 I'm sorry. Nice haircut. Your hair is shorter. It depends on the day. If I need help when it comes to public comments, I'm going to make you co-host. Right now in post. So this is whatever day it is. It is June 7th. And it is the meeting of the subcommittee of the school building committee on building focused on buildings. And I am serving as chair by popular request. And I will call the mailing to order where first I'm just going to make sure that the members of the subcommittee who are here and I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I've told Angela, all of these are going to be posted as joint. So we're not at seven yet. So I'm not going to even worry about full committee right now. But everyone is welcome to these subcommittees. So I'm just going to make sure everyone can hear and be heard. Rupert. Hi, I can. Phoebe. Hello. Welcome, Sean. Yeah. And Jonathan. Hello. Hi. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here chatting with the others before. So I know that works. So I'm turning it over to Tim. Rick. Donna, whoever I'm turning it over to where. If Margaret wants to show the agenda, but it's, it's on three topics today, Margaret. Just want to show it quickly. I did allow shared three. So. Okay. You know, Kathy, I don't have it ready to call up. So. So Tim, just repeat the three things we're going to be looking at today. I can read. I can, you can just, as we go through it, you can tell us what topic we're on. That's great. And I'm not entirely sure. Yeah. Not entirely sure that we're going to talk completely about the. Topics that we published on the agenda. We're going to talk about a follow-up to what we talked about last week, and then we're going to talk about some elevation studies. Yeah, so I'm going to share my screen. We are not talking about the site plan, but I just have it first. As context for the meeting. We have made a lot of progress on the site and that has. Monopolized our time. So I don't know that we've made as much progress on the building as we would have liked to, but the site and all of that is certainly welcome and, and well needed. So I just want to recap some of the meetings that we've had in the building that affect the building. We've talked to the SC staff and there are some minor changes, but they won't affect the elevations at all. Just some planning work. And we have spent a good amount of time. Coordinating the location size of mechanical and electrical rooms, which will affect the stairs a little bit. And we thought it might push the exterior wall around a little bit. So that's just a long way of introduction to saying that we've been working inside the building quite a bit. When we get to the outside. We can talk about what we've done. So recapping from the last time we met, we were looking at the service area and the building canopies. It was. Decided that option city of the options that were presented. Whereas. The most liked that. So we're going to move in that direction. But. Facing south and also. Technical considerations made us decide that the. Skylight that we showed in the canopy at the south side of the building wasn't completely necessary. So we've eliminated that. And then we're also looking at the service area. We showed a solid wall. And the. We are. Potentially making that a fence. So it's a little more transparent, less heavy feeling. Which also with durability concerns about next year. Non-enclosed wall. You know, what exact form this takes, whether it's this transparent or not is still. The subject of. Study. But this is the view with that configuration that you would get And then they just speaking to Rupert last time. An operable gate at the service area. Most likely would not be opened or closed ever in the normal course of business and would be an impediment to snow removal and other things so what we are looking at is enclosing the service area with wall or fence. But creating an aperture that is narrow as possible, but still wide enough to get to the dumpsters service the transformer bring deliveries to the door and pull it as close to the drop off loop as possible so you're looking at the service area through an aperture rather than through a wide open space so the exact width of this opening is yet to be determined we have to talk to a lot of traffic engineer about the turning movement for all the vehicles that are going to be in there and just, you know, meeting space for normal operations but this is the direction we're moving in for the service area. Sean. I forget our Rupert, do you need like large 18 wheel vehicles to be able to back into that area, or all the trucks that deliver usually smaller than that. Typically, am I muted, can you hear me. Yeah. Typically, the 18 wheelers would come to the loading dock at the middle school, and we would unpack there. But we would have large box trucks doing like WB Mason and food service deliveries, going to that entrance there. So they are pretty big trucks, but they're not practical. Okay, so that. So just making sure that that the length of that space is long enough to allow one of those vehicles to back in there right. And just going to the plan. And this has been adjusted ever so slightly but a, not a 53 foot trailer but a large back box truck could back up to the service area with that opening and not block the bus. Okay, that is a concern, but we are not planning to accommodate a, you know, an articulated 53 foot tractor trailer rolling up and and if that is the case. We've been operating under the assumption that those are going to the middle school but if that is the case, we would have to adjust. Thank you. That brings us to the south side of the building and one of the main things we wanted to talk today about was the gym. You can see here on the south elevation that Jim is sort of taking cues from some of the canopies that we have around the building with a a folding plane if you will or folding line that marks the volume of the gym turns down to the gym on the north side. Here it is close to you. What this shows is, you know, a fairly complete masonry wall clear story glass on the south side that plane that folds down the side of the building is accentuated. This shows single skin panel that least expensive of the metal options that we were made it gives us an opportunity for color. But this is just a way to sort of cleanly articulate the volume of the entire gym as sort of a foil for the overall elevation with the colorful windows of the classrooms. We don't want to express the gym as a solid volume yet, you know, give it some interest and possibly on the south or maybe the west side. This is a way here. An opportunity for some sort of signage or art. What this shows and it's just for conversation. Angling the glass at the corner of the gym, similar to what we have at the front of the building and the canopy, and the roof edge actually is not truly a parallel to the wall below. The shadow line is a little bit angled, just some subtle moves to give it some interest and to recall the what we're doing at the front door without trying to compete with it. You know, we're not married to any of these ideas we just want to put them out there for consideration. And then this is for reference very close to what we've been showing all along. There was a slight reduction in total blazing area here to get to the 22% and some feedback from the modeling. But you know, even if the design idea is that the gym should be a solid box, we know this might be a big two. Not enough, not enough interest. Kathy. I think you, you're, you started to answer my question. This picture shows a window with bringing light in from the west. And the other one where you ball with a little bit of an overhang had no window on that wall at all, and you have no window on the east wall either. I think my question on the glazing is the amount of light that the gym will have with the lights turned off. And you know I'm seeing that you've got this extra window under the top room window you've got a second window that kind of wraps around a little bit to the west so it's a question of light coming into the building. Does this overhead. And then my second question does that overhang. That cost doesn't have a use value to it like it's cutting out glare some way. So it's very attractive so I'm just I'll wait for Jonathan to weigh in on the architect side but I was just looking at getting light into the gym. Somewhere on talking so it's okay. Those are my questions. Should I respond to your questions or hear the other. Let me just respond. So there are two configurations of window shown in the options. We feel that they both, and we can verify we'll get ample light. What this shows is mostly to the south so it's a little bit better controlled and other gyms where we do have lights to east and west there can be glare issues and not to say that they can't see mitigated, you know, these two studies were mostly to get the overall feel this option could support windows on the east and west. So the roof overhang. It is for bring it's not deep enough to shade the windows other than a very small narrow band of the day for, you know, a short period of the day from the solar maximum to it will shade but to have an overhang that would completely shade that window for all light instances to be very deep so it's it's more of a design feature and it might not have to be as deep as shown in this image to accomplish that. Okay. So that that is so it's just what that does that either does it add costs does it have the attraction of more solo panels because they can come out further to the edge does. Design wise, I think it looks nice so I'm just asking whether they're, I should go to a use value value added. Yeah, beyond design. It does not, or we do not plan on making it large enough to add enough roof area to add a significant amount of PV will it add costs for the return of the socket panels that we are currently imagining at the underside there where you have the patina color. It will add some cost. Absolutely. And I can't put a dollar figure on it right now but it is within the range of some of the other small moves we've made. I'm finished with my questions but can you just look to the other picture that had the the window on the. Yeah, so that's what I was seeing that there's that extra window, and it doesn't have the overhang so those are. Those are the, those are the, those are equivalent in some way to your 22% blazing or this one provides too much. No, they're they are both designed with a total blazing area to get us to the 22%. I'm finished with my questions. I'm going to respond to that or while not necessarily doing it for the intention of increasing more solar. You're supposed to have a buffer around the edge of your panels and by pushing your roof edge out. You know, it's a possibility that you could get another row either north south or east west. And to mention there is an increased cost the increased cost is really the roof membrane, the insulation and the roof deck, and then the finished panel on the other side, it can be accomplished. Pretty easily as long as you're not trying to send it out several yards. So there's a modicum of additional cost. Okay. I believe you were next. You've already answered all my questions. Thank you. Jonathan. And you have a view of proposed change a little bit further back so that we can see it in context with the entry from, you know, kind of, you know, got you down the drive there you may not have one in your slide deck but you want to move to the left so you can see it in context with the front door. Yeah. I mean I generally like what you're proposing, but a couple times you'd referenced how you're kind of trying to visually time there you go that that gives us a sense of it. You know, to me that that that makes sense visually I think it's nice to kind of pick up the gym which is one of our larger volumes some of what's happening and some other spots here at the front of the building. I agree with Rick I think yes there will be a little additional cost but it's it's not significant. And, you know, I really think we need to have this building look as nice as we can from from the front. And if you know down the line we have to pair something back a little bit well, we'll cross that bridge but I don't see this as a as a major budget concern to me. And. Once you answer but then then we'll get to Phoebe I see your hand Phoebe. Go ahead. I, I, what I have to say isn't really anything of significant substance but I do feel like it adds a completeness to the look. I think it looks more similar to the rest of sort of what will be. I think the front of the building I think there's a, it just, it feels a little bit more complete than the than without the overhang so, in terms of without budget and what it would cost those kinds of things but you know, I'm sure we'll get there and I trust the people who know more than I do when they say it shouldn't add much so. Thank you. So, just to summarize our point of view, you know we are still looking at how we accomplish this and what the details are and where the materials start and stop and how deep the returns are, but I think we are hearing that this approach is better and more complete than what we've been showing, which is what we wanted to move around to be some other questions that we have. One thing I just wanted because you weren't at the last one with that canopy overhang on the side entrance. There's a white it's being shown with a white surface on top. And what they said is they can cover, you can say what you're covering with a won't look dirty over time and be it won't glare into the windows. So there's something that Tim mentioned that won't be that sheer whiteness of that. So on on roofs like this we put ballast which I wish it was more complicated but it's not it's just small rocks that are river warrants so and that is one hides the dirt and two windows as shown here above a white membrane roof. The glare can be unbelievable. So it's something that we certainly keep in our mind. It would be too much light. All the light that we talked about getting to the rooms that would be too. Here is a thought that we also are putting out there for consideration. We've, you know, had the entrance canopy a bright orange for the most of the time color. And we've been looking at it for, you know, since midway through SD for a long time. We've just been kicking around that it sort of frames the lobby, but the lobby, you know, goes into the building and it's defined by this roof plane. So just a question of whether the language of the canopy should incorporate the clear story window and the roof edge for the administration itself. I will say that this is an interesting idea to us I don't know that it is as clear or makes as much sense as the gym change we just wanted to put it in front of you for sort of a visceral reaction. I also will mention that, you know, what this drawing does is similar to the canopy itself that brings the wall down to the ground so it just sort of amplifies the move that we do at the front door to you know, we don't think what we did at the canopy was subtle but we just were considering amplifying it a bit and then this is all the same material that was already there for the most part, it would just be a different color and then there would be a slightly different detail at the end of the wall here, but it's just going to be really helpful to see what it looked like before compared to this next to each other or on top of each other. You're going to have to start labeling the I'm going to have to start labeling sorry about that. I didn't have the work it didn't have that orange line up and then that continuous line down. It's entirely possible that we've pushed this idea a little bit too far but we, we, and then there are a lot of ideas that we don't even show because we realize that they're not good but we just want to, you know, put the ones that we think have any merit at all. In front of you so that you have the opportunity to decide. I would never suggest that you come to me for aesthetic opinions. However, my aesthetic opinion is I like the added color I think it might. I'll let Jonathan Jonathan you go first. I, excuse me. I also like the additional color I, I think it's worth asking if you, if you studied making that change to the roof edge profile color on some of these other planes here at the front of the building. I do think it adds a little bit of brightness a little bit of pop. And just just curious if you'd look at other options or, or not. We looked at related options for the music room and that side of the building slightly different than taking the roof edge and turning it down sort of doing the similar move of color traveling across the time we'll get to that but related but not quite the same. I don't know that you necessarily need to take it. I like I wouldn't take the kind of the roof edge form down more than twice. But I do like the way the color also kind of makes the roof planes pop. And so I'm just curious what it would look like if, if you did what you were suggesting but also the, the maybe the roof edge of the other kind of major forms was a color. Maybe I wouldn't like it, it just, it gets the mind thinking. No, it does and as we look at these drawings that's what we're thinking of when we have. So, these are, you know, in a sense very real looking drawings but they also represent the materials that will be used to build this canopy in the wall returning to the ground all is basically one color and in reality, you know, there's probably at two or three materials that are going to be used depending on where we end up and you know getting them all to match in terms of color and texture is no small trick. And so, the next meeting or the meeting after that when we get out there with some materials we're going to want to absolutely talk about the details and the materials of how these things turn and reach the ground to make sure that, you know what we're talking about and and then proposing is when you touch it and feel it and walk up to it is is what you understand and what you really get. Tim, can you go back to the one that has the orange so we can just see it again. Okay, so I have a question. See, he be sand is up to you brought the, you've got the orange on the angle, then you down to the side, where in the other version you didn't have that side panel so my question is about light coming into the office that's there does that block light. That's a, I'm only, I like the looks of it so it's more a question of what it does to the light that would have come around the corner because it looks like there's a shadow there. That's, that's an excellent question and the answer is, as it's drawn right here. It does but it doesn't have to. I mean, as you turn the corner and bring that plane to the ground it's a little unresolved in this model. But there is a window in this was currently a conference room and was designed to be the same size as principles office in case those two ever switch, which is possible. So we would, I mean, there is still a lot of glass and this is probably overstating the amount of glass here because we were just doing some studies here there's, there's some, there's some steel here that's got a lot of mineral bracing here that there's, if, if we were to, I'm sorry I'm getting into the details but the point is, we would not, we would not eliminate any daylight or glazing into this room we if we exercise this option we would do it in such a way that the, the daylight is preserved. Okay, I'll stop asking but I think what, but this is what we want to talk about. And, and Rupert were liking is this extra, both the extra color running around the slope part but that extra line coming down so my question was on the line coming down, and I will stop and Phoebe has her hand up. So I guess I actually had a lot of the same thoughts I think as Kathy did. So, I guess I have a two part question the first part of that is that line that's coming down. Does that follow the entire wall. So, or is it just sort of like we were to look at that sidewall, does that, is that the whole thing. And so does it remove all of those windows along that side, or is it just kind of on the front. So it's drawn. Sorry, that's the other version I don't have where we turn the corner in this particular deck, but right now it's drawn just to the, to the window, there are windows there at the nurse, the other offices and the conference room. I have a way to do this. Hold on. Right now it's drawn to come to here to the first window. But I think we can accomplish the effect of bringing it, even maybe not even going that far. You know, I think the discussion this has prompted has warranted studying it further and I think we can next time present a resolved gesture that is, it is what we're proposing here. And I let you know I like my concern would have been had it come all the way down the wall and what to do with the light from those windows. I also think just in my own opinion I do like the added orange up there. I don't know if we had more kind of over the music room area if it would be too much. I think it I think if it looked like this right now it would be a good balance. If we wanted to put it somewhere else and not there, but I don't want to do too much. No, I appreciate and that's the same question we've been asking ourselves and when we get to the views of the music room I think you'll have a better sense of we've gone too far. So, with Rupert, do you want to add to this again. Yeah, if I can just jump in, please. Interesting question. Does the return to the ground, significantly obstruct whoever's in that office seeing critical places outside sort of at that angle. So what's looking at the plan as drawn that would be a return on the wall right here so that would not the main plus and not the drop off but and not even the main bus loop because she would be looking at that through this window. And that would obscure some of the site, but we could detail it in such a way to achieve the desired effect of bringing the color to the ground with that in mind. And that's what I'm thinking about is, you know, if that's the principal's office they might want to be able to see Vans at the Vans spot, or buses at the bus drop off. And if that's visible then I don't think it's a concern. So, yeah, as we develop this we will certainly make sure that we understand what it means in terms of obstructive views of, you know, the sites entrance to the front door and stuff like that. So Tim, can you do one additional take this and don't have the that extra perpendicular one, you know just show with the, or, you know, I'm not saying take it away but just with that eliminated because I know you can make it shallower, or, you know, you know, not as deep as it is right now but just play with it a little bit so when we get it again we could see what happens to the way we all look at this if it doesn't exist at all or if it doesn't have as much of a shadow is it's less, it's less sticking out. Yes, absolutely. I mean I think the conversation that we're having here is is indicative that yes maybe this could afford a little bit more color a little more pop, you know maybe. And so we will, we will try to make this work as well as possible and achieve that goal without sacrificing view. Jonathan, can I ask you were you saying, think of whether orange on a different plane or orange on this plane and an accent color on one of the other planes I just was wondering what your. I was trying to encourage them to have feel like they have the freedom to explore how color is used on these roof edges in general, right here at the front of the building you know it's it's a simple material is a place to add color. I don't think I'd want them as Phoebe was saying all to be the orange but you know, and I realized the images that that that they have here today that they only had so much time to do. You know, one looks kind of white one looks kind of gray. I think those are in some ways I'm going to throw a word out there and call them kind of default colors that that you know were places where they haven't had the time to kind of get into the details. And so I'm encouraging them to, you know, look at this a little bit more holistically with this front third of the building. Because we have a number of different planes. I don't think they should all be the same but but it, but there might be some other opportunities and I want them to, I want them to look. Thanks. I will say your choice of the word default for the color is kind. Thank you for that. That's that's that's experience, you know, five time, there's so much time before a meeting. Here we are just turning the corner so you can see how that added orange to the administration roof edge would, you know, bring that color back along their story. And so that goes and sort of accentuate that volume here is the start of looking at introducing color in other ways here. We just did it on the return, which may be a bit too far back and too subtle to count as anything for the volume of the music room. But we also looked at a sort of more saturated. So this moves it away from the roof edge itself and and changes where it is so here we show what was the secondary material on the library and the music room and taking away from a neutral and putting the color there. And, and I don't know, you know, maybe that, at that point you've lost the diagram of the roof edges design defining the volumes with color, but it's something we wanted to talk about and see how you reacted to. You know, this view, it might be a bit too much, but here you can see that it's on the surface. It's not sort of 2d representation of that folding plane around the facade at the music room. Here it is at the cafeteria around the curtain wall. And then it also wraps the library volume. Can I ask, I'm looking at this and thinking about what it's made out of so, so the end wall the thin that we're seeing in the distance. Is that a brick surface or a metal surface or So that's, you know, full version of that story is up until the SDV exercise we imagined that being composite metal panel so that the texture and color of the whole orange plane would be the same and it's durable enough. So that it's durable enough that it could be, you know, not maybe right at the front door but pretty close to it. And certainly, you don't have any oil canning it that makes for a very nice clean geometric plane. If we are going, we accepted going to a break metal sheet metal at the roof edge. And, and then we could also use aluminum soffit panels, but that you can get the same color, the texture would probably be the same and it's more of a kid of parts so it looks a bit different and then if we wanted to. Those materials can come down the thin but then there's also the opportunity to use other things like misery but getting a color match between the brightly colored is that way lies madness so yeah, that's that's what I was talking to before when the next time we go out there and if these planes these gestures and form the design, you know how we actually build them is going to be very important otherwise it's going to look like we tried something and we didn't quite do it. So that tactile discussion is going to be very important and and maybe if, if we do save areas and some other maybe in very limited circumstances we could bring the composite metal down. It's just a discussion that we have to have when we balance everything. So, you know I guess my my design comment I generally try not to make design comments because it's not my role but it seems like that the design decision, one of the design decisions here is whether to use the orange. Very boldly just to the entrance or to use it more delicately in several different places. I don't have a strong opinion about one or the other, but it almost in the sort of strong version almost wreck it suggests that the orange is really strongly here, and might even be you know the canopy so that this whole object is the same color, and it's the only place to use it. And then the backup that all the alternative condition is that it appears in stripes elsewhere. Again, not voicing an opinion just stating that I think those are the two choices and you're a little bit it feels a little bit like this is on the fence between those. Yeah, I'm going to call on Jonathan and Phoebe first and then I'll speak after them. Jonathan why don't you go I don't know which one up for I can't see anymore so yeah. That's fine. I guess what I would say is, I think what would be helpful, because I think I think these are worthy explorations. And what sometimes becomes difficult or makes it harder to compare these things is the kind of format with that we've got today. And part of me wants you to take a little time to be kind of develop your, your, you know, say two or three best thoughts about how to do some of these changes how to do some of these integrations I agree with Margaret that that, you know, if we refer to be bold, we should be bold and try not to be kind of on the fence. But because there's a real component of this that has to do with the materiality of the different things we're looking at the actual, you know, masonry versus metal panel versus composite panel. I'm wondering if, if we should actually have a meeting where we can all be, well, I guess we can't all be in a room but you know where there's the opportunity to kind of spread these things out on a wall and see them in a larger context and have some of the things available again, because I'm really wanting to be able to see those brick samples and, you know, other samples that you had, whatever that was last fall. That's not so much an answer as a, as a desire to touch things again. So I'm just going to jump in before you, Phoebe, to say we I talked to Dennis go about coming out again. And we're talking about trying to schedule a time in early July that would work for everybody but they could also come out and we could walk the site the site layout and we could be physically looking at materials so it could be both the building focus and a site focus. It's not scheduled but it would be a way of, of getting more of a touch and a feel of all of this. So that was going to be, and my comment I'll wait till you make your, I have one other comment to make but Phoebe go. I was just going to say, actually, I strongly agree with Jonathan. That was my initial thought but in this case I do. I also however think just sort of from a pure looking at this perspective, I'm not sure how I feel I don't know whether it's the color itself how dark the green is there really showing on the screen. I like the bright pop of the orange I think it adds something to it. And so what I can't figure out is if I am not liking this as much just because it's a darker color or because of how much of it is used all around the, all around the side. So I do think it would be really nice to see sort of like Jonathan was saying sort of the top couple ideas and then one of the things that you know I'm I don't know that I'm necessarily married to these colors I don't know that anybody is at the stage. But I think kind of like we did, when we were looking at colors for the building itself a little bit a little while ago of like, sort of a side by side like, you know, here's what it would look like in these tones and here's what it would look like in these tones that we can really kind of see get a really good sense of, you know, is it the amount, is it the color itself, is it the, you know, and, and for those that can be there in person and present is that the texture is that the you know those kinds of things I think that's really important for something that's going to be, you know that we want to be beautiful and functional and, you know, and and and. So. So, along with that. I know we in the VE exercise, we went to mainly brick everywhere you to not lose any value in the building and any durability and this is bringing back some metals and composites so I just think trying to give us and, and Rick, you know when we say marginal costs, some of those marginal costs when we cut them out turned out to be enough that it was worth. You know so just, I don't want to get wedded to whether it's composite metal whatever these substances are using more of it rather than less of it. So I know if, if you tell us we're adding in the hundreds of thousands of dollars because we were, we've been told already we have to go to the triple glaze windows, you know so trying to find to think about the aesthetic parts of it wisely is the only might just play on the cost because I'd hate to get to something we fall in love with, and then we, and then we take it away. I'd rather, you know, be Google but pleasing. As we're making the so Jonathan's play about a couple best options and then us touch and feel the materials and see them side by side, I think is a way to go. Kathy and we absolutely always have that in the back of our minds I mean this is a discussion to see, you know how much color we think is appropriate and you know they're always going to be ways to accomplish it and, you know, we're not going to present or advocate for something that can't be built one technically or two financially so just say that. So I see Margaret's hand is up and Jonathan's hand is up. It may be markets and went down. I forgot to take my down. Okay so both hands are down. We're good for the next. And then another thing that we wanted to talk about is this is not one it it brings the color back to the roof edge as we have, you know, been showing for a while at the canopy and some other areas in the building, but it also introduces large areas of art potentially I know that's a separate discussion, but creating those areas is certainly part of the building design. And then, you know, the art can do the same thing that the color does in terms of defining a volume or creating interest or identity. So we're just putting it out there that this might be a location. There is a blank wall. It's just a question of does that compete with the front door. This is the view that you would get actually pulling away from the building but it's this part of the site to the right. You'd be looking at the building, you know, in this view sometimes I think maybe this looks a little bit too much like the front door from that view. It's just something we wanted to talk about if anybody has any thoughts on where these items should be or where we should be thinking about putting them. This is one location. There were some large blank walls on the gym that could also serve this function so it's, we just want to make sure that we don't lose sight of this and keep it as part of the discussion. And another part of this drawing is that if you take away the mural, I think it's one of the areas of the color roof edge that the music room is a lot closer to what we're doing in the canopy. So it's something to consider. I like that location for potential art. I would also advocate for something on the gym to be honest. You know, I don't think it takes away from the front entry. I think the entry, you know, you've been working on it for a while and I think it's got a certain boldness, particularly if, you know, maybe that underside gets the orange color as well. I think there's a boldness that'll come with that. And, you know, honestly, from this view, you've already entered the site. You know, the traffic's headed out the other direction. This is kind of, I think it helps draw pedestrians generally towards the front of the building. You know, if I'll loop it, you go first. You go. So this is very nice. I think I like less color. I like this one better than the last one with more green. So that's very helpful. Thank you. But I was going to say the same thing. I like, I like removing some of the green panel she showed before. And I like the white over the music rooms. I, you know, with the green or whatever color that ends up being, I think it's simpler and brighter, because this is the north side of the building. So it's not brightness on that side feels right. And this is the still that was at the beginning of the video that you've seen many times. This is taken from almost the same place with the reconfigured site. We've looked at this slide earlier to give context for the gym. And we will obviously include this view when we do further studies on adjusting the color of the administration volume and bring that plane to the ground potentially. But we just threw this slide in there to sort of the shift of the parking to the north makes a very large difference in the experience of the main entry. So we just wanted to put this view and at eye level to make that there. Yeah, Jim, since you seem to be able to add things like people walking around part of the part of the increase here was to allow a space for bike racks. Can you throw, can you throw a bike rack and just to shoot. We will throw a bike and and I will just a placeholder to remind people that you know part of this enlargement was walkers and bikers. And I don't, for right now I don't care where you throw it in but just. So it's not just cars that people see by likeness. And by the next time we show this we might actually have a design for this space. This is just, I mean, well, now this area of heartscape rivals the playground in terms of guess you need area to walk up to the building guess you need areas for the bikes depart but this would also be a lovely place for planters and benches and stuff like that so when we get to that stage in the very near future we will share that. So that's what we have in terms of design images today, I think actually it's as good a conversation as I was hoping for, and we have, we have several ideas that are almost ready to present it but it would have been too confusing today. So we touched on the materiality and what it means to bring those folding planes to the ground so the next time we meet we can talk about that and certainly the next time we meet in person will be all about that, or a lot about that and then the introduction I mentioned that we were massaging the mechanical room and electric room, and that has some effect on the stair that's outside the gym and that that stairs. We haven't really gotten inside it and presented it but that's there is going to do a lot of work in terms of getting lights into the building down from the second floor into the lobby and we really want to make sure that, you know, the this is how that's coming off the stair and the geometry of that stairs understood and we could talk about that the next time we meet. And that's what we have. So Tim, can I ask for the next time we meet because right now, since we've been revising schedules to to pit people schedules. We don't have anything on the subcommittee building for next week, we just have a tentative and we have to find a time for site. And so we're, we're trying to schedule the site so that Tim, some of the school staff can and be there. We need a meeting next week, the week of the 19 the week of the 26 but just you can answer that right now or you can just email me but people need to put holds on their calendars. And we're, we've now we've, the seventh wasn't a scheduled meeting, we did have a tentative hold on for the 14 so it's, it's a question for when you'll be ready. And, and for people to think about, and if you need to tell us after this meeting, that's fine. I, I want to say that we'll be ready on the 14th, but I think I should confirm and send you an email. The clock is ticking we need to have these meetings and advance the design. I asked everyone who's here. If we needed to have it sounded like if we did the site summary of where we are in the site before people come out that needed to move to the afternoon can the building subcommittee shift to a morning. So that, so that's Rupert Sean PB, PB. I mean, these are going to be posted as committee of the whole, you know, so, so. Kathy. Yeah. So we had been. Okay, so you're fine. That's great. Okay, Tim. So if, if we need to do site in the afternoon and building in the morning. That works for us. Okay. So I will get. And it's starting earlier good for people like nine in the morning. Does that work. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting on the 16th, but just trying to find out to maximize the number of people who can come when Dinesco comes to Amherst. You know, not collide with week long vacation. So we'll find out, you know, this first couple of weeks of July. And then we'll do here we have briefly what the agenda is so you can see what the agenda is in terms of where we're going. You know, not collide with week long vacation. So we'll find out, you know, those first couple weeks of July. We're the first week in July just I I'll get information from people probably before we meet on the 16th, just so I can get some sense. Can I request, I don't think I have any invites for next week's meetings at all. Right. Well, I think it's because I haven't posted them. So that would be correct. So there's, there's going to be a site subcommittee and I didn't post it because I didn't know what time. So Angela's going to post it. And the 16th will be the normal time meeting time. And I can post them today, actually, you know, get Angela to do the invites because the issue for the 16th is just going to say information and recommendations or discussion from the two subcommittees. You know, so it's, it's an easy agenda to post, but I was trying to figure out what many meetings we have so there'll be two meetings on the 14th, one building and one site, and then a full committee meeting on the 16th. And sorry, what's the normal time I'm having a little bit of issue with time zone. So if you can tell me what normal. 830 in the morning Eastern Coast, East Coast, these are all these are zoom so that's, that's fine. I can, I can translate it's just been an interesting whirlwind over the last little bit. You're on your, you're on your road trip. We are. Yes. Maybe you have the invite for the Friday meeting next week right. Yeah, I don't. It's a whole, it's a whole. But, but Margaret she's saying she doesn't have the zoom yet and that's because Angela. Yeah, exactly. I'll get them, I'll get them all posted, hopefully to what's today is Wednesday, I'll get them either posted today or tomorrow. So they'll all be posted. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Typically, even when I just get it it holds a spot in my calendar but it hasn't been doing that for some reason so it's been have been off so. But I'll make sure that it does that today when I get the other ones. Thank you. So any other comments, large or small, because we have public and I want to make sure we open it up for public comments. There is, okay, I am going to allow one person to talk. Here we go. Bruce, I have allowed you to talk when you're with us just on mute. I think I have, can you hear me. Yes. I haven't been on this meeting for a while and I noticed that most of all of you women have radically changed your hairstyles which is very interesting and I can't say the same of the man who haven't changed a bit. It's really nice to see how this is evolving and developing and I must say I'm kind of most of what's been what I wanted to say has been said or raised by various committee members. So to some degree I'm reiterating and just adding or subtracting where appropriate. I think the the color on the roof edges is an interesting idea. And like Jonathan I encourage this exploration I think the, I'm not so keen on the vertical, bringing that vertical down on the west on the south. West corner, it seems a bit awkward to me I don't quite know how it's going to work out but but you've all flagged that and Tim says this is why we explore things and so I'm fully confident that that exploration will be constructive. The dry heated freeze spandrel that I think Kathy you mentioned was a, you preferred it to when it changed to something else and I think I would to particularly where it's close to the ground you know at the under the, as it goes further higher in the building perhaps it becomes a little more interesting and and and and and a balanced integrity or so but down the close it seemed a little jarring even. I do like the way that you've used the color edge on the on the administrative building as well, because that's that's angled as it's angled in the horizontal plane. I mean it's angled vertically whereas the, the, the entry is an angle in the horizontal plane so that they both angle, they're differently angled and I think that would read very interestingly in real life as you moved around. I, so I think that's the place to do it. I got to put my glasses on the. I was curious about that high window in the West wall to the administration I think Tim you said it was either the principal's office or the conference room. Certainly when it's a square rectangle. It looks awkward it doesn't fit with everything else it didn't seem to me anyway and I thought what is that that's, that's a, that seemed to arrive you know uninvited. So it doesn't feel as nice. I think angling it made it better but then angling it is associated with that thing that I had reservations about. I think in discussions of roof overhangs in terms of shading and so forth I think it's also worth noting that the value of roof overhangs can also be accounted. The protection to the vertical wall surfaces that roof overhangs give is not to be discounted it has value. It depends on the surface below it certainly with houses and so forth it's kind of critical, but in these kind of buildings, a bit of overhang is going to have long term value. And I'm not saying that we should have it everywhere, but where it is, it will offer that value as well so it's a, it's one more factor in the equation. The music room and art location I really did like that out location. Probably well on the other side is well but that's the side you're going to be seeing it, mostly in motion in cars either buses driving up or around or so forth whereas on the north side. It's going to be visible from people in sedentary positions people standing people not in cars people on ball fields as Tathy said it's on the side that's not brightened by the sun so I think there's a lot of reasons why that location that Tim showed us is a really nice location and probably considered as one of the location options. The, I've got two more if I can the the vertical slot at the southeast corner of the gym can we didn't discuss that or maybe you have it at another time. It, it looked like from one room that it one aspect that it was a vertical glaze slot. And I have to say that putting vertical glazing. That's to a wall is a really good location because the light comes in and that's on the south side and the southwest light will come in. And once it comes and hits that side wall it'll distribute it very nicely it's a very good location you get a very good return on glazing investment in terms of light distribution in the room. In my experience anyway when you do what you when you put a window in that location if that indeed is a window. So, I like that. I like the gym glazing corner angle that was early discussed I thought that looked interesting. And final questions is not. I, I, I, I don't know whether I made an advocated for the still height of the kindergarten windows. I think it would be nice to have some more, some of those schools so that my, my, my, my four or five year old grandson, when he's in that room which he will be. Maybe he won't be his five year old, I guess, but I do the math, but my somebody else's five year old grandson can look out of that window when he's standing. I think that would be that would be lovely so I will advocate for a still height and portion at least of the kindergarten that allows for that to happen. And as far as I can tell that's all I have to say thank you very much I think it's wonderful to see this progress moving the way it's moving with all of you involved. Thank you Bruce. We have one other person Rudy and Rudy I brought you in if you unmute. Jeremy Kathy. Yep. Okay. Well, I think the committee as as I, and the designers have always focused on making sure that the entrance is strongly defined so you're not confused by the architecture or the appearance of the building about where the main entrance is. I think the orange the addition of the orange on that ends the additional roof rim is another way of helping to find that that that Western face is this is the main entrance and I like that. The orange pops well against that gray. And I worry about adding the green in because the orange doesn't pop as well against the green. I would try to keep it orange on the gray from that Western face. And if you need to change the appearance of the top band of the wall or something maybe you go with a darker gray or bigger masonry panel units with a dark grout or something so that stays in the same orange on gray range, but changes visual appearance and parts of the wall possibly. I don't think I like the art art is always appealing but I think it does confuse about where the main entrance is and Bruce made the point that the pedestrians even though the cars may be driving away from that art. All the people who have parked their cars are going to be walking back to enter the building. And they're going to see the cafeteria doors with that mural there and they're not I don't think they see the front doors the way they're positioned. So the logical thing by placing that art there is that the cafeteria door is the intended entrance and I think that could be confusing so I think some work needs to be done on that I did like the green band around the media room windows on the white I thought that stood out without confusing people about where the main entrance is located. So, a lot of nice thoughts but I just think that the arts going to be a poll visually, and we have to be careful that the artist place so it doesn't make people think that the main entrance is at a different location than where you want them to go. So, anyway, that's it thanks and I have to say on my projects, I hated when people did committee discussions of color. So you're very brave, because nobody ever agrees on color. So, thanks for letting us give our thoughts about it, but I understand that at some point, just a few people are going to have to make the calls so thanks. Well, thank you. Thank you Rudy and one comment I need to make about art more generally, I forgot, I think, or maybe I did to post the percent for art bylaw, I think I did in the last full committee but I'll post it again. I mean we have a process we're supposed to go through that has both people in the building using the building and some outside choosing and so the key thing a we have to trigger it and be the designers are doing just what we would need them to do is say it could go here it could go here it could go there without making a decision even about what the it is. So we have the flexibility of it being something you climb on, as opposed to something you see. So just, I'm not sure I have to talk to Paul because the town manager actually has to put together a committee. We've made it complicated. And, and we have to give it a budget. You know, it's an up to point 5%, but we don't have to spend point five so just, and we don't have to do it right away the big thing on art that we wanted to do is that wherever when it would be integrated with the design of the building so this kind of discussion on where it might be is where we really need to be thinking a month where where we might want it, as opposed to what the it is. So, with that said, I think we're done and I'm going to be confirming. The building will start at nine, the subcommittee next week at 9am East Coast time. The full committee on Wednesday and the 14th and then on the 16th full committee these will be posted as joint that for the subcommittees and site I just have to find out whether site will start right noon or at one we we just were only told the sixth grade is graduating, you know, so just trying to make sure they can get to a meeting and the site. The site discussion is everything that's been collected and all the meetings that's happened so they've met with the, the athletic teams they've met with the organizers about play spaces they got comments from the first meeting that I wasn't at PB that you were at. So it's a collection of all of that that that is the agenda for the site subcommittee. So any other questions. I don't have a question but I have a request Tim can you send your images to me so that I can incorporate some of them in the meeting notes. And I will send them to you too, Kathy. No, that would be great because if you send them I will just post them in today's meeting packet where many of us will have to say which one of those. I remember I labeled one aqua music room. So I know which one that one is because you hadn't labeled so. So these were great I like all these choices, by the way I think it's terrific. I would call the package just do the package. So I think with that, we are adjourned at 107 by my notes and thank you, thank you everyone for joining us today. Have a great rest of the week.