 to get a venue that you know it's that'll that'll just lead you know would support that style of rock from from the 70s and 80s I'll go 80s to you but is there an appetite there for it well I mean like Metsub and Karmic could a gigs all the time yeah and like we go we will go to anything like from a few months a few weeks ago we went to Echo in the Bundyman but also we'll go to see front ends to see idols we went we were we were standing near the front for Billie Eilish when she made a picnic but in terms of like you know the kind of music that we play I mean it's in the rock I mean the next single the current single would be less flavored by kind of 70s punk and more flavored by possibly Jesus Mary chain Tom Patty yeah and like other stuff we're doing has even a country feel to it there's there's funk elements to what we do as well so like it isn't like that was you know the single which which we want to put out first you know we just thought it was a banger as they say and we will get that out and we got a lot of play on you know on radio from from Highland and from Nova to Marty and things like that but like in terms of venues there's you know Wilins the Wild Duck you know Thomas House places in Dublin there's lots of places for indie rock bands to play and I have to say I should I'll cut across you there for a second Danny because you know and as you know like that the kind of the marked names you know of as they mentioned proteins and murder capital and the lads like that who you know are you know they're up to their teeth in in in post-punk and they just do it loyally and beautifully but there are other bands knocking about the certainly that like the likes of Meltz and Sun Machine who are just dedicated to their foes pedals and they have psych rock and they've got other influences going on and you're just hearing like some really 80s kind of alternate stuff coming too and they're all playing live I mean they were all chomping at the best present and these are guys who've been they were doing the smaller stages electric break before lockdown and they're they're out of the traps like you wouldn't believe now and they're they're in the sugar club and they're putting their own gigs on and they're putting their money where their mouth is and and they're filling the venues so as you're saying is there an appetite there certainly is I'm delighted to hear that because Dublin is a buzz and it's nice to see live music back again and I'm sure you you know you've probably was both done it with your own contribution to journalism you've noticed a big shift in things that have of lit well I think like this is what me and karmic agree on this is currently like say the past five years let's say at the most exciting time I've ever remembered you know covering music like I've been writing the column for 17 years and like it's easily the most exciting you can go to see a very good gig in a small venue any in loads of places in Dublin and Cork and Galway and Limerick and Miguel and Slego it's all over the country there's pockets of good music fans it doesn't matter what you like there's pockets of good music fans all over this this country in every county north and south I mean like a band you you have on you know a really like a wood burning savages yeah like you're on tonight you know Paul and the lads they're fantastic band and they they play in the north and they come down to Dublin play one most brilliant play bands you'll see all the friends of ours from Derry Touts happy to give them a shout out yeah they're a great band you know like and they play all around Dublin and Britain and Belfast and really like that it's the most health most healthiest I can remember and like there's there's other like it isn't just male testosterone driven rock there's like actually Kinsey and Denise Chyla and people like that like and it's just the healthiest I can remember Paul to be honest with you that's brilliant to know and the thing about it is when the when the lockdown came we were off air here at night for a couple of years but I never seen as much music in St. Daly with people who had time in their hand to record time in their hand to double with different genres you know it was just amazing it was really you know but now as you say there's an opportunity now to get it out there and I think there's people who are just chomping at the but to get it at good gigs you know and the quality is I got goes for it to say just to go back to the question about us playing live yeah you know and McCronham and said it's such a drum tracks you got your you know you can you can get the laptop out you can play you don't necessarily need it but I just think if I go to a live band and if I was to go to see if I was going to see two of us play I wouldn't want them with drum tracks or backing tracks you know you want the whole thing you want the drum kit you want the real thing I get that I get that totally there's a rawness there Kormie there's a rawness that you don't get with backing tracks and you don't get with electric drums and stuff no you don't get it at all I think some of your peers if they're getting but they're into the full stage production you want to give as good as they're given to you know yeah and tell me if I moved to yourself just then I moved to you Kormie growing up in and around Lifford in that area you know what bands would you have looked up to years ago well like I was influenced very much by what like the youngest of my family my brother John my my sisters Marie and trees what they brought to the house and that varied from like horse lips left that one initially and then when punk came in it was sex pistols class typical fingers the undertones and then I kind of developed my own kind of taste and got into the Bimpton Raps and the Jam and Shant69 the Spranglers bands like that but you kind of evolved then like and other people influenced you like I was a huge fan of the Smiths yeah you know Prince and things like at R.E.M. and like for my own band in the 80s was the Balabapai girl through the Gillespie and we played locally we played original material all around Donegal and Sligo and Derry and and from that you know you know at the theatre in Dublin and then went down to Cork and joined the band did you know like and that's where Metcarmic was it was it the music it sort of drove you to leave or give you you know that appetite to spread your wings as they say musically what was the music is that but done it for you to move away to different venues or different styles or yeah pretty much I mean we got we got good support you know like even look we were playing original material in the 80s you know I'm really edging myself you know like I remember the White House in Balabapai and like the downtown in Letter Kenney and the Gillespie in Letter Kenney heading in from Sligo the door bar Derry you know we were playing there we were playing the original material and we were playing often and like I also act and I got the National Youth Theatre went to Dublin and then went down to Cork and was in a band there called Second Chapter and there was this band who were younger than us and frankly a lot of the times I thought better than us called Mahogany Men and like if you can't beat them join them and like my thing was like first of all we the always played support us and generally blues at the stage not all the time but sometimes and I thought whenever my band spits up I wouldn't mind a piece of that action and that's where Cormac comes in I think use I think for the sound of things you're you're gearing up to go live I can see you go live and taking it out there why not sure why not Cormac yourself growing up musical influences along the same lines it was certainly it will go the same way because I was you know one of the younger siblings you kind of following the footsteps of the old person you were getting the the Beatles and the Stones very early doors my dad who he might have been at sea all his life so he would have come back bringing in 45s and vinyl from that that you wouldn't necessarily hearing around the place but as I sort of matured myself a bit I was certainly you know and like Danny said there's horse lips and the Celtic stuff was all around but I was drawn to Adam and the ants like one of the earliest bands I thought was just fantastic Adam and the ants well they came from t-rex and my the whole glam rock thing was a big part of what I like growing up yeah but then one of the first couple of live gigs I went to would have been the Jesus Mary chain or the Border Boys so you know it just I was a huge boy or not boy fan Mark Bowlin fan I just like Bowlin was just something else and tragic and still his music you know is relevant it's just amazing stuff I really like to bowl but unfortunately left us at a very young age tragically I would say I'd rate him as tremendously highly as a songwriter and guitarist he was terrific Corey mentioned Adam and the ants I loved Adam and the ants as well but there's a song looked by Mark Bowlin called King of the Rundle and Spires and if you listen to that song it's just like if you listen to that song and listen to stand and deliver back to back there and the ants you go oh hello and I hate to say this but it doesn't mean to be crass at all but like it's a good job for for Adam and Mark Mark of Rooney who wrote it that Mark was in the round because it's just a left I know what you mean I they would have probably put manners in them as regards the realities and stuff but listen it's been a joy having you both on I think it's amazing that the new music's out there and I don't want to sound too frivolous but with veteran season musicians I'll call you so like I said to you know just at the top of the thing we're not pretending to be millennials no but if you go to gigs like by young bands and by bands of a certain vintage like ourselves we're all drawn from the same musical well you know you know the influences there's a lot of bands out there are a lot younger than us for influence by Mark Bowlin and David Bowie and bands from that era and like you know we are of a certain age we're not pretending to be 25 and we're not going to look 25 on my own stage I think there's an element of that you don't look we're not really worried we're not that bothered so just leave us alone to do a good thing and that's you know simple as that yeah absolutely yeah well I do hope it I do hope that we get an opportunity to see you live then I can just move to yourself and your journalism your musical journalism and I have to say you have a fine column and I've been a reader for a long time of it and do you get a lot of um do you get a lot of unsaid contacts with what's the group do you get to see a lot of bands yeah I mean the greatest both for me like you know writing about bands like I always said to Karm before we formed Zoolis you know the best job in the world is playing in a band the second best job is writing about bands and artists and like I get you know like you know you know I stood in the sugar club or excuse me I stood in the crowd at Ina Waxadel one miserable Sunday night and I saw a chair and wheeling and interviewed them both in the very very early days and that is such a buzz you know they're going to be big you don't know how big they're going to be you don't know they're going to dominate music for 10 years but that's a buzz and then you see like some things to see in the workman's club and you know they're going to be big you just hope people will agree the greatest buzz like you know it's a line that we use in our neck in our current single you know you know won't you the future rock and roll and that's something me and Karmic have said to each other for years that like you know we worked together in Ireland Sunday for a while and like I've been getting the CDs and the padded packets and Karmic come over and any good and I go well look the future rock and roll could be in the next one exactly you know you know and sometimes you know in periods it was you know what drove music was stuck in one of those padded envelopes you know coming in my way for a review and we borrowed that line that we used to say to each other on a Tuesday morning we work on Ireland Sunday then the mail on Sunday going won't you the future rock and roll you know and it's it's kind of like a wee insult it's like an in-joke and an insult and also like I know referring to the urn of some days you know and a smaller scale we get the same buzz coming from somebody saying a new song and you know there are an unknown on-signed outfit and you're going something magic about this you know it's just something and we're waiting for you know we've seen a lot of it we've good respect for young people I just do amaze when young people get together and make music and make a sound that is just something else and you stop in your tracks and you go there's something special here you know and I've seen it a lot and I've no doubt Danny you've seen it yourself through the years Karmic are you a journalist as well? Formerly, formerly I would have been in the same in that field and as Danny mentioned we both were in Ireland on Sunday which turned into the mail on Sunday and I did a lot for those publications. I took another direction because the press has become a very difficult environment to be in. Danny's managed to hold on to his press credentials longer than I have so I kind of basically write for tech companies they're still writes, they're still with the written word but a little less creative than I used to be. She's just taking it nice and easy maybe or taking it a bit easier. Well I don't know if it's easy but it's certainly different. Danny how long have you left Lifford? I left Lifford. Well out of Lifford 1985 out of Tony Goll 1991 but you lose your accent if you want to Paul I mean I hope I'm not. No no you're dead on. Grave Paul, great to hear two talented lads really enjoying, great to see them live. This is from Bernadette Martin, Bernadette and Martin Ward and it says well done Cousin Danny's. There you go, Bernadette and Martin. Actually I'll tell you one was born in certain elements one night in Ballet Shannon, hadn't seen Bernadette for years. George went crazy dancing on the floor and I know that faith and it was Bernadette Ward and Martin Ward dancing then. So yeah they're big music fans. They are now, thanks Bernadette great supporters of ours up here at Highland Radio. We're going to go out with the the brand new single and do you know that it's iconic the name of it obviously because you know people would always say that he's good but he's definitely not going to level and once I seen that I knew exactly where it was coming from so congratulations in that line but it's definitely a cracking song it's a different style yet to the first one but just before we go to it have you got would you two have like have you had back catalog of stuff to go no we'll throw it out now we'll release. Well the thing is we are going to release some singles every three months that's the plan and you know like we we you know we did play in Mahoganyman but like it was a different band that's a long time ago but like you know the boy behind Bowie's still up on all similar platforms county level just went up live last Friday we'll be putting out the video for that single this Friday they're going to include for you Paul and where's where can we get that on the YouTubes or you'll get that on YouTube and and where we've made that with a great director called Colm Sexton who worked on Game of Thrones among other things so we're looking forward to that now we're looking forward to that but come here Cormac and Danny it's been an absolute pleasure I hope we talk again continued success with the band we really would love to hear you live as a lot of people would and congratulations on your column Danny it's really enjoyable it's it covers so many great artists and it's an eye opener for the likes of me who's sitting here and then I might quote you in a Monday but anyway that's the thing is you're promoting music on Highland radio it's a brilliant job you're doing Paul you and Jimmy I'm just saying that it's on Highland but you know it's great that you do that appreciate that thanks very much well we're going to go out with county level and it's the band through this Danny and Cormac it's a real pleasure and hopefully we'll talk again soon take care