 I'd say let's go ahead with some introductions. I'll go first. I'm Marie Norton. I'm Fedora's Community Action and Impact Coordinator. I've been contributing to Fedora since 2014, and I've been in this role for a little bit under a year. So, Vipul, you wanna go next? Yeah, sure. So I'm Vipul, and I work in CPE, which is Community Platform Engineering at Red Hat. Job-wise, my primary responsibility is to take care of CI, CI infrastructure, a little bit of Fedora, CI. I also am involved in containers, so I guess like releasing containers, images on Docker Hub kind of thing. But I'm in MindShare for summer coding sake, which means I try to look after and interact with coordinator students for all the minted project activities, making sure that they go right. And I recently joined MindShare, I guess, a month ago. Time has no concept, we all know. So don't count me on that. Yeah, that's what I have been trying to do. Maria, go ahead. Okay, so, I'm Fatica. Nobody calls me actually. Maria, but official name of the passport case, Maria. Currently, we are starting into MindShare to give some of my expertise on all of this mess for the past a lot of years, and let's not say how many. Usually, taking care of a lot of the sign in Latin America and marketing and websites and documentation and just naming I was there, except coding because I'm lazy. I just don't understand it. But I think that there is a lot of cool things to re-adapt and I hope to be a good asset for the team on it. And that's it. I need a beer. Come over, Alberto. Okay. My name is Alberto. I am a computer engineer. Actually, I work and I contribute in Fedora for MindShare Come Ups, Fedora Join, Fedora Marketing, a little more groups, I don't know how much. I am happy to be here with you. How do you go to the West? Okay. My name is Edward Lucena. I'm a representative from marketing for way too long. Don't judge me. I love being in MindShare, but I'm here from the beginning of the MindShare committee because marketing is having some issues. We're working on it in this next. Also, I'm the host of the Fedora Postcats. I'm a contributor from Southeast Seats, being more or less, I don't know, I think I was my mentor, so. Also, I'm producing with some folks, the right to be a spin. So that's me. Cool. Nice intro, everybody. I'm just trying to get a little conversation going here in the chat. Oh yeah, if you want to jump onto the moderation or the screen with us, you can do that as well. Also, Justin posted, I don't know how this is called, Discord? No, no, it's not Discord. The discourse about posting, how is your Nest? This is very fun. I put my word because I was found that I have my TV as complimentary screen. Oh, the rig. Can we talk about the rig? Yeah, we should share our best setups, like how we are enjoying Nest. Would be pretty nice to see. Let's see. Where is that link, Edward? You should drop it in the chat. Oh, you did it. Yeah, it's already in the chat. Oh my gosh, this person on a bike. That's great. Mine is not this fancy. I'm sitting at my kitchen table. Might not look like it, but I am. Oh, there's a new one. Hey, Langton. Hey, let go. How are you? So I guess we could talk about some of the stuff we've been up to. Sleepy. Are you jet lagged? Jason, what's up, Jason? Something that I can say, that this is probably the funniest month here, ever. Everybody's talking and I didn't hear it. I actually don't. Messing. Langton, yeah, I'm not jet lagged. I'm also sleepy. That's real. It's been like two and four hour sleeping segments this week. Oh yeah. You know how it is. It's okay, Peter. We missed you though. All right. So let's start talking about some of the stuff we've worked on since we're not getting questions. It's working. We could have our mind-share meeting. Wednesday. Nick, what's up? Can you hear me? Yes, yes. Okay. My sound was off at first. So you could probably hear me, but I couldn't hear you. Well, welcome. Welcome. Please introduce you. Introduce me. My name's Nick. I'm in B on IRC and like everything. Of course I'm on mind-share and I help with packaging and infrastructure and stuff. And ambassadors sometimes and stuff. You talk a little bit about what mind-share does. So mind-share has reps from all different parts of the mind-share side of Fedora. So marketing, we have intern, we have design and commerce. We have some ambassador seats. So the idea is to bring all these people together to kind of have a holistic picture of what we can kind of do and what the status is of the different teams and kind of put our heads together and be able to bring the resources together to do more together. So something we would usually be doing a lot of is looking at proposal for attendance to events. So we sponsor people to go to events normally pre-COVID worlds. You know, if you wanted to go to a conference and talk about your work with Fedora, we would sponsor you to go do that and help you out with the lodging and all that stuff. That's pretty much for anyone who wants to do that. We also help folks organize local events. So whether it be a release party or a FAD or whatever kind of small event you wanna do locally, we give you support for that as well as send out swag. So what we kind of ask in return for those things is a blog post to kind of share your experience with the community and to try to improve Fedora overall. So that's some of the work we do. It's been a lot less in the last couple of months because not really traveling or going very far from home these days. That was a good chunk of what we did, but we've actually had a chance to focus on other topics like the ambassador, Rudy Vann program. We spent plenty of time talking about ambassadors in the mind chair, committee meetings and that actually went somewhere this time. So pretty excited about that. I'm just kind of talking if someone else wants to pick up what else, what other kinds of stuff do we do? We have so diverse people, everyone does a lot of things but then there are seats what they're focused on. I could talk about CI but that's not why I'm in mind chair. So I'm not going to talk about that. Yes, Sumantra as mentioned, we help a lot with minted projects. Sumantra and Maria do a lot of things around there. Somehow I ended up here. I don't know how. There's GSOG, there is Outreach. We also had GCI which Google stopped doing it from this year. And one of the focus that well I want to work on I'm not saying how much I have been working on because it's been hard recently but our focus should be how much of the impact those projects. How much do we need those projects? How much does community want it instead of just having projects? I know it can be controversial to say but I'm not exactly 100% sure that all our projects are very much. Okay, as I said, controversial, right? 100% of the things are 100% utilized but I guess it's never is. So but increasing the optimization of the projects that we have and how much we can utilize, use it for the best. Contributive sustainability is one of the things that we have been trying to work with. It's not just minted project interns but more of it. As you said, Ambest is the people who do a lot of outreach a lot of work for Fedora who are a pillar of Fedora. So how do we give them happy, sustained? That's also, I see a responsibility of mindset. So things that Fedor does not do, which is other than engineering thing, at some point, somewhere I see that it should be done by mindset, which is community. How do we make community happy and how do we make sure that they are respected here, they are wanted and they feel good and then they are sustained as in sustained contribution. They feel as a family and not just workers that we have often discussed on different tickets. And there's lines of communication. Lines of communication is a really important part of it. And we do try to improve that like communication and how we do the different processes so that things don't fall through the cracks as well. Well, when my shirt starts like, I don't know, it's been too long, I think it's two years ago, probably Nick, probably more like two or three years ago. The main idea was that the non-technical part of Fedora were totally disconnected. So marketing, ambassadors, design, pharma, fan school at the time that this part, everything is part of ambassadors. They were like Iceland's. So now the idea as mentioned was to try to have a communication board that serves to be a bridge between the teams and between the technical parts of the team. Because a huge problem that was in first times was that we have people that's supposed to be marketing and supposed to be ambassadors, supposed to be the face of Fedora, but they don't know what is happening in the technical part. So how can you promote an operative system if you don't know what is inside? So that was the first ideas that came with my short team. So it seems like a pretty good overview of the different things that we do. We also look at like some policy type things that have to do with the mind share side of Fedora. So looking at like change proposals, like how do we deal with that for community related things? There's no formal process there. Helping or trying to kind of formulate how we're gonna go from in-person events to online or virtual events, we'll probably be the ones to kind of work up a process for hop in. So yeah, that's a good summary of all the stuff we work on, right? Is it enough? Yeah, I just want to say because he's not here and he does a lot of work on documentation. So I guess that's also one of our main focus that they are indexed, they are easy to reach, they are up to date and those things, we have yet to come up with strategy or at least from what I see and from what I understand, we have yet to see a strategy that encompasses all of these things. But it's definitely one of the things that mind share would want to look at. Since there are no questions, I have one question for Edward and Nick and probably Alberto who have been on mind share for a longer time. Have you seen any change or involvement in what mind share was made to do? And now what it is trying to do? Do you see any involvement in their evolution of our goal vision? Sure, sure. When we started, we have, well, there is a no problem with Ambassador for a long, long time. And I think that the current proposal is long-term work. We are working in this like for the beginning of the mind share committee and people was expecting that we work on that, but it's a so hard topic that it takes too much time. But now we have solid proposals. So for me, that's evolution. That's the world being reflected in actions, not only in meetings, not only in words, not only in emails or meetings or IRC channels. It's work that is being done. And hopefully we have tons of people who wanted to collaborate in this proposal. We have, I think, two excellent people that will be driving the initiative that Erzumantro and Mariana. And hopefully we are going to be, this world is going to be more visible to the people now that we have action meetings. It's going beyond the lot of meetings or words that have been written about it. I still have also my problem with marketing. That is nobody else in my team, but... Alberto wants to be part of your team. Yeah, but Alberto, leave my team for commots. I agree. And you know what, what would be really kind of interesting to do as we do this, the ambassador of revamp is to just like really like document how we do those changes well. Because if it, I mean, eventually it will be success, right? So there's always going to be some failures and just kind of documenting how that goes and sharing that process. Because I think that something like a program dying out, it's somewhat natural if it doesn't evolve, right? So how do you revive those kinds of programs? I mean, when we think about something like marketing, I do think like, I've heard these stories about like the good old days and it has to come, I feel like to tell me more, but like didn't the design team used to be up in the IRC channels, like every day chatting and working on stuff all the time? You know? Everything went into a more complicated set and they decided to have several channels for the same thing and several boards for the same thing and several groups for the same thing. So it is true that if you divide, you can conquer, but that doesn't apply to everything. And I think that it was a mistake to... What was that? It was a mistake to... Dudes are... That is so, thank you. So I think that instead of trying to avoid... So instead of just trying to keep dividing, we should probably just try to take a look of everything that we have currently and see which one of those we can either merge or make it work together in a better way, more smoothly. It is the same thing that we said. The idea is to work as a bridge. Sometimes we will have to merge, sometimes we will have to separate, as they are going to argue, but the idea is that as a mind share, try to focalize why there is people willing to help, that is to divide so many places. Nice. So there's this... My cat, she's not around right now. I would totally bring her on screen. So there's this idea that if you're working on, if a team is working on like 20 things or one thing, they're gonna deliver 20 times as quickly or 20 times as slowly as if they're working on one thing. So I think we're all like a group of people with ideas, right? And part of what how Fedora works is if you have an idea, you do it. But when it comes to community stuff, it involves other people. You can't just make decisions unilaterally and you're trying to get people on board with these plans, right? And you're just having these conversations and they're just going on and on in the ticket and then it kind of just dies off and nothing happens, right? So I think a nice evolution of Mindshare would be maybe less of that and more like, we're just gonna focus on this one thing and make it happen. And that's what I've been trying to do a bit with the team and even trying to say like, okay, these people are working on this, like let's not distract them and take them off with that and assign them more work. So thinking about using your resources well to accomplish one awesome thing together, create that sustainably and move on to the next. So I think we do have a tendency to like go all over the place with our ideas because we have a ton of them, I have a ton of them. Yeah, I didn't know the feeling because when I'm working with the I3 is being now but I didn't want to start the work now because I was trying to focus myself in the podcast. But there was a lot of people that say, hey, you have the idea, but put it out there. So say, okay, I'm going to put out there but I'm not working on them. You're going to do the work, I will be happy to create the structure. And happily, Nasir that is in the chat right now, Esteba, with the spin creation. We have a default, Dan, I don't know how to pronounce that last name, but... Can I follow us if I'm not wrong? And then we have seven gentlemen as well. Yeah. Let's just go with Dan. Dan, he works on the packaging of the I3 package and my work will be just like gathers the people together but I wasn't able to work more further than that because I was focusing myself in the podcast. Hey, I hear you, there are so many things that I thought to try or I had in mind but then again like work is there plus you have some other thing, one of the small things, how do you Fedora, the magazine post and I was very interested in restarting it. I took up the job, I started setting some threads, I got great response, we had answers, but lack of time. And also when you are doing it when very tired the sentences and the documentation don't come as you would want them to, but then thankfully we had Fedora Join just like we got Naseef from Fedora Join for I3 and other bunch of different places. Two people from Fedora Join came forward and they're helping me and they're doing amazing job. To a point where I said, you know what? I'm just going to introduce you to these people who I think are great candidates. Of course you can have your own and you should be the editor of this. I don't even need access to those parts because you are doing most of the job. So it's also, you know, these initiatives they may not end up, but if you try to share it with people like everybody you did and then I did with how do you Fedora? This is done pretty well. I'm very excited about those things. So taking initiatives. Part of I think another part of the evolution of what we're doing here as a mind share committee and how we take care of our teams and stuff like that is looking into those like, hey, what is your capacity actually? And how much can you do? Checking in with people to make sure your fellow contributor, I'm doing check-ins with the co-leads and I made them really aware. Like you're forgetting to feel like it's too much. Let's handle this. Let's handle this early. And I've been having the same kind of conversations with the DNI team too because as contributors, especially in these parts of the Fedora community, burnout can happen kind of quickly because you have one two-person teams, right? So we got to be careful with ourselves and the rest of our things we want to do in life. Vipple, I don't want to hear stories about how you can't write docs because you're so exhausted. True. But it's the, it's not going so right. We got to figure out like, we want you to be enjoying that time that you're spending and working at Fedora. Unless you really like being like strung out with work. Being miserable? Yeah, that's one of my hobby. And I keep getting back to it for some reason. A lot of us are workaholics here. I think that the magazine does, that I think it can be really productive for all the teams, not only for mindset, but for all the teams. And they have a template, but we can create it, maybe in a pager instance, I don't know that you call Fedora ideas. What idea do you have that people can say, okay, I don't have any idea, but I have time to spare. So let me see what people have on their minds. That's totally okay. I think we can gather loves of people, thinking about what can be done or what can we be include or what can be an extra, not necessarily inside the OS, but inside the community. That's stuff that we can do. For example, I think at some point I say, hey, we can gather some kind of Fedora stories. And like one month after, I don't remember how is the name of that guy, started a series called, How do you Fedora on the magazine? And it was suddenly like that. I say, hey, we can gather people, not necessarily developers inside the community, but normally users, how do you Fedora? How do you use Fedora in your daily life? And I think it was a very big series of articles in the magazine. So we can put ideas in kind of a board where people can just grab an idea and try to work on it. Maybe, I don't know, it's something that came to my mind sometimes. So Ashlyn asks about mentorship. Do you mean the mentor project part? So Ashlyn, so Fedora participates in a couple programs. So I'll talk about one first and then the book and takeover. So I coordinate for outreach and I can actually just drop a link in there. So Fedora usually does a couple outreach interns in a summer. And this is a program specifically here towards women, black and African-American, Hispanic, Native American, people who are facing discrimination for gender, et cetera, in their home country. So we usually have three or four slots this summer and they're on different topics, mostly technical, but occasionally we will do something different. Like this summer we had a design internship. And those run 12 weeks, it's paid. And it's a pretty cool program. It's how I got involved with Fedora. Sumatra, you can ask to join. So do you wanna talk about Google Summer Code a little bit? Sure, so Google Summer Code is a program by Google where it pays organizations to encourage students to participate in open source and do a live project for three months. It's very much like internship with the organization which Google takes care of the finance inside of things or the portals on or how you interact. Organizations come up with, let me add Sumantro. So there we go. I approve. Organizations and different community members come up with projects. And usually GSOC or GADMINS as we call Sumantro is an org admin, I'm org admin. Bex was doing a lot of great things earlier. Or GADMINS except, I accepted here, but I guess. I thought I accepted him. I don't know why. I think multiple people accepted him. I think multiple people accepted him. Too much confidence. That's how we welcome you Sumantro, you should know. So we go through the projects and we see if it fits the project as in Fedora project and if it fits what GSOC is trying to do. Unlike outreach, so that's where the difference is outreach is focused towards diverse thing to provide a bunch of things for project not just code. Google Summer of Code, as we know, it's very much focused on code where you work on a project and you try to contribute in the coding manner as much as possible. So we see if it fits the organization's missions and goals and then we see if they are eligible for GSOC and then we take them, we apply them and then Google sees, Google also has a bunch of policies to identify how these projects if they are suitable or not. And once we have them we accept students out of multiples and hundreds and hundreds of proposals for sometimes one project depending on how easy, how if there's a website related project it would be very famous because there are a lot of students getting into those things. So depending on what the project is they get a bunch of proposals and mentors select which student they feel is the most suitable to finish the project in time. And then once they do there are three evaluation periods, first, second and third is the final one and they get paid from Google and Fedora gets to encourage some very great talent from universities to participate and work on open source without thinking of things like, okay, I have yet another problem I would like to do internship and different things and definitely big organization names and Google's name count a lot. So GSOC has a lot of things going about it and there are some great things in outreach which is expanding the horizon and not just focused on code because we all know it's not just code which makes a project successful. So these two are great things. Yeah. I have one more thing to add on. So we have these formal programs that we are a part of but there's informal mentorship going all over the project. You know, like you join a channel you ask a question here or there can slowly build a relationship with some people and a session like or an event like this you can connect with someone a bit more and potentially they can help you kind of navigate some problems. It would be cool to have some kind of like body system for Fedora where you can just ask, you know, like you just, when you're new to a place and you're like, I know this is probably a dumb question but I need to ask. But you know, and you have that and that's what was always, that was great about having a mentor myself when I first started. You can just go to that person and be like, I don't understand. I've never looked at this before. So now that GCI, actually we're looking at Google as a potential but we actually applied to that and not work out for the last round. Yeah. And I would just like to extend this invitation if you think of a program that's great and that's also offers a bit of outside of just coding abilities. Do reach out to us. I would like to know more about the different programs that we can participate in. It's definitely one of the things that I'd be interested to look at. So Niharika, shoot if you have something in mind. I have a question that from the last, I mean the last vlog I go as was the resident one. Was the only one that happened. But I met the interns that we have been, I don't remember it was a Rishi. I think it was a Rishi that we're happy working in the happen at packets version for Fedora Appreciation Week. But I, my question is they were something inside our project that were the Fedora community. But we have kind of retention policy for these guys that apply or they just have. I mean, it's not super okay that we work, we help them to make their, their study, their internship to this college. But our, the thing that we have from them is just the product they develop, maybe dogs or maybe an application. There is no other application after that. Or there is a way that we can raise them or try to help them to incorporate in older teams to help. Yes, so as I said, that's one of the things that I have discussed greatly some of the frustration about one of the thing that I have noticed is often the infra side of team, Nick and Nick would understand. Infra team is not informed of what GSOC or Outreach Mentors are working on. Thankfully, we don't have those problems now. And then at the last moment, they go to infrastructure and say that, hey, we need this thing hosted. And then for like, well, you didn't, you never informed us. We need to fix those parts. We need to make sure that communication is proper. And as I said, you know, who wants this project and how much value does it add? It's not just about having a project. And that's one of the things. Sorry. No, please Nick, go ahead. It'll be nice whenever a communion shift gets set back up. Well, we all know communion shift has VA chances of coming back, right? GDPR, I won't have my hopes very high on that, but let's see how that goes. Yeah, cause I think, I didn't realize there was GDPR implications. I thought it was that they were waiting on someone to set up the RDU data center. That's there, but I'm just telling you, there's other part as well. And if you attended CPE, the quiz, pub quiz thing that we set up, in that one of the thing was, the original idea of communion shift was that we give you a place where you can do stuff with your project and you get to experience and experiment and try to play around with different federal projects. And that can be in future integrated in these things. So communion shifts, goal has been narrowed down. There is obviously communion shift and I think it will come back soon. But yeah. And what we've also been doing is creating some AWS instances. Yes. If someone wants to host something, a lot of times the answer ends up being, okay, we're not maintaining it, but we'll give you a server to go have fun with. Yeah, and that's again, sustainability part comes in picture. You can just develop this project, but you also need to take care of it as it's your project and then form a community around it. It's not just about coding and, because we all know one person, one point failure is never good in any scenario. So it should not just be maintained at the student, but they should also like are summer projects or minted projects, I should say, should focus more on getting more people involved there rather than just minty working on it. There are definitely things that I have in mind and I get great feedbacks on how we can do things better, but it would be interesting to see how we do it. And well, there's a, mindset seat has just started for minted projects. Let's see. Yeah, that's fine. How do we get in touch with join team? So join the team is all of, yes. You can join on Fedora-join on IRC or ad join Fedora on Fedora, I mean on Telegram. I have a doubt, more like a fire started as usual. But in the past years, I mean, in the recent years, a huge difference that I have seen from what these were done on my time. I see that there is a lot of interest on the external official projects for interns. Why are you laughing? You're thinking of something that we discussed before, but. But what about the Fedora? No, I mean, it's paraphrasing myself, but it seems that, you know, if I were in my old house, I wouldn't have all this sort of customs and capitalism. Anyway, so. Just shoot it. Shoot it, Tatika, we need to know what you're feeling. It's hard, I'm afraid, with this. Okay, so there is this real concern first. When they finish their projects, either it's the alchemy, it's Google Summer Pro, what happens there? So if we still click hand into those external projects, instead of trying to either make our own or try to facilitate a more easy interaction from you just doing a project into your, joining the project, then, you know, these people that come seem to help for a couple of months, half a year, one a year, then they're going to disappear. And then we're going to end with the same issue that we're not having recurring and long-term contributors. Seriously, guys, you're not helping. So I have ideas. Sorry, this is good. I see them, I'm ignoring it. I have ideas, though. Listen, Eduardo always brings the party, we knew that. That's what he does for the social hour. But my idea, my real, my thought about this is that it comes from the mentors, right? So it's about the mentors getting maybe more education and resources on how to be a good mentor and to get in the mindset of that. Like, from my experience with MISMO to my experience now having an intern, I'm like looking at that, you know, the intern that I'm working with right now is like, you know, this is like the beginning of like a fedora friendship, right? Like it's not just I'm schooling a newbie or whatever. Like this is someone that I care about their development. I care about their fulfillment and participation in this project. So there's definitely teachable skills that mentors can get and improve upon to make that more long-term. Like, if I think about my relationship with MISMO, she was always there encouraging me to stay involved, to participate, reminding me of events like you should submit for flock or whatever it might be or, hey, I'm not even gonna try a recommendation letter to become the F-cake. Like, this is how far my mentor has stayed with me because at this point, she's my friend, right? So I really think like mentorship, if it's in its full capacity, I mean, that's what it looks like for me. It might be different for somebody else and I totally understand that. But there's definitely a mindset going into it and there's specific ways that you can encourage your mentees. And I honestly think it was like example, being like a woman, having a woman mentor was like great for me, you know? I needed to have someone that I could talk to about the fact that there's like no women here. Just the different weird situations you get into socially, like standing in a conversation of like 12, 15 people and you're literally the only woman. It's like, somebody to just talk to about like that situation, right? Or somebody to kind of give you encouragement to stand up in front of a room full of dudes, whatever it might be. So that's kind of how I feel about mentorship and what we could do better in keeping the mentees retained and involved in communities, engaging them as friends. What if we do like a summer camp for mentors? Nice. All right, open a ticket. That's okay. You're on a tour. I'm human, something like human. I mean, because if the issue is that mentors only, they only stay with the project when this happened and then what happens after? I had the same experience with Mismo. I mean, she was, I had even questions about my daily work that had nothing to do with the door and she was there. So, she got it, got it, got it, got it, right. So, yeah, maybe if we meet people that we are here because we are in a community, that's what I wanted to say at the beginning. It's not just having a project that you have to fulfill like a task, because sometimes it feels that Google Summer of Code and all that feels like a task. You're doing a job as you have a deadline and all that. So, it's trying to retrieve all the time so you don't feel that you're doing the job. You're doing it because you just like. Now, the other part that comes with it is what happens when you actually like it and it's the really high burnout rate that we have. What happens on the long-term was that you know that you like it but you feel that it's getting into a war inside again. So, it's actually trying to get a balance between the newcomers who doesn't feel that it's fun because it's just responsibility because they are on deadlines and they're news and there's a lot of knowledge and there's a lot of people. But there is the other side of that table. So, there is these people who are already being for several years, they know that they are good at it. They have grown not just personally but also professionally and they just got tired because there is no help. So, if the mentors are the ones in the middle then it's not about getting new people, it's not about retaining old people. It's about having those mentors to focus on a good mindset. Well, you know, all of that. Yep. And I think looking at it as a friendship or like a relationship you're having with the mentee mentor, like it changes it, regrams it a little bit from work to something a little bit closer to your heart maybe. Not to get too sappy. And definitely that helps a lot when you have a previous relationship with your mentor, like it was my case with Tateka when I entered the project. I don't know, we have met like seven years before I started the Fedora Project, something like that. I even took your wedding pictures, so yeah. I don't know, it's way too much time to count. And I asked Tateka for a lot of stuff and not necessarily inside the Fedora Project. We are friends forever for personal reasons. I met his husband, she met my wife. Also, I'm pretty sure that Tateka doesn't meet my son in person, but a lot of pictures. Tateka was the photographer of my wedding. What's my first wedding ever? So that's a long time, long time. Long time, yeah. So that helps a lot when you're being a mentee because you have respect for the person that is mentoring you. So you know what they are talking to you in the best interest of you, okay? So that helps a lot in that trust that you can have with the mentor. It needs to be built to be a great mentor. Cool. Well, we made it to the end of the session.