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I think right and she like makes her clients cry and scream And I think I've heard you talk about her, but I don't know if I've seen Bring up bring a video of her up It's so if you're a trainer and you've trained people for more than a month You actually work with people. Yeah watching a video like this is like nails on a shockboard because it Like watching the biggest loser. Yeah, I was gonna say this used to be Julia Michaels title, right? I don't know. It's toughest trainer. It's worse than the biggest loser because It I think when you watch biggest loser, you think there's an entertainment aspect This is like yeah, this is serious. It's what you need to do when you train and you work out It's terrible the world's most hardcore. That's a terrible title. No, these are her clients literally are crying. Look at this They're crying and she's doing like I don't know 15 forced raps With the exercises and you know make matters worse. She looks like they're in labor She represents these female fitness. I guess celebrities or whatever that look pretty good So I guess you would watch it and say oh my god the results, you know speak for themselves, but she's really crying Through that entire set. It's terrible. Yeah, what people need to realize is Intensity is it's a factor on workout programming and like any factor There's a right dose and too much only is gonna make you get slower results less results hurt yourself You're not gonna progress any better If you train beyond The appropriate level for your body of intensity. That's the importance You know why I think it's it's always hard to communicate this one because I think there's like two ends of the spectrum of the of the clientele It's like you have this clientele that is so adverse to exercise or doing any sort of movement and so You know teaching them to learn to push through and into Challenge themselves and and go harder than they're used to going has some merit But then you have the other end of the spectrum of people that enjoy working out that and and the truth is the people that Gravitate towards a trainer like this are the ones that don't need it and the ones that are like hell No, I don't know what always happens. Yeah hell. No, I don't want nothing to do with this trainer Would probably benefit the most from the from the mentality. Yeah, nobody nobody should probably train like that It's a very very the the risk versus reward the the amount of stress that you're applying to the body is Unnecessary to get it to change the way you want to like so I just but I mean people see it and they get motivated That's it's it's it's feeding into the whole motivation. Hi. Yeah, and there's there's more to the unnecessary aspect of it because Some people may say okay, it's unnecessary, but okay. What's the harm then if I just work out hard Well, it's not just unnecessary it actually will move you away from your goals It'll make the results happen slower or not at all is actually what ends up happening when you use the inappropriate level of intensity because when you watch Videos like this If you're the average person let's say you just got motivated you want to start working out, right? So you see these videos one of two things is going to happen either one you're like, okay, this is not for me There's no way. I don't want to do that. I want to cry like this is crazy like this is not for me or You're in that state of motivation and you're like, this is what I need to do if I want to get in shape So then you go to the gym and you beat the crap out of yourself And you get terrible results or worse you hurt yourself and you're like, oh, okay. Well, I guess this isn't for me Yeah, even if you get results, it's a very brief window when it when you're ramping the intensity up to that level And in terms of like you going over the threshold of your body being able to adapt It's it's very much more likely that you're just going to be healing at that point from the damage you caused because you went so Well, it's like it's like an ultra marathon runner racing against the fastest sprinter in the world And you and you in the fastest part of the world, you know The fastest sprint in the world is most likely not going to win that ultra marathon race against the ultra marathon runner And it's and that's why I think it's deceiving is because you see these people come out the gates You train that hard and the and the results come on much faster than the ultra marathon Rather probably takes off on a nice little pace and the sprinter takes off and I was like, oh my god He's gonna crush him. It's like no wait Wait about 15 miles and we'll and we'll see where where everybody is at and then ultimately you'll see the Ultra marathon passer, right? So I think the same thing goes with this is that it's deceiving because you see The results come out the gates you come out the gates and the scale goes down fast And you feel the body tightening up really quick And so you think that you know, this is the way I want to you know I think that that mainly happens with people who already fit you take the average person and you train him with that Level of intensity, they're not going to see results. They're going to be Either hurt or in bed or nothing. They're not going to get any well. I mean, okay. Yeah You take a fit person. I mean what you and you throw the occasional super intense work up You do that right? She's that this trainer is on the far end of the spectrum, you know But I mean you even there and there's trainers that are training not near that intensity But still training way too intense for a new beginner and that new beginner ultimately is going to see results They were they weren't moving they were eating poorly And now they get a trainer who decides they're going to kick their ass And so, you know the first couple weeks they see good results And you know what it's it's not even an opinion. Um, there's there's been a lot of studies done on this So it's not just our opinion and our experience There's a lot a lot of data on this lots of studies that show what what level of intensity is most effective Like lifting to failure versus not lifting to failure Volume frequency rep ranges lots of studies done on this And the studies are pretty conclusive That these super high levels of intensity are not just unnecessary but in a very short period of time Overwhelmed the body's ability to adapt. Yep. So you actually get worse results So like what she's doing these videos with this particular and it's going viral It's gone viral a couple times. I've seen her before in the past When you watch that level of intensity, she's not just going to failure. She's going to failure She's doing partial reps forced reps negative like she's throwing Everything but the kitchen sink at these people and so you watch this and you're like, oh, is that what I need to do? Yeah, do you think it's very damaging to you guys think it's getting worse or better in our space You know, it's funny. I'm I'm so glad you asked that question because I think if you go on social media, it's a bit distorted in terms of what's happening So I've now worked out at a regular commercial gym. I started going back So now I'm in like the regular population. So it's not like a super hardcore gym It's not it's just a gym where people work out and I'm seeing a lot of good stuff Like I'm seeing people do really good technique and form with barbell exercises full ranges of motion Appropriate levels of intensity rest periods that look good So based off that I think it's a lot better than it was before but if I look at social media, it's like man I get discouraged. Do you agree just really well? I'm Trying to think about that because remember britney if you're the last name. Yeah, but yeah, she got in trouble Uh for promoting all these programs and then not like following through with all these customers and whatnot And so I'm wondering if a little bit of that was a deterrent for some of these influencers to actually You know have like a solid way of being able to coach A lot of these these people that they're promoting these programs and stuff too Or if that is still like a formula that is being used a lot I just don't follow a lot of these types of of characters anymore But I did see that like shreds is coming back with what yeah I disagree with sal I think that it's it's getting worse. I think what you're experiencing is So maybe uh gym trainers are have evolved about definitely. There's a case for that. There's more education. I mean imagine I just can't imagine 20 years ago trying to learn today would have been so much nicer, right? So like we had to go buy national certifications or find a mentorship or Man, you could follow some really intelligent people on youtube and podcasting and you could get a lot of good information So I think the the trainer has more education at their tips of their fingers than they did before but I think we have this New anomaly that we didn't have 20 years ago, which is a massive market centered around digital online trainers And because there's so many people training online and one of the best ways to to garner attention in this space You know is tiktok. You know is is reels is to get people to to to click on you and do you and because of that Unfortunately, I think it is far worse today than it was just 20 years ago I think you're right with because tiktok has really taken over a lot of the views and and It's almost like it's it's degraded Whatever we saw previous to that from instagram with with the information I feel like it's even worse in that format It's tough because if I think about it and I've tried to look at data because it's hard because social media Sometimes appears distorted. So you get in the fitness space and social media doesn't necessarily represent What's happening? It's like in our the fitness space has always been A bit dysfunctional, right? It's always kind of been that way. I mean before it was magazines now. It's social media But when you look at the data Eating disorders body image issues definitely is on the rise. It's on the rise with with young kids, especially girls But boys now young men now are suffering. So and they think that has to do with social media But I will say again in the gyms. I'm seeing things in the gym That I never and these are these are like people in their 40s 50 regular people like I never would have seen before doing pretty good Technique and one. I think it's right, but that's again just the one gym. I'm going well not to mention I think that speaks to the point I made which is you know, it's uh, the consumer Is is smarter today? We have access to I mean you can now get online and google some really solid information Around exercise training and and so I just think that there there's way more information That's readily available for the either average client a person or even the trainer who's working in the gym I just think unfortunately that does not outweigh the flood of Online trainers now and even more importantly online trainers that have you know You know garnered the detention of millions of people, you know I mean even and even take that as an example like I can think of think of uh, you know 10 of our smartest fitness friends, right that we would consider buddies or friends of ours Uh, and they uh, many of them don't even have a million followers But yet like I'm sure this girl probably has millions of people that are far so that one person Is getting more attention all the good information all the good friends of ours that we know that You know, maybe have a hundred thousand followers losing battle. It is it's a it's a it's a it's tough It's tough to decide and sometimes I feel like that sometimes I feel uh hopeful you know what's interesting about this is If you look at any success because here's what happens to the average person They see somebody who looks really fit or an athlete that is very successful or somebody who did very well in business And they can we can identify with the hard workout or the hard, you know Thing that they had to do so like I'm watching this train or train these people so hard And I'm like that's the key to the success. That's the hard part. It's actually not It's the consistency over years and years and years and years like the business person that succeeds with the business It's not that they worked one 20 hour day and grinded their ass off. It's that they were consistent Year in year out year in year out so it is true That success in any realm, especially fitness, uh is is challenging and hard But the challenging and hard part is not the intensity of the workout If you if you really look at the whole picture The intensity of the workout is way down the the scale really the hard part is the consistency Have you been doing this weekend week out year after year after year? So when we watch videos like that when people watch that they think that's why they're successful These women look amazing because this woman is training on making them cry No, that woman's worked out for 10 years Consistently that played a larger role in her success in this workout You see on instagram that looks like it's you know, it's killing her I mean one of the one of the biggest things that ever helped me with Overcoming that or figuring that out for myself was being okay with Doing a workout that would be considered really sub par, you know And I think many people think almost a waste of time. You're not burning hardly any like one exercise I now that's kind of the game that I I play with myself one because I'm I'm sure you guys are the same way There's many times. I'm not motivated. I don't want to get it I don't feel like getting it done or I don't have a lot of time all the excuses are there Right And I'm like, oh and and I'm pretty fit. I don't I can get away with missing this workout And then I go, you know what like, you know, fine Don't don't do your full workout. Just go just go do three sets Or if I like I make a deal with myself to do is like the best bare minimum I'm like, okay, that's like nothing. That's a joke and many times What ends up happening is it ends up turning into a great workout Sometimes it doesn't sometimes it ends up being three or five sets those three to five sets and making that decision Such a better choice than to just ignore it completely and just to What I noticed more than anything else is it's less about the five sets and the workout It's more about the the consistency and the behaviors that I'm building by being okay with okay I'm gonna just at least go do this I think I think if people would switch that mindset and I know I can't be alone, right? I have the just as much information. I think is the average You're not going to have the best workout ever every time. That's impossible right That's absolutely realistic. It's physiologically and physically impossible You know, you're gonna have some workouts that are great some workouts that are not so great But it's the consistency is the hard part. So if you look at someone's very successful in that It's because they were consistent It's not necessarily because they work out so hard that they almost throw up or their sore for five days Here's another sort of terrible analogy But I look at it more as like appetizer like I do the same thing But I'll I'll do like, you know 10 five to 10 minutes of something. It's just I have to establish that for the day I'm so much more likely to get a good workout in Following that if I don't do that then my body's just more likely to just okay I'm just gonna sit down and write it out That's the other thing that I found with it is that you know, even if the workout itself because let's be honest Okay, three sets of bench rest is not going to change your your physique that much but Aside not only does it help with just keeping the consistency not only does it sometimes turn into a bigger workout But then it also changes my mindset the rest of the day because I I did something in the positive direction that way Right. So now when I had this choice where I was like, oh, I could have this for dinner or that for dinner And one of them being a much better choice for my body than the other one I'm more likely to make the better choice because I also made a better choice with me exercising, right? So I just I find that there's so much more benefit than I think I ever realize to just Accepting that I'm going to go in and do a few things Even if it's not super intense even if it's not major just getting a few a few exercises You know when they do polls on people who've been doing this for a long time So people have been working out consistently, you know for like 10 years And they ask them why like what is it that makes you do it? It's not makes me look buffed makes me look ripped. Uh, you know, I I I'm strong or whatever. It's always mental Psychological, right. I feel gets my head right. That's why I do it now I don't do it for the other reasons the other reasons are great I'm not gonna say I don't like them but now it's really for the the mental aspect of it So I don't miss it even if even if I don't feel physically like this morning I don't feel like working out at all. I had a rough night last night. I woke up as groggy So I went to the gym and I went super easy But why because it sets my mind straight if I didn't do it and I came to work without doing it It would have been much worse Today's giveaway map symmetry. This is becoming one of our most popular programs. You can get it for free Here's how you win Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we dropped this episode on this channel Turn on notifications and uh subscribe to this channel. Do all those things if we like your comment your comment And we say hey, this is the best one. 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I'm going to read to you what happened here And um, so I'm talking about the soleus very small flat Uh muscle that makes up part of the calf. So when you look at the calf you have the gas rocks Which are the big meaty part and underneath that is called the soleus. You should have made us guess which muscle I know there's so many smaller muscles. That's why I said it real quick So if you think you're even smaller, but anyway when this muscle is activated And I'll tell you how they activated when this particular muscle is activated It had a profound effect on blood glucose in the body. So check this out The whole body effects from doing a specific exercise on the soleus this tiny little muscle Was a 52 improvement in the excursion of blood glucose and 60 less insulin requirement Over three hours and this was after testing them with a glucose drink. Huh? Just the the soleus now, you know what they're doing for this exercise People are literally i'm not making this up. They're sitting in in a chair Tapping their feet no doing like a little little little calf raises just the smallest calf raise Now you're thinking how is this even possible? So I didn't know this about the soleus, but it's pretty remarkable. Apparently this muscle The way it is it's it's I don't know designed or evolved to have tremendous Um stamina and endurance so it doesn't store a ton of glycogen like other muscles do But it sucks glycogen or it sucks glucose out of the blood And this is because this muscle is super active in walking So walking walking for hours trekking humans have the capability to out trek almost any animal And part of it where I'm like the type 2 kind of fiber Yeah, and part of it has to do with there's lots of reasons why but one of them is the soleus muscle Is just super I mean even the most unfit person their soleus has tremendous endurance compared to any other muscle in their body So they have these people do this like really easy Just no resistance or anything just lift in their heels like this and they saw these profound effects in blood glucose in the body Is it partially because of how far the muscle is from the heart too? And so it's got to work a little bit harder because these muscles like let's say I did this No, it's because these muscles suck glucose out of the blood So they're differently than other I just say so it's unique that yes It's unique then it makes up one percent of your body's musculature But it it acts like you worked 15 percent or something like that from what I read According to say so I'm trying to read I'm trying to read through this and really understand it But this is crazy This is profound so literally because it gets more forced demand in terms of like overall body weight and that's like at the bottom Uh, no because of the way that it sucks glucose out of the blood It literally sucks glucose out of the blood rather than using glycogen rather than using fuel like other muscles It's literally affects blood glucose any in a massive way in comparison to other so all the fat people that skip calves That's a terrible I'm serious You know like do calves. That's like a skinny guy exercise, right? If you're insecure about your calves, you're doing calves like crazy But you're the big dude who's been walking around with extra hundred pounds. You never do calves. I mean the calves are always being Work. They're always yeah, that's that's really under demand. Look at this of all Look at this is a quote from the from the the study all of the 600 muscles combined Normally contribute only about 15 percent of the whole body oxidative metabolism In the three hours after ingesting carbohydrate Despite the fact that the soleus is only one percent the body weight It is capable of raising its metabolic rate during these contractions to easily double even sometimes triple the whole body carbohydrate oxidation We are unaware of any existing or promising pharmaceutical that comes close to raising and sustaining Whole body oxidative metabolism at this magnitude. I mean this is crazy and I know they're going to do more studies It's built in yeah, but I'm so I belong to these forums on facebook and uh like these You know these neuro biology biology fitness health forums And it's just flying because this this is profound And it's literally literally it could literally mean this you're about to eat a meal do like 50 do like 50 of these What was the original hypothesis? Why did they even do this? Uh, that's a good question I'm a what would drive a study like that like I think they're I don't know I'm gonna guess that they were probably trying to see is there's an easy seated exercise that could have an effect on Uh, you know blood glucose like we know that two minutes of walking after a meal has a big effect on Remember there was another study show that so it's like you don't need a lot of activity to really affect your blood sugar Um, so maybe it was along those lines. I'm sure I can't remember if you did you say the time how long to do that? No, it didn't but no, but I don't think they were doing it very long So I'm I'm looking more into this because it's freaking wild and I'm watching There's a whole video on it of uh, uh of this person doing it and I'm like are they on a machine like what's going on? That's what I should have done on the plane all day yesterday. Yeah, right Yeah, I did it all wrong. How was that? How was your trip guy? Oh, it was awesome. Dude. I had so much fun It was just a blast to to be a freak. Is this the third year in a row? The second oh, there's only second wait, so what is this we're making it a thing? What's the name of this? It's called furnace fest. So it's in albama It was like all these bands that we grew up with they're all underground like for the most part Sometimes you'll bring in like one name band or like two To draw in more people But yeah, it was a whole lot of bands like probably nobody's heard of in here But what's great is that I don't listen to Music like in any other way where I can get exposed to like new music and so for me It's always like oh my god. I get introduced to a band. I didn't even know existed and that happened for me going out there I found this band that was just like Mind blown dude. They put on like the sickest show and it was literally two guys It wasn't even like this big band or like this big sound very big sound. I should say but uh, it was very raw It's like you guys know like white stripes. Yeah. Yeah, so they were like the evil white stripes dude They crushed it man. I mean it was just like so raw and like like loud and raucous And uh, they at this one point I took a video He had all these different like tracks and so because now like they can track a lot of Sounds and different You know delay pedals and different things on the mics You can do a lot of interesting things And so he was like messed around with all these things and he had this one Really weird like antenna looking device And it made these like almost like one of those like tesla things that like you put your hands around and has like light Like a coil. Yeah So he had one of those set up and it's like it makes this really high pitch kind of noise when you get closer and then away And so this guy's drumming and then he's up there. It literally looks like a wizard. He has his hands over like this is like To me like describing this is like horrible was so Weird and wild and awesome and it's like never would see that anywhere the genre of music is rock Yes, they call it when they call it noise rock, which is I knew yeah, it's like a new genre Uh, but yeah, it was it was fascinating to see what they did Does this fall under the case? So one of the last times we talked about your your music You told me that there's like, uh, their name's 86 or 68 by the way, there is Wait, what their name's 68. Oh the name of the group. Okay. Is there meaning behind that? I have no idea. There has to be right Isn't that like it's like it's not 69. So you owe me one. Yeah, you owe me one. Yeah, I don't know We'll have to ask them. Okay someday So you before you told me there's like, uh Are are these the groups that are Heavy into drugs and drinking or is this the other side? Remember? I forget. It's kind of both. Yeah, you're right. So there's Yeah, so there's a lot of those kind of hardcore bands that were like was there a name straight edge. That's right That's what you straight edge. So yeah, so bleeding through was there and they weren't there last year That's the one that Brenda potty's in. Yeah, so it was it was It was cool, man. Like we we actually went uh, vip this year And um, so we were kind of like backstage a bit and then they went on and I saw him and and he jumped on stage and Dude, he's been he's been hitting the gym, man He was looking yoked out there and shaved head and everything and just was looking crushed. I was crushing on him, dude You went with your friends, right? Yeah, I'm my friend. So yeah now hold on explain the crowd So is it a bunch of 40 50 year old dudes that used to love metal? Yes. Is it young? Okay There's like barely any young people and there was a lot less girls this time too. So An old sausage fest the old wrinkled sausage now what why what what's your thoughts on that? Why why is it not? Why does it not have the younger generation? Is that falling out? well, you know what I think is they were trying to kind of I think they tried to bring them in with the punk bands that we just didn't go watch because I wasn't into like Newfound Glory and you know some of these other bands that they brought on the bill that I was just like Not my thing Uh, so maybe they were there for that but like I think it's just they didn't grow up with these bands and it's like, you know It's kind of what I see with like the high school kids that I work with too. They just don't have the the anger and the It's a different kind of energy. You know what I mean? Like they're just not angry. They're not angry enough They're dysfunctional in different ways. Yeah, in totally different ways like they Yeah, they're dealing with it in another way. Yeah, so walk walk me walk me through what like a pregame looks like for this Do you guys, you know push each other around a little bit do a lot of coax take some shots at tequila Like head buddy each other like what do you guys do to like get ready for this? Yeah, so It's so underwhelming They're knee-wrapping Around the elbows and knees, you know just to make sure I swear guy you gotta like at least some of that Yeah, I did if I did a few stretches I well I because I was like we're like dude We're not gonna go as hard this year the pits and and all that and that just went out the window Once norma gene went on I was I went like went for but you went back you went in the in the in the mosh pit I went in the mosh pit. Yeah, we had VIP every there's no reason for me to go in the mix with everybody I did that specifically to try okay. We're just gonna enjoy the music this time. Yeah, that's dangerous I'm gonna tell you what not for you it's dangerous for everyone else because For if you were in a mosh pit with a bunch of 20 year olds, you would hurt a lot of them because you're an animal You're gonna go in with a bunch of 40 50 year old dudes. Yeah, I feel bad for these Well, I mean it's it's you know, there's the potentials there, but like it it's real respectful It's like a weird chaotic because you're all the same respectful thing. You're all the same team I all like the music, right? So yeah, you just have to kind of know that Um, there's gonna be arms and legs and things flying around and you just kind of kind of have to Yeah, a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. I got one on on the top of my head and Can you this guy jumped off stage and just like laying it right on my head I I have I have a very minimal mosh pit experience, but some And can you really I don't know you're in a mosh pit. No, I had a I had a roommate who was heavy into like a drop kick Murphy's and like like like punk, right? That's probably considered punk, right? So I've been to a few concerts with her Um, but I I always had a hard time knowing if if like, uh, the people in the mosh If they were really just vibing with the music and mosh and having fun and that we were on the same team Or there was someone in there that was kind of intentionally trying to can you can you feel that in or can you see like the guy who's This like that guy gets his ass kicked. He does everybody gangs up on him. Yeah, we attack him Okay, so you you you can see that and sense that right away. Yeah And so it's it's changed a lot and it's so funny to talk about this stuff because this is all like You know unwritten stuff that it's just like part of the code Yeah, when you go into these things and there's different Especially in a venue like this you get different genres like so you get the hardcore you get the straight edgers you get the Circle pit, you know like fast kind of music. So like punk music you get a lot of like circle That's yeah, that's what I've experienced. Yeah, it's like you get a circle and just you run. Yeah, you basically somebody Like create space and then everybody just starts kind of moving In a circle and then you just get like swept into it Uh, you know, if you're on the outside, they just push you in and you just uh terrifying. Yeah It's really not that bad. It's just like you're just running and like hitting people like, you know like next to you It's not that big a deal. Yeah, but uh, so that's one version then there's this other version with the hardcore they do like um, I I call it like slam dancing or like we we call like ninja pitting like because you just all of a sudden they'll hit like Some breakdown and you'll see a group of guys just like Punching the air and like doing these like spinning kicks like in place and they just like start thrashing And I made the mistake long time ago. Is that like a hardcore show? That we opened up for and I'm just sitting there like watching like oh, this is interesting And then one of those things just broke out and this kid was like Start punching through his arm back and it hit me right in the nose broke my nose I was like, oh, shit. What was that? He's like felt so bad. He like gave me his hat and everything But that's a whole another thing like the ninja pitting so that was going on At once with the circle pit and then you have the stage diving Happening as well. So there's lots of chaos. You got to kind of keep your eyes out I I wonder if there's like studies done on on this because I feel like it's it's fascinating to me Studies are like what like well, okay. So like why what type of what type of men are drawn to this? No, not just that but like what's the because there's definitely a benefit right because what you're witnessing for my this is my outlet, dude Yes, so my opinion watching something like that. I'm thinking This is unprocessed emotion and it's coming out and it's probably cathartic. I bet it feels really good Right to let it out. Yeah, and and what's my evidence to that is that people are hitting each other and for the most part Nobody gets into a fight. Yeah, everybody's like we're here together. Yeah letting this out And we're pressing that line and also you're feeling a unity because it sounds to me like it self-organizes Yeah, so I wonder if there's any study. So it's fascinating to me Yeah, and it's like somebody fell you pick get pick them right back up and so it's not like yeah, there's no Mal intention going in it's usually the person that has no idea and is like Oh, what's happening? And then they try and like get all serious about it And then you know, we we stomp them right away. So how many buddies did you go with? Two other guys. Oh, that's it. So there's just three of you guys. Yeah, there's the three of us So my my old lead singer and and uh, uh basis guitarist and uh, yeah, so we it's funny, dude for us, it's like You know, we come back. We don't get to hang out ever and it's it's it's like rekindling kind of that that whole music side So it's so dorky, but we got get so inspired we go back and we start playing, you know And we jam together and stuff at this house that I got so One of my friends is doing kind of a side project. That's so sick He like and I probably shouldn't talk about it yet But like he does he's doing like a themed kind of metal Yeah themed to like a very famous show And then with like the character is going to dress up as them and everything and so anyway It's I can't wait to I'll I'll show you guys now as as like the baller of the group of u3 Do you get like less respect because of that? And do you like kind of downplay your success and shit like that? And it's because I feel like that's like it's comes from grunge and like hardcore Said they're way better musicians. So it's like they have that Well, these are all these are all mature men with families I'm sure there's a lot of successful people, you know You just got to reach back and get you put you think a lot of like, uh, you know lawyers and suited up suited up guys I get out of work and they throw their their gauges in and then they freaking go out and smash each other Well, you're probably getting maybe I would I would I would I would bet it like 80 to 90% It's probably blue collar would be my guess and I would think that that kind of like grunge Like vibe is more respected than somebody who like works for the man and it makes all kinds of money and No, I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just guessing right now. Yeah It's kind of an eclectic bunch and would it be weird for someone like to go super VIP and posh you guys stayed at the four seasons and then you go to the freaking, you know rage concert like Yeah, that's yeah, that's getting massages afterwards. That's not what it's about That's not what it's about at all. Yeah. Yeah, so it's yeah It's a totally probably more on the the blue collar vibe for sure Because it's it's a rough You know, it's a rough outlet like like you're saying like we're there to like it's like some kind of catharsis You know, we're well I was just I was joking earlier because when you're doing it when you're a teenager you're like mad Because you know, mom and dad don't understand you School sucks. I don't get that girl broke up with me. Yeah, but then when you're like in your 40s and 50s, are they like my wife? Complains, you know, my kids. I can't create a relationship with my son Yeah, fuck. Yeah, I have to go to work every day, you know, exactly. Yeah, we're raging about uh, yeah, like like world politics and you know I love it. No, uh, yeah, so anyway, so yeah, we the biggest like thing for me though that was tough was was the food situation because um you know, like I guess There's just a disconnect there in terms of like, I don't know if you guys have different friend groups that like like certain types of food like Restaurants and then prefer things over the other they they preferred a lot of like fast food restaurants And like I just haven't been in that mentality for a really long time. Yeah, the most fast food I'll do is like in and out That's about as far as I'll go. Yeah, but I won't do like McDonald's Burger King Taco Bell Like five guys is probably as far as I've gone, you know in a long time and so Uh, there was nothing open after the show and like dude, we burned All kinds of calories out there and we're just starving and and it's like dude. Oh, this is open and it's Taco Bell I'm like, oh Taco Bell I was like, oh hell no, this is I already was like, dude, this is gonna be like the worst idea We've ever had like I don't know what you guys are talking about. Oh, you're gonna be fine. Dude. It's just tacos Yeah, just tacos and so we went back and I dude I haven't had Taco Bell probably in over a decade like I'm not gonna how fast did you get diarrhea? Like I thought it was gonna be okay because it's not like a greasy You know like crazy burger or anything from McDonald's like I thought it might be okay But dude, it was probably within an hour I was just like my stomach just was like this and then I was on It was just like coming out is coming out. Oh my god everywhere. Yeah Like and and I was like pissed off about them. Why can't I just handle something simple like that? It just was like an immediate response. Oh, it was brutal. I remember I used to be able to eat that dude Yeah, as a kid all the time too. I can't even like it wasn't a thing There's no way one item from there would just shred me up and it was good too. I was so hungry I was like smashing them down So anyway, did you bring anything of ours? Did you bring any of our partners and stuff like that? I did actually this time around because last year like we kind of ran into some similar problems And so I brought a bunch of like the green juice packets with me this time. Oh, there you go. Yeah So I was like passing them to them to the next morning because we were all just like Stomachs and knots. Oh, you know, I needed something to kind of bring me back to nutrient Levels. Yeah, I'll do if I if I do something I haven't done Taco Bell But if I know I'm gonna go ham like that I'll go I'll bring the organified green juice And then if he gets real bad, I'll do activated charcoal. Yeah, just to absorb whatever that's yeah But the green juice makes a big difference. Um, so it's weird though, right? It's weird. I used to be able to eat that kind of Stuff I don't get it. What was a favorite part of the trip? Um, I want to say I mean just catching up with them like we just had we You know reminiscing and whatnot these guys go back to high school. Was that how far back you guys go college? Oh college so we I mean we we really thought we were gonna like tour and do all these things like as a band and stuff and and It was just fun to to go back through all the stories of like all the dumb things that yeah All the dumb ideas we had and like like how misguided our efforts were You know trying trying to become like a a band a big thing Um, but yeah, we were just you know shooting the shit and I had this place that had like a pool and stuff So we're just hanging out there, but um, I mean, I don't know the whole trip for me. It was just great. It was uh 68 though, I just dude. I can't get them. It was uh, alabama. Mm-hmm. That's what what part again of alabama Birmingham. Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah I went to um sanctuary. Yeah, just for one night. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like the last uh You know time we're gonna go anywhere before the baby, I guess So I said let's book something. Let's do something before the you know the shit hits this and kid list too. Yeah Yeah, mom watched the little one. So just Jessica and I how was that? It was fun. We just hung out She's now late in the pregnancy. So she's I think we're like five weeks away. That's crazy. It's here already I know man. I know So we didn't do a ton, but we went we went and some yeah, we went to carmel Had a good lunch just hung out just the two of us and just had that last Like it's like we're not gonna do this for a long time. So let's do this one more time before everything Do you guys remember? first realizing That you can't eat garbage like you could before do you remember the first time that happened you because I have a distinct memory Of it for myself. Yeah, I think it was actually a Taco Bell story for me. Was it? Yeah, it was my late 20s It was like that's right around there right 20s early 30s Well, because honestly my early 20s. I was a trainer and still eating fast food Same. Yeah, I used to you know Terrible, but I used to like use it based it off how you look Yeah, and I and I used to and I used to promote to my clients like oh, you know if you get in shape and we build this muscle You you could eat this way too Yeah, that's fucking stupid. No negative effects. Yeah, they're terrible, right? Yeah, admittedly it was terrible So yeah, I think I was that way for all the way until my mid towards my late 20s And then it was really after I think it was about after Oh a year of like consistently getting out that out of my life like just completely like getting rid of it and then Reintroducing it on a on a day and thinking that like oh, it's been over a year since I've had this Let me try it and I think I probably did that two or three times in my late 20s And then about probably the third time of just like okay, and I'm even faster Like I won't even be able to finish the food and I'll have to go out of being on the toilet Like that's how quick My body will tell me if I metabolism It's that quick. I mean, I had this uh, I ordered some food this weekend Actually off that I the ordinary is a place called butter house. It looks amazing But just you know, it was done really greasy and uh, I didn't even get you know, five bites into it And it's like it's how quick it responds now for me. It was right around the same age I think it was in my late 20s. I was hanging out with one of my clients And um, I was he was like dude, he's like I need help with my my diet You know go through my cupboard take everything out that isn't good And I was teasing him because I went through his cupboard and he had captain crunch cereal So I'm like I'm gonna eat the rest is captain crunch. So you don't need it, right? And I hadn't had That kind of served in a long time. It was my late 20s and I remember I ate the bowl And then my stomach kind of hurt. I was like, huh, whatever Anyway, the next day was not a good situation to the point where I went to the doctor Oh my god Yeah And the doctor checked me and he goes, yeah, dude, you just just really messed up your gut And he goes, I don't think you should be eating captain. And I'm like, look at that. I'm an adult, you know, like 29 Yeah, I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess you're right Should be Captain Chris cereal at my age What the hell's wrong with me? Anyway, I mean, I think it's kind of a blessing in disguise I think it one of the hardest things for people that don't and and before I had that feeling is Because the body is so resilient. It does adapt and get used to that I mean, I imagine If one of us were to continue to push that and just say I have nothing else to survive on but Taco Bell and U.A Eventually the body would probably Self-regulate a little bit and you would probably be able to handle it Which I don't think that's a you know, I don't think it's an ideal situation I think it's so eye-opening that wow Just by simply clearing this out of my system and then when I reintroduce it look at how upset My stomach feels it's why I love like the whole, you know When you fast for an extended period of time and then you slowly reintroduce foods It's at that window for the next like week or two is really eye-opening on like how your body Accept certain foods because if you eat something really healthy and balanced and nutritious and it's like having a high performance car Putting low a low octane gas. Oh, here we go. So maybe seven. Oh shit. This Ferrari sounds like crap What the hell's going on right right and you're just hyper aware at that point Yeah, I think so speaking of food So Jessica was asking me about butcher boxes salmon. So My son Araleas we try we're we kind of dealing with these gut issues with him and Part of what we're doing is we're putting him on a low histamine diet. This was You know, we're recommended to us by our functional medicine You know friend and Becky Campbell bet Dr. Becky Campbell and So she asked me she goes is butcher box flash freeze their salmon I don't know the big difference between regular frozen salmon or flash frozen. I have no idea So flash freezing salmon or fish. It doesn't develop ice crystals in the meat It preserves the nutrients and actually actually when you when you cook a vacuum seal it right away They vacuum seal it and they freeze it super fast Yeah, super super cold air and freeze it super fast called flash freezing Okay, and it preserves the meat and it preserves the the freshness. So once it thaws and you cook it It's like you're eating it right then and there and I was reading articles on this It's better than buying quote-unquote fresh salmon unless you're getting salmon right off the bow Fresh salmon is usually thawed frozen salmon. So they'll catch the salmon They'll freeze it then they'll thaw it then they'll sell it to you at the grocery store It's actually better to get something that's flash frozen Because they freeze it right at the moment when it's they catch it in its process Now what's interesting to me is why that is not More well known and people don't use that as a marketing tool. It is apparently a marketing tool So butcher box that went on their website or things. Oh flash frozen. Well, okay. I didn't know about this Oh, wow, but it preserves it. There's no ice crystals. The flavor is good. It's good It's better for you and then because we're doing the slow histamine diet with my son It it creates less of the byproducts that you would get from slow freezing, which is more histamine So and that's for for people who are sensitive. That's what's the closest Like fish you guys have ever had to like like fresh out the boat Like if you can you can you think of an experience where you've actually experienced something like that Where you think it's like the freshest you've ever got a restaurant the yeah a restaurant or even I don't know if you've ever gone fishing and then cook it right up right afterwards. Have you ever had something like that? The best time I did that was when we went to boundary waters and um, it's right there on the border of like canada in minnesota and you you have these Canoes and you bring gear so we actually fished like right off the canoe and uh, we caught some some trout And then took it to the shore and we had like a little Iron skillet and some butter and salt and whatnot and literally just flayed it Gutted it and then just threw it on the right way and ate it like right away. That was the best Fish makes a difference. It makes a massive difference. So my best experience like that was in alaska And I wish I remember that was recently right when you not recently. Well, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, not that long ago right so let less than 10 years ago It was uh, katrine and I did a trip to alaska and we did it the cruise and we went into all these ports I wish I remember exactly what port it was But we went into this port and you know, you get off the boat And you don't even walk 50 yards And I think it was like joe's crab shack or something. I can't remember the name of it But you you sit in it and the back of the the kitchen is like this got this big open window And you literally watched the fishing boats come in and then wheeling these carts of moving crabs From the boat to and then the guy grabs them and then throws them in the pot right there And then they're hand then they're right into you you're eating them Is it the association because you see them You know live and then that's why i'm asking you guys because i'm wondering if it's like the association or there's I mean, no it makes a difference. It was the most amazing crab i'd ever had in my life I mean like it's not even close like the next best You know example of crab that i've had and i want it's like that doesn't get any fresher than that Yeah, if you freeze like chains and cargo if oh really yeah So if you if you traditionally freeze something ice crystals form in the meat and it changes the flavor of it The meat degrades a little bit. There's certain compounds that are produced. So can change the flavor This is just from what I read over the weekend for because I was like I said I was researching for the For butcher box I went I was in Belize And we did this little trip where a guy took us on this boat to this tiny island But on the way there there was a buoy and and the buoy was it was It showed him where there was like a little lobster trap So he said let me see if we caught anything he goes down and they caught a couple And then he put them on the boat and we went to this little island. He cooked them right there and it was amazing Amazing, right? It was amazing. It tastes so good and I'm not a huge seafood person. Yeah, I'm not at all But I love it like that. Yeah, it was really good. Wasn't that, you know speed at seafood wasn't that what? Michael Trinnell told us about The whole seafood game. Yeah, wasn't that fascinating? I know I had never heard that before I just that it's the whole, you know tuna salmon swordfish thing is like a whole marketing game Yeah, there's all these other local there's like thousands of different like types of fishes that are amazing local fish That just don't get any marketing play So I thought that was such a brilliant idea when he came up with that and I had I never knew that I just assumed that We eat the best fish because it's the best fish not because it's got a bunch of marketing Speaking of marketing and money a lot stuff. I want to hear what you because you told me earlier that I guess Tramoth on all in was talking about something about the markets or something's going on Well, did you see that he he pulled out? Um, so he's like, you know known as like the big spack guy, right? And he I mean he was he took helped Well, what's his name? Richard Branson's company, uh, you know public through his. Oh, yeah, I did hear this They took all they gave all the money back to investors. Yeah, give their money back because they can't find So I'm not I'm I'm not familiar with how often that happens. I didn't even know that was a thing Apparently it wasn't just him There's other that yeah a lot of people are following following his lead I believe and starting to like so you have all these so he runs a massive fund, right? And I think how he's he's collected. I mean hundreds of millions of dollars Let me get this straight at him because I'm not quite sure how this works They collect money from investors smaller amounts so that they could have a large fund And then they go and they go and they're interested to make that's right They go make them they go find the company so you give them the money and you say, okay I trust you to go make some good picks. Yes, and then that he came back and said there are none I'm giving everybody your money. Here's your money back and he loses tens of millions of dollars doing that Because just it was billions of dollars. Yeah, just to draw up the contracts. Wow, they must be really seeing Things that the average yeah, I mean I read an article that he said that like it's over the the era of spacks It like he's saying that what does that stand for? Uh dug helped me because I don't know the acronym off top of my head It's the SPA SPAC Yeah, let me I was looking it up. Okay. Yeah, he says that the that we had been in a bubble for the last decade And that it's just not not gonna happen anymore. Well, check this out So the s and p 500 I sent this to you guys in the group text is down 23.3 percent in the first 184 trading days of 20 22 the fourth worst start in history So this is the fourth worst start of a year in history and then A buddy of mine who's really big into investments and stuff said basically this everything bubble is gonna pop soon Everything because I wish there's nowhere safe I wish I could remember what episode and andrew would you be a champ if you actually found this But I know I said it almost a year ago. My personal prediction is 2022 is when we're gonna start to see the dip That october of 2022 would would tell us everything and I I swear that this is we're like less than a week away from That and every I mean they're already after you saw the fed came out and did another 75 basis points, right? So they did that previously which is already like we wrote that was the first time ever We had three times in a row 75 basis points But the time that here's what's why it was such bad news and why we're seeing what we're seeing right now from this time Is last time it was like speculation if it was going to be 50 or 75 basis points And they said if they went 75 basis points, then we should see inflation start to curb and we're going to be okay This time not only do they go 75 basis points, but now they're saying at least another 150 plus is coming next And because they it's inflation is not slowing down. And so this is also why to your point about the market This is why that is correcting so hard right now and next is to see the the real estate to follow It's going to get there's some people that are speculating it's going to be worse than 08 now And I would have said no way and it doesn't and you would think that okay This can't be possible because there's not these subprime loans that are floating around and stuff like that But we got we got inflated so fast so hard That well the the rate is so different now for like buying a house for example That your monthly payment. I don't remember. There was I sent it to you guys, but it was it's almost double So it went from somebody who wanted if yeah, I've seen I actually saw Patrick, but David posted also He said that the luxury housing has already dropped 28% Yeah in comparison to where it was at the mill and you see so now the people will argue that like okay Well, we've been on this climb of 20 to 30 a year and so 20 correction is really just bringing it back down a flat line So it's not as like scary. It's that if it continues down That that path that we might see one of the biggest corrections ever, but you're right Okay, so most people and I think this the stats on it are like 85 or 90 percent very high Buy houses based off of their their payment. Yeah, people most people like they don't go like oh I can afford a house that's this expensive for the next 30 years They go like I can afford this payment therefore whatever I can be unless you buy the house cash So you have to do and the example that you were showing was that just last year the exact same time interest rates for 30 Your mortgages around a 2.9 and now it's all the way it's you know We're creeping up to six and so what that looks like is somebody who Bought a half a million dollar house just last year would have the same payment as someone buying like a 250,000 dollar house today That's how that's and obviously that gets crazier more egregious as you go higher in the the price point So which is why luxury homes are probably gonna get crushed. I mean you're gonna see I think everything's gonna get crushed I don't think there's gonna be I mean obviously there's outliers that didn't climb that much that won't be but I definitely think that um, you know, it's here and the inflation I think we have it minimum of 12 to 18 months. What aren't they already saying something like Basically, it's gonna be great when we get inflation down to four or five percent Which which which is like before it was two percent was a target and I remember my my buddy told me that it goes Oh, what they're gonna do is you're gonna change Basically, what's considered acceptable inflation they're gonna say now No, I want four or five percent's good, which is double what we used to consider. Okay, right just a few years ago So well, the real scary part is also like what kind of knee-jerk reaction is You know government gonna do to try and respond to this. That's what I'm scared of because then when everybody gets all fearful Uh, this and everybody overextended themselves in the last couple years Everybody's going to have their hand out and be crying like oh my god, especially when unemployment starts to go up And so then and then we're coming into we'll be coming into an election year in the next 12 18 months And they'll be talking about getting reelected and then you know The last thing that we want to see is a president trying to get reelected by giving free pizza Just to get people to vote and because that will just exacerbate the problem even further there's already and so It's crazy to think that it's getting nasty right now and it potentially could get way way worse So I don't know what to I know. I mean the the move was to to hang tight. I mean to hold tight and to To save to stack your chips right now. We have to feel pain We have to just deflect and you know bring up all the other talking points of Whatever else, you know, that's out there that people get emotional Well, it's gonna be a lot of finger-pointing this guy that guy this party that party the reality is that everybody was Working together. This has been a 10-year process. It's been a decade both sides guilty of plus in the word flating this Special special purpose acquisition company. So it's basically to help companies go private companies go public Is the idea that's what the whole richard brant like so he took richard branson's What's his space company? I forget it says it's a company without commercial operations and is formed strictly to raise capital Through an initial public offering or the purpose of acquiring emerging with it. Yeah, and he they literally gave back That's all the money. That's the audience Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, he gave back billions of dollars and literally took it on the chin himself losing Tens of millions of dollars because just to set all those deals up Yep, and it's not a canary in a coal mine, you know, it is Oh, yeah, and you know, I was watching their episode this morning And he was they were referring back to clips that he said like over a year ago And you know One of the biggest things that he says was the indicator for him that he said a year ago And obviously it's coming true now Is that when you see people like the elon musk the bill gates, you know, these these big billionaires Selling off some of their their their most prized, you know Assets and stocks that they love so much, you know And they they tout all the time and they're and they're selling massive positions on things that they believe are going to be around For a long time It kind of tells you they're taking some cash off the table because they see the writing on the wall and You know to to not do it yourself or not think that way yourself think that this ride's going to continue that way Is a bit arrogant, right to think that you're smarter than all all these guys that it's not going to get dark pretty soon here Check this out There's a lot of companies out there that sell vitamins and minerals and supplements But the problem is Your body doesn't really absorb them really well Well, there's a company called live on labs that uses pharmaceutical grade technology lipo somal delivery technology That makes sure your body absorbs these nutrients So you don't just have expensive urine you take a product and it gets to the target tissues And right now you can get lipo glutathione for free When you bundle it with b vitamin complex and vitamin c if you go through our link So go to live on labs liv on labs dot com forward slash mp to get hooked up All right, here comes the rest of the show Our first caller is andrew from california andrew what's happening man? How can we help you? How's it going guys? Um So I have been lifting for probably four or five years now. Um Started through football. I actually went to the high school that Justin now coaches at Really and I did not Find you guys through that. I found you guys separately and then connected the dots afterwards Which was Bizarre but right on fellow cougar. Is there a picture of uh, justin in the in the weight room there? Um, I'm not sure. Oh, there is buddy Immortalized for his phone number in the bathroom stalls for a good time. Well, you know people people enjoy me Sorry, andrew go ahead continue. No, you're good. Um So after My junior year halfway through was when covet started and so Lifting kind of Took a pause for a little bit and then came back through A friend of mine. He had a home gym that we all went to um And and that's really when I dove into it and I found you guys about a year after that But I was going to school and I Met at the gym. I was going there and met a bunch of power lifters and they really indoctrinated me and so I signed up for my first power lift competition and then leading into it. I hired a coach and He's a super knowledgeable guy knows how to phase the training to kind of Stimulate high-perch fee for a while and then switch into a strength block and then peak for a meet super knowledgeable and I've learned a bunch of them as far as form and technique but Now i'm going into my second power lifting competition and the question that I have About a month and a half ago. I suffered at ac joint spring and Didn't know what it was At first did a bunch of things. I used maps prime trying to figure out What was going on couldn't figure it out Eventually talking to my coach just decided I need to go to a physical therapist Because it wasn't an imbalance or anything. She Works out of the gym that I work at now and Helped me Figure out was an ac joint spring and gave me a bunch of stability stuff to do but Now that i'm leading into my second competition that I've been preparing for like six months for it and Don't quite know how to bench with an ac joint spring we've been basically staying pain-free and That's my max all time is 275 and I Haven't been able to go over 185 without having paid um My coach like super knowledgeable knows a bunch, but doesn't have much to say other than We got a stick pain-free. We tried some technique things couldn't get that um, so right now our plan is two weeks out To kind of just see what I can do who is far singles And then just try to replicate that on meet day uh, just sucks because it's been like six months preparing for this and Don't quite know What to do. Yeah, no, okay, so um, ac joint issues are relatively common Close to home for you. Yeah. Yeah, I hadn't I had ac joint separation. So yours wasn't separated, right? It was just a sprain It was a sprain. Yeah, no tears no separation. That's good. That's very good because it can get better Mine separated. So the ac joint acromioclavicular joint. It's at the it's where the collar bone Kind of the end of the collar bone here at the top of the shoulder And there's a lot of stress being placed on it. Um in horizontal type pressing believe or not overhead pressing tends to not bother it Inclined pressing tends to not bother it. Uh dips like body weight dips and bench press and decline type stuff will probably bother it most You know, here's a deal. I know it sucks because you're preparing for this meet Um, but my suggestion is to is to wait until it's fully healed which may mean in this situation you avoid bench press for a while So we're not talking about You know, um It's you know unstable and that's why the it's sprained meaning there's an injury there You got to wait Is it it's how what are what are some of the most common reasons why someone sprains at it? The inability maybe to pack the joint and stay stable there. Is that normally why someone sprains the ac joint? You know, it's there's such an emphasis in power lifting with the bench press that you start to develop imbalances With your pressing and the arch of the bench And the way you're positioning yourself that ac joint is just placed in a lot of with all that volume It's just placed under a lot of um a lot of stress now. I didn't do mine benching I did mine because I placed my arm back in jujitsu and hit the ground real hard And so you'll see ac joint separations like football and sports like that But power lifters often will get pain in the ac joint And you got to lay off the bench for a while now what you can do is you could do incline presses incline dumbbell presses You could do overhead presses, which will maintain Some of your bench strength But I would avoid competing in the bench press until you're like a hundred percent And you're young and I know this is like exciting and you're competing but What you don't want to do is get to the point where you have to have it get resected because then you'll never get a hundred percent of the stability Can have your shoulder so like The left my left shoulder I have the I have the ac joint was resected Now I've got it back to like 90 of its original stability, but I'll never get back to a hundred percent because now that joint's gone Look how buff sals gives a bench with 135 all the time all the time. That's his max in one hand though Yeah, so uh no, but you know all joking aside You're gonna probably have to avoid benching for a while. So I would suggest if you want to continue to compete maybe You compete in a single exercise meet, you know, like a deadlift Or squat sometimes they have those Or Just Just chalk it up go to the meet work your way back Do a do a real light bench and then just look and see how heavy you can squat and deadlift And your total is not going to be great because your bench is going to be so low But so what you're still learning the skill. You're still competing You're still part of the of powerlifting But you got to wait for it to heal man because if you keep benching Through this process you may not you may prevent it from really getting a hundred percent And um, I know what it feels like like I said to be on the other end of that You don't want to get to the point where And that's what I did. I ignored it. I ignored it and I kept working over it and working around it And pushing and pushing and then it became a full separation So I think I think uh, I think you're not going to like anybody's answer at you I think you were we're all going to probably tell you something really someone I think the best advice Sal to to kind of like Coming from an athletic background. I know how shitty that is you've been training for something You're excited. You're seeing progress in your lifts like you're feeling pretty good Then you have this injury and it's like, uh, that competitive side of you still wants to compete So I think the advice that you just gave is probably The best advice where I still feel like I could go compete even though I probably know I'm going to take an L because I'm not going to be able to put up a good bench number But I would still go through the process and I would just accept that I would just say, you know what? I'm going to I'm going to keep training. I'm going to lay off the bench. I'm going to I'm going to go in there I'm going to bench a number that is so much lower than my max Just to get in there and and to be able to compete and I'm really focused on my deadlift and my squat going Going into this meet and then letting my My ac joint heal. So that's probably the best advice That I think all of us are probably going to give I don't think unless Justin you have something different No, I mean, it's it's one of those things where Yeah, as an athlete you're you're trying to overcome everything So this is like, you know another one of those things you look at as adversity where you have to kind of push through but When it comes to like something you could end up Preventing you from competing further like this is like a more of a conversation of like what is your Future look like in terms of competition and you know, how serious are you going to take this? Or is this just the experience that you're wanting to get out of it? then I would say what you know, they're talking about in terms of still going through the process of competing and You know, like doing it a very minimal weight in terms of it, you know affecting and hurting You know what you already have going on. I mean, I would pretty much just solely focus on rebuilding yourself and and getting your your body back to optimal Form and and that's tough to hear. Yeah, I know Andrew the way you feel you're super Focus and motivated and it feels like man, this is awesome. I don't want to I've been preparing for this I don't want to avoid it. I don't want to have wasted all that time But if you take a if you take a couple steps back Focus completely on rehabbing And still do the other exercises and you can still train like I said, I'm assuming like you probably feel okay with an incline press Right that probably doesn't bother it Yeah, it's only at like the very top if I'm fully locked out above that it does But the entire range of motion feels fine. Yes, I've been doing a bunch of incline Without fully locking out at the top. Okay, so I mean you could still work out those muscles But really focus on rehab. So you take a couple steps back. What is that going to allow you to do though? It'll allow you to compete later on in the future Now if you're like a professional athlete and this is the super bowl and you got a sprained ac joint And that's your job. Well, okay, take some anti-inflammatories Put some tape on and then go for it and you're sacrificing your body You're making a million you know millions of dollars. I could see that but you're a young kid I know it feels super important to you right now, but it's it's probably not worth it So I would focus entirely on rehab train the rest of the body and Allow yourself to compete, you know, a lot of time left. Yeah to really come back with with with some thunder So it's it's all about like how much effort you put into it right now That's going to help rebuild you back and and get you further than you would have got Yeah, the weaknesses of powerlifting are it's it's strengths. It's strengths are it focuses on these big Movements it's really effective movements. You get strong at them. You build good muscle But the weakness is it's it's three movements And there are other things you could train around but it really just competes in three movements And so you tend to see issues similar issues across the board with people With those types of sports and injuries in powerlifting over time are pretty high Mainly because it's it's it's complicated like any sport, right? You're competing at a high level So if you want to be able to do this in the future Focus entirely on rehab I would go to that physical therapy is the best thing you could do physical therapists are the best When it comes to stuff like this, they're better than any Coach you're going to work with or anything like that. I would work with the physical therapist and wait till you're 100% before you really push it okay, um second part of the question as far as my coach does my program and currently and I want to kind of switch towards more unilateral training like you guys been talking about with map symmetry How would you on like a You're all experienced coaches if you had a client who wanted to kind of switch things up. How would you Most want them to come approach you With something like that like I want to talk to him about Running map symmetry or switching up towards that does he listen to the show? He's not. Oh, good luck. You know, he's he's a powerlifting coach, right? Yes, um, he is so I met him as a friend first and then He coached three or four people And he coaches himself. He actually has a couple us a PO national records. So he's yeah, I wouldn't so I would um, so I would not Give you advice that would counter what he's saying in terms of powerlifting. He's he's gonna be a better powerlifting coach than me Not to mention he's got you right in person I mean, we would all agree that that's a better a better coach than even us, right? Yeah over here You know through podcast or whatever. I mean you could run symmetry. You could run symmetry by yourself That's what I would do. I would finish the to the meet with him afterwards Take a break for a while from him run symmetry by yourself since all of the coaching and stuff that we have in there and I think you would benefit from unilateral training and also the Isometric component that's in there. I think those would both be extremely valuable to you Follow the program and then then get back with him afterwards Andrew, what's your best lift by the way between squat deadlift and bench? Which one do you do best at in your age and weight category? Uh squat right now. Okay. Well, you know what? Why don't you why don't you find yourself a squat meet? They have meets where you could just do a single lift. You don't have to do all three That'll that that way you could still compete, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, the problem is it's uh, I already signed up. It's october october 20 seconds. So it's less than a month away Um Okay, well, you don't have to do it. Um, or you could do what I said and just bench real light and then do Yeah, I think that's I think that's the best advice. I mean, I think you still go there I mean, you're you're you're gonna be able to see who does the best squat Who does the best deadlift there and you know, who gives a shit about the the little trophy They give us and all that bullshit. You know what I'm saying? It's like that. You're competing against yourself You're trying to improve You're going to see how you you line up You know, you're not going to be able to add your bench in there really because of how how light you're gonna have to go So how old are you Andrew? I'm 19. Oh my god. Yeah, you got like so much time. You got like you're gonna be strong You're gonna be so much stronger in 10 years It's not even funny like take your time and be and be careful Don't don't this is like this is however strong you are now is not even close to where you're gonna be your body man In 10 years. Yeah, you're good. You're good, man. We'll send you map symmetry. By the way, if you don't have that, okay Thank you. You got it, man. All right, man. Thanks for calling in Yeah, thank you guys. You got it. All right, dude Yeah, I mean you guys know what that feels like. It's like it's everything. It's a total buzzkill Yeah, deliver that news, but that's what he's here and it's hard to turn off that focus Right when you're when you have that mindset where you're like, I'm gonna do this thing Yeah, and you're in that mindset The mindset basically says Nothing will get in my way and that's a good competitive mindset if you want to succeed in anything That's a good mindset. However You have to know when to turn it off. It's really hard to turn it off Because now you're like, uh, well, I'm gonna injure myself. Which means I can't compete again But I I'm not gonna let anything stop me. So you're in this like, what do I do this struggle? Like I'm gonna finish this thing out because I'm so committed But then it's gonna hurt me and I won't be able to do again This is where I look at there's an added element of responsibility on the coaches to really like maintain that kind of integrity of like not being like, yeah, just push through like because athlete is always gonna Well a good athlete, so I was gonna have that mentality that this is just diversity. I could just push my way through it I'm still gonna compete. I'm still gonna do my best, you know, and that's what you want out of your athlete But as a coach, you know, is this really setting them up for success? Or is this like deterring them from then being able to pursue things in the future? Well, it sounds like his coach had already told them the back off They were doing incline stuff So it sounds like the coach knows we're doing what it sounds like to me was He's already got his answer for mom and he's coming to dad And wants to see if dad has a 19 years old Same answer. Yes, I would have been I mean, he's way better than I would have been at 19 I wouldn't even have called anybody. I'm doing it anyway, you know, I mean, you know case some point. I had to have surgery So yeah, I mean, what are some stuff? I mean the thing that comes to mind for me is like priming before he works out like the wall circles doing like overhead carries Maybe The shoulder Working on that depression of the scapula working on all the stabilizer muscles external rotation and just overall stability But you know because it's such a bench press is so limited by itself And you're always especially when you create this arch you create this kind of force We're want to push your shoulder up and out and that's what causes the problem Well, yeah And and isn't the the answer to this is is building a very bulletproof Shoulder just by getting back by and with lots of stability and strength because I mean, he's not he's not weak Right, he obviously he probably benches good weight and that he but he's lifting in the same plane all the time And so getting into the more kind of performance based exercises that we have in maps performance Getting into the things like the stuff in prime and like getting good at that and overhead carry So you can kind of bulletproof that shoulder. I mean, he's 19 years old. That's where my head goes right away It's like you need to spend your time doing all that especially since you're nowhere close to your peak You're gonna get way stronger exactly our next caller is arnold from tennessee arnold. What's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, how are you doing? I just want to say real quick that after numerous years of watching Countless youtube videos on fitness wellness and etc. I ran across the mind pump Channel a couple months ago and you guys instantly became my favorite Yeah Winnie I went for a guy that looked didn't ever listen to podcasts to listen to you guys on a daily basis So I'm real quick on it's not because we're really good. It's because everyone else sucks really bad We're the type of shit pile. Yeah. All right. Sorry. Go ahead and toss midget. Let's go All right, thanks arnold continue absolutely so going into the question is For numerous years. I've been doing the Six to eight meals a day Trying to get my protein intake in and then after doing that for quite a while I developed I you know, I gained a little Some pounds I kind of wanted to get rid of so I went into Tried intermittent fasting about seven weeks ago. It began seven weeks ago. I lost 30 pounds rapidly It's been absolutely amazing the mood's been elevated. It's the best sleep that I've gotten since I was a teenager My relationship with food is the best it's ever been in my entire life So now that my body's kind of adapted to intermittent fasting and I'm not losing any more weight I'm going to stay I want to stick to doing the 16 8 if But I'm concerned how When I'm only eating three meals a day, how can I meet my daily protein requirement? I'm 144 pounds and I try to get the one gram per pound But how can I meet that requirement with three meals a day? And is there a way to improve how much protein can be absorbed per setting given that you studies Indicate that's only 20 to 35 grams per setting. Yeah, okay So there's a couple of things there Arnold first you said all the right stuff about intermittent fasting now I switched my mind as you were talking at first you said I lost weight with intermittent fasting I don't like fasting for weight loss because it could actually promote Um a bad relationship with food. It can promote bad behaviors However, you did say things that then made me change my mind You feel better. You have more energy. You're sleeping better You have a better relationship with food in which case I say, okay There's then in this case it sounds like it's all right now. You said you weighed 144 pounds I'm assuming you meant 244 pounds. You don't look like a hundred Oh, sorry. Yes. Uh, I used to weigh 274 and now I weigh 244 Okay Now I did want to comment on your absorbing your question about absorbing protein That's actually false. You can eat far more protein and absorb all of it It's really up to how well you digest it and how you feel So this will be different from person to person So if you eat, you know 60 grams of protein at a meal and you feel okay And you digest it. Okay. You don't notice any bloating or constipation or or Gastro issues totally fine. Nothing wrong with that. The other thing is that you're 244 pounds You can eat a gram of protein per pound of body weight But also you you can also just use lean body mass I mean, do you know what your body fat percentage is sitting at? Do you have any idea where you're where you're kind of at? No, and that's why that I've been kind of doing the one per pound thing Okay, I think I think some of the stays indicate. What is it 0.7 per lean mass? Yeah, I'd guess you'd be okay hitting 200 grams a day would be 200 would be plenty Yeah, 200 200 a day which was that 65 roughly or 67 roughly a a meal For three meals and so just a bump your serving size So if you normally eat, you know, six to eight ounces of meat with your meal do, you know, 10 to 12 And then to Sal's point pay attention to your digestion because some people can't Sometimes that is a lot of meat or maybe they can't handle red meat that way But then if they do like turkey or chicken, it doesn't bother them at all So pay attention to what digests well for you and sits well after you eat that And then just bump your meat bump the size of your portion size of your meat and you'll be fine And you're a perfect example of somebody who I totally don't mind Following like a 16 eight intermittent fasting window permanently because it works well for your life It's improved your relationship with with food And I think all we just need to do is just bump the ounces of meat that you're eating each meal Yeah, the other thing I would say too is you don't want to necessarily I get the structure around intermittent fasting, no worries I get the structure on intermittent fasting and why How it can help some people, okay? But you don't want to get so obsessed with it that you're Trying to fit everything into this window to the point where now that starts to feel like I'm stuffing myself It feels yeah dysfunctional like It really isn't that big of a deal if you add a fourth meal and you know outside of that window It really isn't that's a great point. So because let's say let's say we did I bumped your protein You come back here. It's like, oh man, I just add them. I feel lethargic after these meals It's just too much in one sitting. It just doesn't sit well me I'd say hey, let's uh, let's cut your fast two hours earlier and eat a fourth meal That's literally how I'd solve it like there's nothing Magical about the 16 I know all the books and stuff like they try and sell it like it's this magical number for you It's like nah What matters right now is you've improved your relationship with food. You're eating you're making better choices You're eating balanced meals and if we are struggling with getting enough protein in your day I would simply cut your I would expand your eating window by two hours And front load another meal in there. That's high in protein That's so that's how I would solve that if the eating bigger portion size Doesn't sit well for with you and you don't like that Yeah, it's really just about like paying attention to your body's feedback constantly because I mean I went through this for a while I was like religious about you know eating within this window And it you know to the point where I was doing it for about a year And I could feel I could feel like especially if I was cutting out breakfast for that long I just didn't have that same energy after a while So it changed my body reacted to it differently after a while So just you know keep in mind that you know, it may not always You know keep working for you like it's working currently So just uh, you know to make sure you pay attention on yeah And you know the benefits of fasting that you'll read about the cell autophagy The reduced inflammation neurogenesis neurogenesis. I mean that's that's really comes from the reduced calorie intake Now there are cases. We're not eating at all Even when everything else is controlled is beneficial especially with people with like inflammatory gut issues um, sometimes that's a good idea, but um, aside from the Food relationship and dare I say spiritual aspects of fasting which can have tremendous benefits for the right people Aside from that the physiological benefits When all the calories and macros are controlled and so long as you're not eating too close to dinner to sleep and all that stuff It really doesn't make that that big of a difference In fact, you know, some people what what they'll do is they'll start with intermittent fasting Works for a while then they run into what Justin runs into where They're they're just their cortisol gets a little out of whack. They need to eat something in the morning It was too catabolic Yeah, they start doing that and then they say they figure oh, you know what once a month when I do a 48 hour fast That seems to work best for me I get the benefits of the fasting, but it happens once a month with 48 hours or something along those lines So have that flexibility within your mindset Um and and take it from there, but as far as the protein is concerned I mean you could try the bigger meals 60 to 65 grams of protein in a meal Is probably going to be very satiating personally that might make me feel a little stuffed If you start to feel like you're force feeding yourself to make it work I would just add an extra meal. I would say I would add an extra meal and cut the fast by a few hours Excellent excellent. I read prior to running across the mind pump channel on youtube and on spotify I ran across someone recommending taking digestive enzymes to assist with protein absorption Is that a myth or is it actually some no that can help that can definitely help especially as you age So as we age we start producing less of these digestive enzymes. It's a very Safe Easy supplement to take very inexpensive. We work with the company. You take it almost every time. I take them with larger meals I take we work with a company called mass enzymes. I like them. I think they're more dedicated to creating enzymes for athletic populations So it won't hurt and what you'll do when you take them you'll notice if they help or not So you'll use them and you'll know within a week like this is this is I like this or not or I notice no difference in which case don't take them anymore But especially for people who consume larger meals Um, and especially as we age you start to see some benefits from consuming digestive enzymes Especially if you have things like your gallbladder removed or any type of gut inflammatory issues Okay All right. Well, that's awesome. I really appreciate this opportunity gentlemen Thank you for what you're doing for the health and fitness community. Yeah, thank you. Arnold. Appreciate it, man. Thank you What if he was captain america? Retired. Yeah. It's like I was the guy that hung up my shield, you know, um It's so funny like as soon as he said intermittent fasting. I lost weight. I was like, oh, I'm gonna tell him This is the wrong thing to do and then he was saying all those stuff like, okay No, he said the right things. Yeah, he said he said I would totally let him stay Same but and just in great advice too because Uh, and it doesn't mean he doesn't work forever. Well, and what you both kind of touched on that I think is such an important point to go back to is that More than and this by the way this applies to Uh vegans carnivore diet or keto diet Exactly the the part that this person is the success that he's having is less about the intermittent fasting And it's more about the calorie reduction the consistency with the balanced meals Over and losing 30 pounds. That's why he feels so good. He could have done it through keto He could have done it through vegan and moral and most likely now What's okay, too is to say that hey, this is what works He's maybe he's tried those other diets and those didn't work for him But this eating window thing worked really well with him and he said some the right things It's improved my relationship with food. I've never ate so well. My sleep is other good. Like oh, dude Let's stick to this but also let's not be so married to the protocol That now we're force-feeding you in three meals and you're like, oh my god Adam to hit 200 grams It hurts my gut. Okay. Well, then let's expand your eating window by two hours and add another meal in there You know, so it's just that's the problem with all the diets is people they have good success Like he has had and then we become married to that like as it was the end all be all for you And it's like no, that's not really why you felt really good. That's even true for workouts You're not the same person That you wore five years ago or even maybe last week, right? So things change your life changes your body changes And what happens we do something and it works really well and it tends to stick in our mind Like man, I got in the best shape of my life when I did x y and z well That doesn't mean it's going to be get you the best shape of your life now 10 years later You know things change and uh, it tends to get us to ignore the signals of our body Well, this is why people become so staunch about it too because they had success like heaven forbid You try and tell them otherwise because like I barely know the guy, right? And if I all said make that assessment like oh, it's not the diet. You're like, fuck you I tried this I tried this I tried this this is the only thing that worked and it worked amazing Like I'm not gonna listen some guy tell me this isn't this isn't it for me. Yeah, you gotta check yourself before you wreck yourself Our next caller is ben from north carolina ben what's happening man? How can we help you? Hey guys, um, so first of all, uh, I just want to thank you for having me on I've been on the show before and the fact I wasn't even that long ago So the fact that you're having me on again, uh speaks a lot about y'all's willingness to provide continued support to all of us Knuckleheads out there. So, uh, we all really appreciate that a lot. Thank you. All right Yeah, absolutely. Um, so I am kind of at a loss with my training and could use some direction a little background. I'm 34 I'm 511 165 pounds. I've been training for about four years really consistently from the last two For a long time it was doing kind of like jacorages programming. It's very much like, um, Lower training six eight reps not a lot of barbell. This is not being joint friendly and Protecting the shoulders and stuff and then over the past year to switch to some of the map style stuff I have anabolic. I have performance and I have prime I've run into some issues that have kind of impeded my ability to progress lately, which are um for one my shoulder I have problems pressing So right here on the front part of my shoulder I have problems pressing right there and lest I do like lots and lots and lots of ramp upsets Uh, or focus really really hard on trying to train around but that pain just always kicks in Um, and I've had to really scale back any kind of forward pressing stuff And then I also have on this shoulder back here. Um, which I think is either like mid-trap or rhomboid right along the border The scapula is just this chronic like ache and stiffness that kicks in a lot not when I'm working up But just throughout the day and I saw luna pt for that. Um, and we weren't really able to address it She basically told me to just stop lifting for a while. She said just use five pound dumbbells You know and so I did for a little while and pain went away and then low and behold when I started training again the pain came back And then on my left shoulder, I have pain on this top part right here In the lowering portion of overhead pressing So I even if I use like light resistance bands, it feels good on the way up and then on the way down I start to feel pain. Um, so that's my shoulders I've never really been able to do the overhead barbell pressing because it just my shoulders don't like it Same with a straight barbell bench pressing Um, and then my low back leaves me pain Some things when I deadlift I straight bar deadlifting has always been an issue I have to be like really really really methodical and attentive to technique and even then sometimes I still always Have seen the tweak it which bleeds into my squatting as well Um, I I know you guys have said thoracic Lack of mobility can cause compensation down there Uh, so I know that I have some stiffness and thoracic spine that I've been working on as well So, you know, just with those problems plus I have some sleep and adrenal type of shoes I'm trying it which means I have to scale back the intensity with which I train so I can recover I just kind of all these different things. I'm trying to juggle and I'm just not Kind of not sure feeling a little directionless about how to move forward. What do you do? What do you do for work, Ben? So, uh, I'm I'm a bartender that for right now, but I'm actually um training to be a health coach and exercise professional So my head is filled with knowledge which doesn't make this any easier, you know, but um, yeah bartending For work right now So the most the the the red flag or should I say that one of the more important things that you said was sleep and adrenal issues So when I when I work with someone and it's and I hear Pain in one area then pain in another area then pain somewhere else And it's like oh my gosh There's all these areas that tend to bother this individual Then what what tends to scream at me is that there's just there's too much stress on the body overall Just overall too much stress you have to scale it way down And focus really on getting your body back to normal back to healthy. So what does that look like? Um, I'm not sure You depending on the program you're following I would cut the volume way down map symmetry, bro Yeah, and map symmetry now that see map symmetry would be great However, I don't know if even that's too much volume considering some of what you're talking about I would cut the volume way down. I'm going to send you map symmetry because I think that'll be the best program for you But I'll cut but keep it moderate intensity at highest And keep the volume down So whatever if we say we ask for three sets or four sets cut the volume down to one or two sets And wait for your body to heal because your body's talking to you and yes, there's there's definitely Acute specific issues we can focus on but the bigger picture looks like your body just overall is having a tough time Um adapting to whatever stress is you're putting upon it and remember stress Can be lack of sleep. It could be lifestyle. It could be Diet it could be gut issues. That's often an issue So try to figure out what you know, what are these these stressors? Get your body back to homeostasis and then you can ramp up the volume So I don't think you should stop exercising But I do think you should really really cut the volume down really cut the intensity down and focus on getting your body back to We're starting to feel good and also to you know, as far as the shoulder Issues and instability and and so you said you had prime or prime pro I have prime. Yeah prime. Okay. So and you're doing the wall test specifically in Okay, in in some like shoulder circles and things to identify I think that um, you know really taking An approach there with map symmetry with adding in Other like Addressing a lot of those instability. So say like a bottoms up kettlebell press where now, you know I have to like the entire intention of that exercise is to address lateral stability in the shoulder The same thing being like, you know, any of the rotation elements of instability So taking a kettlebell or a dumbbell and doing a you know, a halo with that And just kind of working very gradually on addressing where that You know where that lies where I can kind of peer into More to to gain that kind of you know muscle tension to support around the shoulder and bullet proof it. So You know, that would be my two suggestions as well as like overhead carries and really just like gradually taking that You know approach of just like trying to maintain support and packing the shoulder problem I want to I want to make sure though, ben you understand what I'm saying though is don't do more So what justin saying right now Is changing what you're doing? Yeah, regressing it down to addressing the instability. Don't throw more on top You said adrenal issues. I want to ask you. How do what do you what do you mean by that? Or how do you mean by that? Did you get tested for hormones and No, so basically through all my research and you know, the the years of trial and error and stuff like that And also my training some I'm a board certified health coach. So I've gone through I have a lot of different like Pieces of resources to show what adrenal symptoms look like You know, like waking up tired, even if you've already slept night Just fatigue throughout the day like like lightheadedness when you stand up too fast those are all symptoms of like low blood pressure from adrenal issues and You know needing caffeine to get going in the day, you know, even though I don't drink that much You know, and and I totally hear what you're saying about doing less And you're very big about doing less and I have been doing less for like the last couple months To just try and like find what that sweet spot is of like what volume is enough that I can recover adequately But also don't like quit entirely and it's been this like Delicate dance I'm doing Have you got fatigue type of stuff Ben? Have you gotten tested for? Specifically for your hormones and any nutrient deficiencies and if you had any gut health tests done Yeah, I guys so I did the minerals and metals test and the um candida metabolic test through the cabral people And they you know, we kind of got somewhere but the main takeaway was that more testing is needed Yeah, okay So I would I would really work with them because it because what you're telling me right now Sounds like your body has an inability at the moment to deal with stress And you've already cut down things over the last two months and you still feel crappy Yeah, yeah that screams to me that there's something that were that you haven't identified yet And unless you identify it doing more or less or whatever I mean you could get to the point where you do so little you start to feel kind of okay But then like what do you do you got to live there? so um So I would work with dr. Cabral's team and get to the bottom of this figure out what the root is It could be a gut issue I mean it really could be as easy as a gut issue and treating that and figuring out kind of what's going on there It could also be I mean you did the toxicity test. I think you said So I would go further with them and really find the root cause because it again What's what's coming to me off what you're saying is your body's seems to have an inability to deal with stress at the moment Yeah, I mean that's been it's been a Long long-standing journey of doing the detective work just like trying out like like you know I've taken a couple of their gut health protocols as per the recommendation of health coach and You know, it's kind of like 50 50 if I actually like got much out of it. You know, so I'm just I'm you know I'm never up on it, but it's just that's just kind of where I'm at right now Yeah, we reframed the way you feel and think about it right now I know it can be frustrating and feel daunting and so I thought but just you know because of the profession you're going Going into Ben. This is what's going to make you a great health coach. Yeah, absolutely I mean I see it as an opportunity to learn because I'm going to deal with people who have these kinds of problems That's right. Yeah, that's right. So and I agree with sal Dive deeper into cabral stuff. I mean the guy is just a wealth of knowledge So as much as you can go through with him and learn from him to help that and then eventually I do think that the program is symmetry. So I know Doug's going to send symmetry over to you because Uh, and that that's addressing all the shoulder stuff that we're talking about I just think the the unilateral work the isometric work that's in there is going to be ideal for you And then complimenting it with prime which you already have so I do think that's a move But I do think that if you don't solve the root cause that's going on And it could be something gut related that that cabral could help you with Then it doesn't matter what we send you program wise you're going to keep running the same Yeah, and I'm guessing to the best of my ability, but the testing is what's going to tell you You know, I remember I had a client once who had these kind of neurological You know, uh issues she would feel like tingling and pain or fingertips And we couldn't we couldn't figure out what's going on and she thought she had to take more b vitamins Maybe there's a well. Anyway, just finally convinced her to do lots and lots of testing it took a while You know what you know what it was she was taking too many b vitamins It was the opposite of what she thought so had she not done all that testing She would have never figured it out and it would have been one of these lifelong kind of issues, you know So I'd say go through all the testing they recommend And get to the bottom and once you figure that out, um, then your body's ability to adapt to stress We'll get back to normal You can start training again Yeah, okay cool. And so regarding symmetry just, you know Don't you know scale back the volume and intensity But still be active just that's that's the style of movement you would recommend Yes, yes, yes, but I would put I would put the I would put uh the functional medicine though at the core of everything that you're doing So if they say we want you to stop everything right now, I would listen to them Yep, sure. I'm happy to do that. Okay All right, Ben. Thanks for calling in man. Yeah, thanks for your help guys. No problem Yeah, that's a that's a that's a tough one But I you could tell after you could see it through his energy and stuff as he's talking That's why I told him the reason yeah, he's frustrated. That's why I was trying to tell him the reframe Well, I could just also see that he's his body seems fatigued, you know And he's talking about shoulder pain and shoulder pain the back pain than this I'm like, oh, your your body's not adapting. Well, there's something it's just screaming at you Yep, it's just screaming at you from all angles and it's less about all those areas and it's more about what's going on inside Sure, yeah, I mean pressures the hinges of that point These are the guys though to end up these guys and girls that make incredible coaches That's true You know because they went through so much trying to solve all these issues and problems and then And then when they do I mean they have they have an ability to communicate At an even deeper level than I can communicate this information to him because he's gone through this journey And there's a lot of people that do this that just they think it's the shoulder They think it's this and there's this underlining issue that they're not addressing when I had my my my worst gut issues I had to devote a year a year to to solving that issue And that meant I didn't train the way I used to like to train that meant I couldn't eat the way I like to eat But after that year it was like I got back to normal now I could have ignored it and pushed and cut the volume down and try to do all this stuff and It would have just it would have never fixed itself So you got to get the root to the root cause and if you're noticing chronic Compiling issues Then it may not be the shoulder it may not be the hip it may not be the knee and maybe something deeper That's preventing your body from being able to adapt well I remember how hard it was in that environment of like being a bartender like to get adequate sleep Kind of stress that brings so it's like, you know Maybe a product of the environment it's on top of other things So yeah, it just has to get down to what's really causing it all Look if you like mind pump head over to mind pump free.com and check out our guides We have free guides on that that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal You can also find all of us on social media So Justin is on instagram at mind pump Justin Adam is also on instagram at mind pump adam and you can only find me on twitter at mind pump cell This one's really important and that is to phase your training if somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press And they're always aiming for five reps if you compared that person to a person who did bench press where they did Three or four weeks of five reps But then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and three or four weeks of let's say 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw on some supersets At the end of that year, you're going to see more consistent progress From the person who's moving in and out and less injury. That's another thing. You'll see less injury as well