and although Going into it. I didn't see a construction project as necessary still don't and whatever It's very cool, and I'm glad that finally we have all this money for that And I think we actually have a really good choice and whatever you're doing seems to be Pretty good, and it's like but my bigger issue right now is our ever-growing propaganda TV network Which you would know as WSES TV 8 and it's like which I am which is very proud went at their committee meeting when they're asking for for new equipment on the budget of Going up and covering events in Green Bay, which I don't really understand while our city is on the road in Green Bay and Pulling itself off as a somewhat news and commercials Station which is kind of not the role of the city Especially when you're divesting of the whole department since such but on the same note on TV since you are building such a juggernaut with the Infrastructure and very expensive cameras and stuff, and it is public access My big question in general, and I looked into this before is how does somebody actually get a slot on Public access TV and if somebody could help me out with that Because being that it is public access I would think that the public should be able to access that and I've looked in it before and kind of hit a few closed doors on it and I'm not and basically Throwing it out here because I don't know who to talk to and that's really all I have on that Subject other than you know, I mean once again you're approving It's quite a bit of money and the way they have it written up and everything that they want all this Advertising revenue and this and that and it just blows my mind. I mean because we actually have News sources in town. I mean like them or not, but it's what it is and when the city is doing its own news It's pretty much the definition of propaganda, which is literally the same word as public relations by the same person and if somebody could help me out my email address is I s h e v e g a s at gmail Dot com and I just like some information on it. That's all I have Thank You Mike That's it for this evening. Thank you. Next we'll go on to Mayor's announcements I just want to say that we had a great 4th of July celebration. I Think that we owe our sponsors a big. Thank you. That's Johnsonville sausage for sponsoring the Big Bang celebration Festival foods for font sponsoring the fireworks, Wisconsin Bank and trust for sponsoring the parade Sees for taking over the cardboard boat regatta The Venetian night parade that was organized by the Shabuigan Yacht Club coolest cardiology's freedom run and the Shabuigan theater Company for their performance in Fulton Park and team elevate for the king of the Beach volleyball tournament everybody Working together with the city and our tourism bureau who manages this for us pulled off an amazing event So thank you to everyone and especially to those sponsors Next move on to the consent agenda Alderman Donahue thank you, mayor I would move to accept and file all reports of officers accept and adopt all resolutions and pass all I'm sorry all the reports of committee and pass all resolutions and Thank you for that motion and support and that'll include items 2.2 through 2.17 Alderman Jose Mr.. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to take 2.16 out in the dress separately Is there any objection? Seeing none then we'll deal with 2.16 first 2.16 is an RC by the Public Protection and Safety Committee who is referred general ordinance number seven of 16 17 by Alderman Jose creating section 70 dash 117 of the Nisbo code as to make an offense against Public morals and decency for someone to taunt tease or encourage another individual to commit suicide and recommends That the document be placed on file under discussion Alderman Jose did you want to continue? Please go ahead I had some discussions a few weeks ago with the city attorney and At that time he told me his opinion was that it could be Improperly applied The ordinance it passed as written that is an officer could improperly use the ordinance and there could be cases Where are those cases would be thrown out as unconstitutionally overreaching? However, I would argue that this the disorderly conduct ordinance, which has been on the books for many decades can also be Unconstitutionally applied if I was a black activist and I got up with a bullhorn And I started saying sheboygan police pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon Arguably a police officer could arrest me for disorderly conduct, but that would be wrong because you'd be violating my constitutional rights So the existing disorderly conduct ordinance we keep it on the books Despite the fact that it could be applied unconstitutionally And I don't that my understanding is that the argument Against the passage of this ordinance is the possibility that it could be applied Unconstitutionally and I don't think that's I think it's a good tool to give police to officers And as long as the exercise that tool correctly, it's another asset that they that they can employ just like the disorderly conduct ordinance Thank you for those comments Alderman Boren Thank You mayor Attorney Adams I saw within the last couple days that I think it was a was that Wisconsin Supreme Court or Some court made a decision having to do with this This Report of committee that all of them Jose has brought in are you familiar with that? Have you seen anything? Yes So there is a Minnesota Supreme Court decision that Declared a similar ordinance or actually it was a state statute in Minnesota's case To be unconstitutional As applied in that particular case the issue of course though is is that the as-apply dealt with the real purpose of the ordinance As it does here and so that's that's really the concern is that As applied it would be unconstitutional and in the other areas where it may not be unconstitutional. We already have statutes and ordinances that that would It could be used by the police to cover this. Thank you. Is there any other discussion on the motion Who's seconded the motion to pass this So Chuck we don't have a motion on the floor. You have a motion. You don't have a second You can you call for you can call again for a second and if it doesn't come that would die Is there a second to this motion? Okay. We have a second any further discussion Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll for passage A vote for the motion this is a motion to pass correct No, this is an motion well the motion that's here is to accept and adopt to file this Okay, so if you vote for this you're filing it if you vote against it Then we'd have to put another motion on the floor as a positive motion and and vote on that at a separate Thank you. Thank you. Any questions Alderman Thiel If you say aye you're voting to file it if you're voting nay then another motion would we have to put on the floor to pass it Okay, the clerk, please call the roll Jose Lissard Lewandowski Rob Snyder I feel Trester I won't I 13 eyes one no Motion passes Then we have before us the remaining items items 2.2 through 2.17 Minus 2.16 before us is there any discussion on any of those documents? See none will the clerk please call the roll for the consent agenda 13 eyes one no motion passes Under reports of officers items 3.1 through 3.4 will be referred to various committees Under resolutions item 4.1 is a resolution by Alderman Donahue authorizing Executing the memorandum of understanding between the town of Wilson the city of Sheboygan and the Sheboygan water utility regarding Installation of a water main Alderman Donahue Do we have a motion to suspend is there any Problem Alderman Bellinger. Thank you. I don't have an issue with the suspension But I guess I would just like to know why we're suspending this what is there something of urgency regarding this that we're Suspending it. Thank you Alderman Donahue Thank you. I think either Attorney Adams could answer that and I believe mr. Trueblood is in the audience and he could explain the nature of the construction Mr. Trueblood would you like to step up to the podium? Did you want to open up the city attorney? Well, I can start while Joe is on his way up the reason for the quick action is because the work simply needs to begin It's being timed with the county's work in South Business Drive It was delayed because the town of Wilson objected to the utility's request to lay the the main and we had to go in front of the Public Service Commission and Eventually it was settled but only in time to get it in front of you today and need to suspend the rules. Okay. Thank you That cover it then. Yes. Okay Thank you very much Very good, then I would pass the resolution second. Okay. We thanks for the motion and support. We have the resolution before us Is there any discussion on the motion? Alderman Boren Thank you. I read over the document earlier today And I know it's a water main and the water is being extended out there for Fire protection and I forgot what the other one was This this in no way The town of Wilson has no ownership in this as far as possible Connections to properties in the in the town of Wilson. This is strictly for city properties. That's what I got out of this Is that is that true? Okay, thank you merely needed to go through town Property because of the way the borders are down there. Thank you Did you have a question I'm not sure to what you're referring about they haven't I think you may be thinking about a different project that this is This is just simply a small section that's going through The town of Wilson on South Business Drive where the where the county is doing some resurfacing And so it's so that they don't have to tear up the road a second time Does that answer your question Alderman Lissard? Mr. Trueblood, can you help us out with any further explanation? Thank You mr. Mayor and council members The project is entirely in right of way, so it actually be in South Business Drive There are lands South of Riverdale that have been in the city for a number of years, but have never had water main in front of them yet So when we became aware that the county was going to reconstruct Highway, okay, or South Business Drive We Thought this would be the time to get that water main in ahead of that reconstruction Thank you very much. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none with a clerk, please call the roll for passage 13 eyes one no motion passes items 4.2 and 4.3 will lie over and Items 4.4 through 4.7 will be referred to various committees Under reports of committees item 5.1 is an RC by lawn licensing to whom was Referred pursuant to our own number of 27 of 16 17 by the city clerk various license applications and recommends that the beverage Operator's license 1 2 3 8 be denied based upon her failure to accurate review all relevant convictions on the license application her record of Violations related to the license activity and her record as a repeat law offender Alderman Lassard Tiffany Tiffany was invited to come to our committee on two separate occasions So the committee Recommended that we deny her license and all Alderman Lassard, could you please make the motion on this? I'd like to make a motion that all the report of committees be accepted and adopted So thank you for that motion and support. Is there any more discussion on the motion? Seeing none with the clerk, please call the roll 13 eyes one no Motion passes item 5.2 is an RC by lawn licensing to whom was reserved Referred pursuant to our own number 27 of 16 17 by the city clerk various license application and recommends that beverage operators license 1 2 2 7 Be denied based upon his failure to accurate reveal a relevant convictions on his license his record of violations Related to the license activity his record as a repeat law offender and his failure to cooperate with the committee Alderman Lassard. Thank you. It's Justin Hill here Justin was invited to our committee on two separate occasions and did not appear at either one and the committee voted to deny his license unanimously Well, send you to motion on this one. I make a motion that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 13 eyes one no Motion passes Item 5.3 is an RC by lawn licensing to whom was referred our own number 27 of 1617 by the city clerk Submitting various license applications recommends a taxi cab driver's license number 08 5 4 be denied based upon his record of Violations related to the license activity his record as a repeat law offender and his failure to cooperate with the committee Alderman Lassard Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I move that the recorder committee be accepted and adopted Thank you for that motion and support under discussion. Please proceed is Robert Robert was invited to our committee on two different occasions Didn't appear at either one the committee voted to deny his license Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 13 eyes one no motion passes Item 5.4 is an RC by lawn licensing to whom was reserved pursuant our own number 46 of 16 17 by the city clerk various license application recommends a taxi cab driver's license application 5 2 2 4 be denied based upon his failure to accurate reveal a relevant convictions on his license application His record of violations related to the license activity and his record as a repeat law offender Alderman Lassard Thank you for that motion and support under discussion. Yes, I believe Michael here before our committee and brought with Who answered all the questions of the committee for Michael and it was our consensus as a committee That Michael just isn't Prepared at this time in his life to take on a taxi cab license There's concern for his ability to speak for himself and his actions on his own So our committee denied this application Thank You Michael. Would you like to address the council? City clerk's was already aware of all my violations from the beginning. They had copies of my driver's license everything So they were aware of everything Okay, did you did you want to address the council and any other issues? Can you pull the mic over so we can I wish the council reconsider All right, Michael. Thank you very much. Thank you sir. Have a seat. Is there any other discussion on the motion? Alderman born Thank You mayor Alderman Lassard, could you kind of give us a synopsis of the The violations that the committee was concerned with and did you get any recommendation from the police department? I'm going to have to refer to our city attorney for the items that weren't listed. We had lengthy discussion My memory doesn't serve me as to what the exact recommendation of the police department was but in speaking with Michael it was very difficult for him to be able to answer any of the questions that we asked him This wonderful young man did most of the talking for him Michael has had a taxi cab license in the past and some of the infractions that he has were while he was driving a taxi and We just didn't have a comfort zone as to his ability to be able to perform this task in a manner that would keep our constituents safe Thank you for those comments city attorney As to the violations there was a range of violations ranging from traffic-type violations like Violation and registration violations. There was a couple of moving violations and then some more serious violations. He had a conviction for Basically putting someone in danger recklessly putting somebody in danger He had some issues related to his property including Violation of the rules related to when the when the police did a chronic nuisance violation and he did not Respond appropriately to those Did not obey the chronic nuisance order that he himself participated in putting together the police department Sergeant McKay was present and Did indicate that the police department would have significant concerns about Mr. Gomer given their Contact with him. It is true that mr. Gomer had had a license in the past But this is a new license at this point. He lost his license at a previous time And so today we are dealing with it as a new application and not as a renewal The reason that's important is because if it were renewal, he would have some level of property right in the license He does not because it's new and typically what the advice is is it's at the new application stage that you deal with these issues and tell people maybe you need to wait a few years And make sure that there's been there's been some time passed where you can show your ability to follow the laws Before the committee will Grant that was kind of the thinking that was expressed by the committee members at the meeting Thank you very much for those comments. Is there any other discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 13 eyes one note The motion is passed and the license is denied Item 5.5 is an RC by law and licensing to who is referred resolution number 41 of 1617 by alderman limandowski to rescind the general ordinance number one of 1516 reducing the number of shabuigan alderman from the current 16 down to 10 for the 2018-2019 Council year and instead hold a binding referendum to allow the citizens of shabuigan To vote on this and recommends that the document be placed on file alderman lasard I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Thank you for that motion. Is there a second? We have a second under discussion alderman limandowski Yes, I would like to make a substitute to motion and have this referred to City attorney you've got a motion to file and now you've got a motion to refer I haven't heard a second yet on the motion to refer So you can You can proceed on the motion to refer my recollection is that a motion to refer takes precedence Is there any discussion is there any discussion on a motion to refer? Are you waiting for me? Is there any discussion on a motion to refer? No pressure. Oh, oh that oh, you're asking me. Yes There can be discussion on a motion to refer. Yes. Okay. Is there any discussion on this motion all them? All the men was a Yeah, I'm in support of Alderman live and Dalsky's proposal to Resin the ordinance reducing the comic council from 16 to 10 You're gonna find out in a week or so mr. Mayor that I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna have to resign from any committee That meets before 6 p.m. Because of a job I've taken when I was elected This position it wasn't explained that this was only for the elite that that could choose their hours their work hours I thought this was that the alderman's position was a position for people that if you if you work the job you could still be an alderman but My position I'm in now I work until almost five o'clock. There's no way I can get certain places before six o'clock By reducing the common council from 16 to only 10 alderman You are already problems with having enough alderman to serve on the existing committees it exacerbates the problem of people being able to meet the different committee times and It it's gonna exacerbate the number of phone calls and issues that the individual alderman have to deal with Thank you for those comments Alderman Donahue Thank You mayor. I would just ask Attorney Adams to explain to us the issues that he sees with respect to the Proposed ordinance as it's drafted. Yes, I would assume those concerns would transfer to committee of the whole correct, so the Proposed ordinance as it's drafted is is faulty couple of problems first of all it purports to Repeal an ordinance, but it is a charter ordinance and it would require a charter ordinance to repeal our current ordinance second the body of The ordinance itself And really it's it's a resolution Does not It starts out with where as is Which indicate, you know why it might be that the all the person would want to do what he wants to do But then there is no substantive Section to the resolution explaining what it is that's actually going to happen. It's a series of where as is and Not much more so as it currently exists the resolution or ordinance or whatever you call it Would not do anything regardless of whether you passed it or not tonight Or referred it to committee and the committee discussed it Thank you for that explanation out of any other discussion Okay, again the motion is to refer to the committee of the whole all those in favor, please signify by saying aye Opposed I Think the nays have it So then we're again voting on the main motion which is to accept and and adopt the committee report Is there any discussion on that motion? Okay, seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll for passage ten eyes four nos Motion passes Item 5.6 is an RC by strategic fiscal planning to whom is referred resolution number 45 of 1617 direct referral by Alderperson Donahue authorizing the issuance of the city of Sheboygan's 2016 strategic plan community survey and recommends that the resolution be passed Alderman Donahue I would move to accept adopt and put the resolution upon his passage second. Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Alderman Boren Thank You mayor. I had a chance to read the survey and I thought for the most part. It was pretty well done Could Alderman Donahue could you tell us how this Survey is going to be Issued and by what means social media or US mail or how it's going to be distributed. Thank you Thank you. There is actually a fairly extensive plan to To put the survey out into the community, but I think mr. Hoffman might address that process and why he thinks this is an important issue City administrator regarding the distribution of the survey The man in which Citizens of the city of Sheboygan learn and ultimately hopefully participate is a similar Informational campaign that Department of Planning and Development uses we will be relying upon our own You know our own website our Facebook our Twitter posters have already been Printed to be placed on our transit vehicles We've contacted different Non-profits as well as school district to place information on their electronic message board signs of the city of course has a couple electronic message board signs We're going to be working with Electric the water and wastewater utility They have access as well and a separate website for their Customers unfortunately the water bill and sewer bill went out Recently and as a result we won't be able to use that as as an option the intent is to keep the period open until the end of the month And depending on the level of response possibly hold it open for another week but strategy is to Hit hard as far as sort of a campaign getting people aware of the survey We've also touched base with our senior activity center director as well as a library director that computers will be located and Promoted that residents that may not have access to the internet can go to those two locations and fill out the survey This is a a online an internet-based survey website The goal is that Tabulation will be minimal if not non-existent Again, there was there's really no funds associated with this project and so to dedicate staff to Take paper copies and and input each of those We really have limited options or opportunities for that. So we're pushing Four residents to utilize and not the online method This will be a critical document for you as we eventually schedule a retreat to look at our existing Strategic plan and we working with a facilitator to assist a management team will be invited We have not identified any potential dates. We will be in contact with you For some time in August Again, this will be additional information that we hope will be helpful for you as we look at our existing strategic plan and consider an update Thank you for that information. Does that answer your question Alderman boring? Yes, but I just like to follow up for the people That don't have access to a computer or a half computer skills Are there going to be people available at the senior center or at the library to walk the people through this and What about what about shut-ins that people that cannot get out that do not have access to a computer or skills? For those that are shut-ins that don't have access to either senior citizen act senior activity center or the library We will We will deliver those They should contact who should they who should the citizens contact your office or who should they contact to make those arrangements? My office, please. Okay Okay Alderman Trester I Opened the survey, but they Would let me fill it out So I don't know whether it's certain programs or certain computers or But mine would not let me do anything with it. I was able to read it, but that's all Are you referring to the survey that was included in the packet? I Never got a survey in a packet. Okay, because I'm not aware that the survey is live at this point And I'm not aware that residents can actually start utilizing it. How come some of the members of Don't know the survey I think the important thing is that you were able to read it and understand You know the questions in it I think that's all it was intended to do and when it goes live Then you'll be able to go on the same site that all the residents are being directed to and then take the survey Thank you. Any other discussion? Okay, then the motions before us so the clerk, please call the roll 13 eyes 1 no Motion passes item 5.7 is an RC by law and licensing to whom was referred general ordinance number 9 of 1617 by Alderperson Donahue repealing and recreating section 2- 221 of the municipal code relating to normal working hours and recommends passing the ordinance Alderman Donahue Thank You mayor. I would move to accept adopt and put the Resolution I'm sorry the ordinance upon its passage second. Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Alderman Lissard Yes We did approve this Adopted but since the time that this has happened till today I've gotten some phone calls and some concerns and my recommendation would have been if allowed To send it back to committee as well as salary and grievances for further discussion Okay, is there is that a motion second? Is there a second second? Okay, the motion before us is to refer it back to the the two committees for further discussion Is there any discussion any discussion on that motion? Alderman Boren Well, the only question I had was why it went to law and licensing in the first place This seemed to me at least from my experience on serving on salary and grievance is an employee issue Specific employee issue dealing with work conditions hours, etc. I just felt that probably should have went to salary and grievance in the first place Thanks for that point Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor. I guess I would just like Alderman person Lissard to give us an update of what the additional concerns are I'm not sure why it needs to be re-referred back to a committee when it when it came out So I just would like to know what those concerns are and if they were constituent phone calls emails or whatever they were Thank You Alderman Lissard. Yes. Thank you There had been some phone calls from some employees that Wanted to remain anonymous in the situation and they're concerned because they feel that The chief administrator is going to change lunch hours to half-hour and allow people to go home a half-hour early and Just we I think we need to have more specificity as to what hours are going to be changed and for what reason And that's why we're asking it to go back to committee for further discussion Thank You Thank You very much Alderman boring It just didn't follow up to what Alderman Lissard said. I also had a call from a City employee today who was who was concerned about this? for the reasons that Alderman Lissard mentioned about changing lunch hours and closing City Hall early and about All departments being covered during during lunch breaks and that type of thing. So that's why I would support I would support sending it If we have kind of a one committee rule and we had a choice I'd rather have it go to salary and grievance But I would support going to both back to law and licensing and salary and grievance if that's what the motion is Thank you. Thanks for that suggestion We'll go on to Alderman Heidemann and maybe you can respond to whether or not you and the motioner would Would want to just send it to salary and grievances as well, but please proceed that that's correct whether it goes back to both committees Again, I didn't I still didn't under get the answer as to why it was referred to law and licensing not salary agreements Because it is an employee issue. I serve in that committee and I think that's where it belonged in the first place so if I can get an explanation and why it would go to law and license things instead of Salary and grievance, but again, I would go along with the dual referral if that committee wants to rediscuss it and have it as salary and grievance Yeah, just came in the clerk makes a lot of suggestions to me and that's one that I agreed with and We went to law and licensing and at the last meeting there is no objection to that So they had it on their agenda So if the committee wants to follow through and send it back to that committee as well as put it on the agenda for salary and grievances That's your option Any other discussion? Okay, we have a motion for a dual referral to law and licensing and salary and grievances All with the clerk what all these two voice, right all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Hi opposed motion passes Next item on the agenda is 5.8 Which is an RC by law and licensing to whom was referred general ordinance number 10 of 16 17 by alderman Jose Rimec and record excuse me amending section 10 dash 102 of the municipal code Entitled retail class a licenses so as to increase the number of retail class a liquor Licenses that may be issued by the city of Sheboygan and recommends passing the ordinance alderman Lissard Thank you for that motion and support under discussion alderman Jose this was discussed at the law and licensing committee and It was a consensus that With all the development we've got going with the five housing projects the new businesses coming downtown Myers redeveloping the Memorial Mall area that we're running dangerously close We only have one liquor license left in the city and there's some existing business that are expanding and are going to occupy potentially those licenses before Myers can ever get open and We we didn't look too deeply into it But it appears that the number of licenses has not been increased perhaps more than 30 years And so we're just at the city attorney's advice. We're not making a large increase We're simply increasing it by three licenses from the number available licenses from 12 to 15 Thank you for those comments. Any other discussion I'd like to ask the city attorney to please describe what type of businesses this license would apply to These are retail class a liquor licenses. So they are in essence liquor stores Thank you very much alderman boring Has a lot on licensing I guess I'm having trouble understanding the immediate urgency of this has there been a number of businesses That have come forward that want these retail liquor licenses and I did receive a call from a Woman that lives on the north side today I think some of the alderman did too that said that she didn't feel that these class a licenses were appropriate for her neighborhood that there were apparently were enough licenses of like that already in existence and She was concerned because it's a high crime neighborhood That she didn't think it was appropriate that any more class a's be in that in that neighborhood Now I would suppose that law and licensing would have jurisdiction on that But I'm a little bit concerned with the urgency on this if there's been so many people applying that We have to raise this now I I'm I'm tending not to support it based on what I heard from that constituent. Thank you. Thank you for those comments I think there are two issues here and one is some applications that are on Gilea Avenue And that's gonna be a separate determination as to what happens there and then this issue of are we In need of more licenses and should we go from 12 up to 15? So that's the issue that we'll be voting on is there any other discussion Alderman Lussard. Yes. I think what has come before us has been a number of different people looking to open Perhaps a grocery store with a liquor store in it in the projected as the downtown area It's larger. We've had two people apply for liquor licenses I mean for this to have liquor stores on Gilea Avenue one of 15th one on 11th And we have not making a decision regarding either one of those and with Myers coming into the picture we felt that as a committee and Discussion with the city attorney that it would be a good idea that we increased it that does not necessarily mean we're going to Handle three of them out, but we want to have the availability for any Retailers that want to come into perhaps our newly developed areas And I hope that everyone will support this. Thank you Thank you for those comments under discussion Alderman Heidemann. Thank you, mayor What's a total number of liquor licenses we could have for a community? Is it above 15 or is 15? That's where the bar is set city attorney. There is no limit. We're setting our own limit for this type of license It's different for class B Thank you for those comments Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor, so I Did receive a phone call to from a constituent this morning and it's specifically related to the issue on Gilea Avenue and They're concerned with with that. So I just want to make sure that from what I'm understanding. There's no quid pro quo here that we extend this to 15 and then that this these stores will be granted on Gilea Avenue So that's they're completely unrelated That correct There there are two separate issues the if this gets approved There are more licenses to give away But the I always advise the committee that just because you have a license doesn't mean you have to grant Did you have every right to hold it in your hand and not issue it? Thank you. Thank you for those comments Alderman Donahue What is the cost for a business to buy a class A retail license? You know, I don't know off the top of my head. Does the city clerk know? It's minimum of about six hundred dollars a year Thank you Alderman Boren Thank you, mayor. I don't want to put the police chief on the spot But chief Domigalski does your department have any opinion on the expansion of these class A licenses? Good evening. I would essentially agree with what's been said I think the the importance is more the process and decision making about Granting it to individual places. Is there a good business plan in place? Is it a good neighborhood? Issues like that. That's really what needs to be considered Thank you. Thank you very much for those comments Any other discussion? Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll for passage I got to go back. It was on the document I'm having some trouble getting back. I'll vote aye 12 ayes, two nos motion passes And then we'll go on to ordinances item 6.1 will be referred to the public protection and safety committee Other matters city attorney No other. Oh, yeah, there is one 7.1 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications For the period ending December 31 2016 june 30 2017 june 30 2018 That'll be referred to the law and licensing committee Next we have a contemplated closed session alderman donahue Thank you, mayor. I would move to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 1985 Sub 1 sub e of the wisconsin statutes were competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session related to redevelopment opportunities in the 600 block of north a street Thank you for that motion and support or the clerk, please call the roll for closed session I'm missing a few here Okay, what is it an aye and who else am I missing june I voted I voted already. Yes 14 ayes motion passes We'll take a five minute recess and I just like to advise our tv viewers that this will be the end of our broadcast the council will adjourn in closed session