 All right, and recording, test, test, test. Good evening, Manhattan, New York City, the world, the universe, America, and beyond. Tonight we have a special gift and a special interview. Round two, that's right on the Kirk Spiritual TV show with Lisa Larson, and she's an animal communicator. She has clients around the world. If you wanna see that interview, you go on right over to YouTube and type in Kirk is a shaman, and Lisa Larson, animal communicator. Who is Lisa Larson? She's got a website at POSTOCnet. If you wanna talk to any of your animals, living or passed on over that rainbow bridge. And I asked Lisa back, our last interview was about six, eight months ago or something. Right, Lisa? Yeah, seems like, it's kind of time flies, doesn't it? Yeah, it goes fast. During the interview, when we were talking last time, Lisa said she started out reading the tarot before the universe guided her into her real occupation, which is to help humans and animals, right? Yep. And I was just, it stuck in my mind, and I was like, you know, I wrote Lisa an email, and I said, we gotta get you back. We gotta get you back to talk about the tarot and mediumship. Oh, let's just take a little yoga breath and relax into the energy, and ask that divine spirit and God and goddess and all the animal helpers on the other side and around and everywhere, just be present here and give us some kind of love and light. And we'll step into the sacred circle with Lisa Larson about the tarot and mediumship, boom. Okay, so, where do you want to start? What's a good starting point? The tarot, tarot reading, which came first? Mediumship or the tarot for you? Oh, for sure, tarot. I've been doing tarot since I was about 16. I, we had a little vacation house and I remember one of my dad's friends brought his daughter down, and she did a reading for me when I was 16 years old and I just thought, oh man, this is the greatest thing. So I came home and I bought myself a deck of cards and it took me, you know, it was interesting. It took me about five years to really start reading them because I would play around and I would go and I would, every time I'd throw something, I would pick up a book and I would go looking for the interpretation. But when you do that, when you're looking, when you're trying to look, you can't learn that way. You know, so I took a class and it wasn't until I took a class about five years in that I started realizing you have to, yes, you have to understand the basics of the card, but you have to not rely on those things. You have to not rely on a book or somebody else's interpretation. You need to understand the basic, you know, the suits and stuff like that, but then it's what you do with it. It's what you interpret from those cards for each reading and I love the tarot because it really gets you into symbolism which when I teach mediumship, when I teach animal communication, I always suggest learn to read the tarot because it gets you into a space of thinking symbolically and I'm also a shaman. You know, I'm in an ordained alakai which is in the Huna tradition. Huna is a Hawaiian philosophy and again, very symbolic and dream work and stuff like that. So I just feel like if you have a basis in tarot, it allows you to expand in so many other of these areas. Okay, so tarot is a good liftoff, right? Because it kind of eases you in. You've got, man, you've got Jewish, Christian, alchemical, you've got astrology, zodiac, mysticism, numerology, I mean, I do say this because, you know, the tarot really is the one esoteric system that really contains all the other esoteric systems. It really does, yeah. I mean, and that's a nice thing about it. I mean, you can take any of those other systems and you can learn the tarot through those systems and it might be, you know, you might read it a different way than somebody else that reads it through a different system but it's still all going to apply, you know? I mean, I know just a little bit about astrology. I happen to use numerology in tarot a lot but I don't use astrology as much as other people. I don't use Kabbalah as much as other people do but, you know, it kind of over-different areas of the tarot and allow you to, you know, read it through a different path, you know? All right, yes. Okay, so we've got some Freudian in there and we've got some Jungian archetypes and we've got a lower arcana, a higher arcana and to me, you know, the higher arcana is basically everybody's life is the same story, right? I mean, we're on the journey of the fool, the journey of the hero. So we all have our life lessons. I look at it and have our life lessons and we all go through, yeah, we all kind of go through life lessons that the major arcana. Okay, and there's kind of like higher, arcana means hidden knowledge, esoteric knowledge. It's on a higher level, you know, there's something changing in their life on a higher level than just their job or just, you know, just their relationship or just their job. It's their spiritual way. If they choose to, of course, we all have free will. All right, so we learn one lesson as a course-based idea that it gets streamlined, then we learn it again, then we learn it again, then we get a higher and higher. Right, tell you? Yeah. Okay. And then we can. Right, so we go up to, that's okay. We go up to a complete streamlining, refinement, high vibration on that lesson. We get up to a purification. We get up to the world. Then we start with the innocence and we round out with, we're innocent but we have the accrued wisdom. Uh-huh. Is that about? Yeah. Think it's about right? Yeah. Okay, so I first, you know, want to also lay a foundation for anybody that hasn't seen the other interview for you. Shucks. You studied something like that a genius studies that nobody studied, right? What was that? Before and then, you're also a musical genius too. Oh, one analogy, which is now Musicians Institute of Technology. It's one of the most prestigious music schools in the country. You pick an instrument and you go and you study that, nothing more. But what I loved so much about it, and I don't remember talking about this last time, but what I loved so much about it was that the teachers there were incredibly spiritual. You weren't just learning, I wasn't just learning guitar, I was learning my spiritual lessons as we went along because my teachers have told me in that school, even though I can no longer play, I got injured so I can't play anymore. But from those teachers have, you know, I got as much spiritually from that, from that experience as I did musically. Right, so they kind of unveiled some things. They were your first shamans and witches and elders, right? That's kind of what I'm seeing for you. Okay, and so then you study, you go and you meet some of the gods and goddesses, they teach you things, they open you up, you find the tarot, but then what happens? You go to school, was it linguistics? Was it neuroscience? What did you do next? So after a real life-changing thing, I worked in a hospital for a long time. If I decided that I wanted to go back to school, I really didn't know, you know, because after I lost music, I was kind of out there, I didn't know what I wanted to do. But after I decided I wanted to go back to school, back in school, I happened to get a job reading the tarot. It's not like the psychic lines now. You know, the psychic lines now, people do it from their house, they route the things to your home. And I tried that, I didn't like it at all. This was some place where you actually went and you got paid an hourly wage, so it wasn't a commission-type-based thing. And they don't have those anymore, unfortunately, because I thought they were a lot more legitimate than what they have now. And so I, which, you know, anytime you start doing, over again, you start really, really getting much, so much better at it. But then I went back to school. You know, I wanted to go back and go for a long time. And waking up, I was getting back into reading, I didn't even know that, I didn't even know what Reiki was, because I'm a Reiki master as well. And while I've studied this all of my life, coming at, bringing at full thing I wanted to do with music, people feel like I felt when I used to listen to really, really good music. Because you know how like when you hear that one piece of music and it just... Oh no, wait, we're hanging on a second. We just shucks. I forgot to, let me go back to, you still there? Okay, let me see if I can figure out how to do this. Oh God, it's a tech problem right in the middle. Oh, wait a minute, okay, phone. Oh wait, here, push this, there we go, okay. I got a pesky text. Okay, let me just straighten you out again. There we go. I gotta tell my people, don't text me. Okay, we're good. Cause the text flashed up on the screen, thank God it wasn't anything, okay. You know, this is my first cell phone. I just got it like, I don't know, two months ago. Oh wow, iPhone? Yeah, yeah, my family sent it to me. You'll love it. Yeah, yeah, no, it's making my thing. Okay, so wait a minute. Let's go back to, first of all, I wanna touch on you as a medium, as a musician before you ever put it together, right? Because let's kinda toss that out. You know what, before I was doing this TV show, I performed on stage, spoken word, poetry, poetry slams. And you know, the process of writing and getting ready, I was reading to row cards, but you know, it's like this influx of several streams. And I realized when I was on stage and I would go and the lights would hit my eyes and I would grab that mic. You know, that is a form of mediumship as well. Yeah, I mean, when I used to play music, when you hear a piece of music, that you just went, oh, God, that's so good. It touches you right down here, you know? And I always, people get into music just because they want fame or whatever. I wanted to do it because I wanted to make people feel like that. And you know, you get up on stage and there's nothing, you know, there's nothing like being on stage and hearing that applause. And when I lost my music, when I lost being able to play music, it was, you know, clearly crushing for me. But coming full circle and realizing that I was supposed to be a medium and realize that I was supposed to be an animal communicator and putting all of these things together, it's like I always kind of jokingly, but not so jokingly say that, you know, when I finish a session, I'm hearing one pair of paws at a time or one pair of hands at a time, you know? I mean, because it doesn't, for me, it now, it doesn't have to be a whole room full of people. It's still healing. I'm still, you know, clearly having lost my music was the universe's way of saying, wait a second, it may have taken you a while to figure this out, but really you're supposed to be doing it this way. You're supposed to be healing and helping and assisting people in this way on a more spiritual level. I mean, because, you know, music can get you so far, different direction that I never thought. You know, where is that music? You know, obviously, you know, it was all about sound, but when I started doing this, I realized, you know, when I think back about music, some of the most important things in music are the silences in between, and now everything that I do is in complete silence, and it's really an interesting yin and yang thing to look at of how, you know, it's all about assisting, it's all about doing what the universe is for you, and, you know, hearing that voice in my head, you know, you're supposed to be doing this. It's like, okay, and I even at one point had a reading with John Edward and heard in my head, you're supposed to be a medium, and he said, oh, so you were kind of anointed by the mafia, you know, he kind of like, this is the way that it's supposed to be, and, but you know, I mean, with my animal communication, I was sitting there going, well, why am I, why am I on communication if I'm supposed to be doing that, and I realized with my mediumship that I want to do everything well, that's my goal, you know, and just when an animal mediumship, if you'll allow me just a moment more, I had one client that I was doing, I believe I was talking to an animal in spirit, she knew that I could talk to an animal and for a reason, you know. Right, right. She didn't just go to a medium, she didn't just mediumship, she went to a person who was also a medium who popped over and said, okay, I'm gonna stop this now and I'm gonna go over, because obviously she needs to hear from her parents, and she wrote me an email the next day, just gushing, saying, you know, I just, you know, of course, she was all crying and everything while I was doing it, I kind of joke and say I'm in the only profession that if I make people cry, I'm doing my job well, you know, I'm thankful to hear from my parent was possible, and so. Yeah, a couple of things. First of all, I mean, it's, you know, I always implicitly knew since I was a kid, if the universe brings you somebody, you're supposed to step aside almost, right? I mean, whatever they need. Mine has been, I don't know if it's a gift, but I, you know, this is my best, best handicapping, I guess, for past lives, my best pitch for past lives that they exist, is that people came to me and told me stuff all the time, and I didn't bat an eye. I mean, adults without judgment, and you know, I just allowed them to somehow atone and cleanse themselves, and you know, how does a 10-year-old, 15-year-old, you know, know how to do that? Like just become that projection board and absolve them, that's the word I'm looking for. Well, and don't you find pillars, and you know, many people in this profession or many people that are in the profession for the right reasons, because there are some people that are in the profession for the wrong reasons, but many people that are in this profession for the right reasons, they're the type of people that people just naturally open up to, you know? I mean, I remember long ago when you had to make plane reservations by calling someone on the internet, I mean, I was calling and making plane reservations, and you know, all I was doing was, you know, flying a two-hour flight, and an hour and a half later, I knew about this woman's divorce, her child that she had lost, everything about her life, you know what I mean? It's like, I think people instinctively, and there's a trust factor that if they don't know energetic connection that we're safe to talk to. Right, there is, you know, a sacredness. They're just an automatic implied trust. I don't know how that happens, because I don't really consider my, I don't look in the mirror and go like, Kirk, you're such a trustworthy person, but you know, I really do not, that's not the first adjectives that come to my mind, but you know, when it goes down and somebody, like all of a sudden that heart chakra opens up and you know they need to release this stuff, I don't even know how I know how to do it half the time. Because it's the path, you know, it's the path that you're supposed to be taking. And you know, and that's what I like so much going back to the churro, that's what I like so much about the churro, is that it gives you this like physical thing that you can kind of have a relationship with, you know? It allows you to have a relationship with the cards, with each of the individual cards, with the deck, things that you can take, like I remember when I was first learning to read, every single night, I would just, you know, throw a three, three or four quart card spread, or just a one card, you know, what do I need? And it's this idea of having a relationship, and you're not only having a relationship with the cards, it's teaching you to have a relationship with the process. It's teaching you to have a relationship with the metaphysical concepts and ideas. Okay, real quick. Anybody that doesn't know what the churro is, you hate it, you love it, you have your own personal guru, psychic, shaman, medium. Basically, it's broken up into elements or suits, and you've got water, which represents emotions and femininity to a general degree. Then we've got pentacles, which are earth, and more earth identified. Okay, here we go. And masculine types of things. Then we've got wands, which are sexuality, creativity, and fire. So, there we go. Okay, there's the knight or prince, some say, of wands. And then we have what else? Air, which is the quality symbolized by swords. That's the ace of swords in the background. Yeah, there you go. And that represents the intellect, it represents ideas, an idea whose time has come, it represents brain power, and it represents the element of air. So, when you see the magician or the mage, maybe in the Crowley deck, he's got all of the elements on his table. There you go, okay. Pull it back just a little bit first, Lisa. There we go, okay. Yep, you see there he's got the cups, the pentacles, he's got the swords and the baton. So, and he's surrounded by innocence in the beginning with the white flowers. I can't remember. And, you know, it's a sunny day. He or she, you know, it really is kind of a unisex magician, I guess, and also got the symbol of infinity. And, you know, the way the arms are pointed is connection to heaven and earth. You're always, you know, you don't always, when people call me and they're like, I wanna talk to my relatives. I'm like, talk to them, they can hear you, you know. I say, you don't need me, but I don't really do that type of past relatives type of thing. When people contact me for that and say I wanna do that specifically, I say, you know, there's other people that do that better than me. I don't, my gift is not the hottest or the warmest. A lot of times a relative will come through in a specific tarot reading, or just a mediumship general healing art session. But if they come through, then I'll do it. But I never tell the client, I don't, on my website, I don't say, I'm gonna connect you to your relatives because that's what, that's not my main source feed. You know, so, you know, I think it takes a while to streamline and understand the gift, learn how the gift works for you, and then learn what is the most germane to you as a healer. You know, a lot of times people will hire me for a tarot reading, I throw three cards, and then it goes into a shamanic thing. And you know, I didn't really even give them a proper reading. It's a jumping off point. Right, right, you know, I did have a client and she was like, at the end of it, I was like, you just got a $500 shamanic healing and she was like, I wanted a tarot reading. And I was like, okay, you know, I don't know, you gotta play the part, you gotta, you know, they need props, a lot of times people need the prop. You know, give me your hand, I'll look at it. Here's the card, I think those are very helpful. You know, but sometimes it just, their hire self tells you that they need something more than what they think they want. You know what I'm saying? Like you think you know what the session is gonna be like. You know, a lot of times like a client will contact me, I get the entire reading, reading one email from them. I know, I know. And then other times I don't get anything that I get in front of them, cam to cam. I barely get anything. And then a week later, I get the entire reading. Has that happened to you? So now I just tell clients, it's kind of like, why am I paying you $300 an hour? Well, there's kind of like three weeks in it. Like that's another thing. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it's not just, you know, that reading starts when I get that email and they make a donation, which is really saying I wanna be read. You know what I mean? I'm allowing you. That's very important is the idea of being open to the process. And, you know, maybe this is a good time to, you know, tell people for those who really don't know about Tarot or any of these things. It's, you know, let me step back for a second. Quarant, what we call the sitter or the quarent is the person that we're reading for. All of them don't understand how big of a role they play in getting a good reading. Mediumship reading, I always make sure to tell people, well, don't, you know, don't ask your relatives ahead of time. Well, you know, tell me, you know, what you said on your deathbed and then I'll know that it's really you. Or tell, you know, bring up this particular thing because then I know it's really you. Because when they do that, what it ends up doing that you were, that's reading you and it's closing off the energy. So the worst reading. So here's an example in terms of an animal reading that I was doing one time. I had a husband and wife came over and they had lost their cat. And for the first five or 10 minutes, I was just getting no, nothing, she was saying, nothing was hitting, realized, you know, and this is different after, you know, experience leads you to understand that this might be happening. I asked her, is there something specific you're waiting for? And she said, well, yes, I want to know, I think it was, you know, how he died or something like that. I don't remember exactly. And I said, okay, here's the deal. You need to let me do my job. You know, you need to let go saying this, her husband was going, yes, yes, yes, yes, because she was feeling guilty, which already guilt is a very constricting energy, which again shuts down the reading. So fortunately, she was very, very good at it. You know, the minute I told her that she let it all go, I said, you know, just let me do my job and open yourself up to the process because the thing I want to hear may not want to tell you, maybe spirit is more important to them or animal or whatever, that the reading just flew. We just went, boom, you know, she was crying, the tissues were flying and afterwards I got up and I hugged her and I said, see what happens when you let go. Person picking a person that you feel that you can trust using your intuition and saying, I'm choosing this person for a reason because I feel a connection, I feel that this is the right person for me. And then be willing to let them do their job, be open to the process and don't try to control the reading because the more you try to control the reading, the more you shut down the energy and the worse the reading is going to be. Okay, here's a couple of things, you know, if I get such a powerful one or two paragraph and an email for an inquiry and I feel the whole reading, I don't screen the client at that point, but I don't screen the client. But I have really started to screen the clients and say, number one, have you had a reading before? Do you know what you're into? Why are you actually contacting me? What makes you think I'm your healer? So, you know, you're really trying to streamline the situation to really make the most of their time with you, you know, they've got 45 minutes with you face to face. So what you're trying to do is get all of that, like a lot of the groundwork clear. And another thing is, are they going to let you get in there to read? They may have never told anybody, you know, I mean, I remember one reading when I was on the psychic line, you know, this woman who was being beaten up by her boyfriend. And she, you know, and I saw that, I asked her, you know, I mean, you know, gently. And she just said, nobody's, I've never told that to anybody, you know, so of course, you know, I gave her, you know, some numbers to call and stuff, but sometimes you can get into some really, really serious things that they have to be open to as well. And let me make one other point is that there are different types of readers too. You know, I mean, I, you know, when somebody calls me for a choral reading, what I do is I make sure that I explain my process very, very well and so that they are going to be telling them their future, you know, reflection. I'm going to look at the things that are going on in their lives, the things that are going on in their subconscious that may be for themselves. So in other words, you know, if I see something and it looks like it's going in a particular direction, I'm going to give that to them and I'm going to say, look, if you want this to happen, this is what you need to do to make it happen because it's not going to be happening just because I say it's going to happen. I may see it, but you need to create it because we create our own realities to happen. Then this is what you have to change to change it into a different direction. So I use the choral to help what's holding them back and what their potential is willing to look at. Now if my boyfriend and I are going to get back together, it's in a cafe and that's how the energy stands right at this very moment because everybody has free will, something changes, he steps off a curb, gets hit by a car and then he's in the hospital in three days while you're in the cafe sitting around waiting for. Right, right. Here's a couple of things, his feedback. You know, here's why it pays to go to a seasoned reader like you and I, you know, because the prep and the screening of the client, if the client is not, oh, here goes a damn text again. Oh, okay, there it goes, sorry. If the client says, I really want this reading, I really want this reading. And then I tell him, look, if I were a dentist and you came to me and said, fix my cavity but you wouldn't open your mouth, I wouldn't be able to do it. So you, you know, they think that you just, a lot of times, well, you just turn the camera on and you know every single thing and you know everything and I'm like, no, you are not, it's like a book. It's like a channel. You have to let me see some things. So I have to, you have to really kind of establish, oh, for the love of Pete, this is my family. Dang, I don't know how to, I don't want to lift the phone and like, you know, please excuse my texting. I can't believe this. Okay, wait a second. I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to lift you up. My family knew I was in an interview too. I'm in an interview. You're watching it, I apologize. Yeah, I'm in an interview, stop texting me. There you go, now please. I don't know how to do that. How do you do the do not disturb? Oh, I found a do not disturb, okay. All right, let me go back to you. Hey, I got you right back. Okay, let's see. Okay, let's just, so there we go. You're like floating like a genie on the camera here now. Okay, there we go. Okay, so, screening the client and you have to, see, okay, this is what I think what I'm working out. The client has to be accountable as well. They're part of the process. This is what you're saying. The client's energy, you're bringing something. And you know what, if you're running in inference on me, I'm like, look, you are spending $200 to $300 an hour, and now you're not gonna let me read for you because you've got this kind of like up and down, up and down, I want you to see it, I don't want you to see it. And sometimes I'm not gonna say I have to push people around, but you really do. It's almost like a waiter, a bartender, a service, you have to let me do this. Like if you don't allow me to wait on you, or you know, you've hired me to do this, so you need to back it up and get out of ma, I love it when you get a client and they try to read your aura. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? And they're like all over your aura and your heart chakra and you're like, no, no, no. I'm reading you, you're not gonna read me. You're not gonna get into my, you know, we're keeping the focus on you. Like when they get uncomfortable sometimes. So, you know, this is once again, a seasoned reader has learned all these things and is a lot more adept at having a smoother reading, knowing when to, how to interpret. You don't just say, hey, you know, there's a lot of questions out there. I know you're on that website where we met initially, which was Shucks, what was the name? Or you answer questions? Quorum. Quorum, Quora, Quora. You know, where people ask about certain questions about mediumship and now I lost my trying to thought, Shucks. You know, the process and them being part of it, you know? That their energy is basically accountable. A lot of times they might disappear and they're not present all of a sudden. So then you gotta pull them back. And, you know, I use a magic wand. I'm actually pretty theatrical too. You know, you know, I might wear a little mascara if I think it's appropriate. Like they want it more of a show because that's what's gonna get them to open up a little bit, a little extra jewelry, candles. I think, oh, here's what I wanted to say as well. You know, a lot of my reading is, because the psychic stuff is the easy part, really. That's the hard part is kind of like the logistics of setting the stuff up and the website. But it's also, I find, making the client relaxed and comfortable. And knowing how to deal with the client and understand you were talking about the seasoned reader is what you were actually talking about there. And, you know, that's so true. You know, I have, when I was very, very first learning to be putting it out there, asking people, you know, send me people and I'll just do them for free because I just want the practice. And there was one woman who came to me and again, this is kind of going back to that thing where she had a focus of what she wanted. But I wasn't seasoned at that point. But then again, I wasn't charging her money either, you know, she knew that. But I, you know, oh my God, this reading was grueling. It was an hour and a half and I kept getting stuff and it was just like, no, no, no, no, no. And at one point, I was, you know, I had gotten and I felt like I was very well connected and I told her, I said, okay, I'm getting somebody with four kids, three are the same, one is different, like either one is dead and three are alive or there's three girls and one boy. And she's like, no, no, no, okay, all right, we move on. I'm also getting an S name like Sharon or Susie or it's I could be off by the name but not by the initial and no, no, no. And just, this just went on and on. And afterwards I asked her, I said, well, what is it that you were wanting to, you know, what is it that you wanted from this reading? Again, as a seasoned reader, I wouldn't have gone through the whole thing. Now I know to ask earlier on, you know. And she said, well, you know, I wanted to hear what my son said to me on his deathbed. And I'm like, she said, well, you know, I've been through so much because my son died a year ago. I have three other daughters very close to him and she's having a really, really hard time of it. You know, she missed all of that because she just wasn't hearing what she wanted but information so that they don't shut down. Right, right. Yes, so they can hear it. Or do you know, like it's in Lisa Williams and she said to me, she was bringing through one of my best friends who had passed from breast cancer some time before. And, you know, and I told her at that point, because I was actually had been doing this professionally for a little while first. And I told her, that's one of the things is when instead of like a sister to me, but if somebody says sister, I'm going to think. Right, okay, yeah. You know, okay, seasoned reader has taught me to say, when you really, this is what, I actually have a magic wand. I have this sparkly liquid magic wand and I use it because it's very instructive and I point to the card a lot of times and I'm like, you're not hearing what I'm saying. If you can't hear this, we're going to put it down for a minute and we're going to go back to it. And then I tap it again. But I'm going to give you a story briefly that's illustrative of when I was a new reader and I went to this person's house, which I don't really do anymore. And I almost never see people in person anymore, but I go to this guy's house and I get my cards and I'm trying to attune. And I tell this guy, you know, there's somebody else's energy that is all over this apartment. There's somebody else's energy. It's like almost everywhere. It's like almost your energy isn't even in here. Do you know who that could be? He looks at me blank stare. No, I don't have any idea. No, there's no such thing like that. There's nobody else's energy in here. And I was just, I was so definite. I was still a newbie, but I was so definite that I was like, you know what? I am not giving this up. There is somebody else's energy in here and it is very strong. And so finally after, I don't know, 20 minutes and trying to like, you know, and I'm getting all nervous. I feel invalidated. I'm like, I'm blowing it. The guy goes, well, you know, this guy like on another floor in this building died and he gave me all his furniture and like all of his stuff is all over the place. I mean, is it that? And I was like, are you kidding me? Are you, you know, like I sleep in this dead guy's bed and you know, you've got a medium here saying there's, you know, your energy's, this actually really, right, right. Yeah, no. I just think amnesia may that you're presenting it or like a, you know, it could be just the time asking, well, did somebody used to live here? Did somebody die here? Did somebody, you know, I started to panic and I was just like, I got referred by a very heavy person and I was like, he's going to call this guy and go, this guy didn't get anything. In fact, he lied. He got all this misinformation. So I started to panic. So a lot of being a mature reader and having, you know, I also tell people this, you know, just because somebody can read tarot cards in their medium doesn't mean they're qualified to give you spiritual advisement. You bet. This is another thing. I'm like, you know, I'm pushing towards 60 now. If, and I've, you know, my psychic first, psychic teacher was like, you're living nine, 10 lifetimes in this lifetime already. So you are quality. You've already, you know, you have the wisdom at least 10 people in this lifetime. So that's another thing with choosing your reader and, you know, the person where you see wherever, you know, ask yourself that. They're not just reading cards. They're not just being a medium, but they're, you know, putting together the golden trifecta of wisdom. They're trying, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, who are they? I mean, I've taken a class with that, oh man, you know, this person just has, you know, he might be good in getting the information, but he has absolutely no business doing this work, you know, and that's it, you know, because if you haven't done the work on yourself, so that you can understand how to work with people because we're working with people who are having real problems, you know, in real grief, you know, fun and games. But this, you know, I take my job very, very seriously. And just like that about her son, you know, a couple of months after the person who had referred me, that, you know, she went by, you know, went back and, you know, all the stuff. She said yes, yes, yes, yes, yes to, you know, she didn't tell me, but she affirmed it for, you know, said that it was all accurate, you know? I mean, but as in her in any way, you know, because I, you know, I was not seasoned and she was in grief. That's the thing, you know? I mean, if people can, if people do this work, but they don't have social skills in grief, in, you know, when they're having problems, it's really. You're talking about really, you know, we've got, I just want to give you the heads up here. We've kind of been talking for about an hour. We've got about 15 minutes left, just so, just to let you know. You're talking about being somebody's a soul counselor. You're talking about really being a therapist. Now you're going into being a therapist, you know. And a master's in ordained alakai, which is a spiritual healer, teacher, counselor, you know, which is legitimized and, you know, and not that there aren't people that are qualified, but that's one of the reasons why I've done that, you know, because it's important for me to know. Right, you're getting into more of a shamanic energy dimension moving around vibrational healing. After you see the situation, you know, not, wait, dear, I want to, I want you to show us some of the tarot cards, but let's just go a loud and long last line of topics. You know, you're getting into the realm of, you see the situation, here is the thing, you've got it before you. Not all psychics are really healers, if you want my opinion, like I've tried to sort this out and talk about it in my 300 hours of YouTube vids, it's like, you know what? All healers are psychic, but not all psychics are healers. All mediums, I don't know if they're psychic or they're, all shamans are mediums. Yeah, all mediums are psychics, but not all psychics are mediums. And all animal communicators are pet psychics, but not all pet psychics are. You know, so you're definitely, and I tell this to people too. I mean, once again, I'm gonna reiterate what you said, in order to be a better reader or a better artist, you kind of do have to be a better person and wanna work on yourself. You can't just be like, hey, I'm just a projection board. I'm just reading the cards, here's what it says. You do have to have some finesse. My strength and my weakness is almost the exact same because I'm so blunt. I just take the truth and I just go, boom, like, but, and that can be a weakness and some people aren't really prepared for that. That's why I ask them, like, how do you know me? Where have you seen me? At the same time, if I'm that blunt with them, they like instantly open up. Like this guy has really heard it all. He is right to the chase. I'm like, these are minutes of your life. They are universally drawn to you because that's the type of reader they need. This is exactly one thing. You know, I mean, when I had that reading from John Edward, it was, you know, it was a great reading. It was my favorite medium and I've learned so much by watching him but it made me realize the difference between my style and his. You know, until I was read by him, I was thinking, oh, because I've learned my style is kind of like him but I realized my style is not like him, you know, pretty much at all. I mean, I may do some similar things but, you know, just having watched him but he's very blunt and he's very to the point emotional level more so that they can look at things. And then I realized that, you know, after that reading, I realized, well, that's why people that find him or people that read like him or people that read like you, that's why they find you because every, you know, I mean, obviously John Edward is, you know, better than most people, I think, you know, the cat incident. Okay, we don't mind the cat, the cat must be getting tired and the cat's giving energy too. I, you know, I tell my client, I get people unstuck. If you've got something that is so frozen, I have got energy to burn in about seven different dimensions. I'm your guy. Hey, guess what? If you need a root canal, you know what? It's not gonna feel good. I'm sorry. And I try to, you know, I'm the no bullshit reader and I say that on YouTube and there's 20 hours of me saying that. You want the no BS guy? You know, I'm sorry to have to tell you, you want a little pain now or you want a lot of pain later. This is, this is me. Okay, this is what you're gonna get with me. I'm trying to save you the lot of pain later. Okay. And I still don't have a judgment on you. And it's all clients before they come to us. You know, I mean, in that patient and their voice at all, I say, look, you know what? So look at your intuition and see if you're comfortable, you know, go look at my website, go, you know, if you want, want, want to ask it more questions, that's fine on my site until life easier. I don't want to take money from somebody and have them, you know, go off, you know, finish the session and say that they didn't, that, you know, they might have, I, the kid is still there. Yeah, he, daddy took him. I would rather just give the people their money back. Yeah. I would absolutely. If that's the case, yeah, I would too. I would just rather give you your money back and say, cause you know what? I don't want more than the money or I need, you know, we need to keep our lights on but at the same time, I don't want a list of clients that are like, oh, I'm unhappy. I don't want the money. You know, but I think that's what I do out of their reading. I want people to be, and then it's a minute, every pat, you know, every minute, between me and my client. Right. You know, I do a job. I'm here to help you. And, and with that advantage of me and some people will try to do that. You know, there's no questions. Some people will try to do that. But you know, I'm never, I don't think they appreciate what I'm giving it with the best intentions. And you know, it's, it's, it's about ethics. It's kind of what we've been talking about here. You know, I mean, even the difference between, you know, we can talk about the difference between seasoned and beginners. And we also can talk about the difference between ethical readers and people who are just in it for the money. Right, right. You know, the reason that you're in it. And, and for me, I want my people to be happy. I want them to find value in it. I want to get off the phone and, and hear them say, you know, that. Right. But we need to start. One pair of hands or one pair of paws talking at a time. We need to, we need to start wrapping it up because they're, that studio is going to close in about seven minutes. I couldn't agree more, you know, because I'm going to tell you, when you, when the client gets a healing and you shut the camera off, you got healed too. You know what I'm saying? And so when you get energy, when you're given the, and it's a good, you screen the client right, the unit, you know you're supposed to spend time with that client, then you walk away and you got healed and you learned as well. So you expanded. You didn't. Uh-huh. But Lisa, I- I want that good energy out to the universe. Right. For your own karmic, whatever. I don't need to make any more bad karma with people. You know what I mean? I do not need any more, trust me, nine lives you can fill in the blanks. You know what I mean? There's, I'm still cleaning up the mess. Let's get to, did you bring us some cards? We're going to have to wrap it up with, did you, I think you were telling me about these invisible tarot cards. And I want to- One deck, you know, I mean, we can talk about the Ryderant tarot. It's just the greatest backwards for you or not. No, we can see it. No, we can see it. No, we can't. This is amazing. This is amazing. Can you get these, Amazon? Where do you go, Amazon? They're jillards. That's the commemorative. I have the book to it. I don't have the cards. Yeah, that is a beautiful- It is a gorgeous, gorgeous deck. It's gorgeous. And it gives homage to her because she's the one, you know, that really brought it to life. I mean, yeah, the universal is beautiful. If you're an extinct deck or you can get one of my favorites. I pull it back just a little bit so we can, oh yeah. I want to show you something when you watch this interview because I brought this to show you, but I can't really, I don't think I can show you. Oh, maybe I can- Oh yeah, the Shaman Tarot. Do you know this deck? Because this, I've had this deck for about five years and I can only read with it once because for me, maybe it's a projection on me. It is so heavy that the stuff that gets channeled when I pull this deck out is like, whoa, I can only acclimate once a year to the like, magnitude. So, you know, decks- The deck's a deck. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ted Andrews, is that a Ted Andrews? Yes. Yeah, I have, I think I had a pack of his cards and they just did not, you know, that's the other thing like a deck will either take with you or a deck won't take with you. Yeah, like I say, if you learn the rider way and you like- Here's, I brought three other decks to show you and our live audience, our YouTube audience. Here was the one I was telling you about in the interview. If you can see these, this is, what are these like? The Albano one? No, this isn't the Albano. This is my, I was telling Lisa, my Albano is my daily deck pretty much, but I also do a daily with this. This, these cards are, I think, what, six inches, seven inches? Oh, those big ones, what's the back look like? They're humongous. They're a standard rider way back. Oh, yeah. Right. I really prefer the, like these things are mucho grande. So if I'm gonna read in public, like I could read in Times Square a lot of times, I do readings just for tips, you know, that's my tithe, right in Times Square, they have a bunch of tables. So these are really perfect for like props, more theatrics, you're on stage or something like that. And then this, I don't pull out that often. Can you see this? Oh, yeah, I have that. I have that. This one is like one of my treasured, it really is one of my true treasures that illustrations are so beautiful. I'll have to look at that again. I have tons of depth view when you're reading. Right, you know, you favor some, but you know, that one's, you pulled out the large deck. I've got one of my favorite. Right, you perform, yeah. Well, so they do come in all different sizes and actually the Rider Waite comes in a mini, tiny, I think they're like an inch, maybe. Yeah, they come large, they also come, you know, they come, right, right, no. Yeah, I prefer. I prefer bigger, actually, I don't. Everybody's got a different thing, you know. I'm not a size queen, but you know. Okay, my last thing that I wanted to, Oh, yeah, I know a lot of people love that. The Osho Zen. So this really combines like incredible amounts of wisdom. I mean, I just get so much and it comes, at least when I bought it. This thing's like 15 years old now. It came in a case and the book is also a true treasure. So I wanted to, you know, see if you knew about that. And I have seen that, and she just loves that deck. Yeah, you know. I think it's her favorite deck. Each client, like sometimes I put five decks on the table face down and I tell the client, you're gonna choose where we're going today, you know, at the beginning. Cause it gives them kind of a sense of empowerment, you know, like which deck do you want to, and I have another rider weight that's around 20 years old and it is old, it's stained, it's falling apart. And I've shown that deck too. And I'm like, you know, it says a lot about, like sometimes I'll put them in different boxes, choose a box and the box contains the card. So you try to make that like a little mystical also, you know. Yeah, I make my own tarot bags. Oh, nice. Now if you can see that, I've got like a sun on it, kind of there, a little bit. This one's black, so, but I, you know. So yeah, I like, you have a relationship with them, you know, it's a different, it's like having a relationship with a person. You have a relationship with the cards in a certain way and they become part of your life. No, they're without a doubt, it's just like a chef and their knives. I mean, you know, it really does get your energy and you know, the most expensive deck is not gonna be the best deck for you. You know, certain decks get energized with my own personal, each card. Like when I see the, I think it's the four of cups, the two kids in the garden on the right away, you know. To me, the minute that card shows up, I'm like, this is a past life with this person. And I've never really seen like that as a universal meaning, but so, you know, my decks are all programmed for four cups. Hey, you're dealing with a past life. I know what to tell the person. So, you know, and that takes 10 or 15 years of like, doing that. And you know, there's just cards that I just don't have as good a relationship, but then other cards, when I, you know, when I pull the strength card, man, I believe I just have a good relationship with that card. You know? You're Leo, right? You're- I am. See, what is that, eight? I think so switched the eight and the 11 or something. Well, they say, you know, there's a rumor that, rather wait, wait, Arthur wait, Arthur wait, that wait switched him around because he didn't want people to know the right sequence. Yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, I knew there was something about that, but I didn't remember things that- Some funky. And I think Crowley, when he made his deck, he switched it back or something. Right, something like that. Well, I guess we will have to do our homework for next time we talk about this. Okay, we need to wrap it up. It was a great interview. It feels about the right time, and they're gonna start to shut down the studio. Closing statements, shameless plug, postdoc.net, and what else? Are your, we can find you answering questions about mediumship on Quora- And I also, that's there, that's the site that has those tarot decks. Okay, and your animal communication, once again, postdoc. Postdoc.net, yeah, everything, thanks for postdoc.net. I mean, you can order mediumship readings there, you can order tarot readings there, you can order QUNA counseling, you know, and that's something that we've not talked about at all, but you know, maybe we'll talk about that hopefully in the future, QUNA. Okay, so you're officially formally invited back next topic in a couple of months, is gonna be shamanism. Shaman's is medium. So any other closing, shocked in the must day, thank you for being in the healing circle. Anything else you wanna do a closeout, cause that's- No, I just appreciate you inviting me on. I appreciate all of your viewers for being here and spending this time with us, and I appreciate that this is a conversation. I really liked doing this with you because it ends up being a conversation that goes into places that, we were not sure that they were gonna go and it goes into places that I think need to be covered and hopefully your viewers will find value in it and I welcome the opportunity. So thank you so much. Okay, I'm honored to be in your presence. Powerful healer and doing a lot of good work with the animals, which always makes me feel good. Lisa Larson and she's also on, do you contact on Facebook or no? Just- I'm on Facebook, you know, if you wanna contact me, it's better through my website. My email is pausetalker at gmail.com, P-A-W-S-T-A-L-K-E-R at gmail.com and my website is pausetalk.net. Right, I'm gonna load all these links in on the YouTube video as well and there's no copyright infringement this, because you know, a lot of times I use music in my show, but this is gonna go straight to YouTube in the next 48 hours. All right, Lisa, I'm gonna push the button to stop recording this awesome combo of the East Coast and the West Coast and hang on a second, let me just, I'd like to thank our viewers for watching. There's over, actually 300 hours of spiritual topics vids. There's also another interview with Lisa Larson on my YouTube page, which I will link in for you as well and Lisa's links, look for them below here, right on YouTube, there you go. And okay, Lisa. Thank you so much, this is great. All right, no text next time. I'll tell my families probably. I was like, no text. All right, Lisa, we'll talk soon and thank you very much. Thank you so much, bye-bye, everybody. Namaste. Okay, thank you. There we go, okay. Oh, boy, I was sweating those texts out there for a minute, I was like, yes, we had to jockey it on the phone. We had to, hang on, let me show it to her. Is this the problem with Facebook? Yeah, so we just- I don't know, you know, 20 minutes start. I'm gonna look into using Zoom, it was so easy, man. You just give-