 All right guys, I'm hanging out with Eli Mwenda. Hi Eli. Hey, how's it going? Very good. How are you feeling? I'm amazing. Can't complain. All good. Now of course, you know, we are here because of the new podcast platform in town, Wazel. How do you feel about it? And when you actually got an invite, how do you feel about it? I'm just really excited to see the podcast space expanding and we're making platforms for ourselves. It's a very exciting step. That kind of independence and, you know, empowering people that are starting because I think when I started podcasting, nothing like this was around. So it's exciting to see this for like the new group of people that are starting podcasting. So it's an exciting day. Very exciting. So how is it going for you, especially for Mantok? So far over the years, what are some of the lessons you know? You actually didn't know starting off, but right now you're like, ah, that's a walkover. How long do you have? Because the lessons are endless. I think the hardest thing when it comes to podcasting that we found is the consistency. Like putting out an episode every single week is not easy. So some of the lessons we've done in terms of production is like bulk cooking episodes so that we don't have to go into the studio every week. Managing costs, managing a team. And we call it financial engineering because there's a lot of money that goes into podcasting. So that's basically what we've done. Like try to make a model that can be sustainable for a long period of time. And then maintaining relationships has been another key one. So if you have a guest on, make sure they have a good time so the next person will say yes to coming on. And just navigating like that. Trying to be very smart and intentional with what we're doing. Yeah, but lots of mistakes along the way. So many. You guys have it from one of the best, you know, podcasters in Kenya right now. Now, let me ask, you know, especially with man talking, you know, tackling men issues, do you feel like actually men have started, you know, speaking out on what they are going through? Do you feel that? So it's a weird one, right? So what happens is if you sit online, the kind of interaction we get is all ladies. And you guys are like, oh my God, yeah, preach, you know, black boys joy. But then in real life, I'll bump into guys in a cafe, et cetera. And they'll be like, yo, the episode you did on this made me talk to my friends about this. I spoke to my family about this. I spoke to my girl about this. So I think the men are silent listeners, which is great to see. Which means we found our tribe, but they don't like to like show it online, which is okay. As long as it's getting to them at some point. But if the guys are watching, comment, you know, like engage online to encourage other guys to also get involved in that kind of thing. Yeah. There's always that aspect of, you know, men should act like men. Don't speak up. What do you like to say about that? I feel like the greatest strength a man has is vulnerability and communication. And if you could do both of those things, you'll find yourself in the best spaces, being your authentic self, and meeting people in an authentic way. And when you have authentic relationships, you'll grow financially and also just in life in general. So just start with like your authentic self. Don't try to put all these errors in graces or like, I'm a hard guy. Just be open and you'll never know what could happen. Yeah. Okay. To a more fun side, Eli, what is one thing that you feel people misunderstand, misunderstand you about the most? I think people think I'm very serious. Like I'm not that serious. Like I'm a chilled individual. I like to have fun. Like I'm not just rigid and like proper all the time. I enjoy myself. I think that's a misconception for sure. Yeah. Okay. No, because it's something that me and Oscar, my co-host have said, because he gets the same thing. People like, oh, you must be a very serious guy because of what you talk about. Or just normal dudes trying to figure it out. Yes. Yeah. What is that one thing that has touched your heart the past, you know, let's say one month. Let's say one month. Something that's touched my heart the past one month. Interesting. Ah. In like, in like life, like my relationships or just in general. In like, like generally. Um, wow. Okay. I feel like this is now just a very personal thing for me. I feel like I have managed to experience very authentic relationships. Um, because I think when you go for adversity, you realize like who's there for you. And I've managed to have very nice, uh, sometimes I didn't even expect it, connections with people based on something that was a negative. And from that has become a positive relationship. So that's been something that's touched me is like connecting with people on a very real level, whether that's family or friends in the last few months. Okay. Yeah. Talking about those relationships, what is, um, you know, three traits, if an acquaintance possesses, they cannot be your friend. Okay. Uh, acquaintance. We're saying acquaintance specifically. If they possess, but they cannot get close to you. Okay. Um, I would say dishonesty. Okay. Uh, we don't do that over here. Okay. Um, I would say any ism. So like if it's like sexism, racism, like anything like that, I don't do isms. Um, that's out of the way. And then someone that's like Volga. You know, like, they just have like Volga language or Volga actually tools things. Um, Volga actually tools like people and they're serving you that kind of thing. I don't like that. So those three traits for me would be it would remove you from my life. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's just about it because, you know, I like chooses to speak just about that. Guys. All right. Thank you so much for talking to us and enjoy your evening. Thank you so much. See you soon.