 What is going on? I mean, for sure, shocking to everyone externally. 30 and 13, second-best record in the league. But there's been mounting. This didn't just happen overnight. And they wanted to maximize their abilities. They know what Damien Leroy and Yannis de Cumpo, they need to contend for an NBA championship this year. And the roster topped down from their best players to the back end of the roster. They simply were not responding to Adrian Griffin. And key officials on the Bucs team, too. This goes beyond just the players. They lost confidence in Adrian Griffin, his ability to create the right schemes, his ability to communicate those schemes, his adjustments. And the Bucs simply, the players had lost faith in Adrian Griffin. He had lost the team. And Michelle, it got to the point where in early December, I'm told, the Bucs went and sought Doc Rivers out to be essentially a special consultant and an informal consultant to Adrian Griffin. So picture this. Adrian Griffin, Doc Rivers, Bucs, key officials, all in meeting, starting in Vegas during the in-season tournament. That's really when the beginning of this process of, at first it was like mentorship and trying to figure out a way to allow Adrian Griffin to finish out this season. But now, a month and a half later, Doc Rivers is the leader to be the new head coach of this Bucs team. The sides are working toward a deal, I'm told, last night and this morning. The Bucs have looked at a couple other candidates, Nate McMillan's name potentially, if these negotiations don't finish off with Doc Rivers, but they want to get a deal done fast. I'm told they're trying to hire a coach, Doc Rivers, as soon as possible, because the clock is ticking on the season and they know this window with Damian Lillard, still in his prime and Giannis, it's short. This is a championship team. The expectations change when they got Dame there. And, you know, Doc Rivers seems to be on his way. Marquette alum, he's got his jersey hanging at their arena rafters. So, this is something that's moving here. It's cutthroat, very Game of Thrones. I know you were surprised, Chandler, because when the texts started going between us, you thought we were talking about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's how I know you weren't thinking, like, no, it could possibly be Adrian Griffin. So what did you think? I was very surprised, and clearly this was something to do with the personality and loss of the locker room and just all around, just respect for this guy, because at the end of the day, they're 30 and 13. They're second in the east. They're three and a half games behind the Boston Celtics who everyone's so scared of and has as their contender. It's shocking, because it's such a small sample size, but clearly they're in a win now situation where they don't have confidence and they've lost all faith where they'd rather pull the plug now. Who cares about his guaranteed three-year deal moving forward? They want a guy right now who can earn the respect of those players, make in-game defensive schemes. The whole thing about how his defense is bad, that I don't think is fair. That they traded their best defensive player due holiday and they got one of the better scoring point guards, but Dave is not that great of a defender. So of course, their defense is gonna take a hit. I just think this is more of a personality trait. This is more of a locker room issue. The Bobby Portas, Heaven team meetings early on, the issue with Terry Stott early on. There's clearly been stuff behind the scenes where there's been issues going on, but yeah, I think I hate the raw deal that NBA coaches get. And now it's just a cesspool. Let's go hire someone who's already had multiple chances and Nate McMillan and Doc Rivers who've been fired for the same reasons for another organization. Let's go bring them in, they'll change it. Well, your ex-wife will marry another. Yeah, exactly. And let's also hire my next wife to help my current wife and then just switch them. It's a cesspool. And I think it's pathetic how the NBA coaching service happened. I think there's a word for that. I know, it's like, were you shocked? I was shocked, but the Terry Stott's incident was a sign early on. I love Griff. I had Griff in Toronto. I'd never had him as a head coach, but he was great. I think as I said, the locker room situation was the end of the day type of decision. So I was shocked. I didn't think it would happen this fast, this soon, but I was given the sense of urgency that Milwaukee has a winning with the group. Everybody's explained that. Giannis and Dame, they don't have, but so many years left. So yeah, I think Doc is a good fit. We'll see if it happens. I'm gonna ask you that, because you played for him in Philly. So when you hear Doc is most likely going to get this job. I think, I think he's a good fit. I think he knows how to coach certain players. And I think they'll respect him. I think that's the biggest thing with Griff that he was lacking from the locker room. It was probably the respect factor. So the in-game adjustments, they were winning games, they were second and east, but the way they were winning wasn't great. They should be better. Everybody expected them to look better. The games that they were losing in season tournament, losing Indiana, Indiana had their number, losing multiple games to Indiana, I think was a sign. If the playoffs come and we can't make adjustments to beat these type of teams, or we match up with the team, we don't trust, they didn't trust Griff to make those adjustments to when the game slows down and when the playoffs. Yeah, and a lot of this team, we're talking about how talented they are. A lot of these wins just come from pure talent. They're offensive firepower. Where Dame goes for 39. Giannis has these big games. So I understand from that aspect and Doc Rivers, as an experienced player like Giannis, like Dame, these Hall of Fame players, they have to respect the head coach. They have to have seen them come from somewhere before where they've handled superstar players like that. And Doc Rivers has done that. He knows how to work a locker room. He knows how to give the speeches. Now I don't know if they're the in-game situations in his schemes or if they're gonna just magically play, but to me, Danny, now it's on the players. For sure. We made the trade. We fired your coach. Now defense is 90% effort. So if these guys now, if Doc can get that out of them, sure, great, it looks good. But to me, there's not, Doc's not just gonna come in here and sprinkle good defense and locker. I think he knows how to light a fire though. I will say, he knows how to light a fire. He knows how to get the best out of some of his guys. I don't know if you've seen him on with KG and Paul talking about the days in Boston, but he knew how to get under a certain guy's skin to get them to play hard. He'll attack KG in different ways. He'll attack Paul in different ways. So I think he knows how to, let's say micromanage, but he knows how to manage certain egos. He knows how to get guys to play harder defensively and light a fire in them. So that's one thing I know he will change. They will respect him and they will, he will find a way to get those guys to play hard on defense. And teams have done this before, like Atlanta when they hired Lloyd Pierce, they hired Nate McMillan, who is basically his replacement. So they did the same thing with Beeline and JB Biggerstaff and Cleveland, where they know that basically your replacement is in that office right next to you. And that kind of feels like this with Doc, hired him as a consultant. No one got one day as soon as you mess up or as soon as you lose the locker room, this guy is taking your job. That's a weird, look, I get every business has a backup plan. There's a succession plan, all of those good things, but it's odd to have hired him, then bring Doc in and just sort of have him, I mean, I just pictured his like lingering in the corner, just waiting, I get it, business is business, but it is kind of slimy feeling though. And to me, when you look at this team, obviously we know how talented they are. We know they're going to win games just based off that. But we talk about the Thunder coach, Mark Dagnott. Sure. We talk about Chris Finch, how good of a job they're doing. What are their records? 30 and 13. So it's like these guys are a coach of the year, the candidates and this guy's getting fired with the same exact record. It's just, I get it, there needs to be adjustments. You've got to have the morale and the locker room and the team, we all got to be on the same page. But to me, Griffin got shafted. Does Griffin sign an NDA or will he be able to talk about all this? Because that's who I want to hear. I mean, it seemed like he did at least a couple of interviews and all he did was support the Bucks. I spoke to a few people in the locker room players to meet two things that stand out. You need to have a coach that you respect. And the other thing is, this is a Bucks team when you think about it. They're not used to this type of turbulence as an organization. We don't hear, we don't see a mid-season change out of this organization. Obviously, having Mike Buenholzer there, there was a string of years of stability. They haven't had this in really a really long time since Yanis and Tutokubo has been there. So this is the team right now with Damon Lillard. He's got hopefully two, three, four more years left in his prime. They got Yanis still going strong. Obviously, like they have to make it happen now. And they simply felt like Adrian Griffin was not going to get the job done in the playoffs when it mattered most. And they made this assessment in January. No, no, they just thought he wasn't going to be able to get it done. We think of you guys sometimes as robots, like the players, like, oh, just you can do whatever. They'll be fine. But changing a coach mid-season, is it weird? Does it take time? Yeah, I've never had a coach in change mid-season, but I have been traded mid-season. So I would assume it's similar, going from one situation to another trying to figure it out on the fly, moving your whole family. It's going to be an interesting move for me. But I think Doc has said, if you're going to find somebody that's experienced and it has respect to do it mid-season, he's the guy to bring in and to make things, I wouldn't say ship it the right way, but at least keep it under control. I had it. I had Fisdale get fired in Memphis when I was there. And I hated it because I loved Fisdale. And I didn't think that was the right move. I thought that's a whole other story with him and Gasol. And though that was more personal, which this feels like to me too. But there's a honeymoon phase where, yeah, OK, great. I brought the fresh air. It's like when you trade for a player, oh, this is just going to change everything. There's a different feel in the facility. There's an energy. And I think that's what's going to happen here. And again, I think now the onus falls on the players where they have to. Or else the next one to go is a player to get traded. I mean, this is it. The coaching change they make, this guy's here. And they've already done that. They already made the big trade for game loads. And now they have their team. And whoever they hire, that's going to be their coach moving forward. And now it's on the players because they have to have that responsibility to defend and play hard and win games or now. Or they're going to be next. Yeah, you can't do this again. Dany, I mean, you played with Doc. And you had him when you guys had some star players there in Philadelphia. How do you think Doc is going to manage or could manage Yanis and Dame? You saw him with Ben and Joella. I think he's going to challenge Dame on the defensive and first formers. I was going to challenge Yanis. But Yanis is a little different in that aspect. Yanis is a different motor. I'm not saying Dame doesn't, but on the defensive and the floor, we know he's the guy that people sought out or going to pick out on the playoffs. On the playoffs, slow down. They're going to find the mismatch. And they're going to go with Dame. Dame's a smaller guard. He's not known for defense. That's not saying he can't. But I think Doc is going to challenge him. The way he did with Tyrese Maxey and Tyrese is the player he is today, I think a lot has to do with how Doc challenged him. So I think he's going to challenge Dame. He's going to challenge the rest of the guys. But like Chandler was saying, if this doesn't work out, I think they're going to make some moves with players. They paid a lot of guys there to win. They're very talented. This is a win-now situation. If they don't win now, whether it's with Doc or not, they're going to move something. Something's going to happen this summer with the player situation. And I imagine Doc won't be cheap either. Like, that's going to be another bunch of money. Double fig. He knows his worth. Yeah, like that's. He's making a lot more than Griffin was. And he just got fired from Philly for not being able to manage these. And what about Doris Burke? No one's asking the tough question. And now what's ESPN going to do? No, it's all falling apart. Yeah, who knows? I'm not rid of Mark and Jet. I don't know what's going on. We could spend another hour on that, and I'd love to.