 What do you do for work? I'm a product owner. So you own a product? No. Then why are you called a product owner? If it wasn't for me, the backlogs would be all messed up and the stakeholders at the sprint review would be like, ah, and scrum would pretty much be obsolete. I don't know any of the words that you just said. Just think of like a big bag or like a medium sized bag. Put the scrum inside it, mix it around, add in a peppering of product value maximization. You get this, you get a product owner. But you never said what is a product, like what is the product you're selling? Different materials. Oh my God.