 I don't know if we have any amendments to the agenda. I don't recognize our guests. Do we have anything or any amendments to the agenda, Sarah? I don't. Okay. Wait. I just need you guys. I wanted to, I sent you orders. I need one more person to. Authorize that one payment. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So the only, uh, I don't know if we have any, I don't know, I don't know how we go forward with the road commissioner. Issue. And it's now a little more confusing perhaps because. Victor is running against me and Gary. Is running against. Steve. For the select board positions. So whatever we do. I want to be sure that we're not. In any, uh, In any way, but, uh, short of that, I'm open to any, uh, Any discussion about how we go forward on this. Peter. Um, I think we should, I think we should move forward. Uh, with this and interview the two people that have. Uh, expressed interest in that. In that job. Um, it's been. Uh, three weeks. Since, uh, since I resigned from there and, and I think, and we've had two people step forward. And I think we should interview. I agree. Me too. Yeah. I, I think, you know, Peter, you and I had talked, um, and you had asked me if I would. Certainly take your place. Um, on that interview committee and, and, uh, so that you wouldn't feel any conflict. I know Liz has some interest. I've been thinking about this a lot. I've been thinking about it a lot. And I've. Come up with a few solutions that I didn't like very much. Um, and you know what I ultimately concluded. And. Um, Um, And I'm part of me wants to suggest that maybe Liz. Should fill in for Steve. But one of the problems there is a Steve's the one. Who really has the knowledge base. About what. Believe me when I say, I've been thinking about this a lot. I've been thinking about a lot. And I've come up with a few solutions that I didn't like very much. And I realize. It has its own issues. But I think we should all do it. Oh. Yeah, then it's a meeting, but that's going to be a. The interview part can be done in executive session. Correct. Sarah. No, I'll have to check the statutes. I don't, I don't see. Let's just review them together. Shall we? Okay. So you could do this. First of all, you could do this at the next meeting on Tuesday. That would be good. You, there must be a specific finding that a premature general public knowledge would place the public body or a person involved at a substantial disadvantage. No. Um, It is important that the minutes show. Wait, hold on. I'm sorry. I'm on the wrong side. One negotiating or securing, securing real estate purchase or lease options. No. The appointment or employment or evaluation of a public officer or employee. So there you go. So you could, we could warn an executive session. Under one VSA 313 and I will warn a public portion after that executive session. So in case you guys decide to, um, make a decision. Does that work for you? Yeah. How does everybody feel about that? I just think. Here's Mary. Hey. Sorry, I took so long. Oh, perfect. You're here. I left the iPad out in the car. Okay. Well, we've been, well, we've been discussing is how to go forward with this road commissioner. Yeah. Uh, what we've been discussing is having us all meeting the entire select board, interview the two candidates and executive session. At our meeting on Tuesday. Um, well, my feeling is. I think we should postpone any longer. It's been three weeks. And I think that's, that's long enough. It's probably been too long, but. Yeah. I mean, three weeks isn't the end of the world, but I think we need to, we've had two people come forward. Maybe if we hadn't had anybody come forward, it'd be a little different. But with two people coming forward to, uh, Say that they would take that position. I think we should interview them. Well, I just feel like there's a potential conflict of interest because. Um, you have the two people running against two people on the select board. It's possible. That's a potential conflict of interest. But if we have. Five select board members there, uh, I don't, I don't see that it's a problem. I, I can't see where it's a problem. The other option. The other option would be to have the three select board members that aren't, uh, You know, in the race against each other, do the interview, and maybe even potentially selecting a community member to be involved in that or something. And then. There is absolutely no, uh, Conflict of interest at that point. No, but the three, the three that would be left, I don't, I don't see that it's a problem. I can't see where it's a problem. Um, or the people that know the least about the roads in terms of how you maintain them to the quality that we've had in the past. I agree with that. And, and, um, You know, there would definitely take some preparation for information to be put together for that meeting. Um, but maybe, maybe some, some of the, uh, community members that we have that do have experience with answer with roadways or whatever might be interested in and being on that panel. Just a suggestion. Yeah. My other thought would be I hear what you're saying. Come on, Steve. I'm just saying I think that that the five select board members can do the interview. I mean, as far as the process to go, I mean, we don't have to have any vote in who's being hired. But as far as being part of the interview, I think we can do that. We can recuse ourselves from voting on. That's what I was going to suggest. We can we can recuse ourselves. We can recuse ourselves from the vote, but participate in the interview. Right. I like that. Yeah, that would make sense. Yep. Yep. I'm good with that. Okay. How much time do we want to schedule for each person? Half hour? Yes. I mean, just so I'm clear, I think we ought to wait. So I might end up voting against this. I haven't decided yet, but that's okay. That's okay. I would think I would think half an hour. Yeah. Peter. Yes. Just to be clear, you talk about half an hour per person. Yes. Yes. Do we want to have any of the road crew there or the new foreman? Yeah. New foreman should definitely be there. I think the new foreman should be there too. So, again, all these issues are tough issues. I think having having Steve and Shane both there increases the probability of a conflict of interest. I agree. Well, Steve isn't going to be a purpose. With all that noise in the background. That's me. Sorry, I'll turn it off. Just can you go someplace where it's a little quieter? Maybe anyway, you can unmute yourself when you need to speak. Thank you. You know, I don't know. I mean, this is all, this is all gray. I just, I just think having both Shane and now Shane wouldn't be voting. You just be participating in the interview. But I don't know. I think it complicates it more. Yeah, I don't see anything wrong. I mean, normally Paul and I do interviews like when we were doing, getting somebody in there, another employee. So it'd be just Paul and I, I mean, we're going to have five select board members and two of the members are going to recuse themselves from, from the voting. They're just going to participate. And I don't see anything wrong with that. We're open. No, I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think we need any more people in there and I'd rather not have my son in there. Yeah, I agree. And I think under Vermont law, the fact that both of you have already declared that there's an appearance or could be the appearance of a conflict means you've met the standard under the law for declaring it. And that's all you need to do. Right. So I think, I think that's the perfect solution to handling this. Yeah. Any other comments? Anybody? Liz, you're good with that. Sarah. I just want to recap. So what you're, what you're going to do is the whole board is going to meet, is this going to be on February 2nd? That's just out of it. Yes. Your regular meeting and an executive session to give a half an hour each to each candidate. Yeah. Steve and you will participate in the interview. Shane will not be there. But however, when it comes to voting, you too will not vote. You and Steve will not vote. Is that right? Yes. That's correct. I just want to get it straight. Although no one's made that motion yet, but that's what we've been discussing. Is that the first order of business? The only order. Well, we'll have a little other business. That's certainly going to be the major order of business. And yes, I would say it should be the first. We don't have, we don't have people waiting for, waiting for interviews. I agree. So Victor, does that work for you? Potential conflict with next Tuesday night. You do. I mean, maybe I can get out of it. It's only a dentist appointment, but it's at five o'clock. I'll get out of it. Well, why can't we do the interview earlier? Or does that not work for everybody? I could work. Victor, what time is your four o'clock or your three thirty? I'll just get out of it and make it at five. Well, while I have it, see if it, Victor, see if it's a big problem getting out of it. It's a big. I don't think it does, Peter. Okay. All right. Okay. Sarah. Yes. While I have you here, should I try calling the other candidate? I can put everything on mute just to make sure that that day. Yes, that would be good. You guys want to have to go. So, if you want my vote, then I got to vote now. Otherwise, I'll, I won't be able to stay because I've got to be out of here in 15 minutes and I'm not done. We'll be done in 15 minutes, Mary. Then I'll be leaving with wet hair. This meeting is going to be over soon. Well, what I'm suggesting is don't call Gary. I want it. Can we, can I call the vote? Well, just, just wait two seconds. Sarah's trying to call him right now. So, Peter. Yes. Is that a conflict? If she's, if she's votes, if Mary votes against it and then she turns around and votes on the, on, she'll be one of the three that vote yay or nay. No. The candidate. She's, she's, she is just voting. The motion, Victor, is going to be that this is how we're going to go forward. So if she votes not to do it and we decide to do it, that doesn't mean she can't participate in the process. I don't think we want to wait until meeting. I just, I agree with Steve. I, I think it's, I think it's time to do it. And I think the likelihood of, of other candidates coming forward is, is not great. So we need to do this and the mantle of the responsibility that I've been carrying for the last three weeks has been bearing heavy on me. It's been increasing my drinking, which is a bad thing. Well, I can't, that's not true, by the way, for anybody who watches the orca thing, but nevertheless, we need to have a, we need to have a road commissioner. I agree. I'm going to make the motion. Just, just hold on one second. We're waiting for, uh, waiting for Sarah. You know, Peter, you can just attribute the extra drinking to the cold weather. It helps keep you warm. There you go. Well, or the situation in Washington has caused some issues for me too. So, and COVID, everyone's drinking more because of COVID. So we all have excuses. Mary, Mary got in. We got, we got Mary in first thing yesterday morning and she's going in on Thursday. So pretty good. Oh, wow. That's fast. What's the scope? So, uh, yes, the other candidate can make it. He may not have zoom, so he's going to come down to the office and I'll set him up at, uh, at that time to use, uh, you know, what are, this computer of worse comes to worse. Okay. Perfect. Okay. So now we're, now we're ready for a motion. You're going to make the motion, Mary. Yeah. You did. We'll make the motion. I'll make the motion. I'll second. Okay. The motion is that we, uh, move to, um, have interviews on February 2nd with the two candidates for the road commissioner. Um, and that Peter and Steve will recuse them. All right. And Peter and Steve will recuse themselves from the vote, but they will attend, uh, the interview process. Yeah. Back up. Okay. Thank you, Phil. Any further discussion? All in favor of the motion. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Mary Skinner, can you hear us? Aye. Okay. Wait, is Mary, is that a, uh, Mary, are you opposed or are you voting for? I'm opposed. Okay. Well, I need you to say opposed, Mary, not aye. Oh, well, I, you said all those are poet, opposed. So I said. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I got it. Okay. We're clear. That's, that's what's important. Okay. You're free to go, Mary. Thank you. Thank you guys. Bye. Bye, Mary. Any other business, anybody? Can I say something, Peter? Sure. You started out the meeting. I just want to, I, you know, I just want to be clear on this. You started out the meeting that I was running against you or somebody was, uh, you know, it's a choice of words, but I don't feel that, uh, the only reason I run is, uh, you people always say that nobody ever runs for office and these were the only ones that were available this year. I was running for a three-year term, not necessarily against Peter Hood. I know you hold it, but non-negative, non-negative campaign, Victor, it's fine. That's well said. That's well said, Victor. I appreciate, I appreciate that. And maybe I didn't, maybe I didn't phrase that exactly correctly. I should have said you were running for the three-year seat as I am running for the three-year seat. But anyway, I think everybody understands what's going on and it's fine. After this mess that we had in Washington, D.C., I don't see any reason to be. So how many, uh, how many debates should we have and when should they be? Hi. Better happen soon. Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm glad you're interested. Uh, so any other business, anybody, Dorinda, you're good? Yep. As long as they, did you send that off, Steve, or? I didn't. I was looking for your email there and I didn't see the, the warrants in there at all. But can you resend that to me? Sure. Thank you. And I'll, and I'll respond to it right away. Peter. Yes. Do you want me to, I tried to set up in a, um, sort of a pre-meeting with Claire from, um, uh, Central Mar Regional Planning Commission and then she couldn't do it, but I'm hoping for February 10th. Do you want to be a part of that meeting? I just want to sort of do the planning for the agenda. I would kind of like to be part of it because I'm going to run the meeting. You're going to run what meeting? Which meeting, which meeting are you talking about? The meeting. I'm talking about the budgeting, uh, the capital spending plan meeting. Do you want to be, I do not need to be part of that meeting. Okay. Unless you want me to be. No, no, no. I just didn't know if you, I know you're coming to the main meeting, but I'm going to do a pre-planning meeting with the Claire. Okay. So just get to this. Okay. Fine. Anything else? Anybody? How's the rest fell? Give us a quick update. Coming along. Better day by day. Okay. No, Lowry can't wait for you to take back this. Um, I know. Hey, he, he doesn't understand what is going on. He came in way too late and it's like, yeah, such a pain for him. Yeah. I've been staying up with it. It was, you know, just so that we had some, you know, representation there and I'm going to take it over, uh, in February and we'll, we'll release him from his contract. Okay. Did you know that Tesla now has, um, satellites that are doing like super high speed? They're apparently available in our area. Is that true? Apparently that's what I just heard. Yeah. I've heard, I've heard months out is what I've, what I've heard. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's an exciting prospect. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. But I think yours is still faster. Phil. See you forever. Yeah. The problem with the satellite as it is like with Q's network is the redundancy and, uh, there are some people in the area who are beta testing it though. So we'll know more shortly. We got something in the mail about it asking us to sign up for it. I was going to ask your car to communicate with it, Liz, and see how it works. Yeah. See what you're talking about. I bet it would. We can turn Liz's car into a hot spot, I bet. Yeah. We can also sign on to Liz. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you very much. I'm sorry. We, I'm sorry we had to have this little extra meeting, but I just want to be sure that whatever decision we make, we make it a real meeting. We do it all together. We talk about it. And yeah, I thought it was important to do this. So thank you all for being here and we'll see you on Tuesday. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.