 of Y2 for 4 Channel and Art Brian, so go on one on the hashtag growing the morning. Welcome back. This is the last conversation of the day. And as always, let us know where you're watching us from. We'll definitely be glad to sample your feedback and get to interact with you. We have asked you a question on our socials. We are talking about connections. Zimewai Kukseidea, Amahauna, any by the way. Tell us, do you have them? Like I said in the intro, have you ever managed to get into a project, a job successfully? Was it through our connection? Someone who knew, someone who knew, someone. Definitely, that's the conversation of the day right now. And I'm being joined live by Colin Mogo. He's a law student. I'm not going to mention the university. We're not advertising. And Steve Misango, he's also a law student in Karibu, Nisana. Steve, you've been here before. And good to see you again, Karibu Sana. But let me start with you, Colin. When it comes to connections, there's just something about connections, especially in this day and age. Even when it comes to history as a corporate, a lot of people just think you finish university, graduate, get your CV, get your certificate. And then all of a sudden, you're employed. But you know, you need somebody to tell somebody about you before they get to know you. So for you personally, have you had any experiences so far that have given you connections? Thank you, Fako. To begin with, I would actually like to give you statistics. In Kenya, the employment rate is at around 3 million. That is from the statistics given by the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics. And more than half, 1.6 million of the unemployed are youths. That means that youths have to find a way to get jobs away from the conventional way of getting jobs. Coming back to the question about social capital and connections, I can tell you for a fact that connections are what most people use to get jobs. Personally, I would say that most of the jobs that I have gotten so far, 90% of them are through people who talk to people who had the projects or who had the jobs and not necessarily through applying, you know, using the common portals. So I think with the current unemployment rate, I think Vasatele youths have to find ways of navigating these landscapes. That is through using their social capital, through friends, through teachers and tutors, you know, through friends of their friends. I think that is... Right, right. You're a law student as well. Have you had a chance to network and interact? Because I believe the biggest place where some of these connections happen are in the networking space. Have you had that chance? Yes, absolutely. I have had that chance. To begin with, you know, my university, the University of Nairobi, is actually one of the universities that has the most events. And as one person who is running for the University of Nairobi presidency, I think that's something that you're going to reinforce to ensure that our youths, you know, students, you know, access these opportunities. Because events, student-driven events and events organized by universities are actually what exposes students to the corporate, even people who can, you know, give them projects. For instance, as a law student, I have had the pleasure of attending so many events. And I can tell you for a fact that these opportunities to attend events are what gives us opportunities to network with corporates. Because sometimes, you know, when you approach these people through social media platforms, they seem like you're just any other person. But from an event, you have that one-on-one interaction, that personal interaction, which is very important. All right, I'll come back to you and maybe you'll tell us maybe some of the successful ones that you had and what did they amount to, Steve? How's the experience of a, and maybe if you were to point out the nitty gritties before we get to the youth, but at large, have you had any connections that have helped you to get somewhere? Yes, I have so many. And actually, connections are what our youths need right now in this world, in our generation. Because I don't know what you have said. For example, if you want to approach a company, you'll actually, I needed to write an email to them and before they reply back to you, it takes a lot of time. But when you have someone there, he or she will facilitate the process and that's what connection is all about. And to add on that, connection is where I am here right now. Oh, nice, that's a good one. Connections is where you're here, I love it. But maybe let's get to the nitty gritty of it, like Lespin point. What is a connection really? What exactly is it? Okay, a connection basically to me is like, you know someone somewhere who can, let's say, offer you something, I'm a facilitate you something faster. Yeah, that's what I can say for you. Your definition of it, before you tell us the successful events, you had two connections? Yeah. So, you know, the topic about, you know, this discussion is around social capital. And I think social capital is, you know, the civilized word of connection. Because when you mention connection, sounds like a negative connotation. Yeah, yeah, but I think connection is actually the personal relationships that you build with people. Yeah, for example, if, you know, for example, people think that a connection must be somebody big, maybe the co-operator in the political world. But you might find- Actually, that's what comes to people's minds. Yeah, but I think and I believe connection is actually even from the, you know, from the close friends of SACO that you have, that is your connection. And you might actually get a job and even a project from those friends just by, you know, bringing in meaningful conversations. Right, yeah. But you know, sometimes, especially, there's somebody who told me a mentor, you don't choose a mentor, the mentor chooses you. So, for example, you want somebody to mentor you. Yeah. And like you mentioned, you must go and interact, let them know you or you know them. I don't know who is preaching the other to the other. Is it the mentor preaching you to the mentor, preaching the mentee or mentee, preaching the mentor? You know, there's a confusion in that. But let's say, for example, you want to start at that journey of mentorship. Should you make yourself known to the other person fast or maybe you should have a brand that already exists and maybe you have something like a card, so you're giving them the card and then they'll get to know you in that space of interaction so that they get, you know, you get to connect and let, like you've said, it's usually a conversation about the corporate. Yes. But sometimes it's just even having a good neighbor who can help you in times of need. I remember at the beginning of the year, we were having a conversation, we were saying, now that a lot of people are saying January and they're using the word in January, it's going to be hard. It's good to know your neighbor so that the day you don't have onga water, cooking oil, you know, can they help you out? That's a connection to me. Yeah. Yeah, and I would actually like to phrase, you know, this whole discussion around, you know, two levels, yeah? You have the connections that you have with your friends. Those are like, you know, the most basic connections which you ought to have. And secondly, you have the connections that you, you know, look from other people. For example, who are much older and are doing well than you, because I saw a quote that, you know, if your circle is not inspiring you, then it is a cage. So I believe that in the, you know, in the aspect of looking for a mentor, I think one thing that mentors look for is dedication. Like you really have to be really interested in what they are doing. You know, most of the time, people would like to hear that you are, you know, you know them, you know what they are doing. I think that is one of the most grave mistakes that you would make when looking for connection. They just approach anybody and tell them, hey, I'm this person, I would like a job or I'd like to mentor you, I'd like you to mentor me. But I think one of the most important things that youths have to do while approaching somebody, especially those who are doing well, is they have to show real interest. For example, if I meet a lawyer and he's doing one of the big cases in Kenya, in approaching him to make him my mentor or how my mentor, I'll have to of course phrase and tell them, hey, I'm interested in what you're doing. I see you're doing this and that. I think that actually pacifies the conversation and they are more willing to mentor and guide you because they see there is an interest that you have and they cannot have that. Yeah, but first of all, it must be a connection because like you said, you can't just preach yourself to a stranger, hi, blah, blah, blah, I'm a lawyer, so what? We have a billion lawyers in the world, right? Yeah, so I think the connection starts first. But then you told me you must introduce yourself to this mentor. Yes. I'm wondering if they tell you no, what is the worst that can happen then? You move on to the next, but let me divide that to Steve. You're also a lawyer, young lawyer, or rather still at school, anyways. Maybe you want to get to a space where you want to interact with people like Dan Stan or Marie, who are the most known lawyers in Kenya. Who else? Who else? Honorable Edwin Sifuna. Exactly, I had forgotten he's a lawyer. For example, you want to get to interact with such people, you met them. So do you pitch yourself to them? You have to do something so that they get to notice you, so that you guys connect, and he gets to know you more. Okay, first and foremost, connection through meeting someone physically is actually the most important rather than on social media platforms. All right, who do you prefer? Physical. Yeah, physical, because in physical, you'll get to introduce yourself, you'll get to say your brand, because me, as I'm seated right here, I'm a brand of my own, so you get to bring that brand to the mentor who you're talking to. And yeah, yeah. So you should prefer you go meet them at an event? Yeah, at an event rather than on social media. But there's people who are having just a bad day. You know, you might be seeing someone on TV or beat a lawyer like you said, Edwin Sifuna, and you go tell them, hey, I want you to be my mentor. And then he can give you a response of a decade. Yeah, true. So how do you strike a balance between somebody who's having a bad day, but yet you want to connect with them and let them know about you, but there's just so many layers, so many barriers. But also maybe sometimes the barriers is because of you and you just have no idea the energy you have in between. So how do you break that glass ceiling and then finally get to them? Now that you guys are young and they are still in compost, maybe you can pinpoint some of the nitty gritty things that you guys maybe are doing already or will do so that you get to that board. What I can just say is how you present yourself. You see, someone can just talk inside here and how he or she presents himself will matter to the mentor. So may I just say how you present yourself and how you talk to that mentor matters a lot. Yeah, whatever you call it. Thank you. And I actually really want to add on what you have said that beside the point of presenting yourself in a very good manner, sometimes you can also use strategies like asking people who might be closer to the mentor to talk to them about you. But most importantly is how you present yourself. And I have to insist on speaking about what are your dreams, what are your visions? These people really want to hear about your dreams and your visions and how they can play a role. So I think you have to be, there must be clarity of mind when meeting mentors and people who are possible mentors. I want us to get down to that part before we move to a different dynamic. For example, now you become a lawyer. And I don't know, maybe you guys go to, you're done with where you are and then you go to KSL and then finally you get admitted at the bar after that experience. So for example, if you'll be at that position where you're being admired by a lot of young lawyers and they're looking up to you and they want to come and connect with you and tell you things, maybe some of the things you'll be looking at before you say yes or this one is a no for me. Okay, yeah. I think that's a really practical question because I have personally seen it even as students when we network with high-profile people. Sometimes they may be overwhelmed and that's a very important fact to consider. So personally, if I would be in a position, just a matter of time, and I'll be a lawyer, that is, I would actually use a strategy of looking for people who are interested in being mentored by me. But most importantly, just introduce a program where I give these people small tasks and then you can identify the students or the young people that are willing to be mentored and run away with them. And I think that is one of the strategies that I have seen with one of my lecturers because so many students want to be mentored but not so many want to put in the work. So I think- You mentioned presentation on that one. Yes, yes, yes. Real matters, I believe. Exactly. So when you're given a task to work on, you have to be really diligent in it and that actually communicates something and that is the willingness to succeed. And even the interest and the passion to succeed in this context, in the legal career. But most importantly, because I believe this discussion is cutting across all you see in Kenya, I believe someone can get a really good mentor by putting in the work, notwithstanding their career trajectory. Yeah, that putting in work parts, you made me remember, being told work hard, but you're not sure how to work hard, right? But we'll talk about that later as we finish on that part. Maybe what are some of the things you've been looking at before you say, yes, I can welcome to my club. Yeah, yeah. So first and foremost, I'm actually at your person of an organization called Legal Minds. Right. And- What happens there? Illegal Minds, we actually mentor- Illegal or legal? Legal. Or legal. Legal Minds, we actually mentor young people on how to debate our mental health. There's something in law we call moating. And actually, you see, everyone has a potential. So when people come to you, someone may be bad, but when you mentor them, they'll actually change. So me, I won't be focusing on how you present yourself, but I want to- You'll overlook it. Yeah, yeah. And be like, you'll have something, right? Yeah, yeah, because I want, you see the point of mentoring someone is actually to change someone from how you found them. Yeah, so that's my goal. All right, interesting, fantastic. Now let's make it more lighter. Relationships. Relationships, have you guys ever heard of a story? Somebody said, Hey, I'm going to introduce you to a woman, and she's not dead yet. She's not dead yet. She's not dead yet. She's not dead yet. She's not dead yet. She's not dead yet. She's not dead yet. Is it possible for a connection to lead to a meaningful relationship that can lead to a marriage and does it work, especially in this day and age we're living, knowing someone who knows someone who's good and then it clicks. And then finally it becomes happily ever after. Do you believe it works? Yeah, for me, I believe it works because currently I'm dating, and the person I'm dating, it was through a connection. Yeah. Ooh, yeah. You just dropped bullets. So I believe it works, yeah. So how was it? Just for us, the picture of it, need to gritties. What happened? Who was it? Da, da, da, da. So I had a friend, a girlfriend, who referred me to her friend. And we started talking all of a sudden and what we call in university, talking stage. So after talking stage, we decided to date, yeah. And it's working. Yeah, it's flourishing. Yeah. That's a good example. What about you? Do you believe that connections, you know someone knows someone, someone knows someone, someone, they change because then finally, you get linked up to a very beautiful person and finally it's happily ever after. Well, I think that's very obvious, yeah. Because I don't know whether, maybe our generation is a bit different, but from the stories that I hear, even from our parents, even those, you know, guys who are advanced in age, you will hear that most of them, in terms of the relationships that they have, like, you know, a wife and a husband, most of them met through events or through friends. You know, I mean, that point cannot be overstated. In fact, most relationships are, you know, people meeting such events and it is through their friends and the friends of friends. Yeah. You see another example of Mali-Safi and the change, change, change, change. Yeah. Yeah. It's not that example like, you knew this person, knows this one, knows this one, you can call it a cycle. I think it's a love triangle or something. Well, I think there is that. But I think, you know, in the common sense, you want to get into a relationship with somebody, you know, whether or not they were dating, your friends is another business. But I think the most important thing is, you know, you date somebody, you know, yeah. All right, let me give you another interesting perspective. There's some of those, I think it was last year about one, I was at an event and they were serving food. And it looked like I was joining a cook Haiku Fiki. I swear to the universe, Haiku Fiki. So unless you know this guy at Ongena, who knew Ongena, like three other people and then food it up, Fiki, at two, then you go pop! The rest, what are your reviews, Asa? So in terms of now making it more lighthearted, when it comes to even our normal inter, intra is individual, interpersonal relationships, sometimes before you make it to some certain spaces, even to the stupidest of the stupidest thing, that's about at least to me, I don't know. Like, you can go to a Fiki, Haiku Fiki. So do you feel like maybe it's a bad thing? Or do you want to go to a bar and say, I want to go to a chef, I want to go to a mother, I want to serve food. I want to skew line at the rest of the Fiki. I want to go to a job and cook. Yeah. So, well, that's a very interesting, you know, situation around there. And that is now how we get to, you know, the morality of things to do with connection. Sometimes connections seem like you're depraving off opportunities for others. So, well, I think that is a point that we, you know, we could look in both ways. It is good to somebody else, it's bad for somebody else, but I think sometimes it's so important to consider or put in mind, put into consideration, you know, the neighbor who is next to you. Because, you know, for example, if you're speaking, if you're skipping the line, for example, now in such an event, for example, in a wedding, you know the cook. Well, you're speaking. Or even maybe the cook is your mom, your auntie. Exactly. Or even your grandma. There's a way that, you know, when I told my mom, especially when it's a chance, they have a way of shoving things. Yeah. And I think now in that situation, you might actually be losing a very good connection, you know, by trying to find means, because you know somebody, you know, You're trying to cut corners, so I think while looking for connection, it's always important to be very ethical. You don't cut corners or you don't injure people, don't make people feel bad. So I think it brings about a point of being just reasonable because, you know, in trying to get something, you must also consider your neighbor. And that neighbor might actually be your next connection. Do you even really consider that? You're like me with any punty, that's it. You don't even care about the next person breathing next to you. Yeah, I think that is... It's like a Kenyan thing. I don't know if you've seen those memes, Kenyan memes. Steve, have you seen these memes that talk about Omaonaiyo Video Amahona Connection? Yeah, yeah. Do you see that? Yeah, yeah. It means that if you're not in that web, in that community of people that are aware of that, definitely not get to see it. True. So what it means to you, though? Okay, for me, it means, for example, if you don't know the people who create those memes ETC, the meme won't reach you in time, like after people have already seen the meme, around one month, then it reaches you. So it means you don't have that connection, Omaonaiyo not in that group of people who make those memes. Yeah. So the flavor of a meme is, it could be careless, when somebody is telling you and you have the opportunity to laugh it out loud, as compared to like seeing it. Also, but there's also the joy and the flavor of seeing it for the first time. Yeah. Anyways, that's according to me, though. All right. Okay, for me, I think seeing a meme first is actually good for me because when you sit with your friends, they start seeing something, you'll like be the odd one out there. All right. Yeah. Which is a good thing. Last, last. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Story for another day. Yeah. Now, still on the relationship part, like I mentioned, story of Malisafi and the chain, chain, chain. But, you know, you can be having very crazy relationships and connections that are leading you to just, you know, in a ditch each and all the time. Do you feel like sometimes you should filter out this network of people that you are connecting with, in terms of where it's a good job, it has a good relationship, like we've said, it has a good connection, it has a good image. He wants to go outside the country in Kenya, apparently. I don't know. What's the joy of being outside country, but you know, we had a guest here, he's told us a good experience and also the upside and the downside of it. So, is it good to filter sometimes? Yeah, it's good. Maybe what is the template you can use to filter out, you're on my team or you're not. I don't know if it's also a good thing or a bad thing. Okay. I'll first use an example, the speaker was actually here, talked about good football, and in football, there's always the starting eleven. So for example, you have a connection with the coach and you're not actually a good player. Sometimes you'll be starting the game, but someone who is a good footballer, but like doesn't have that connection with the coach, won't be starting a game. So in fact, this guy is now the star, and the one who is fourth, the skater is now the star. Connections, you see? Yeah, connections all the way. So basically for me, I think, for connections, you'll actually have to filter. Like you see the ones which will help you, like build your own brand, etc. Yeah. In this day and age, let's go back to the story of Pata Job. I believe everyone who's graduating somewhere, you either have a mindset of starting your own company and employing yourself business-wise whatever, entrepreneurship, the journey, or you want to be employed at a company. So you'll definitely, like you guys are in low and low, it takes a lot of years to climb up the ladder. If you get admitted to the bar, become an advocate, and many other professions that you guys become. So for a person who believes that they'll definitely get a job, or maybe let me give an interesting example. In the media space, they usually do a lot of auditions before they consider you for any sport. Sometimes they do, but sometimes it's a connection. Like you are in another station, they know you are excellent, you are definitely coming here. So your name sells you and your work. But sometimes they do auditions, so they filter out. And then there could be people who have so much potential. They have the skill, they sound the part, they look the part, but they will not be picked. And somebody just out of the blues that maybe the master's never expected. You see them saying, good morning to you, welcome to the show, and you're like, Jesus, what is this? Come here, this guy had connections. They were auditioning just for publicity, but behind the scenes, in fact, he was already at the company already one month. They're just putting out a publicity to ensure that, you know, everybody knows of this job. So do you feel like in this day and age, sometimes connections can't work sometimes, but they also work at the same time? Yeah, and just to go back to a back track on what you said, that whenever you're graduating, there are two options. It's either you start your business or you get into employment. Interesting enough, both situations require, you know, connection. Because, for example, let's take an instance whereby somebody wants to start a business. Too many, it would seem like this person doesn't need connection. But you realize that when you're starting a business, one, you need the starting capital. The capital, you might actually not have it. So you need your networks, say your parents, your mentors, who are going to give you the capital. It is very important. Bank loans. Exactly. Bank loans and sometimes you might not even have a good credit rating, so to say. So you might need help from friends and family. Secondly, you might also need clients. And these clients come from your friends or the friends of your friends, which is very important. When you're employed, when you choose to get into employment, again, sometimes you may need connection. Even in the initial stages, you might not use connection to get that job. But you realize that sometimes companies may not even advertise in their portals that they are recruiting employees. Might actually be somebody who is inside the company, who might actually call for applications by asking their friends, hey, do you know a young lady or a young man who can do this really well? And that is now where personal relationships come in. And that is what we call connection. So back to your point that connections might work. Sometimes they might not work. But I think the overriding objective for every young person should be actually to build very strong social capital, build relationships so that even after interacting with somebody, when someone is living there, that's a really good young man or a really good young lady. And you never know who gets the opportunities. And once a person might get an opportunity, they might actually remember, oh, there was this young lady or this young man I met, and he was doing something which is almost similar to what I have gotten. So they might refer you. So I think the point here should be actually being open-minded. Because there can be a lot of possibilities of anything happening. Let me come back to you, Steve. Do you feel like in terms of when we stay in parts of connection, sometimes there's people who innocently just lose it? Maybe they'll never get it because they waited and trusted the process and they had to go through the system of, they want to tell us for the job. Let me just send my CV to the email. As compared to let me walk to the company and pitch myself physically now that they have announced there's a job opportunity or a job entry. You feel like there's people who will innocently not get the opportunity because this person had an upper hand or a third eye in seeing the opportunity as compared to you who's outside. You waited, you sent your CVs, no response. And maybe you are the best fit candidate for the opportunity as well. OK, I'll actually use an example. For me, actually when I joined first year, you see when you want to go, let's say, to the parliament, you need to write an email. And actually, if you don't have someone there that email might do. How do you write the email too? The clock. All right. The national assembly. National assembly. And they get to approve it. So basically, if you don't have someone there, you will wait for that reply for ages. But I know someone there, the assistant clock. So we applied to go to parliament. And actually, it just took one day. And we got a reply back. So basically, what I can say, connection is everything. And what can make a connection fail, basically? You see, what the mistake people do outside here is the connections people look for, these big connections. Like, I need to know an MP. I need to know a governor. But if you look for connection, it's just what he just said here, like your neighbor, your friend. Those are the things that matter. Oh, see, there's more joy on your waist. The music has to be self. You can still sell. So to add on what you said, like, if there's a job opportunity posted somewhere, and you apply everything, like the CV, you send an email, you sit there just waiting for a reply from them. It will take time. But if there's someone who has gone there, presented themselves physically, they'll actually have the upper hand to get that job. OK. What happens to a person in Maniana say, man, there's no connections. I just do what I want to do. I just do what I want to do. You know, it's always like that. I just do what I want to do. I just do what I want to do. But maybe you were just to present yourself like you're saying, and boom, do you hack it? Yeah, yeah. So what happens to this person? And what should they be doing, maybe? Are they behind schedule? Are they lost? Do they need to do something? OK, for me, I can say I'll also use another example. You see, even when you're traveling, when you're sitting in a Matatu or a bus, you can't know the person you're sitting next to. Actually, there was a time I was sitting next to a lawyer, and I didn't know. I actually knew the moment I was actually boarding the bus. So what I can say is people always have this fear of socializing and working. So basically, people have fear. They don't have the confidence. Our confidence? Yeah. Or their confidence is a resort. Yeah, so like when you see someone there, you don't know how you'll start, or how you'll present yourself. So basically, what I can say is, as youth, we should actually know on how to present ourselves to someone. Because in this generation, it's just connections. You made me remember. You're walking on the street, and you made someone who knows you. They'll be like, ah, this Suran shey, you're on a male. But also the design and the style of approach and how they're saying it can be so annoying or really welcoming. But then there's just people who are easy breezy. The moment they say, hi, you're clicking. I don't know if you guys have worked with someone, and you're like, no, don't even pronounce, we'll see Peter Tamberlangu, because already it's already a bad day. I'm just giving an example. Not that it's happening here. It's not, hey, bro, we are in heaven, Cloud Night. But for example, like I've given you for a person who doesn't have these connections, I make a tour of Puevo. Me, Siddi, and Tafanyanimi. Is it possible they exist, such people? I do at Tafanyanimi. Maybe I know you too, like a little bit of razzmata, somebody to just, bro, you need to wake up. You need to do one, two, three. But Hannah will come to her to show how to go that route. Yeah, they do exist, that I must say. And you know, as young people, we really have a very big advantage, because we are in the age of the digital era. So to say, we have social media. And just to use an example, like Steve is using, you know, this guy who got a first-class owner in, I think, Bicom from Masaimara University. And this guy, a blogger on Twitter, actually posted his video, because this guy just created a video, told his audience that, you know, I graduated with a first-class. I also did a CPA, I was among the best students. I think he saw the video, and he has several certificates. Absolutely. A short montage, just explaining. Yeah, and you see that that's a very creative way to even get a network, because you can actually use your social media platforms to look for networks. And somebody might see it, and they might be interested, and they might repost, you know, you might find a big-shot blogger, or even someone who is in the corporate space, or even in the political space. And they might see it, and they might actually see that, you know, you are a young man or a young lady trying to succeed. And they might actually be interested in helping you out. So I think you have to utilize all the channels and all the means that you have. We also have another channel called, it's an app called LinkedIn. Yeah, LinkedIn. LinkedIn. Yeah, LinkedIn. I know, yeah. I know most of the youths are, quote-unquote, fear. Gen Z's. Yeah. I had a, now that you've brought it up, I had a conversation on a podcast, I think in a podcast, like in a Quambox, in a Kerry Martin, they were talking about, Gen Z's go to LinkedIn to hook up, not to network. But they're finding lovers on LinkedIn. But for us, way, way back, it's a place where you're applying a job via LinkedIn. Personally, I've gotten a gig via LinkedIn, like I sent the application via my page by just sending the profile, and I was called for it. So I can imagine now, if Gen Z's getting a relationship on LinkedIn, like, hi, that's interesting. Yeah, well, I think that's a very interesting, you know, discussion, because I know there are so many youths who have actually utilized LinkedIn to get jobs and connection. Because one thing about LinkedIn is that it uses analytics. So when you feature, maybe your profile, you know, using certain keywords, for example, you're interested in media, or interested in law, or interested in, for example, economics, you're interested in tax. That actually, and the LinkedIn analytics will actually bring you people who are doing almost similar things and you may connect with them and, you know, they might see you are interested in this field and then you might approach a conversation and then make it friendly, make it slow. I know young people also want quick things because of also the, you know, that the thing with social media makes you expect things in a really quick manner. But I think one thing that you also have to do while you're connecting with people on LinkedIn or any other social media platform is that you have to be patient. You have to be patient in building a relationship so it can be, you know, a give-take relationship or a win-win relationship. Yeah. I believe in building capacity because anyone who holds a very meaningful position, they have the capacity to. Yeah. Right, so maybe like you said, maybe a lot of young people do not, maybe some of them have not yet built the capacity, but they want to go viral very fast. But also going viral and capacity, I think they don't go in tandem. Yeah. Like you can go viral for anything. Yeah, depending on how the algorithm just picks it up. Yeah. But anyway, story for another day. Let's delve to the people called Shago. For example, somebody graduated like five years ago, a cocoa in the interiors, and maybe they definitely have never had this conversation, you know, networking. They even don't know what to do. I'll divert it to you, Steve. What can they do? And then also you realize, there are so many barriers that they've experienced. Some of them, so many things holding them back and sometimes they're not aware. I believe awareness is, the first thing to snap out of a disaster is awareness and what to do next. Whether to stay still or do something to snap out of it, even if it's not faster. So if for somebody who has no skills, no tools of navigating, building capacity, and maybe walking out of that dark pit before they get out here and get to connect and get these good things, we are talking about here on TV, what can they do? Oh, Shago and Danny, you can imagine the interiors of the interiors, yeah. So what to believe they can do actually, you see first and foremost, and I'll use this example, when you enter into the university, all you think about is just doing my exams and getting a first class on us, but you don't think about interacting. You see when you can be seated with someone who let's say is prominent somewhere else and you don't know, you just, what you ask is their name and that's it. So for the people who are there in a country and in those universities, their lecturers actually can even be the connection they are looking for because what I know, the lecturers we have, they have let's say three or two jobs they are doing, so they basically know people or even they can actually talk to their cousins, ATC, yeah. Yeah, I've heard of stories where, somebody just finished school and it's done like you were to finish school and present their papers on the table and be thanks to that amount for taking me to school, but me I just wanted to chill. Is it possible like somebody can be that lazy? Maybe it's a disease, because I can't even fathom. You can go to uni, like you guys have gone for over six years or five or whatever the amount of time and you finish and you present the papers, then you sit back and you fold your arms and just watch things fall apart. Is it possible to have youths that are experiencing that or they're just going through seasons in life where they don't want to do anything or it's just whatever, I don't care. I'm done, thanks, that's it. And what can they do or what can be done to them? I believe beatings can help, even if it's not like in your own use and the rest or prayers, because I can only imagine like you guys, you've been to school for over five years and then you're done and you sit back and fold your arms and watch everything unfold, it goes out. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we have such youths and I think the approach that we should actually take is to hold their hand and that is where the point of mentorship comes in. Now, in the context of the rule of setting, you might imagine that in the rule of setting we don't have, sometimes we might lack even network or Wi-Fi to connect these people to the outside world. I think in the rule of setting, we also have very organized systems and structures that can actually help them. If they feel they're allergic, they can actually get into even their churches where we have mentorship programs or even counseling programs. So those are very important social structures that exist to support these young people because sometimes somebody might have finished school but they feel very tired or they did a course that they were not very enthusiastic about it. Or they were forced to. Or they were forced to. They wanted to be a DJ, but they were forced to be a lawyer. The torture, the trauma, oh Jesus. I can only imagine. You want it to be a DJ when a DJ in school and then you're forced into law school and you have to keep up with the torture. So I think for such a person, they might actually rely on the existing social structures like church or even groups, like friend groups. Maybe they're not compatible. They don't want nothing to do with that. You know, there's young people that are just irritable. Like, everything is just a trigger. Makes them sad, depressed, all those things. We say, oh, I'm depressed, I'm sad, da-da-da-da-da. So, and as I said, I can't do it for you. I won't be too, I believe. That's the last resolution. Yeah. And that's a very difficult situation because for you to change, you have to be willing to, you know, change entirely. You know, for an external party to come and help you, you have to be very willing in your mind and in your heart that you really want to change. So I think that's a very difficult situation. And it's happening. You ask here, and they even say, You know, it's happening in Roshago. Stories are like real movies. In fact, Netflix should visit these interior places. Stories are. I don't know if you guys have heard of such stories. They say, if a family truck is a graduate, something happens. So I don't know, could be generational or just maybe it's a mental thing. Or maybe, like you said, they should go to church and visit. Those social structures that exist. We have like so many problems that even youths back in the rural area face. We have, for example, drug abuse. You remember the case where, I think, quite a number of people died in Kirinaga. Yes. Due to illicit bruise. So I think such challenges exist and that is why we have now other structures like even the government to come in and, you know, play a part to ensure that, you know, our youth do not capsize and destroy their lives at such an early age. Absolutely. I believe that. I believe that, still. You guys are still in campus, anyways, from the setting and the experience and just the energy. For me, I used to observe a lot of people in campus. There's a place I used to sit and just observe because I used to be on radio anyways. So I used to just observe people in Kuanawana. Between Unismat, they used to work together, or to Kuanawana TV, they used to work together, or to a radio. It was like people working in communities. And there's those people who are lonely. Somebody is walking along all day, every day. And then you realize they also miss out on a lot of events. You know, I used to go to Kuanawana fresh as night. Something happened. Yeah, I used to come up, story, cinema. From what you guys have observed in campus, what do you think breaks the bridge or breaks brings a difference between somebody who's social, bubbly and loud and out there? And a person who's just chilled and nonchalant and it's just about them and their world. Like they're lost into this bubble of oblivion and nothing literally excites them. And there's nothing you can do about it, by the way. Yeah. So I'll start. I joined university, actually. I didn't know anyone in that university, actually. So the first time during the orientation, I met someone. So there's someone I met introduced me to someone. So by the end of the orientation, I knew seven people. And actually, the good thing about networking and knowing so many people, it will make you know, like you'll be aware of everything that is happening. You'll know if there's events, ETC. But when you're actually lonely, you won't know people, actually. Like you won't know everything that is happening in school. And something we call like class in my bounds. You'll just come to school and you actually don't know that there's no class that day. So what I can say, actually, is university can actually, during the first days of orientation, the first years, they can actually hold a public speaking about the importance of networking. You see, networking is not about the big people. You can actually network with the students I'm a theater student at Patakaz. I remember the guest at Palaesama finding your tribe. I liked that part because I'm a reader. Finding a community of people that you identify with and just joining it, it already makes you a powerful person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think, what have you observed from your campus? What sets students apart? Those that are out and about and those that, I think the word is seclusion. Like you secluded yourself from the rest of the team. So your team, your team me, you know what I'm trying to say, it's team me or me. It's you riding solo all day, every day. But I also believe, there's a quote you mentioned, the word lonely, there's a quote that I said, being alone does not mean you are lonely. Being alone does not mean you're lonely. Just means you're on a journey. I don't know the journey, I don't imagine, but I tend to hold on to that part. Like being alone does not mean you're lonely, right? I think it's also from a lyric from an R&B star. But oh, from what you've observed, what do you think sets apart students that are all out and those that have secluded themselves? Yeah, and I liked first that Steve mentioned about finding your tribe. I was reading a book. It's actually the guest who was here before. Yeah, absolutely, and overstated by Steve. So I have read this book called The Tribe of Mentors by Tim Ferriss. And he actually emphasized their stories that have been put together through interviews and people are talking how they've succeeded and most of them actually mentioned finding your own tribal, the people that believe in you. Now back to your question. We do have students who are like that. And you know, in my interaction with students in school because some find me very extroverted and very outgoing. And they always ask me, oh, how do you become these outgoing? How do you become, you know, somebody who is always talking to people and talking to people. But I think based on our personalities, everything can work out for you, whether you are introverted or you're extroverted. I think... If you find a team or a community that identifies with you. Yeah, because definitely, even the people who are silent and who appear to be quote and quote lonely might not actually be lonely. In fact, they're having fun. They're having a ball or a nigger. They are partying. So the most important thing for me is just to find your tribe. You know, in campus, you know, the word is crew. Find your crew. Yeah, I'm a click, click young. Or click. They might actually help you. You want to find jobs to even find relationships, such. Yeah, and... Even just easing your time when you're opening up, you know. When we were in campus, there's people who were starving, to be honest. I'm too hung up as a lunch. I'm a hung up as a supper. And the rest are even breakfast. But if you're friends with somebody who has money, trust me. I've been through campus and I know you can eat well if you're out or reasonable. If you're not hungry, come on out. So I think it's a double-edged sword that cuts on both sides, right? Yeah. And also a lot of people maybe think it's just, you know, in Algerian people maybe die in a cart or something. Now that we have these conspiracy theories and so many things happening. Also, it could be even from family. You're told, Menda University, you see, join, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But maybe they're just people like you. You have to never think. But also now, how do you beat this demon out of this person who has this mindset? I'm using it as your fame, yeah. Anyway, beating the demon. So how do you beat the demon out of this person a very strong belief system that interacting with some certain people will, now if you make it religious, so to say, ah, it hadn't found you in the hell, so do it, it haven't found progress yet. And some of these beliefs are so strong that you can't even convince this person there's possibility of bigger, greater, grander things away from what you've known, what you've learned, like breaking out of that shell will take you ages. But sometimes it's a journey, I believe. So how do you help such a comrade? Like how, yeah, you're not joined on a journey here, I'm on here. Okay, what I'll say actually is you tell, you give the comrade an example of someone who has been successful, but it has not come from the things like, let's say they were worshiping ETC, but it's something that is real. Yeah, that's what I can say. You just give an example. And you see changing someone's mind is something difficult. But after you've given the example, like they'll start changing a little bit. That can be really hard for me though. I'm just saying, yeah, what do you think? Yeah, that's a very important discussion actually. And you're mentioning even about comrades who are suffering through lack of even finances. You know, it's very interesting. And it's a thing, you guys call it quenama, right? Quenama, I know it. And it's very interesting that you're holding this discussion because even as I am running for, you know, the invalidity of Nairobi presidential seat, one of my thematic areas is to actually look at student welfare and mental health issues because the issues that you're discussing around here on student welfare, how are students, are they fearing well in school, in their campuses with regards to food, water, basic sanitation, you know, that's one thing that we're really passionate about and we have to look at it. And secondly is mental health. Mental health, you know, there are people who are existing, but they are not existing, they're just there because of issues to do with mental challenges just because of very difficult situations. And I think that's something that we're going to do to just establish and come up with mental health structures and mentorship structures that actually uplift these students from their base that they are in, just become responsible students who can go out there, look for opportunities and even succeed in believing the beauty of their dreams. Actually getting a comrade to open up is, I think they should have a tutorial on Netflix or YouTube brother because I can only imagine, this guy I'm telling you, he's been starving, he doesn't have a good relationship with the dad. And I think, I asked several guys when you were still in campus, most Mabui Child Wengi, they're not in a good relationship with their dads, mostly either, I didn't want to go to university, fight your amount. But this guy needs mentorship, he still needs advice, he still needs financial support, he still needs even a word of encouragement. But they didn't give you the tools, at least they've given you the tools, they have demonstrated to you how to fight, you can pick up the fight, I believe in that, a thousand percent. For me, my kid will never be that kid that goes to campus and they are calling, they need 10K and I'm like, no, you're a man, no, you're still my baby until you're 40. Yeah, and you know you mentioned the point about just comrades having good relationship with their parents, especially their dads, and I remember something I was watching, they say that a man has three stages or three relationships with their dad, depending on their age, so you have the point, your dad is your hero, then after you grow up, then your dad is your villain, although that does not happen for everybody, I'm just talking about what I saw, because it's very different. But so many Bui Child Wengi are your villain. Even who are older and they are done with campus, they're even working, some of them are not talking to their dads at all, because of their betrayal, it started with your dad. So, and then the final part is the humanizing part, somebody just remembers that, oh, my dad is human. Yeah, it's not perfect. You've grown through everything, like you've seen all the worst. Absolutely. Now you're calling yourself for a meeting, you're like, ah, there's a human being also, like we're going through our stage, but I believe it will take you time to come to that realization because also when you look at the mindset of an 18 to, let's see, 25 year old man, gentleman rather, there's so many facets of you that are underdeveloped. Experiences, your experiences are still low, capacity is still low, wisdom is still low, relationship are normal, you're dating, but you're not maturely dating, yeah. So, I don't know, they said for men, I said be mature, it begins at 30, I don't know, but we'll see, we'll see when we get there. But also when you look at that mindset of such a young man, they still need a lot, they still need to be given, they still need to be shown how to look for it, they still need to be supported, but it's not happening. I don't know if you've had friends and stories of, you know, a comrade might say, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know if it's a family or not, but it's not your own doing. It just happened and there's nothing you can do. Yeah. What I can say is, a father should know their kid very well. You see, there's someone, when you leave them out here, they'll actually know how to handle themselves, like they'll actually look even for a job to sustain themselves, but there's someone, when you leave them out there by themselves, they won't even, they don't know how even to manage their finances. So, actually the father should actually know their kids, and actually, a father should not leave their kids out here, because in university, kids out here actually struggle. You'll find someone who just takes lunch and he'll love to go another day so that he can take their lunch again. It's just lunch, lunch, lunch. So what could be happening between that and that? Either they offend, or the dad doesn't like them, and also if you want to, maybe if you were to delve deeper into this issue and see where it's festering, you need to know what will happen between you and your dad. Because you're not 30. You know, when you're a man and you're 30 and you're still crying, at least they'll give you a side eye, burn eye, I mean, 30, bruh, 30, I'm not cooking, I'm just working. But you're just 21, you're a baby. So for me, what I can say first, these two issues here, one can be the kid, because you see, when you're living alone, you're actually given money to sustain you for a whole month. You're given money to sustain you for a whole month. And if you don't know how to manage those finances, then it means they'll be problems, they'll be problems. Then the second issue can actually be your dad. Your dad basically can tell you, now you're grown up, you need to look for a job also to sustain you. But you see the problem is, when you're told that way, at least you can even have your talk, a talk with your dad, and let's say, you don't know how to find even that job, ETC. So those are the two issues that may arise in that scenario. Right, okay, good. We have asked you a question in Parley's social media platforms, come it and that was a kid to me, connections that goes in my cook's idea, and this guys have given us good examples of what it means to have or to not have and the importance of it as well. On the responses, Theresa Noni, I believe, yes, Noni, and I say, good morning, good morning to you. Eric Mayn and I say, morning's Kirinyaga were represented, but there they just banned bars from Kirinyaga by governor, white guru. I saw the update, so sorry, what when you're not pick up, pick a share and a pump it too bad. Luis Ebilori, Ebilori, okay. I'ma say, I'ma talk a busier, I'ma go on Kondani, shout out to you. Luis Mollie, good morning, good morning. Ali Baba, Kosgay Ezra, I'ma say, Moist Bridge, ex-Galan well represented, I believe maybe that's where you work. All right, next, Charlie Charles, I'ma say, I'ma representing County 019, Yerry County, Calamity Valley look beautiful, Sana definitely she's got in it. Abraham Lukorito, right, I'ma say, I'ma watching from Karatina, thank you so much. Carlton, Japanese, Abdul Sutro, Abra, so, Iojin and Nicobosana, Nikondani, Kama Kauide, Nikio Oryan, Ken Dubay, I'm watching live from outer 40 Jesus busier, wow, that's a street, Anajita Rebashir Were Wabusier. So, Sana Rebashir to my partner, thank you so much for watching. Now, as we exit guys, I want to give you a 30 seconds parting shot, don't exit more than 30. What should young people do to ensure that they hack it in life? In a generation where there's TikTok, Facebook, X and the rest, in fact, there's more coming, there's more, AI is here, the likes of ChartGPT and the rest, what should they do in 30 seconds for them to succeed, still or first? So, to end, there's someone I know, a very good speaker called Walubango. No, Oreta Walubango. Yeah, and actually I listened to him and he said, when he was young, he wanted to be like a good speaker. So, he listed down at least five speakers who he wants to look upon. And actually, he ensured before he reaches around 20 years, he meets all the speakers. So, what I can say is people out here should know how to socialize and network and actually it will bring impact in their life. Call it. Thank you so much for hosting me, Sarko. My parting shot is that young people should actually first look for their tribe, look for a group where they can interact and get friends and finally they should be very willing to network outside by looking for mentors and so on and so on. And finally, just to the comrades at the University of Nairobi, we have so much work to do through Tim Mugo. We're looking at improving student welfare, bringing in student-driven projects and partnerships and also looking to revamp infrastructure in the university and that can be done through my team, Colin Smugo. All right, you have social? Moja too. Moja. Yes, Twitter, which is at Colin Smugo with the single L. At Colin Smugo, the Collins with the single L. All right, you can follow, all right? Instagram, we recall King 74. All right, so you guys know how to find them and access them and give them feedback on how they performed right here on today's conversation. But you guys, Karibusana, you guys are a vibe, I liked everything. 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