 Greetings, everyone. Welcome to Holistic Health Talk live podcast. I'm your host, James P. Madonna of Megalike21, the hardest-hitting internet talk radio station on the planet. And I would like to introduce, very soon, my guest for the very first time, a very special guest, Mr. Stephen R. Santangelo, originally from California, but now resides in a state of Kentucky with a very large, very comprehensive, non-GMO organic farm. He's an expert organic farmer and a longtime old-school fitness professional and fitness expert. And we will be discussing, aside from natural, holistic health and proper diet, like it used to be back in the day, we will be discussing exercise, resistance, fitness bands, and exercise for older adults. Okay. Primarily, fitness bands as an excellent alternative source of exercise, outstanding exercise equipment that I personally use and that I personally promote. And we will get into depth about exercise bands and fitness for older adults, exercise as a form of fountain of youth for older adults, and particularly Stephen R. Santangelo's special fitness bands. And his organic GMO produce, he's also a beekeeper, so it should be a very, very fascinating show for holistic health talk, the very first time ever on my show live. And we will now go to my guest, Stephen Santangelo. Yes, all the people, all the people that accept taking pharmaceuticals, and I was making the comment that almost all people accept the fact that by the time they're in their 40s, they have to take pharmaceuticals, that's a natural part of life. And when they say, well, it's natural that I should do it. And I always tell them, I said, this isn't natural, it's common. There's a big difference between being common and what is natural. And just way too many folks, the average American takes five pharmaceuticals on a regular basis. Now, through the simple math, I haven't had any pharmaceuticals, not even over the counter drugs like aspirin, titanium, none of that, since October of 1992. Okay, so that means I don't take any, someone out there has to be taking 10 of them in order to make the average American only taking five. So simple math tells us that our country is very drug, in fact, Americans take more pharmaceuticals, especially painkillers than the entire world combined. Very dangerous epidemic nowadays, prescription painkillers. Yeah, and people don't realize how easy it is to become addicted to OTCs or pharmaceuticals. And they don't look at it as being negative because it's not classified as a recreational drug, even though in many cases it's used in combination with recreational drugs. You talk to someone and they'll talk about how bad the epidemic is right now in this country with heroin, that it's now taking over cocaine and meth. But those same people aren't talking about the number of people that are dropping dead every year from pharmaceutical overdoses. And there are even more deaths per year from pharmaceuticals that people are following the prescription. They're taking what is recommended. It's not in combination with recreational drugs. It's not a deliberate overdose like suicide. It is following the directions that are given to us. And I always tell people, don't take my word for go to the CDC and look it up. It's all right there. And yet that's very acceptable. It's not to get off the subject too much, but it's like the same argument between legalizing marijuana and alcohol. And the number of deaths every year from alcohol is well over 20,000. That's just driving, Trump driving. It's not a cirrhosis of liver and other diseases. Now, how many people die of marijuana each year? Hey, Jesse Ventura said it perfectly. Somebody smokes joints, they smoke marijuana, they go sit in the corner, listen to Jimi Hendrix and mellow out. Somebody gets drunk, they go home, beat their wife, or they kill somebody driving. Yes, exactly. And people don't understand that. You don't become violent when you smoke a pot. It's a downer. It's a depressant. It totally takes the nervous system down. And people will be more than happy to stare at a fish tank for a couple of days rather than going out committing a crime. Meditate, yeah. But not to get too much into that political stuff. But I want to draw that parallel as to, you know, how people think and what they have been brainwashed into thinking and manipulated into thinking. So, you know, when our parents were growing up, they rarely would go to the doctors. They weren't drug induced the way young children are. And that's one of the reasons why so many of them lived more of a healthy life. It might be, yeah. That generation's life expectancy increase. It's not our generation. Though there will be those of us who will live a longer life. And when I promote nutrition, when I promote exercise, especially to the older crowd, it's not about living longer. That whole longevity thing is the fountain of youth that's promoted by the supplement companies. So take this, you're going to add three years to your life. Take this, you're going to add another 10 years to your life. It's not about longevity. It's about the quality of life and making every day something that you can look back on. But wow, yeah, I felt good that day. I can't wait till tomorrow. I accomplished something yesterday. I want to accomplish something today. It's about the quality of life, the vitality that we could live with now. How you feel and the self-confidence that comes with how better you look. Yeah, yeah. You brought up the guy that says, well, I can cross the street and get hit by a truck. Well, yeah, of course. But what does that have to do with your quality of life and how you felt up until you got hit by the truck? Yeah, all of that, we can't control. So that's why I never talk about longevity and that respect. I always talk about the quality of life and how you're living in the present, what you are accomplishing in the present. Now, my Italian grandparents as children, they grew up during the Great Depression. And it seems like many ethnic people that grew up during the Great Depression, they all ended up having fantastic backyard vegetable gardens with fruit trees and herbs and they stored things. They used the mason jars and all that and they stored food away for the winter and they had it in the basement on shelves. They all had this similarity. So out of necessity, I'm sure they learned from their parents, they grew produce in the suburbs and some people have even done it in the city with urban gardening. Yeah, it can be done. It's that nowadays people don't want to put the effort out. They always use the excuse, I don't have time for this, I don't have time for that, but they sure have time for everything else. Now, I don't expect people to do what we do. As you know, I'm really over the top and familiar with what I do to produce a very high quality food and a highly nutritious food. Yeah, it would be great if more people took that avenue but I don't expect them to, but there are so many things that people can do and it's a matter of time. It's a matter of structuring your time and doing it. Now, when I grew up, my parents had a garden ever since I could remember. So, you know, your typical little Italian garden. My grandfather, he had a garden, a family garden. My wife, she was raised on a 600 acre farm out in Iowa. She grew up working on the farm, learning to cook, which unfortunately most people don't do anymore. A self-sustaining family farm. Right. So, you know, that was a lifestyle and that's when children were part of it. And I remember visiting my grandfather in Jersey, not far from you, when we would visit. Yeah, I would be out there every day with him, watering, you know, weeding, pulling crops, and that was just part of the lifestyle. I didn't look at it as, wow, this is work. I don't want to do this. I want to go play with my cousins. No, that was part of the family structure. I even had chickens. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it was a lifestyle. It was, you grew up with the, oh, for God's sakes, my Italian relatives had fig trees in the north. They used to cover it with burlap and mulch for the winter. They used to wrap the fig tree. They had, I know an Italian family that not only has vegetables, herbs, but they have a kiwi fruit growing on a trellis. They have grapes. They have, I mean, you grew up with this and a lot of modern families have no idea how to grow a friggin string bean for God's sakes. You know, but you grew up with this and it was vine ripened. It was delicious. It was organic. And I think it should be a course in grammar school and high school, a home gardening. I think all that wasted landscape land at every grammar school and high school. This should be a gardener. It should be part of their curriculum learning that and they could donate the produce to the homeless, the soup kitchens, food pantries, county parks, state parks should have fruit orchards for the poor. But as a school course, learning organic home gardening. The unfortunate part is all anything related to what you're talking about, especially in the arts, music, art classes, that's being eliminated and kids are being taught on a computer. Even in preschool, they're being taught on a computer and everything is so technologically dear and it's removing the creativity. I just in no way believe that teaching kids how to push buttons on a computer, I don't care what the game is, I don't care what the images they're putting together, that is not creativity. There is not the connection between the mind and the hand as in both school art. Well, kids don't go out and play like I did. No, they don't. They have their iPhones, iPads, iBis, iBat and it's a real shame and we are seeing a generation of zombies because the world now is based upon that technology. You can't do business without the technology and you really can. Obviously, I use it to my advantage with the internet and Facebook, social media. As you know, my page is a business setup. It's not for gossip. It's not for dissing and I greatly appreciate that. I have close to 1800 followers right now. It's growing all the time and I appreciate the fact that everyone respects what the page is about and they don't get on with a lot of this social media junk. However, a great many of the people on my page are closer to our age and they still have that sense of value, that sense of respect and I think that also presents a mindset for older people in their fifties, in their sixties to allow them to look at life differently, to have a mutual respect. Not that I'm better than you are and I'm going to prove it or I have a hotter body than you are that you have but we have this more holistic approach or holistic outlook on life and that's part of being youth. I don't remember who was a very prominent author once said that youth is wasted on the young and many decades later that quote is very true. There are many adults my age, even older, that have a lot more zest and a lot more youthfulness than people that are teenagers, people that are in their 20s. So that has a lot to do with longevity, it has a lot to do with the value of life, your well-being. You don't think about disease, you don't think about getting sick because you're too busy enjoying life and you're too busy planning the next day, you're too busy looking ahead instead of living life looking in the rear view mirror and enjoying life plays a major role in how you live, how you treat others and that's something that a lot of people don't have anymore. There's just a certain value in life that is lost. Well this is, yeah, as you mentioned earlier it's all about me type of attitude, whether it's in sports or non-athletics, just all across the board. We see this in politics, we see it in schools, we see it everywhere. Yeah, it's a me generation, me, myself and I, it's very self-centered. Sometimes it's frightening because some people actually behave like sociopaths where they show no remorse in what they do, they can't distinguish right from wrong. The young people in my region, they don't say thank you when I hold the door open for them, no way. That's very true, yeah, my wife and I just are blown away with that. Rarely hear thank you and usually the people that you do get a thank you from are people, you know, my age, our age or older because that was part of life, that was part of respecting people. I'm sorry. Oh, I was just going to say it doesn't make any difference whether you like that person or not, it's a matter of just respecting people and overall. And we got old-fashioned discipline back then. Okay, the kids today, they're treated, they're negotiated with as an equal, there was no alpha parent anymore, there's no, you know, we got the old-fashioned discipline and we grew up to respect others and I think we grew up just fine. But getting back to your page, you know that I love the beautiful natural multicolors of your farm fresh food and I post it on my group, everything is food and people love it. And this is the beauty of organic non-GMO farm fresh produce, nature's beauty. And so when you post a photo of all different color peppers or whatever, I mean, that's nature's work of art. I just have to share it and you know, could you imagine having a good juice extractor or a ninja or a Vitamix and making smoothies from produce like that locally grown? It's incredible, it truly is. My wife and I were just talking about it today because we're finished harvesting so we don't have the fresh foods, now we're using foods that we have frozen or have canned and you know, we're 99% sustainable when it comes to food. We don't eat out, I couldn't imagine what it would be like eating out at a restaurant, it's been so many years. But we're talking about that, that you know, we don't have the fresh juice anymore in the morning or post-workout juice and we do miss it but we get to look forward to it. And I always make the comment often and you could probably caught this that I do not manipulate the color or photoshop any of the vegetables or fruits that we present because I want people to know what real food is, hopefully encourage people to find a local supplier, encourage people to grow their own. And people don't have to grow enough tomatoes to last a season but you know, enough to have some good sauce once in a while or just bite into to throw in a salad, just enough as a reminder, maybe enough to inspire people to promote healthy living. You know, 30, 40, 50 years ago and when my parents were growing up, you know, they went through the depression and World War II. This is what it was all about, fresh food, you know, canned food, packaged food, pretty much to not exist. Not toxic factory farm of Monsanto GMO poison but food the way it was meant to be. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, points of vitality that I often post on my page. There are key elements and this is another reason why I think a lot of the people, our age are living better because when we ate real foods, we had foods that contained enzymes. We had foods that had minerals. We had foods that were alkalizing that would balance the blood pH. We had foods that were anti-inflammatory. We had foods that were loaded with antioxidants and we had foods that supported our natural hormones. Unfortunately, today's food does not have that. It's totally opposite. It's devoid of minerals and enzymes. Most foods nowadays, even vegetable-based, plant-based foods, a lot of them are acidified. A lot of them are any or not any inflammatory, but they are inflammatory. Antioxidants basically don't exist and so many of the foods are estrogenic because of the toxins, whether it's GMO or non-GMO, but because of the toxins, it combats these elements for long-term, before a healthy life, for vitality, for whatever word you want to use to describe a better quality of life. Well, the commercials that I see on TV, advertising so-called antioxidant-rich juices like the pomegranate, was it POM, something or other? People have to understand these supermarket juices are pasteurized and the living enzymes are destroyed. Now, let me ask you a question. Is it possible as a way to store a lot of your produce in an indefinite way? Is it possible for you to acquire a commercial-grade food dehydrator and along with a slow juicer, take a lot of your excess surplus produce, juice it and then dry it into a powder and possibly sell your own organic non-GMO combination freeze-dried powder or just dehydrated powder drink in cans? Well, we kind of do that. I have my special fall-winter blend and my green power blend, which was a formerly named spring-summer. That's pretty much the line that we work on. Now, there are ingredients in those that we do not grow. It would not be financially wise whatsoever and far too time-consuming. You mean like spirulina, chlorella and things like that? Yeah. Yeah. And as you know, I post often is anything that we provide. Well, let me step back a little bit. Not everything, but nearly everything we provide is medicinal grade. And there's a huge, huge difference between medicinal grade and other products. And we'll definitely get into a lot of this later. We'll be absolutely surprised. But pretty much what you're saying. Freeze-dried, there are different types of processes that are used. Nearly every single process is worthless because of what it does to the food. When you're talking about a good extractor, that works well, but you have to freeze it very rapidly. We freeze almost all of our foods, whole foods. The only products that we actually put through a canning process are tomatoes, because tomatoes need that heat in order to break the shell of lycopene to be available to our body as the powerful antioxidant it is. But as far as canning other foods, no, we don't. We have tons of tomato sauce and lots of salsa. That's a powerhouse of lycopene. But everything else we put in freezers. I know a honey can be dried because I've seen, I've seen a pseudo-fake Arizona cactus honey. And that's another story, consumer fraud. The government, USDA, whatever, allows these food companies to sell agave nectar powder mixed with other sugars with a little honey flavor and actually call it desert honey because the damn agave grows in the desert. Well, guess what? It's not cactus. It is not a cactus. It is not true high desert cactus honey. It's not. It's fake. But they dry it and they sell it as a powder. But I didn't know this. Bill's definitely be touching on that in the upcoming series, because you know how I am about honey and pollen. You've seen my post and I'm very adamant about why our honey is the quality it is. And we will do a show on honey because honey is an ancient, very nutritious, very medicinal food. But we will do a show on apple. Let's go to the bands now. Before I talk about the bands, I just want to say that my take on the epidemic of obesity in America is because of refined carbohydrates and insulin resistance. I believe in a paleo actins type of eating. You have to get enough fiber though, a lot of fiber, but no refined carbohydrates, no sugar, moderate protein, and high-fighter nutrients. But this is the problem. Our toxic food industry has people have people hooked on sugar, like a drug dealer would have somebody hooked on, let's say heroin, and it's a racket. Unfortunately, this is where capitalism has gone. It's all about greed, the bottom line, a profit over people and the planet. Now, getting into bands, Stephen R. Santangelo, aside from being an expert organic farmer, is a fitness expert. He is a proponent on exercise resistant bands, which he sells his own particular brand now. Take it from here, Stephen. Yeah, I want to step back a little bit before I get into what I'm doing now with bands, but step back a little bit with the history of bands because there's a lot of misinformation out there. There are a lot of planes by individuals who call themselves the original rubber band man and a few other catchy phrases out there. And some of these people, which is, I don't want to just limit it to these particular individuals, but since we are talking about fitness nutrition, it's all over the net. People steal like crazy. They make claims that are there, that claim they are on their own, but they really aren't. They rip off a lot of people. Plagiarism. Yeah. And unfortunately, in the world of fitness, it's next to impossible to protect yourself. It's just the way patent laws are. I have looked into that quite extensively over the years, but let's get a little bit, step back a little bit with resistance bands, a little bit of history on it so I could set the truth about them. I won't go into big or deal about it, but just to give people an idea and also give people an idea of how I came across bands and why I have been using them for many, many years and how I finally developed my own line. Resistance bands have been on the market since about the early mid-80s. And a fellow by the name of Dick Hartzell out of northeastern Ohio had actually begun experimenting with seamless resistance bands. And over a period of a handful of years, he was able to connect with overseas technology to develop these. Eventually, Elite Fitness Westside Barbell, with their accommodating resistance, they began using a lot of bands for their development of power lifters. But when it comes to power lifting, go to Elite Fitness, go to Westside. They have produced more world record holders than any other club around. Now, regardless whether they're using or natural, that's not the case here for discussion. But they really got into the science aspect of it and have promoted it in a very positive way. Now, in about the last 10 years especially, there's been all sorts of geometry all over YouTube and all over the internet and people claiming to be original developers of it. I did play a role in developing resistance bands, not back in the 80s with Dick Hartzell or early on with Westside. But I helped bring to light that there's more than just four or five different types of bands which Dick Hartzell had initially created. And got all these different sizes, different thicknesses for all different types of applications. So it took it out of the power lifting world into the athletic world for a whole variety of sports. And I was also the one to bring about all the flashy colors as you've seen in some of my posts and what you've seen yesterday. Yeah. And there was a reason for it because once you start getting into 40-inch bands in the different widths and then you get to 30-inch bands, different widths, and then into 12-inch bands, 10-inch bands and so forth, the color coding, more people are going to identify with that than they are if you start calling out numbers. Because you have a bunch of bands on the wall, you know, you call out, yeah, go get that bright orange one. You don't have to tell them, hey, it's a number 6, 40-inch such and such. And that has helped tremendously to move bands more into the common fitness arena. Now, I was first introduced to bands before Dick Hartzell had actually created these. We used to use inner tubes and we used to cut inner tubes to different sizes, tie them in knots, and we would do all sorts of crazy exercises with them. One woman that I got to meet, she lived not far from us, she had her business real close, is a Dr. Victoria Voda. Now, 35 years ago, she was just beginning to come into her own and she was still using inner tubes. And I had worked with her and got to do some great stuff and exercises that she had developed at that point I still use today. Now, Dr. Victoria Vodan, I still call her Vicki Vodan, she was the chiropractor for the 1984 women's gymnastics team. And she has gone on, she has now worked with world-class athletes, especially elite Olympic and world record holders in track and field. She had been very progressive in her thinking because at that time a lot of people just didn't think, ah, this stuff is just not right. This is too gimmick drink. We didn't really have the science back then to prove it, but we had the results. And we got along very well because I'm, as you know, I'm very progressive. I'm always stepping out of the norm, but still staying with the basic science, staying with the basics of what's needed for an exercise program. And then eventually, when bands became popular, after it was taken out of the powerlifting world and after it was taken from the elite athletic world, that's when everyone was coming up with these ridiculous exercises and promoting it as science. And what they were doing was they were taking the true science of what was being developed and what was being used for accommodating resistance in the 80s and 90s, and then using that to support their absurd exercises. Well, I know rehabilitation physical therapists use bands and tubing as part of their profession. I know that, and they, and they, however, yeah, I'm sorry. However, most of the bands that are used are not the professional line of bands like I have or others that have it. Those are bands that are used for a very limited amount of time. And unfortunately, so many people that have not been involved with the athletic world, when they hear about resistance bands, they are thinking of these real thin latex bands that the chiropractors and their physical therapists will cut and then tie and knock, say, you know, use it for this and that. It has its applications. However, to get it out of that realm is where there's a big, big issue and an issue that I have, because that's where the gimmick tree starts. So they tear. Oh, they tear. If you use one of those on a regular basis, you will be lucky if you get 90 days worth of work out of it. Okay. Okay. Now, also, there are the tubes. I am not fond of the tubes at all, even though a lot of infomercials promote them. I don't care for them. One of the reasons is because with a tube, it has to have a handle. And once you have a handle, your hand has to be on that handle at all times. If you use a tube and try to wrap it around different body parts, just because the nature of a tube being cylindrical, it's going to roll. It's not going to stay fixed. Whereas, you know, with the flat bands, such as I have my line, been distributing for many years now, I honestly can't tell you when I first started. But when you wrap it properly and put it on a selected body part, do any sort of exercise, it stays there and it works in conjunction with your natural biomotor patterns. And that's one of the key factors of seeing bands. I snapped many a tubing and it always breaks at the same point where it enters the handle. Where the tubing enters the handle, it has like a round or football-shaped rubber plug in there to hold it in. And that's where it always snaps. But with a heavy duty band that never ever happens to me. And I also noticed with the larger bands, you really do not need a handle. It's extremely comfortable in the hand. And you can very easily supinate and pronate your hands. Like if you're doing bicep curls or even if you're doing a tricep extension with a door anchor from the top of the door. It is so damn comfortable. And it's so, you know, I mean, you can just, like I said, supinate, pronate your hands. And I will go on record and say that exercise bands of high heavy duty quality are just as good, if not better, in some ways than barbells, dumbbells, and machines. They are not, they are not toys people. They are extremely challenging exercise equipment tools. And they have lots of pros. They don't take up much room. They're outstanding for travel, fitness suitcase with no problem, work out in a hotel room, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. In fact, a survival fitness program that I had developed for a military special forces some years ago, we use resistance bands exclusively. And even some of the guys when they would go overseas, they used to take the bands with them because it was very easy. Like I said, it's very convenient. It's pretty much a home gym in a one little pack. And it has, you know, they have the ability to do prehab work, rehab work, develop strength, develop speed, develop endurance, fat burning conditioning, flexibility, mobility, muscle hypertrophy, body shape and body sculpting, warm up, pool down, active rest, restoration. It develops eccentric and concentric movements of the muscle. The list goes on and on. Now, even though I am very pro, very pro band user and promoted in my training, it's not the absolute. It's, as you mentioned, it has a lot of good qualities when used properly, but there are certain drawbacks and every implement has its positive, has its drawbacks. It's a matter of how that implement is used and it's a matter of what is your goal. What is your desired effect that you want? Yeah, well, obviously a professional athletes that go on the road, it's perfect for them. Right. I mean, any professional athlete that goes on the road. Yeah, well, almost all professional athletes use them exclusively. Olympic athletes, elite athletes, endurance athletes, strength athletes, they use them because they work, but they use them properly. Oh, it's real resistance. The heavy duty, thicker exercise band, it'll kick your ass. I mean, it's like lifting weights. It's not a toy. It's not a pad. It's the real deal, in my opinion. Yeah, and if the bands didn't work, bless you. Thank you. If the bands didn't work, all these, you know, high-end athletes will not be using them. And another advantage with them is that they use them as a single implement, but they could also be combined and are extremely effective with barbells and dumbbells. You know, Westside Barbell Elite Fitness, the big power lifters, they have found the accommodating resistance to be incredible. They could be used, attached to kettlebells. They could even be attached to ridiculous weight machines that you find in the gym. You know, you know what I do, strongman implements, they could be used with. You know, it's all a matter of understanding the purpose. Every implement has a purpose. And that is where the foundation or the baseline needs to be established. Too often, trainers just love to jump on the bandwagon. They love to jump on the CrossFit bandwagon. They love to jump on the kettlebell bandwagon. And a lot of them are jumping on the resistance bandwagon. Well, look at the mace. They're using the gata, the ancient tool called the mace or gata. They're using it as a barbell. They're inventing these linear one-dimensional barbell type exercises and doing videos of using a mace as a barbell because they're selling their program, their DVDs or their certification program. That's another thing to talk about on another show. Every time they can, Harry has their own certification. Now, what educational institution is backing their so-called certification? None of them. None of them, right? You know, and I run into this quite a bit. And since we're on the subject of certification, I used to have tons of certifications that I collected over the years. And I finally realized, I said, you know what? I'm not going to renew most of these because it's just not worth it. Now, ones that I still have and that I've held on to is I'm a certified Olympic weightlifting coach. I'm a level one track and field coach. And I'm a certified resistance band instructor. But from the original days, not the stuff they have out now. Hey, it's ridiculous. And some people are always surprised to hear this, but I'm also a CrossFit certified. However, my certification, I was one of the very first ones when I felt CrossFit had a very good plan. They had a very good baseline. Nowadays, CrossFit is not what it used to be. That's for another show. I'm a certified biathlon individual. When I say biathlon, don't get it mixed up with the do-athlons, which are running and cycling. But the biathlon is like the winter sport of a cross-country skiing and shooting. And during the summer, another popular one is running and shooting. And then certain types of memberships that I have, which I find do have substances. The United States All-Round Strength Association, which is an organization as well as the International All-Round Strength Association, is an organization to hold on and promote the old-time strong man lifts. Some of the fellows that we were talking about, some of the incredible women of the era of a century ago that I posted on my page. I like that because it still has the nuts and bolts of really getting into all-round strength. Not just how much can you squat or how much can you deadlift or how much can you bench. But it really deals with the body holistically. And we touched on this earlier, that those early old-time strong men approached strength from a holistic standpoint. They dealt with angular strength. They want to develop strength from every possible angle because it was the fullness of the body, the natural movement of the body. So functional all-round functional everyday strength exists as opposed to what somebody told me that it was bullshit. It's real functional strength and doing circular from all angles is a very real thing. That's a huge, huge advantage for resistance bands. In fact, resistance bands are the only implement that trains the body in a true three-dimensional fashion. Wow. I'm impressed. Thank you for saying that. It is impressive. It is just absolutely phenomenal. And that's one of the reasons why I emphasize this in my training clients, training groups, whether it's working with SWAT, whether it's working with law enforcement, first responders, the military, as I mentioned, special forces, because their task is very three-dimensional. That is very different than a 100 meter swimmer. It's very different than an 800 meter swimmer. It's very different than an Olympic lifter. It's very different than a power lifter. It's very different than a bodybuilder. So the foundation has to be established. So that baseline develops to their particular needs. And everything with the bands supplies that. Now, it's not to say that these guys don't do deadlifts. They don't do squats. They don't do bench or bicep work. And as you know, you don't have to tell a guy to do bench press or work his bicep because every guy is going to do that anyway, whether it's in the program or not. So it's just a matter of a trainer or for myself to monitor that so it doesn't become dominant, a dominant force in training. And it takes away from the more important aspects to develop basically a 911 life-saving situation. And that's why three-dimensional training is so useful for those particular professionals. You should definitely put together a series of band workout DVDs, fitness band DVDs. I think it'll be fantastic. You're very qualified to do it. Thank you. Well, believe it or not, I used to do that a lot. But what happens is a lot of people would buy the DVDs and then they thought they didn't need me as a trainer. So from a business standpoint, there was a little bit of an issue there on finances. So I think it's, oh gosh, it's been maybe about five years now that I sold the last of my DVDs. And also on my Facebook page, occasionally you will see I will post a few different exercises using them. However, I do not go into depth because for those clients that are paying deserve to have all the information, deserve to have the best. I like to introduce people to using resistance bands and educating them. But if they want to take it to that next level, they hire me and they get to go to that next one. But you have the population in Kentucky and your region to have enough one-on-one clientele. Well, yes and no. That's another subject we could talk about later. You know what I mean? It's like you have a large organic farm, so you must be in a rural area. So maybe a source of income might have to be the DVDs. But unless somebody wants to fly you out and do seminars like some of these jabronis I know, one guy in California is getting, he asks for $130 a person to attend one of his workshops on swinging the mace. I mean, I think that's pretty expensive. But if people like that are actually getting clients to pay and attend a workshop and people are flying him out and putting him up in a hotel, my God, and he's not nearly as qualified with certifications and training as you are, and he's getting all this money per head for his workshops. I mean, you could very easily do band workshops with your bands, teaching band training, I mean fitness band training. I don't want people to think we're like heavy metal rock and roll. It's fitness band training and you bring extra bands to sell to the people at the workshop. Right. And now when we had our second home in Vegas, that's a heavily populated area. It was a lot easier to do that. Exactly what you're saying. Now I'm going to be getting back to doing that over the past five years. We've been really putting the focus in what we want for our food supply, what we've been providing for people, building the Primal Creations Private Buyer's Club, which is like a food co-op. It's different. So the focus changed a little bit, but I will be getting back into that where I will be doing the seminars and exactly what you said, taking the bands along with me and getting people reeducated. And you know, we could talk about that more often. I don't want to use this as a podium to sell my seminars at this point. But it's an idea. I mean, I mean, I mean, you absolutely. And I understand and I appreciate you mentioning that and bringing it up for your listeners. I mean, I could picture you discussing healthy eating and talking about what you do on your farm. And I know you sell certain products from your farm like honey. And then you can go into the bands and at the end of the seminar, you've got a whole load of bands and blah, blah, blah. And they fly, like I say, they fly you out like a famous professional wrestler that puts you up in a hotel, you do the workshop. And if somebody that has very, very little academic qualifications is making this much money per person and getting flown out, there's no reason why somebody like yourself or your caliber can't do it. The same thing. And I just want to mention, you know what I do with my bands? I hook, I've learned how to attach them to the Shenna board. And I do the Persian and the Hindu pushups with band assisted Shenna workout. And I've also learned to attach them to the abdominal wheel. So, you know, that Bob Backlin abdominal wheel thing, I hook the bands up to that too. So like you were saying before, the versatility of these bands is incredible. Yes, yeah. They're just absolutely amazing. And squats, for God's sake, let's say squats or whatever you want to call them, Hindu squats, you just wrap them over your shoulders and you do free handed squats. Yeah. You just put one end over your shoulders and the other end under your feet. And I have various sizes on my shoulders. So I am doing drop sets. I'm doing it. I'm going real heavy and I'll whip a couple of bands off my shoulder and I'll keep on squatting and then I'll whip another couple off my shoulder until I have no bands on my shoulder. Yeah. And I'm sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say the bands are so versatile that, you know, my grandchildren, before they were age five would use them. And my mother, you know, a bless her soul, she passed away last year at age 92, but she was using bands three weeks before her passing. And, you know, people think, you know, wait a second, you know, they see pictures of me and I'm using these monster bands and some exercises I'm using over 400 pounds of tension. And they think, well, gosh, I can't do that. But I have developed so many different sizes of bands and so many different resistance capabilities that anyone could use them. A lot of exercises, you know, my mother being in her early nineties at the time, I would just have her do the exercises in a chair. Sure. It's still do it. I mean, there are others where she'd be able to do it standing. But again, it's learning the appropriate application of the bands. I could picture you training major league baseball pitchers to do rotator cuff exercises with the bands. I mean, there's a huge potential. Right. And I have worked with some of the elite athletes. I've worked with some Olympic qualifiers and track and field and bands were a very integral part of that. I mean, I do want to say it's not to not to pat myself on the back, but anyone that I have ever introduced with with elite athletes who I have introduced with resistance bands improved performance. Now anyone could introduce bands to any athlete, but if not properly apply their performance does not go up. And that is a very important case aspect. If you take a top athlete who's already pretty much at the top of the game and you are able to improve that says something about the application. I mean, of course proper to me proper form not only means optimum results, but proper exercise form also equals safety. So you're getting optimal results and you're exercising safely. And I rather I rather emphasize perfect form over the amount of resistance any day. I mean, you can you can you can you can get more gains from a moderate thickness band using proper strict form than you could get in sloppy with a heavy duty band. Same thing with dumbbells and barbells, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, technique is always priority regardless of whether you're a high-end athlete, an adjusted or an everyday fitness person, rehab, prehab technique always needs to take priority. However, there are times when you get to the point where you've got to go a little beyond technique and you've got to execute a certain weight. You take a look at any top deadlift competitor. You know, the form looks really great. But when they get to that point where it's between these two guys who's going to win, basically technique goes out the window. Even though it's inherent in their biomotor patterns, it's now do or die. It's I'm going to grunt. I'm going to do whatever it takes. So sometimes they oh my gosh, how did that guy ever do that and not blow his back out with 800 pounds plus pulling that weight? Well, because winning is how they get paid. Yeah, exactly. And also they have had those years and several years of experience of properly training technique. So their body is able to accept something beyond that. Well, before we say goodbye, I want to tell you that I am particularly fascinated with doing more research on a talk about old time strongman. There was a guy by the last name of Zas. He was Russian. Yes. And he did isometrics using chains. Yes. I am very interested in finding out more about him. I never heard his name mentioned until this past year. And he was an old time strongman. He was Russian. I think it was during World War One and Zas. Z A S S I believe. Yes. I believe I have some information on him in one of my files. I'll double check that. I'll definitely get it to you. Yeah. Yeah. What I would like to do is just for those who are not familiar with me or familiar with my page, if they want to go to facebook.com slash steven.santangelo.75, they could go on my page. Check it out. It's a public page. If they like it, shoot me a friend request. If they want to contact me direct other than through Facebook messaging, they go to primalcreations at aol.com. And those two contacts are the best way to get ahold of me. I'm very open to communication. I emphasize communication with my clients and with anyone who wants. And if they want to purchase, let's say some of your organic wildflower honey or some of your bands, they can also do it by communication from those pages. That is correct. Every so often, about every three months, I run our top 12 selling products on the Facebook page. We go through PayPal right now. We no longer have a website. I closed my website about a year ago. We pretty much use social media. It's more effective. It's more efficient. PayPal also is considerably more secure than other methods. We have downsized and not respect to make it as simple for people as possible. You could very easily have a free Facebook promo page where people click like. Do you have one of those yet? No, haven't gotten around to that. We could talk about that as well. Yeah, just haven't gotten around to that. Yeah, life and I are very, very busy, you know, other than with our food supply for folks and what we do with our critters. You know, I do have the fitness business, the nutrition business, and of course my own training and competitions. So we just want to take things one step at a time. We used to be much, much bigger. Learn to downsize and prioritize. The reason why I mentioned the free Facebook promo page where people click like is because you can access those pages without signing into Facebook or even having a Facebook profile. The general public can go to the link and see everything on it like it was a web page. But if you want to open up somebody's profile, you have to log in to see it. That's the reason why I mentioned it. Yeah, we'll definitely talk about that. Sure. But anyway, I must go and I thank you profusely for being a guest on my show. I enjoyed it. And we will definitely do the series on other topics. And as you could see the background of the show people, those are examples of Stephen R. Santangelo's fitness bands of different sizes. And remember it's Stephen as an S-T-E-P-H-E-N, not V-E-N. I don't want people going S-T-E-V-E-N and not getting your page. I just want to thank you for mentioning that. Yeah. So anyway, thank you. And I will talk to you very soon, sir. Well, thank you for having me and you're very welcome and looking forward to more subjects to discuss. This was very invigorating. You're getting two very excitable, passionate, enthusiastic Italians together, man. It's like a whirlwind over here. That's right. Like a whirlwind. But we'll talk soon, all right, sir? All right, James. All right. Take care. Bye-bye. This has been a MegaLife 21 production.