 Hi everyone welcome we're here live I'm here with Paulina and Gabriel from Brazil and we send you all of our love and yeah Paulina and Gabriel just what's up me and and they're actually in the middle of starting a spiritual community for Jesus right down there in in Brazil so I thought well this probably will be a talk with some good insights and questions and answers and and guidance and things for other people who actually also have the idea of starting a community for Jesus and this is really a mystical community too we're not talking about like a religious community per se but this is about transformation of our awareness and our consciousness and opening up to to the living Christ and and you can see over my shoulder there's a little picture of Jesus and then between Paulina and Gabriel there's on the wall is a symbol of the Holy Spirit so we've got the whole Trinity here God God the Father God the Son and the Holy Ghost are all with us to help us bring clarity to such a topic so yeah maybe you just want to start off with with what you were experiencing and so I know from our discussions and my visits to Brazil and my my discussions with you and you visited the monastery up in Utah and visited a community in Mexico as well that you had one house that you were having built you were designing it with like a theater room a movie room and designing the kitchen and going through all that process and then recently you also came into another house that is in fairly close proximity to the house that you were building and designing so a lot of times when people think about starting a community I mean over the years people would call me up and say I'm thinking of starting a community they call me on my cell phone and they say I've I've got the building where I've got the building in mind but actually that's really not the first thing that goes into starting a community for Jesus it was so easy it would be like making uh chocolate milk just put a syrup in and stir and all you have to do is get a house or a building and then say okay this is a community for Jesus and presto really for Jesus with all the community members you know it it doesn't really work that way there's so many steps so sometimes when people would call me and ask me about the process of starting a spiritual community when they would say they have the building I would kind of laugh and I would say that's that's not really relevant I know in the world that seems important if you're going to have a company it's nice to have a building to have your company in but actually with spiritual community it starts much deeper with prayer and and devotion and and coming to clarity around your life's calling and also the values that you hold dear and I would say probably peace of mind is a good value to hold clear because we have to have something to hold on to when all this unconscious darkness just comes up on a basically on a daily basis and it feels like we're navigating a ship in stormy waters and the ship is tipping around and tipping over and without peace of mind as our goal then it would almost seem pointless to to do mind training or to practice forgiveness on a daily basis without a strong goal in place so anyway maybe you can just both share a little bit about what what's been going on because I know both the houses are now kind of coming into play a little bit and then you know you have some people I think probably showing up and then that's that's typically a mix for trouble I think you think back to those days of your just your small apartment in Bella horse hunting and and think oh my god this life was so simple with that Gabriel said he did have to step over a few things and go navigate to go get his pajamas but now with two houses it seems to be a little bit different context than that small apartment and you certainly wanted some more space but then now it seems like there's more things arising maybe you can share with myself and with everyone you know what's going on yes yeah I think like the first thing um I'm feeling to share is that we never thought having a community like never and this is like uh this is deep because it's part of like our unwinding to let this happen like through us so and it's very intense because um yeah sometimes like Paulina wants something Gabriel wants something and we need to like really heal this and watch this and yeah because it wasn't like my plan or his plan it feels like just like happen and we had like no choice um so yeah I think this is the first thing like we never planned this and this is why it feels so intense too because it's not um it's not like common we don't have like past associations to um to use like like if we if we watch like the symbols in the world like for us like it's a couple you should get like we got married as you know like we live together first and then we got married and then now you have to have children then that's the the script for like a couple and uh actually this first house started with this we hired like we fell to by the house like and was we prayer like Jesus showed me the view of the house and was really um yeah it was really beautiful but after we bought it like the ego came and brought like all the preferences and everything like it looked like Paulina wanted still wanted in the world like to have a house to have a white kitchen and we needed to forgive everything and um yeah and was really intense so we hired like an architecture to help us with the project and the first um project she she showed us was like for a young couple like to live there and we look at that the project is like oh my god we can't we can't see ourselves living there like this is not the life we want to have it and since then like everything uh fails to fall apart and okay so what is this and we don't have like the past associates associations like how is gonna work uh yeah so I remember one day that we were pretty excited with the house and design the house and how it would be and it was a Saturday with movie session and we said well let's go to the movie session we can stop a little bit design in a house and go to the move workshop it was a film I don't know you showed that house life of a house that the guy built the house and he died in the end and it's not about building the house it's about healing everything and it's it's something that we always come back that uh it doesn't feel like building a house or building a community it feels like I'm building and self-concept and I'm building everything that is between us and it seems to have a lot of layers and it seems like reverse so you start on building the painting the very superficial things and you start to go deeper and it feels sometime harder and it's a beautiful symbol that now we're starting the foundation of the second the expansion of one of the houses and my feeling is that we are reaching the foundations of our self-concepts like in reverse they are meeting together and without disrupting the ego foundations you can't be you can't build the foundations of these next steps of going deeper so it's it's a pretty intense unbuilding and this symbol seems very confusing because you don't have like any guidance looking to the form and it's really easy to follow into trying to organize things or look for symbols and they are confusing because the same symbol can be used by the Holy Spirit in a moment and the next moment the ego uses it so it's how to come back to the present trust and to remember the purpose like it's only about the purpose where come back to the purpose it's not even about building starting a community it's not it's about uncompromising the purpose and and being fully immersed in the present moment trust and guidance yeah well that's so beautiful because you really have both articulated that that the whole spiritual journey is definitely not what we could have an imagination about or an idea of I mean for most of us I think for both of you and for me growing up if somebody had told me when I was a child or a teenager or even as a young adult they had mentioned the words spiritual community I would have said what's that because I had no idea I mean I didn't know and I think it's good I didn't really know what I was walking into uh with the whole thing and I think that's kind of the way the spiritual journey goes because it's such a journey of undoing it's such a journey of dismantling it's a journey of unwinding and and we grow up learning and believing that we need to find our our purpose in life and and oftentimes our parents or friends or culture or books we know what hell is well this is what you're supposed to do like you mentioned you know you were in the middle of building and designing your first house when it started to come in more and more like what this was really about because you as you both talked about the preferences come up and actually it was only yesterday I was just sitting talking to Slava and she said oh I when Polina visited you know we did have a beautiful day where we went to a little that little uh a restaurant um cafe where we all went Polina and Slava went there and she said Polina opened up and told me about her life growing up and with her parents and and all the things and and we had so many commonalities with different shameful things and things that we didn't want to even talk to the world about but then she said and they said yeah now you know Gabriel and Polina are taking all these these major steps and she said why are they doing that she said sometimes I could almost just I could just kick Polina she's got a gorgeous husband she's got everything in life that I've always wanted and why would you mess that up by going after this calling because I think what you're both talking about it's the highest calling that there is you know in the eastern traditions of India they call it self-realization uh in the ancient Greeks called it know thyself uh Abraham Maslow the famous psychologist called it self-actualization you know that was at the top of his pyramid know who you are that's the purpose of of everything is to remember who you are remember God and remember yourself as a pure creation innocent eternal creation of God and yet it's so opposite of all the conditioning so that when you do find yourself kind of inside your heart saying yes you know saying yes to okay this is I want to answer the calling I don't want to push it aside and play a game or just play out my conditioning and then grow old grow sick and die I want to actually go for a goal that was not set by me but was set for me of of pure inner peace and innocence and and not that that's a a goal in time because that's probably the most disjointed thing of all is that all of our conditioning points towards future goals building the kind of house we want designing the kind of colors color schemes the white kitchen I remember when I was talking to my parents years ago when they were both alive my mother and my dad would sit there in the living room they say the closest we came to getting divorced was when we put wallpaper up on that wall they they were just trying to put wallpaper up on one wall in the house and that was the closest they came to getting divorced because probably all kinds of ego preferences and control and everything came up and then they flew out of control and as Jesus says in the course whoever is the saner of the two in that moment remember the gratitude to your brother for what what is really there you know like you your brother is is reflecting back your mind and your unconscious beliefs and that's the only way you're going to make it is through it would take you trillions of years unless you had your brothers and sisters reflecting back what's in that mind because ego did such a good hiding job it it buried it it locked the door and it sealed it so that line would be a slave to the ego forever and ever and ever and now there's some of us on the planet not a lot but there's some that seem to be part of a wave of of awakening now and it's it's dramatic it's intense there doesn't seem to be consistency like you said for month to month because one one month you're flowing with the Holy Spirit and you're doing seeing things done through you and you're dancing and singing and and laughing and then the next month it's the same backdrop and it's just turned into a horror story it's turned into like a nightmare so I think right away though you both have really a good strong strong foundation when you you see that it's about healing the mind it's about mind training it's about trying to remember and choose the miracle as quickly as possible when it gets really chaotic and dramatic and and that takes a lot of willingness too because there's so much pride involved in who's right who's wrong it it takes like huge it's like a real strong willingness to just say okay wait a minute let's stop a moment here we're not at peace and we need to take a pause here and and and take a moment to come back to the reverence and to the sacredness of this moment here and I think it's actually helpful when every day to remember that this is not about trying to achieve something in form it's not about trying to accomplish something in form one time I mean at the beginning for me Jesus would take me around all around the country the United States and then Canada then all around the world to actually to into people's homes and also into some spiritual communities I went even down in I think it was Venezuela and some of the places I went I was invited to ashrams and I would go in there sometimes all the people were dressed in white or something and there'd be some sort of a guru figure there and I would be greeted and I'd be asked to participate in some kind of a big gathering which I knew nothing up I I never had a guru I never knew anything about spiritual communities and and I basically was taken by Jesus into people's households to learn how to pray and listen and follow and be of true service to be of true helpfulness in so many people's living rooms and basements and back yards and kitchens before I ever went to what seemed to be the spiritual community because Jesus was kind of like oh you're not even ready you'll get freaked out you walk in the front door one of those communities you know you'll run out the out the back door but it was more about praying that prayer I'm here only to be truly helpful I'm here to represent him who sent me that prayer at the beginning of the course and then letting go of of controlling anything because basically initially I was going into people's homes as a guest I was invited and I was being hosted but it was their house it was their house rules it was their food it was their space and so it was almost like Jesus was injecting me like a little fluid and a needle into many different little petri dishes a laboratory of different homes where he was saying the first thing to be truly helpful is you have to learn how to be humble and how to realize that you're there to bring a blessing you're not there to change the situation you're not there to change people you're not there to change anything about the form and this was actually decades ago but recently Sava and I took about 12 days down through the southeastern United States and all the way to Florida and back and it was just like the old days it was you had you know we really didn't stay I think only one night out of the 12 days did we stay at at a motel I believe we had 11 days of being with people living in their space and their rules and their everything and and it reminded me of like wow this feels very much like my very very very first travels where where I was having to let go now you both live in South America Jesus did not start me off in South America he started me off in the waiting the toddler pool the kiddie pool and then he had to be splashed my feet around and it was actually it was actually about let's see well about 17 years before Jesus took me to South America I had 17 years to prepare for what would I would experience in South America and what happened was mostly it was Argentina and Colombia and some of Venezuela was I found myself in a place where I didn't speak the language I didn't know the culture and people were happy to see me but they at the beginning they had very strong ideas of how we should spend our day and what we should do and I was through 10 years of university and many years of the course and teaching students and some you know we had a little bit of structure and organization and everything but it was like Jesus was like he was throwing me into the Amazon river when I was in South America because I would actually say to him some days like what is the purpose of this and he would say you have to let go of of your agenda and I said am I supposed to teach the course he said not in the way that you have I'm going to have to show you that with being with people in their environments which is exactly what it was was about letting go of all preferences all control all agendas for the entire day I mean I mean I wake up in the morning and I think God give me five minutes it would be like no that's too much it would start before I could go to the bathroom or brush my teeth it would it would start and then I would be feel like I was kind of sucked into something and then at night when I would lay my head on the pillow I would spit out I was like I was kind of sucked into something and then spit out and I would just pray like if I got to do this another day and then yes and then another day and then another day and then another day and I thought there's going to be nothing left of me there's no me left there's going to be no me left and Jesus was like yeah yeah into me see into me see don't look for into must see in the bodies into me see into my Christ mind see see with my eyes see with perceive it with me and and you'll be able to left perceive it without me and you believe you're on your own and and it is it's a drama it's like a struggle so I would have to say to I mean even even here I'm sitting in my office and this morning our cat is very athletic so the cat gets on the roof and comes to the screen right here and bangs on the screen for like 20 minutes wanting me to let her in on the second floor she's so acrobatic she has no problem getting up but I just had to continue my work in the office and under my guidance and then finally I went down a little bit later and I looked around the yard and there she's meowing I said oh come she did get down but I had to really let go of any kind of expectations about the cat on a roof to let it play out and I think that's that's probably one of the most difficult things with people it's difficult in partnerships but also when you have other people that that like you both got married or when you have or living with other people that it seems like the matrix of complexity in terms of preferences and agendas can seem to go a little bit higher it's intense enough with two people but that's the thing I noticed and I think that's why Jesus took me to so many households and and actually then I did have so many visits to communities because I could see that there was a lesson and the lesson was to find peace like I can say there wasn't like a form lesson it was more just a lesson to come to like a consistency of peace of mind and that's really what was the core lesson underneath it because without that it just can seem like the ego sets it up for failure you know when I first started even getting some internal guidance to to start a spiritual community I did the thing like most people would do I googled it and when I googled it I was shocked to find that 85 percent of all communities fail they had a broad range a broad definition they were like eco communities where share food or share growing food or share childcare or share certain kind of values and beliefs so then when I looked at at the idea of like spiritual community not just a religious community based based on some theology or some philosophy or church but but the ones based on like awakening or self-realization or something like that which of course your goals is aimed at that and and I think the mystical teachings of Jesus and the apostles and Mary Magdalene everything they were all very much into spiritual awakening but they were very misunderstood by the culture of their day and I think even a thousand years later they're very much misunderstood because there's so many things that are assigned to them or projected onto them that really didn't have anything to do with what they were attempting you know in their mind so yeah so maybe if you have any specifics in terms of so where is it at now with the two houses are you able to live in both of them or are they still kind of works in progress in terms of construction and getting things set up and everything yeah like right now we are still at the apartment it feels important to like end this circle here like like finish this yeah this place somehow we don't know when exactly but the frequency of one more house is ready and it's working like right now Patricia is there she's painting we received a donation of a table and chairs and now like painting and finishing some things there and yeah like this first house that appeared after the we bought the first one it's like it's ready to work there are some still some things to fix because we rented this house and it's like an old house so we needed like some things at the laundry and some yeah but yeah and the other house it's the first part was it's almost finished I think like October will be ready and we're gonna start to extend that this house because we rebuild it the this first one and the plan is to extend it so yeah this week we received the permission from the government to start doing that so I think that's why things started to arise because it was the like green light to really start the foundation of this extension and it's so symbolic because we needed to unbuild to rebuild and now extend yeah and it seems with with this foundation that we seem to be talking about start foundation the second part of the house there is an unwinding of the foundations of the ego and self-concepts and yesterday we looked at a lot to the fear of consequence of taking the wrong path to maybe well are we listening to the guidance the guidance is to expand the house or not and if we do it and it was not the guidance we could be making error and that could cost us our peace of mind so a lot of this fear of consequence and we could found peace on the fact that's not about the future or the house being built but to remember to be present trust and we can't mess it up because if it's feeling some kind of drama or it's just to remember to come back to the present moment and there is a lot of fear of the ego mixing up with the spiritual in a spiritual project so we are looking to a lot of these ideas of trying to bring truth to the illusion so how to to make sure that it's always bringing the illusion to the truth and I see a lot of intensity of ego thoughts coming and out thoughts so this night I wake up in the middle of the night thinking wow it's too big the house too complex maybe there is preference of us maybe the cinema is the preference of Gabriel that likes movies but it's also to to watch with people in for awakening and so comes back for this confusion of symbols to find this clarity of purpose and and find that that present trust and and that's when we wake up and we were talking about that and said well let's call David because that's the symbol of giving the illusion to the truth and saying that too and we were praying together saying well Jesus we don't have to have any closed room take all the keys and if there is some room that's still closed we're here to to give you the keys open and release it to the light yeah and I feel that we felt to ask for help because the form was too real it's like oh my god we are really believing that we are like the project is complex like the form was seems too real and I say okay so this is like for me it's a symbol that we are losing content with the purpose and I don't want just like a intellectual understanding of the purpose I want to feel and was so symbolic because yeah yesterday I I was guided to meet my sister and my uncle and then we went to like a small store and I felt to buy like a dress was really guy was really obvious but the dress was bigger and I said oh my god with many things I have in mind do I need to find someone to fix the dress for me and like at night I receive a message from a woman that she fix it like close and she's like hi Paulina I'm gonna be there in your building next week with I'm I felt to ask if you need something and for me was just like oh that's why I want to feel that Jesus is really giving like things I don't need to yeah so how beautiful but it's interesting too because um I did I did see that photo I think on Instagram of Patricia painting also I recently received an announcement from you it was like a video of Dallas Jenkins and his wife Amanda who are the makers of the chosen series um coming down to Brazil just ready to catch a plane to come to Brazil and the thing about it is I think they are also trying to follow Jesus live their life in a very dedicated way and when they make the chosen they set it up as a as a company not even a nonprofit as a for-profit company where they would hire actors and actresses and scriptwriters and the course Dallas is kind of like the the director but his wife Amanda is very involved in lots of discussions they have discussions like you both have all day long because their expression of love and devotion to Jesus and trying to live the life of Jesus is to produce a series that comes out season one season two season three I think they're just ready to start putting out season four and there's been all kinds of controversies that have arisen more recently about even when they were filming somebody maybe wears a hat or has a symbol of of LGBT you know gay and and it goes against a lot of Christian beliefs around gays and it turns into a giant firestorm which they answered briefly and then they have to answer it in much more depth mostly Dallas doing that but I think the the thing I take away from that is that you both are aware that that you're letting all the key saying Jesus open all the doors in our mind open all the beliefs open all of our thoughts to healing and so in one sense you're already aware that even though it seems like it involves houses and people and what could seem to look like some kind of community living situation that you're both aware that that's not really it that if you would go by the belief that that's actually what's happening that would actually make things very distressed very chaotic very intense and I think that's the same with with Dallas Green and his wife Amanda you know they they've got to keep having their heart to heart communications and they had to realize they have a core set of values when they first started and they have had to stick with their core values what are the priorities what are the values because they've been doing this for years and when all the seeming public controversy started and people making memes and videos and and taking sides and they started to explode then they really had to start to face like wow why did we get into this in the first place and I don't think either of them saw it coming either they didn't see themselves getting so involved in a a global movement of a of a series that would go into all these countries and touch the lives of so many people they just started off with with crowdfunding and pay it forward and they were just going like show to show opening that they had enough money to continue making the shows but now it's exploded into this massive thing and so when I listen to them and I listen to both of you I can see that that's why when I started just starting to open up to the idea of spiritual community and Jesus was saying just stay keep it real simple with no people pleasing and no private thoughts let's use these two guidelines but practice them don't just have them you know down on a piece of paper but actually really practice them and then he said that will open up these kind of open honest direct heart to heart discussions that don't always feel but but they always bring a lot of healing because the goal is is open direct honest communication and I think both of those guidelines no people pleasing and no private thoughts are aimed towards please take me to a state of non judgment where I can just accept all things exactly as they are I remember also I was reading Jesus was telling me that everyone who seems to come to to planet earth and to time and space they they will organize their perception based on their belief system so when we're looking at the world the whole world we can say that it's like a a perceptual reflection or a motion picture of our consciousness and that was helpful for me because no matter what was going on whether it was globally or in the country or in the community or even in in the partnership or even in my mind psychically that it was just showing me what I believed and the Jesus was telling me said that's really important because you will perceive what you believe and until you start to question some of those beliefs in lack beliefs in privacy beliefs in exclusion beliefs in comparison beliefs in future outcomes in form you know like what would be a successful community Jesus is like don't ask that question because you'll miss my point if you're looking to that because as soon as we start looking to these kind of unconscious future outcomes then the fear comes in the fear of consequences the fear of making a wrong turn of making a wrong decision that will involve a cost or some kind of penalty or some kind of feeling a sacrifice and and I I really wanted to retain that sense of lightness and lack or playfulness because that to me reminds me of innocence you know when we're laughing and we're playful and we can joke that that to me is important that's one of the reasons why I actually enjoy watching the chosen series is because the Jesus in the series has a sense of humor he's he's playful with the apostles he's playful with with Mary Magdalene and the wives and the women that are around he's he's he's quite playful with those that are closest to him and then those that are other around him you know they're trying to trap him or trick him or arrest him or something like this then he just seems to kind of go back into prayer and trust that he's safe with everything and everyone but I especially like how playful he is and humorous with those that he's close and and I've really tried to hold to that as best I can it's not easy when when there's something darkness is coming up and it seems like serious and intense that's being playful and and joyful and laughing is the farthest thing from the mind but initially I think if you if you both pray together and you really come back to just some basic core simple principles or values that you hold dearly and you stay with those you just keep the conversation really direct and simple between both of you even if there's more people that want to join in you've kind of got to hold the torch with those values and principles because if it starts to feel like the torch is to take it out of your hands or that is just gone out of control then that's when the fear level can start to go up oh my gosh what the doubt thoughts come in what did I even think I was doing how why did I need to go down this road you know the doubt thoughts can come up pretty strong when we we get away from the core principles and for most people in the world just being married and and having one household or one apartment is is as much as they can take that's up to their they're up to their chin and intensity and communication and so that's why these broader principles that that you really feel deeply and you actually feel therefore everyone for the whole world that you're kind of birthing these principles in your mind in your experience not trying to change the world you're not going to try to let this become an image that you have to protect you're not going to let this become political sometimes i'm not just talking about political the way the world talks about it but even when you have nonprofits which frequency the more is now nonprofit and if you have a board i said initially i was willing to have my name be on and participate in nonprofit boards with one condition that that we always had to communicate and remember that this is about our connection and nothing else because for me if it got into people like taking real votes three to two and and two of what the other three voted on i said i'm out if it ever gets political even in terms of the boards i i'm out i i'll have to go my way because because that's not really in line with my purpose i'm not here to try to manage people i'm not here to try to control something in form i'm here to try to live the teachings of jesus and and really mean it you know i i'm not here so i think that was important for me to to myself to say as long as i can stay with my principles my core principles then i will be involved in something and if people come to me at some point and they say no we don't we want to do something else then i i just say then good i bless you you you have to do what you feel you have to do i always enjoyed like the i just watched a video a few weeks ago on the Steve Jokes the founder of of apple so we have these iPhones and i've got a computer that he helps bring about and and tablets and all these things laptops but he actually formed apple and then he formed a board of trustees or board of directors and then he got fired from his own company and at the time he said in the video he said i didn't even know you could get the founder could get fired from but he was designing things and had some ideas for products that the board did not agree with so even though he was the founder they fired him and he did say in a commencement address at a university that that was one of the greatest things that ever happened to him because even though it was emotional he got fired he met people after he came through his drama he met people that would help reflect his whole new direction for life his whole new purpose he met he met the people he met his wife he met all the ones that would be so connected with him for the rest of his days until he passed away with with pancreatic cancer i think he was only like 56 and he passed away but but one of the things that he said was one of the key points was when he got fired from his own company that that takes a lot of humbleness because that goes so opposite to the whole world you know the world would say that's a disaster how could how could that even happen you know even with jesus you know he seemed the more focused he was and the more clear and direct he was as the three years of this public ministry went along i think some of his biological family were shaking their head a lot of friends family people around him he had completely lost it and and and the way they would say too it didn't end well but i think we're we're starting to realize that you know all of our judgments of beginnings and endings are are not the truth we can put a lot of focus on those things but but in the end you know there's some kind of it's a trust inside of us it's so strong and it just grows stronger and stronger as we go along but i feel like that will help you organize things with with the houses another thing is like when you have houses you know we tend to think of there are people residing in the houses and yet i had to think of it more as like symbols these are just symbols of my mind because there are people that came to work on the houses that that didn't live there they were contractors this woman is stopping by your apartment complex to to make an adjustment on your your dress your new dress she's not you're not recruiting her to to be part of the community she's just showing up to say yeah i can help you out i can i can alter your dress and there were so many people that came that were not really residing in the house the other thing i think people have to feel free that that if they are to reside there and you feel it and you feel it fits in with these core values and the the values that you're aiming for then that's a wonderful thing but people also have to be always aware that they can choose to join you or choose to not join you and to choose to reside with you or choose to not reside with no kind of overlay like no kind of story about living there or not living there because jesus was telling me is people have to feel that they have a sense of of praying and following their guidance and choosing and that's so important because he said if they don't feel that then they can they can feel coerced or they could feel that they've been tricked into something or they can feel that something was taken away from them that something was lost and you don't want to go towards any of those feelings the ego will of course come up and it will judge things you know what it feels but i think that's another part of spiritual community is just to keep it as simple as possible and i always had to come back to how do i feel that's that's that was the most helpful thing for me listen to everybody but then i had to be aware how do i feel does it feel expanding i have a nephew who is only 22 years old and i met him on my trip to florida and he has an instagram page so i said well i'm gonna look him up and i'm gonna i'm going to follow him on instagram yesterday i came in i just hopped into instagram on my computer and the first real the first video was my 22 year old nephew and he was in his truck driving and he had a little camera there and he was doing recording a reel and he was saying you have to keep expanding don't let anything from the past hold you back don't let his family hold you back don't let his friends hold you back if you're in a certain group in circle and you don't feel you're growing and learning and expanding in the circle and he said get out of that circle because he's he's only 22 he said i just want to keep growing and expanding and he said things too he said if he said if you're the smartest person in the room then get out of that room you need to be with people that will help you expand people that you tell what to do or how to think you need to be with people that will help you expand your awareness and i thought wow that's fantastic to listen to my 22 year old nephew i was so thrilled to hear his message because i thought yeah that's a good message all the way through you know that we're not here to try to make something static or form some kind of structure and to maintain status or structure we're just here to grow and expand and and that's i think that's what jesus wants for all of us you know that's really the simplicity of it he just wants us to keep expanding intuitively so something intuitively feels right for you then i think go for it fully and it doesn't feel right then then take time to pause and pray on it you know as you don't have to jump into anything and you don't have to try to make anything happen you can just kind of allow it to happen every day just allow it wow yeah and i think you were like intuitive like answering like our question because like right now what's really going on here is like we are feeling to take these steps about like how this uh frequency domo house will work and things are arriving around this like who's gonna reside there who's gonna just serve or when we're gonna have like projects there like with time which is feels more right now it feels more gentle to have for example two months uh projects and working there and i don't know we are like really praying about this and i'm like i'm i'm experienced a lot of intensity because i'm seeing some reflections of doubts about this even like for example michelle and gabrielle the other gabrielle they have like a life long commitment with like jesus too but they they also have like their lives like michelle has like her husband and gabrielle still like he's still praying about some things and gabrielle this gabrielle doesn't have like a strong gas to live in this house and i say oh my god and i'm i'm feeling like i'm feeling that jesus is asking me to talk about like commitment and it feels important but i was like how i'm gonna do this because um like i'm not i'm i don't want the commitment with the form like it's not about commitment commit with the house or with frecuencia del amoro with paulina or with because we're gonna it's a big house so we're gonna have we're gonna need help uh uh with like cleaning and kitchen and maintenance of the house so we have functions but um yeah and i talked to lisa a lot about this she helped me a lot like really go deeper and um uh as she said to me like take this ship jesus is asking you to take this ship and like right now it feels i don't know confusing how to take this ship what it looks like it's in four but it's not and gabrielle he's feeling guided to um to assume like a function which is like the transition he sold his company to a big bank but it seems that there will be like a time of transition for him like so he will need to stay more in san paulo and he's praying about this so right now we are like in the middle of this like really needed some clarity around these commitments and yeah maybe you can talk i don't know if you want to share something else about this yeah um i think that it's this unwinding of any self-concept because also like when i i sold the company i thought well now i'm going to live in the community and be a spiritual teacher and student and and be in the mountains meditating relaxing i even had a call with david and i said well now i want to break free from complexity and what happened is that seems that there was a function that i need to help in this transition and one day i said when i was going to talk with the president of the bank to tell about the the dream the fire dream before it it feels important the symbol of the fire okay was before this time before yeah yeah i had a dream where everything was getting fire and like but i wouldn't get into the fire i could help people without being burned and when i woke up i just played the shuffle music on the car and started the music that that i i never listened before which was uh circles of ludovic an Audi i think which is about uh fire of purification and how this spirit is always involving you and it's always helping and everything is burning but this is the process of purification and i was well something wants to tell talk of me but i don't i don't get to understand and then i was going to do a transaction to like pay a something and i was going to open the app i saw this something there which is the bank that saw that it's a flame and so i listening this time you can get into the fire that you're not going to burn and after that like the bank was answering me to help with these functions and i said about Jesus no way i'm not going i'm going to the mountains to the don't give me any options and then i went to the tower of the bank to talk of the president of the bank and when i got into the building there was just a sign like i am i send the picture to polyans that inside of matrix like inside the matrix and there is like i am signed here so i went to the top floor to talk with the president that big room and i said Jesus is not enough i'm still really afraid don't give me a choice what i have to do here and then it came a person that serves like in the room and i said well nice to meet you what's your name and he said my name is jesus and i started laughing and i started laughing and said i really like my name here on this floor it's me my mary and moises i started laughing and and then i have this talk and i said well i can't have a commitment to serve you because my commitments to serve god and if this is what he wants i'll be here but not too con with a commitment with a company or something here for the better of the all and for me and it seems to be very like have a true calling but i'm resisting a lot because i want to be here with pauline i want to be like in the house and and so this is bringing more intensity for everything because this is the dismounting of the company but i have this uh some time of transition i have been to travel a lot and i was avoiding complexity but it's complexing that that is coming and and the the only place that i can relax is like i feel that i'm being uh i don't say how to say but the way is getting thinner and i have to be present because if i do one step out it comes all the matrix weight comes in one instant like like david says to be the carpet don't don't go out of the way and this thought of all uh do do i steal when protecting something is still i wanting something uh how can i because it's really not the the self-concept that i was seeing um together with the house and and we are questioning also like what is the spiritual community what is that and and it seems to be much more than living the same house or or being uh in the umbrella of some symbol or some institution it's it feels like something that can't be inside the house or inside the institution or inside the book or inside but it's a state of mind to be united and and don't use past learning to to try to fill the box of spiritual community that's the the box of spiritual community and i feel that jesus have he must have some really specific function because it's it feels like a surreal movie like company matrix and houses and and david guiding us and jesus and that's a pretty confusion and how to meet how this is always going to fit it feels like no past and just present one step at a time and at the same time it feels really important for him i feel like we are really close and he's really using this opportunity to let the emotions come and to practice like the communication like the clear communication no private thoughts no people please because if he people please like there he will suffer so it feels perfect and he at the same time he is helping like he's supporting me because he's not directly involved with the house so with the intensity that is arising he it feels like helpful for me yeah but that's where we are yeah that's beautiful because like even if you start with the word community and you shrink it you know shrink it down to just commune commune is is part of your communication with god and with each other commune when we talk about communing with god we're really talking about staying in the prayer and i think that's when i was telling you earlier how jesus sent me to so many different houses apartments all around the country around the world was he was kind of teaching me don't think of community no they don't even go there just come back to the commune because even though at times your bodies will be in different places you just you can call each other at those moments i i need to just join and connect i need to to join in prayer with you if something you know it can be about anything because the situations in form will will seem to look very different just like for me going around to many many different houses i think to be very helpful for me to start to deepen in my purpose uh and i may have preferred to be off in the mountains you know because i did some travels and gatherings and i was up in the rocky mountains with the group and we were doing eye gazing and singing hallelujah and and we were doing all these things and and i was thinking i want to do this the rest of my life but jesus had much different plan which was more to stay connected stay in the prayer together and and be able to just join and connect moment by moment as needed uh just to remember the the purpose to stay in the commune communing and remember the communication of communing so i think yeah that's kind of how it goes where there's there's quite a bit of unwinding and so we can say there's past knowledge past symbols even a view gay grail you know being the head of a company you've gone through so much undoing just with the company as a backdrop you know from baloney and company to try to sell it and then be then being made the ceo or the cfo of the company you've kind of like a diamond you've already faced many aspects of being used just with the with the company and then with paulina with frequency the more there's been so many shifts and changes like every time you would come to mexico or come to visit me you would say you would come back and the diamond has shifted everything had shifted around you weren't coming back to the same frequency the more it was like it was a brand new and that builds trust uh because when we're not caught up in the changing form and judging it and evaluating it then we can just let things be as they are and stay in the communion and that seems to be the way the forgiveness works you know we we just uh they have to be used in ways that that we can still do like here where i'm at now i'm at this little peace house in cincinati that has been around since 1996 this goes back quite a few years but the configuration is a little bit different and it's always brand new it's every day it's like it doesn't matter how many years it's still facing the same things okay what do we need to do today tell us how i feel to do a live uh oh what are you gonna do with them i don't know i'm i'm still in prayer that i didn't know that piece of the puzzle she felt to go to a home improvement center to look into flowers and i said good i'll do my live i don't know what it's going to be yet you go and you get the flowers uh and then later on we'll join at cleaning the patio with the power power washer so but we just commune commune and moment by moment just communing the form can look however it looks and the form really doesn't look the way we idealize because when even when we think of spiritual community and houses we have thoughts that come to mind like gabry i was like okay i'll go i'll i'll i'll show some movies and engage with people in the theater maybe have some lunch we'll go off and get some mats and do some meditation and and go into some deep meditations together and then the unwinding looks completely different that's the ideal you know it may come to be that you know it may be that as you go along that that's exactly what you're doing you know okay movie session morning let's have some lunch let's have a little siesta in the afternoon followed by meditation maybe walking meditation around the grounds and then we go to sleep you know it we can have an ideal but but it doesn't always come to pass exactly during the time frame that we believe it should happen the timing of it it seems to come in a much a much different way yeah and let it go the expectations again as you were saying because we we create some expectation when we found this has a okay and was really guided i felt jesus say okay so now everybody because this apartment was really small for us we really needed like a bigger space and jesus and i thought it was this house that we're building it's like okay so when we finish the house and then the other house appears like okay another house and then i say okay we found the house so everybody will be ready to move to the house and the house is there and nobody's actually leaving there patricia is just feeling to stay like a few days there and and yeah i have no control but at all the time letting go of the expectations and just trust and the other day there is a lot of this house things here and i came back from san paulo which i'm going like three days in a week and said well paulian i think that it will be gentle to have an apartment in san paulo so i can get quiet to your dad and he said no no but one more house three two three oh my god yeah yeah that's beautiful too because you both have such open hearts i heard that you had invited kenneth and nana to come which is so beautiful too because um because they've been out traveling a lot and and for nana this is all brand new even traveling with ken was not something that she saw uh necessarily coming and so it's it's ever new but but that's kind of interesting too because as everybody seems to be given like assigned parts by i call it jc central that's what i call jesus i jc central so when people say what's happening i'm saying we're we're waiting for instructions from jc central today i love it then you know and then everybody plays their parts you know gabriel may be going to san paulo for three days a week part of an unwinding of of the company and and the transition and then palina you can be given the part that feels helpful for you it's not like the parts are always fixed oftentimes i feel like they do come in with with kind of a like an assignment feeling for a period of time and even with our community now which has evolved and evolved many times over many years it still feels like that commitment is important of course there's a deeper commitment to forgiveness and to waking up but in terms of time sometimes it's organized around projects or skills sometimes people will just come and say i i want to reside in the community but there's there's no strong guidance or instruction or they their skills don't fit in to any projects and we just pray that if we're going to do a project we we trust jesus will send the people with the right skills and abilities uh also that another one that's very common in in human existence and human living is the financial part of it but i've had to try to take take my my filters off of all that and just really go into prayer like if there's this very strong feeling like someone could be helpful in a particular situation then we trust that jesus will will bring this person to our mind and that that will be part of something that we may not see the full picture like for example in mexico we have la casa de malagros as you're both aware of and we seem to get into all kinds of things around electricity use we have solar panels and usage using a lot this summer and it turned into kind of a kind of a complex situation around electrical use and so there was holy encounters with electricians and electrician from guadalajara and and with the utility company cfv and then another character came in that we didn't originally see was a friend of ours who lives in canada it's been kubernetes who's a professional electrician we're like whoa canada and then kirsten felt it yeah so yeah with jason yeah yeah so oh this friend richard had to unwind from cellavan uh lease an apartment take steps but in a matter of days in in september he's going to come down to the community and just where we need an electrician the most he's going to land uh and be there to help out at la casa de malagros a professional electrician it's almost like jesus is saying you got to trust me here but you people are going to need more than you can handle you're going to need a professional to come and live in your community for some weeks or months to help sort this out but it's just like you polina with the dress you know you were thinking i i don't need to be thinking about uh altering address i i hand that over to you jesus and then you get the message i'm going to be in your apartment complex and it's all handled that's a miracle when when things like electrical issues are handled by a friend of ours who's been in our in and out of our community and and we love him very dearly he's a professional electrician coming that's just a gift from the holy spirit you just have to just go thank you that i we couldn't see that necessarily at the beginning but his name did come up from from jesus in our prayers and we we jumped on it and he jumped on it and it's going to be a blessing i can feel oh thank you for sharing because i just uh remember like a miracle around these two and i'm feeling to extend to remember to myself because yeah when we found this house the frequency level house um yeah after we found and then it took like a time uh while for the family was living there and i had this thought oh my god the house needs repairs it's a whole old house and but i had the same thought like i'm not gonna worry about this this is yours just this house is yours so take it i i just tell me what to do and i woke up one day uh here in the apartment we have like two other rooms and the the room that gabriel's uh has his closet uh has like a bed and the the closet broke the door from the the closet broke and was and i i i called two people to repair and was too exposed and i didn't felt and i let there for months like really months i think was like two months three i don't know and so and it was like a mess because people were coming and michelle and gabriel was coming and they were the only room and no door and and one day i woke up and i heard like you're gonna fix the the door and i say okay and then nilsa was here helping me and i said nilsa do you know someone that can help us with the door and she was like oh actually i do the the girl that i work uh downstairs she invited like a guy he's really good he does he does everything so just call him and no and then i say i'm gonna ask her to give me uh this tomorrow and say no i need today can you please call her and then she's like yes i can and then she called like in two hours he was there he was here andre he called andre and he came and he's like he he's like a builder he's a professional he understands about everything like really and then he went here and helped us and we were like actually uh working some songs and with gabriel and gabriel we were like receiving a song called the heaven is now beautiful and we were stuck in this song like the we couldn't like flow and a lot of healing between the three of us yeah many things and then andre came and he wrote like 60 songs for jesus and he had like a heart broken because he was part of like a church and uh he wasn't like agreeing with the church and he left and stopped singing but he had like 60 songs and he was like hearing us and then he came and helped us with the song we all sing it together fix the door and fix the song fix the song and helped us with the house because everything we needed in the for pennsylvania house he took it and uh it was like really a mirror a total miracle because everything we needed like from the shower to the painting he helped with everything but in my mind i was still judging because gabriel the other gabriel was like um it was really intense for him but i felt to give him this function to help with the the construction but and was but was really intense for him and in my mind i was like oh andre we need to hire hire him like pay him because yeah and i was like i can't pay he needs it has to be a volunteer like all these like thoughts but everything was flowing forward to this and yeah it was a miracle because yeah he's yeah i don't know i just tried to explain because to remember myself that jesus is really taking care of really bringing yeah i think that's the most important thing because we aren't to try to figure it out but we are to keep just praying and listening and following and and it's also both of you know too that that uh the circumstances around the book this moment is your miracle in portuguese you know getting the translation that victor and juliana have worked on for two years and then it kind of reached a little bit of a snag after you had worked in head of europe joining with the publisher new harbinger and and how that would work and i was saying yes just take the book you use the proceeds for frequency demore and and so forth and that was beautiful too because palina i and victor had a beautiful miracle call and everything in 20 minutes was sorted and and came really clear and clean even though it had taken some weeks until just patience until that came in and i feel like that's that's like the key to everything you know we we don't have to try to force things or we don't have to try to analyze things and try to use our past learning because this is a journey of praying and listening and following and then it just shows up and even with our collaborations around this the gift and the mystical christ academy and the teachings the whole thing and diana did not coming in and you having such a connection with her polina and then you're both agreeing to let's just take it one step at a time and let it be shown so i think we see so many examples when we don't try to control it it just works out so wonderfully just spectacularly and it's because i think behind it all jesus is just helping us with the most practical things every project we do every unwinding we do every house or apartment broken door or broken song or anything it it's all gets handled when we just keep trusting and then we just need to remind each other about all these miracles that we're having every day we're getting so many miracles that coz ego will try to put up like a dark spin on everything it's always going to try to tell us what's going wrong instead of reminding us how how spectacular the miracles are you know so we just keep reminding each other of it and it just that's our communion you know that's you don't have to get too far off in the community we can just shrink it back down to commune we're just communing in spirit and then we don't have to get into the complexities of of the form because really jesus and the holy spirit are going to handle all the form you know we will seek first the kingdom of heaven and we will let everything else be added unto us and you know we're just learning every day to build our faith yeah amazing but thank you this even this was so spontaneous i just had a feeling to do a live your message came in right when i was sitting in front of the screen i didn't know what the live would be about but there it is i didn't have to know what the live would be about even this this little joining it's just a perfect example of just trust and make the prayer and i'm so glad you reached out to me on on what's up and i i was sitting here turned over saw the message and didn't have to do a thing it just all happened me too we are so grateful and before i sent the message we rolled together and i read to him and i said okay this is for the whole universe we are asking the we are asking this hell for this whole universe and i never could imagine that we'll be here sharing life so yeah yeah literally for the whole universe i had this thought yeah it really is let's be in commune yeah i was remember the first time that we thought about starting the community we started a group called commune yeah because it said it's all about that and now it's come back full circle get back to the commune well we're all in this together i'm so glad we could share this for everyone it looks like there's there's 63 people on with us right now so suddenly spontaneously 63 of us from wherever we are in the world came together for this message and it's our quantum moment of commune communing with communing with the Holy Spirit and Jesus and yeah i'm so grateful i'm so grateful that you're in my life and i'm so grateful actually for these kind of technologies that allow us to have such a a deep connection so easily because uh yeah you've made the trip and i've made the trip down there so we know that's a lot of logistics to the airplanes and bodies and food and places to stay and then Jesus is like oh we could this can be simple we can do this in a real simple way and we're we're still discovering that yeah we are so grateful thank you so thank you okay well thank you for everyone who joined us today or whoever watches this uh just remember to stay in communion with the spirit that's the main thing just trust okay beautiful so i do have to find the off button we have to find the end screen button there it is i'm this is new for me too