 So you were at Webchapel for seven years, obviously, that cross-cultural appointment and minister of yours went well. Looking back, were there any particular things that you did or the congregation did that helped that cross-cultural ministry to develop so well? But I think just people getting to know people, you have to walk alongside people and let them know who you are and who they are to you. That didn't mean that I didn't have some naysayers because you always, I mean, that's anywhere you go, period. But by and large, people want to get to know other people. People want that connection. One of the things that I said to the people at Webchapel was, you may ask me any question that you want to ask me. I reserve the right to say I'm not going to answer that question. And so they would ask, once they got to know me a little better, they started asking questions about race, about, you know, getting along with other people. We always came back to, you know, you're not like, yes I am, yes I am, yes I am. You just, how many black people do you know besides me? And that question would always, they would be like, well, how many black people do you know besides me and Eddie Mayberry? And they would always say, none. I said, well, there you go. I know lots of them. So it's just a matter of getting to know.