 Thank you for staying with us. It's time now to look at our hot topic for this morning And we'll be talking about the fact that CBN has sucked boards of union Titan and kiss or keystone and Polaris banks this morning And we're being joined by comrade mark a day by your spokesperson coalition of united political parties Good morning and welcome to the program back Good morning. Thanks so much for having me. Good morning. We asked, okay now Union Titan keystone Polaris Bank Chips have been sucked. We do know that the ministries have some ministers have more than a hundred and something Accounts and it cannot be all in union Titan keystone Polaris Bank That the chiefs have been sucked, but that's not the issue. The issue is what is your? Your your concern in all this issue We've heard that they are being sucked because of the corruption that is being investigated in some of these ministries What is your take? Okay, thank you so much all of us know that The major Abarthos The Nigeria has been battling with since after independence in 1960 since after flag independence. I mean almost had Since 1960 has been leadership failure and corruption and these two are lying because it is literally failure that Details into corruption among us corruption that we have been written in this country And everywhere for as long as corruption continues To be part and parcel of our socio-political assistance as a country For so long would there be underdevelopment with backwardness, retrogression insecurity unemployment, hunger and anger in the land And the kind of humongous corruption that have been on earth by the g morbacy committee Investigative committee It is so saddening. We know that there's corruption in Nigeria, but this one is unprecedented You know unprecedented and it is because of part of the leadership failure syndrome of the warrior administration It is only a worry a lack a lackluster like a desical president like warrior that will allow a city a city cba governing Who has become so confident in the world he has amassed allegedly illegally That he even attempted to contest for the presidency of this country It has never happened in this country But within 24 hours a proactive president will have removed such a cbm governor And you know as to why this action is coming now I think Is a good step in the good direction Nigeria's will you call that the report and the reports have been submitted since October some November last year And I believe the presidency was going through it and then they are not taking the next reaction about it because if you look at the Bands and order financial institutions at 2020 It encapsulates every Thing that bands are supposed to be doing in terms of following the due process in terms of corporate governance Uncontrollability processes that they are supposed to be going through and now when the special investigator came out With these damnly reports of a sitting cb governor buying bands and we are even Reading in the report that there is no evidence of paying of payment for those banks So it is necessary for the government to take inertia actions immediately to Some remedial actions So that I will be confident in the banking system of Nigeria because Now if you see that the zibian was if in their reviews last night Was saying that oh people should not go into panic withdrawals and the rest of that There must there is a need another need to rebuild to refuse confidence back to the banking system because many Nigerians You will see that some things are happening as well as in the time of those Ninary design And cashless situation Treasury that happened to Nigerians people Have lost enormous confidence in the banking system of Nigeria. There must be a there's a need another need to immediately Begin to infuse the you know confidence the public confidence back into the system I'm not even talking about Nigerians now locally. I'm not talking about international business concerns Locally that we should have confidence many people now have lost confidence in our banking system You know the abs are not working as they should work. There are disappointment Transactions and this of that those are the things that are germane to the regular Nigerian that must be addressed That must be redressed and must be tackled and resolved With immediate effect the government must show some kind of Proactivness in in the area of making sure that we drive Corruption out of our banking system will drive inefficiency and underhandiness out of our banking system otherwise Even locally the people themselves will lose total confidence in our banking system And it will not be good for the economy for the economy Okay, so you talked about proactiveness and you know trying to drive corruption away Now I I presumed that there are agencies that kind of work with these banks to ensure that they are on the right track So one of the reasons why they actually Took out the board of directors. Well, they said regulatory Non-compliance corporate governance failure. They were involving activities that threaten financial stability So shouldn't there be agencies that are working hand in hand with the government and these banks to ensure that they are on the right track Isn't that the best way of you know moving corruption away? Well, that is part of the collateral tragedy of the Nigerian state There are institutions set up to monitor to implement to take actions on some of these things You know as a matter of fact to prevent them from from happening Crime is best fought when it is prevented. But some of these institutions are also complicit In the corruption enterprises that run Across this country across government agencies They are aware once they are put an uncle said to the keep quiet and in some other Disturbing scenarios, you will see that these safe agencies these financial regulatory agencies will write reports submit reports to the necessary Officials and officers and you know people in government To take action do not take action Do not take action because they must submit a report financially action by the necessary regulatory agencies when those regulatory agencies refuse to take action then The correction continues the looting continues So that is the problem. That is one of the problems that we have and in this situation The major regulatory agency for commercial commercial bank banks in Nigeria. It is CBM itself. But when you have A leader the governor of central bank that is supposed to superintend The activities of these banks That is now the one committing these atrocities. It becomes challenging for other agencies to To act but An intercontinental agency like the FCC like the icpc Is not in combat To take action in some of these in some of these situations They ought to have moved in on the governor of central bank even before he was removed You know, they try to do it. But the man used the Court system to frustrate their efforts at that time. I'm not excusing them because they did not do well If they have been doing well, if they have been shouting and we have acting and rest of that We will not get to this place. We are talking about three millions of Naira by an individual Includes some of these monies that were trapped abroad now that they will If we take a long process before it is it is recovered. We are still on the issue of recovering abatial goods up to now So, you know, there is no political will from the presidency down To be able to fight. I only hope that this one is not a fire brigade approach that It will be targeted targeted actions and then before you know it everything goes down No, we shouldn't be like that. It must have a systemic consistency of anti-corruption You know Fight it's not it's not one that we do just do it like we like a fire brigade approach In a typical fire brigade approach and then everybody goes back to to business as usual Not be like that and seriously hope so Yeah, do you have specific recommendations? To be made to make this thing sustainable So make it consistent and sustainable because like you said, if it's a fire brigade approach and in a few days We forget about it. That will not do well because it seems as if when that happens Corruption goes restrategized comes back in full force. We with an army So what are the measures you think should be done or should be put in place to make sure this kind of fight The the heat that is being generated now is sustainable Well, thank you so much. You see this environment particularly President Bolatino Needs to act in a way to prove his critics wrong But make sure The anti-corruption Movement, I don't see it as a fight or war for now. There's no anti-corruption war if it was a war Many heirs will have ruled by now because corruption Has permeated Percolated through the whole government system of this country You see look if we have to take it holistically if you are looking for a government that will fight corruption on a sustainable basis You're going to need a leader with revolutionary mindset Because Nigeria, Tanuloga afford systemic methodical development or advancement again in every sector Of of governance system. We need quantum leap now. We need quantum leap Nigeria is in a hurry For you to get back on track to of development of advancement Of of probably you know indigenous technological takeoff and economic sanctity and political Hello To be able to take us to the promised land We need a leader with a combination of the sensibilities of the one you let's say Mandela and Thomas Ankara But you know, we need the philosophical depth of a Mandela. We need the proactive sensibility of the one you We need the revolutionary mindset of a Thomas Ankara We need this to be compiled in one person for us to get to the promised land for now Looking at the political farmament of Nigeria today including all those people who participated in 233 year elections some of them who are you know, pretending to be to be older than now I'm here to see that kind of leader and we we need you know, everything boils down to leadership My brother and sister every boy everything boils down to leadership If the leader if the president system today that no more corruption and he lives by a sample he lives by a sample No One of the major problems we have we have been happy in Nigeria Is a fact that we do not we have not been able to we have not been lucky to have an exemplary leadership that Leads by sample not by talk not that I will do I will do I will do Nigeria has been living on promissory notes from that visit today and we need to change that that trajectory We need a revolutionary mindset leader who We we offer what? Normal leadership we cover in 20 years we cover it one year That's it. We need productivity. We need revolutionary mindset leadership that you'll be able to aggregate the total the total armada Of Nigeria challenges and live by example and make sure there's no profligacy in government You know, we cannot be we cannot be borrowing money And wasting it on luxury. We cannot be borrowing money to sustain economy This is an economy that is over 3.5 inflation rate and it is growing at the rate of about 3.1 Every quarter that is too much. We need to find a way to bring down the inflation rate We need to find a way to strengthen the economy We need to find a way to push out to run out corruption from our bodies from our body system as a country We cannot afford to continue on the same way And expect us to get to promised land of advancement of development, you know Who who used to go to Dubai 30 years ago 30 years ago? We used to go to to to the united Arab Emirates. It's not the same place that has become a mecca of suffer globally that become a global home of not only of tourism, but of business But of also of artificial intelligence technology and all manner of innovations I want to watch in my country. I want that kind of leader in my country Forget about politics or opposition of people in Gopay. It's not about that It is about our patriotic engagement with a country that needs to work for all of us It is not about opposition. It is not about the government is not Everybody in this country today knows that From May 29th that the president Simultaneously remove the subsidy Many people have been suffering in this country. There is mass hunger and there is anger Hopefully it will positively boil over to the level that we demand accountability from our The people who in government, you know, and it is the responsibility of all of us to make sure that we get it right Because when people say political we don't have political class in this country political clique There are people where there's people in power. There's people in government. Those are the political cliques All of us you journalists activists and everybody we are all members of the political class But we are not members of the political clique We are not in decision making organs of government the people that are Taking decisions that affect you and me and directions on bond and the people that must be born again And make sure they are doing things right for this country. They must learn from history. If you don't learn from history We'll tell you something Okay, so you talked about leadership, right? But what are key strategies to be able to drive out corruption because we know corruption as eating deep into our system Almost everywhere you go to Someone is corrupt. If you go to the civil service, someone is corrupt If you go to the banks, for instance, we're talking about the banks. Someone is corrupt. You're seeing people Buying money for their pos business. Meanwhile, a common person like me I would go to the bank and they would tell me there is no cash Or maybe all I can withdraw is about 10 to 20 000 error But you're seeing this bulk of money being given to people who do Who change money in parties When they need to spray mean to note. So you see corruption here as well You see corruption in different levels from the government officials everywhere to the police How do we start to have those checks and balances for us to be able to drive corruption out? You've talked about leadership and you're saying it has to start from the top You cannot just talk the talk. You have to, you know, work the work as well So now we've established the fact that leadership is quite important So even from the president to the chief of staff to the vice president Everybody that is in a leadership position should try as much as possible to, you know eradicate corruption But we need key strategies that people can take and I can check myself. I can check the next person I can check him goal if it's being corrupt and say, okay We're doing this check and balances to ensure that we're driving corruption out and just eradicate it totally Yeah, you see, uh, you see most uh failing families in our society The blue The purpose is on the leader of the house demand Demand because if you mismanage your family, the home is cut out Now if you are a new responsible father and new responsible husband You do you can't expect to raise irresponsible children The same way try to see all the country organizations that have failed Everything boiled down to leadership. You see we cannot have forced tokenism In this in this country again, it's not about you as an individual. It's not about me as much as it's our responsibility That changed this change or whatever we want to do to start with you and me. It's also we need to look at The society tends to look at the leadership Society tends to follow the leadership society tends to to to learn from leadership So try to tends to to copy leadership steps So Even the folk are the body languages of the leader Is right You know, we are ever it goes to people go. That is what happens. So that is why I said our You know, it's not all strategies. It is the set the set the first strategies to get our leadership equipment right in this country by a way of Detting the people we have not been able to be lucky to have empathetic leaders in this country With charity of Nigeria show me one one from a president show me one from a government in this country that Has not amassed more than the normal Salaries and allowances that they have got the properties they have amassed the for the humongous financial, you know Enablement that they have given to themselves and rest of that. Why are people so desperate to go into into governance? It is because there's an open commission look at what is happening now One ministry just one ministry One ministry see what is happening billions of naira wasted Fritter the way and then We are we are Only god knows that they begin to look at other ministers. You don't know what has happened there Maybe this one's they do not play their game, you know, maybe they're not smart enough As much as if you look at the old processes, you see that the People involved are not so smart at all. So they just I mean how can somebody say I am plus also thousands of naira for you to fly from abudia to kogi A kogi that has no These ones are not smart groups Now that one probably would be Scapegoated we made a scapegoat and maybe all that maybe but I do not see people other people sitting down Sitting sitting tight and say, oh I don't want to be involved until we have that mentality Of fear that no I must not put my heart in what belongs to the Nigerian people We have to use it for their benefit until we have that fear of God until we have that empathy as human beings That's a total disconnect between the Nigerian leadership and the Nigerian people and that is why You will see that in the midst of hunger You will you will see uh a first lady who see All people And then you hear them spray purple if I'm a million or one billionaire on on food alone one night I mean and then we are hearing that There's a pooper of three percent a billion to buy new weapons was the president or two something billion to buy A yacht that's even a yacht as well This type of economy you do that kind of thing. It is not in this type of economy So it is also a corruption where you spend add and money on luxury and let me tell you like the european people We say it is only a fool that borrows money to bury a prostitute for the burial ceremonies of a prostitute And when you take add and money borrowed money Nigeria is heavily indebted to the tune of trillions both locally and internationally and then you get such money Are you wasting it on luxury? It is equivalent to it is helping to borrowing money to bury a prostitute It's not your wife. Oh, it's a public public liability company for everybody So you know what went went to to get indebted to bury a prostitute That is what is that amount to where we are getting money. Look, Nigeria's needs Look at the palliative that they are promised that doesn't come I am looking forward to a day that the president we are now that the palliative for all the Students in the higher institution for instance, give them the kind of moratorium sale No student we pay tuition for the next three years. That is direct palliative Every body with plastic everybody we appreciate that every parent people who are four or five Kids in the higher institution. Oh, it's not tea party. It is not tea party You have to show go to pay for the tuition for the accommodation for the transportation for the feeding Actually the ones that are ladies, you know, you you are spent five times the amount you spend on the boy on the girl You know So that is it you have to invest in your future. You have to invest in your present We don't want them to become part of the wasted generation That is why every parent must play their part So because it is the failure from home that also gets into the society and gets into governance Because we are full responsible men who we don't want to be our children without caring about their feeding their Their welfare their education their future their president. Okay and some Pardon me, but I'm some I don't know retarded women. We sit with you in such marriages and It is that it is the failure at all that leads to the failure in both way We need to have a system that holds our leaders Including as of corporate agencies Government agencies are accountable. That must be transparent That's pretty financial Regiment that is that makes it possible for Nigeria to track the expenses of government That is one certainty that you work for us. I want to be able to know for the for instance federal In-law revenue service. What what came in last week? Well, how are you? Are you dispensing it that we are hearing that some government agencies We we we earn money And do not pay to government into into government covers That is outtrack robbery outtrack robbery. You understand so we Nigeria needs a total Total rehabilitation We've had an NNPC that did not remit any money to The federation account for years even though now they're posting some some profits and all that But they've been said that even the world back and said they are not transparent They're they're not they're not even they were not even producing anything But they were taking a chunk of our budget. We've had a jacota steel mill that has not Worked for 40 or more years and all that But now the issue is it's like the chicken and the the egg which one comes first You've just made a statement that it is what is obtainable in the family that Comes to the leadership position Later on in life. So when we start this orientation On the Nigerian psyche as it were where do we begin? Do we begin in the home because even in the home now we are seeing parents buying laptops for their children to do Yahoo Because everybody just wants their children to blow no matter what we've seen we've seen different role models Different from what we used to have in those days where your parents will be pointing you at some people who are useful people in the society Just want you to make money and all that you get into politics and everybody is expecting you to steal Otherwise, you're not a good politician because it's they're not concerned about the loss that you should make for them Or the policies that should come so that their lives will be better They're just concerned about the fact that at Christmas we share rice and yes, but a lot has done it for me So Where do we start this orientation from because we need to have this nigerian dream this nigerian project shown For our country maybe in the next 20 years 50 years and all that but where do we start the orientation from? You see one of the things that baffles me is that um you know nigeria we I want to be able to take your question in a holistic manner Okay We go abroad 100 billion dollars But at home You have a single individual Who has 2600 billion niger? The former captain general of the federation if you remember Now the case is still on Typical nigeria I think why the case was still going on. I think the man was giving the city a city title in Kano also You know, and then he's seen in court You know defending a correction case. That's the kind looks like look at that look at that kind of insult to the sensitivity of nigerians You know, that's why I said you see hopefully Hopefully because the only way we can fix these things if you fix our leadership Hopefully god will help us to get somebody to that answer up Who we have the fear of god who have the patriotic buffer to be able to re-engineer this country We need somebody we need a social engineer who will totally re-engineer this country socially economically politically culturally in every morally in every area somebody who really has a purpose not just to become president but to become a good president to run to run the country where We will need somebody who will come Who will come and create a revolution in our man's mindset Nigeria's are hard-working. You cannot accuse us of being lazy Nigerians are extremely hard-working. Extremely hard-working. By 3.30 a.m. you see people on the road, you know, you call for In uh, for just open your pot and say that oh, we are greeting people in our in our organization You need five people. You are going to see you're going to get five billion graduates They will trope, they will follow your Your office looking for work. Nigerians want to work, but they don't have the tool to work with You don't have a system that guarantees provision You know provision of uh, of employment, you know, you're unemployed So many unemployed graduates, of course, unfortunately, there are also unemployed graduates too because I've Interviewed a couple and uh, you begin to wonder what's happening. What's happening to our academic education and system? But of course we are beginning to stuff out what is happening to our And by all this effect the grease fake schools fake for resources all over the place. So what do you expect? So the number one thing is for us as a people to target the leadership hopefully In 2027 hopefully that would be a kind of a movement That we able to identify In the Likwanyu of Nigeria, the main theme and the outlaw of Nigeria Are Captain Tomos Ankara of Nigeria Who would be able to, oh, which are somebody like a Mogalu Mogalu had succeeded In changing the The trajectory of things if you have succeeded in winning governance, I don't believe we'll be in the state and we are Somebody like Professor Mogalu especially, you know, somebody like Chubure Somebody like Bayou Adewale of the STP These are the people go and read their manifestos, go and read their history, go and see how they made their money Go and see how they gave the state order they have today So these are not these are not a money mis-rolled overnight Billionaires of billionaires. These are people that you can track out the the roads to the level that they are today You can see that they don't have any more of a gig These are the people these are the kind of people that we want in this in this country that we are able To change the way the dimension of things that the way we are going We cannot continue like this and hope to get to the promised land We cannot continue like this and hope to have a society that you and me can be proud of And we need to get it right. We need to get it right. And like I said, we don't have the luxury of time For my Tony Cass systemic something that we want to do something today It may be painful now, but it will be comfortable tomorrow. No, no, no, no, that doesn't work They told us that austerity measure will work in the 80s. It did not work People are suffering during the austerity post austerity versus suffering later the broadly social So you are suffering now you are doing later we didn't we really enjoy anything later All manner of things this one that they have said subsidy removal is a pain today that we Give us comfort tomorrow. I don't have any hope on that. So we don't want a situation We have the renew hope agenda of the president will be a crash hope for all of us as a people we need To change the president has been saying and advocating for a change of mindset If you start from as well, if you start with him change of mindset let him Let us see him sitting up and saying look Yeah, he has caught he has caught some things that he's caught in his cutting Convoy is cutting people are traveling out and find that we need More of that we need more of that. We need examples and we need for this anti-corruption movement It is he's going to be a movement From a drive to a movement We want you to graduate from this drive to a movement and to proactive actions All over all over the place We need openness in the fact against corruption and we need a sample We need people to live a sample we need governance to live by example We need we need the president to lead let him lead us let him lead us Let him prove his criticism wrong that is able to run this country Not only officially and effectively, but also with transparency. Yeah and integrity Okay, well, um, we do hope that our Nigeria of the Nigeria of our dreams will come in our lifetime. That's all we're saying In the media and especially in plus TV. We'll continue to see what we feel is going Well or going wrong in Nigeria. So everybody like you have said the station of the TV Africa has been One of the emerging powerhouse of public interest programs and professionalism Thank you guys are doing tremendously well. Thank you. I would not be surprised in the next one two years that you guys Like the soon Nigeria if you blow Thank you so much. We are doing very well. Thank you. Thank you very much Thank you come with mark adiba for coming on our show this morning. It's a pleasure. It's been a pleasure having you join us Thank you so much Okay, we've been talking with come with mark adiba your spokesperson coalition of united political parties And we were looking at the fact that the cbn has sacked the boards of union Titan case stone and Polaris banks In its bid to fight corruption and we do hope that these things will continue And we will see a positive change in Nigeria apart from the positive change We hope that there will be food on our tables as well. So that we we feed well That's the fundamental thing you feed well, then you have way to sleep To sleep and you have clothes on your back That's the bed the bedrock of everything that we are looking for Nigeria. You know how it's not that It's not that I mean, I think that if our leaders want to lead us well Lead us right and I feel like I'm highlighting this song here But they can They they can actually do it. It's just making up their minds and saying I'm going there to ensure that I do a good job And excellent work and everything is for the growth of Nigeria and what our guest said I mean, I have to write a lot. I mean, it talked about proactive action openness and transparency leadership Transparent financial regimen. We don't have that in Nigeria We don't and you know, those are the things that we need to start to do for us to see a better Nigeria because we can only say Oh, we are hoping we're hoping I think one of our guests said last thing I was like, oh, is the same prayer that we keep praying over and over again We're hoping for a better Nigeria But until we start to put you know those actions in place until we start to do the right theme We can never get there and I'm hoping that you know, everybody is just pulling their weights And you know putting in their quota to ensuring that we have a better Nigeria Before now it used to be the the quote used to be that a good name is better than wealth I don't know how many people would even think about that now. They will ask you now. Good name Well, when we all begin to think about legacy We're the way we are right now because we don't think about legacy We don't think about what name we're going to leave because at the end of the day No matter what you do if your name is soiled it's soiled and that's the only thing we remember about you Yeah, even even if you build hospitals in every house If you have a bad name, they will still they will still that's what they'll remember Is it not our money he used Maybe he had an agenda. He was taking blood from the hospital And just have a good name. That's what posterity remembers you by And that that is what would make our society great We don't hope that it will start with you because I know it has started with me I do the good thing I can do. Yeah in your only two corner Yeah, so we thank you for being a part of our show this morning. Let's do it again tomorrow My name is Nyamgun Lagaji. My name is Rume Foulson. Have a good day