 I remember Dr. Clarence Grave or the chairman in 1981 and on Saturday morning he had this routine of taking a ride at Irreform looking at what is going on and there were many scientists used to work even on Saturdays in the field. And that was the season in April 1981 I think that was the time that I was trying to convince myself and also present the experimental evidence whether hybrid rides would be a practical option for the tropical rice farmers. And I was looking at my trial and about maybe around 11 o'clock in the morning and he passed by and he stopped I saw him in the field I showed him the trial and showed him certain hybrids that were just experimental hybrids and compared to the high yielding varieties like Iyer 36, Iyer 42 and so on and when he saw it that time when he was really convinced that yes there is something to it and then he had aligned with Nile Brady after that visit and during that he mentioned that I saw this hybrid program in the area and it looks like there is some promise and then the following week after the board meeting was over then Nile kind of organized a GU scientist meeting and visit to that experimental plot and I think that was the kind of turning point when the management as well as the board of trustees got convinced that yes this is something serious that we should make a commitment. Thank you.