 Okay, do not eat the white bread. You must eat the brown bread. Yeah. Yeah, do not eat it. Then you see the police, you eat the white bread. You go to prison. There is a trunk with a car. So the issue... You go to jail. Karutura is actually like the heart of Vintuch city. Because here you actually feel the people, the vibes of the people. Yeah. And everybody is so friendly. You wouldn't believe if I tell you that my journey across Africa has been one of the greatest form of education for me. Because I learn every single day. I mean, I learn new things every day. And anytime I learn new things, I feel like it's my responsibility to share whatever I've learned with you all. And this is why I do what I do by telling the African story by an African. I was in Namibia and I must be honest that Namibia is one of my favorite countries in the world. I fell in love with Namibia. Namibia is a great country, a very beautiful country. But I never knew that Namibia really got a better history until I got in here. I'm not talking about the 1904 genocide caused by the Germans. There's a picture of German soldiers hanging the Nama and Herrero, what we call the Nama Herrero genocide. So this happened in 1904 to 1908. So the Nama and Herreros were forced to move out of their land to lose their grazing land because the Germans wanted to, wanted their land. And the people resisted. So the Germans poisoned their water, the order was given to slaughter every women, children and kids. And some people were even, they fled to Botswana and some of them are still living in Botswana today. But I'm talking about the forceful removal of black people from the old location to Katutura. When it happened in 1959, and you can see that there is an old truck and few black people that packed in there. This was happening during the eviction of people from this area to Katutura. So who gave this place Katutura? The name. The name, where did they come from? We shall not live. We will not live. That's the meaning of Katutura. Katutura is Katutura. That's what Katutura means. Katutuna is Katutura. Katutuna is Katutuna. And the Tamaras said that it was Titei. And the people from Osivampo said that it was Ahaui. The name, you did read up what the name means, right? We shall not live. The place where no one would have lived. So it's the people who named it to say we shall not go there or we shall not settle there because there was a lot of resistance. So all this northern side of the city, most of it, white people lived and they just kept extending towards the city. But because of their segregation policies, they would keep chasing black people away. They would keep telling people move, move, move, get away while occupying the space. So this is the area where black people were living and they were forced out. They were moved out of the area and they also just didn't accept. They fought back and there were some people that were killed. We'll see it when we go to the cemetery. As I say, this area is the local location. We are now entering the memorial grave of the people that lost their lives during the resistance of the eviction by the apartheid regime, forcefully moving them to Katutura. So it was really a fight. People were fighting and the police during that time was also fighting back, like shooting back to the people who were not armed. So they were just protesting like, no, this is our land. We have been living here. Our great-great-grandfathers are buried here. So I can't remember the number, how many people died, but this is the grave just to commemorate them and their bravery in fighting the colonial system. This is the mass grave, like where signifies, yeah. All is going through your mind during that time. All is going through your mind, like this is your land and they're telling you that, I mean, you own something and they're telling you to go away. All is going through your mind during that time. When they were at school, they would get letters that they would be told to give to their parents and these letters said, tell your parents to pick and move and they would chew up those papers and destroy those papers because the papers said that where they lived, which was old location, was dirty. But they thought that it was dirty. So this is the house where she came to stay when she got resettled from that. And her sister used to live just behind here. And her sister's name was Albertina Camusco. And she was a friend of Capurucada Mungunda. The Capurucada Mungunda is the one who threw the tear gas at the police and bombed the car and she was shot by the police. They were evicted from their houses. Yes. Okay. And brought them to Catutura. Yes. When we were coming to Catutura, the houses in here that they told them that, okay, we are evicted from your other house, but come and stay here. We'll build houses for you to stay here. So the idea was that you were removed from old location, but you were assigned to a house. So like this house is where they were brought to. So which means they built these houses for them? Yes. For them to come and stay. Yes. So here they would pay four cents and ten cents. And they didn't buy the houses as such. They were given the houses. But in old location, they would pay like 25 cents. So the 25 cents that they paid was just more for like sanitation, toilets and all of that stuff. So it wasn't rent as such. If you really made it to this far, I guess you have to agree with me that Namibia indeed got a better history and you really want to know more. Just like I want to know how was life during that time. So it was very decumanizing, right? So even the way they were treated in terms of just getting food, you would be served in a very small tin, right? Instead of being served with dignity in a plate where, you know, people can eat it. Just the dynamics that it was. If white people are eating and you happen to be in that space, you're not allowed to be there. You have to excuse yourself. Experience had a lot to do with resisting and not wanting to do, not wanting to live like many other people in Hapam. They worked to permit. They called it a pass. So if you wanted to travel, you're going to another town or you're going to another person's house and you get caught there, you must present your pass because they were controlling and regulating black people. Let's go and learn more about the old location inside, looking at the photographs or how this place was looking during that time of the eviction. If you go through the pictures here, you can see the old location, one of the oldest pictures. As you can see, there's a bulldozer or removing the house. The critical thing here, this was a shop. The black people living across that building, there's a bridge there. It's like a border that a black man cannot live here. You only come here and you may get the pass to come and buy bread here in this shop, from that location where the black people were. The old location. The white people now want that place to say bread and white cannot live together. So this is another place, that's another place. If this bridge could talk really, it will be explaining the history of the separation between the blacks and the whites in Vinduk. There is a man that was explaining that you needed the pass to just cross this bridge because then you were entering a white zone where white people were living and this is where black people were living. But I don't understand, this land belongs to somebody. You came instead of you to live with them, decided to evict them and even telling them that you can't come here. Yeah, I think it's a colonial mentality. You came, people welcomed you, but you became so greedy. You wanted everything good. You want to take their land, force them out and that's, it's really a colonial mentality that also happened here. So we're driving now toward Katukura. We just came from the areas of Auckland and Nisbac, which is known historically the old location. So you can just look at the distance that we've been driving, almost like 15 or more minutes. We've been driving and we are still not in Katukura. So imagine people evicted from that area to Katukura and if you live in Katukura right now and you work in Auckland, it's still less struggle to come there every morning in terms of transport. Welcome to Katukura and we are, we are entering now Evelyn Street, the famous street I think in Vinduk, everyone knows Evelyn Street. It's also one of the streets where you find money, kind of in terms of businesses. A lot of people do their businesses here, be it selling of alcohol, car wash, mechanics and you also find flats. So it's really the hub of Katukura to say there are many, many, many hubs, but this is one of them where people even sold their houses that are in this street so they could be 10 in 2 businesses. Yeah. And it's also according to the people, one of the unsafe locations in Vinduk, because a lot of crimes happen here because of the inequalities and so on. So everyone wants to hustle here and so on. So on the left and on the right, back and forth, it's bars. As you can see, it's a bar close to a bar next to a bar, after a garage, after a car wash, so it's really a business center of Katukura. So Katukura dream starts here and so on. So it's kind of like a local economy happening here. The driving Evelyn here, you have to be careful because people are a little bit ignoring the law and the rules. And also some roads that need traffic lights do not have traffic lights. So it becomes chaotic. The challenges mostly here is the traffic in the morning, if you stay here. And this is like the main road that everyone used to go to town. So you can imagine in the morning rush hour, it's always traffic with our little population. Since we've been driving, we haven't seen any white person living here. So this situation doesn't affect everyone. It affects specifically black people, the inequality and wealth distribution. Yes. And most of the areas in this location are named after the liberation struggle leaders. And really it's a shame that people that fought for independence and liberation, independence and independence, economically emancipation were named after places that looked like this. It doesn't really reflect what they were fighting. And the sad part is that the majority of people that live here in the past years have voted for the ruling party and that really to my views, couldn't do much to improve people's life. And they still believe as you can, there's a flag there, that's a ruling party's flag. They still believe that these are the only people that are going to liberate them and help them to come out of this situation. My name is Maya and I'm from Ghana. And I'm here for the first time. And all I want to know from you is how is life in Kattutura? Hi, my name is Laimi. I'm from Havana, somewhere in Kattutura. So we have so many amazing things in Kattutura. We have roads, tired roads and crowded roads. We have electricity in some parts. We have water. Okay, let me talk about the roads. We have our roads. There are some challenges when it comes to roads and water, electricity, but I go through one by one. Okay, let me say road, there are both roads. There are times or there are parts where you find out holes in the road and there are parts where there's no tired roads. So that makes it a bit challenging because you can get kept or you can have your heavy things, but then on the road it's not really safe to transport sometimes, but here. And again, water. There are some locations in Kattutura which don't have water. Or let me say you don't have water, but not really close or we don't really own it. It's a public, we only have public tubs. As you can see some are here. So those are what we call public tubs and they are houses that are far from public tubs. So you have to walk a bit. This tends to get in your container of water and all that, which is also one of the challenges. Coming to electricity, there are some locations where we don't have electricity. We make use of generator, solar panels and street, I mean battery lights. Where we buy batteries we put in the lamps then we switch on, switch off whenever you need. And yes, Kattutura is one of the most amazing places. I like it more because life this side is so, it's fun. I mean we have that neighborhood where we go out or we meet, we have fun, we talk every time, any day. But then let me note, okay in case of comparing Kattutura to Olympia and those times there you live as if you are just in your house. It's like you don't have neighbors. You don't make use of neighbors. You may need something, but you cannot ask your neighbors. Here in Kattutura it's so fun you can ask your neighbor, what do you have here? I'm shooting this, can you help me with? And we go on, it's like we are family here. And again there's just so much entertainment in Kattutura. We have capana, we have bars. Okay, maybe bars are not important, we have bars where we entertain ourselves. I want to ask like the way the house looks like, I think it's the best version that a house is a house to be. I would say no because when it's summer it's very hot and again there are people that really think they are best, but life is hard, you know we are not all the same. We don't have all the materials one need to have a proper house. So you go in the house, you find it's the room, okay the couples room, then the kids room, then the kitchen. So it's not really safe to do things in the house and the houses are not really properly done sometimes. And again when it's raining, rainy seasons, there are times where rain damages our houses, like flooding away the houses and all that when they are built. Do you think Kattutura need help from the government? Yes, very much mostly water, electricity, road, or maybe taxi rain, yes taxi rain comes with the road. So maybe if we get the third road somewhere we can get taxi rain here because our taxi rain is four-way and it's very far to get here. Plus this is not the end, the end is that side and it's very far. Oh yes we really need help, we need light, we need in the dark when it's in the evening it's really dark, unless maybe there's a bar or maybe there's a house with solar panels or a generator that lights up at the surrounding environment, otherwise not the whole location. Thank you so much for talking to me. You're welcome.