 Thank you for staying with us. You're still watching the breakfast on plus TV Africa Well right now is time for our next hot topic and we're talking about Professor Walei showing her questioning the Nigerian government's failure to Prosecute Deborah Samuels keelers joining us this morning to have a conversation about this is James E bar Good morning, sir. Thank you for joining us. He's a secretary and administration of criminal justice Monitoring committee cross river states. Good morning Thank you for having me once again, okay? So I love the fact that you know, you are in the administration of criminal justice So I'm sure you're going to shed more light into this Professor Walei showing her at the 50th anniversary of the punch newspaper You know said a lot of things and one of the the conversations he had was about the fact that Over two years Deborah Samuels keelers and nobody has been brought to justice. So everybody who was involved in that You know having to you know, just lynch her because of some alleged blasphemy is still walking free in Nigeria What do you think about this and the fact that he's coming out? It's you know attacking not really attacking the government but questioning them and asking why nobody has been brought to book Yes, I want to use this opportunity for to command them I For being consistent And in reminding state actors about their responsibility Remember the business of government government is basically to protect lives and property and the life of Deborah Samuels Was taken without any justification by non-state actors who ought to have been persecuted Unfortunately The state actors who are mandated by law to keep our life to protect us and punish offenders to deter orders from doing similar things Have failed and I'm happy a relation in car, you know Has reminded them once a this is not the first time he's reminding state actors the government they need to Bring to book those who modern Deborah Samuels This is not a first time he has been very consistent almost every year. This is the second year Reminding the government and look justice has to be said. It's unfortunate. We have a government That Politicizes everything, you know, this is the life of a young woman Who that was taken without any justification? for a reason that One will say In the 21st century is very absurd But what is the word you're looking for but Barrett? Yes, why should be in the 21st century? more than somebody for So-called blasphemy and Assuming that the justification to even put a good heart The young men and women should not have taken lost into their hands This shows you how the system has failed the people we have And our systems are very weak. I remember when it happened There was this show of some arrest being made people are rained and the money. It was just it was a But I think Yes, I think it was just done to Maybe come Not not come the come the south Those who were protesting that justice should be served and thereafter they actually helped them escape justice So the state government in canoe the Nigerian police force is complicit Okay, so why do you think that justice hasn't been served this is two years 24 months or more Modern and nobody nobody has been convicted Yes, somebody they are not denying the fact that the border was modern. You we all watch the videos Yeah, horrible. I don't know how they have the families coping coping without trauma And every person who knew her How do you mean the Christian community is also coping with that? What was her crime? So justice has not been served So why is it taking so long? That's my question Why is it taking so long for justice to be served a section of this country? Because a section of this country believe that they are God is superior than our constitutional That is the reason if you go to the north. This is not the first thing. This will not be the last a Lot of Christians or non-christians or even a taste have been killed extra judiciary Or even put in jail by state actors For expressing their rights as guaranteed in the constitution Most times they manipulate the provisions of the penal code to suit their purpose Okay, so where do we go from here because we can say this okay, some people say Their religion is higher You have the cases of Sharia law in the north but For things like this the the acts in itself is barbaric and you would expect a government to do something about it You cannot tell me that a religion is higher than you know the rules and regulation that governs is a nation The laws the constitution of the federal republic should be supreme And so if there's some form of barbaric illegal act that happens where someone is being killed because at the end of the day in Nigeria the government should protect the lives and properties of the nation right of people of the citizens So you're supposed to protect, you know, you know how they say The a person is is a property of the state So now someone has taken that property away from you unlawfully shouldn't they be doing something about this? Why is you know, why are these people still roving around the the the city freely? Why is the government not doing anything or rising up? Does he have to take someone like professor? Well, they showing I reminded them consistently before something is being done And like you said this was he reminded them last year This is another year with the same form of consistency and nothing is being done So at what point do we you know get to see that these people will be brought to books I think the government like the political wheel we Government will look at the the mood of the people within that area and They decide whether to take action or not take action Government government themselves do not respect the laws of the land So they pick and choose what to do when to act and when not to act Which is a shame It's a shame because our constitution the constitution of Nigeria is a brown norm and chapter 4 clearly One of the basic fundamental rights of the human person is the right to life. This life has been taken in a manner That is against the law So why is it taking people reminding them of their responsibility? So I want to use opportunity to call on the president with the commander in chief To be decisive in protecting life and property because these are the things that if they are if they if it continues on a beta it can cost Religious riot because the fact that the Christians in the so-called that of the minority does not mean you should destroy them It means where you have Christians at the majority. They will also want to exterminate the Muslims in the amnesty So there must be a deliberate action to protect minorities in our communities both Christians in the north Where most names are dominate dominating and most names in the south where Christians are dominating It is in the north and in the south Because they are of the minority So there must be a deliberate government action to protect minority groups and set in our communities Okay, so at this point I want to also use the opportunity to call on To talk about the issue of Mubarak. Mubarak was also arrested and for two two years Nobody heard about him. He was he was fully arraigned two years After his arrest on the issue of also blasphemy So there's double standard They the Muslims are Muslim brothers should also realize That look it is important to protect the minority groups in their community right So how do we move forward as a nation especially with the fact that you know things like this happen and the government is not Swinging into action Do we need some civil? civic responsibility societies or You know people to actually come out to speak about this But I know that Professor Waleh Sherinka is you know a highly respected man in this society So at this point, what do we do? I think like I said the Christians communities or minority group generally should begin to organize and stop agonizing like Innocent you come out we say We should start organizing Dream dream campaign and politicking how do we assert ourselves? How do we get the politicians the political elites to protect us in our communities? So we have to start organizing to assert ourselves until we feel safe in our own country They genocide the xenophobia of minority group atheist All of in the in the country Christians in the north and Muslims in the south All life matter and it is government's responsibility to keep us safe So members of the house or assembly so-called to it is their responsibility to call out the government It is the responsibility of national assembly members to call out remember devour us somewhere. I could be a constituent Yeah And every government has every government at every level in Nigeria has a responsibility to keep us safe or bring the killers to justice So this is another opportunity and I want to time plus TV for escalating it We have to keep the conversation on Onti justice is served. Yeah, we do we definitely do I was gonna ask so about the House of Representatives. Do you think there should be some? Laws or bills that should be passed against this because you see this happen Almost everywhere for instance, someone is right now. He's having a case of blasphemy, but you go to the markets Maybe someone steals a little cube of Seasoning and the person is being lynched you see this happened the jungle justice happened all the time and This is not the first time like you said it will not be the last four years This kind of evil has been perpetuated in our society. How do we get to curb this menace? This is a reflection of the weak institutions We have our justice system for instance, let's let's focus on the police. Yeah, the police is poorly funded poorly equipped their capacity is so low that they cannot Detect crime respond to Emergencies they cannot their training is poor They are taking place very poor the equipment. Let me tell you to be very frank The police are set up to get The police and the Nigerian military has set up to talk it across the nation and yet we We have in secret is everywhere. They've set up to get a starting Motorist Police officers how much are they paid with the inflation we have in this country? They are take home pay cannot buy a half bag of rice You saw the videos when customs were given a 10,000 era worth of rice and you see soldiers and police officers crumbling For just half bag of pep of rice. Yes, that shows you the situation in this country All their uniforms most of them they in fact 90 percent of police officers by their kids They buy their uniforms They buy everything they use to walk Where did they get the money? We give police vehicles. We don't care how those vehicles are service We don't care how the vehicles are they go ahead and ask citizens to feel they are very close for them Exactly If you are arrested if you report a case to the police you are expected to find the investigation That is against the evidence act Citizens are expected to phone criminal investigation and even criminal prosecution That is very unfortunate and that is a country Set up to fail I have always said that the police is at the center of every nation's civilization. You get it right with the police You have solved Seventy percent of the Nigerian problem. We have to get it right with the police How are we funding the police? How are we budgeting for the police? Can we ask the police? What is the cost of Investigation in 2023 so we can estimate what their 2024 budget will look like when their budget is made What about releases? Yeah, well, I just hope that Deboras killers will be brought to books and we're always clamoring for justice in Nigeria. We want this The Inspector General of Police have to respond to the comment which was made. Yes, it is his responsibility He should come out to tell us that Mr. President is not willing to prosecute the killers Well, that's not even what we want. We want a situation whereby The killers will be prosecuted. We want a justice for Deboras Samuel Yakugo Anyways, we want to say thank you for joining us and coming to shed light on this conversation Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. We've been speaking with James E. Barr. He's a secretary Administration of criminal justice monitoring committee cross river states and we've just been talking about the statement Wallachia we can meet at the 50th anniversary of the punch newspaper Well where he was questioning the Nigerian government Nigerian government's failure to prosecute Deboras Samuel Yakugo's killers Anyways, this is the size of our show. This is where we have to wrap it up It's been a great week having a breakfast with you. Thank you for having breakfast with me And I'll see you again on Monday. My name is Rume Paul Singh. Have an amazing weekend