 In wrestling back in the night. Yeah. Well, it's a big it's a it's a wrestling term or a WWE wrestling term Well, no, yeah, it was a wrestling term in general because it was a term I think before it but it was adopted by wrestling because to lose is to job So you are if you are a jabroni you are somebody who jobs a lot therefore you are not popular because you always lose Wow So I'll peek into the subculture. Yeah, so the rock explains it says when I was a kid I was Inside it was an inside term that guys would use when wrestlers wanted to have a private conversation when fans were present They would stop start talking Carney because they used to wrestle in carnivals I thought it was so cool. Jabroni was a word that always was used in the directories sense Oh this jabroni that jabroni with the iron shake was famous for using the word constantly back stage Jabroni jabroni jabroni Around 1998 like why can't I sit on TV? So I started saying it publicly but the iron shake was known for it doesn't explain what it means Oh, like what the the etymology is. Yeah, well, so there's there is a lot and it's not ever There's there's no real like a official understanding of it Like even like alright, so the term in wrestling the idea of keeping wrestling secret is kayfabe, right? But nobody knows where it came from or what it means or or from what entomology It it initially was introduced in there was like this idea that maybe it was You know brought up, you know through some of the other like languages foreign wrestlers Or it was Polish or some mixture of Italian or like my favorite definition is that it's just be fake in like pig Latin But like so a lot of those terms that came out of there like nobody really knows where it started I mean like it was an industry kind of Totally built on secrecy and people not talking to each other, so there's a lot that's just kind of lost a Podcasters need that podcasters need to have language they can use that's totally inside baseball By the way, I just realized your shirt Oh the Smiths. Yeah, it's the best it takes like people a couple of minutes to kind of get it And then they start giggling. Yeah, well cuz I saw it. I'm like, oh, I guess it's a Smith's t-shirt and then I look at it Oh, no, that's oh, oh Geez, oh no With my head my hair back and forth in excitement All right, Jenny's gonna buy a car. Yep. I'm gonna go buy a car Justin and I are gonna do a show Here we go If you'd like to donate to the Daily Tech News show simply go to Daily Tech news show comm slash donate donate via patreon monthly Or just one sphere Bitcoin or paypal if you want a t-shirt go to slash loot dot com This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday March 17th 2016 Joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert young happy St. Patrick's Day. Oh, man. I'm so excited. I've been watching basketball all day doing shots at Jameson by myself and You know, let's help you got a little Irish in yet. That's what you're saying man Self-employment is just a lot like what I would do when I was depressed in college. Yeah, and Someone who is also self-employed often very similar Hey, we're gonna talk about Messaging we got some new numbers from WeChat out there in in China And and more of these trend pieces coming at us every day about bots on messenger brands on messenger Gonna we're gonna we're gonna tackle that and find out which is light and we just heat in that trend But let's start off with the headlines Bloomberg reports two people familiar with the plans say executives at Alphabet have determined that it's Boston Dynamic Division is Unlikely to produce a marketable product and have put the unit up for sale. That's right folks Google X Getting rid of Boston Dynamics apparently Boston Dynamics never actually folded in to Google X One of the sources tells Bloomberg that Toyota Research Institute and Amazon might be interested in this and there's a whole bit Justin about some leaked emails and people talking about how the Boston Dynamics people didn't play well with the other roboticists in Google Etc. Etc. That's that's a little more tangential but kind of crazy with all of the Press that Boston Dynamics gets for its advances for Google just to spit it out because they don't think it's marketable That feels very un Google slash alphabet like Which is why the marketable things strikes me as maybe a little Justification right because the idea with Boston Dynamics is that they're not Yeah, you know the Boston Dynamics was never going to compete with the HTC Vive and the Oculus for the holiday toy of the year Right like the idea the promise of Boston Dynamics is that they become this next-gen Lockheed Martin or Halliburton or something where you are now or lying on government contracts So the idea of like oh it'll never produce a marketable product Yeah, maybe like you might never see anything with Boston Dynamics logo on it at target But that doesn't mean that there's not a bright future Especially for government and military purchasing Which is effectively what they are kind of marketing for so this does seem to me like maybe People didn't get along inside the bubble. Yeah, it could just be a culture misfit And they were looking for a good excuse make sense Sources tell CRN apples started storing some of its iCloud data with Google last year Most of its iCloud data is still stored with Amazon web services Although some of it is on Microsoft Azure Apple has announced three data centers of its own opening soon Now a lot of people want to approach this and rightly so about like oh What is Apple's data strategy if they bring it back in-house with one of those three new data centers? Is that a good idea and there's there's certainly a conversation to be had there But what I find most interesting about this is that Google? Which has aggressively been slashing prices to gain enterprise customers was able to get Apple Which is a little cost-conscious right now around its data to be honest to sign on board I mean if anything this is this story is hey guess what Google is getting big customers Yeah, no, I mean certainly that makes sense and it is the kind of You know it's so funny because these names are are so Branded in people's minds as being competitors on certain levels and you realize kind of how incestuous Everything is when it comes to back-end cloud data storage And also as far as Apple goes this seems like just storage redundancy on different platforms is just a a good idea For them considering iCloud has had some Troubling history when it's come to people losing data locked out of it Which makes me wonder of bringing the data centers back in the house Will go as smoothly as they hope I hope it does But really good point about we we tend to personify these brands and say like Apple and Samsung in a big fight well except for apple buys a lot of semiconductors from Samsung Amazon looking to strike at the heart of netflix except for the fact that netflix hosts it houses everything on amazon web server web server Yeah, uh microsoft is releasing windows 10 for phones today for selected lumia handsets We've mentioned that that was coming later in march. Well, it's later in march and now it's coming Carriers will make the update available on their own schedule So it won't be a release date where you can just go and get it However, you can download something called update advisor from the windows store And that'll let you know when the upgrade is available for your handset Users will get improved outlook and office version of cortana that's aligned with the desktop and universal apps If they're not running a phone that already has windows 10. There are a few of those out there as well you know Lumia man That was that was uh, that was that was a brand I mean, I think we're gonna get into a big kind of meta conversation about the waves of how things come Especially when it comes to messaging as a platform later in the show but You just got to wonder like, you know, if if Microsoft had had a cohesive plan for the last 10 years Where would they be with with mobile technology? Yeah, it feels like the switch over from ball martin adela Yeah, the the c change in smartphones Uh, that that cut is catching everybody, uh, you know, including android handset makers and apple Uh, all kind of combined to just Take what was really building some some good momentum in places like europe And and I don't think it's killed it, but it just definitely stalled it out And and now I think such an adela is saying well We're not going to dump that industry, but we're not going to pour the effort into it that elop and balmer were T mobile has added youtube and google play video to its binge on service That doesn't count certain streaming services against a subscribers data cap and also optimizes all video at 480p for phone viewing Google has been critical of the plan, but t mobile has agreed to make it clear what Optimization means and give users an easier way to opt out either by sms or at my dot t mobile dot com Participating companies are also getting more control over how their streams are affected by the ability to opt out Yeah, so before Uh, everybody got downgraded to 480 And then if you wanted to be in the plan where your stream didn't count against customer data caps You had to allow t mobile To modify your stream. Yeah Took me a while to wrap my head around all this what google was objecting to is we don't like t mobile messing with our stream Uh, also, we don't like that. We have to get downgraded to all your customers You know and yes, they can opt out of binge on which then will give them the video at full bit rate But also count against their data cap. It's an incredibly Like a baroque system here and what google has got t mobile to do is say, okay You as you as a streamer can opt out of the 480 thing even in the binge on if you want and and you as a Participant in this can if you know follow a few standards and then you can modify the stream yourself. That's fine You know And obviously we can we we have talked ad nauseam about zero rating You know on on this show for for a very long time, but it does seem like t mobile under lig air Is very interested in striking the grand bargain right and in bringing as many people under the tent to to brand themselves as The place where you can watch these things and not worry about it and specifically to a youth market You really whether or not you agree with zero rating and I think we can all agree There are very troubling elements of it to the health of the internet It is something that like they are going out there and and and doing it And I think that you know brand-wise they'll always be hampered by the the strength of their signal But you know it makes sense for them And what was interesting is lig air going out there and touting how Many increased streams to their partners have been going on since they launched binge on Which frankly is exactly what the zero rating opponents are pointing to and saying see you're picking winners More people are watching those because they don't count against their data cap Instead of having an equal playing field for anybody who wants to launch a service on the web. So um Yeah, interesting conversation there a deus adolf germany district court ruled tuesday that apple has violated patents owned by kudelski's open tv This is not Like most of these stories a patent role. This is someone who actually makes streaming video products Patents cover the practice of mixing video audio and online information into a single video stream Apple can choose to license Pull the feature from its products or stop selling the products in germany They also risk a 250 000 euro fine if they fail to comply in one of those ways They can also apply for a stay and appeal the decision And we haven't seen yet whether they're going to do either of those apples already filed a request to invalidate the patent and federal patent court in munich kudelski has previously settled with google sysco netflix verizon and a few others So they got a case They've settled a bunch And now apple got popped for it because they bought And frankly, uh, I think apple fights this that's usually their their mode is just make anybody who sues apple pay as much money as possible If they think they're gonna win But maybe they think they've got a chance in munich court I don't know the judge in this case in the district court did not feel like the patent was at risk of being invalidated Which is why the judge ruled as is they did Well victory in dusseldorf Proton mail is available without an invite for anyone who uh to signs up as of wednesday The end-to-end encrypted email system is available on the web and on ios and google Play stores tom. Do you think that the promise of an end-to-end encryption is something that people will be interested in Now that privacy and security and government access to things has become more in the news. I mean You're it's very easy to say well proton mail ain't gonna be any gmail anytime soon and of course google trying to Make its own advances in end-to-end encryption admitting that only 75 of their entire services not just gmail Uh are currently end-to-end encrypted But proton mail also could be another telegram you look at telegram messaging and they're adding users like crazy A lot of people have issues with the way telegram does their end-to-end encryption But that isn't stopping people from jumping on the bandwagon. So yeah, I I think making it open for anybody to just sign up Probably will increase it. It'll be interesting to see how many take advantage of it well, and and and at the end of the day The the idea that this is sick is interesting and successful is really what I think is most important, you know the idea that hey look no people kind of are into this They're into not having their email snooped through Yeah The advocate general of the court of justice of the european union has issued an opinion that quote the operator of a shop Hotel or bar who offers a wi-fi network free of charge to the public Is not liable for copyright infringements committed by users of that network Now an injunction can be brought to end the infringement But termination or password protection or even examination of transmissions on that network is not required According to the advocate general This is in relation to a suit that sony is bringing against to bias mcfadden of munich Over music illegally downloaded on the network he provided to his customers at his store Advocate general's opinion is not binding in the courts. Uh, so we'll have to wait for the judges to rule But it usually does have an influence. Thanks to andrew terry for posting this on the subreddit Just seems reasonable Right A lot of places were not willing to do public wi-fi for this very reason Because in europe the feeling was well, you might be liable So if the advocate general's saying you shouldn't be and if the judges follow up on that Suddenly you may see a lot more places offering free wi-fi in europe You know, I think there's there's a lot of of stuff that I law specifically that You understand is just kind of getting updated to the modern era. There was a huge sea change in and how we deal with things So you can't reasonably assume that that the local laws are going to still uh, you know be be effective So this just seems like, you know, uh, it's it's a very very rational understanding of something we've probably all known for 15 years So blazing speed by government standards Then that announced its highest quarterly revenue growth in three years much Which is due to we chat the messaging platform now has 679 million active users worldwide adding close to 200 million over the past year We chat pay alone has had more than 300 million users generating Uh rmb 300 million that is us 46 million for bank transfer fees. It is live in china and south africa Yeah, so this is kind of the the news hook for our discussion of the messaging uh here in a moment Uh, so we'll hold my thoughts on that for a second Just one more headline to give you though intel gave more details of gdc of its skull canyon nuke Nuck is one of the dumbest acronyms in existence in my opinion next unit of computing But they are cool little things. They're like little bare bones boxes that you can Use as as uh, little gaming machines. You can put them in your your entertainment center And this new one comes with the 2.6 gigahertz quad core core i7 skylake chip iris pro 5 80 gpu 128 megabytes of ed ram cache 802 11 ac wi-fi bluetooth among its ports or hdmi 2.0 mini display port 1.2 4 usb 3 ports and a thunderbolt 3.0 port and it can take up to 32 gigabytes of ddr 4 ram and up to 2 m.2 seda form factored solid state drives with support for nvme So you have to bring the drive and the ram if you buy the bare bones version And also put the os on it yourself that bare bones version cost you only 650 dollars though And will be available for pre-order on new egg in april with shipping in may Not something that everybody likes to play around with justin but The people who are into these things find really cool uses. It's like It's not as as cool as raspberry pi and it's like cheapness and versatility But you can do some interesting things with it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think this is this is going to be a Like I don't know what's going to be that's gonna come out of here. It's gonna be super awesome I know something will come out of here. That's super awesome. And by the way big shout out to gdc I feel like like they're they're uh, their footprint has been oversized compared to other years Yeah, uh, for sure. I especially when you see it right after south by southwest Which used to generate a lot more interesting, uh, stuff and and seems to have declined in that department anyway Uh, still still producing one of the best events every year with the oh, sure Yeah, I mean like south by southwest, uh, you know, certainly is more than ever the uh expense account spring break But you know, still a great event still a great brands brands brands says right here in the car Hey, submit some stories to us folks. Let us know what you think of them daily tech news show dot reddit.com And that is a look at the headlines So, yeah, uh, we chat, uh doing well 697 million monthly active users worldwide. That's not just in china That's up 200 million year over year as well And we chat pay one of their bright spots that's starting to bring in some money They've got 300 million well more than 300 million users on we chat pay Bringing in 46 million dollars as as just instead of fees. That's available just in china and south africa So as they expand that to other markets, it's only going to bring in more money In fact, tech crunch estimates that at what pony ma the ceo of we chat says is 0.1 of transaction fees That would imply that we chat pay is already bringing in close to 550 billion dollars a year Compared to paypal, which brings in 282 billion dollars a year and compared to alipay now alipay hasn't reported How much it brings in for a couple years, but in 2013 it was bringing in 519 billion. So getting close there Uh This is becoming the the big trend story. Justin messaging apps facebook messenger snap chat we chat whatsapp And there are three Big pushes there are more than that, but there are three big pushes that i want to talk about today One is the lure of brands, which we had some interesting conversations at south by southwest About the lure of payments that we're seeing here With we chat pay and the lure of bots and the idea of bringing those on which some of these Companies are already well advanced in doing So where do we want to start because i think like messaging as a platform I can say as as a whole the the macro look at it is Like oh look another big trend. I guess that means everybody's done talking about wearables or done talking about Internet of things for five minutes so we can now have room enough on our plate in the grand buffet of hot takeitude To bring on messaging as a platform But but where where what do you find most interesting of those three? Three little side dishes Well the brand one depending on who you talk to people are going to say the messaging apps are a stupid place for brands Or they're going to say i don't know line launched a brand messenger in february line at snapchat and path talk Have been taking on brands and doing interesting things What's app is bringing on brands even and they're pretty simple seems to be the thing to do But nobody really knows if how successful it is or even really how to measure the success Payments seems like dead simple like yeah if you can get people to start using payments It's native. They're already talking to their friends. The friend says hey, can you give me that 10 bucks? You owe me boom do it in the payment app that makes sense line has it Facebook is even offering peer-to-peer payments in the u.s. They plan to expand that Uh, so bots seems to be The next wave that seems to be where things start to get interesting because it can Involve payments it can involve brand services and customer service and ordering taxis In fact, uh, we chat already partnered up with diddy kowati Uh to do some really easy taxi ordering on the platform So let's let's let's let's you're right because I think bots are easily the most interesting element of it and here's why People love these messaging services because it gets them away from brand saturated places, right? It gets you away from Uh, uh, facebook it gets you away from twitter it gets you away from all these places that say hey We're going to monetize you by putting more displays in front of your face So now of course with brands, you know with with in general display advertising Showing more and more weakness. They say okay. Well, where are the kids? Here are the kids Let's go where the kids are and yet the bot idea the idea of the invisible whisper that you can uh, Either keep between friends or have be only facing to you because The the the bot structure is so flexible And uh has the ability with fairly little overhead For somebody to develop a bot again bot doesn't need to be an app and that it doesn't need to have a user interface A bot doesn't need to have a marketing budget necessarily, right? It doesn't need necessarily to even have a huge growth trajectory Because it's fairly easy to make and can and be done with a fairly simple small team This is super interesting if you uh, like and we always use this idea of like this this, uh fictitious Conversation we're having with our friends about what we want to do You know and like the idea that brands can plug into it and that's certainly an element of it But uh, you know, I think Veronica Belmont did a great job in our and our looking forward segment last year that the idea of a A bot that just is what we've always wanted these personal assistants to be What we've always wanted siri to be but we've always wanted Alexa to be Alexa. Do you know what a bot is? I I think that's a great answer. Thank you Amazon echo And send us your emails with what she said when she heard Justin say that. Uh, yeah, seriously like this is um There's a couple of things that come to mind one is Slack seems to be one of the the the leading bot platforms of these sort of messaging devices And it is more of a productivity community communication tool But looker, which is a data analytics Tool announced looker bot for slack today. Now. This is all very inside the silicon valley baseball here But I think it's a good example Even if you're never going to use slack or looker of we're not just talking about having a chat with a bot That you say like, hey, I need a taxi. Great. Do you need it where you are? Yes, which is interesting It can also be charts. So the way the looker bot works is you just say like, oh, uh, I wonder what the you know A percentage of of customers who ordered slacks from us last quarter was and the bot says would you like me to show you? And boom a graph shows up. Yeah, it's not it's not just text conversations No, no, I mean like right now in in our slack We are dealing with our taxes for for the contender dot us the best game of 2016 available at the contender dot us right now Uh, no, we're talking about bots not brands exactly. So yeah, sorry deep viral marketing hashtag, uh They're you know right now So like we were trying to figure out where we sold stuff and then we sold it in california We sold it outside of california There's no reason why we can't plug in our amazon and we can't plug in our Shopify and have a bot immediately Pull all that up with with exact precision and and and accuracy this is And again what I find so fascinating about it and tech crunch had a just you know, a soaking sopping wet You know a praise bomb for the idea that bots could be the new apps And I think that might be a little overblown But not by much because it is Relatively so simple to do you don't need Again, you don't need a huge team and yet if people are all on these messaging apps for which you can see the growth There is definitely a bounty to be had there is viability and and product Bonding to be had with these kinds of ideas Well, and it continues this trend and and it's elegant to look at it this way I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it's a pattern recognition thing This trend of hey the operating system man. The operating system is everything. Oh wait No, it's not the browser the browser is everything the browser runs on the operating system and browsers where you'll do everything Oh wait. No, it's not it's apps It's apps that actually connect to the internet in significant ways That's that's where it's at and then suddenly it's like well. No, it's one app. It's the messenger app And actually we're going to do everything on the messenger app not just bots But payments and and it's you know moved long beyond stickers, but all all those sorts of music services Uh, you know we chat is is adding all kinds of things and and it is often seen even if it isn't the biggest In the world it is seen as sort of the most innovative because it tends to try these things out and show That they can be used to good effect a long time before a lot of other messaging platforms do So let's focus a little bit on on some of the other major players here in the us It looks like facebook will announce a messenger bot store for their messenger app Maybe they will on april out. It's rumored rumored I'm sure people were we're whispering it to each other while uh, we were at the facebook party last friday humble brag uh Do you think that the messenger app could be The big introduction to the bot revolution for the us market And not just for the us. I mean don't forget that they have 800 uh million What is it that they have they have something like 800 is a million or billion it kind of i'm suddenly blanking on this but they have 800 million monthly active users there it is for facebook messenger worldwide Uh, so everywhere that isn't already, you know telegram announced their bot platform last june But as we talked about that's just a slice of people who are interested in security But not critical of the way telegram an exit taking play taking part in that Facebook drops a bomb on the world if they add this because that is the platform that the largest number of people are on and Also evenly distributed and not not a hundred percent evenly distributed but much more Widely distributed than we chat is yet now Will some killer bots Have me and you two people that i'm sure have the facebook messenger app talk to each other online Usually on sms because we're both ancient and not hip like the kids Are we going to be talking to each other more on messenger by the end of the year because of something like this Even old fogies like us right is just going to have that that aura that halo effect where We are starting to use it because like well This is actually a lot easier way to call an uber or you know, I could get I've been ordering my food on it It's great, uh, and then we're already in there and like well, I need to tell justin something Oh, look, he's on messenger too because he's using the bot. Yeah, it can it can definitely start to spark that A lot of people are using messenger already I mean I use it to communicate with my nephews in australia Because he doesn't want to deal with sms plans over there So there's there's all kinds of things that can pull you in and that certainly is one of them I'm super excited. I mean and I've said this every bot discussion We've had the the the best bot that I can plug in and you can plug in to your calendar And I can just say hey, let's do a thing and then both of our bots can talk to each other and spit back a general idea That uh, you know, which is a function that is on Plenty of websites and there's plenty of doodles or whatever where you can figure it out through uh, you know process of elimination I want that to look like an abacus compared to how quick it tells me that but tom and I record fsl tonight On wednesday april the second it just looks at both calendars. Yeah, it's like oh you got free time here That's learned that we don't like to record after a certain time or before a certain time Yeah, man. By the way, somebody tell me when wednesday april the second Is what year will be recorded here? That will be and that's when we'll have the next season. That's in our yard Hey, our pick of the day comes from michael. It's called n1 by nihilus nylas at nihilus.com michael says it's an open source extensible email client for windows linux and os 10 Nihilus is integrating many of the best features of other email solutions like inbox by google and adding some additional features Through plugins that leverage their own products and servers Some of the plugins share info with nihilus, but the plugins are optional if you don't want to do that The app has a nice design and is changing my expectations of what a desktop email client can be that's nihilus.com at nylas.com And I have to say like it felt like the desktop email client might be on its way out But this is a pretty sweet-looking one here Uh, yeah, I'm I'm always I'm always into a good desktop email client You know, I feel like I've fallen into inbox just as a browser Uh, but I I don't know if that's the healthiest for me because it always This persistent beacon on my browser telling me i'm not doing my my job by reading about wrestling on reddit Yeah, I I always have a problem with something that isn't cross-platform So the only part of this that bugs me at all is the idea that I'd have to use a different email client on ios and android But honestly, I already do that. I already use a different email client on ios and android than I use on my desktop Anyway, uh, even with webmail. So check it out folks. It's uh, it's an interesting one We haven't tried it but michael likes it Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks a couple of messages before we get out of here Brandon wanted to chime in about the cross-platform talk That we were having about xbox now making it so that PC folks can play multiplayer games against xbox one games and saying hey, sony You can do this too and then sony the next day saying yeah, we're happy to talk to anybody who wants to do this Not mentioning microsoft by name Brandon wants to point out that sony had already been doing this as we mentioned But he wanted to clarify that developers have been doing this as well sony has allowed them to do it final fantasy 11 for instance connected pc ps3 and xbox 360 to the same servers sony was involved with the ps3 version because it used their networks and microsoft was involved with the xbox version However, I believe that the official servers players connected to were hosted by square enix The maker of the game and not sony or xbox What microsoft is doing is saying we are opening the xbox live network to run with the playstation network Now normally if you want to run a game on xbox live You have to use their servers that only allow the traffic for their game What this boils down to is developers have to be able to connect their game to the same server through the different consoles That hasn't been the easiest thing to do and microsoft is saying that they are willing to provide the tools to do it So a very good framing of that. Thank you brandon for writing in and explaining that Because sony might not want you to be connecting to an xbox server to play a game on the ps4 because they want to capture that data Yeah, you know, it's it's it's amazing what happens when an industry that has ridden so high for so long Now looks to the future and says oh wow look here are things that uh, you know gamers Don't have it really even necessarily Pined for because it is so long been thought to be impossible and and now Here we go. Let's go ahead and think about this and yet In the undergrowth you've had all these little solutions that are now going to be harder to wrangle because they didn't make A decision early on to say hey look Bigger wider networks for people to play these games together are better than smaller closed networks Well, and it would have been like hindsight's 2020, right? It would have been great if some Third party like an amazon web services Things said we're the place to host the games microsoft. Don't worry. You don't got to build it sony You don't either either to use query nix neither do you blizzard and everybody can play together if you want to allow it And then it just becomes a marketing decision whether you want to allow it or not as a game maker or a platform Yeah, well, you know again hindsight Alex from olympic rio because the olympics are happening in rio Suggest another challenge for ai. He's like ai seems to be doing pretty good with go We're obviously uh, it's probably still going to see another match against the reigning go champion But alex says how about another suggestion the game diplomacy He says diplomacy is a game where players have to negotiate peace deals Ask and give support and most important of all lie backstab and betray your friends A computer playing diplomacy would be a board game Touring test because it's not only enough to be able to come up with the optimal strategy It's also essential for the player to assess when to trust others and then how to deceive them Uh, this is fascinating and and uh a big uh big shout out to uh to rio for alex for bringing this up this would be Amazing again and for people who don't understand How legit diplomacy is diplomacy The favorite game as stated in many interviews by henry kissinger One of the the foremost uh diplomats in in american history Uh, this is uh, I would love to see an ai Uh, uh take it especially if we could just put it on one of those Little because the game is is a little mobile, right? Like there's a lot of moving to different parts of the room or walking to another to have private conversations I would love to just see an ai on one of those segways just like moving to different people with facial recognition so they can backstab and Well, yeah, and I think that's why it's such an intriguing idea I thank you alex for sending this because suddenly, you know, what happens with go Is there's a guy from deep mind who sits there and he looks at the screen and when and and he puts in the move from the person that's the actual human playing and then Deep mind, you know, alfago says all right do this move and then he does it on the real board Well with diplomacy that's not going to work You need to be able to like read expressions and see expressions and would the computer have An advantage because it doesn't really have natural expressions and you'll misread them or you know that Put against the idea of like how well can it read expressions? How well can it lie? Or or can it can it break it down to a more algorithmic level and say you want to know what Maybe facial expressions are unreliable Maybe we get more bad data from people trying to throw you off this end and really it needs to focus on asking simple questions Do you will you can you and if yes or no You know Match it all against each other and then just see where it where it goes out now I just I love the idea of Henry Kissinger and the diplomacy bot just rolling around and having The Kissinger bot will be what we call that one Fantastic. Thank you, Alex. Keep your emails coming folks feedback to dailytechnewshow.com. Thank you. Justin Robbie young for joining us Of course, you can find Justin on the interwebs At all kinds of places. Where's the best place for folks to find what you're up to? 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Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program He's actually a coach of high school students On a robotics team doesn't actually coach the robots. Hey, you listen. Nobody knows what it means. It's provocative All right, uh, jenny's still uh out at the car dealership, I guess Why do I need to tell you to get you into this civic? Uh, of course the inevitable knock-knock jokes, right? Knock if you love the knock The what luck of a knock. Yeah That sounds really lewd if you don't hear it like me attention Maybe There's a knuck knuck knucking on entele's door I like big bots Google and apple living together mass hysteria. What the knuck The next I like big bots and I cannot lie The bot store Killer bots such a we chat the next bot thing is not bad either Don't knock it if you if you've tried it. Wow till you tried it. Don't like it guys are into the knuck puns today. I like it kicking the knucks Knuck if you buck I don't know what that means if you buck If you don't give a damn, I don't give a knuck Bot is the new black pot hotness Brands powering up bots bot of the barrel Kissing your bot My favorite So what what do you think? I like knuck knuck knocking on entele's door Seems to be the the runaway winner. Let's let's let it boil for a little bit. I'm cool with that one I also like next bot thing. That's a good one Justin do you got any favorites? Uh Man, it's all sex puns, right? Like I mean the knuck ones tend to be. Yeah. Yeah Uh, is this oh my god, is this a new honda civic? No, I'm I was in jersey mike's eating lunch because my appointment is at 245 But it was so loud that I had to come back out to the car So now i'm in a car in a parking lot. I thought you were saying you went to jersey to buy a car. I was like, wow That's commitment. That's commitment. I got there in 25 minutes hyperloop um No, I'm I'm uh The knuck knocking on Intel knocking on entele's door is probably my favorite of of the knuck puns Uh, although I like a bot like we talked so much about bots. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of feel I'm feeling that too I like big bots. I cannot lie Definitely used that that theme for a title before. Oh, you have. Yeah. Well What cannot be reused? That was once used. Oh sure. No, it's just a matter of not overdoing it. So Yeah, well as long as it's it's not uh What should we call it? What's our number one overused one? It's uh, who watches like some variation of who watches the watchman. That's it I don't even know how that got started unless it's been for my time So, yeah, so the the great battle of jenny's car afternoon is Lisa crossover suv which is sensible and will not commit me to anything and will get me into a parking lot on monday or Be irresponsible and get the car I really want I would say get the car that gets you to work because Once that's taken care of you have the freedom to be irresponsible later That is a good point Yeah, like a man who has a baby What are you gonna do you're gonna get all excited and buy a nice car like you know two years before robots are driving us around Seriously, yeah, it's a bad purchase. Yeah, I feel like I'm in the valley The uh the unexciting valley. Yeah between self-driving cars and uh, whatever's on the market now This is this is my exact. Um, my exact theory when it comes to any kind of physical fitness, uh Like I'm just like listen. I'm just trying to stay alive for the singularity Like, you know, I just need like I don't need to necessarily be a bodybuilder Although this is probably landing hilariously on tom's ears Who saw me eat like an animal and drink like a fish And also go for a jog. We went for one jog. Yeah, we went for a jog. That was true Uh, but uh, but yeah, no, that's like, hey, come on. We just need The world awaits. Infinity is within our grasp. You just need, you know, a crx or something or something something tiny That's an entirely fair point. Yeah Or one of those $35,000 teslas just so you're coming home with a mclaren is what you're saying. Yeah I mean, I'm not even gonna look at a tesla. I'm just not gonna do it. No It's all in the car. I like like to wait for them anyway. Oh, get oh, what about a leaf? Nissan leaf why? No because uh, if I'm gonna If I'm gonna buy an electric car No, I'm just not gonna do it. I'm just not gonna do it. I don't have the infrastructure Yeah, it's for Uh, the dream car the impractical dream car is in another g But that's too much money. This is too much money for a basically A 19th century or what is the tree technology? Well, what I mean was the last time you've ever driven off-road Um, that's not the point. Oh shots. Oh shots fired. The point is can I get home after? You went mud and jenny No, can I get home after an earthquake? That's the that's the Shots fired Why are you against safety right at rogers earthquake preparedness heart too by the way? Why don't you just get like a little gyro copter or some sort of man portable flying device practical Joseph's in a marketplace. Joseph's in a marketplace landing on the roof in two minus two minutes. It'd be great. You could avoid Amazing when you put it that way. Yeah Yeah, Alexa added gyro copter to my shopping Oh, she is done. It's already done. Yeah Gyro copters on my shopping list purchasing gyro copter Wait, no, I just said add it to the shopping list. You you know, you want it You know, what's funny is you say that and it gives you an automated gyro making machine Like a euro making machine, which we honestly sounds great, too Yeah Stick the meat and vegetables at one end and you have dinner come on that big lamb spigot thing in the middle Ah, man, these are all drones Oh Knock that off man. I'm trying to get rocketeer up in this bitch this boss I live by the shore and just live on a boat like they uh did on uh, simon not simon and simon riptide How went from simon and simon to riptide like that was like to obscure That was like successful, buddy. Yeah. I'm a show. Hey, uh, by the way, um Anybody you're watching the oj show. Oh, yeah, jenny's a big fan. Yeah Oh my god, box is the last after show you're gonna be able to turn the rest of this into talking about the oj show So the only problem is we're one episode, but we haven't watched the most recent episode. That's fine Neither am I neither am I I was two episodes behind and I watched uh the the marsha clark century. Yes. Oh my god Oh my god, that's that's an emmy for for sarah paulson It's an emmy and it's a stab at the heart of just so much like Like it just made me cry. It made me cry. I won't lie like it just felt so You know how like you just watch a public figure when you're watching them in the spotlight And you have all sorts of ill informed Like I wasn't pro or anti anything in that case. I was too young to care Whatever and I didn't like really get into it because I didn't live here at the time And I didn't have like a vested interest, but man when you see the humanity on all sides Just incredible. Well, and it was new culturally, right? Which is part of the point of the show is that like not that everybody hadn't really realized exactly what this was This was really the birth of Celebrity culture before was all about praising the celebrity and then celebrity culture afterward became about deconstructing the celebrity And so this is why I have the Kardashians in there all the time. It makes too much sense Which oh geez how subtle, uh, you know, just Come on ryan murphy like cause effect exactly. It's just about you know as as as subtle as a as a medley on glee, uh Uh Ask your parents kids. Yeah But no, but it makes it makes a lot of sense and and it's really really well done But sarah paulson, man. I was just blown away episode Yeah, she's always been great She's always been so so so good and you can kind of tell we're like, you know her pedigree of like, you know Aaron sorkin david milch like some of the best writers on television and film have looked at her and said like Yes, no. She's the one we want to deliver our dial Uh, and here's the here's the funny thing though when she was on the sorkin show on the on the studio 60 For character was so poorly written that I feel like it did her in my eyes unjustified damage Because the character was so poor. Well, she was the main character at studio 60, right? Um, well one of the she was one of the two female Bots created by erin sorkin to impersonate a woman Yeah, all right. Listen hold on Let me stop me if you heard this one It's erin sorkin show where there's a troubled and great man And then there's a woman who don't take no jive and only when he understands The humanity of the woman who doesn't take no jive can be this troubled man Who's making all sorts of mistakes? Although his creativity has surpassed all bounds. Uh, does he realize that indeed he has flaws? And uh, wait, that's news wing radio, right? Uh, okay You know a little a little bit a little bit of that and uh, yeah a little bit of steve jobs and a little bit of You've watched the super cut, right? Of all the lines that come up It's it's just my favorite, but don't don't don't want to be like i'm other people Do you know that josh melina and someone else are doing a west wing a day or week podcast? Yeah, we're they're just yeah, they're just going through all the all the Yeah Amazing if I could if I could pronounce that word with a bunch of o's and b's about what happens when a snake comes around and eats itself That's what how I would The west wing stars now do a podcast about starring in the west wing Because they all just want to go back wouldn't you wouldn't you want to go back to that show? But upset for this crazy Like if I were tommy schlamy, I'd be pitching that around the world right now Well It makes sense You know there's the all you got is a bunch of people asking you about this one time in your life, right? So I said about it and say no But didn't you watch my guest star on iZombie last week or But josh but josh melina's on the number one buzziest hit show on abc So he has nothing to prove he can just enjoy himself like he's got a great guest or recurring role He's it's like right in the zeit guys So it's not like he's you know out of it and so he can do that and he's so smart and so funny Yeah, I think that's a great idea on a daily basis. He goes to the airport How many people ask him about whatever the buzzy new show on abc isn't how many people ask him about west wing scandal Like I mean scandal's big right like but but I I still think you know if you look at how many nothing yet Nothing compares to west wing. You're right. It's big on 2016 broadcast television versus big on 1990s broadcast television Yeah, you're right. And that's another thing That the medium has diminished and that's why these shows loom so large Uh, but no, I think that's that's brilliant. But but real quick the oj thing I think it's so remarkable how well They they capture that 1930s la kind of vibe and I I lived in southern california probably three years before that as a kid Uh, but it all rings So true and I always used to remember because my mom has similar hair to marsha clark and so I Pathetic to the idea that everybody used to make fun of marsha clark's hair now She never went as they exist so eloquently called it on the show Oh rick james, but but there was that that one element. I've loved it. I've eaten it If anybody's listening does it if anybody's listening doesn't get it. This is not a documentary No, yeah, you know if you didn't pick that up Although by the way ESPN 30 for 30 has apparently working on a six part documentary that anyone who's Says is the best thing ESPN has ever done. Wow. There is new information to the oj king In this six part documentary apparently time. Do you have to go or you? I am done. I am out of the post. Um, I'm good on time So i'm not i'm not russian one more. Yeah, yeah, go for it floor for one more oj comment the chair recognizes jenny josephson Can we just give a huge shout out to the guy who started sterling k brown? He is Killing that role it is he makes me cry every time I see him because he's just so Thoughtful and knowing what's coming is so painful Yeah It is it is watching them go pigs to slaughter and even even in 2016 or 2015 I guess when it aired, but you know, uh spoiler alert At the end of the unbreakable kimmy schmidt you have tina fe and I forget who else plays a caricature version of marsha clark and chris darden Uh as bumbling Grab-ass idiots still even now even in 2015 when it's like you just see these people and they're like, yeah No, we had the slam dunk Case of of of the century And and this tidal wave Just in engulfed them and and and the whole nation and uh, you know, I I thought that that last episode was just such a Great example of just sort of like how far subtly We've kind of come in in understanding gender right like that there is This one like it's like oh wait No, we have made progress because like even the idea of like the radio station saying like marsha clark, bitch or babe Call in it's like oh easy. That's that even just feel weird to hear that Hot of me or that's a thing that people want to call in about like that's just so weird It is it's watching a bunch of people on Massive earthquake paradigm shift that they don't understand is coming that we're all living in right now And that's what makes it so Painful because these people are living and doing the right thing in their world And the defense understood it just a little bit more And also like I can't say enough about kourtney v vance as johnny kakram like I cannot say enough Uh every episode he's become more johnny kakram. It's amazing and and they're doing such a good job The one thing for people who are liking by now super annoyed that we've been talking about this for so long That I will say to you the one thing it does is it presents Everybody's authentic feeling about why they're right and that's the best kind of storytelling That it prevents it shows you flashbacks of their point of view It shows you why they don't understand it shows you like Like in one second a guy telling barcia clark that it's awful has sexist people are being to her and then the next second offering Yeah, like it's just Amazing and then john trevult I can't even get it to because he's so The hands the hands are so perfect. I mean just just john devolda Who is this other worldly alien creature? playing Shapiro who is this other worldly alien creature? It's it's like it's like watching a salamander impersonate a moose incredible Fantastic And on that note folks. Thanks for watching The daily happy set patrick's day Yeah