 Rex Bear leak project. How the heck are you? Super excited for this opportunity. We have the man, the myth, the legend, Matthew LaCroy with us. And I remember the first interview I did with Matthew a few years ago. It was incredible. Everyone that we have done since has been amazing. And we're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about Anunnaki. We're going to talk about different symbols. We're going to talk about how important they actually are. And just got an echo. Wasn't that cool? So Matthew, you look great, man. I'm so excited about what we discussed off air that the future so bright, you got to wear shades. Hey, Rex. Hey, great to be here. We always have awesome shows. We've been doing this for several years now, going way back to the very beginning. In fact, I want to mention for those who don't know a little history lesson, Rex is really the first person who actually gave me a shot on doing a show on a channel that was rather significant. And so I really do owe Rex so much for doing that. And having said that, there are some really exciting changes coming in my life. And I can't share them all yet. But that's what Rex was referring to. But there will be a relocation coming up in my life here. And there's going to be quite a few big changes that a lot of people will be really happy about. So I can't announce all of them yet, but there's a lot of good things to come. So Rex, we're going to be sitting down today to discuss some ancient mysteries, symbols, answer some of these, I guess, largely unanswered questions that a lot of people consider still floating around with a lot of different opinions. And I want to try to take some of that evidence from everything I've studied and so many of the other great minds that have come together to really piece together and understand where we came from, how old is our story, who created us? Are we just a simply a Darwinian ape that's some kind of a collaboration of a Denisovian and Neanderthal that came out of nowhere? Or is there more to the story? A lot of those questions have remained somewhat unanswered in a lot of modern academia. And today we're going to be digging into evidence that proves in my mind really who those creators were, who those influences were, where civilization came from, and how these important symbols play a role in all those things because it all comes down to an umbrella of understanding, an umbrella of knowledge that covers wide, huge, wide areas that if you study just one little piece of it, you're really going to miss the bigger picture. So today we're going to try to get a lot of those questions down into a comprehensive presentation with some good slides today, Rex. Great. And since we're looking at two of my favorite images here, the Anunnaki Lunchbox, the Anunnaki Rolex, and the Pinecone Pineal Gland. So I'm going to give you my quick theory here. And it might not even be close, but is the bag here, the Anunnaki Lunchbox, is this the May, which is the me, which is DNA? Well, we'll get into that. I don't want to spoil anything too fast yet. Oh, okay. I don't know if we're going to talk about in the beginning because I saw this. Okay. Well, we're going to take it at your pace, but that's my possible theory. So where are we going to start, man? I'm going to hit the mute button right now. Mute. Well, we're going to start from the very beginning. I want to lay out a little bit of a framework and understanding for those who are familiar with this work and then those who are not. Now, I just want to point out that there are some who have seen a previous presentation I did similar to this. I've added some new slides, some new information, expanded on a number of areas. So for those who have already seen some of this, there's more that's in this presentation. I guess it's a 2.0 on the other version. But so let's get into it, Rex. Let's jump right in. We still have so many questions remaining for a lot of the things that I mentioned before. I still get asked all the time, on the Anunnaki reel, what do they look like? Where do they come from? Are they a reptilian? What is this, as Rex called, a lunchbox, or as it's commonly referred to, some kind of a handbag symbol? And what is this pine cone? And why is he wearing some kind of a watch way before watches were ever invented? We're going to get into all of that as we start here. But before we do and before we get into those really detailed discussions, we got to lay out a framework here to understand, because not everybody's on the same level. And this has also helped for a lot of other people that are still putting these pieces together as well. Symbols play the biggest role of all, even more so, I would say, than writings. Symbols play the biggest role in understanding the past. Ancient cultures were brilliant in many ways, a lot smarter than we are now. And they realized that the only way to preserve a message was to create either a template, like a cuneiform tablet where you could etch it into clay and then bake it so it could survive for lengthy amounts of time. That was a way to preserve a writing. But how do you preserve a message? How do you have a message that has many, many different meanings, both linear and nonlinear? How do you represent that? How would you do it? You'd use a symbol. Symbols are, is really the language of the ancient people. And this is a one little depiction just to give some people a reference on those symbols. And the first thing to bring up on symbols though, is that the way that we view symbols today, and the definitions that we have in our minds, is not necessarily what was supposed to be originally. Meaning that a lot of symbols over time, as difficult as it is for some watching this that are super patriotic, maybe they're from the United States and they're, you know, they're waving some banner, some flag, or maybe they have an eagle out on their front step. They're patriotic and proud of that eagle. But quickly, when you, when you look at it and you start to dig in, a lot of these symbols have been inverted and have, we've been taught, a very incorrect definition for what they really mean based on certain parties and interests wanting to have a certain perception in society of those things. For instance, if you were to realize that the eagle represents conquering and masculine power and controlling and dominating over the natural world, you might not be as happy to have that symbol on your flag or crest. Really, once you start digging in and I have that graphic up in the corner of the screen, and I talk about this all the time when I discuss the eagle and the serpent, but you'll see that almost any country throughout history that was a warring empire, at least during some extended time period, had an eagle on their crest or seal. And the more that I started seeing that, the more that I realized that this was telling a story. This was representing the true mentality of a, of a people of a nation, not what they're saying. You know, instead of what someone's saying, you judge them on what their actions are. And clearly you can see that the war eagle has taken over and basically conquered much of our world, which is why it's no surprise that a lot of our societies based on supporting powerful military empires that create the illusion of all this conflict when really a lot of it isn't really conflict at all. It's in many ways created conflict. But anyway, that's a whole nother set of topics to discuss, because fear is a very powerful tool. But so the image on the left next to the flags, you can see that that's not an eagle. That's actually a serpent or a dragon. Now that depiction with Nick, where you see next with his ear, where you have the basically the the perfect circle representing balance in the eternal equal balance across the the world, basically, that's that represents the serpent of balance and knowledge. And that comes from Teotihuacan in Mexico. And that was an ancient Aztec symbol for a serpent or a dragon. So why would they have something like that if it's an eagle, an evil symbol? Well, really, what it comes down to is that symbol like the serpent of the dragon was actually a very positive symbol of represented knowledge, balance and knowledge and actually feminine creation. The serpent is actually is actually a feminine symbol, whereas the eagle is the masculine symbol. So if you look at polarity and duality, they are the polar and dual opposites of each other, which is why it makes a lot of sense if you think about if you were to create some new nation out of nowhere and you created the nation to be completely sustainable, have no fossil fuels be balanced all the earth, like an indigenous culture, but without being becoming eventually corrupted and turning into war culture. If you had that balance, and you were balanced with the earth, and you had knowledge of the heavens and the stars, and you built these stone masonry ruins that basically had a balance with the earth, you would be one of these cultures that was based on a polarity balance of knowledge and wisdom and balance with the earth. And that would be a symbol of the serpent. And that's why we see these cultures all around the world have these one of the one or two symbols that I just mentioned, either the eagle or the eagle of the serpent represent their mentality and their focus. And you find that all over the world. And that's why that big competition that we find of the influencers of those and how they eventually became corrupted in many cases, those symbols show that and we'll get into that as I go along. But I wanted to lay out a framework for how powerful symbols are and how they can be inverted to opposite meanings and have an entire nation step behind them as a powerful symbol. Now look at the bottom of the screen, you'll see popular symbols with like the common medical symbol, which is actually called the rod of Asclepius. And that's the symbol of the serpent wound around a rod. That's our medical symbol representing medicine, higher balance of energy, higher health, higher consciousness. It's always been the serpent, just like the the staff of Hermes on the left, you see used with the wings that come out. Those have been the same symbols all along. And on the right, just one more little comparison to show you showing you how wings wings at the top of always represented, represented ascension of energy and serpents have always represented the energy within us of a higher vibration along our spinal cord. And so that's what the rod represents is our spinal cord going up into our crown shocker of our brain showing the path of ascension of higher energy. Now that we've laid that framework, I want to bring these other symbols in that are important as well, and then overlay them, because they all have connections to one another. All right, Rex, before we move on, you all set? Yeah. And I wanted to ask one quick question from the from the audience here. And this is from the live chat. And I want to thank everybody for being here. Enki versus Enlil, is that serpent versus the eagle? Yeah. And that's something that I is one of the the premiers of my work that I discussed is when you really get into deep into Mesopotamia and a lot of other places around the world, where you find the different names and incarnations and variations of those two individuals, those two Anunnaki brothers, you find that Enki always had, or as least as his primary symbol, the symbol of the serpent or the dragon was always empty symbol, whereas Enlil, the Lord of the of the of the air Lord of the sky, he was always shown with a symbol of the eagle. And his various sons and others had those types of symbols. And that's why you see something like when the Roman Empire became powerful with the busy, busy teen eagle, that was simply a representative representation of him, and possibly his son, Anurta, and some of the other individuals that have come along. So it's been more of this puppeteering show with certain cultures around the world to have them be governed in a certain way. And we'll, we'll get into as we go along, just remember, though, the passing of knowledge doesn't always mean you pass along good knowledge. What if you were to pass along the knowledge of how to create great armies, how to build weapons, how to create an atomic bomb? How could that knowledge impact a civilization? So I just want to keep that in mind to remember that as we go along. Okay, so there's a lot of this is a collage of images here, but it really gets to the point very, very well. Besides the eagle and the serpent, there are two other symbols that are probably the most common we find in ancient cultures around the world, which would bring you four symbols, right? The eagle serpent, and then two others that we literally see in every continent, in every place that we find megalithic lost civilizations, or any culture that predates, predates like three, 4,000 years ago, we always find these symbols. Now the pine cone symbol is probably the most popular of all. In fact, it's actually scary when you look into it, how common it is with the elites and places beyond, I guess, the perception of people, like for instance, going to a place like the Vatican Archives or going to the Vatican itself and finding these giant pine cone statues outside and the staff that the Pope wears has a pine cone built right into it. You know, what does this mean? How do we have these symbols all around the ancient world and still being used today? Well, the easiest way to figure out symbols, if they're used together, in which we're going to get into that there are, there's more than one symbol here that's used, but in terms of the pine cone, we really do know what the pine cone means. That discussion is pretty much over. The pine cone represents knowledge, the passing of knowledge, and that doesn't have to just be showing the pine cone passing to an empty, an empty wall or just a symbol with them passing it. It can show them passing to a certain individual, like a king, and you'll see that it's often the pine cone is being pointed right to the back of their head. Adding a layer onto the passing of knowledge, you find that the human brain contains a very interesting, an interesting functionality within it called the pine yield gland, and the pine yield gland has been worshipped since before the times of the dynastic Egyptians as the true gateway to, once you have knowledge, how do you comprehend knowledge? How do you unlock your ability to not have filters? How do you unlock your ability to see the bigger picture, to truly understand what these things really mean? And the only way to do that would be to unlock your pine yield gland with inside us. Now, for those who don't know, it's incredibly interesting if you want to go down the road of this being somewhat of a conspiracy theory, you can find out that if you were to dump fluoride into public drinking water, and you were to consume that even on a minor level, fluoride is a neurotoxin. And one of the main things it does is calcify the pine yield gland. So not only was it used during World War II with the Nazis playing around with the Jewish camps to try to keep people as dumbed down as possible in a state where they wouldn't revolt, but not only that to keep them in a sedated state, it causes the pine yield gland to completely shut down. So this functionality of passing knowledge and unlocking the pine yield gland within us is what I mean about these symbols having many, many meanings within them. It's there are layers like an onion to these, and they all come together. Now, notice why the pine yield, why the pine cone, right? Well, the pine cone represents a collection of seeds. And it also has sacred geometry within it as well. And systematic design is one of these things that has multitudes of reasons for why it was chosen, but really it's passing the seeds of knowledge. Because if you wanted someone to grow, let's say if you were using someone as a metaphor as like a plant, and you wanted them to grow, and they were just bare ground at that point, nothing had ever, nothing had sprouted, right? They were just a blanket slate. You would pass a seed of knowledge to have them grow, to grow up and learn that information in an advanced on a way where they just simply didn't understand before. And that's why when we find these symbols, and we get back all the way to even things like the Dogen with how the Dogen had these depictions of the Nomo who the Nomo, if anyone wants to look into the story of the Dogen, that's the being that they supposedly were influenced by that taught all about the stars and serious alignments of all the different serious stars and all the knowledge of the cosmos. They were taught that they said by the Nomo. And when you look at the image of the Nomo, you find that the Nomo was just a different depiction of Awanus, which is simply the Mesopotamian version of Enki. So that long story that I'm trying to point out is when you see someone like the Pope, and he's got the staff with the pine cone on it, not only is that interesting, but he's wearing a miter hat that hat he wears is the same hat that the Nomo and Awanus wore in that symbolic way to show their influences to those civilizations. So think about how bizarre that is. We're told that all this stuff is fantasy and a myth, the Anunnaki and these influences of beings and creating these civilizations and all the stuff. None of it's real. And yet the highest of our religious establishments has a pine cone on their staff and the hat worn by one of the ancient influencers of those cultures. Clearly they know all of this, right? And they're keeping most of it in places like the Vatican Archives. And here we are, Rex. Individuals like you and I just have to put all this together in our spare time because Main Street and Academia is basically they're not allowed to talk about it. And it's just really sad. What an honor that we have the ability to research this and just that inspiration. What an honor. What a blessing. We are so lucky. And everybody watching this is probably doing the same things we are. We're searching for the truth. We're being given this knowledge. We have been given this knowledge in this presentation. You are passing the pine cone to us. That's right. I guess I got to be doing like this, right? That's be the way that I should show it. Yeah, it truly is an honor. Thank you for that, Rex. And the one thing I want to point out before I move on from the slide is we talked about the staff of Hermes before and the rod of Asclepius. Now notice those two depictions in the center of the PowerPoint. They show the pine cone on the very top where the wings are, meaning that the key to all ascension is simply balance and knowledge. The knowledge of balance and the knowledge in wisdom needed provides you the way, the way to the top, the way to, as they've said, heaven and all these other various things along the way. That way, though, the last thing I want to say, that way is being guarded, very guarded by these powerful individuals like that man down there. You see the bottom, the pope. That's not the same pope that's in charge now, but those individuals are tasked simply with protecting that knowledge from us because it would allow us to be free. And we would, it would completely, the control of religions would fall apart. Everything would change. But Rex, we're going to get into the next symbol because it gets even more wild than that. It really, and this isn't new, new information, but it's a way to bring this all in a cohesive fashion that might help others. And I don't want to pretend that I'm the first person to talk about that because some people came back and were saying, oh, others have discussed this. We're all in this collaboration together. Like what Rex just said, we're the ones doing this, not in the mainstream. So we're all coming together to bring this information and have discussions and figure out what the truth is because it is already being hidden from us. And so we're trying to bring it back to the people. And that's the whole point of this. So we got the pine cone down. We discussed the pine cone. Now let's go to its sister symbol that you find almost depicted every time, not every time, but almost every time depicted. And that is the symbol of the handbag. Now those, these two symbols go hand in hand. They really do. And that's why it's important to first figure out what the pine cone means and then figure out what the handbag means. Now I want to just mention one thing really quick is about these symbols. There are two camps of people that fall in line often with this type of research. And you see them all the time. And I'm not trying to put anybody on, throw anybody on the bus, but this is just the way that it tends to work. One group of people tends to think that everything is purely symbolic and that none of it has any physical meaning at all, any actual meaning. And it's all just trying to teach us lessons. Whereas the other group of people sees things like this, for instance, the picture on the right, that depiction from Mexico, La Venta, Mexico of, it's an Olmec depiction, they'll see that dragon up there and they'll say there was a dragon there that gave them that information. You know, they'll take everything in a linear way. And then I mentioned the other one takes, everybody takes it just a symbolic way. What I've found is that the truth is right in between. It's not one or the other. It's right in between. Some things are supposed to be symbolic and some things are supposed to be literal. Okay. There was never really a dragon there. Remember, that's just a symbol for the serpent, which a dragon is a variation of that. That just shows their symbol, those influencers, them being there providing knowledge to that civilization. And their symbol, Enki or whatever group was part of that, though, whatever group you want to mention as part of that, their symbol was simply the dragon or the serpent, the knowledge bringers, the knowledge providers. Okay. Well, there are others involved in this. Then we'll get to those in a second. Now, if the pine cone is how you pass knowledge, then what would you represent if you were the keepers of all knowledge? So if you were the ones who had all knowledge and you were the ones protecting that knowledge, you would have to have a way of showing that that knowledge is somewhere safe, somewhere that it can be protected, somewhere that it can stay inside. So really, if you think about it, the pine cone goes in the handbag, but neither of them are real things. They're both symbols that represent both the passing of knowledge and those who have all the knowledge. And I mean all of it. Everything from the knowledge of creating civilizations, the knowledge of creating war, the knowledge of how to start agriculture, the knowledge of astronomy, the knowledge of mathematics, metallurgy, fermentation of things, how to the domestication of animals, every single one of those things, the knowledge of those things came and it was handed down to Sumer. And the Sumerians clearly state that in their tablets, their ancient cuneiform tablets, they state that they didn't invent any of it. In fact, if you look at one of their cylinder seals, VA 243, before even the telescope was invented, the Sumerians knew every single planet of our solar system and they knew exactly the size ratios of them and how they aligned. How could a culture like that have known that without a telescope? Not to mention all of the knowledge that they got to create these civilizations out of nowhere. How to clear out the life, the channels of rivers so they didn't fill up with silt so you could use them for agriculture. How to take these base metals like iron, copper, melt them down and then create tools and different things. All of this came from these creators. So really when you come down to it, the pine cone is the passing of knowledge and the handbag is the totality of all that knowledge. Those who carry all the knowledge, they have the knowledge of all. And so they're passing this knowledge to create further civilizations. Now I want you to remember that the image right there at the top left of the screen with the three handbags at the top with the vulture on it because we're going to get to that in a minute. So Rex, I want to just mention, I mentioned on the right that that depiction with the handbag is from La Venta, Mexico with the Olmec. The one in the center is from Iraq with the Anunnaki passing civilization on and the one on the left, the handbag symbols is from Gobekli, Tepe and Turkey. Three different parts of the world with the exact same symbols being shown for them. How could that be possible in conventional mainstream thinking with all civilizations not having contact and being only 6,000 years old? That doesn't make any sense, does it? Not at all. All right. So we're going to move on to another area of these symbols to discuss that I find really, really fascinating. That might help connect some people. So we talked about quite a bit of difference in time. I was starting to interrupt. I was going to say there's a huge difference in time between those three cultures. That's another great point too. Huge difference. But that's the challenging thing is we don't really know when they were created, Rex. When I've gone in to look at the cultures like the Mayan, the Aztec and down into the Inca, even in the Mesopotamian and into the Egyptians and into everywhere, that you find that those ancient megalithic structures and lost technology is that there may have been multiple versions of those cultures that came and went. So for instance, down in Mexico, there's a place called Ushmal. And Ushmal is an incredible Mayan temple, and the name itself means built three times. So Rex, think about that. If you had an ancient culture that predated what we think of as the Maya, and they were wiped out by some catastrophe, and then another culture came later or the remnants of that culture tried to rebuild again, would we consider that the Maya, even though the Maya were gone, it was just the descendants of them? We have to start being careful with how we view these cultures. Because when I look at something like the Omec, they look like a culture that was much, much predated what we think of as the Aztec. So there are many layers to this cake. There are many layers to understanding this. And you see that in places like Machu Picchu down in South America, because like I've mentioned all the time, but you see the most sophisticated building on the bottom, and then gradually less sophisticated with brick and mortar at the top, meaning that those cultures in the bottom were wiped out, and then the cultures that came later tried to mimic them. So that's why it's difficult to categorize who did what and who is responsible for what. So this is a perfect segue into this image right here that I want to talk about. We talked about symbols. We talked about the eagle. We talked about the serpent. We talked about how those symbols can be inverted to their opposite meanings. We talked about the handbag and the pine cone. Now this is where I would think we're going to connect the whole thing. This is a depiction that I still haven't seen anywhere. I'll anyone really use it at all. And I don't know why. But it's to me, it's one of the most impressive monuments, murals that I've ever come across. When I was down in Chichen Itza, one of the most popular tour attractions in Mexico, so many people go there a year. It's a madhouse trying to see anything. Well, one of the trips that I went on, and I've talked about this in previous shows, but I think it's important to bring it up again. There's a little area set off the side of Cucucan's temple called the platform of the eagle and the jaguars. And almost nobody visits it. It's just sitting there. It's just little, it's like a stone block, like a sacrifice block with murals depicted all around it. When you look at what's depicted on those murals, it tells an incredible story. When I did research into all these cultures to try to understand how could a culture like the Maya or the Aztec, they were based on such pure knowledge and wisdom, had these astronomical temples aligned to different constellations and were studying the heavens and had balance. How could they become corrupt and start practicing blood sacrifice and turn into a complete, the opposite version of what they used to be? How could something like that happen? Well, murals like this give us those answers. What I found was that in groups like the Maya, there were many different gods. Some of those gods represented the forces of nature, but some of them didn't. Some of them were very specific gods. And in this case, the god of the Maya that I believe is referencing or is included in this is what's known as god El. And when you start looking into these different gods, you find that some of the gods that they worship were gods of the underworld. And gods of war and gods of death. Okay. And so when I started to find out, I looked into god El Mor, I quickly realized that it's the Sumerian equivalent of Nurgall, which who is the primary god of the underworld to be the negative counterpart to Enki. Yes, Enki was forced to rule the underworld as well, but as a positive influence. So Nurgall was his negative counterpart, because as above as so below, you have to have a positive and a negative everywhere. Underworld would be a same balance as above. You'd have to have a positive and a negative to balance the negative and the positive. It's always a mirror. So in this case, this god El figure Nurgall was being worshiped at a later time in the Maya writings, this later time period. And when I started to study this and look at these depictions, I said, Oh my God, here is the whole story right in front of us. Now let me break this all down for us. Notice we're going to go from the right to the left here. Over on the right, you see that figure right there with all kinds of serpents and snakes coming out of them. He's wearing like a headdress. That's Kukakon. Kukakon was the exact same individual as Quetzalcoatl was for the Aztec. So Kukakon was the wisdom bringer of the Maya and Quetzalcoatl was the wisdom bringer of the Aztec, but they were the exact same being. In fact, and they were a real being. They weren't just like the idea that knowledge somehow drifted through the eighth ether and they figured it out and that's the serpent. No, it was an actual individual that went there, a being or beings, and provided this knowledge and created all of civilization for them in the way they wanted, but something happened along the way. And that's what this is saying. Notice how each epic is separated by blocks. So the first block on the right is a time period, but then the block in the middle is another time period. And in this depiction, we find an eagle all of a sudden. Now for those who still on the fence about the eagle and the serpent, in, if you study the Aztec, they became a warring culture and what they called their warriors, the eagle warriors. That's what they were called when they were to fight in battles. When you find out indigenous cultures, when they were going to put on those great eagle feathers, those were war feathers to go to fight in battles or to show power. But that's what the eagle represented. The eagle represents power and domination. It is the opposite of balance over the natural world. It is the masculine domination energy over the individuals around us. It is a very, very destructive energy and the eagle here is not only just scaring all the serpents away and flapping them away behind him, if you look in the left, but he's eating something in his talents. And a lot of people have been wondering what that is in his talents. And you know what I've come to the conclusion that it is? It's the seed of knowledge. He's eating. It's like a pineal gland. Exactly. He's eating the pine cone, the seed of knowledge. And what happened? The cultures became corrupted and lost their connection when knowledge became warlike. Every single one of them, the Maya, the Aztec, and even the Inca in some ways, all corrupted systematically. And then what happened later? The Spanish empire, right, with the crest of the eagle, sent over Columbus and Pizarro and Cortez and systematically conquered each one of those cultures. And then what happened? The flag from Mexico today shows an eagle eating a serpent. It's all there. It's right in front of our eyes, staring at us, but we've been turned to all these deceptions and illusions because the Spanish rewrote the stories of these groups and made it seem like it's some fairy tale that isn't real, but there really isn't an alternate story. Just like the name America comes from Amaruca, not the Italian explorer. The whole story, a lot of this information, symbols, meanings, heroes, is backwards, completely inverted. And that's why you almost have to start over with a lot of this and try to understand it because there's been so much coercion with this information over time. But that's what happened to the Maya. And it's depicted on the platform, the eagle and the jaguars. They eventually became corrupted by an individual or individuals that taught them a different kind of knowledge, a knowledge on how to become warlike. And what happened when they became unbalanced and warlike? They collapsed. Cortez technically conquered the Aztec, but they were already going through significant troubles. And by then, by the time Cortez even came, the Maya were mostly gone. So they actually mostly caused their own downfall because of these influences. Now Rex, before I get into this one, do you have anything you want to add? Yes, I would like to add a few things. I feel like we're in the matrix because I just read a Gnostic text, which is a Coptic description of the divine and different orders of things. But one in specific was describing these different epochs or these different eons and these different timelines. And it described a time when the fire would consume everything, and then it would consume itself and purify itself and start over. But what I am seeing here kind of reminds me of the different epochs or the different eons, the different times. And one thing that does stand out, if you've read the book of the law by Alistair Crowley, and Alistair Crowley did this, like he did automatic writing. And in the book of the law, it starts off as, you know, it seems to be rather happy and kind of like this positive filling and vibration. But then towards the end, it describes the new eon and Crowley claimed to be the prophet of the new eon, the new age of Aquarius, right? And in the book of the law, towards the end, at the end or close to it, this new God arises, this very war-like God. And it even describes how the gods before him, like what he's doing to them in a very violent fashion. And it reminds me of the image that I'm looking at here, that you're showing the eagle and eating this pinecone, this knowledge, this seed of eternal creation. Think about it. I mean, it's the connection to source also. It's like the pinecone is your connection to source. Yeah, exactly. This is kind of spooking me out a little bit. It is. And you find every, that's a great point. I'm really glad you brought that up. That's exactly how I think it went. These different time periods opened up windows to when different energies were allowed. I don't think, and we're going to get into this a little bit later, but I don't think we really understand the true complexities of our reality. I think it's far different than we think. I think it's based on zodiacal time periods, which are 2,100 years each. And each one of those zodiacal time periods has a certain kind of energy that's allowed to rule. And this last 2,100 years has been allowed to rule through a very, very negative and deceptive and dark time. And just like Rex said, I think that these Ononaki individuals play different roles during certain time periods. And during that, this time period, the eagle, the influences of the eagle came in, and because they were allowed to, right, think about it. So where was Kukukon and Quetzalcoatl? He wasn't there. He was gone. They state he left. So here we have this window open, this time period changes, and then these different influences come in, and then they corrupt all the cultures and they all turn warlike. Just like today, really nothing has changed. We have a warlike world, even though we somewhat exist outside of that and we want to believe we don't. It's based on a conquering of resources and a conquering of people and based on a system of fear. It is the same system all wrapped around since this time period. So thank you for bringing that up, Rex. I know it's scary. It really is. But the whole point of this is we've had two epics of negativity and negative energy. Two, how can that be possible if you're supposed to balance and go back and forth each time? There were some tricks played and there was some a lot of evil that was allowed to do it. It's a complex story, but the whole point is my opinion was that the reason they were allowed to have two time periods be ruled with evil or negativity was because of what Aquarius is or what it's going to be. If something is going to be very, very positive, then you can be very, very negative to balance it ahead of time. And I think that's exactly what's going on. We are in the transition to a very new time period. And that's why there's so much attempt to take all this information and hide it and to cause people to not think it's real and have people live in fear and not be caring about this information. There's a lot of things going on trying to make that happen. So Rex, thank you for bringing that up. Now, let's add another piece to this, another avenue to consider with all this information, how wild it is. So the pine cone in the handbag represents the knowledge, right? Passing of knowledge, the totality of knowledge, carrying knowledge. Well, look at this. Remember how I showed Gobekli Tepe as one of the locations that shows the symbol of the handbag? Well, it has other really interesting symbols as well, but I want to give a little bit of background first before I discuss it. Gobekli Tepe is located in the Anatolia region of Turkey, and it's surrounded by megalithic ancient civilization stuff. So we know that all of that was in that region. But one of the most amazing things that I talk about quite extensively, but I think it's one of the best pieces of evidence in my mind, is when they've been doing excavations of Gobekli Tepe, and they're only a small little tiny piece done of excavating the entire site, it's massive. But when they were going down through the soil layers, and remember soil layers tell a story, they found this really amazing evidence. Not only were they able to date organically these structures to be over 11,000 years old, which is going to be it's completely almost basically double the age of when civilization was supposed to exist anyway. That whole debate is over. Okay. So nothing that we're being really told about the mainstream academia story really makes any sense anymore. There's so many holes that it's almost ridiculous to try to debate it. So I'm not going to bother really much more this conversation, but just understand that it goes on and on and on. But one of the major things is about not only is this the age of this spent organically tested through radiocarbon dating to be over 11,500 years old, but when they were going down through the soil layers, at the very the lowest level, they could find any kind of habitation in the region. They did find these hunter gatherer groups that had traveled through over, you know, as time went on. But right above them in this extremely small soil layer would have only represented a minuscule amount of time. You saw rapid development of agriculture, rapid development of knowledge, writing, building this structure itself, perfectly aligned to geomagnetic north south, aligned to constellations. It was an astronomical temple. And it was a temple that was very advanced. These T shaped pillars that in in gobeki tepi, they're more than two tons each, they're massive. Some of them are 20 tons each. So we're talking about some really colossal stones here. But what's the most important about even all besides what I just said, all that information is what's depicted on pillar 43. One single pillar in it contains extremely vital information for trying to understand this story a little bit better, right? So notice it has the handbags at the top. But it's the only place I've ever seen the world where there's more than one handbag depicted. There's three. There's three handbags depicted above there. So I would love to leave that for whoever might think or know what that means. My opinion maybe was that knowledge was handed down three different times. And perhaps that represented three different time periods when catastrophes occurred and they had to re lower it again, re lower that information, the knowledge. And that's what we find though is when we study ice core samples and geologic evidence all the world, all over the world is we have these cyclical time periods of when catastrophes seemed to happen on the earth. So it would make sense that it would represent three multiple time periods when they've had to bring down knowledge. But what's even more amazing about that is what's depicted right below those handbags. And I remember the ancients, everything that they depicted meant something. Nothing was a wasteful image. It was all very, very important to them. It was important that they passed that knowledge on. Now what you find is that instead of just thinking that these are Ice Age animals, which is what a lot of the early consensus was, is that they were just depicting Ice Age animals. They're actually constellations. And you really can see that when you compare them, when you look at something like you look at something like the scorpion or you look at the vulture, what you're really looking at is star constellations. You're looking at a place called Cygnus, Scorpius, with the ball that he has at the end of his wing. You're looking at a star. Now check this out Rex. This constellation Cygnus and Scorpius, Deneb, the star that's depicted is one of the brightest stars we know of in the entire universe. It's one of the brightest that we know of. It is massive. It's top three brightest stars in our entire Milky Way galaxy. It's very important. Okay. And not only that, but Cygnus, Scorpius, with Deneb at the top forms a cross in the cosmos, a crossing, but it gets even better than that. That crossing of stars, which also happens to have one of the brightest stars of all right above it. Think about that depiction, right? A cross with a star at the top happens to be found within one of the most extensive areas of the dark rift we know of in the entire Milky Way galaxy. Now the dark rift is a mystery still. We don't really fully know what that is, but if matter has a counter to it, then it would be anti-matter, dark matter, which means if you think, to me, I like to equate it as you think of the physical reality as above, right? In this physical reality, but there's an underworld below us. Perhaps dark matter plays the same role as the non-physical side of energy. Maybe it's just about the exact same system, but on a different level. So it's wild, Rex. Go ahead. I interrupt your comment there. No, that's fine. Thank you for finishing what you were discussing. And I'm looking at this, and I, you know, the stories talk about Nibiru and the crossing. And this is kind of a crossing. And instead of Nibiru being a planet, maybe it was like a solar flare or like a major pulse from a magnetar or a dying star or something. I don't know. But it's, it seems like there's significance to this. And maybe this is also showing us like the cataclysm that took place. This is where the cataclysm started, something from this area happened. And they're depicting, because look, it's being handed on also to something smaller. It's like a smaller bird, a smaller constellation that's being passed on from, from one generation to another. But what about the handbags, Rex? If there are handbags up there, would that, would that be three times saying that knowledge came from there? Well, it could also be, yeah. And it could also be saying that there's been three different cataclysms that have taken place. So this is the fourth time, the fourth time one. I would agree, because I mean, if you had a cataclysm, you would also need a handbag to show the knowledge would was re lowered again after. So it would have a little different, right? Like they look a little bit different, right? The handbags themselves to three. They're, they're, yeah, they're slightly different. Actually, the middle one actually looks bigger than the one to the left of it. There might be some significance to that also. That's right. Like we don't, this is, we're just on the cusp of understanding what this really meant. But I think, I don't think that there's any kind of coincidence. This, these depictions, they're all telling us a story. They're all telling us a story about what happened and what the influences were long ago. And doesn't that look like lightning almost on the top, like major plasma vent, right? So this major plasma vent, this major solar flare came from Cygnus. This huge event takes place, the crossing. And now they're showing us the timeline that during this crossing, then there's the new epoch. So there's been three crossings before they're on their fourth. And then now we're on our fifth. And we're getting ready to go into the sixth. I like where your mind's at there. That's quite possibly, that's great. That's really cool. I would I think that it's what people can take away from this is that each one of us should be, should be speculating on this stuff. We should dig into it, look into it, try to figure it out, put our heads together, try to understand these ancient seekers. Because I already know that those individuals with those pine cones on their staff, they already know this, but we have to, we have to catch up because this knowledge belongs to the people. We need to return the knowledge back to the people. And that's what I really hope that the purpose of a lot of this, these projects are and what Rex does tirelessly with his channel, we're trying to return the knowledge back to the people. Hello. Okay, so now let's put it all together. Let's have the conclusion of all of that to look at in a way where we can try to understand and say, okay, so how does this relate to the Anunnaki? Now, so I don't want to, I don't want to get anything on the way here. I just want to make sure everyone can see everything. So this is probably the most famous mural depicting the Anunnaki and King and we'll get into what it depicts, but of all of Mesopotamia, this came out of Iraq. And what you see on it, that cuneiform writing, I've already conferred, conferred with a lot of people and I know you can read online, but I'm not aware of anyone who's ever translated it ever mainstream academia. I have not been able to find one single translation for this anywhere, which is amazing because this is one of the most famous depictions that have, that has come out of Mesopotamia. Whatever is on this, I guarantee talks all about kingship and the lowering of all the stuff we're about to get into. But I just want to throw that out there because some people brought that up last time and I thought it was a good thing to mention. But what, so what do we have here? Well, this answers a lot of questions for us and also connects a lot with what we've been talking about. Now, constantly Rex gets the same thing and I get the same thing. What do the Anunnaki look like? What do they look like? Well, on the right and the left sides are the Anunnaki. Now they have wings depicted because that's how you show any kind of a being that's of a higher dimensional ascended being. They have wings. Okay, but I'm going to, I'm going to skip back really quick Rex because I want to show a picture that relates to this while I'm discussing it. Notice right here on the left and the top right. Now instead compared to the, to the upper, upper middle, this is a point of confusion for a lot of people. Remember I talked about how some symbols mean real things and then some are just symbolic. Now notice how that individual on the left there passing the pine cone, that's Nernerta. That's the son of Enlil, one of his sons. Okay. He was known as, later known as Apollo to the Greeks, the God of war. Okay. Now the God of war is, notice how he's passing the pine cone. But what is his head? His mentality, which is what that always is. Anything representing headed, serpent headed, whatever it is, it's just headed. It represents their mentality. He's a war god. So what is he doing? Notice he's got two knives stashed right in. And that's what I want to get people to understand. Every single thing that's depicted here means something, everything, every curl, everything. He's a war god and he's passing the knowledge of war. And when you start studying Nernerta, it seems like he was the great drive behind the Roman Empire, one of the greatest empires in history. And notice how it's another depiction of him also in the upper right passing that, the knowledge of war, creating conquering war armies. Because if you had a kingdom based on balance and spirituality and you were all out there meditating on, you know, in these big group circles and stuff, what would happen if some conquering army came charging in? They would just kill you, kill everyone. They would kill everyone, plunder everything, and then just conquer the region. That's exactly what happened to many cultures around the world. They got, they became so advanced that they put away their use of need of a lot of weapons and they knowledge became the basis of their entire society. But unfortunately, there's a lot of bad groups around the world who simply use that as an advantage and they came and conquered them. Which is to me really not fair on a high level. But it happened anyway. And so I wanted that mentality first to go into this. So the Ononaki don't have eagle heads. They don't have serpent heads. That's their mentality. But when they're shown in their physical form, this is what they look like. It's no coincidence that the Mesopotamian kings and sages looked exactly like them. And we'll get into the why that is. But so the first thing I mentioned, anytime you see wings, it's one of these ascended beings, ascended higher dimensional beings that came here, not human. However, we are created in their image, which is why we look just like them. That's essentially how it works. They came around here and messed with us, created their version of things here, created us, and then we were bounced around between two sides, one side of knowledge and becoming a certain ascended being of spiritual energy and then the other side becoming a conquering being that destroys the earth. And that's the two sides that have been fought overall throughout history. But specifically in this depiction, let me explain it. The two sides, the left and right with the two individuals in the middle represents again, that perfect balance, right? Remember what I said? The Anunnaki, a balance of polarity, positive and negative. And in this case, there's two individuals in the center to balance each other as well. Now one is a king and one is a priest or a sage. That's the more you look at how they're depicted and what they're wearing. You'll see that each one is being influenced by someone else. So one is influencing them to be a kingdom, maybe a powerful kingdom that does have strength through war, but also strength through other things. And then the other one is teaching the knowledge of ascension through energy, spirituality, the mystical knowledge. That's what this depiction is. Both sides being handed down, but not just on war. It's simply showing you one's a king in the center and one's a priest or sage. Now the sages were originally the term used before priests were used later on, but a sage is basically a very similar individual or priest, one who has all the knowledge that provides wisdom to others and teachings. So, but notice like what we were getting into. Let's get into to connect with all the stuff we just talked about. Starting with the pine cone. Notice how each one of the Anunnaki have a pine cone and they're passing the knowledge not just randomly at the kings, but at the back of their brain at their pineal gland. Okay, not only that, but they each have handbags. So each of the Anunnaki, the holders of knowledge have all the knowledge and they're passing the knowledge to each one of these individuals, which isn't really each one. It's just supposed to be symbolic representation of balance, right? Two and two. So, but notice very importantly, neither of the kings or priests have pine cones and neither of them have handbags. You see that Rex? They are not the ones that have all that knowledge that are passing it. They're passing the way. You see that? They are showing the way. And in the center, you have the tree of life with a Zoroastrian symbol and at the upper part that they're worshiping. All of balance and creation here. Okay, they're worshiping it and they're showing their pain, their homage to it with the knowledge of the kings and the priests that they're being influenced by. So, really what you cut, what you have here and you can, and then jump in Rex, this is basically the Anunnaki creating civilization, creating everything, passing the knowledge down to bloodline kings, Nephilim kings with bloodlines to right back to the Anunnaki themselves. That's why they're the same height as the Anunnaki, the ancient giants that like the sons of Anak that are depicted in the book of Deuteronomy or book of Numbers talking about the conquering of all those giants like King Og and all those. Those were all just ancient Anunnaki bloodlines that were not supposed to exist. That was the whole point of that deluge in the first place was to wipe out those genetics of these kings that could live for thousands of years and had the genetics of the Anunnaki because really these kings and priests depicted here, they're gone now. There are none of those left. There are some bloodline connections left with some royal families but none of those Nephilim individuals are left now and so they were wiped out but this is showing you a depiction from the past on how kingship was lowered from the Anunnaki to these kings and priests of bloodline descent to rule over all of civilization. They are the ones to basically be at the hierarchy, this hierarchical system of control designed here for control over everyone. Go ahead Rex. Well, first of all, I got to say wow, wow, wow, wow, amazing and I love your attention to detail here because if your first observation, you don't notice that they're not all holding the the Anunnaki lunch box. You don't all, you know, you don't notice that they're not holding the pineal gland behind the head and so to some they'll look at this and they'll say see they came from a giant UFO because they're pointing at this flying. The wing killer disc. Yeah. Now I look at this as a dimensional situation where they came from a higher dimension and the pineal gland is their connection to like this body is a vessel to these beans and the pineal gland is their way to connect. It's like a drone that we got now and you put on a VR headset, although this is, you know, instead of virtual reality, it's real reality, you know, seen through the eyes of what their create of their creation, feeling and experiencing what their creation is through them like an overlapping and so then you've got the tree of life in the center and above you've got this beautiful Zoroastrian symbol of a winged bean with somebody in the center of it. Yeah. And that to me is like, this is the hero's journey, dude. This is it. So we're experiencing the hero's journey and then we're transcending and we're ascending through this tree of life that we're connecting to with the polarity here and then the highest level is in this, you know, higher vibration, this light beam where we can be where we want when we want, how we want to be it and we can condense ourselves. But this this language that's here definitely needs to be translated. I would say that is a great idea. Somebody out there translate this. Please change the world here. Fascinating. We're the drones of the Anunnaki. Yeah, I really do think that we are the creators of reality here. And we're simply being puppeteered towards certain versions of reality where like just like you said, the pineal gland may be where that antenna is for activating us, right? All of a sudden you get activated. Where did I get all that knowledge from? This activation occurs and your whole life changes. All of a sudden you see everything in a completely different way. I would venture to guess, Rex, I'm going to be bold here that 90% of all of society, everyone on earth has their pineal gland calcified, 90% at least. And that's one of the reasons why so much of this remains such a mystery. And most people just don't care. They're not connected to their higher self. They're existing almost like a zombie that doesn't have their true connection to self, true connection to source in the pineal gland and reaching higher states of energy is the way. It is the way towards reaching higher states. And the Anunnaki seem like they're the gatekeepers of everything, the gatekeepers of incarnation. Who's allowed to leave and who can't? Think about it, right, Rex? In ancient Egypt, Osiris showing weighing someone's heart against the feather to see how much they have still in their heart. Actions they've done, they haven't remediated. Bad things that still remain. That's the measure. It's measured on whether we can leave or not. Whether or not we're a pure soul of energy that's reached a certain point where it can leave the system or it's going to stay here and just be stuck in this endless loop here. And they are the gatekeepers of all knowledge, all decisions. It seems like the more and more I look and we're going to get into that. We have a couple more slides actually. The more and more I look, the more it seems like they control. I underestimate the significance of them. I guess I'll put it that way. It seems like Rex that they are the all. They are the ones who created the civilizations. They're the ones who corrupted some in some cases those civilizations because they're all fighting. They're all fighting over what this future should be here because some of them never thought we should have been created in the first place. There's a war in heaven over what we're going to become. And some of them, like in the Nagamai scriptures, my favorite area in there, the secret book of John, talks all about this Yaldiboth character who simply hates the perfection of mankind. Hates it. He tells himself a jealous God and what he states in that was that because of that they would throw these beings, us, into the lowest form of all of matter as a punishment to keep us in the lowest possible state so that we'll never get out of it like stuck in an endless trap here. And I find that to be fascinating when I compare and think about all the the battling back and forth for the eagle and the serpent, one civilization rising up to reach perfection and balance with the stars and then later on becoming corrupted and disappearing. I don't think that this is just a random thing here. I think it's always based on influences and it still is today. And it really is that it's like we're a colony of creator beings here that have parents that were being watched and influenced all throughout history. And the fact that it's such a big picture to comprehend is what often causes people to reject it. But it's mind blowing to me, Rex. And I want to move to the last slide here. And we could just discuss this for a second. But this is a great quote that I think helps to explain and back up my statements I just made a few minutes ago. And I want to read this. This comes from the legend of Atana. Now, Atana was a great king who's also mentioned in other stories as well like the epic of Gilgamesh as being a truly great king who was the first king to rule after the great deluge occurred and everything was wiped out. So then like remember the handbag thing, Rex, pillar 43. Everything's wiped out. They have to come down and re-lower kingship and create everything again. And so what do they do? They pick a certain bloodline individual named Atana who had survived and he becomes the shepherd, the architect. He becomes the designer of everything. So they say to him, and I'm going to read this and break it down because it's one of my favorite passages from any Q and form tablet that's ever been written. And I've read many that have been out there. It says, they planned a city. The gods laid its foundations. They planned the city of Kish. The Ajiji founded its brickwork. Let him be their people shepherd. Let Atana be their architect. The great Anunnaki gods or deniers of destinies sat taking their council concerning the land. The creator of the four world regions, establishers of all physical form. There's a lot in there to break down. I want to just quickly go through some of it because I don't know how much time we have left. But the very beginning here, it says they planned a city. So imagine if you have a cataclysm go through massive waves and earthquake activity and floods of debris and everything is covered in layers and layers of sediment and everything's gone. You have to start over again. First thing you do is decide on a place to create a civilization. And then look at it says it's not that they had the people go build it. The gods laid its foundations. The gods planned it. So the Anunnaki planned where they wanted the city to be, this first city. And then notice what it says. They planned the city of Kish. And the Ajiji founded its brickwork. Now, for those who don't know what the Ajiji are, they're mentioned in the Andrahasis as being a non-royal version of the Anunnaki. Very similar to the Anunnaki. In fact, what it states in the Anuma Elish and the Andrahasis is when they created mankind, they sacrificed one of the Ajiji gods known as Kingu. They killed him. They said they sacrificed his intelligence and his blood to create mankind. So the Ajiji, one of these great Ajiji beings is what we became. And the Ajiji are simply just think of them as the Anunnaki, but not the royal council of them. And it says that the Ajiji were the ones who laid the brickwork. So they were here building this ancient city of Kish after the destruction came through and destroyed everything. And I believe the Ajiji are the same individuals in the Book of Enoch that are mentioned as watchers. I think they're the same ones. And that's what I find that very interesting. Now, they go down below. It says, let him be the people's shepherd. Let Atana be their architect. Just like that kingship hierarchy, Atana is the one to rule over all of them. His way, just like I showed this, Atana would be like the king here, the exact same thing. He is chosen to rule. Okay. Now, notice underneath what it says, the great Anunnaki gods, ordainers of destinies. What's the destiny? Someone's entire timeline future or possibilities or what they should become. How could the Anunnaki know about it, but not only know about it to ordain someone's destiny? To me, the only thing that makes sense there, and I go where the evidence goes, they're somehow in control of seeing timelines. There's no other way that that could be possible. And you see that actually in the Epic of Gilgamesh, he has this whole conversation with them where they say that you're special and you've basically been chosen as a hero. See, Rex, they use the same term every time for these special individuals mentioned like Atrahasis or Gilgamesh or Atana. They're the heroes. They're great heroes, because in their destiny, supposedly they have greatness. So it's interesting that we think about destiny as being a random thing, but for them, they see it as being something that they ordain. Dude, matrix. Yeah, literally, the podcast that I did just before this one, I did it myself on the secret of our great power, the great discourse of our power in the Nagamani scriptures. And at the very end, I was describing the hero's journey. Yeah, that's what I've been talking about for the past week, the hero's journey. And you didn't know that. Yeah, you had no idea. Synchronicity. Yeah. Enki, where are you? Look who's behind me, dude. I got Enki behind me here. Yesterday, I had Thoth up there. I had Thoth up there, Lord Thoth. So wow, man, this is incredible. Yeah, I think that's exactly how this goes, is that they look for heroes, and that means individuals have a future that has very significant potential. Now, that hero may not necessarily always be a good person, though. Now, I know there's the hero's journey that we're taking, but in this case, they may find individuals to use them for certain reasons. Now, in many cases, I think the hero is someone good in this, but there's also individuals that are chosen that may be someone that they want to do bad things. But in most cases, it seems like these ordainers of destinies are for good purposes. Some hero who's going to guide the people to a promised land, someone who's going to guide them to knowledge, someone who's going to guide them. That's really what this comes down to. But the most important thing about this is what it says at the very end. I've never heard anyone ever talk about this. I don't know why. I don't want, I don't know why people seem to not care, but I feel like of all the text, the Mesopotamian cuneiform tablets contain my favorite, the greatest secrets in terms of what they say. They state, and this is why I keep saying every time I try to measure the Anunnaki and what their role is, I feel like I always underestimate it. The Anunnaki, the great Anunnaki gods, not the Gigi, the great Anunnaki, the ordainers of destinies, the creators of the four world regions. What does that mean? I used to think it possibly means the major regions of the world like North America, blah, blah, blah, but it might mean the cardinal points, the points of polarity with North, South, East, and West. That may be what this means. They created that balance of of what we consider Northeast, Southwest, and that has huge ramifications for things too. Think about that. But what it says after is my favorite of all. Establishers of all physical form, all. So do the Anunnaki just create us? Or did they create everything here? More importantly though, I don't think that anything to do with Gaia and this pure place that existed, but what if, and Rex and I were talking about this off air and I want Rex to chime in, what if they created a different version of reality here though? And that's what that means. They're the ones who created a different version based on what they wanted and were existing in their version of reality, sort of like when Neo finally gets to the very top and he meets the architect. Remember what the architect tells him, Rex? He's been there several times before. No, yes, but he says, and there are, how many versions have there been before that? Remember? He says, this is like the fourth version or something. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But that means that maybe this is the same case. Maybe there have been multiple versions of reality created here and we're existing in the one that's here now. I mean, I don't fully know how to grasp that, but let's just imagine for a minute, you created, what happens if, for instance, if you were to put some kind of an artificial construct in the atmosphere of a planet and change its cinematic rhythm, changes harmony, changes vibration, what would happen to the life on that planet? And Rex and I were, because Rex and I were talking about how there, and this isn't in the Wu Ha land or whatever you want to call it, but there have really been studies done where they've shot rockets and such in the moon and studied it and found that the moon may actually be hollow. Not only that, but we don't know another star system anywhere in the Milky Way with a moon that has a ratio as large as our moon to our planet. We've never seen it. We don't even know if it exists. More importantly, if it doesn't exist in those ratios, then that does that mean that the moon is some kind of an artificial construct used to create a different version of reality? I'm just somewhat speculating here because I know people like when I do that sometimes, but I don't think that we should hold, put any of this off the table. We maybe things in our reality and how, where things have come from and how old they are and the influences behind them. I just think that it's much more complicated than a lot of us understand and we are simply being puppeteered by forces far beyond our comprehension. Fascinating. I think it was six times, but I could be wrong also. Thank you. I got to watch it again. It's been a little while. It's been a while and still that was the most complicated scene out of all three. I'm still kind of like, I got to go back and watch that six times just to get that one understanding because it's very complicated, but here's what's fascinating. So you take the divine spark and you find a way to harness that and you find a way to feed off of it and then if the moon itself has some way to change the vibratory, the vibratorial state of your soul, you've heard about the soul matrix in the moon and yeah, I mean it's definitely hollow. It's like this weird titanium alloy. It's just the positioning and such, but if that creates this overlapping in a vibratory state and then people start to wake up. So you've got these people put in place to keep us in this construct. It's like overlapping something like the natural 7.83 is supposed to be the human resonance. So you don't want to be around stuff at 7 hertz because you'll start to resonate with that and that can destroy you. So you overlap it with something and then combined with these continual symbols and strategic positions of creating karma to keep you in the system, it's like this perpetual battery system. I love it. That was extremely well said. I agree. I really do. I think that that may be what happened here and maybe the incarnation cycles were what they took over. That may have been what they, because think about it. The legend of Atana goes on to describe the eagle and the serpent. It's the earliest depiction ever written that's ever been found and it's in back in Mesopotamia. This struggle with the eagle and the serpent and you find out that Anki was forced to go rule in the underworld. In fact, there's another whole set. The Audra Hasis talks about how he states and I'm paraphrasing Anki where you went, you were to undo the chain and set us free, but you, but instead you provided wisdom, the balance and blah, blah, blah. But he talks about how Anki and little, they all, the Anunnaki convinced or whatever you want to say it convinced, I guess convinced is the best word Anki to rule in the underworld instead. Why? Why would a being need to rule in the underworld? Because that's where incarnation is. That's what, that's where I've come to the conclusion of this. Anki is in charge of the incarnation cycles on this planet and he, but he's bound to certain restrictions and rules. And so, but it's to get around that. I think some of these beings try to help like those on the hero's journey along because there's, there's the interest of some for us to wake up and be more advanced and others to keep us asleep and dumb down. And it's just struggle back and forth to destroy this matrix system here so that the humans can finally, you know, all of a sudden realize that we're so much more important than we've been made to believe and that we're co-creating, we're creator gods here and that we have a, you know, our purpose is so much greater than just some dead end 40 hour job and then dying, you know, overweight on a couch somewhere. There's a lot more to our life than that. And that's what I like to instill into people. Wow. This is powerful. Very powerful. Now, you can get, you've got two books now, best sellers on Amazon. And when's your third coming out? Yeah. So right now, I'm deep in the middle of writing my third book, co-writing with Billy Carson. I am, I'm on my last chapter right now. And I'm, but I'm, I still have a good amount left on it and Billy's in the middle of writing as well. But as soon as we know more details of when that's going to be released, I'll let you know, but that actually contains more ancient translations than even the stage of time. It's enormous amount, everything from Gnostic and ancient cuneiform and pyramid text. And it's just got a huge amount of text in there to preserve the most important, what I've considered the most important texts of every culture in the world, preserve them all in one place, but not only the most important texts, the most important pieces of them, because a lot of these tablets are extremely long and it's difficult to try to wade your way through them. So I want to take the, what I consider the most important parts that, that all connect and have influences on us to put together in one place so we don't lose these ancient texts so that we can move forward into the future without this darkness in this cloud of illusion and truly understand who we are and where we're going and not be afraid of all the things that are bombarding us all the time. Right on, man. Let me show off your YouTube channel real quick. Sure. You want me to stop sharing? Sure. I got it. So, boom. Thank you, Rick. I appreciate it. Subscribe now. See, notice how I need to read that bill. So all notifications, over 56,000 various dude subscribers, continuing to grow. You've been getting some great views, great podcasts, always amazing speaking with you. Let's do this again sooner than later. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you sitting down and having this conversation with you. I hope others got something out of it. And I also appreciate your comments. Really, really, I like the way your, your mind thinks in terms of this information. Thank you. I paid him $5 to say that, ladies and gentlemen. Check's in the mail, bro. Let's do this again, once again, and keep you being the change you want to see, will you? Great, Rick. Sounds great. I love to, right on. Thanks, everybody. Be exit to each other.